This is Jen Jewel Brown, a music journalist from Australia that specifically covered counter culture music. At the time this was recorded she worked for the counter-culture music magazine, Daily Planet. She started working there when she was 19.
I thought it was Jen Jewel Brown too and originally posted this thread saying so, but she has come on either here or on my FB page saying it is not her! Why did you think it was her?
@@paulinebutcherbird The year this was filmed, her appearance, and the fact her question is centered around counter-culture music. Another person suggested Lillian Roxon, however she had shorter hair, and I believe she had already passed away before this interview was filmed. Lillian Roxon was 40 in 73, and passed away August 11th. This woman looks fairly young, which was another reason I thought it was Jen Jewel Brown.
@@My-Name-Isnt-Important Certainly it was on this trip to Australia that Frank met Jen Brown which is why I made the wrong conclusion. I agree with you about Lillian Roxon. Baffling as to why no one who knew this woman personally has not come forward. Are they all dead? 🫤
Whoever she is/was, she seems intelligent enough to at least have a conversation w/ Frank, which is a lot more than you can say about the idiots on that Senate committee associated w/ the Parents Music Research Council who Frank just BLISTERED.
@@mcjazzer As was my own experience when I first met Frank and said that Brown Shoes Don't Make It was immoral. He debated with me on the issue of the morality of lyrics for nearly half an hour. That was my 'in'.
Most extremely intelligent people are highly aware that the vast majority of what we perceive as the truth is subjective. It's never about changing the opinion of the one you debate, it's about making strong points, reflecting on other's arguments, and perhaps learning from one another.
I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't unusual to find such intelligent conversations on TV shows, no need for flashing lights, funny voices, or scripts written in baby talk by marketing teams. Whether or not one agrees with any of the speakers, it's a show by grownups made for grownups. Yeah, there was lots of garbage TV in those days as well, but where today in the open cultural sewer that TV has become would you even find something like this? I'm glad at least some memories of this time are being preserved online.
She had good questions. Frank had good answers. Interesting discussion, which answers the general question "Why is there so much crap on the radio/TV/Internet?"
Frank was not only ahead of his time musically, he was an insightful intellectual who understood the real politics behind the business - and the world in general.
@@ButternoteBackingTracks I agree. However, "His music was crap though" comes across as a declaration of fact rather opinion. "I don't like his music, though" is an opinion.
@@SillyGoose2024Well he did have the temarity to call out coming fascist theocracy in the USA in the 80s. Here we are 40 yrs later going down that road.
Looks like she asks a good question (about a revolution without musical accompaniment) that he doesn't clearly answer except that music can correspond to the mood of a particular audience (and perhaps inspire them?) She's articulate and focused, but seems to be careful in her approach. Nothing bad meant about Zappa, just complementing the woman. Maybe they need a clear definition of "revolution" that they can both address.
I have had a letter from the National Library of Australia to whom I wrote asking for help to identify this woman. They say that in their transcript of the event she is identified as 'Woman'. 'This leads me to believe,' Miriam Covell writes, 'that the woman is a member of the audience invited to ask a question, there is no reference to her being a journalist.' So my latest view is that she was a student. My only hope now is with the company who broadcast the Robert Moore show on Monday conference Monday 2 July 1973 at the Australian Broadcasting Association in Sydney. Anyone in Australia able to help?
You notice how civil this was . She asked a question, she wasnt trying to trip him up, she wasn't trying to say "got ya" or anything thing like that she just asked a valid question and he gave a valid answer.
It was that very fact that hooked me on to Frank Zappa when he employed me to take down the lyrics of Absolutely Free when he was in London. I did so but told him I thought the lyrics of Brown Shoes Don't Make It were immoral. He debated with me for nearly half an hour in the same measured way as he does here, and I was knocked out. Long story short, I ended up living and working in his house in Hollywood for three years. Frank encouraged me to write about it and I did, if you're interested.
@@christopherpetersen9956 Ah! That's nice of you,Christopher, and set me smiling, so thank you. It's available on amazon or I can send you a signed copy but if you're in America or elsewhere abroad from UK, postage is more than the cost of the book as I send them 'tracked'.
If you would like to know more such as Frank's daily life not shown in other books, from getting up to going to bed, composing and rehearsing with the Mothers, visiting rock stars, freaks, family squabbles, and more, then try 'Freak Out! My Life with Frank Zappa Laurel Canyon 1968-1971'.
@@stefanmatthias Interview between whom? Between Andrew Greenaway and Ahmet Zappa? I'm waiting to hear from Andrew. I don't think he was referring to this woman in this video in that footnote, because he was the first person to question if it was in fact Jen Jewel Brown on here when I posted this thread and asked if this was Jen Jewel Brown. I have since changed the title.
I can't imagine a world where many different types of music are available on radio stations, for my entire life it's been the same 50 songs repeated ad nauseum.
Are you saying the radio stations today have less variety? Why would you listen to radio today when there is so much stuff you can listen to elsewhere?
Yep. Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish in every goddamn gas station, grocery store, auto body shop, mall, restaurant... it never ends. I honestly wish I could go places where there isn't any music.playing for once. Like just enjoy the silence and then get an earworm of music I actually like at my own discretion.
The sad thing is that Frank doesn't realize he is very critical of Rock's golden years. He has no idea how bad it would get in later decades 😅😅 I love Frank, but he did sound like a pretentious sob at times😊
'A pretentious sob' - first time I've read that one. I agree with you and also when he criticised culture in America as if it didn't exist. Just because countries in Europe and elsewhere have been making music and art for centuries, he gave them higher credit and ignored the influence of jazz, fashion, fiction, films and so on that has come out of America in the past 200 years. I would have challenged him about this if I had been the interviewer.
@paulinebutcherbird I guess no one dared challenge him, the guru with an acid tongue... Although he's right to criticize some aspects of society then, the drugs and commercial television media boom, just like Jim Morrison did, he also had a lot of disdain for many of his contemporaries, some who probably appreciated his work. He was a phenomenal guitar player, and produced a few great albums. I sincerely love him, but why spit on the Beatles for example, who really were NOT "in it for the money" as he said. Lou Reed also despised many of his great contemporaries. My point is that radio stations were quite diverse at the time. It's gotten much, much worse in the 1990s, as depicted and documented by Rick Beato recently on his TH-cam channel. He showed what a real ma f ia it became since the mid 90s, producing uniformity of formats and sounds like never before...
WhiteCamry, Do you refer to the person asking the questions? If so, it's not. Jen Jewel Brown said it was not her. Or do you refer to one of the others on the stage?
@@stefanmatthias Do you mean it's Jen Brown? It's not! Jen Brown has denied it is her. Why would she do that? It doesn''t look like Jen Brown. I have photographs but I can't post them on here.
Seems like Frank always wanted to make a biting, dead honest comment with his music and was very critical but that was good! I think he was in his way a big hearted person. He strived to be the best he could be and for what he believed in with a tremendous work ethic, the highest artistic standards and he gave lots of opportunites for other musicians to shine. A collaborative artist. Poor Frank - he died too young. Chain smoking probably didnt help. I loved st alfonso’s pancake - father oblivion. But a few of the pure guitar solo ones were so damn magical - like black napkins- and watermelons - that one was so good it still makes me cry. so much feeling! But I also loved jackson five so go figure! This interview was really cool. The lady clearly dug him.
Thank you, Abby, but when I edited this section from the main, hour-long program, I had no idea it would nurture the following it's had, 90,000 views on TH-cam after one month. How to explain? I wish my book would get as big a following!
@@paulinebutcherbird Hi Pauline, I think the reason your book won't get the traction it deserves is because it is about Frank Zappa. The music industry and radio shunned Frank, I think it is because he knew the difference between kneeling down and bending over. ( jeez I hope you found that funny) He was banned from "mainstream" radio, yet had the album Apostrophe go straight to number 10 first week in, on Billboard top what ever at the time. However Frank was always sought after for his opinion. Go figure. On a side note have started reading the second release of your book. FK, you are a terrific writer. Very easy to follow. The book has been sitting on the coffee table. My wife has been looking at the book and she is an avid reader. She knew the book wasn't going to walk over to her so she walked over and picked it up herself. She is half way through the book. She has the impression that you were in awe of him, and, rightly so, she also thinks there was more than affection for him. Your book has been received well in Australia. There is an Australian Frank aficionado, and he tells me to pass on to you, it is the best Zappa book he has ever read and thinks it should be done as an audio book.💋
@@bwana-ma-coo-bah425 I'm moved by your comment. Thank you. I do hope your wife will pass the book on to other women because I think it also works as a coming-of-age story of a straight English girl thrust into the centre of rock and roll Laurel Canyon in 1968. And of course there was more than just affection from Frank. He was a serial sexual predator (like all rock stars at that time) so that must have been part of his mind when he invited me over - so your wife is correct. Finally, an audio version is available, read by Emma Gregory, an English actress who amazingly gets Frank and Gail and the others extremely well, available on Audible from Amazon.
@@paulinebutcherbird Oh WOW!! I will pass that information on so the older folk can get a copy. I also think the way it is written could very easily be made into film. Something to consider. Have you considered getting in contact with the Arf Society in Germany? They are very helpful.
Yea, listen to Beatles pre revolver, and tell me that they made challenging music, compared to what came after Sgt Pepper (and some of Revolver/Rubber Soul).
the 'always been' is something that rubs me the wrong way, the arrogance of that generation, as in always he means as far back as 1940s, which was not a long time ago, i can picture all the war generation just laughing at these young people.
@@MiguelBaptista1981 I'm pasting what Bob Dylan has said about early Beatles: "We were driving through Colorado, we had the radio on, and eight of the top ten songs were Beatles songs…’I Want to Hold Your Hand’, all those early ones. They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid.… But I just kept it to myself that I really dug them. Everybody else thought they were for the teeny-boppers, that they were gonna pass right away. But it was obvious to me that they had staying power. I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go.”
