Seth, the score summary at about 0:30 is the one for the Saucony Speedcross 6. No biggie, just letting you know. Another great review on the Clifton! Thanks for all you do!
I agree that hoka breaks down much quicker than most brands and I've run in mizuno, asics,brooks,NB, Nike, Saucony and Adidas in my 38 years of running. But with my older body and knees I appreciate the softness of their shoes.
I’m currently recovering from a severe flare in my spondylolisthesis. For those who may not know, the disc above my L4 vertebrae is deteriorating quicker than it should. With that being said I used to box and have been a very active person throughout my life and this shoe has been a god send in order for me to get back to where I used to be. I have a heel to toe stride and this shoe has been the BEST at supporting me on my long jogs. If you have any issues with your body or have the same stride as me I definitely recommend you going to give them a try.
My favorite Clifton yet. Big improvement over the 8. Have about 200 miles on mine and the upper is starting to get a little loose if that makes any sense. (You can look and tell it has 200 miles.)
LOL - on timestamp @5:59 you could clearly see Seth wanted to say "Just buy it for the softness" but then he realized he couldn't say that out loud on camera. Notice the body language becoming defensive after realizing he messed up. @Seth - don't be afraid to tell us that Hoka sponsored this video or your trip to NYC! Don't claim to be unbiased, that would be unethical and unfair to consumer who value your opinion!
My Hoka midsole experience is from the Clifton 6, which also had a soft midsole and little energy return. Eventually the midsole became firmer which improved the ride until the outsole gave out and I retired the shoes at 415 miles.
This shoe could be best suited for those who prefer a long run shoe with a stack height that falls between a max cushion shoe and a daily trainer, which is what I was looking for. With that in mind, I feel the weight is fine. I think this shoe decreases my recovery time after a long run probably due to it's midsole softness. I'm very much satisfied with my selection and surprised that you wouldn't recommend it for a long run, but to each their own.
@@MaximusTCR Great. I'm probably going to keep my eye on them and try them next. A bit worried about the durability. I just got some Brooks Ghost as they were highly reviewed and lower priced.
QoD: Ive run in the Clifton 6 and 7 and didn't find either to be particularly soft, just a nice average ride. Got around 500 miles out of them and got them both on sale for 58 bucks so can't complain. Using my second pair of Mach 4s now and have to say that they have held up way better than expected. I'd buy a closet full of them if I could find them.
QoD: My Clifton 7 are still going strong at 400 miles and I think I can do 50/60 more miles in them easily. On the other side, the Rincon 3 midsole was dead at 200 miles, luckily I got them on sale 40% off.
If you’re a big guy with wide feet, and you’re looking for a shoes for long distance / daily trainer; I cannot find any shoes that perform better than the Brooks Adrenaline GTS 22. Durable, really wide sole and the midsole doesn’t breakdown. If you tend to roll your ankle, the Adrenaline has a really stable wide sole. Heavier than most but if you’re a heavy person, it makes little difference
Totally agree with you Seth. I find many of the Hoka shoes eyelet chaains are narrow. I have an average foot width and sometime the laces are pulled to touching each side of the chain. By the way … what month is TL due? Praying for you all 🙏🏽
QD: First pair of Rincons around 225.. Dead Second pair around 215… Dead Mach 4 which is one of my favorite shoes 210… Dead Speedgoat 5… 130 whole shoe dead! Only one that has held up Speedgoat 4. Basically every hoka I have owned never surpassed 250 miles and reason I didn’t buy the Mach 5
Thanks Seth. My problem with Hoka is the durability of the inside heel section. No foot deformity on either foot, but the lining in that section breaks down after just 200 kilometres, with big holes being present once I reach the 800 kilometre mark. Big Hoka fan, but for this reason now considering a brand change.
I've had a love hate relationship with the Clifton. I've been running in them since the 4 or 5. They were pivotal in getting me past a long term running issue stemming from my back. Unfortunately there are a lot of negatives that have caused me to look elsewhere. The fit and midsole's have been fairly poor for me. The shape of my foot just never quite fits right. It's always just a little bit off (read as narrow). Not enough to buy something else but enough to make it so it's not quite as comfortable as I'd like. The midsoles seem to be bottoming out quicker and quicker these days and the foam just seems to feel dead and not enjoyable to run in anymore. I'm wondering if after running in some more modern and better foams anything EVA just doesn't feel as good. I likely won't buy the Clifton 9 since I've found some other shoes that are a lot more enjoyable to fun in and are more comfortable.
