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- Zack and Biggs talk about how they are still alive in Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
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Zack survives in reality 2 because of what OG Aerith did back at the end of Remake using her whispers to protect Zack and left behind a white feather as a hint that it's her.
Thought it was Angeal's feather
That's probably right considering what I seen from the snidbit of screen rant ending explained,
Don't read more if you don't want to see what that said,
Okay so they pretty much explained it as it being two different timelines one with Zack and Aerith are aliveand the other time line the party is alive,
So that lends Credence to your comment because it makes a lot of sense combining what your comment says with that note from screen rant it kind of puts the pieces together.
Yea the retcon ghosts doing God's work for more story
@@fumeking701what if Angeal became a white whisper? Much like those clones from Advent Children? 👀
@@fumeking701 it can be both
Zack repeating Angeal's words, 🥲
Biggs: Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
Zack... is the type of person who knows his life isn't going to be as life fulfilling as the Husband with the Wife and Kids... yet he smiles on and fights through what life throws at him. It makes you realize how precious every moment of your life is, that if you let the pressure beat you down, you're gonna miss out on the Happiness that's right in front of you, Family Oriented or Not.
Was really hoping Zack would form a team with the characters left behind, and just...dunno investigate those empty mako plants or cross blades with deep ground
That trick was pulled from FF2. All the dead party members team up in the after life for one last quest before the game is over.
YES! I kept expecting Weiss and Nero to appear, especially after the Intermission DLC, but I guess they're saving them for the third game.
Yup I thought he would team up with Leslie, Kyrie and they would introduce the characters from The Kids are alright.
I have a theory about why Zack and Biggs are still "alive". The truth is... They're not. The way Biggs describes his soul being sucked out of him implies that they're very much dead, and are in the Lifestream itself.
18:10-18:31
The end of the video adds potential proof to this theory.
@@ajcsorny5709 the thing is, i would believe this if the game doesnt go out of its way to show the bullets heading for zack being diverted away by the whispers during his last stand.
How could he be dead when the thing that should make him dead is shown outright to be avoided by the white whispers act?
This is the same way as we see barret being healed by the whispers in remake, they are directly altering scenarios.
I belive Aerith just created different "Realities" for both of them. They might be absent in the main "Reality", but they are not dead, just transferred. Would also explain how Biggs knew Cloud. The different "Realitites" itself might be made out of Lifestream, but Specific people there are not. Sadly, Biggs didn't make it out of the "Lifestream-Reality", but Zack made it back to the Real World, thanks to Aerith.
It's even more weird because Marlene is there and alive.
Either way I don't know why they had to make a simple story convoluted, just make a brand new story imo.
"Final fantasy 7 the alternative story" people will buy regardless just to see new outcomes and their favorites characters with possible better outcomes.
That doesn't make sense considering Cloud literally goes to his "reality" and Marlene is there but not dead.
Biggs is the confusing part, because he remembers stuff from the other timeline that he shouldnt
Initially, I didn't like Caleb's performance as Zack in Remake but after Crisis Core Reunion and his scenes in Rebirth, he's definitely gotten better.
I never played og crisis core myself, but yeah I grew to calebs performance as well.
I remember going to his instagram around the release of Crisis Core and he got harassed so much about it.
I then went to DM him to say that I liked his performance, but when I clicked sent the messaged failed to deliver.
Turns out he deactivated his IG a few seconds before I sent the message. Hope people are less harsh on him now
Think that's because reunion took the script of the OG Crisis Core word for word. Meaning comparisons are going to be way easier to make its all but inevitable.
@@FazFaz I'm not a particular fan of Final Fantasy 7. But, as a STAR WARS fan and seeing what it did to Ahmed Best, there are times I feel guilty about how toxic my own fan community is.
8:00 Tetsuya Nomura games be like:
bunch of nonsense
those things were literally in books written by Nojima in the early 2000s same as the black and white whispers. one was called livestream black and livestream white. There was also a novel from which Kyrie came from also written by Nojima. Don't put everything on Nomura just bc you hate KH.
head ache
Nomura and nojima mind are equally fxcked
@@sabrinas.79Every time people blame Nomura for the remakes' story an angel loses its wings.
They’re really hearing out their fans… they continue on with the original plot, but chose what to go back to. One being they never left Midgar… this leads to the original game being their catalyst to what may be the happy ending *most* people wanted
This is the opposite if. what FF7 want. Do you think this is KH?
