Faith = Salvation No faith = no salvation Faith without works is dead (James 2) Therefore: Faith without works = no faith As above: no faith = no salvation Therefore: Faith without works = no salvation But this is not teaching salvation by works! Our good works just show that we truly have faith! We don't do good works to earn salvation but we do them because we are promised salvation (out of gratitude, respect and obedience to Jesus Christ, the only one who makes salvation possible). Big difference!
Ask who was James writing to?He tells us clearly that he is writing to the 12 tribes. He is recognising that faithful remnant of Isreal from the 12 tribes. Are you one of the 12 tribes? Paul.clearly says after he received the revelation of the mystery that there is no Jew or gentile but all one in Christ a new creation. James is not writing to the body of Christ but to believing Isreal who were still.under the covenants. That's why they were required to show their faith by their works. Under grace no work are required otherwise Paul says it's not grace. When we fail to rightly divide the word of God it ends up confusion.
@caseman caseman Hi. Paul preached Christ according to the revelation of the mystery that was hidden since before the world began. Roman's 16 v 25 Peter preaches what was spoken by the prophets since the world began Acts 3 v 25 If something is hidden it is not spoken about If something is spoken about it's not hidden The mystery given to Paul was hidden in God God always desired to bless the nations but only through Isreal. Yes covenants were made to the stranger but it was always through Isreal. They were the channel of blessing to the nations. The problem is that Isreal killed their Messiah and even when he was offered to them from the dead they still refused him and killed Stephen. Isreal has fallen and are no longer a channel of blessing to the nations so Goad raised up Paul and gives him the revelation of the mystery how gentiles can be saved without Isreal or covenants and promises and the law but by grace alone through believing and trusting the finished work of Christ. In Galatians 2 Peter agrees to preach the gospel of the circumcision to the jew and Paul the gospel of the uncircumcision to the heathen or gentiles. God is now offering grace to all without Isreal and her covenants and promises. We are members of the body of Christ...this was never prophesied in the OT or even taught by Christ to the 12 disciples. It was revealed only to Paul...he is the apostle to the gentiles. He was given the revelation of the mystery from a risen and asended Christ... Christ earthly ministry was to Isreal as he says "I have not come but to the lost sheep of the house of Isreal" His ministry today is found in Paul's 13 epistles. Peter James and John write to believing Isreal, the little flock. James even says he is writing to the 12 tribes of Isreal. When we separate prophesy from mystery, the body of Christ from Isreal the bible. makes sence. We are a new creation, baptised by the Spirit into the one body without Isreal. That is the mystery.
@@rickorider Paul explains his Mystery in Ephesians: "How that by revelation he made known unto me the MYSTERY; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the MYSTERY OF CHRIST) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is NOW revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the SPIRIT; That the GENTILES should be fellow HEIRS, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" Ephesians 3:3 We are ALL one body in Christ Jesus...there is ONLY one gospel of JESUS Christ... The LORD would never expect different requirements from different believers in JESUS CHRIST as that would be UNJUST... HOW could a perfect & Holy Lord be unjust???? BEFORE Peter had the vision of the clean/unclean animals that represent the JEWs vs the Gentiles, ONLY the Jews were being taught about receiving the HOLY SPIRIT.... Salvation came first to the JEWS then to the Gentiles, but we are ALL in the same body of JESUS CHRIST... WHY in the world would you think that the LORD, the GOD of ISRAEL, the God of Abraham, Issac, & Jacob(HIS Patriarchs) wouldn't include all of HIS Jewish believers? We are grafted into the vine....per JESUS... ISRAEL is the VINE.... The great MYSTERY was that JESUS included the unclean gentiles(US) into His salvation plan.... And back during the OT that was unheard of...as the JEWS did not even eat with gentiles, let alone share their Messiah with them... Love you :)
I would rather live life as if i was being saved and be wrong about that view, than to asume nothing i do can hinder me from heaven, and be wrong about that. Those who truly love God seek to do his word.
It is better for me to believe David Pawson’s teaching because that is the best guarantee to b w God in eternity..We must keep believing.. our faith is a continual process..
@Chris Raynor 3rd Grade reading comprehension skills is fundamental. "....the demons believe [THAT THERE IS ONE GOD]." Read in context please, and stop forcing the text to say what you want it to say!!
