I really hope she does grow and become an active listener because that's always been my biggest gripe with her - she can be so self-involved, never really paying attention to the people she claims to love or care about.
She's having a panic attack, an actual physical reaction to her anxiety. That was not a ruse. As portrayed by the events in those final 10 or so minutes she had to get up and collect herself. It's rather frustrating, as someone who lives with people who experience that level of anxiety, to see people mock the situation. I realize you're frustrated with Penelope's decisions, but that doesn't make the circumstances of a panic attack any less concerning.
Thank you for your comment. It was not my intention to “mock”. It was my reaction to Penelope the character. I am very familiar with mental health and in particular anxiety IRL.
@@snootyvegansit was very considerate for you to make comment back I suffer from severe anxiety as well but tbh everyone this is just a television show your comments were harmless in my opinion, some of y’all need to go touch some grass frfr 😅 and stop being so quick to be offended and triggered. Your heart posture seems to be very kind.
I really like your channel and your voices, so I hope you don’t take this as a demand to change. Your opinion is yours to form at the end of the day and I respect the process. These are all just my personal opinions. I do feel the harshness towards Pen and it’s a bummer because I admire the character. Not because she’s perfect or faultless but because she’s one of the most layered characters in the series. I think in peoples judgment of her it’s easy to forget to take off the modern lens. Because Pen is living in a world where with few exceptions a woman’s entire well being depended on her ability to marry. She’s a noble woman so she can’t work, can’t own property, can’t even open a bank account to keep her own money if she found a way to earn it. If she doesn’t marry, her only option is to spend her life at the mercy of her living relatives, in their homes depending on their charity while being looked down upon in society for being an unwanted spinster. You see how cruel her sisters and mother have been to her her entire life, tearing her down and telling her plainly that she’s worthless and will never be wanted. She could easily have been beaten down into just accepting that her life was just going to be miserable suffering the abuse of others. But she always pushed back. She believed she could do and be more and she did. You may not like the method, but what Pen did as a teenage girl in her first season out no less, was take her fate in her own hands. She not only developed a business, she used the gifts and talents she was always mocked for and told she shouldn’t bother with because that’s not for women, and became a writer. She captured the interest of the entire ton by giving them what they thrive on better than anyone else could give it, and made them hear her and want her. Gossip can be ruinous and cruel and I get why people dislike gossip columns, but let’s be real. Everyone in the ton gossips. It’s how they get information, how they entertain themselves, and so many other things. Penelope never told lies just to tell them or devolved into baseless slander as we see her peers doing over and over again. She delivered harsh truths to people she felt deserved it when they were often unkind to her and others, whether it was good to or not. Because she was 16 and to her that probably felt like justice and sixteen-year-olds aren’t always the wisest. She’s made mistakes but she’s not an evil person. Her motives do often come from a good place. She was Marina’s friend and kept her secret until she realized that Marina was going to lie to and seduce the man she loved (and succeed). That’s rough. She did what she thought she had to and learned some hard lessons. Eloise was not faultless in their breakup. She was quite frankly proving the point about teenagers being incredibly reckless with her life. She was headed toward ruin with or without Penelope’s interference, and right or wrong Penelope’s choice did actually prevent the worst from happening to either of them. All of this to say, I just see a young woman who was told time and again she was nothing, who isn’t letting society tell her she has to stay down, fighting with what she has, balancing some really complicated and nuanced issues all before she’s even twenty years old. I just think she deserves a lot more grace and empathy than she gets - because I don’t think I’d handle living in her shoes half as well.
I noticed that lies (including omission) and liars seem to get the most criticism in some of the reactions I've seen. Dishonesty seems to be a sore topic. That being said, having not watched the next episodes yet, I wonder if Cressida will get more criticism for lying about being LW
Same. I was watching it between my fingers, blushing, and giggling. It was definitely more emotionally intimate compared to the passionate "couplings" of earlier seasons
Eloise not knowing that Penelope had a crush on Colin just proves that she never payed attention to her, also it’s not really up to her when Pen tells Colin her secret. Don’t really like all the Pen hate
Honestly I don’t blame Eloise. Colin is her family and it doesn’t matter how you slice it he’s being deceived by Pen. Colin has the right to know something of this magnitude, especially since he’s about to marry her. I wouldn’t let anyone knowingly deceive someone I loved.
The thing about Pen passing out is you gotta remember the time period and what the women, especially women in high society or almost high society were wearing. She’s wearing a corset under her dress that’s very tight fitting on her despite it being her exact size…..and she was having most likely a panic attack. Imagine you’re wearing a tight piece of clothing, it’s hot, and you start hyperventilating….eventually unless you’re able to get some air, or something cold on you the chances of passing out….pretty great. The way she passed out so gracefully that was just for the dramatics of tv but in reality, she probably would’ve passed out.
Corsets back then weren't tight like some shows suggests. They were basically bras. Plus, Colin helped her redress. I doubt it would have been like her mom in Season 1
@cymbamcreynolds8838 regardless she still couldn't breathe. If someone today were having a panic attack they may faint as well without wearing a laced up corset...also hers was probably tied pretty tight because she's more curvy.
I’m a huge fan of this channel and will absolutely stay subscribed, even if it’s just for the Doctor Who reactions with Syntell and Rekkai #ellogovnah 🤗 But I’ll be skipping the rest of this season’s Bridgerton reactions with you two. Please understand that I think you both have great camera presence. You are very entertaining and I truly envy your ability to coherently express yourselves verbally - especially on the fly! Still, I find myself consistently disagreeing with your characterization -and quite harsh criticism- of this show’s characters. Especially since that ire is often (nearly exclusively) directed at young women. I acknowledge and, of course, respect everyone’s right to their own opinion. Just because I don’t necessarily concur, it doesn’t mean your interpretation is any less valid than my own. I simply find the clash of thought and resulting frustration makes for a significantly less-enjoyable viewing experience. Rest assured, “shadow children” and “that part!” have been permanently enshrined in my vocabulary. Moreover, I’ll certainly keep an open mind when deciding whether to watch any of your joint reactions in the future. Just not when it comes to this particular show. P.S. Pleasantries aside, that “elephant” joke was out of pocket 😑
Just by being a woman and writing publicly, that was considered transgressive in the society of the Ton, so Penelope is incredibly courageous. I think she was mostly reflecting people's mess and hypocrisy back at them. Then she realised the power LW represents, and with her powerlessness in real life she was feeling herself and getting a bit arrogant. She did make sure the delivery boys were paid a fair wage and gave Madame Delacroix a boost. I think not so great things she did, she did with the best of intentions but not fully thinking about the far reaching consequences. She's quite sheltered and young so it makes sense.
@@BellesView it’s definitely love…the way he defends her. The way HE sees her more than she sees herself. Just because he values the way Pen sees him doesn’t mean he doesn’t love her
I feel that some people even have more sympathy towards Walter White who was a drug dealer/ producer 😂 in Breaking Bad or even for Don Draper who was a serial cheater 🤣 in Mad Men. But when it’s a young woman who’s an anti hero with some flaws, they get so much hate.
