I've been so confused on deciding between 3 vs 4 wheel, 80 vs 110, rockered vs flat and after watching so many videos, this one finally helped me make my choice. The note about 20mph being the point where rockered is noticeably less stable was very helpful.
Thanks for answering my question! I just started skating about a week ago after getting inspired by channels like yours, Bill Stoppard, and Tiago Inline Skater.
HiLo results in a flat set up. It's same as a flat set up but with different wheel sizes. This allows for a lower boot at the ball of the foot or if you look the other way, bigger wheels at the heel for the same skate height.
Thats a great workout commute you have. I bought a pair of K2's in late 90s never used them and did cycling for cardio for 17 years. Huge mistake. There are male functioning penalties for sitting on a bike seat. Also rollerblading better for preserving your knees than jogging - which I did plenty before knee injuries due to impact overuse forced me to quit. Keep up the good daily low impact workout! Im sure inline skating will make a comeback (once these risks I mentioned in cycling and jogging become more common knowledge).
If you're learning slalom, a banana rocker will totally change the game. If you thought you could be smooth with a flat setup, the next level is waiting!
@@SpitefulAZ It'll feel super unstable in the beginning, but once you get it you won't even think about it and you can just enjoy the fluidity of your movements. Have fun!
Could you make a video of how you’re stopping are essentially do replays of it in slow motion discussing how you stop at high speeds? You’re so controlled with those stops, it’s super impressive and I find I and a lot of others have a lot of issues doing those types of high speed stops. A lot of videos discuss how to do it, but I think doing it in slow-motion would help a ton
I am strongly against making tutorials because there are so many out there. I've gotten a lot of requests for them so I will strongly consider it. If I do, I will definitely take your comments, questions, and suggestions into account when making the script.
Hi - If I May add to that. The diference comparing you to other is that your explanations are very detailed and complete. If you transform that into a more visual explanation showing muscles, positions, etc would be just perfect and a differential. TH-cam has lots of tutorial but very superficial. Thx a lot! And congrats to this video that was just what I was looking for.
@@alans1394 Hi alan I was just reviewing my videos and I'm really sorry I missed your comment! My next video will be on power slides. I will definitely take your suggestions and implement them.
The Hi-Lo rocker and Banana Rocker on a three wheels setup are the same. You alternate between two rocker positions in either setup. The degree of rockering can be different tho, a 1mm banana rocker, a 2mm banana rocker, a 2mm Hi-Lo rocker, etc
They're kind of the same. On the 3 wheel banana rocker, you have 2 smalls front and back, and mid wheel is bigger. High low, it's small front, two bigs in the back or smallest to largest front to back.
Some constructive criticism: when you first mention a different type of rockered setup, put a diagram up on the screen. It may be hard for a beginner to understand which setup is which when doing their own research😁👍
@@alvarsantini2653 It refers to the wheel set up. You can use different sized wheels on the frames to achieve various effects. You can read more here --> www.koleckove-brusle-praha.cz/en/co-je-to-flat-setup-a-co-je-rockered-setup-1/#:~:text=Flat%20setup%20or%20setting%20in,at%20ride%20touch%20the%20ground.&text=Comparing%20to%20this%2C%20wheels%20at,touch%20the%20ground%20all%20together.
Hi! What size wheels do you use for the 3 wheel hi lo rockered setup? Your frame is 3x110, I think. So, is your front wheel 100, and the middle & back wheels are 110?
Hello! In the video I'm using 110 wheels where the front wheel is between 2~4mm smaller and the middle/back wheels are relatively the same at 110mm. Ideally you wouldn't want a wheel size difference to be greater than 4mm. I've tried it before and it gets a little too crazy.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 Thanks so much!!! I guess your front wheel must be just an older, worn down wheel, as I don’t think that you can buy a 108mm or 106mm wheel. Great video!
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 I’m wrong...I think that you can buy a 105mm wheel, which is pretty close. I’m used to ice hockey skates, so I really like a rockered set up.
@@elizabethkostojohn1067 You're exactly right, I'm using an older wheel. I measure all my wheels so I know how many mm each are. I just make sure the difference between the first and middle wheel are a minimum of 2 mm and max of 4mm. Usually when I rotate my wheels, I'll find those small differences in wheel size so I just adjust accordingly.