I see most of the people here completely misunderstood his statements. The music reflects the listeners, it is inherently political. Revolutionaries listen to music.
It was exactly that show of respect that Frank gave to me when I said his song, 'Brown Shoes Don't Make It,' was immoral. He debated with me about morality of lyrics for nearly half an hour and I was hooked. In fact, I ended up living and working in his house for three years 1968-1971 and wrote a book, the only one that gives Frank's home life, told from within.
@@paulinebutcherbird thank you for writing that book--I enjoyed it. It was refreshingly different from most of the stuff out there about FZ (and the original Mothers)
One thing missing in his amazing comment/opinion is the spectrum of artist to entertainer. The Osmonds were entertainers more than artists (imo and it's not a judgement nor am I suggesting they were "less than"), and Zappa was an artist more than entertainer. Pop music is full of wonderful artists and entertainers and you can be both (but being successful at both is rarer), but at the end of the day, those same marketers and record companies built some of these acts from the ground up, where others were simply "discovered" fully formed (not meaning they didn't evolved, but just that they already had their voice and look with little or no involvement from the record companies). Nothing wrong with either, though I'll admit I lean towards the artists who can entertain vs. the entertainers who have some artistry. Regardless, they got exposure from the record company machine and all had to deal with them. I think that is what Zappa is saying, though he didn't really answer her questions.
The Osmonds did a great album called Crazy Horses, which proved to be influential in the late Eighties. Paul Gilbert refers to it as a seminal influence. They were a bit more than just teen artists.
Frank Zappa displays his enormous intelligence, humor and cool here. Not sure what the point of the questions is, that rock wasn't causing political change? First off, rock started as good time music with a strong back beat, way different from the music of our elders, rebellious and wild. It was a revolution in and of itself. Nearly 7 decades later and it has gone through a lot of iterations, but anyone complaining that it doesn't speak to political ideas missed the 60's I guess, for that notion was everywhere back then, rock was the soundtrack for massive civil rights marches, anti war marches, lots of groups sang passionately about the changes that were needed, Dylan was all over it, and all of that music was on the radio. Sorry, no idea who the young lady is, may her identity be revealed to you. Thanks for the Frank video!
Unspeakable and utterly typical Boomer self-importance, believing that your twatty predilection for rock music had revolutionary political consequences. The men in suits didn't give two shits if 20,000 unwashed Jimi Hendrix aficionados were marching in front of the White House, and it had zero bearing on their decision-making.
That is exactly right. In 1967, Frank himself was commissioned to write a book about the political impact of rock on young Americans, but didn't, in the end write it. Perhaps you should!
Former adjunct music professor here. "Good time music with a strong back beat, way different from the music of our elders, rebellious and wild" could very easily be used to describe swing music of the 1930's. In fact, the drum set patterns that would later infuse rock and roll were invented back then. And even before that the jazz, blues, and "hillbilly" music of the 1920's was considered scandalous because the radio stations weren't supposed to be broadcasting that "vulgar" music. And if anyone doesn't understand that these styles of music were, in fact, political then I'd question their understanding of the topic. Jazz was both a "good time music music with a strong backbeat" and an integral part of the Harlem Renaissance. Hillbilly music was giving voice to the downtrodden white working class and blues was doing the same for the black working class, demographics that were basically considered invisible and inconsequential in polite American society.
@@southtxguitarist8926 Thank you for your comment which, combined with those of others on this thread, is giving me at any rate, a pleasant run-through of music's relationship with politics.
@@paulinebutcherbird Yes she listens, but only so that she can formulate another question/statement to undercut what he's saying. Her original question was about political revolutions, but she suddenly pivots to the youth of listeners and artists, which seemed off-topic from his description of how music makes its way to the airwaves. Her goal seemed to simply to be provocative. He was remarkably patient.
@@richardgrier8968 I agree with you, but it was this very aspect of Frank Zappa that jolted my interest in him when I suggested that his song, Brown Shoes Don't Make It was immoral. He discussed the morality of his lyrics and other topics for nearly half an hour. I was knocked out. In 1967, men took no notice of women generally and for him to listen to what I had to say and give it credence by reasonable answers was astonishing. I was hooked.
@@paulinebutcherbird I confess I had no idea who you were, but I just read your profile and I am impressed. Zappa, imo, was an extremely honest and authentic person.
Yes, I always found the way he listened so carefully to anything I said, and responded in a measured way, or would laugh heartily, very gratifying. I was hooked.
I am not a xylophone person but have to give Zappa credit for not falling into a typical catty response but relying on fact, seeing the panel is dumb and moderately sensationist.
@@paulinebutcherbird I was referring to the first part of his testimony (i.e., before the Q&A). His delivery didn't seem very Frank Zappa-ish (laconic, laid-back). Presumably feeling the weight of the limited time he had to speak, he rushed through a written speech (never looking up or pausing the entire time) that primarily seemed intent on impressing the audience that it was ridiculous that he even had to be there giving testimony -- i.e., that the absurdity of the topic and any intended action regarding it should have been self-evident to all -- while punctuating it with cleverness that clearly wasn't going to be appreciated by the people it was directed at.
This reflects the naivete of the era -- including Frank's. I've lived long enough to realize a person who grew up listening to The Osmonds or The Jackson Five may wind up being more radical in actual terms than someone who listened to Frank Zappa. Being cynical is easy -- any adolescent can pull that off. But showing up day after day to tutor the illiterate, feed the hungry, put together tedious well documented testimony that leads to actual legislative change -- that takes commitment. Someone who listened to "Just Like a Yo Yo" may be more likely to be doing all that hard work than someone who listened to "Joe's Garage." Lots of independent promoters, radio folks, etc. and so on in the ole days could be just as predatory as the corporate overlords. The only truly radical people are the ones who practice the Golden Rule every day, not people who Rage Against the Machine as they take an Uber home from the show instead of a taxi that provides an immigrant breadwinner a living wage job.
Love Frank's music (and the Jackson Five's), but I've always had a problem with the way Frank overly generalizes. He consistently categorizes and places people firmly inside very specific boxes that he feels predict, and even dictate, all of their thoughts and behaviors. It's his own little way of ordering the universe.
@@pkmcburroughs Great way of summing him up. I've found this is true of artists many times -- their lives are based on inspiration and flow and randomness but I've noticed many are drawn to planned economics, leftism, etc. (all the while not showing up for the meetings ...). I think you nailed it when you noted it was his way of ordering the Universe -- we all have those tendencies. Artists, because they're creating, almost have an inherent God-like need to shape their mental view of the world into something like their songs, their paintings, their poems. But the reality of politics is it's pretty mundane and pedestrian much of the time and sometimes you can actually move the needle on progress more with a bake sale at your local school, where everyone is talking to one another, than a rally on a college campus where windows get smashed and the only "change" is the overtime paid to the janitors cleaning up the mess.
You make a very compelling and well-argued point. I agree with you, it is easy to be cynical and much more work to be genuine... and there's no question (in my mind) as to which of the two will find more fulfillment in life. Have a good day.
Monday Conference (1971 - 1979), Australian debate forum. One interviewer and one guest. The rest of the people are described as randomly people selected from the audience which are suppose to represent a cross section of society. You didn't answer your own question a year ago, did you? Jen Jewel Brown?
You are not the first to make this point and I did edit the title and took out the word 'female' but somehow the strength went out of it, so I put it back in.
What are political slogans if not a poetic, lyrical attempt at communication. Lyricism is an important tool in gaining attention and piercing consciousness. Most left wing revolutionary movements are predicated on chanting slogans.
@@budweiser600 I don't know who you mean by 'you'. I am the person who posted this thread, and we are talking most of the time about this unidentified woman and Frank Zappa.
It seems to me that he either missed her point or avoided it. Her first question was an extremely interesting one. Effectively: is rock music poltical? He talked about the economics and marketing of rock, but not its inherent political content.
He actually did. When she reframed it to suggest the idea that there cant be any sort of political revolution without the accompaniment or music, to which he answered no, not nececarally. More that rock music what a conduit in reflection the general state of that mass population etc...
Hi Pauline, just to let you know: it's possible to edit the title after you've uploaded the video. Thanks for the upload, Frank is interesting as usual.
Molly Meldrum- Australian music critic and journalist would know. He is in his eighties now but would most probably have been there or would know something about it.
@@paulinebutcherbird yes, Ian “Molly” Meldrum is a famous personality in Australia that had a music TV programme Countdown (74-87) He interviewed all the stars of the day and was on a first name basis with all of them.
Shot in the dark, could this be Kerry-Anne Kennerly(Wright)? I was trying a reverse image search after brightening the video still and one of the results was her, who hosted the show in the late 90's. I'm no good at faces, especially with a tv monitor. Again just a stab. Frank Zapply I think anyone on that stage was cherry picked for some reason or another. I'm not really fond of google reverse image searches, they tend to be way off but what are the odds one of the results came from the same show 26 years later or so?
I know you can't post pictures on here but you could add a link. I've looked her up on google images and even in her young days she's still glammed up. There appears to be no images of her in a hippy-style as here. So that's my reservation despite facially looking similar.
@@paulinebutcherbird It is not the person they suggest above. In no way, shape or form. And you're right, that person they mention has been glammed up their whole career.
I hope you understand the difficulty of this search. Monday Conference seemingly used participants "from the community", which means she may be neither journalist nor any kind of public person, but just a random private person. Add to this that we only have a low resolution, black and white taping of a show that only aired in one part of the world over half a century ago. Anyone who worked on this show is now upwards of 70 years old or dead - including her. The only way I think you could find her is by getting into direct contact with people who were involved with the show, or getting incredibly lucky and having someone who knows her personally stumble across this. I'm not saying it's hopeless. I remember a few years back people managed to identify some random girl who appeared for a few seconds in the iconic live recording of soviet song "На заре", I think by finding a living relative. But that search also had a lot more people behind it.
Sadly, I think you're right! And most likely a university student rather than a journalist. But I'll let this thread roll. It seems to be popular even without knowing who she is. I'm still hopeful though.