ohhh... i love you guys (found you with your Ted Lasso reactions and enjoyed this channel ever since) but these bridgerton's season 3 reactions have made me feel a bit disappointed and sad. I don't understand why people judge Penelope this harshly. She has never said a lie in her column, even if sometimes less kind, that's how she's been treated herself even inside her own home...and by CRESSIDA who you seem to sympathise with. And the harshest she's ever been on her column was with herself, when she wrote about herself in episode 2 this season. Then, how is Lady Whistledown that bad, if there's so much interest? These are rich people who have nothing to do other than gossip and they read her cause she's great it. and a GREAT WRITER!! As a woman in this time, Penelope would never be a published writer, this is her life's work and she can only be successful cause she's anonymous. We see Benedict going to arts school and Penelope being constantly mocked for liking to read. it's unfair to judge her like that. If she was taken seriously and her talent valued, she could be a novel writer or a journalist/columnist, but a woman would never be allowed that, so she found her way. Pretty genius, specially for a 16/17 year old (when she started), if you ask me. And as a 17-20 year old, she's of course going to make mistakes... what she wrote about Colin was 100% true though (he was trying to be something else and is finally now back to himself) and what she wrote about Eloise saved her from complete ruin (being caught kissing that boy and having to marry him, for example, or her family ruining the boy's life to protect Eloise... when know how protective Anthony gets). Eloise is smart, but too privileged! Her not knowing earlier that Pen was Whistledown and in love with Colin is a sign that she never really took Pen seriously, listened to her, took interest. You see many moments in other seasons where Pen is trying to tell her something and Eloise oblivious to her friend's needs. Just as she did now to Cressida, blabbing on about Pen's engagement without stopping to notice Cressida needed her support because of her parent's trying to marry her off. Pen deserves more grace. She's a career woman in something she's great at, even ELOISE loved and admired her immensely till it touched her!! And that ultimatum was cruel!! On the night of her engagement?? where she couldn't really get alone time with Colin to tell him? it's mean on Eloise's part. Eloise has had almost a whole year to do some self reflecting and didn't... I think that's a bigger fault. She judges everyone and society (which is exactly why she loved Whistledown before knowing who she was) but does nothing to better herself! And this ending where Pen faints, imagine being invisible, rejected or bullied all your life, finally reaching some deserving happines, have someone blackmail you with a deadline of only some hours and then having a panic attack while wearing a corset you can't get off of on your own. you see her trying to loosen it when she goes into that dark room alone, trying to breath. And comparing her not telling him to Marina's trying to entrap him into marriage is ludicrous!!! Pen is in love and she's Whistledown, two separate things!! she's not trying to marry him to make him care for her, she's rich enough to not need him at all!! I hope you guys come around to her. :) other than that, keep up the great work! i love ya'll energy 🥰
There are women writers in this period. Eloise has read _A Vindication of the Rights of Women_ by Mary Wollstonecraft and is reading _Emma_ by Jane Austen (this would have been published under the byline by A Lady at the time, I believe) in the first episode. Austen is only a few years from her untimely death at this point. A woman of 21 or older could own property in the Regency, as much as a man of the same age could. The Regency wasn't the best time for women, but a lot of people are under the impression they had no rights whatever, and that is not the case. When marrying, a woman's property would pass to her husband. In the case of a writer, this would include any earnings from her writing, including if she left him. This was the case for the writer Caroline Norton (although this was later and was one of the cases that led to the Married Women's Property Act of 1870). Upon widowhood, however, a woman regained her legal personhood which was lost upon marriage (a husband and wife are viewed as one entity, in a sense) with perhaps some extra freedom (as in the cases of Lady Danbury and Lady Arnold in the show). The Ladies of Llangollen are a famous pair of spinsters who set up a household together in Wales after running away from their families, who tried to get them to return home but failed. They received many visitors, including Lord Byron and William Wordsworth, and also Anne Lister (aka "Gentleman Jack") who would later "marry" Ann Walker in Holy Trinity Church in Goodramgate by taking communion with her. Queen Charlotte wanted to visit the Ladies of Llangollen, and convinced her husband to grant them a pension. Sorry for the wall o' text.
Oh yeah, Pen was definitely having a panic attack. The heaviness (and layers)of those gowns, the corsets, plus the splints they used to insert in dresses in the front to keep the posture strsight and the tummies smoothed: add all that on top of somebody about blow up your spot, , and that girl was legit about to pass out, bless her. 😂😂😂
I completely agree with you....and if anyone should be disliking anyone it should be Cressida and yet people will side with Cressida and be mad or dislike Penelope like heck no especially with how much Cressida has bullied Penelope for all those years and for doing everything that she did in part 2 of season 3! I don't like Cressida and I don't feel sorry for her at all!
listen, i normally love yalls reactions, but the hate towards Penelope is too much. I get it, she's not perfect and she's done some awful things, but she is not the devil. She just wants to be heard and respected. She has everyone in the ton always shaming and making fun of her, mostly for her body, even her own family. Even w/ the Bridgertons, sometimes she is disrespected and ignored (Colin mocking her in public last season, Eloise's self-centerness and failure to listen and pay attention to Pen, even Anthony in season 1 when he said that dancing at a ball is nothing romantic cuz Colin danced with Pen). And besides, its not like she is making up the information, she is just repeating what she hears from everyone. She has never told a lie, she doesn't gossip in public, she just listens to what everyone else is saying and puts it on blast. Once again, does this justify some of the things she's done, like ruining Marina, no. she has made some bad choices, but every character has bad qualities, and its just insane to me that you guys seem to overlook everyone else but you lay it on thick with Pen. You could feel bad for Cressida a little bit because the situation she has was just how the time period was for most, but Cressida is still an awful person, not just to Pen, but to anothers too, like Daphne. I hope by the time you guys finish the season youre opinion of Pen changes, but this hostility towards her is too much for me. Please stop thinking the worse of her. If you are going to call out Pen's bad qualities, then you should call out EVERY character's bad qualities as well.
Portia too. Violet is wonderful and lovely. Violet is also not what the actual norm of what most mothers would have been like in this era. She's idealized. All of the Bridgertons are - it's why the show so often slyly pokes fun at them being the "perfect" family. Portia is the norm. She's not "cruel" - a word that keeps coming up a lot with her. She's a realist. She's a pragmatist. She wasn't wrong when she said that in her third year out as an unmarried woman, Penelope was probably not marriage material. Those are just facts in that era. It's not Portia who is cruel, but society. She's just trying to set her daughters up to make the best of the reality they're faced with. Gotta stop viewing this show through the lens of our modern sensibilities. Now isn't then.
See this response is why I wish they didn’t stray from the book about Collin. In the book he finds out she is lady wistledown before the carriage scene and before the proposal. I get they wanted drama but the book is plenty dramatic without having people be upset with pen for not telling. Love ur response though!
It"s crazy how you hate Pen for Lady Whistledown's business, but you are ok with Eloise's self-centredness? (Cressida was telling her of her troubles, and El was all "MEMEMEME"... as she was with Pen before ^^') As for Pen's fainting at the end of the episode was because of the stress and the panick attack. Your lack of empathy ... seriously...
@@prettydark They seriously can't grasp what LW truly is. How this society works. She doesn't lie, she isn't petty or cruel out of nowhere. She gives back what people give her. Her family mocks and abuses her, so she mocks them. She sees a society that ostracizes her, so she reveals to their face how ugly they are. They ALL gossip, and they don't see her so she hears and she found a way to make them ALL listen. Marina was entraping Colin. Eloise is endangering her entire family, especially her sisters, and Theo (who would probably be killed for being alone with her, Simon kissed Daphne, and Anthony, who was his friend, asked for a duel, and Simon is a duke! Theo is a low class boy). She said what she said about Colin because he callously humilliated her in front of eligible bachelors, he who has a name of respect, and then went on as if nothing happened and came back to no repercussions and a new personality. Cressida bullied Penelope out of cruelty, she is the bad one. Yes, women had to compete for the attention of suitors but Penelope never had any. Cressida, instead of sabotaging just the ones in her way, she focused her time in being cruel to the weakest link for sport. And she sabotaged herself, because people saw how ugly she was inside. But Penelope was pressured to debut early, never was even considered an option. She found a way to expose to the ton what they are truly like and she finally found power. Did she occasionally played God? Perhaps. But she is a girl without a male relative, with a family that was having money problems, with no marriage prospects. Eloise is a priveleged rich girl of good name that can do what she wants bc her brothers will always help her even if she is ruined. Also, Penelope had no time to consider telling Colin. She was about to marry another man when he barged in, made a scandal out of them and then confessed and well, after the carriage, what else could she do? If he was to break the betrothal, which he could despite having "compromised" her, and she simultaneously lost Whistledown, she would have nothing.
Penelope endangered the reputation of her family by having sex before marriage. Like Marina she did not reveal who she really was before engaging herself to Colin. You accuse Eloise of selfishness because she was blind to Penelope's feelings for Colin. However, Penelope's complete blindness to the financial catastrophe her family faced should also be highlighted. The fact is the books are not well written and the characters are superficial. The adaptations have tried to give them depth, but unfortunately some of them come across as problematic. That being said there are hundreds of reviewers that have nothing but blind praise for Penelope.
@@aquele4virou3But LW is cruel. The entire concept of publicly airing out people’s business, especially in a society as judgmental and harsh as this one, is just mean. Them not supporting that is understandable.
i love the new additions Anderson and Kilmartin! I think they bring something fresh to the show and i didnt even realize it needed a bit of freshening up. Feather mom, i think its a little of everything with her, i believe she is starting to recognize her faults ( like baby toe dip in the water), i think in her own way she cares, i think she understands the fears she has about life and emblements those to her children, and also she cares a lot about her standing in society so....
If you guys have Max, you might watch a few episodes of Rome. The actress playing Portia Featherington(Polly Walker) plays Attia, mother to Octavius Julius Ceaser, and it’s a very similar character arc. Who ever thought to cast Polly as Coughlans mother was a damn genius.