I am a newbie, I was just bought inline skates, and its came with banana rocker from the factory. Many videos I watched explain that flat setup is more stable than rockered setup (banana setup?) After I watched your video and my understanding there're no big difference of both setup in stablility unless we go to the downhill or we skate more than 20 mph. Is this true? Thanks mate
Hi Penees, there actually is a really big difference when switching between flat vs rockered setups and vise versa. I will say that the flat setup is absolutely more stable than the rockered setup. Banana rockers will feel incredibly unstable if you've never used them before. Once you've become skilled the rockered setup you'll be able to use them safely until you approach around 20mph. After that they just get a little too wobbly for comfort. Switching between a flat vs rockered or vise versa, the difference is very noticeable, but once you've worn them for a while that difference disappears pretty rapidly because your feet will recalibrate. In most cases, when skating on flat ground, it's pretty hard to skate 15mph for a long period of time, let alone 20+. It's the hills that allow us to get to those faster speeds. I personally prefer a rockered setup because I can control my speed using T-stops on hills. If I ever approach that 25mph range, all I have to do is do a T-stop to slow down a bit and it's all good. Going that fast in skates is really sketchy anyways. As they always say - just 1 pebble and it's all over. Since your skates came with a stock banana rocker, just roll with it on flat. There are so many different maneuvers you can do on a rockered setup that a flat cannot. The only thing flat setups have over rockered is stability in high speeds - speeds at which I feel are unsafe for being on skates.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 oh I get it now.. When you become skilled to use rockered banana setup, it means you've skilled to use the flat setup as well. At that point, when you've skilled to use both of them, It will be more preferably to use banana setup since the flat is only give you more stability to run on 20+ mph. But unfortunately, that speed is not safe when you running on skates.. Thank you mate for answering my question. I greatly appreciate it. God Bless you..
As getting a pair soon, so far been looking at 90mm and see some 84mm what size wheels you think best for commute say 3-10 miles and good for fun in, so know it the 4 wheel set up looking at so far as some 3 wheels has weight limit where I am 10% over, wish I could buy like the parts then build as not find a hard boot skate for 110kg (trying to get to 80-85kg again) and my shoe size
If you're commuting bigger wheels are likely the best choice. I'm not sure what the weight limits are but something like a 110, 125, or 150mm would be good. Considering the weight limit, if you require 4 wheels, using 90mm+ is going to require a larger frame. Most standard freeskates have 85mm wheel frames. Speed skating skates are built for large wheels and 4-5 wheels.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 thanks for the quick reply!! I've dropped this question a few times and never got a response on other channels. Going to try it out. Also, Great informative video!
Good question! I kind of went over it in this video, but I wasn't very clear about it so I'll answer it here. I have a natural rocker similar that of a high-low on a 3 wheel setup. Long-story short it's a smaller wheel in the front with two same sized wheels in the back. For commuting a natural rocker is perfect. For higher speeds of 20mph+, make sure you're confident, otherwise use flat.
4x80: www.inlinewarehouse.com/Powerslide_Ego_Trinity/descpage-18EG.html 3x110: www.inlinewarehouse.com/Powerslide_Nexus_Trinity/descpage-TRIFR.html These are for powerslide skates with the trinity mount. If you have the standard 2 mounting boot/frame than you have to find another one to use.
Hi - I don't have a tutorial on that. I feel like it's something you just have to learn slowly or with something to hold onto like a wall or park bench. Ice skating is a pretty good example of what rockered skates feel like. Perhaps you can take a lesson at a local rink if there is one available.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 I just started learning inline. my trainer has given me full rockered, as my interest was slalom. As a beginner, it is too much wobbling for me even after a week. so i need some tips on how to correct it myself.
@@balakumar9 If you're using a 4 wheel set up than start with just rockering 1 wheel. So you can do a 76-80-80-80 or the 76 in the back until you get used to it.
gah 3 wheel with rocker humm... 5 wheels i like the tracking ! or my skates with 200mm x 50mm wheels x 4 wheels each side off road time? see vids for something
Interesting video :) A quick note : I'd like to see a bit more in front of you during the footages instead of your back. Maybe try keeping the camera a bit more sideway ? (Maybe it's just me)
This series is pre-recorded and most of it is from the back view. There are a few instances of me holding the camera in front for a front-facing view, but they're not for too long. Thanks for the suggestion - I'll remember to mix it up more in the future.
I've been so confused on deciding between 3 vs 4 wheel, 80 vs 110, rockered vs flat and after watching so many videos, this one finally helped me make my choice. The note about 20mph being the point where rockered is noticeably less stable was very helpful.
Awesome! I'm happy you've found it helpful!
Thanks for answering my question! I just started skating about a week ago after getting inspired by channels like yours, Bill Stoppard, and Tiago Inline Skater.
You're welcome and welcome to skating! Thanks for watching and feel free to ask if you have any more questions.
HiLo results in a flat set up. It's same as a flat set up but with different wheel sizes. This allows for a lower boot at the ball of the foot or if you look the other way, bigger wheels at the heel for the same skate height.
Thats a great workout commute you have. I bought a pair of K2's in late 90s never used them and did cycling for cardio for 17 years. Huge mistake. There are male functioning penalties for sitting on a bike seat. Also rollerblading better for preserving your knees than jogging - which I did plenty before knee injuries due to impact overuse forced me to quit. Keep up the good daily low impact workout! Im sure inline skating will make a comeback (once these risks I mentioned in cycling and jogging become more common knowledge).