@@salomesandroshvili5364 Me, too. And a happy life, as I'm beginning to think she has not been around for some time. Very odd that no one recognises her. I seem to vaguely recollect there is a google face image search. Do you know anything about that?
All good art is revolutionary- meant to describe what can’t be described otherwise. The rest is craft- designed to appeal to audiences in certain ways and sell product.
They're asking the dumbest most magazine rant bait questions imaginable about the music industry and he's just explaining to them like they're children how the music industry works
She was being a bit arrogant or "intelectual", as so many journalists are, but you got to think of the context. At the time, it had been 6 years since Sgt Pepper, and Psychadelic/Progressive Rock was at it's highest peak, mainstream music was accepted as having a very challenging instrumentation, form, and message. Jackson 5, and many others, were definately not challenging anything, compared to them, in THAT regard. In hindsight, as pop/soul music goes, all those bands, including even white bands like Carpenters etc, are 100.000 miles ahead of whatever trite is being made today, and it will only get worse with AI.
I believe her question was basically (paraphrasing): isn’t it a bit silly to ascribe political significance to rock music (or to any particular type of music presumably)? A very good question that Frank perhaps didn’t quite understand, perhaps because she asked it in a bit of a roundabout way.
songs have always had political significance. do you not understand the history of music? or perhaps you ascribe the dubious freedom of there being a variety of popular music, a phenomenon little more an a 100 years old, to all of musical history, hmm? anthems, hymns, songs praising tribal/national heroes and leaders, and children's rhymes written with intention to terrify the tots into obedience, were all we had for millennia, and all of them were very political. deathly political, quite often. wouldn't want to be singing the wrong song at a football match back in the day, especially if you were an away fan. that's just one example of how political most songs can become, even when they're not as obviously intended to be as say, anthems are. yes, team rivalries do fall under the aegis of political themes.
Obviously particular songs can be political. But does an entire genre of music, e.g. rock, necessarily have political significance? I believe that’s the notion she was pushing back against, comparing it to the way Hollywood movies use music in a cliched way to emotionally manipulate the audience.
That's the city I live in btw. If she's from Adelaide then surely someone of her generation in her industry will know her. Adelaide isn't a very large city, and it was much smaller in 1973.
Why do you think that? The original of this event from this clip is taken from is Monday Conference Australia 1973 Robert Moore and it was filmed in Sydney in June.
@@allotrope2978 I was wrong too and I've edited. The show was filmed in Sydney in June on the Monday Conference Australia 1973 Robert Moore show. No, 'bad' at all. Maybe the Adelaide interview is on TH-cam and you could post it?
No. Jen Brown was not at this show, but she had met Frank just prior to it. I would like to know who this woman was. Jen came on my FB page and said it was not her but she was nice about it.
In the era of this interview, the ability to produce and sell entertainment was hinged upon distribution. Radio stations were the chief advertisement outlet for many record labels and were key to the amount of money made from 1950 to 1995. After 1996 when Congress butted in, along with the internet, the availability of unique and interesting new music dwindled to a trickle and has since vanished. The industry has been forming statistics on trends and styles for almost a century and now dictate what is heard by the consumer. Music is no longer and art form. It's a commodity to be consumed and has become quite homogenous, for the most part. It won't be long before all styles merge into one and all performers will act, dress, and speak the same because they will be paid actors to do so while AI generates all the sound. Concerts will become glorified karaoke at best, full on holographic nonsense at worst. The only good thing that will come of all this is that great music will be returned to where it began: local and live. Long live rock 'n roll.
Very funny. It reminds me of the time when I told my mother over the phone that I was going to work for Frank Zappa, and she said with scorn, 'Frank Zappa! Now if it was Frank Sinatra, that would be different.'
@@seanconlon2408 you presume without actual evidence. livings could be made from music, but profiteering from music is a very recent development, relatively speaking.
When I asked Frank when he started composing music he said when he was 18. I said, 'as old as that? Mozart started when he was four,' and he said, 'Yeah, but he lived in Austria. Where I grew up they were playing 'How Much Is that Doggie in the Window' which is not a huge musical heritage on which to draw.'
This is just a respectful, genuine conversation. Both people actually believe what they are saying, and they being nice to each other. Sorry, I don't know who she is though.
I agree with you. Strange, in this day and age of media, no one knows of her. Perhaps she's no longer alive. She would be in her 70s now if she was 20+ then.
Where has my reply gone? I agree with you it was a respecful conversation but that's what knocked me sideways when I met Frank, told him Brown Shoes was immoral and he debated with me for nearly half an hour. I was hooked. Back to the girl, perhaps she's no longer alive? If she was 20 in 1973, she would be 70+ today, and so many have died.
Hi Pauline. I am working on finding out who the young lady is. If anyone will know, I know the person that will have the definitive answer. Stay tuned.
@@paulinebutcherbird Okay, Spoke the Australian aficionado everything Zappa. He tells me that it was probably some journalist from a magazine that was underground, but he is researching.
@@bwana-ma-coo-bah425 Fingers crossed. Of course they all look like university students and perhaps those three on the stage were from the university newspaper?
@@paulinebutcherbird I am not sure if they were university students, however I did notice that all of the people were firing questions at him and really didn't allow Frank to answer the questions in full . I have asked some people in the industry and they are now looking to find out. The question I asked the Australian aficionado everything Zappa is perplexed and is doing further research.
I think you're correct, but when I changed the word 'challenged' to 'questioned' in the title, it lost some of its strength, so I put it back! At least it brought you on to comment.
Just reading through some of the comments below and wanted to add a little information from the research that I've been able to do. This episode of Monday Conference aired on July 2, 1973 according to the Sydney Morning Herald. From what I've been able to gather, it was filmed in Sydney (possibly the ballroom of the Sydney Hilton Hotel) by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
I'm not sure about the filming location now that I'm looking at his tour dates. He was in Melbourne just a couple of days before this aired and had a concert in Adelaide on July 4. If it wasn't aired live then he could have filmed it while he was in Sydney a few days earlier.
@@paulinebutcherbird Glad I can help. She was an Australian music journalist who wrote Lillian Roxon's Rock Encyclopedia. I haven't been able to verify that this is her and I do have some doubts because she had spent the last several years following the music scene in NYC but she could have easily travelled back to Australia during this time. She died in New York on August 10, 1973 of a severe asthma attack. I don't know a lot about her either but she was apparently very well respected in the field and had a major impact on music journalism. I'm in the US so I'm a little limited in what information is available to me. Apparently the National Library of Australia has transcripts of most of the Monday Conference episodes. Not sure if they include the names of the panel journalists, though. catalogue.nla.gov.au/catalog/214087
Frank Zappa's music only influenced my friends and I to be cynical and hate our peers when we were young. As I got older I would have an uneasy feeling after listening to albums like "We're Only In It..". His music is beautiful a lot of the time but it's ruined whenever he starts singing about a particular person or group he doesn't like. Songs like "Bobby Brown" just come off as projection and jealousy and doesn't change anything. I'd rather listen to The Beatles these days.
@@juanmanuellinares3083 Yes and no. It is baffling that such a gentle man could write songs like Magdalena, Enema Bandit, Bamboozled by Love etc, and makes one wonder. Then the beautiful music comes along, and it doesn't matter.
Frank Zappa's early albums were deliberately aimed at young minds and from there he built his base. As he went on, he seems to become more and more contentious and I too find some of his songs unpleasant and, as you say, one searches elsewhere. But it's hard to beat a melody like Water Melon in Easter Hay.
@@paulinebutcherbird Frank was about freedom of speech.. and making sure expression was alive an well .. he also said theres plenty of other lyrical music out there if you don't like his ..
It seems like a lot of people think she's Australian. I think that she might actually be south african. I've seen stuff coming out of tokai and fishoek and Constantia that strongly resembles her from that part of history. I was not alive in 1973 but I've been told in south Africa and Zimbabwe is that before Nelson Mandel went to jail they were giving med school places to white women instead of any black people because de clerk wanted to make sure no black person was in a delivery room during the birth of a white child, and a handful of white women got arrested a couple of years before this interview and ended up leaving Capetown for Sydney to avoid jail and a couple worked as music journalists for a while. That's all I was told . Maybe she went back to med school and forgot all about zappa.
Interesting theory. Are people able to get TH-cam in South Africa, do you know. Would they likely see this video? I don't think Zappa played in South Africa but I could be wrong.
@@paulinebutcherbird out of curiosity have you heard of Trevor noah? Also I didn't mean to imply or write that the film itself took place in south Africa as there were people in the uk organizing trips from stellenbosch to Sydney throughout the 1970s.
@@TrrsnSmrg No, I have not heard of Trevor Noah? Who was he? My world, when I lived and worked in Frank Zappa's house was very enclosed. It was as hard for me to get out as others to get in.
@@joesphschramm3754 Yes, and lived in his house. I met Frank in London and, long story short, ended up - me, a straight English girl - working in the middle of 1968 Laurel Canyon, the centre of rock and roll at that time. I write about it in my memoir, 'Freak Out! My Life with Frank Zappa Laurel Canyon 1968-1971.' It has very good reviews.
I wonder what he would think of all the stuff being produced today. At least back then all those musicians had to use real instruments and no autotune.
@@paulinebutcherbird Yes, that is the video I saw. If my memory serves me correct, he did mention that it made it easier for him to write music, because he could play the notes and it was and could be transcribed to paper. Now, I am old and my memory is not what it used to be, so I am doing all of this from my old buffoon memory. 🤣😉
@@jakob8884 Demographics play a huge role in politics. As with much of the full interview, I think he had more he was planning to say, but was interrupted by another question.