Someone brought up a good that the colors might be muted because it's from Penelope's POV and she sees a lot of turmoil it her own life that's why they show a bleak color palette. I thought that was an interesting take
27:57 Penelope fainted from hours of stress and anxiety. I wouldn't say that's dramatic, I'd say it's an uncontrollable event. But I have been blamed and ridiculed for fainting, so I guess people will think what they want 🙃
I recently found your reactions and sat quiet through 5 of season 3. Would just like to point out a few things. Now I see the hate/love relationship fans and yourselves have with Pen. So here goes.. 1. Pen/LW with Pen shes visible(barely) but not heard LW is not seen but heard. Pen and LW are not two seperate ppl or personalities they are one inner and one outter of society. Pen has to have a filter...LW has to hide behind a pen name (an easter egg if you will) due to the times. LW doesnt lie but Pen does. Pen isnt cruel but LW can be. Pen uses LW voice to right wrongs but also stumbles to see the ending as many 19 y/os do. So Their choices are iffy at best most times. LW is the second richest in the books next to the queen. Pens family is in shambles finacially most of the time. Pen is a most loyal friend, female and upstanding till the 18 mins in this episode lol. LW is cutting and ruthless at times about things others are doing and speaking about. To be loyal to the times on standing on buisness when all was againat oneself being a female and unable to do anything is a HUGE feat and probably hard as all get out to do properly at 16-19. No one in the ton has not been cruel to anyone (not just pen) ex. Will fell to gain the money to open that bar. Portia swindled the swindler. Eloise would have changed Pens point of view whilst writing LW when she herself doesnt listen to others. Cressida doesnt need a point bullentin shes a mean girl with trauma. Danbury slept with Violets dad. The Queen holds court for her husband and truly can be cruel when shes bored. The men sleep with all the Ton and the women all gossip. Thats the WHOLE POINT ❤❤
Portia wasn’t trying to be cruel. You have to look at this from the point of view of a woman who has never had any real power, whose husband failed her then died & left her with debt and 3 daughters futures to secure. She struggles to connect with Penelope & doesn’t understand her. She thought Debling would provide security & that pen was basically reaching for the stars with Colin and he wouldn’t follow through. She didn’t realize that they actually loved each other so he would be devoted to her daughter. Pen barely believed it so why would Portia. At the same time I don’t blame pen for what she wrote about her mother. Portia basically called her unworthy of Colin and said she entrapped him for him to propose now she is trying to use her to attach herself to the bridgertons. If my mother treated me like that I’d be angry too. Pen isn’t the villain. She’s a 19 year old girl who has been treated like dirt by her family and overlooked by very ppl of the ton. She created whistledown to have a voice & highlight the hypocrisy of the ton bc they all back bite & gossip but never out in the open. She finally got a bit of power but she didn’t always use it responsibly and now she has to deal with the consequences of that. At the same time the man she has loved her whole life decides he wants to be with her, seduces her and proposes all in 24hours. She lost Eloise as a friend when she learned about Whistledown so of course pen is terrified she will lose Colin as well. She isn’t putting on a show to buy time, that anxiety attack was very real and makes perfect sense considering the stress of everything that happened with Colin, her mother & Eloise threatening her. Colin deserves the truth but I understand why she is scared to tell him and risk losing her chance at love.
This is good. I don't (sorry, I was hoping not to do this here) think it was just learning about Whistledown that made Eloise break up with Penelope. It was what happened before that, and then finding out. I think you make a lot of good points, though.
I'm a little perplexed by the cheering on of Eloise. Eloise is not a hero in this piece. In fact, throughout the story, she's been a bad friend. I understand that she was hurt by Penelope and she's angry, but her self-righteousness is over-the-top, not to mention her narcissism. She's not even very nice to Cressida. Everything always ends up being about Eloise, even the blackmail.
Eloise isn't blackmailing anyone (is that the blackmail you're talking about?); she is giving an ultimatum. It's not unreasonable to tell Penelope she needs to tell Colin or else. I also wonder how many people who think Eloise overreacted to what Penelope did would easily forgive a friend for doing the same to them. If I found my friend whom I had loved and trusted wrote and published something like that about me, I would be devastated. Not to mention the very real effect this had on Eloise's life. So I'm a little perplexed by all the hate for Eloise I see.
@@BellesView I think she was a fan at first but after Marina was exposed, her reason for trying to find Whistledown was to get her to publish a retraction for Penelope's family, which was because she loved Penelope. I'm not sure I think reading something is the same as writing it (that may be too much of a discussion for these comments), but Eloise has had varying feelings about LW, including just losing interest at one point because she thought Whistledown was not saying much worthy with her platform. However, if you expect me to say Eloise or any other character is perfect, I'm afraid I can't oblige.
@@HuntingViolets - I don't hate Eloise. I just don't care for her narcissism. Both Penelope and Cressida have to be Eloise's friend on Eloise's terms. Her friendships are never on equal terms.
I agree with Syntell in regard to Portia shifting how she’s treating Pen. She does treat her like a simple ‘ol chair in the corner that is now being praised and have some value. She’s ALL about external praise and society acceptance before all else because that’s all she knows. Her actions are not out of pure evilness or cruelty. She doesn’t intend to hurt her but doesn’t know how to comfort ANY of her children. In S3 part 1 when Pen was sitting in her room by the window all evening til night fall there was a split second where Portia almost went in for a hug to comfort her but then drew back. I’m excited to see how you think of her by the end of the Season though 😁.
Did you guys catch Mrs. Featherington thanked the Dowager Violet Bridgerton for the decor of the engagement party and no one corrected her that the event was planned by the current ViCountess Kate? I did like Benedict introduced his widow lady to Kate as his sister.
@@snootyvegans I think that commenter is more referring to you saying “no pun intended” when talking about the Whistledown/Penelope situation being the elephant in the room. With the implication being that there’s a pun there about Penelope being an elephant?
@@snootyvegans I'm referring to your ‘no pun intended’ reference around the 39:10 point in video which sounded to me you were referring to Penelope as ‘the elephant in the room’
Glad y'all finally mentioned the costumes because this season ain't it. From Cressida's sleeves to muted queen Charlotte and lady Danbury, I was disappointed with the new designer's work 😢 Penelope looks better than other seasons tho
I think the muted colors have a lot to do with the directors choice. There's a story in the color design. I may not know exactly what is being said, but I do recognize that something is happening. The whole episode is pretty drab when compared to other episodes.
It's off to a great start so far. Is Whistledown going to mess everything up, or is Pen finally going to let her go? Whatever she chooses is going to affect her tremendously.
Loved the sex scene it felt very real and intimate it was awkward and sweet like a first time would be hopefully. Lol I did feel uncomfortable it felt like I was intruding and I never felt that way with the other ones😭 also y’all need to be nice to pen she’s definitely at fault it just I couldn’t imagine her wanting to tell Colin after how Eloise reacted and how he hated lw so I’d be scared to idk😬😭
Lady Featherington can be a dick no question and she lacks subtlety. But she does want what's best for her family. But for her (and for most women of this time) position is what gets you security and happiness, not love. She expected Penelope to be engaged to an Earl. In case you aren't ware of the rank system in England at this time. Outside the Monarch and the immediate royal family, it goes Duke (Simon), Marquess (Lord Kilmartin), Earl, Viscount (Benedict Bridgerton), and finally Baron. Now of course money also has impact. Now we never were told in the series what Rank Penelope's father was. I would assume based on how society treats the family a Baron (it could be higher, and that their treatment was based on behavior or not having the funds of other families). But Penelope was to be engaged to an Earl. Colin is by position an inferior match. He is a lord, but not titled. His brother as senior of the house is a Viscount, but that applies to only him. Colin family is well regarded, has sufficient funds, and is connected high (thanks to Simon and Daphne's marriage), but he lacks a title. And even regardless of an inferior rank, Colin is likely to be around his estate. The Earl would be gone for years at a time. This allows the rare situation where the wife would be head of the house and weld considerable power and responsibility, which for many women would be an exceedingly desirable position to be in. As they so rarely got to have real say over the lives around them, or even their own. Love matches among the gentry were rare. Now some grew over time to include real affection, but even that wasn't expected, but hoped for. And from Mom's perspective, Colin would have done everything wrong. He isn't shown courting her. He doesn't seek permission to ask for her hand. These are all massive red flags that he just used her for sex. And while he appears to be honorable enough to marry, it wouldn't give any appearance of having affection being a factor. Now the only possible good sign, is that she is aware that they have known each other for years, and have a cordial relationship. That would at the least imply a solid chance of having a civil marriage. But just a civil marriage to a lesser man, where Penelope wouldn't be guaranteed a solid amount of control over her own life, would look like a very sizable down ground. When Colin confronts her, she gets to see for the first time probably his character. And here, he does everything right. By starting with declaring his feelings, following with her outstanding qualities, and ending with her behavior insulting his family. He puts all the issues in exactly the right order of importance. If he lead with the insult to his family name, that would imply that being the most important factor. By stating his feelings, he is letting her know it wasn't going to be a marriage convenience. By pointing out her qualities, he is showing that he sees the real worth of her daughter. And ending with his family honor, he is letting her know he will protect her, and that she risking her family name in showing disrespect.
Yes, I feel like it would be a huge stretch that Colin was the "catch of the season". He's the third son, his brothers are likely to have kids which will bump him lower, and viscount isn't even that high in the titled class.