Absolutely! You keep it up as well. Your dedication to exercise is respectable!
I have never rockered my skates after 4 years of skating. Still learning slalom and wizard moves.
If you're learning slalom, a banana rocker will totally change the game. If you thought you could be smooth with a flat setup, the next level is waiting!
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 I'm buying 76 and 80 wheels right now as we speak! I wanna try it! 🤠🤠🤠
@@SpitefulAZ It'll feel super unstable in the beginning, but once you get it you won't even think about it and you can just enjoy the fluidity of your movements. Have fun!
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 Omg I can't wait! I can already do a decent number of tricks and I have never used a rocker set up.
cool video! what boots are you using in the video?
Thanks! I'm using powerslide hardcore evo
Could you make a video of how you’re stopping are essentially do replays of it in slow motion discussing how you stop at high speeds? You’re so controlled with those stops, it’s super impressive and I find I and a lot of others have a lot of issues doing those types of high speed stops. A lot of videos discuss how to do it, but I think doing it in slow-motion would help a ton
I am strongly against making tutorials because there are so many out there. I've gotten a lot of requests for them so I will strongly consider it. If I do, I will definitely take your comments, questions, and suggestions into account when making the script.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 Thanks! You are right, there are a ton, but no one seems to have done one in slow-mo
Hi - If I May add to that. The diference comparing you to other is that your explanations are very detailed and complete. If you transform that into a more visual explanation showing muscles, positions, etc would be just perfect and a differential. TH-cam has lots of tutorial but very superficial. Thx a lot! And congrats to this video that was just what I was looking for.
@@alans1394 Hi alan I was just reviewing my videos and I'm really sorry I missed your comment! My next video will be on power slides. I will definitely take your suggestions and implement them.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284I'm from the future: You will do such a tutorial on stopping (and it will be your most clicked video)
The Hi-Lo rocker and Banana Rocker on a three wheels setup are the same. You alternate between two rocker positions in either setup. The degree of rockering can be different tho, a 1mm banana rocker, a 2mm banana rocker, a 2mm Hi-Lo rocker, etc
They're kind of the same. On the 3 wheel banana rocker, you have 2 smalls front and back, and mid wheel is bigger. High low, it's small front, two bigs in the back or smallest to largest front to back.
Some constructive criticism: when you first mention a different type of rockered setup, put a diagram up on the screen. It may be hard for a beginner to understand which setup is which when doing their own research😁👍
Thank you - that is some great advice. I will remember that for future videos. I appreciate your feedback :)
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 no problem, keep up the good work
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 I am lost what is rockered and flat
@@alvarsantini2653 It refers to the wheel set up. You can use different sized wheels on the frames to achieve various effects. You can read more here --> www.koleckove-brusle-praha.cz/en/co-je-to-flat-setup-a-co-je-rockered-setup-1/#:~:text=Flat%20setup%20or%20setting%20in,at%20ride%20touch%20the%20ground.&text=Comparing%20to%20this%2C%20wheels%20at,touch%20the%20ground%20all%20together.
Hi! What size wheels do you use for the 3 wheel hi lo rockered setup? Your frame is 3x110, I think. So, is your front wheel 100, and the middle & back wheels are 110?
Hello! In the video I'm using 110 wheels where the front wheel is between 2~4mm smaller and the middle/back wheels are relatively the same at 110mm. Ideally you wouldn't want a wheel size difference to be greater than 4mm. I've tried it before and it gets a little too crazy.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 Thanks so much!!! I guess your front wheel must be just an older, worn down wheel, as I don’t think that you can buy a 108mm or 106mm wheel. Great video!
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 I’m wrong...I think that you can buy a 105mm wheel, which is pretty close. I’m used to ice hockey skates, so I really like a rockered set up.
@@elizabethkostojohn1067 You're exactly right, I'm using an older wheel. I measure all my wheels so I know how many mm each are. I just make sure the difference between the first and middle wheel are a minimum of 2 mm and max of 4mm. Usually when I rotate my wheels, I'll find those small differences in wheel size so I just adjust accordingly.
I am a newbie, I was just bought inline skates, and its came with banana rocker from the factory.
Many videos I watched explain that flat setup is more stable than rockered setup (banana setup?)
After I watched your video and my understanding there're no big difference of both setup in stablility unless we go to the downhill or we skate more than 20 mph. Is this true?