@@jiraiya0698do us a favor and shut up
@@jiraiya0698wrong
@@jiraiya0698 much like FF6, the ending was left to your own interpretation. I remember being pissed at the original ending as a kid- it’s nice that they’re changing that up for the long-time fans without straying too far from the old plot as well as a subtle nod to Crisis Core along the way. I’ve never played KH tho. Sorry, bud.
Loved the soundtrack in this scene
Biggs's jacket is fire. Where can I get something similar?
Dickies sells one that's sort of similar. Been wearing it for years, and constantly get hit with the compliments!
I’m just hoping that Remake ending forced a divergence that pushed multiple timelines into multiple worlds with different consequences. Rebirth seems to show how it’s not necessarily multiverse theory in the traditional way rather these are worlds which are bouncing off from one another which would explain why some things don’t make sense, some events overlap or some characters are displaced within the time line in regards to how events are happening ie Cloud having been with the group in Zack’s world but the disruption causing Cloud to be displaced and with Zack. Which makes me think that perhaps the perfect situations for victory is what Sephiroth is doing just that Aeirth is also using that same opportunity to get the perfect situation for everyone. The sequel could head towards being a picking up the good “parts” of these worlds and making them the core basis when they all collide.
I haven't played Remake and Rebirth so I'm just theorizing here. I guess this is a new thing for the new story of FFVII where they're introducing some sort of Parallel world. Biggs and Zack are basically dead in the main world but for some reason they're transported in this alternate timeline that is almost the same as the main world but with few differences and so far 2 of them are the only one's aware of the whole thing.
My another theory is, I guess once Aerith dies she would be transported in the alternate timeline as well to be with Zack... and MAYBE once Cloud is in a coma, he will be awaken in the alternate timeline since he's other self is also there but unconscious at the moment.
Like his soul is tethered by the two bodies. But why though? Confusing, but VERY interesting.
I love your theory on this a lot. This seems like purgatory where they are neither dead or alive as the life stream of the whispers wont allow them to. Interesting to see what happens in Final Fantasy 7 Reunion. Which is what I think the 3 parts name is going to be.
So now we have two Clouds and two Aeriths in that specific future timeline?
In Zack's one? No. One Aerith and one Cloud. Both in coma. Locals remember "Ex-SOLDIER" merc Cloud, but his body is unaccounted for by Shinra, and possibly does not even exists. Rebirth Cloud sometimes sees the glimpses of Zack's reality through coma Cloud.
Seems like we have the OG Aerith (dead, in the Lifestream, able to manifest, has some relation to the White Whispers, PROBABLY the one that meets with Cloud in the church and helps in final battle, where Sephiroth acknowleges her presence), Schrödinger's Aerith from the Rebirth main reality (denial theory can't explain certain things, like Red feeling her and Cloud seeing her at the same time), coma Aerith in the Zack's reality (assuming Zack is returned to his reality at the end, he sees no dead Aerith in the church, nor the blood). Party is forced into the OG or very similar reality (it will allow the third game to stay faithful to the original for the most part, Rebirth Cloud is able to perceive and interact with the alternate reality to some extent (rip in the sky, similar to the one that Zack sees has nothing to do with the denial).
Another possibility is that Zack is now in Rebirth reality, while party is in OG reality.
@@netfan7117 honestly speaking it’s exciting, but also goddamn confusing. I just played the first part before the flashback and it already made me scratch my head.. but still exciting though🤣
@@alimichalkan8046 After rewatching cutscenes, I must correct myself. It is possible, that coma Aerith is no longer in coma. Because Cloud made it in time.
"Aerith... Wake up".
Not future.
This zack (along with Coma Aerith and Cloud) are from different worlds but those worlds are not stable, sometimes they even blend or overlap with Remake’s world.
This Biggs is from Remake’s world though
SO basically its Final Fantasy version of Netflix Dark. @@netfan7117
I refuse to acknowledge any FF7 timeline where Tifa is dead. Imagine if that Cloud wakes up and finds out, he’d prob just off himself immediately
Or succumbs to Jenova's influence and becomes a black robe
Originally I thought…when their “destinies” came in the original time line where they were supposed to die, once the whispers were destroyed, they were pulled into another timeline. One where everything happened the way it did originally until Zack died. The way Biggs talked to Zack about how he knew Cloud and told him about all the things his timeline’s Cloud did, I thought that seems to what is happening here. Which lead me to think, maybe Wedge, Jessie, and others who died are here too and maybe when someone(Aerith)dies in the original timeline, they’ll be transported here and it’ll become possible for them to come back somehow. But that’s not what ended up happening, at least not entirely. No, seems like there’s many alternate timelines, not just one. Still hoping that it’s possible for all those that died to come back that way though!