When a voice that kept whispering in my guilt “Don’t worry, Jesus will just forgive you.” when I was facing temptation. I was deeply put off by that. How can I have a relationship with someone who knew that I go against them half hazardously and just ask for forgiveness later? My heart was deceiving me. It was becoming the foolish heart that secretly asks.. “is there even a God?”
The message of faith only and the message of commitment of life can't both be the gospel; therefore, one of them is a false gospel and comes under the curse of perverting the gospel or preaching another gospel.(Galatians 1: 8-9)
I had a similar experience losing my purse in a Walmart parking lot. I know it wasn't a book that God wanted printed, but he so looks out for us and cares for us. After leaving the parking lot and driving to work and realizing I didn't have my purse I drove back to Walmart went into the store came back out to my car and just sat and prayed. Few minutes later I drove out further into the parking lot to where I originally was and got out of the car and looked around and walking from even further out from the parking spot was someone carrying my purse! Handed it directly to me. This was in the city... And even though I can't explain the enormous impossibility of the events of this story I just want to encourage all of you that God looks out for us in a ways that we don't even see.
i had a similar experience someone return my wallet to me. There is a sense of hopelessness then when it is found- feelings turn to gratitude. I think Pastor David's point is we love God and do things for him from gratitude.
David Pawson false teacher A WOLF he does not belive JESUS CHRIST THE FOOL JOHN CH 3 VS 16 JESUS CHRIST HIM SELF SAYS HE,,,, GIVES EVERLASTING,,, LIFE TO THOSE WHO BELIVE ME NOT TO KEEP BELIEVING IN ME YOU LIAR, OSAS IS THE DNA OF JESUS CHRIST
My friend and I prayed after she lost her purse. ( & found someone else’s, handed that in ) We drove 3 km home. Half hour later an absolutely gorgeous, golden retriever, running up the road with my girlfriends purse in its mouth .. I leaned down to take the purse patted the dog, it happily ran off up the road. Praise God. We laughed and thanked God
He was a false teacher. If you believe there is anything you can do that will cause you to wind up in hell in the future, then you do NOT believe that the shed blood of Jesus Christ paid your sin debt in full! Eternal security IS the gospel. If you believe that you can lose your salvation, then you don't understand the gospel offer. Jesus guarantees ETERNAL LIFE to the one who simply believes in Him (John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47, etc.). th-cam.com/video/yd4aUoxiRfo/w-d-xo.html
A beautiful sermon. Enjoyed the truth in it. To God be the glory. Thank you Lord for the life of Dr. David Pawson. I am blessed through his ministry of the Word.
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@@herbshattuck6269 I really hope you study dispensationalism and learn how to match scripture with scripture. There is a judgment of Hellfire and salvation then there's another judgment that you will be judged on your works and rewarded for them in heaven but to openly believe you're saved by anything you do is taking away from Jesus dying on the cross! Please stop thinking it has anything to do with the work you do good or bad! There's a separate judgment for works after you get into heaven and saved from hell 🔥
@@jefferyjones8019 I started out in a dispensational church populated by Dallas Seminary grads. I found there are more holes in dispensationalism than the Titanic. I'm not trying to be cute but upon any examination, it quickly falls apart. It was manufactured two hundred years ago as an attempt to reconcile the notion of a one time irrevocable declaration of righteousness equating to the gift of salvation apart from any change within us or produced by us. It was constructed to prop up a false gospel and has been popularized in the last half of the last century.
This man has such a healthy fear of God. He is not teaching us to be paranoid but to never be presumptuous. The deception out here with OSAS is no joke. If every single Bible teacher taught us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling like this, we would have a lot more Christians heading to heaven.
AMEN S.M. 3608 Even The Scripture WARNS us about presumptuous SIN; bc we should never act like we know and understand EVERYTHING, and continually SEEK JESUS CHRIST FOR THE TRUTH and what HE MEANS about EVERYTHING. If we continue to rely on Jesus and seek The Truth, Jesus shows us The TRUTH. People forget that the WAY IS NARROW AND FEW FIND IT ...... I pray that you also endure to the end to be saved. God bless 🐑 JESUS IS LORD.
@@vincent7156 OSAS is a false doctrine of devil's and leading multitudes into hellfire... 😖😖😖💔💔💔💔 The Bible has many WARNINGS for a purpose. Only YOU can decide if you want to heed them.
This man spoke truth. I pray with all my heart that I can find others who are willing to learn the truth and put away their fears and just be taught absolute Biblical truth. I am alone in a foreign country and have yet to find anyone to study with, let alone a church with solid doctrine. :( We are so close to the return of our Heavenly Savior.