Hello, I'll tell you something. I recently heard in an interview that the author of the books said that when she started writing Bridgerton, she didn't even know who Lady Whistledown would be, until the end of the first book, when she realized that it had to be Penelope. because she was invisible to others, to her family, to society, and even at the beginning to her as an author since Penelope was just a character who was there to show how kind the Bridgerton family was by treating someone well who was not treated well, by no one. I think that for a young woman of that time who has suffered what she went through, it is normal that if she is given the opportunity to write, she would not necessarily write compliments about those who treat her badly. Of course, knowing she was popular and since what she wrote had influence, she felt the power, and made decisions that were not good, she had to pressure Marina just as Eloise pressures her to tell the truth to Colin, and tell the truth to him. she didn't do it, instead of exposing it publicly. And clearly she had to be honest with Eloise when she told her that she wanted to unmask Lady Whistledown, but she didn't, and she should have been even more truthful when Eloise made the worst decision, which was to say that she was the author, but it's true. that what he did prevented Eloise from paying worse consequences for a wrong decision. But beyond these acts that affected people she loves, as a writer she never lied, she always told the truth, and about the things she said, well, no one forced people to commit actions that later became publicly known gossip, Eloise wants her friend to tell the truth to Colin, and she is right, he deserves to know the truth, and I understand that as a sister it is a very uncomfortable situation to be in the middle, but Pen deserves to be able to tell the secret when she is ready to do so because she knows that The consequences could be terrible for your relationship. When Eloise fell in love with Theo and used excuses like "I'm going for a walk with Penelope" when she went to see him, Penelope didn't agree with their relationship and let him know, but didn't pressure her to tell her family about it. tell him what he did. Of course, she tells it later, but not with the intention of exposing her, but with the idea of saving her
I don't think it was a ruse, it was a genuine panic attack (and maybe influenced by pregnancy I'M WITH YOU LOL!) And I do feel for her, cause she is in a horrible situation, but also Eloise is 100% in the right with wanting her to tell Colin ASAP. She is putting all the Bridgerton's in danger by marrying him and without telling him? Hell nah, I would've already told him.
I agree with some of the comments re: being overly sensitive about these characters. I have to remind myself that it's a tv show. But it's very difficult when I have become very invested in these characters. I'm working on it.
That's a good thing. That means these hard working writers are connecting with you. We understand why people are sensitive about their favorite characters and become upset when we're critical about them. We see pieces of ourselves when characters are written properly. This is something to embrace. This means that you're enjoying the series. ❤️ Bridgerton is an amazing show, and you can see it clearly by how it's fans react. I wish there we're more shows like it.
i'm actually like this for Pen AND Eloise, they/anyone can never say anything to make me hate them, so far... Cressida on the other, while I do feel for her sometimes she's just easy to hate as a character.
I didn't even really look at the intro that deep. I didn't realize that they were changing up the entryway Game of Thrones does. I have to go back and look at it.
I found it interesting that Violet thought Franchesca needed a match who would get her out of shell. Violet said earlier in the season that Lord Kilmartin's family don't socialize much, suggesting that his family may be neurodivergent like Franchesca. Being from an extroverted/ neuro-typical family, Franchesca may find it easier to push herself to be more extroverted. It's also easier for us neurodivergent ppl to be social with each other or others when we have a friend to anchor us. TLDR, Franchesca finds peace and understanding with him on a level that's very welcomed and refreshing; Lord Kilmartin feels a similar freedom in their companionship and is gently pushed to grow as a person.
Violet annoyed me with that. Daphne and Simon’s marriage was rushed and done in duress. Anthony had an emotional affair with his ex-fiancé’s sister and married her. Two circumstances that could’ve damaged the Bridgerton name. But Franchesca marrying a neurodivergent introvert is where she draws the line?
In my opinion Eloise is just trying to protect her family. Yes, she is self centered in not realizing Penelope has feelings for Colin. But Lady Whistledown humiliated Colin. Yes, she tried to protect Colin and Eloise from themselves but she also did this for money. In looking to have her own income Pen has proven to be very much like her mother, sensible. Penelope is very lucky to have love and financial security. I also must admit, to me, Penelope is brave. How many of us use our passions/ gifts instead of doing only the expected.
Penelope doesn’t have love and financial security. Partly because she’s a woman and the time she lives in but also because her family’s situation is always in dire straits. That’s been showed throughout the show as well as the fact that she’s invisible to her family and everyone else in the ton . Including Eloise and up until recently Colin. The worst thing she ever said about Colin was that he wasn’t being himself. Which he wasn’t and which others pointed it out to him earlier in the season including his own mother .
I don't know why it's self-centered for Eloise to not realize Penelope's feelings for Colin, something Penelope actively hid from her. A sister isn't always going to see that, particularly when her friend doesn't confide in her. Penelope only knew about Eloise's feelings because she did confide in Penelope, even though Pen didn't listen to her sometimes.
@@HuntingViolets Because it speaks to the dynamics of their relationship. Communication is a two way street/give and take. The very fact that she never knew that Penelope had this longtime crush on Colin and that she is LW . Also is telling that she hasn’t been paying any attention to Penelope. Similarly like the rest of Penelope’s family and the rest of the Ton. With a touch of arrogance thrown in there
@@kiana960 It's a two-way street, but Penelope doesn't communicate with Eloise, and in fact, when Eloise asks her to, she deflects and asks Eloise to talk about something else.
@@HuntingViolets Eloise hardly if ever asks Penelope about herself. Throughout most of her conversations with Penelope it is solely or mostly dictated on Eloise is doing or focused on. Which does the exact same thing to Cressida
There's no way Penelope could write about her engagement with Colin and get it to the printer's and for them to print it by the next morning. What the heck was that?
We agree on disapproving of the EARLY 19th century making love of Colin and Pen, especially when she has not told her secret to Colin. I'm not a Pen fan, however I don't like how Colin & Pen are acting like its a contemporary relationship. I believe Pen was curious how Marina/Lady Thompson had premarital relations. Remember Pen and Eloise were clueless about lovemaking in Season 1. I feel the writers missed the mark with Pen willing to have premarital relations "in that era."
I think she felt safe to because they are engaged. It sounds like that might have happened with Violet and Edmund too (although she could have just meant heavy petting, as they used to say). Almost all the couples in the _Bridgerton_ books have premarital sex. Of the couples we've seen on the show so far, the first two did not in the books.
Eloise needs to learn to listen. Thats what claudia jeesse said in the interview and I agree with her
I really hope she does grow and become an active listener because that's always been my biggest gripe with her - she can be so self-involved, never really paying attention to the people she claims to love or care about.
@@danis4187Same. All she does is talk and doesn’t do anything to change or circumvent her circumstances.
She's having a panic attack, an actual physical reaction to her anxiety. That was not a ruse. As portrayed by the events in those final 10 or so minutes she had to get up and collect herself. It's rather frustrating, as someone who lives with people who experience that level of anxiety, to see people mock the situation. I realize you're frustrated with Penelope's decisions, but that doesn't make the circumstances of a panic attack any less concerning.
100% agree. I was quite triggered by their mocking of her as well. Very unfortunate.
Thank you for your comment. It was not my intention to “mock”. It was my reaction to Penelope the character. I am very familiar with mental health and in particular anxiety IRL.
@@snootyvegansit was very considerate for you to make comment back I suffer from severe anxiety as well but tbh everyone this is just a television show your comments were harmless in my opinion, some of y’all need to go touch some grass frfr 😅 and stop being so quick to be offended and triggered. Your heart posture seems to be very kind.
100% agree
@@MA-xg7ltright tho! I want their honest reaction without the worry of being judged. People are too damn sensitive imo.
I really like your channel and your voices, so I hope you don’t take this as a demand to change. Your opinion is yours to form at the end of the day and I respect the process. These are all just my personal opinions.
I do feel the harshness towards Pen and it’s a bummer because I admire the character. Not because she’s perfect or faultless but because she’s one of the most layered characters in the series. I think in peoples judgment of her it’s easy to forget to take off the modern lens. Because Pen is living in a world where with few exceptions a woman’s entire well being depended on her ability to marry. She’s a noble woman so she can’t work, can’t own property, can’t even open a bank account to keep her own money if she found a way to earn it.
If she doesn’t marry, her only option is to spend her life at the mercy of her living relatives, in their homes depending on their charity while being looked down upon in society for being an unwanted spinster. You see how cruel her sisters and mother have been to her her entire life, tearing her down and telling her plainly that she’s worthless and will never be wanted. She could easily have been beaten down into just accepting that her life was just going to be miserable suffering the abuse of others. But she always pushed back. She believed she could do and be more and she did. You may not like the method, but what Pen did as a teenage girl in her first season out no less, was take her fate in her own hands. She not only developed a business, she used the gifts and talents she was always mocked for and told she shouldn’t bother with because that’s not for women, and became a writer. She captured the interest of the entire ton by giving them what they thrive on better than anyone else could give it, and made them hear her and want her.