I'm still playing the game and hasn't reached this part yet. But from what I've seen, is this supposed to be E-2 Zack and E-1 Biggs from main timeline? I mean Biggs knows our Cloud while Zack obviously doesn't because E-2 Cloud still hasn't woken up yet.
Yes. Locals also know Cloud the merc, but his body is unaccounted by Shinra, unlike Barret, Tifa and the others.
@@netfan7117 This multiverse story is so confusing lol. Hope they will explain it further in part 3.
@@netfan7117when E-2 Zack showed up, he and Cloud basically time traveled so E-2 Cloud overwritten E-1 Cloud, which is why he is unaccounted for.
I feel sad for Marlene ;-; and this song is so nice, still doing a good work on the osts
Gotta love how Biggs is just Topper Harley
14:16 Balthier reference.
I wish I liked Zack more... Im too old and played the OG too much. He is growing on me though at-least!
Ya seems like Caleb did a excellent job here in rebirth. He was actually pretty good. Same with Tyler as sephiroth.
I didn't like Caleb in ff7 remake but the dlc was good for his scenes. CCR was extremely trash imo which led me disappointed after he did a good job for remakes dlc.
I just hope he stays consistent from here on out.
I doubt age has anything to do with it. You just have an opinion. And that’s fine. Me, personally, I’m not fond of the multiverse thing but it is what it is.
He is the best ff character you’re not too old I’m likely older than you
@@DavidMaxSteinbach I am happy that Caleb took the criticism from the first game and Reunion. yeah, sure. He did not like the fact that people were being really harsh at him, but he did at least bring it up in his Twitter that he was going to try and channel a more Charismatic vibe like Rick Gomez did with the OG Zack.
It might help if you played crisis core?
Becouse alot of people have more of a connection to Zack by through that.
OH Yeaaaaahh Aerith's Always Kept Her Materia Hidden But When It Fell He Saw It For The First Time Which Implies That She's Actually Still Wounded By Sephiroth's Sword And She Might've Survived But Is Greatly Weakened And According To
What Marline Said In The Trailer That Can Mean That Aerith Will Have To Find Away To Awaken Lucrecia From Her Sleep
And Tell Her About What Happened
You don't need to capitalize every word y'know
Wait aerith in this world was hurt …nothing to say she was injured through a multi universal injury by the sword.
Honestly there are so Ms y questions. I generally think that Zach’s new world is a screwed up place, a world created as a consequence of the efforts of aerith and sephiroth. This world …seems to get worse and worse every time. Moments just POP up, characters seeming to be very off…and FORGETFUL. Biggs even forgets how long it’s been since he blew sector 8. Why didn’t he evver visit Marlene? Where is elmyra and Marlene when aerith wakes cloud up? The cast seems to be dead or captured. The townsfolk’s GUIDED cloud to pick aerith’s best date choices while remarking to enjoy the time they have…very odd and sad…Zack didn’t ask Biggs where tifa or Barrett is-like it’s very odd. That’s because this world CANT exist. It’s as if the world is doomed which it was and the cracks in the sky prove that. In addition, none fj the main cast show up except for a comprise cloud and aerith…because as we saw they can only interact in this new world by being unconscious in our “main world.” But yeah aerith was prob aware of THIS DYING WORld, and used it to get one last date, BUT she did not understand that Zack was alive. I do think however Zack survived because the OG aerith guided him and/or the “good” whispers are now guiding him since he ends up in church again. We don’t know where and when but we can assume it’s stable for now. I suspect he is our world now with his will, and whatever forces saved him pushing him to save the world. Zach certainly seems more reflective on want he needs to do.
@@lundylow Yeah I see people doing this once in a while, like why tf would you do that?!
biggs death was in the 6th parallel timeline. zack is in the 4 parallel timeline.
Sorry to bother you, but is there a way to save Biggs? I heard it's a choice? 😢
@@marwellieI'm not certain on this, but based on how Zacks story ends in this game, it seems that Biggs death was more of a possibility depending on what route Zack chose. At the end, Zack is seen sitting there contemplating what to do regarding Aerith, Cloud, and Biggs, which implies Biggs isn't dead. When Zack pursues a route, the other one erupts in white light. I think timelines might be branching more and more and each fork in the road becomes another timeline.