@@paulinebutcherbird It think this is the show on Four Corners: "PAYOLA: Records are a money-spinning business - but how much spin off is there to promote them. In Britain and America there are allegations of payola involving call girls, sex orgies, blackmail and drugs. Were pop singers Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix victims of the new pop cult - drugola? This week, following a new investigation in Australia Four Corners speaks to artists, Disc Jockeys and promoters on the subject of Payola. Includes interviews with: Mr. John Laws, Disc Jockey; Dr. Beh, Senior Lecturer, Sydney University; Mr. Ron Tudor, Record Publisher; Mr. McNamarra, Manager of Edels Record Shop; Frank Zappa, Pop singer and Johnny O'Keefe, Pop singer. (Taken from programme record held by NFSA Doc. Coll.)" That might be journalist Caroline Jones. She was a "presenter" on the show at that time.
@@William1866 the show is Monday Conference Australia 1973 "Frank Zappa TV Interview- Monday Conference Australia 1973 Robert Moore" th-cam.com/video/wTLOsoMMDuE/w-d-xo.html She looks and sounds (from the tone and content of her question) like a feminist commo university student / activist, the broadcaster the ABC (fully taxpayer funded) planted her to get the gotcha answer from Frank which did not come true because Frank knew more about the question than she did! its not Caroline Jones she had more rounder eyes
In the long version of this panel interview, she is described by the host only as "one of the women", at the 11 minute mark. She has what appears to be a name badge but it's illegible. th-cam.com/video/wTLOsoMMDuE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Baf1d_J8odD3E-77
What is puzzling is that this video has been shared more than any others of mine so you would think someone would know who she is. Perhaps it's not reaching Australia. Any idea how I could do that?
@@pawelpap9 No. Besides FZ being noted for not ever being "on" anything but cigarettes, coffee, and women, what he's saying makes sense. You can disagree with it, but it makes sense. A leads to B leads to C, and so forth. It's far from drugged-out rambling.
@@Baribrotzer I don't think Frank here was necessarily judging people who do listen to the Osmonds, just stating the facts about how radio worked back then.
@@edlawn5481 I was answering the guy (@pawelpap9) who thought that the interviewer might think FZ was "on" something, and was pointing out that Frank never sounded like he was high. He always made sense, even if you disagreed with his conclusions.
@@paulinebutcherbird silly shot in the dark on my behalf and obviously way off the mark. Sorry. I hope she's still around though. Lovely confident lady, not at all starstruck. I'm sure Frank appreciated.
I looked her up on Google images and she has dark hair, even when young. If I thought it was her I would send this video to her, but I don't think it is.
@@paulinebutcherbirdI'm australian. it doesn't look much like her. and she'd have to be in her early thirties to be margaret here - this lady looks much younger
Jen Brown. Gudinksi worker. It was a great question, and a reasonably educated answer. He never stated if he agrees with it, he just said that this is the way it is.
What is fascinating on this thread is that people have interpreted the exchange between this young woman and Frank in so many different ways. I think it shows what a slippery slope understanding speech can be.
This is Jen Jewel Brown, a music journalist from Australia that specifically covered counter culture music. At the time this was recorded she worked for the counter-culture music magazine, Daily Planet. She started working there when she was 19.
I thought it was Jen Jewel Brown too and originally posted this thread saying so, but she has come on either here or on my FB page saying it is not her! Why did you think it was her?
@@paulinebutcherbird The year this was filmed, her appearance, and the fact her question is centered around counter-culture music.
Another person suggested Lillian Roxon, however she had shorter hair, and I believe she had already passed away before this interview was filmed. Lillian Roxon was 40 in 73, and passed away August 11th.
This woman looks fairly young, which was another reason I thought it was Jen Jewel Brown.
@@My-Name-Isnt-Important Certainly it was on this trip to Australia that Frank met Jen Brown which is why I made the wrong conclusion. I agree with you about Lillian Roxon. Baffling as to why no one who knew this woman personally has not come forward. Are they all dead? 🫤
Whoever she is/was, she seems intelligent enough to at least have a conversation w/ Frank, which is a lot more than you can say about the idiots on that Senate committee associated w/ the Parents Music Research Council who Frank just BLISTERED.
@@mcjazzer As was my own experience when I first met Frank and said that Brown Shoes Don't Make It was immoral. He debated with me on the issue of the morality of lyrics for nearly half an hour. That was my 'in'.
She didn't challenge, she merely stood their ground as did Frank.
That's how conversation between intelligent people works, or at least used to
It's how my relationship with Frank began when I said Brown Shoes Don't Make It is immoral.
Most extremely intelligent people are highly aware that the vast majority of what we perceive as the truth is subjective. It's never about changing the opinion of the one you debate, it's about making strong points, reflecting on other's arguments, and perhaps learning from one another.
Title should read “Frank Zappa gets asked a question and replies”
Hmmmmm.
Right. But we all came here caught by that click-bait....😁
@@alessandrorossini8704 It seems to work!
Many people have complained about the word 'female' included in the title, so I edited it out, but then it lost its lustre so I put it back in.
She asked him about politics, and he responded with economics. Guy cut to the heart of the matter: marketing product.
I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't unusual to find such intelligent conversations on TV shows, no need for flashing lights, funny voices, or scripts written in baby talk by marketing teams. Whether or not one agrees with any of the speakers, it's a show by grownups made for grownups. Yeah, there was lots of garbage TV in those days as well, but where today in the open cultural sewer that TV has become would you even find something like this? I'm glad at least some memories of this time are being preserved online.
Agree wholeheartedly.
She had good questions. Frank had good answers. Interesting discussion, which answers the general question "Why is there so much crap on the radio/TV/Internet?"
Quite right
Frank was not only ahead of his time musically, he was an insightful intellectual who understood the real politics behind the business - and the world in general.
@@Gaming-Shedin your opinion, which me and millions of other people would disagree with.
@@Gaming-Shed typical jackson five listener answer
@@ButternoteBackingTracks There's always one in every video featuring Zappa. They can't wait to crap on his music.
@@richardgrier8968we're all entitled to voice our opinion and I don't have a problem as long as it's presented as such 😉
@@ButternoteBackingTracks I agree. However, "His music was crap though" comes across as a declaration of fact rather opinion. "I don't like his music, though" is an opinion.
i don't think of zappa as a genius so much as i see a very thoughtful, knowledgeable, educated man.
Exactly. We throw around the word genius way too often.
@@SillyGoose2024Well he did have the temarity to call out coming fascist theocracy in the USA in the 80s.
Here we are 40 yrs later going down that road.
@@bobbafett1849 That doesn't make him a genius, of course.
Well, his IQ qualified him as genius level. Although I was never a hardcore fan, his impressive body of work qualifies at least as much.
@@GCKelloch IQ has nothing to do with creative genius. Some serial killers had high IQs.
We miss Frank Zappa.
That girl might think Zappa is a real man, but she will be shocked once she realises he's a muffin..
She hung around, until she found that she didn't know nothing...
Frank was so much more savvy and well informed than just about any other musician. He could see through the business-end BS and the creative-end BS.
Agree with all of that though I might put it more politely!
Looks like she asks a good question (about a revolution without musical accompaniment) that he doesn't clearly answer except that music can correspond to the mood of a particular audience (and perhaps inspire them?) She's articulate and focused, but seems to be careful in her approach. Nothing bad meant about Zappa, just complementing the woman. Maybe they need a clear definition of "revolution" that they can both address.
Valid point.
@@paulinebutcherbird Thank you.
This was great. Thanks
I hope you've seen my correction that this is not Jen Brown, but whoever she is, your comment is appreciated.
@@paulinebutcherbird thanks for the clarification. No problem. Great post.
I have had a letter from the National Library of Australia to whom I wrote asking for help to identify this woman. They say that in their transcript of the event she is identified as 'Woman'. 'This leads me to believe,' Miriam Covell writes, 'that the woman is a member of the audience invited to ask a question, there is no reference to her being a journalist.'
So my latest view is that she was a student. My only hope now is with the company who broadcast the Robert Moore show on Monday conference Monday 2 July 1973 at the Australian Broadcasting Association in Sydney. Anyone in Australia able to help?
You notice how civil this was . She asked a question, she wasnt trying to trip him up, she wasn't trying to say "got ya" or anything thing like that she just asked a valid question and he gave a valid answer.
It was that very fact that hooked me on to Frank Zappa when he employed me to take down the lyrics of Absolutely Free when he was in London. I did so but told him I thought the lyrics of Brown Shoes Don't Make It were immoral. He debated with me for nearly half an hour in the same measured way as he does here, and I was knocked out. Long story short, I ended up living and working in his house in Hollywood for three years. Frank encouraged me to write about it and I did, if you're interested.
A time when civility between civilians prevailed.
Frank breaks it down, and it remains consistent….
@@paulinebutcherbird
I want to buy your book.
@@christopherpetersen9956 Ah! That's nice of you,Christopher, and set me smiling, so thank you. It's available on amazon or I can send you a signed copy but if you're in America or elsewhere abroad from UK, postage is more than the cost of the book as I send them 'tracked'.
Don't mess with Frank. There's a genius lurking under that long hair and mustache.
@@michaelthomas366 he was not infaillible
Very 60's counter culture questions...Frank Zappa just gets cooler the more you know.
If you would like to know more such as Frank's daily life not shown in other books, from getting up to going to bed, composing and rehearsing with the Mothers, visiting rock stars, freaks, family squabbles, and more, then try 'Freak Out! My Life with Frank Zappa Laurel Canyon 1968-1971'.
Thanks Pauline! 😊
I hope that means you've seen my correction. So annoyed with myself.
The person is Jen Jewel Brown. Source of proof is the footnote (ii) in the Ahmet Zappa interview on the "zappanews" page.
I'm checking this out and will get back to you.
@@paulinebutcherbird The interview from Monday 5th February 2018.
@@stefanmatthias Interview between whom? Between Andrew Greenaway and Ahmet Zappa? I'm waiting to hear from Andrew. I don't think he was referring to this woman in this video in that footnote, because he was the first person to question if it was in fact Jen Jewel Brown on here when I posted this thread and asked if this was Jen Jewel Brown. I have since changed the title.