Gossip can be ruinous and cruel and I get why people dislike gossip columns, but let’s be real. Everyone in the ton gossips. It’s how they get information, how they entertain themselves, and so many other things. Penelope never told lies just to tell them or devolved into baseless slander as we see her peers doing over and over again. She delivered harsh truths to people she felt deserved it when they were often unkind to her and others, whether it was good to or not. Because she was 16 and to her that probably felt like justice and sixteen-year-olds aren’t always the wisest. She’s made mistakes but she’s not an evil person. Her motives do often come from a good place. She was Marina’s friend and kept her secret until she realized that Marina was going to lie to and seduce the man she loved (and succeed). That’s rough. She did what she thought she had to and learned some hard lessons. Eloise was not faultless in their breakup. She was quite frankly proving the point about teenagers being incredibly reckless with her life. She was headed toward ruin with or without Penelope’s interference, and right or wrong Penelope’s choice did actually prevent the worst from happening to either of them.
All of this to say, I just see a young woman who was told time and again she was nothing, who isn’t letting society tell her she has to stay down, fighting with what she has, balancing some really complicated and nuanced issues all before she’s even twenty years old. I just think she deserves a lot more grace and empathy than she gets - because I don’t think I’d handle living in her shoes half as well.
that level of anxiety while wearing a corset? it's no wonder she passed out. lol.
🤣😂
If he's already gotten to the corset, you've already won!!!
Y'all are so against Pen. WTH have you seen how they treat her? You don't even hate Cressida that much 😂
I noticed that lies (including omission) and liars seem to get the most criticism in some of the reactions I've seen. Dishonesty seems to be a sore topic. That being said, having not watched the next episodes yet, I wonder if Cressida will get more criticism for lying about being LW
the mirror scene was beautiful and luke and nicola did so well, felt like i was interrupting lol
Everyone knows by now that there's nothing like a Bridgerton love scene.
All of that ☝🏾
Same. I was watching it between my fingers, blushing, and giggling. It was definitely more emotionally intimate compared to the passionate "couplings" of earlier seasons
Eloise not knowing that Penelope had a crush on Colin just proves that she never payed attention to her, also it’s not really up to her when Pen tells Colin her secret. Don’t really like all the Pen hate
If I were in this situation, I would hope that my sibling would advocate for me. But that's just me.
Honestly I don’t blame Eloise. Colin is her family and it doesn’t matter how you slice it he’s being deceived by Pen. Colin has the right to know something of this magnitude, especially since he’s about to marry her. I wouldn’t let anyone knowingly deceive someone I loved.
Eloise is insufferable. You didn’t notice your friend had a crush on Colin or was Lady Whistledown until you finally started listening to her.
It is up to her, she is protecting her brother. Pen is putting all of Eloise's family in danger by not telling him and marrying him.
The thing about Pen passing out is you gotta remember the time period and what the women, especially women in high society or almost high society were wearing. She’s wearing a corset under her dress that’s very tight fitting on her despite it being her exact size…..and she was having most likely a panic attack. Imagine you’re wearing a tight piece of clothing, it’s hot, and you start hyperventilating….eventually unless you’re able to get some air, or something cold on you the chances of passing out….pretty great. The way she passed out so gracefully that was just for the dramatics of tv but in reality, she probably would’ve passed out.
Corsets back then weren't tight like some shows suggests. They were basically bras. Plus, Colin helped her redress. I doubt it would have been like her mom in Season 1
@@cymbamcreynolds8838 Yes, the show's portrayal of corsets is wildly inaccurate.
@cymbamcreynolds8838 regardless she still couldn't breathe. If someone today were having a panic attack they may faint as well without wearing a laced up corset...also hers was probably tied pretty tight because she's more curvy.
I’m a huge fan of this channel and will absolutely stay subscribed, even if it’s just for the Doctor Who reactions with Syntell and Rekkai #ellogovnah 🤗
But I’ll be skipping the rest of this season’s Bridgerton reactions with you two.
Please understand that I think you both have great camera presence. You are very entertaining and I truly envy your ability to coherently express yourselves verbally - especially on the fly!
Still, I find myself consistently disagreeing with your characterization -and quite harsh criticism- of this show’s characters. Especially since that ire is often (nearly exclusively) directed at young women.
I acknowledge and, of course, respect everyone’s right to their own opinion. Just because I don’t necessarily concur, it doesn’t mean your interpretation is any less valid than my own. I simply find the clash of thought and resulting frustration makes for a significantly less-enjoyable viewing experience.
Rest assured, “shadow children” and “that part!” have been permanently enshrined in my vocabulary. Moreover, I’ll certainly keep an open mind when deciding whether to watch any of your joint reactions in the future. Just not when it comes to this particular show.
P.S. Pleasantries aside, that “elephant” joke was out of pocket 😑
I don’t think Penelope is the bad guy in this situation. She’s not innocent I agree but I wouldn’t classify her as a villain
Just by being a woman and writing publicly, that was considered transgressive in the society of the Ton, so Penelope is incredibly courageous. I think she was mostly reflecting people's mess and hypocrisy back at them. Then she realised the power LW represents, and with her powerlessness in real life she was feeling herself and getting a bit arrogant. She did make sure the delivery boys were paid a fair wage and gave Madame Delacroix a boost. I think not so great things she did, she did with the best of intentions but not fully thinking about the far reaching consequences. She's quite sheltered and young so it makes sense.
@@psychedelicpegasus7587 A well-reasoned opinion.
She was full own having a panic attack, tho. It's not to delay. She got herself so tense that she lacked air.
the love Colin has for Pen is beautiful
She's earned his love. I can't wait to see how it all plays out.
Is it? I question if it’s love or his love for Pen’s ability to see him more than he sees himself.
@@BellesView it’s definitely love…the way he defends her. The way HE sees her more than she sees herself. Just because he values the way Pen sees him doesn’t mean he doesn’t love her
@@Syntell it plays out so beautifully even more so in the last episode episode 8 is everything...it's absolutely beautiful!
It’s sad that people just don’t get complex characters anymore *sigh*
It’s really only a problem when it comes to female characters. Because I don’t see half as much vitriol when it comes to male protagonists
I feel that some people even have more sympathy towards Walter White who was a drug dealer/ producer 😂 in Breaking Bad or even for Don Draper who was a serial cheater 🤣 in Mad Men. But when it’s a young woman who’s an anti hero with some flaws, they get so much hate.
@@hlfbldprincess yep 💯
ohhh... i love you guys (found you with your Ted Lasso reactions and enjoyed this channel ever since) but these bridgerton's season 3 reactions have made me feel a bit disappointed and sad. I don't understand why people judge Penelope this harshly. She has never said a lie in her column, even if sometimes less kind, that's how she's been treated herself even inside her own home...and by CRESSIDA who you seem to sympathise with. And the harshest she's ever been on her column was with herself, when she wrote about herself in episode 2 this season.
Then, how is Lady Whistledown that bad, if there's so much interest? These are rich people who have nothing to do other than gossip and they read her cause she's great it. and a GREAT WRITER!! As a woman in this time, Penelope would never be a published writer, this is her life's work and she can only be successful cause she's anonymous. We see Benedict going to arts school and Penelope being constantly mocked for liking to read. it's unfair to judge her like that. If she was taken seriously and her talent valued, she could be a novel writer or a journalist/columnist, but a woman would never be allowed that, so she found her way. Pretty genius, specially for a 16/17 year old (when she started), if you ask me. And as a 17-20 year old, she's of course going to make mistakes... what she wrote about Colin was 100% true though (he was trying to be something else and is finally now back to himself) and what she wrote about Eloise saved her from complete ruin (being caught kissing that boy and having to marry him, for example, or her family ruining the boy's life to protect Eloise... when know how protective Anthony gets). Eloise is smart, but too privileged! Her not knowing earlier that Pen was Whistledown and in love with Colin is a sign that she never really took Pen seriously, listened to her, took interest. You see many moments in other seasons where Pen is trying to tell her something and Eloise oblivious to her friend's needs. Just as she did now to Cressida, blabbing on about Pen's engagement without stopping to notice Cressida needed her support because of her parent's trying to marry her off.
Pen deserves more grace. She's a career woman in something she's great at, even ELOISE loved and admired her immensely till it touched her!! And that ultimatum was cruel!! On the night of her engagement?? where she couldn't really get alone time with Colin to tell him? it's mean on Eloise's part. Eloise has had almost a whole year to do some self reflecting and didn't... I think that's a bigger fault. She judges everyone and society (which is exactly why she loved Whistledown before knowing who she was) but does nothing to better herself!