But Zack never truly took an action at that point. While debating what to do, he was interrupted and pulled into a fight.
Also even with what we see, yes Biggs is shot, and drops, but that doesn't necessarily mean dead, but definitely critically injured. Without confirmation in the story, especially this story, no one is truly dead.
Hell even if they say someone is outright dead, we won't know if they stay dead until part 3.
In part 1 we thought people were dead, but then they didn't die.
My assumption is anyone who dies right now probably wakes up in Zacks timeline.
Aerith in the OG guided the life stream along with avalanche to stop meteor.
So what if Aerith simply wakes up in Zacks time, and a alanche as they die ends up in that time line, and the life stream between times is connected, so Aerith channels Zack and Avalanche through the life stream from the alternate timeline to fight off meteor, and they live normal lives from there in the alternate timeline?
That or Sephiroth succeeds, merges the timelines, and everyone comes back, but stops Sephiroth.
Everyone is talking about timeline nonsense and the insanity of the general plot... but seeing all the flowers dying around aerith's house as a sign that she's gone is really screwed up
what chapters do you play as Zack because i don't remember?
They are more like clips and pieces of gameplay than a full chapter dedicated to their story.
Nice. How long are Zack sequences in the game? Tell me it isn't really short.
so far? Pretty damn short
He does like two cool things in the game lol
Short enough to have the game give you “fighting as zack” turorial during the final boss
I'm on the last stages of FF7 Remake myself, and can't wait for Rebirth to come to PC and all that, honestly though , why couldn't they've of just kept the whole storyline intact like the original without having all these realities and stuff, (if i sound confused etc thats cos i am)
Does anybody know the name of the song that plays here??
I wanna know too! It’s soo good
Janet Jackson Control
@@MarkAHouston lol
Good question
I’m two months late, but it’s called “End of The World”
Idk what's going on really but Marlene is adorble
0:09 LA
If they wanted to cram as much as possible of the compilation content into the game and make a somewhat different story with different possibilities, they should've just introduced branching storylines/events that play out differently, depending on player's choice(especially, considering that SE added the dialogue wheel). These dementors, multiverses and Dr. Sephiroth seem like not the best idea.
The fact that Zack's touch on Aerith's hand transcends the "timeline" to cross over to the Rebirht timeline's to Aerith's hand would seem to indicate even more nuance to what the game makers plan on doing beyond what gamers "think" is what is going to happen with regard's to Rebirth's ending and Part 3's story.
Can anyone figure out the significance of Kyrie in this scene? She comes out of left field and leaves her bag behind but it doesn’t serve any purpose I can figure out. But surely they wouldn’t waste time putting her in the scene for no reason?
Did you notice her eyes? There was something really off about them.
@@billybatts8283 hmm, how so? Not seeing anything myself.
im confused , to my understanding biggs was taken from the timeline of the "remake" and zack was taken from the crisis core reunion timeline and they are now stranded in which timeline? the one where the reactor blows up and kills wedge , tifa and barret or??? elvira knows cloud? i know she recognices zack but...how is she calm about aerith being dead or comatose?
Because both of them are dead and in the Lifestream, living in their own "version" of reality.
Look at the sky; the large "tear" in reality is the same we see in the background when Cloud and Tifa fall into the Lifestream. Zack and Biggs still have a job to do and the Planet's keeping them around for it.
Timeliness lol. It's clearly the lifestream, a purgatory.
I don't understand can someone clarify me in this timeline is tifa and the rest of the party dead?
I guess so, but they will reunite with the other timeline in the 3rd part of the game
Except for Cloud (not the one, that Zack brings with him), he is unaccounted for. Locals remember him being merc, however.
Cloud from main Rebirth timeline is sometimes able to see glimpses of this reality through coma Cloud's eyes.
In this timeline, yes they are dead.
Spoil me... is there a way to save Biggs?
Anyone know the name of the song here??
I need to know as well
“End of The World”
So the alternate timeline theory is real then
Why is Zack shocked to hear about Cloud the merc and Cloud being capable etc. He knew Cloud was caabĺe and knows he saved his life by literally killing Sepiroth, singlehandedly....
because he was not capable back then. There is a huge difference between a shinra grunt and a solider. backstabbing sephirth ( cheapshotting) is not single handedly soloing sephiroth.
And the real cloud is having fun dating with the real aerith, even making out with the booba tifa😂😂😂😂
What is this theme!?
“End of The World”
They change the story a lot, huh? Means Aerith won't die either, right?