@@paulinebutcherbird
I'm very much hoping we find out who she was/is.
@@rooruffneck Me, too, but I confess to not understanding why this thread has stimulated so much interest. Is it just to find out who she is/was?
I can't imagine a world where many different types of music are available on radio stations, for my entire life it's been the same 50 songs repeated ad nauseum.
In what country do you live?
@@paulinebutcherbird the USA
Are you saying the radio stations today have less variety? Why would you listen to radio today when there is so much stuff you can listen to elsewhere?
Yep. Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish in every goddamn gas station, grocery store, auto body shop, mall, restaurant... it never ends. I honestly wish I could go places where there isn't any music.playing for once. Like just enjoy the silence and then get an earworm of music I actually like at my own discretion.
The sad thing is that Frank doesn't realize he is very critical of Rock's golden years. He has no idea how bad it would get in later decades 😅😅 I love Frank, but he did sound like a pretentious sob at times😊
'A pretentious sob' - first time I've read that one. I agree with you and also when he criticised culture in America as if it didn't exist. Just because countries in Europe and elsewhere have been making music and art for centuries, he gave them higher credit and ignored the influence of jazz, fashion, fiction, films and so on that has come out of America in the past 200 years. I would have challenged him about this if I had been the interviewer.
@paulinebutcherbird I guess no one dared challenge him, the guru with an acid tongue... Although he's right to criticize some aspects of society then, the drugs and commercial television media boom, just like Jim Morrison did, he also had a lot of disdain for many of his contemporaries, some who probably appreciated his work. He was a phenomenal guitar player, and produced a few great albums.
I sincerely love him, but why spit on the Beatles for example, who really were NOT "in it for the money" as he said. Lou Reed also despised many of his great contemporaries. My point is that radio stations were quite diverse at the time. It's gotten much, much worse in the 1990s, as depicted and documented by Rick Beato recently on his TH-cam channel. He showed what a real ma f ia it became since the mid 90s, producing uniformity of formats and sounds like never before...
@@movid Agreed.
The blonde is Jen Jewel Brown.
Yes, I think you're correct!
WhiteCamry, Do you refer to the person asking the questions? If so, it's not. Jen Jewel Brown said it was not her. Or do you refer to one of the others on the stage?
Correct, it's her.
@@stefanmatthias Do you mean it's Jen Brown? It's not! Jen Brown has denied it is her. Why would she do that? It doesn''t look like Jen Brown. I have photographs but I can't post them on here.
Seems like Frank always wanted to make a biting, dead honest comment with his music and was very critical but that was good! I think he was in his way a big hearted person. He strived to be the best he could be and for what he believed in with a tremendous work ethic, the highest artistic standards and he gave lots of opportunites for other musicians to shine. A collaborative artist. Poor Frank - he died too young. Chain smoking probably didnt help. I loved st alfonso’s pancake - father oblivion. But a few of the pure guitar solo ones were so damn magical - like black napkins- and watermelons - that one was so good it still makes me cry. so much feeling! But I also loved jackson five so go figure! This interview was really cool. The lady clearly dug him.
I agree with all of that except I rarely play Water Melon because I'm afraid by doing so, I will dull its magic.
Popular music is, by it's nature, more about fashion than artistic expression.
Hmmm.
when it comes to meanstream, it's more or less the case. It still tells something about the general mindset of society, which is what Frank is saying
@@boxonothing4087 Indeed.
She made a relatively simple question sound very complicated. Frank was clearer with his answers than she was with the question!
A TH-cam video uploaded to ask a question but also it's just an interesting TH-cam video in its own right is an interesting thing to come across
Thank you, Abby, but when I edited this section from the main, hour-long program, I had no idea it would nurture the following it's had, 90,000 views on TH-cam after one month. How to explain? I wish my book would get as big a following!
@@paulinebutcherbird Hi Pauline, I think the reason your book won't get the traction it deserves is because it is about Frank Zappa. The music industry and radio shunned Frank, I think it is because he knew the difference between kneeling down and bending over. ( jeez I hope you found that funny) He was banned from "mainstream" radio, yet had the album Apostrophe go straight to number 10 first week in, on Billboard top what ever at the time. However Frank was always sought after for his opinion. Go figure. On a side note have started reading the second release of your book. FK, you are a terrific writer. Very easy to follow. The book has been sitting on the coffee table. My wife has been looking at the book and she is an avid reader. She knew the book wasn't going to walk over to her so she walked over and picked it up herself. She is half way through the book. She has the impression that you were in awe of him, and, rightly so, she also thinks there was more than affection for him. Your book has been received well in Australia. There is an Australian Frank aficionado, and he tells me to pass on to you, it is the best Zappa book he has ever read and thinks it should be done as an audio book.💋
@@bwana-ma-coo-bah425 I'm moved by your comment. Thank you. I do hope your wife will pass the book on to other women because I think it also works as a coming-of-age story of a straight English girl thrust into the centre of rock and roll Laurel Canyon in 1968. And of course there was more than just affection from Frank. He was a serial sexual predator (like all rock stars at that time) so that must have been part of his mind when he invited me over - so your wife is correct. Finally, an audio version is available, read by Emma Gregory, an English actress who amazingly gets Frank and Gail and the others extremely well, available on Audible from Amazon.
@@paulinebutcherbird Oh WOW!! I will pass that information on so the older folk can get a copy. I also think the way it is written could very easily be made into film. Something to consider. Have you considered getting in contact with the Arf Society in Germany? They are very helpful.
@@bwana-ma-coo-bah425 There was a young company who tried to raise funds to make a film but failed. What would the Arf Society do?
I'd say she probed him instead of challenged him.
Oh, well.
The shots of the band at the end are of the lineup with Ponty from the early Seventies. So that might help fix the date.
This video is a section from a longer program on Australian television in 1973. It is stated elsewhere on this thread whose program it was.
"always been groups...like the Beatles...." 🤣
Yea, listen to Beatles pre revolver, and tell me that they made challenging music, compared to what came after Sgt Pepper (and some of Revolver/Rubber Soul).
the 'always been' is something that rubs me the wrong way, the arrogance of that generation, as in always he means as far back as 1940s, which was not a long time ago, i can picture all the war generation just laughing at these young people.
@@Soundeagle3456 I was laughing because he lumped the Beatles in with pop bands. 😝
@@MiguelBaptista1981 I'm pasting what Bob Dylan has said about early Beatles: "We were driving through Colorado, we had the radio on, and eight of the top ten songs were Beatles songs…’I Want to Hold Your Hand’, all those early ones. They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid.… But I just kept it to myself that I really dug them. Everybody else thought they were for the teeny-boppers, that they were gonna pass right away. But it was obvious to me that they had staying power. I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go.”
His 1971 london Assault......Made Frank even More Serious..
He was healing here..
Valid point.
Funnily enough, this is still the exact issue today
I see most of the people here completely misunderstood his statements.
The music reflects the listeners, it is inherently political.
Revolutionaries listen to music.
Perhaps add that some of it is political in essence, where there is none in a song like 'Love Me Do.'
F.V.Z .speaks very respectfully and consideratlely with those less enlightened.
It was exactly that show of respect that Frank gave to me when I said his song, 'Brown Shoes Don't Make It,' was immoral. He debated with me about morality of lyrics for nearly half an hour and I was hooked. In fact, I ended up living and working in his house for three years 1968-1971 and wrote a book, the only one that gives Frank's home life, told from within.
@@paulinebutcherbird thank you for writing that book--I enjoyed it. It was refreshingly different from most of the stuff out there about FZ (and the original Mothers)
@@MikeHarris-nt3xc Thank you, Mike, for reading it and letting me know.
@@paulinebutcherbird incredible! Lucky you!
@@jesseimpersonal Give you're so literate, why not read it yourself?
She is asking intelligent questions. Few American panelists/guests are to found with such legitimate inquiries.
I thought so too. Strange that no one has come forward to say who she is.
@@paulinebutcherbird She's a nobody FFS!
One thing missing in his amazing comment/opinion is the spectrum of artist to entertainer. The Osmonds were entertainers more than artists (imo and it's not a judgement nor am I suggesting they were "less than"), and Zappa was an artist more than entertainer. Pop music is full of wonderful artists and entertainers and you can be both (but being successful at both is rarer), but at the end of the day, those same marketers and record companies built some of these acts from the ground up, where others were simply "discovered" fully formed (not meaning they didn't evolved, but just that they already had their voice and look with little or no involvement from the record companies). Nothing wrong with either, though I'll admit I lean towards the artists who can entertain vs. the entertainers who have some artistry. Regardless, they got exposure from the record company machine and all had to deal with them. I think that is what Zappa is saying, though he didn't really answer her questions.
The Osmonds did a great album called Crazy Horses, which proved to be influential in the late Eighties. Paul Gilbert refers to it as a seminal influence. They were a bit more than just teen artists.
@@Hasil2 Spot On! Crazy Horses the song covered by the Alex Harvey Band!
Frank Zappa displays his enormous intelligence, humor and cool here. Not sure what the point of the questions is, that rock wasn't causing political change? First off, rock started as good time music with a strong back beat, way different from the music of our elders, rebellious and wild. It was a revolution in and of itself. Nearly 7 decades later and it has gone through a lot of iterations, but anyone complaining that it doesn't speak to political ideas missed the 60's I guess, for that notion was everywhere back then, rock was the soundtrack for massive civil rights marches, anti war marches, lots of groups sang passionately about the changes that were needed, Dylan was all over it, and all of that music was on the radio. Sorry, no idea who the young lady is, may her identity be revealed to you. Thanks for the Frank video!
Unspeakable and utterly typical Boomer self-importance, believing that your twatty predilection for rock music had revolutionary political consequences. The men in suits didn't give two shits if 20,000 unwashed Jimi Hendrix aficionados were marching in front of the White House, and it had zero bearing on their decision-making.