And this ending where Pen faints, imagine being invisible, rejected or bullied all your life, finally reaching some deserving happines, have someone blackmail you with a deadline of only some hours and then having a panic attack while wearing a corset you can't get off of on your own. you see her trying to loosen it when she goes into that dark room alone, trying to breath. And comparing her not telling him to Marina's trying to entrap him into marriage is ludicrous!!! Pen is in love and she's Whistledown, two separate things!! she's not trying to marry him to make him care for her, she's rich enough to not need him at all!!
I hope you guys come around to her. :) other than that, keep up the great work! i love ya'll energy 🥰
There are women writers in this period. Eloise has read _A Vindication of the Rights of Women_ by Mary Wollstonecraft and is reading _Emma_ by Jane Austen (this would have been published under the byline by A Lady at the time, I believe) in the first episode. Austen is only a few years from her untimely death at this point.
A woman of 21 or older could own property in the Regency, as much as a man of the same age could. The Regency wasn't the best time for women, but a lot of people are under the impression they had no rights whatever, and that is not the case. When marrying, a woman's property would pass to her husband. In the case of a writer, this would include any earnings from her writing, including if she left him. This was the case for the writer Caroline Norton (although this was later and was one of the cases that led to the Married Women's Property Act of 1870). Upon widowhood, however, a woman regained her legal personhood which was lost upon marriage (a husband and wife are viewed as one entity, in a sense) with perhaps some extra freedom (as in the cases of Lady Danbury and Lady Arnold in the show).
The Ladies of Llangollen are a famous pair of spinsters who set up a household together in Wales after running away from their families, who tried to get them to return home but failed. They received many visitors, including Lord Byron and William Wordsworth, and also Anne Lister (aka "Gentleman Jack") who would later "marry" Ann Walker in Holy Trinity Church in Goodramgate by taking communion with her. Queen Charlotte wanted to visit the Ladies of Llangollen, and convinced her husband to grant them a pension.
Sorry for the wall o' text.
Oh yeah, Pen was definitely having a panic attack. The heaviness (and layers)of those gowns, the corsets, plus the splints they used to insert in dresses in the front to keep the posture strsight and the tummies smoothed: add all that on top of somebody about blow up your spot, , and that girl was legit about to pass out, bless her. 😂😂😂
I cannot trust anyone with a deep dislike for Penelope 🥴
I completely agree with you....and if anyone should be disliking anyone it should be Cressida and yet people will side with Cressida and be mad or dislike Penelope like heck no especially with how much Cressida has bullied Penelope for all those years and for doing everything that she did in part 2 of season 3! I don't like Cressida and I don't feel sorry for her at all!
listen, i normally love yalls reactions, but the hate towards Penelope is too much. I get it, she's not perfect and she's done some awful things, but she is not the devil. She just wants to be heard and respected. She has everyone in the ton always shaming and making fun of her, mostly for her body, even her own family. Even w/ the Bridgertons, sometimes she is disrespected and ignored (Colin mocking her in public last season, Eloise's self-centerness and failure to listen and pay attention to Pen, even Anthony in season 1 when he said that dancing at a ball is nothing romantic cuz Colin danced with Pen). And besides, its not like she is making up the information, she is just repeating what she hears from everyone. She has never told a lie, she doesn't gossip in public, she just listens to what everyone else is saying and puts it on blast. Once again, does this justify some of the things she's done, like ruining Marina, no. she has made some bad choices, but every character has bad qualities, and its just insane to me that you guys seem to overlook everyone else but you lay it on thick with Pen. You could feel bad for Cressida a little bit because the situation she has was just how the time period was for most, but Cressida is still an awful person, not just to Pen, but to anothers too, like Daphne. I hope by the time you guys finish the season youre opinion of Pen changes, but this hostility towards her is too much for me. Please stop thinking the worse of her. If you are going to call out Pen's bad qualities, then you should call out EVERY character's bad qualities as well.
Portia too. Violet is wonderful and lovely. Violet is also not what the actual norm of what most mothers would have been like in this era. She's idealized. All of the Bridgertons are - it's why the show so often slyly pokes fun at them being the "perfect" family. Portia is the norm. She's not "cruel" - a word that keeps coming up a lot with her. She's a realist. She's a pragmatist. She wasn't wrong when she said that in her third year out as an unmarried woman, Penelope was probably not marriage material. Those are just facts in that era. It's not Portia who is cruel, but society. She's just trying to set her daughters up to make the best of the reality they're faced with. Gotta stop viewing this show through the lens of our modern sensibilities. Now isn't then.
See this response is why I wish they didn’t stray from the book about Collin. In the book he finds out she is lady wistledown before the carriage scene and before the proposal. I get they wanted drama but the book is plenty dramatic without having people be upset with pen for not telling. Love ur response though!
Nothing wrong with a little bit of spicy drama. Let's see how it all plays out.
It"s crazy how you hate Pen for Lady Whistledown's business, but you are ok with Eloise's self-centredness? (Cressida was telling her of her troubles, and El was all "MEMEMEME"... as she was with Pen before ^^') As for Pen's fainting at the end of the episode was because of the stress and the panick attack. Your lack of empathy ... seriously...
Right? The hate for Pen is seriously off putting
@@prettydark Seriously... While Cressida is forgiven SO damn easily after all her years of bullying ^^'
@@prettydark They seriously can't grasp what LW truly is. How this society works. She doesn't lie, she isn't petty or cruel out of nowhere. She gives back what people give her. Her family mocks and abuses her, so she mocks them. She sees a society that ostracizes her, so she reveals to their face how ugly they are. They ALL gossip, and they don't see her so she hears and she found a way to make them ALL listen. Marina was entraping Colin. Eloise is endangering her entire family, especially her sisters, and Theo (who would probably be killed for being alone with her, Simon kissed Daphne, and Anthony, who was his friend, asked for a duel, and Simon is a duke! Theo is a low class boy).
She said what she said about Colin because he callously humilliated her in front of eligible bachelors, he who has a name of respect, and then went on as if nothing happened and came back to no repercussions and a new personality.
Cressida bullied Penelope out of cruelty, she is the bad one. Yes, women had to compete for the attention of suitors but Penelope never had any. Cressida, instead of sabotaging just the ones in her way, she focused her time in being cruel to the weakest link for sport. And she sabotaged herself, because people saw how ugly she was inside. But Penelope was pressured to debut early, never was even considered an option. She found a way to expose to the ton what they are truly like and she finally found power. Did she occasionally played God? Perhaps. But she is a girl without a male relative, with a family that was having money problems, with no marriage prospects. Eloise is a priveleged rich girl of good name that can do what she wants bc her brothers will always help her even if she is ruined.
Also, Penelope had no time to consider telling Colin. She was about to marry another man when he barged in, made a scandal out of them and then confessed and well, after the carriage, what else could she do? If he was to break the betrothal, which he could despite having "compromised" her, and she simultaneously lost Whistledown, she would have nothing.
Penelope endangered the reputation of her family by having sex before marriage. Like Marina she did not reveal who she really was before engaging herself to Colin. You accuse Eloise of selfishness because she was blind to Penelope's feelings for Colin. However, Penelope's complete blindness to the financial catastrophe her family faced should also be highlighted. The fact is the books are not well written and the characters are superficial. The adaptations have tried to give them depth, but unfortunately some of them come across as problematic. That being said there are hundreds of reviewers that have nothing but blind praise for Penelope.
@@aquele4virou3But LW is cruel. The entire concept of publicly airing out people’s business, especially in a society as judgmental and harsh as this one, is just mean. Them not supporting that is understandable.
I loved that you’ll are the only reactors that notice once pen was happy she didn’t come for the Queen lol
I think maybe the muted colours is symbolic of characters hiding true colours. There were a lot of truths hidden in the dark during this ball
i love the new additions Anderson and Kilmartin! I think they bring something fresh to the show and i didnt even realize it needed a bit of freshening up. Feather mom, i think its a little of everything with her, i believe she is starting to recognize her faults ( like baby toe dip in the water), i think in her own way she cares, i think she understands the fears she has about life and emblements those to her children, and also she cares a lot about her standing in society so....
If you guys have Max, you might watch a few episodes of Rome. The actress playing Portia Featherington(Polly Walker) plays Attia, mother to Octavius Julius Ceaser, and it’s a very similar character arc. Who ever thought to cast Polly as Coughlans mother was a damn genius.
She also (much younger) plays Jane Fairfax in the version of _Emma_ with Gwyneth Paltrow.
Someone brought up a good that the colors might be muted because it's from Penelope's POV and she sees a lot of turmoil it her own life that's why they show a bleak color palette. I thought that was an interesting take
27:57 Penelope fainted from hours of stress and anxiety. I wouldn't say that's dramatic, I'd say it's an uncontrollable event. But I have been blamed and ridiculed for fainting, so I guess people will think what they want 🙃
I recently found your reactions and sat quiet through 5 of season 3. Would just like to point out a few things. Now I see the hate/love relationship fans and yourselves have with Pen. So here goes..