I wear the Clifton 8s for my every day, out and about shoes. They’re very comfy for long hours on my feet. I knew when I wore them to Disneyland once and didn’t have “Disneyland feet”, as my mom calls them, at the end of the day that they were a great shoe.
I just picked up a pair of the Clifton 9s a few weeks. So far I’m liking the increased stack height. Definitely not a good shoe if your trying to go faster because of how squishy it is. Overall a nice shoe though in my opinion 💪🏼😎
I work at a high school and walk to nine different classes by the end of the day. My ankles and feet swell, and my calves are very tight, which would be the best sneaker for me?
I have about 125 miles on these so far. Actually ran a half marathon in them. They are not the most durable, I’ll probably get another 100 or so out of them. The toe box absolutely crushed my 5th toe and I had significant blisters during longer runs even after breaking them in. I’ll be switching to a different shoe before I hit higher mileage again. Any recommendations?
Can you clarify " daily trainer" what type of run is this. We talk about trainers for easy runs, long runs, tempo runs, threshold runs, intervals, racing. So where does a daily trainer actually fit in?
Basically a daily trainer is a shoe you grab to go for a run in. Basically a shoe you can do easy, moderate and pick up the pace if you wanted. If you are not training for anything and just going out for runs every day. Or if you are training and you can only want one shoe.
QOD: I used to run in Hoka, specifically the Mach and the Rincon. The Rincon were good until about 100 miles or so and then would start to bother my legs and feet. My machs were a struggle to get to 300 and then same issue. I noticed the mid soles would just go flat very quickly, losing their responsiveness. I also noticed the mid soles would start to “pancake” significantly, which also changed the ride. I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea for Hoka to put more research on their mid soles to increase their durability and energy return. They do make great walking around shoes once retired, as I still use my machs for just everyday errands👍🏻
I got the opposite experience size wise, I tired different pairs in different stores couple of times as I was so unsure whether to go size up or not. On one occasion the size up was right, other time true to size seem to be right. In the end I ordered (because I wanted white) true to size and it tured out too small, so I had to return them. The lace eyelid seemed far more apart than other running shoes I've had so far, but no probelm with that.
Recently I’ve gone through another pair of Hoka Clifton 8s and they have both lasted me past 400+ miles. With my first pair giving out at 464. With the 8s having a bit more stiffness, you could probably expect the 9s to not have as much life in them after a couple hundred miles. If you have any questions comment below.
QD: My Rincons have been decent - no complaints, especially since they were a gift. No leg problems thankfully, and they are still viable at about 200 miles. I'm glad to have been able to include them in my current shoe rotation.
Thanks for the review as always Seth! The Clifton 8 is one of my favorite daily trainers. I was excited to see the 9 come out just so I could grab another pair of the 8's for cheap! I'm hesitant to try the 9 after hearing your mileage estimate of only 300 miles.
Honestly, what’s the point of this shoe if it’s range is 300 miles? Isn’t it supposed to be a more durable daily trainer, compared with the Mach? You can easily get 300 miles in the Mach
I bought these, but found after 30ish mins I started to get pins and needles in my feet. Tried different lacing techniques and everything but no change. Not a good shoe at all if you have a high instep 🤷🏼♀️
I think running shoes are largely dependent on the runner using them. Listen. I’m a heavy guy and my joints get absolutely BEAT by my runs because I’m over 200lbs. This freaking shoe is the absolute best running shoe for me. They’re wide enough for my big fat man feet and they are so so so comfortable omgggggg. Favorite running shoe by FAR. This and the asics novablast 4? You just can’t go wrong with them.
Clifton 7 ended my Hoka shoe buying. Two toenails lost on left foot and took over a year for them to grow back straight and normal. No thanks to Hoka, probably forever.
A number of years ago I had the same issue - toes nails went black and fell off . Went to a podiatrist and was told despite my initial thoughts upon purchase the shoes were not the proper size and I needed a larger shoe . It may or may not be the same issue with you .
QD: I personally don’t run in Hokas but it’s the only thing my boyfriend runs in. He really swears by them, and has run in everything from the Arahi to the Clifton.I think the midsoles of his shoes tend to hold up pretty well, but I do think he wears out the rubber tread quicker and more severely than I wear out mine in the Brooks Adrenalines. He has a pair of the Clift 9s right now with somewhere between 200 and 300 miles on them. They look pretty good and he hasn’t gotten shin splints or anything but I will say I think the rubber is starting to wear down a bit. It’s kinda hard to tell though because he has the all black pair.