Thanks mate
Hi Penees, there actually is a really big difference when switching between flat vs rockered setups and vise versa. I will say that the flat setup is absolutely more stable than the rockered setup. Banana rockers will feel incredibly unstable if you've never used them before. Once you've become skilled the rockered setup you'll be able to use them safely until you approach around 20mph. After that they just get a little too wobbly for comfort. Switching between a flat vs rockered or vise versa, the difference is very noticeable, but once you've worn them for a while that difference disappears pretty rapidly because your feet will recalibrate.
In most cases, when skating on flat ground, it's pretty hard to skate 15mph for a long period of time, let alone 20+. It's the hills that allow us to get to those faster speeds.
I personally prefer a rockered setup because I can control my speed using T-stops on hills. If I ever approach that 25mph range, all I have to do is do a T-stop to slow down a bit and it's all good. Going that fast in skates is really sketchy anyways. As they always say - just 1 pebble and it's all over.
Since your skates came with a stock banana rocker, just roll with it on flat. There are so many different maneuvers you can do on a rockered setup that a flat cannot. The only thing flat setups have over rockered is stability in high speeds - speeds at which I feel are unsafe for being on skates.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 oh I get it now..
When you become skilled to use rockered banana setup, it means you've skilled to use the flat setup as well.
At that point, when you've skilled to use both of them, It will be more preferably to use banana setup since the flat is only give you more stability to run on 20+ mph. But unfortunately, that speed is not safe when you running on skates..
Thank you mate for answering my question. I greatly appreciate it. God Bless you..
As getting a pair soon, so far been looking at 90mm and see some 84mm what size wheels you think best for commute say 3-10 miles and good for fun in, so know it the 4 wheel set up looking at so far as some 3 wheels has weight limit where I am 10% over, wish I could buy like the parts then build as not find a hard boot skate for 110kg (trying to get to 80-85kg again) and my shoe size
If you're commuting bigger wheels are likely the best choice. I'm not sure what the weight limits are but something like a 110, 125, or 150mm would be good. Considering the weight limit, if you require 4 wheels, using 90mm+ is going to require a larger frame. Most standard freeskates have 85mm wheel frames. Speed skating skates are built for large wheels and 4-5 wheels.
If I were attempting something like a lion x do my skates have to be rockered?
Yes, they should be rockered. It can be forced on a flat setup if you wanted to, but it is really unreasonably difficult.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 thanks for the quick reply!! I've dropped this question a few times and never got a response on other channels. Going to try it out. Also, Great informative video!
Your thoughts on Natural rocker for commuting?
Good question! I kind of went over it in this video, but I wasn't very clear about it so I'll answer it here. I have a natural rocker similar that of a high-low on a 3 wheel setup. Long-story short it's a smaller wheel in the front with two same sized wheels in the back. For commuting a natural rocker is perfect. For higher speeds of 20mph+, make sure you're confident, otherwise use flat.
Hi there can you share a link about the 243mm frame you use for both 4 wheels and 3 wheels?
4x80: www.inlinewarehouse.com/Powerslide_Ego_Trinity/descpage-18EG.html
3x110: www.inlinewarehouse.com/Powerslide_Nexus_Trinity/descpage-TRIFR.html
These are for powerslide skates with the trinity mount. If you have the standard 2 mounting boot/frame than you have to find another one to use.
Where are you skating in this video? It looks like the perfect city.
San Francisco - Not all the roads are as nice as in the video, but if you know where to look there are plenty of nice routes to skate!
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 oh I bet, ive seen pics of the hills 🤣
Is there a tutorial on how to skate rockered skates ?
Hi - I don't have a tutorial on that. I feel like it's something you just have to learn slowly or with something to hold onto like a wall or park bench. Ice skating is a pretty good example of what rockered skates feel like. Perhaps you can take a lesson at a local rink if there is one available.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 I just started learning inline. my trainer has given me full rockered, as my interest was slalom. As a beginner, it is too much wobbling for me even after a week. so i need some tips on how to correct it myself.
@@balakumar9 If you're using a 4 wheel set up than start with just rockering 1 wheel. So you can do a 76-80-80-80 or the 76 in the back until you get used to it.
@@motorlearningaddiction6284 thank you🤩
gah 3 wheel with rocker humm... 5 wheels i like the tracking ! or my skates with 200mm x 50mm wheels x 4 wheels each side off road time? see vids for something
Interesting video :)
A quick note : I'd like to see a bit more in front of you during the footages instead of your back. Maybe try keeping the camera a bit more sideway ? (Maybe it's just me)
This series is pre-recorded and most of it is from the back view. There are a few instances of me holding the camera in front for a front-facing view, but they're not for too long. Thanks for the suggestion - I'll remember to mix it up more in the future.
"Rocker" doesn't"t rhyme with "Black", but I get what you mean
I translate with Google, and I don't understand everything well, however interesting
Dang, I'm sorry. I wish I could help. I appreciate you watching and your comment!
What city are you in?
I'm in San Francisco
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Welcome and thank you!