😅😅😅 Where TBA when someone messing with the timeline... jk jk, but how much i love the original story, but the remake has plot twist on its own...
Plot twist, huh? M. Night Shyamalan would be so proud
Isn't zack is a wanted as well?
No He Isnt An Avalanche Member
@@haileeraestout5567 he is an ex soldier wanted by Shinra which HQ is in Midgar .... Yeah unless this is a piece of hint that the timeline is messed up and Zack is actually on the future and he is supposed to be dead in that timeline where jump in with cloud? So if he does where is the cloud of that timeline? Never reach Midgar I guess because Marlene never mentioned him and also there is not wanted for him and the only person that remembers cloud is Biggs so I presume there are actually 4 different timeline on ff7 🤔
There might be 2 different Clouds, the one that fought with Avalance and currently missing in that world, and the Comatose Cloud brought by Zack.
Zack came by after the destruction of Sector 7, so Biggs and Avalance have fought together with Cloud for that long but they failed, because we see Tifa, Barret, Red XIII and Aerith were captured together means they got captured after the highway chase.
The "tornado" might be the whisper battle at the end of Remake, but this version our heroes lost and Cloud went missing.
@@kennykurniawan there is an oddity red xiii he suppose not be part of avalanche and the wanted poster miss cloud to me is clear that cloud never get part of avalanche and the biggs that we have in the game is the one that was from the remake that actually met with cloud and was about to die my guess the biggs in that world is actually dead together with Jesse and wedge and now tifa Barrett aerith are dead in this world without cloud
no zack in crisis core is KIA
It pretty simple they are alive aerith healed Biggs and dragged zack ass from a different timeline so in other words two clouds one zack one dead girl one long haired angel with mommy issues and one big opportunity for a new ff7 story
Then, we will meet advent children Cloud that explain what going on to present cloud. Something has already happened in the future that Sephiroth knows there are multiple time lines. And he need present Cloud to stops Sephiroth because his world already messed up by him.
SO YOURE SAYING THERES A CHANCE JESSIE IS ALIVE???
Zack has to be the most overrated character,but his passionate and kind words are so powerful and beautiful.
Dumb storyline thanks to Nomura and his whispers
It's not dumb per say, but it sounds like they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. On the one hand it is horryfying that Aerith died in the original...however, it was what elevated that game from a 9 to a 10 because it taught gamers, particularly younger ones the importance of dealing with loss.
Nomura didn't write this game.
Nomura didn't even write for the game, it was Kazushige Nojima, whos was a writer in the original
whats wrong with marlene voice ? its completely different, she sounds like teenagers in rebirth, the fvck.
UM the actress grew up lol? Or they had to get a new one. Because the OG actress grew up. Either way...
@@princessoscar3089 UM Original japanese voice actress is still the same and sounds the same almost 20 years later UM. This is only problem with the amateur american dubs UM
@patrik3482 You're showing your ass, bro. Japanese VA's get ACTUAL training and school while the US relies on just experience. Plus, Remake came out 6 years ago. Voices change a shit ton during that time.
@@pikachuspartan1868 ok bro calm down.
@@majinboo6377 Sorry. Just, this shit has been a VERY annoying topic for years. Like, close to a decade amount of time.
All they had to do was remake FF7 with better graphics, but nope. They add in 100 hours of weeby fluff and rewrote the plot. It's so depressing.
I think i would actually spend money on a ps5 and this game if it was an actual remake and non of this multiple timelines and different story elements. Just a classic remake with these graphics. Following the original exactly
I wouldnt mind new side quests and stuff and other elements I guess just keep the story the same.
Nah this is better
@@hiroko_9779 sure, if you're a weeb with a weeby profile pic of an anime gf I'm sure you would have that unpopular view.
@@alexanderprice6612 lol okay
@@alexanderprice6612this version is better bud
Rebirth makes it obvious; there's no timelines, no multiverses, just the perspective of Zack and Biggs remaining self-aware in the Lifestream after death because they still have something the planet wants them to do. In Zack's case it's obviously to help Cloud find himself, as for Biggs we'll have to find out.
You'd be wrong. Sephiroth straight up tells Cloud about the multiverse and how eventually all worlds end, but everyone returns to the lifestream.
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@@shiroutheherotraceon3313Yeah, because Sepiroth is a reliable narrator. It's clearly purgatory in the lifestream.
@@billybatts8283 There's nothing indicating that he's lying in this instance even if he does try to gaslight Cloud multiple times.