I also ran quite a bit in the Bondi when I started running, my cadence and efficiency was pretty bad (heel strike), back then Bondi were lasting a bit longer 350, but with Clifton hardly ever to them past 310/320.
Love my Clifton 9’s.. going on 350 miles and feels better than ever! In fact, I just ran a marathon in them and felt great!
I just recieved my Clifton 9 Hoka and I love them, the most comfortable shoes I have ever owned.
Seth, the score summary at about 0:30 is the one for the Saucony Speedcross 6. No biggie, just letting you know. Another great review on the Clifton! Thanks for all you do!
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That is actually quite significant miss 😀
I agree that hoka breaks down much quicker than most brands and I've run in mizuno, asics,brooks,NB, Nike, Saucony and Adidas in my 38 years of running. But with my older body and knees I appreciate the softness of their shoes.
Hey Bruce
My Nike reacts broke down in just over a year
I’m currently recovering from a severe flare in my spondylolisthesis. For those who may not know, the disc above my L4 vertebrae is deteriorating quicker than it should. With that being said I used to box and have been a very active person throughout my life and this shoe has been a god send in order for me to get back to where I used to be.
I have a heel to toe stride and this shoe has been the BEST at supporting me on my long jogs. If you have any issues with your body or have the same stride as me I definitely recommend you going to give them a try.
My favorite Clifton yet. Big improvement over the 8. Have about 200 miles on mine and the upper is starting to get a little loose if that makes any sense. (You can look and tell it has 200 miles.)
LOL - on timestamp @5:59 you could clearly see Seth wanted to say "Just buy it for the softness" but then he realized he couldn't say that out loud on camera. Notice the body language becoming defensive after realizing he messed up. @Seth - don't be afraid to tell us that Hoka sponsored this video or your trip to NYC! Don't claim to be unbiased, that would be unethical and unfair to consumer who value your opinion!
Seth is unbiased hence the bad review. If he was biased he would have rated it better.
Make it a great one. Run on
My Hoka midsole experience is from the Clifton 6, which also had a soft midsole and little energy return. Eventually the midsole became firmer which improved the ride until the outsole gave out and I retired the shoes at 415 miles.
This shoe could be best suited for those who prefer a long run shoe with a stack height that falls between a max cushion shoe and a daily trainer, which is what I was looking for. With that in mind, I feel the weight is fine. I think this shoe decreases my recovery time after a long run probably due to it's midsole softness. I'm very much satisfied with my selection and surprised that you wouldn't recommend it for a long run, but to each their own.
Thanks. I'm a diabetic with lots of foot pain, and I've been using NB but still looking for a better shoe.
@@dustynesmith The shoe store I purchased this from caters to many diabetic customers and they sell a lot of Hokas
@@MaximusTCR Great. I'm probably going to keep my eye on them and try them next. A bit worried about the durability. I just got some Brooks Ghost as they were highly reviewed and lower priced.
QoD: Ive run in the Clifton 6 and 7 and didn't find either to be particularly soft, just a nice average ride. Got around 500 miles out of them and got them both on sale for 58 bucks so can't complain. Using my second pair of Mach 4s now and have to say that they have held up way better than expected. I'd buy a closet full of them if I could find them.
Serious question, how do you miss Saucony speedcross 6?.. In a hoka shoe review?
What is that
What I do with my Clifton 9s is get them about half a size too small. It’s tight yet comfortable and feels fast
QoD: My Clifton 7 are still going strong at 400 miles and I think I can do 50/60 more miles in them easily. On the other side, the Rincon 3 midsole was dead at 200 miles, luckily I got them on sale 40% off.
If you’re a big guy with wide feet, and you’re looking for a shoes for long distance / daily trainer; I cannot find any shoes that perform better than the Brooks Adrenaline GTS 22. Durable, really wide sole and the midsole doesn’t breakdown.
If you tend to roll your ankle, the Adrenaline has a really stable wide sole. Heavier than most but if you’re a heavy person, it makes little difference
Looks like you may have mentioned the wrong shoe on the final score screens in the first half of video. I noticed you had the “Saucony Speedcross”
Totally agree with you Seth. I find many of the Hoka shoes eyelet chaains are narrow. I have an average foot width and sometime the laces are pulled to touching each side of the chain.