@@pruneface90 Zero-bearing on whose decision-making? A pretty hostile response to jesseimpersonal's very measured comment.
That is exactly right. In 1967, Frank himself was commissioned to write a book about the political impact of rock on young Americans, but didn't, in the end write it. Perhaps you should!
Former adjunct music professor here. "Good time music with a strong back beat, way different from the music of our elders, rebellious and wild" could very easily be used to describe swing music of the 1930's. In fact, the drum set patterns that would later infuse rock and roll were invented back then. And even before that the jazz, blues, and "hillbilly" music of the 1920's was considered scandalous because the radio stations weren't supposed to be broadcasting that "vulgar" music. And if anyone doesn't understand that these styles of music were, in fact, political then I'd question their understanding of the topic. Jazz was both a "good time music music with a strong backbeat" and an integral part of the Harlem Renaissance. Hillbilly music was giving voice to the downtrodden white working class and blues was doing the same for the black working class, demographics that were basically considered invisible and inconsequential in polite American society.
@@southtxguitarist8926 Thank you for your comment which, combined with those of others on this thread, is giving me at any rate, a pleasant run-through of music's relationship with politics.
The interviewer seemed more interested in making a statement than getting an answer from Frank.
I partly agree with that but she does seem to take an interest in most of what he's saying.
@@paulinebutcherbird Yes she listens, but only so that she can formulate another question/statement to undercut what he's saying. Her original question was about political revolutions, but she suddenly pivots to the youth of listeners and artists, which seemed off-topic from his description of how music makes its way to the airwaves. Her goal seemed to simply to be provocative. He was remarkably patient.
@@richardgrier8968 I agree with you, but it was this very aspect of Frank Zappa that jolted my interest in him when I suggested that his song, Brown Shoes Don't Make It was immoral. He discussed the morality of his lyrics and other topics for nearly half an hour. I was knocked out. In 1967, men took no notice of women generally and for him to listen to what I had to say and give it credence by reasonable answers was astonishing. I was hooked.
@@paulinebutcherbird I confess I had no idea who you were, but I just read your profile and I am impressed. Zappa, imo, was an extremely honest and authentic person.
@@richardgrier8968I thought their dialogue was very interesting.
He looked handsome, particularly his eyes as he's thinking, and he spoke in an eloquent manner.
Agreed.
eloquent yes, but he is respectfully hideous , and made his music more shocking, he was not the every day joe, he was the antagonist.
Yes, I always found the way he listened so carefully to anything I said, and responded in a measured way, or would laugh heartily, very gratifying. I was hooked.
How can you be respectfully hideous?
Monday Conference Australia 1973 Robert Moore
Melbourne, I believe.
Very Well Said Frank ! Basically, know your target audience.
I am not a xylophone person but have to give Zappa credit for not falling into a typical catty response but relying on fact, seeing the panel is dumb and moderately sensationist.
That was his strength, I think.
@@paulinebutcherbird Yes! And thanks for posting!
I was surprised by how nervous Zappa appeared when he testified re: censorship before a Congressional committee.
@@mkq77 I'm astonished at your comment. I thought Frank showed his normal confidence in himself against tough questioning.
@@paulinebutcherbird I was referring to the first part of his testimony (i.e., before the Q&A). His delivery didn't seem very Frank Zappa-ish (laconic, laid-back). Presumably feeling the weight of the limited time he had to speak, he rushed through a written speech (never looking up or pausing the entire time) that primarily seemed intent on impressing the audience that it was ridiculous that he even had to be there giving testimony -- i.e., that the absurdity of the topic and any intended action regarding it should have been self-evident to all -- while punctuating it with cleverness that clearly wasn't going to be appreciated by the people it was directed at.
This reflects the naivete of the era -- including Frank's. I've lived long enough to realize a person who grew up listening to The Osmonds or The Jackson Five may wind up being more radical in actual terms than someone who listened to Frank Zappa. Being cynical is easy -- any adolescent can pull that off. But showing up day after day to tutor the illiterate, feed the hungry, put together tedious well documented testimony that leads to actual legislative change -- that takes commitment. Someone who listened to "Just Like a Yo Yo" may be more likely to be doing all that hard work than someone who listened to "Joe's Garage." Lots of independent promoters, radio folks, etc. and so on in the ole days could be just as predatory as the corporate overlords. The only truly radical people are the ones who practice the Golden Rule every day, not people who Rage Against the Machine as they take an Uber home from the show instead of a taxi that provides an immigrant breadwinner a living wage job.
Love Frank's music (and the Jackson Five's), but I've always had a problem with the way Frank overly generalizes. He consistently categorizes and places people firmly inside very specific boxes that he feels predict, and even dictate, all of their thoughts and behaviors. It's his own little way of ordering the universe.
@@pkmcburroughs Great way of summing him up. I've found this is true of artists many times -- their lives are based on inspiration and flow and randomness but I've noticed many are drawn to planned economics, leftism, etc. (all the while not showing up for the meetings ...). I think you nailed it when you noted it was his way of ordering the Universe -- we all have those tendencies. Artists, because they're creating, almost have an inherent God-like need to shape their mental view of the world into something like their songs, their paintings, their poems. But the reality of politics is it's pretty mundane and pedestrian much of the time and sometimes you can actually move the needle on progress more with a bake sale at your local school, where everyone is talking to one another, than a rally on a college campus where windows get smashed and the only "change" is the overtime paid to the janitors cleaning up the mess.
You make a very compelling and well-argued point. I agree with you, it is easy to be cynical and much more work to be genuine... and there's no question (in my mind) as to which of the two will find more fulfillment in life. Have a good day.
I love your comment because I hate Uber and love taxi cabs.
Sounds like the dude was pretty rigid.
Always the articulate one!
I hope you've seen my correction that this is not Jen Brown. But still, whoever she is, your comment stands.
Monday Conference (1971 - 1979), Australian debate forum. One interviewer and one guest. The rest of the people are described as randomly people selected from the audience which are suppose to represent a cross section of society. You didn't answer your own question a year ago, did you? Jen Jewel Brown?
I changed the title because Jen Jewel Brown came on my post on Facebook and said it wasn't her. Embarrassing, but she was gracious about it.
What does the reporter being female have anything to do with the reporter’s ability to challenge Frank?
You are not the first to make this point and I did edit the title and took out the word 'female' but somehow the strength went out of it, so I put it back in.
_Pauline, just like the pop stations, you gotta' do what you gotta' do to make them dollars!_
@@FrankieDee-hc8ji Whose making dollars?
@@paulinebutcherbird I hear ya'!
I thought 'female' there was just to clearly identify her in the panel.
What are political slogans if not a poetic, lyrical attempt at communication. Lyricism is an important tool in gaining attention and piercing consciousness. Most left wing revolutionary movements are predicated on chanting slogans.
I can't argue against that.
It felt like there was a lot of sexual tension there )
I thought so too.
The reporter was signaling it with her eyes and posture.
@@michaelfoxbrass I agree but apparently he'd already hooked up with Jen Brown so she'd been eclipsed.
@@michaelfoxbrass I agree with you again but Frank's interest had already been captured elsewhere by a different Australian woman.
She has way too much seemingly unearned confidence.
Gracious, there's no way of winning with you!
@@paulinebutcherbird Oh wait, that was you? My apologies.
@@budweiser600 I don't know who you mean by 'you'. I am the person who posted this thread, and we are talking most of the time about this unidentified woman and Frank Zappa.
The beer typing huh😅? maybe find something else to do half in the bag bro
It seems to me that he either missed her point or avoided it. Her first question was an extremely interesting one. Effectively: is rock music poltical? He talked about the economics and marketing of rock, but not its inherent political content.
He actually did.
When she reframed it to suggest the idea that there cant be any sort of political revolution without the accompaniment or music, to which he answered no, not nececarally. More that rock music what a conduit in reflection the general state of that mass population etc...
a bit of a drift, but his answer can explain why there wasnt more politics in rock
Is there a chance to see the whole interview somewhere? This excerpt is very interesting!
th-cam.com/video/wTLOsoMMDuE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pRUJegA40JJR-htz
She seemed intelligent with a scent of snide🤠
Was giving Frank an intellectual boner🤠
One way to put it.
Smell that harmonica! Irish Catholic munchkins get me hot.
Whether true or not, that's a a good expression.
That's a middle aged Jodie Foster back before she was young!
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Hi Pauline, just to let you know: it's possible to edit the title after you've uploaded the video. Thanks for the upload, Frank is interesting as usual.
Thank you. I have changed the title. Don't know why it didn't occur to me myself.
Molly Meldrum- Australian music critic and journalist would know. He is in his eighties now but would most probably have been there or would know something about it.
Are you able to contact him? Molly Meldrum is a man?
@@paulinebutcherbird yes, Ian “Molly” Meldrum is a famous personality in Australia that had a music TV programme Countdown (74-87) He interviewed all the stars of the day and was on a first name basis with all of them.
@@paulinebutcherbird no on being able to contact him, shouldn’t be that hard.
@@michaelcroft813 This is great. The best possible lead so far. It's like a detective chase!
@@paulinebutcherbird good luck with your endeavour :)
She’s fabulous whoever she is. So is frank, as usual.
Agreed.
She seems quite cool and intelligent. The kind of woman I like.
Why was my comment suggesting posting this on Zappas official website community board/forum removed?
I've no idea but it's here now! Have you posted it there?
Shot in the dark, could this be Kerry-Anne Kennerly(Wright)? I was trying a reverse image search after brightening the video still and one of the results was her, who hosted the show in the late 90's. I'm no good at faces, especially with a tv monitor. Again just a stab. Frank Zapply I think anyone on that stage was cherry picked for some reason or another. I'm not really fond of google reverse image searches, they tend to be way off but what are the odds one of the results came from the same show 26 years later or so?
I know you can't post pictures on here but you could add a link. I've looked her up on google images and even in her young days she's still glammed up. There appears to be no images of her in a hippy-style as here. So that's my reservation despite facially looking similar.