1. Pen/LW with Pen shes visible(barely) but not heard LW is not seen but heard. Pen and LW are not two seperate ppl or personalities they are one inner and one outter of society. Pen has to have a filter...LW has to hide behind a pen name (an easter egg if you will) due to the times. LW doesnt lie but Pen does. Pen isnt cruel but LW can be. Pen uses LW voice to right wrongs but also stumbles to see the ending as many 19 y/os do. So Their choices are iffy at best most times. LW is the second richest in the books next to the queen. Pens family is in shambles finacially most of the time. Pen is a most loyal friend, female and upstanding till the 18 mins in this episode lol. LW is cutting and ruthless at times about things others are doing and speaking about. To be loyal to the times on standing on buisness when all was againat oneself being a female and unable to do anything is a HUGE feat and probably hard as all get out to do properly at 16-19. No one in the ton has not been cruel to anyone (not just pen) ex. Will fell to gain the money to open that bar. Portia swindled the swindler. Eloise would have changed Pens point of view whilst writing LW when she herself doesnt listen to others. Cressida doesnt need a point bullentin shes a mean girl with trauma. Danbury slept with Violets dad. The Queen holds court for her husband and truly can be cruel when shes bored. The men sleep with all the Ton and the women all gossip. Thats the WHOLE POINT ❤❤
Portia wasn’t trying to be cruel. You have to look at this from the point of view of a woman who has never had any real power, whose husband failed her then died & left her with debt and 3 daughters futures to secure. She struggles to connect with Penelope & doesn’t understand her. She thought Debling would provide security & that pen was basically reaching for the stars with Colin and he wouldn’t follow through. She didn’t realize that they actually loved each other so he would be devoted to her daughter. Pen barely believed it so why would Portia.
At the same time I don’t blame pen for what she wrote about her mother. Portia basically called her unworthy of Colin and said she entrapped him for him to propose now she is trying to use her to attach herself to the bridgertons. If my mother treated me like that I’d be angry too.
Pen isn’t the villain. She’s a 19 year old girl who has been treated like dirt by her family and overlooked by very ppl of the ton. She created whistledown to have a voice & highlight the hypocrisy of the ton bc they all back bite & gossip but never out in the open. She finally got a bit of power but she didn’t always use it responsibly and now she has to deal with the consequences of that. At the same time the man she has loved her whole life decides he wants to be with her, seduces her and proposes all in 24hours. She lost Eloise as a friend when she learned about Whistledown so of course pen is terrified she will lose Colin as well. She isn’t putting on a show to buy time, that anxiety attack was very real and makes perfect sense considering the stress of everything that happened with Colin, her mother & Eloise threatening her.
Colin deserves the truth but I understand why she is scared to tell him and risk losing her chance at love.
This is good. I don't (sorry, I was hoping not to do this here) think it was just learning about Whistledown that made Eloise break up with Penelope. It was what happened before that, and then finding out. I think you make a lot of good points, though.
I'm a little perplexed by the cheering on of Eloise. Eloise is not a hero in this piece. In fact, throughout the story, she's been a bad friend. I understand that she was hurt by Penelope and she's angry, but her self-righteousness is over-the-top, not to mention her narcissism. She's not even very nice to Cressida. Everything always ends up being about Eloise, even the blackmail.
Exactly!
Eloise isn't blackmailing anyone (is that the blackmail you're talking about?); she is giving an ultimatum. It's not unreasonable to tell Penelope she needs to tell Colin or else. I also wonder how many people who think Eloise overreacted to what Penelope did would easily forgive a friend for doing the same to them. If I found my friend whom I had loved and trusted wrote and published something like that about me, I would be devastated. Not to mention the very real effect this had on Eloise's life. So I'm a little perplexed by all the hate for Eloise I see.
@@HuntingViolets Yet Eloise still reads Lady Whistledown. She’s a fan.
@@BellesView I think she was a fan at first but after Marina was exposed, her reason for trying to find Whistledown was to get her to publish a retraction for Penelope's family, which was because she loved Penelope. I'm not sure I think reading something is the same as writing it (that may be too much of a discussion for these comments), but Eloise has had varying feelings about LW, including just losing interest at one point because she thought Whistledown was not saying much worthy with her platform. However, if you expect me to say Eloise or any other character is perfect, I'm afraid I can't oblige.
@@HuntingViolets - I don't hate Eloise. I just don't care for her narcissism. Both Penelope and Cressida have to be Eloise's friend on Eloise's terms. Her friendships are never on equal terms.
😮 🗣️ lilies.... Forget-me-nots.... LILACS !!!!!
I agree with Syntell in regard to Portia shifting how she’s treating Pen. She does treat her like a simple ‘ol chair in the corner that is now being praised and have some value. She’s ALL about external praise and society acceptance before all else because that’s all she knows.
Her actions are not out of pure evilness or cruelty. She doesn’t intend to hurt her but doesn’t know how to comfort ANY of her children. In S3 part 1 when Pen was sitting in her room by the window all evening til night fall there was a split second where Portia almost went in for a hug to comfort her but then drew back. I’m excited to see how you think of her by the end of the Season though 😁.
Did you guys catch Mrs. Featherington thanked the Dowager Violet Bridgerton for the decor of the engagement party and no one corrected her that the event was planned by the current ViCountess Kate? I did like Benedict introduced his widow lady to Kate as his sister.
I caught Portia insulting the décor a couple of minutes before going to compliment Violet, but that's a good catch. Kate deserves more credit.
Did I misinterpret your statement or were you actually referring to Penelope as the ‘elephant in the room?’😮
She has not yet told Colin about her being Lady Whistledown……that makes it very difficult to root for her when she is still being deceptive 🤷🏾♀️
@@snootyvegans I think that commenter is more referring to you saying “no pun intended” when talking about the Whistledown/Penelope situation being the elephant in the room. With the implication being that there’s a pun there about Penelope being an elephant?
@rachel81516 Exactly, didn't like that at all.
@@snootyvegans I'm referring to your ‘no pun intended’ reference around the 39:10 point in video which sounded to me you were referring to Penelope as ‘the elephant in the room’
11:49 He only got 10 years left at most.😆😆😆
Glad y'all finally mentioned the costumes because this season ain't it. From Cressida's sleeves to muted queen Charlotte and lady Danbury, I was disappointed with the new designer's work 😢 Penelope looks better than other seasons tho
I think the muted colors have a lot to do with the directors choice. There's a story in the color design. I may not know exactly what is being said, but I do recognize that something is happening. The whole episode is pretty drab when compared to other episodes.
I was really looking forward to hearing what you all thought about this series!
It's off to a great start so far. Is Whistledown going to mess everything up, or is Pen finally going to let her go? Whatever she chooses is going to affect her tremendously.
I agree
Loved the sex scene it felt very real and intimate it was awkward and sweet like a first time would be hopefully. Lol I did feel uncomfortable it felt like I was intruding and I never felt that way with the other ones😭 also y’all need to be nice to pen she’s definitely at fault it just I couldn’t imagine her wanting to tell Colin after how Eloise reacted and how he hated lw so I’d be scared to idk😬😭
Lady Featherington can be a dick no question and she lacks subtlety. But she does want what's best for her family. But for her (and for most women of this time) position is what gets you security and happiness, not love.
She expected Penelope to be engaged to an Earl. In case you aren't ware of the rank system in England at this time.
Outside the Monarch and the immediate royal family, it goes Duke (Simon), Marquess (Lord Kilmartin), Earl, Viscount (Benedict Bridgerton), and finally Baron. Now of course money also has impact.
Now we never were told in the series what Rank Penelope's father was. I would assume based on how society treats the family a Baron (it could be higher, and that their treatment was based on behavior or not having the funds of other families).
But Penelope was to be engaged to an Earl. Colin is by position an inferior match. He is a lord, but not titled. His brother as senior of the house is a Viscount, but that applies to only him. Colin family is well regarded, has sufficient funds, and is connected high (thanks to Simon and Daphne's marriage), but he lacks a title.
And even regardless of an inferior rank, Colin is likely to be around his estate. The Earl would be gone for years at a time. This allows the rare situation where the wife would be head of the house and weld considerable power and responsibility, which for many women would be an exceedingly desirable position to be in. As they so rarely got to have real say over the lives around them, or even their own. Love matches among the gentry were rare. Now some grew over time to include real affection, but even that wasn't expected, but hoped for.