By the way … what month is TL due? Praying for you all 🙏🏽
QD: First pair of Rincons around 225.. Dead
Second pair around 215… Dead
Mach 4 which is one of my favorite shoes 210… Dead
Speedgoat 5… 130 whole shoe dead!
Only one that has held up Speedgoat 4. Basically every hoka I have owned never surpassed 250 miles and reason I didn’t buy the Mach 5
Thanks Seth. My problem with Hoka is the durability of the inside heel section. No foot deformity on either foot, but the lining in that section breaks down after just 200 kilometres, with big holes being present once I reach the 800 kilometre mark. Big Hoka fan, but for this reason now considering a brand change.
Thanks for the review, am looking for day to day shoes for walking would you recommend these or is there any others? Any advice please 😊
I've had a love hate relationship with the Clifton. I've been running in them since the 4 or 5. They were pivotal in getting me past a long term running issue stemming from my back. Unfortunately there are a lot of negatives that have caused me to look elsewhere. The fit and midsole's have been fairly poor for me. The shape of my foot just never quite fits right. It's always just a little bit off (read as narrow). Not enough to buy something else but enough to make it so it's not quite as comfortable as I'd like. The midsoles seem to be bottoming out quicker and quicker these days and the foam just seems to feel dead and not enjoyable to run in anymore. I'm wondering if after running in some more modern and better foams anything EVA just doesn't feel as good. I likely won't buy the Clifton 9 since I've found some other shoes that are a lot more enjoyable to fun in and are more comfortable.
I wear the Clifton 8s for my every day, out and about shoes. They’re very comfy for long hours on my feet. I knew when I wore them to Disneyland once and didn’t have “Disneyland feet”, as my mom calls them, at the end of the day that they were a great shoe.
I think Hoka midsoles are light years behind Nike, Asics and Saucony for example.
I just picked up a pair of the Clifton 9s a few weeks. So far I’m liking the increased stack height. Definitely not a good shoe if your trying to go faster because of how squishy it is. Overall a nice shoe though in my opinion 💪🏼😎
Dear Mr. Seth James, Please reviewed Hoka Bondi X especially with your mark scoring criteria. Thanks alot....
I work at a high school and walk to nine different classes by the end of the day. My ankles and feet swell, and my calves are very tight, which would be the best sneaker for me?
I have about 125 miles on these so far. Actually ran a half marathon in them. They are not the most durable, I’ll probably get another 100 or so out of them. The toe box absolutely crushed my 5th toe and I had significant blisters during longer runs even after breaking them in. I’ll be switching to a different shoe before I hit higher mileage again. Any recommendations?
Interesting. Perhaps they're going for not having a break in time and it backfired in regard to durability.
Can you clarify " daily trainer" what type of run is this. We talk about trainers for easy runs, long runs, tempo runs, threshold runs, intervals, racing. So where does a daily trainer actually fit in?
Basically a daily trainer is a shoe you grab to go for a run in. Basically a shoe you can do easy, moderate and pick up the pace if you wanted. If you are not training for anything and just going out for runs every day. Or if you are training and you can only want one shoe.
Hey,
Any recommendations for someone with flat feet? It’s a struggle to find something.
QOD: I used to run in Hoka, specifically the Mach and the Rincon. The Rincon were good until about 100 miles or so and then would start to bother my legs and feet. My machs were a struggle to get to 300 and then same issue. I noticed the mid soles would just go flat very quickly, losing their responsiveness. I also noticed the mid soles would start to “pancake” significantly, which also changed the ride. I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea for Hoka to put more research on their mid soles to increase their durability and energy return. They do make great walking around shoes once retired, as I still use my machs for just everyday errands👍🏻
I got the opposite experience size wise, I tired different pairs in different stores couple of times as I was so unsure whether to go size up or not. On one occasion the size up was right, other time true to size seem to be right. In the end I ordered (because I wanted white) true to size and it tured out too small, so I had to return them.
The lace eyelid seemed far more apart than other running shoes I've had so far, but no probelm with that.
Recently I’ve gone through another pair of Hoka Clifton 8s and they have both lasted me past 400+ miles. With my first pair giving out at 464. With the 8s having a bit more stiffness, you could probably expect the 9s to not have as much life in them after a couple hundred miles. If you have any questions comment below.
I have ran 600 miles in all of the pairs of Cliftons that I’ve owned and for me they do it with ease. I guess it depends on form and other variables.