I don't think so.
@@paulinebutcherbird It is not the person they suggest above. In no way, shape or form. And you're right, that person they mention has been glammed up their whole career.
Brains in the usa , who knew that ehh , franks a legend world wide known for his perception wich was 100%
I hope you understand the difficulty of this search. Monday Conference seemingly used participants "from the community", which means she may be neither journalist nor any kind of public person, but just a random private person. Add to this that we only have a low resolution, black and white taping of a show that only aired in one part of the world over half a century ago. Anyone who worked on this show is now upwards of 70 years old or dead - including her. The only way I think you could find her is by getting into direct contact with people who were involved with the show, or getting incredibly lucky and having someone who knows her personally stumble across this.
I'm not saying it's hopeless. I remember a few years back people managed to identify some random girl who appeared for a few seconds in the iconic live recording of soviet song "На заре", I think by finding a living relative. But that search also had a lot more people behind it.
Sadly, I think you're right! And most likely a university student rather than a journalist. But I'll let this thread roll. It seems to be popular even without knowing who she is. I'm still hopeful though.
@@paulinebutcherbird She seems so lovely though and incredibly bright. I hope she had an academic career in researching.
@@salomesandroshvili5364 Me, too. And a happy life, as I'm beginning to think she has not been around for some time. Very odd that no one recognises her. I seem to vaguely recollect there is a google face image search. Do you know anything about that?
@@paulinebutcherbird someone recognized her. check your comments.
@@paulinebutcherbird Jen Jewel Brown
I'd love to see the whole interview!
Here's the first part and you can search on google to find the rest. th-cam.com/video/vD6fPNGipmI/w-d-xo.html
@@paulinebutcherbird Thank you, Pauline! LOVED your book, BTW.
@@charlesolver303 Thanks for letting me know. Kind of you.
All good art is revolutionary- meant to describe what can’t be described otherwise. The rest is craft- designed to appeal to audiences in certain ways and sell product.
A mountainous subject to which whole books have been written, so good marks to you for reducing it to what is not a bad summary in two sentences!
They're asking the dumbest most magazine rant bait questions imaginable about the music industry and he's just explaining to them like they're children how the music industry works
It was a different time.
Not really. Their questions are out of the ordinary, probably because they're not American.
Oh the Jackson 5 were "trite", were they???
She was being a bit arrogant or "intelectual", as so many journalists are, but you got to think of the context.
At the time, it had been 6 years since Sgt Pepper, and Psychadelic/Progressive Rock was at it's highest peak, mainstream music was accepted as having a very challenging instrumentation, form, and message.
Jackson 5, and many others, were definately not challenging anything, compared to them, in THAT regard.
In hindsight, as pop/soul music goes, all those bands, including even white bands like Carpenters etc, are 100.000 miles ahead of whatever trite is being made today, and it will only get worse with AI.
I believe her question was basically (paraphrasing): isn’t it a bit silly to ascribe political significance to rock music (or to any particular type of music presumably)?
A very good question that Frank perhaps didn’t quite understand, perhaps because she asked it in a bit of a roundabout way.
I agree with you. Strange that no one has yet identified her.
songs have always had political significance. do you not understand the history of music? or perhaps you ascribe the dubious freedom of there being a variety of popular music, a phenomenon little more an a 100 years old, to all of musical history, hmm? anthems, hymns, songs praising tribal/national heroes and leaders, and children's rhymes written with intention to terrify the tots into obedience, were all we had for millennia, and all of them were very political. deathly political, quite often. wouldn't want to be singing the wrong song at a football match back in the day, especially if you were an away fan. that's just one example of how political most songs can become, even when they're not as obviously intended to be as say, anthems are.
yes, team rivalries do fall under the aegis of political themes.
@@thehellyousay That's telling me. I'll watch out for such at the European Football bonanza presently underway.
Obviously particular songs can be political. But does an entire genre of music, e.g. rock, necessarily have political significance?
I believe that’s the notion she was pushing back against, comparing it to the way Hollywood movies use music in a cliched way to emotionally manipulate the audience.
She’s a nobody. Why does she need to be identified?
For godsakes, let her be.
I'm pretty sure this interview was filmed in Adelaide, South Australia in 1973.
That's the city I live in btw. If she's from Adelaide then surely someone of her generation in her industry will know her. Adelaide isn't a very large city, and it was much smaller in 1973.
Why do you think that? The original of this event from this clip is taken from is Monday Conference Australia 1973 Robert Moore and it was filmed in Sydney in June.
I think i got confused. I know he gave an interview in Adelaide at some point. My bad. :)
@@allotrope2978 I was wrong too and I've edited. The show was filmed in Sydney in June on the Monday Conference Australia 1973 Robert Moore show. No, 'bad' at all. Maybe the Adelaide interview is on TH-cam and you could post it?
You genius
Thank you, if only it were true! You've seen my correction, I hope.
Just read your comments. So if that’s not her, was she one of the other two female interviewers from this show?
No. Jen Brown was not at this show, but she had met Frank just prior to it. I would like to know who this woman was. Jen came on my FB page and said it was not her but she was nice about it.
In the era of this interview, the ability to produce and sell entertainment was hinged upon distribution. Radio stations were the chief advertisement outlet for many record labels and were key to the amount of money made from 1950 to 1995. After 1996 when Congress butted in, along with the internet, the availability of unique and interesting new music dwindled to a trickle and has since vanished.
The industry has been forming statistics on trends and styles for almost a century and now dictate what is heard by the consumer. Music is no longer and art form. It's a commodity to be consumed and has become quite homogenous, for the most part. It won't be long before all styles merge into one and all performers will act, dress, and speak the same because they will be paid actors to do so while AI generates all the sound. Concerts will become glorified karaoke at best, full on holographic nonsense at worst.
The only good thing that will come of all this is that great music will be returned to where it began: local and live.
Long live rock 'n roll.
Let's wait and see.
Well said. It's amazing how people lap up all this prepackaged, premarketed bilge.
@@billtomson5791 Hmmmm.
Local and live . . . and small.
I thought it was going to be Frank Sinatra.
Very funny. It reminds me of the time when I told my mother over the phone that I was going to work for Frank Zappa, and she said with scorn, 'Frank Zappa! Now if it was Frank Sinatra, that would be different.'
Challenged?
okay, re-write it.
yes, that's a fair description
@@champagnebulge1 Thanks.
Glad they didn’t interrupt him
The entertainment BUSINESS and demographics. Art became secondary in music when money could be made off the product.
Money has always been made off music, from Bach onwards.
@@paulinebutcherbird From Homer onwards
@@seanconlon2408 you presume without actual evidence. livings could be made from music, but profiteering from music is a very recent development, relatively speaking.
He’s just described Taylor Swift.
😶
AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
@@jimmythemadostrich8947 Clearly a mad ostrich.
😤Ye gods!! I can't escape talk of Taylor Swift however hard I try. 😡
Beam me up Scotty!
@@sirbarnabyst.johntoffingto9017 Be serious!
All this coming from a man who fell in love with music while listening to the wireless:)
Nobody could play a bike like Zappa!
When I asked Frank when he started composing music he said when he was 18. I said, 'as old as that? Mozart started when he was four,' and he said, 'Yeah, but he lived in Austria. Where I grew up they were playing 'How Much Is that Doggie in the Window' which is not a huge musical heritage on which to draw.'
Franks pays tribute to all music including mainstream.
@@TheCompleteGuitarist From where do you get that idea?
This is just a respectful, genuine conversation. Both people actually believe what they are saying, and they being nice to each other. Sorry, I don't know who she is though.
I agree with you. Strange, in this day and age of media, no one knows of her. Perhaps she's no longer alive. She would be in her 70s now if she was 20+ then.
Where has my reply gone? I agree with you it was a respecful conversation but that's what knocked me sideways when I met Frank, told him Brown Shoes was immoral and he debated with me for nearly half an hour. I was hooked. Back to the girl, perhaps she's no longer alive? If she was 20 in 1973, she would be 70+ today, and so many have died.
Why is that so strange?
Are you able to name everyone else in the panel?
It’s only she that’s missing?
Where did the footage come from, what network, what country?
Forget her for a moment and identify anyone else in the studio, that would be a start.
Here it is. th-cam.com/video/wTLOsoMMDuE/w-d-xo.html
Hi Pauline. I am working on finding out who the young lady is. If anyone will know, I know the person that will have the definitive answer. Stay tuned.
Brilliant and thanks.
@@paulinebutcherbird Okay, Spoke the Australian aficionado everything Zappa. He tells me that it was probably some journalist from a magazine that was underground, but he is researching.
@@bwana-ma-coo-bah425 Fingers crossed. Of course they all look like university students and perhaps those three on the stage were from the university newspaper?
@@paulinebutcherbird I am not sure if they were university students, however I did notice that all of the people were firing questions at him and really didn't allow Frank to answer the questions in full . I have asked some people in the industry and they are now looking to find out. The question I asked the Australian aficionado everything Zappa is perplexed and is doing further research.
@@bwana-ma-coo-bah425 Thanks. Greatly appreciated.
Everybody has an opinion just ask em especially when it comes to music.
But make sure they can be identified on the Internets!
One " shrike" and your out
I think it’s Suzy Creamcheese
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Yeah but whats got into her?
She's coaching the USWNT now innit?
Now thats funny!
I don't think Frank was really challenged here. He knows what he's talking about and can talk about it all day.
I think you're correct, but when I changed the word 'challenged' to 'questioned' in the title, it lost some of its strength, so I put it back! At least it brought you on to comment.
Intelligent man
People want crap, crap it is
Yep! Production line predictable crap.
Could it be Lillian Roxon? If it is her then this would have been filmed only about a month before her death.