And from Mom's perspective, Colin would have done everything wrong. He isn't shown courting her. He doesn't seek permission to ask for her hand. These are all massive red flags that he just used her for sex. And while he appears to be honorable enough to marry, it wouldn't give any appearance of having affection being a factor. Now the only possible good sign, is that she is aware that they have known each other for years, and have a cordial relationship. That would at the least imply a solid chance of having a civil marriage. But just a civil marriage to a lesser man, where Penelope wouldn't be guaranteed a solid amount of control over her own life, would look like a very sizable down ground.
When Colin confronts her, she gets to see for the first time probably his character. And here, he does everything right. By starting with declaring his feelings, following with her outstanding qualities, and ending with her behavior insulting his family. He puts all the issues in exactly the right order of importance. If he lead with the insult to his family name, that would imply that being the most important factor. By stating his feelings, he is letting her know it wasn't going to be a marriage convenience. By pointing out her qualities, he is showing that he sees the real worth of her daughter. And ending with his family honor, he is letting her know he will protect her, and that she risking her family name in showing disrespect.
Yes, I feel like it would be a huge stretch that Colin was the "catch of the season". He's the third son, his brothers are likely to have kids which will bump him lower, and viscount isn't even that high in the titled class.
Hello, I'll tell you something. I recently heard in an interview that the author of the books said that when she started writing Bridgerton, she didn't even know who Lady Whistledown would be, until the end of the first book, when she realized that it had to be Penelope. because she was invisible to others, to her family, to society, and even at the beginning to her as an author since Penelope was just a character who was there to show how kind the Bridgerton family was by treating someone well who was not treated well, by no one.
I think that for a young woman of that time who has suffered what she went through, it is normal that if she is given the opportunity to write, she would not necessarily write compliments about those who treat her badly.
Of course, knowing she was popular and since what she wrote had influence, she felt the power, and made decisions that were not good, she had to pressure Marina just as Eloise pressures her to tell the truth to Colin, and tell the truth to him. she didn't do it, instead of exposing it publicly. And clearly she had to be honest with Eloise when she told her that she wanted to unmask Lady Whistledown, but she didn't, and she should have been even more truthful when Eloise made the worst decision, which was to say that she was the author, but it's true. that what he did prevented Eloise from paying worse consequences for a wrong decision.
But beyond these acts that affected people she loves, as a writer she never lied, she always told the truth, and about the things she said, well, no one forced people to commit actions that later became publicly known gossip, Eloise wants her friend to tell the truth to Colin, and she is right, he deserves to know the truth, and I understand that as a sister it is a very uncomfortable situation to be in the middle, but Pen deserves to be able to tell the secret when she is ready to do so because she knows that The consequences could be terrible for your relationship. When Eloise fell in love with Theo and used excuses like "I'm going for a walk with Penelope" when she went to see him, Penelope didn't agree with their relationship and let him know, but didn't pressure her to tell her family about it. tell him what he did. Of course, she tells it later, but not with the intention of exposing her, but with the idea of saving her
It wasnt really like a swoon, she genuinely passed out from a panic attack, Eloise stressed her the hell out
Isn't that what a swoon is?
@@HuntingViolets I didn’t really know how to describe that she didn’t pass out for attention, idk if there’s a different word for it or not
@@isabelalba5310 Okay. "Pretended to swoon," maybe? Anyway, thank you for the response. :)
Ive been waiting all day for this reaction video!! Love you guys!
I don't think it was a ruse, it was a genuine panic attack (and maybe influenced by pregnancy I'M WITH YOU LOL!) And I do feel for her, cause she is in a horrible situation, but also Eloise is 100% in the right with wanting her to tell Colin ASAP. She is putting all the Bridgerton's in danger by marrying him and without telling him? Hell nah, I would've already told him.
I agree with some of the comments re: being overly sensitive about these characters. I have to remind myself that it's a tv show. But it's very difficult when I have become very invested in these characters. I'm working on it.
That's a good thing. That means these hard working writers are connecting with you.
We understand why people are sensitive about their favorite characters and become upset when we're critical about them. We see pieces of ourselves when characters are written properly. This is something to embrace. This means that you're enjoying the series. ❤️
Bridgerton is an amazing show, and you can see it clearly by how it's fans react. I wish there we're more shows like it.
the way y'all completely skipped over the mirror/couch scenes...😂
A- Anthony
B- bennedict
C- Collins
D- daphnie
E- eloise
F- francesca
G - Gregory
H- haicienth
i'm actually like this for Pen AND Eloise, they/anyone can never say anything to make me hate them, so far... Cressida on the other, while I do feel for her sometimes she's just easy to hate as a character.
27:56
"in this show??" you are completely right lmao in this show someone gonna have pregnancy signs 4 hours after the act
I didn't even really look at the intro that deep. I didn't realize that they were changing up the entryway Game of Thrones does. I have to go back and look at it.
I found it interesting that Violet thought Franchesca needed a match who would get her out of shell. Violet said earlier in the season that Lord Kilmartin's family don't socialize much, suggesting that his family may be neurodivergent like Franchesca. Being from an extroverted/ neuro-typical family, Franchesca may find it easier to push herself to be more extroverted. It's also easier for us neurodivergent ppl to be social with each other or others when we have a friend to anchor us.
TLDR, Franchesca finds peace and understanding with him on a level that's very welcomed and refreshing; Lord Kilmartin feels a similar freedom in their companionship and is gently pushed to grow as a person.
Violet annoyed me with that. Daphne and Simon’s marriage was rushed and done in duress. Anthony had an emotional affair with his ex-fiancé’s sister and married her. Two circumstances that could’ve damaged the Bridgerton name. But Franchesca marrying a neurodivergent introvert is where she draws the line?
New show runner is why it looks different, feels different, and has different visuals but I still enjoyed it
can't wait for your next review, you guys are truly my Bridgeton companions
Ooh, I wish i could've seen your reaction to Polin's sex scene. I felt like it was done beautifully and classy.
In my opinion Eloise is just trying to protect her family. Yes, she is self centered in not realizing Penelope has feelings for Colin. But Lady Whistledown humiliated Colin. Yes, she tried to protect Colin and Eloise from themselves but she also did this for money. In looking to have her own income Pen has proven to be very much like her mother, sensible. Penelope is very lucky to have love and financial security. I also must admit, to me, Penelope is brave. How many of us use our passions/ gifts instead of doing only the expected.
Penelope doesn’t have love and financial security. Partly because she’s a woman and the time she lives in but also because her family’s situation is always in dire straits. That’s been showed throughout the show as well as the fact that she’s invisible to her family and everyone else in the ton . Including Eloise and up until recently Colin. The worst thing she ever said about Colin was that he wasn’t being himself. Which he wasn’t and which others pointed it out to him earlier in the season including his own mother .
I don't know why it's self-centered for Eloise to not realize Penelope's feelings for Colin, something Penelope actively hid from her. A sister isn't always going to see that, particularly when her friend doesn't confide in her. Penelope only knew about Eloise's feelings because she did confide in Penelope, even though Pen didn't listen to her sometimes.
@@HuntingViolets Because it speaks to the dynamics of their relationship. Communication is a two way street/give and take. The very fact that she never knew that Penelope had this longtime crush on Colin and that she is LW . Also is telling that she hasn’t been paying any attention to Penelope. Similarly like the rest of Penelope’s family and the rest of the Ton. With a touch of arrogance thrown in there
@@kiana960 It's a two-way street, but Penelope doesn't communicate with Eloise, and in fact, when Eloise asks her to, she deflects and asks Eloise to talk about something else.
@@HuntingViolets Eloise hardly if ever asks Penelope about herself. Throughout most of her conversations with Penelope it is solely or mostly dictated on Eloise is doing or focused on. Which does the exact same thing to Cressida
Yessss we back baby!!!!!!!!😝😝
There's no way Penelope could write about her engagement with Colin and get it to the printer's and for them to print it by the next morning. What the heck was that?
Idk this didn’t give like I thought it was going to but Penelope girl you looked amazing. But something is missing.
The hate in these comments is disgusting.
We agree on disapproving of the EARLY 19th century making love of Colin and Pen, especially when she has not told her secret to Colin. I'm not a Pen fan, however I don't like how Colin & Pen are acting like its a contemporary relationship. I believe Pen was curious how Marina/Lady Thompson had premarital relations. Remember Pen and Eloise were clueless about lovemaking in Season 1. I feel the writers missed the mark with Pen willing to have premarital relations "in that era."
I think she felt safe to because they are engaged. It sounds like that might have happened with Violet and Edmund too (although she could have just meant heavy petting, as they used to say). Almost all the couples in the _Bridgerton_ books have premarital sex. Of the couples we've seen on the show so far, the first two did not in the books.
She is I and I is she? What?
5,000 back then is over 700,000 today, i checked yesterday in the british pounds
Did you see the look on Colin and Eloise’s faces when Pen said she had the money? Haters.
@@BellesView I think they were just surprised.
I'm out. This reaction was too much. Haters.
Syntell, wanna collab I loved it
Once you go black you never go back😂😂