What exactly is the durameter?
It is durometer. And it is a device used to measure the hardness of the midsole.
The higher the number, the harder the midsole. 50 midsole is harder than 20 midsole
I went to the mall and initially went for the nimbus 25 but ultimately decided on the Clifton 9
QD: My Rincons have been decent - no complaints, especially since they were a gift. No leg problems thankfully, and they are still viable at about 200 miles. I'm glad to have been able to include them in my current shoe rotation.
You Gotta Come Back Bruh!
Gettin a bit lazy with the copy/pasting, there..
Saucony :)
Thanks for the review as always Seth! The Clifton 8 is one of my favorite daily trainers. I was excited to see the 9 come out just so I could grab another pair of the 8's for cheap! I'm hesitant to try the 9 after hearing your mileage estimate of only 300 miles.
Clifton is the best recovery shoes for me. The first run after injury must be Clifton .
Honestly, what’s the point of this shoe if it’s range is 300 miles? Isn’t it supposed to be a more durable daily trainer, compared with the Mach? You can easily get 300 miles in the Mach
I bought these, but found after 30ish mins I started to get pins and needles in my feet. Tried different lacing techniques and everything but no change. Not a good shoe at all if you have a high instep 🤷🏼♀️
My exact struggle with the version 8. It's the only shoe that has ever done that to me. I have high arches as well.
I think running shoes are largely dependent on the runner using them. Listen. I’m a heavy guy and my joints get absolutely BEAT by my runs because I’m over 200lbs. This freaking shoe is the absolute best running shoe for me. They’re wide enough for my big fat man feet and they are so so so comfortable omgggggg. Favorite running shoe by FAR. This and the asics novablast 4? You just can’t go wrong with them.
41! The Elf Tab! 😆
Clifton 7 ended my Hoka shoe buying. Two toenails lost on left foot and took over a year for them to grow back straight and normal. No thanks to Hoka, probably forever.
A number of years ago I had the same issue - toes nails went black and fell off . Went to a podiatrist and was told despite my initial thoughts upon purchase the shoes were not the proper size and I needed a larger shoe . It may or may not be the same issue with you .
@@DJ-he1zc well that's on Hoka then. I have hundreds of pairs of shoes all the same size. The shoes fit fine, the toebox just crushed my toenails
You’re not buying the right size then. That should not happen in any sneaker ever
They sure are good at advertising their brand, quality of shoes not so much.
Clifton 9 or Arahi 6?
QD: I personally don’t run in Hokas but it’s the only thing my boyfriend runs in. He really swears by them, and has run in everything from the Arahi to the Clifton.I think the midsoles of his shoes tend to hold up pretty well, but I do think he wears out the rubber tread quicker and more severely than I wear out mine in the Brooks Adrenalines. He has a pair of the Clift 9s right now with somewhere between 200 and 300 miles on them. They look pretty good and he hasn’t gotten shin splints or anything but I will say I think the rubber is starting to wear down a bit. It’s kinda hard to tell though because he has the all black pair.
Would take the On Cloud Surfer over this every day
Hope Hoka takes note of this review for the Clifton 10.
hoka clifton X
QD: Hoka is only good for comfort. That’s why all the nurses use them
Just bought Clifton 8 for 80 EUR (64EUR w/o tax) = 70 USD two months ago as my very first Hoka shoes (I am not a fan of high stack running shoes)
Sealed will be sweetest
Never taken Hokas for more than 300 miles. They turned flat after that 300 mark
@@Mountaindwell4 hey, heavier: during training for races I maintain at around 183, when I’m just on maintenance mode, I typically hit 185/6
I also ran quite a bit in the Bondi when I started running, my cadence and efficiency was pretty bad (heel strike), back then Bondi were lasting a bit longer 350, but with Clifton hardly ever to them past 310/320.
QOD : Absolute rubbish including the over rated and hyped Mach line up. Wouldn’t try the new Rocket X2 unless I got it free either
Like Hoka for work , not running. Run on.
They are never consistent from model to model and from year to year..some are great ,some bricks..
Video mistakes generate more comments, helping the video..😉📈
I miss the "loosey-goosey"...
QD: I’ve had nothing but a soft, pillowy relationship with hoka mid-soles 😊
so out of focus
this shoe look almost identical to Nike Pagsus 39
The peg 39 is a lot firmer, more narrow, and 10mm drop
Asics,Hoka and Adidas are top.