Just reading through some of the comments below and wanted to add a little information from the research that I've been able to do. This episode of Monday Conference aired on July 2, 1973 according to the Sydney Morning Herald. From what I've been able to gather, it was filmed in Sydney (possibly the ballroom of the Sydney Hilton Hotel) by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
I'm not sure about the filming location now that I'm looking at his tour dates. He was in Melbourne just a couple of days before this aired and had a concert in Adelaide on July 4. If it wasn't aired live then he could have filmed it while he was in Sydney a few days earlier.
@@johnnyjohnson2043 I was under the impression it was Melbourne but it's wonderful that at last I'm getting some real research going on. Thank you.
Lillian Roxon looks to be the closest suggestion so far. I know nothing about her. Who was she and why/how did she reach such a tragic death?
@@paulinebutcherbird Glad I can help. She was an Australian music journalist who wrote Lillian Roxon's Rock Encyclopedia. I haven't been able to verify that this is her and I do have some doubts because she had spent the last several years following the music scene in NYC but she could have easily travelled back to Australia during this time. She died in New York on August 10, 1973 of a severe asthma attack. I don't know a lot about her either but she was apparently very well respected in the field and had a major impact on music journalism. I'm in the US so I'm a little limited in what information is available to me. Apparently the National Library of Australia has transcripts of most of the Monday Conference episodes. Not sure if they include the names of the panel journalists, though. catalogue.nla.gov.au/catalog/214087
Esther Vilar? Author of The Manipulated Man.
I agree with you, she does look like Esther Vilar but this woman is Australian, and Esther Vilar was part German and Argentinian.
Frank Zappa's music only influenced my friends and I to be cynical and hate our peers when we were young. As I got older I would have an uneasy feeling after listening to albums like "We're Only In It..". His music is beautiful a lot of the time but it's ruined whenever he starts singing about a particular person or group he doesn't like. Songs like "Bobby Brown" just come off as projection and jealousy and doesn't change anything. I'd rather listen to The Beatles these days.
You need to align to the artist's personality/beliefs in order to enjoy the music?
@@juanmanuellinares3083 Try to actually debate instead of putting words in people's mouths.
@@juanmanuellinares3083 Yes and no. It is baffling that such a gentle man could write songs like Magdalena, Enema Bandit, Bamboozled by Love etc, and makes one wonder. Then the beautiful music comes along, and it doesn't matter.
Frank Zappa's early albums were deliberately aimed at young minds and from there he built his base. As he went on, he seems to become more and more contentious and I too find some of his songs unpleasant and, as you say, one searches elsewhere. But it's hard to beat a melody like Water Melon in Easter Hay.
@@paulinebutcherbird Frank was about freedom of speech.. and making sure expression was alive an well .. he also said theres plenty of other lyrical music out there if you don't like his ..
wow
It seems like a lot of people think she's Australian. I think that she might actually be south african. I've seen stuff coming out of tokai and fishoek and Constantia that strongly resembles her from that part of history. I was not alive in 1973 but I've been told in south Africa and Zimbabwe is that before Nelson Mandel went to jail they were giving med school places to white women instead of any black people because de clerk wanted to make sure no black person was in a delivery room during the birth of a white child, and a handful of white women got arrested a couple of years before this interview and ended up leaving Capetown for Sydney to avoid jail and a couple worked as music journalists for a while. That's all I was told . Maybe she went back to med school and forgot all about zappa.
Interesting theory. Are people able to get TH-cam in South Africa, do you know. Would they likely see this video? I don't think Zappa played in South Africa but I could be wrong.
@@paulinebutcherbird out of curiosity have you heard of Trevor noah? Also I didn't mean to imply or write that the film itself took place in south Africa as there were people in the uk organizing trips from stellenbosch to Sydney throughout the 1970s.
@@TrrsnSmrg No, I have not heard of Trevor Noah? Who was he? My world, when I lived and worked in Frank Zappa's house was very enclosed. It was as hard for me to get out as others to get in.
I am Australian and that is without a doubt an Australian accent
@@shadehadie Thank you, shadehadie, for settling this matter.
Has anyone answered your question? Who is she?
Astonishingly not, given it's had 60,000+ views. Presumably it's not showing in Australia. Do you know how i might get it shown there?
@@paulinebutcherbird you worked with Frank??
@@joesphschramm3754 Yes, and lived in his house. I met Frank in London and, long story short, ended up - me, a straight English girl - working in the middle of 1968 Laurel Canyon, the centre of rock and roll at that time. I write about it in my memoir, 'Freak Out! My Life with Frank Zappa Laurel Canyon 1968-1971.' It has very good reviews.
@@paulinebutcherbird Fascinating! I'll be sure to get a copy. Thank you
@@joesphschramm3754 💕
I wonder what he would think of all the stuff being produced today.
At least back then all those musicians had to use real instruments and no autotune.
define musicians.
Don't forget Frank himself went through a period when he used his synthesizer(?) to compose his music, no musicians.
@@paulinebutcherbird Yes, but I think it was quicker for him, I remember seeing it in a video, but I could be wrong, AGAIN! 🤣
@@bwana-ma-coo-bah425 You mean you saw Frank on the synthesizer on video? Correct. There is such video.
@@paulinebutcherbird Yes, that is the video I saw. If my memory serves me correct, he did mention that it made it easier for him to write music, because he could play the notes and it was and could be transcribed to paper. Now, I am old and my memory is not what it used to be, so I am doing all of this from my old buffoon memory. 🤣😉
Frances Lynn?
Zappa was so sharp an observer; they had no idea what they were hearing.
In this case it was the other way around: -- he didn't understand her question, at least he did not answer it.
@@jakob8884 Demographics play a huge role in politics. As with much of the full interview, I think he had more he was planning to say, but was interrupted by another question.
@@jakob8884 yeah you're right, but kinds of questions like this cannot be answered, they are close ended questions.
Looks like a college student journalist to me.
I think you're right but it's surprising, after 46,000 views, no one can identify her.
@@paulinebutcherbird It think this is the show on Four Corners:
"PAYOLA: Records are a money-spinning business - but how much spin off is there to promote them. In Britain and America there are allegations of payola involving call girls, sex orgies, blackmail and drugs. Were pop singers Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix victims of the new pop cult - drugola? This week, following a new investigation in Australia Four Corners speaks to artists, Disc Jockeys and promoters on the subject of Payola. Includes interviews with: Mr. John Laws, Disc Jockey; Dr. Beh, Senior Lecturer, Sydney University; Mr. Ron Tudor, Record Publisher; Mr. McNamarra, Manager of Edels Record Shop; Frank Zappa, Pop singer and Johnny O'Keefe, Pop singer. (Taken from programme record held by NFSA Doc. Coll.)"
That might be journalist Caroline Jones. She was a "presenter" on the show at that time.
@@William1866 the show is Monday Conference Australia 1973
"Frank Zappa TV Interview- Monday Conference Australia 1973 Robert Moore"
th-cam.com/video/wTLOsoMMDuE/w-d-xo.html
She looks and sounds (from the tone and content of her question) like a feminist commo university student / activist, the broadcaster the ABC (fully taxpayer funded) planted her to get the gotcha answer from Frank which did not come true because Frank knew more about the question than she did! its not Caroline Jones she had more rounder eyes
@@rods6405 Thanks
Whoo, what a lot of touchy men are commenting here! What's wrong with her question? Frank's answer certainly was good.
Agreed.
@@paulinebutcherbird Disagree. Both are 'whoo' touchy replies. Self-aware much?
@@stephent5963 I think he gives her due consideration and she comes back. I think it's a good exchange.
In the long version of this panel interview, she is described by the host only as "one of the women", at the 11 minute mark.
She has what appears to be a name badge but it's illegible.
th-cam.com/video/wTLOsoMMDuE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Baf1d_J8odD3E-77
What is puzzling is that this video has been shared more than any others of mine so you would think someone would know who she is. Perhaps it's not reaching Australia. Any idea how I could do that?
@@paulinebutcherbird reddit is your best friend. Though I don't know which subreddit would be useful.
Jen Jewel Brown scratches her head and thinks, "Damn, this guy's smart".
Actually she think “What the hell is this guy on?!?”
@@pawelpap9 No.
Besides FZ being noted for not ever being "on" anything but cigarettes, coffee, and women, what he's saying makes sense. You can disagree with it, but it makes sense. A leads to B leads to C, and so forth. It's far from drugged-out rambling.
I hope you've seen my correction that this is not Jen Brown. But still your comment stands whoever she is.
@@Baribrotzer I don't think Frank here was necessarily judging people who do listen to the Osmonds, just stating the facts about how radio worked back then.
@@edlawn5481 I was answering the guy (@pawelpap9) who thought that the interviewer might think FZ was "on" something, and was pointing out that Frank never sounded like he was high. He always made sense, even if you disagreed with his conclusions.
That's a young Pauline Butcher Bird.
I wish it were, though perhaps not as she no longer seems to exist.
@@paulinebutcherbird silly shot in the dark on my behalf and obviously way off the mark. Sorry. I hope she's still around though. Lovely confident lady, not at all starstruck. I'm sure Frank appreciated.
@@ManosChatzikonstantis It reminds me of my own meeting with Frank in London.
@@paulinebutcherbird well then! I wasn't too much off the mark, innit? 😇
@@ManosChatzikonstantis Agreed. 🎶🎶
I think it's a young Margaret Throsby.
I looked her up on Google images and she has dark hair, even when young. If I thought it was her I would send this video to her, but I don't think it is.
not margaret
@@haydenwalton2766 On what basis do you make that view?
@@paulinebutcherbirdI'm australian. it doesn't look much like her. and she'd have to be in her early thirties to be margaret here - this lady looks much younger
@@haydenwalton2766 Agreed. The mystery goes on.
Jen Brown. Gudinksi worker. It was a great question, and a reasonably educated answer. He never stated if he agrees with it, he just said that this is the way it is.
Jen Brown says it is not her, though I originally thought so, too. And on further inspection, this woman doesn't look like Jen Brown either.
What is fascinating on this thread is that people have interpreted the exchange between this young woman and Frank in so many different ways. I think it shows what a slippery slope understanding speech can be.