He was a false teacher. If you believe there is anything you can do that will cause you to wind up in hell in the future, then you do NOT believe that the shed blood of Jesus Christ paid your sin debt in full! Eternal security IS the gospel. If you believe that you can lose your salvation, then you don't understand the gospel offer. Jesus guarantees ETERNAL LIFE to the one who simply believes in Him (John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47, etc.). th-cam.com/video/yd4aUoxiRfo/w-d-xo.html
I'm not what I ought to be, I'm not what I'm going to be, but I praise the Lord I'm not what I was! That's the processes of salvation of what God is doing. God is doing a good work in me and He will complete the work He's begun, providing I co-operate with Him. ~ David Pawson
James 5:19-20 "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul[a] from death.."
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@@the_alchemy_method That statement is telling that the person was once saved by the Spirit and somehow managed to overpower the Spirit of God and went back to an unsaved condition... please give me the text for that!
@@Majorvideonut2 Why when you will just deny any and every scripture given to you as you have been taught to do. everytime you people are given any scriptures you deny them so why do you want them, just so you can rant and deny them, and feel like you told us off. You people are the world greatest scripture deniers bar none!!!
““I am the true grapevine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit, and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so they will produce even more. You have already been pruned and purified by the message I have given you. Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain in me. “Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing. Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted!” John 15:1-7 NLT
“For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened-those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come- and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame. When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it.” Hebrews 6:4-8 NLT
How much clearer does this need to be?
“Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us. For we know the one who said, “I will take revenge. I will pay them back.” He also said, “The LORD will judge his own people.” It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” Hebrews 10:26-31 NLT
This is talking about Believers that already had the Holy Spirit also were not already saved yet. So Again how much clearer does this need to be?
“And all nations will hate you because you are my followers. But everyone who endures to the end will be saved.” Matthew 10:22 NLT
-Destroyed Those Who Did Not Remain Faithful-
“So I want to remind you, though you already know these things, that Jesus first rescued the nation of Israel from Egypt, but later he destroyed those who did not remain faithful. And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment. And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment.” Jude 1:5-7 NLT
“Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe toward those who disobeyed, but kind to you if you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off.” Romans 11:22 NLT
Barely Saved??? Does not sound like once saved always saved to me...
“For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God’s Good News? And also, “If the righteous are barely saved, what will happen to godless sinners?”” 1 Peter 4:17-18 NLT
These people already knew and were walking with the Lord then fell away. So shouldn't they of been saved already???
“And when people escape from the wickedness of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and then get tangled up and enslaved by sin again, they are worse off than before. It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life.” 2 Peter 2:20-21 NLT
Work out your salvation in fear and trembling...
“Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear. For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him. Do everything without complaining and arguing, so that no one can criticize you. Live clean, innocent lives as children of God, shining like bright lights in a world full of crooked and perverse people.” Philippians 2:12-15 NLT
“Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But evil people and impostors will flourish. They will deceive others and will themselves be deceived. But you must remain faithful to the things you have been taught. You know they are true, for you know you can trust those who taught you. You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:12-17 NLT
“This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of the land of Egypt. They did not remain faithful to my covenant, so I turned my back on them, says the LORD.” Hebrews 8:9 NLT
Again Barely Saved Again, Not Saved Already.
“But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person’s work has any value. If the work survives, that builder will receive a reward. But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.” 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 NLT
He Warns To The Believers To Work Hard So They Will Not Fall Away. Not Saved Already.
“The more you grow like this, the more productive and useful you will be in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But those who fail to develop in this way are shortsighted or blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins. So, dear brothers and sisters, work hard to prove that you really are among those God has called and chosen. Do these things, and you will never fall away. Then God will give you a grand entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:8-11 NLT
“Don’t be afraid of what you are about to suffer. The devil will throw some of you into prison to test you. You will suffer for ten days. But if you remain faithful even when facing death, I will give you the crown of life. “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. Whoever is victorious will not be harmed by the second death.” Revelation 2:10-11 NLT
Whats happens if they are Not Victorious? "Not Saved Already"
“Wake up! Strengthen what little remains, for even what is left is almost dead. I find that your actions do not meet the requirements of my God. Go back to what you heard and believed at first; hold to it firmly. Repent and turn to me again. If you don’t wake up, I will come to you suddenly, as unexpected as a thief.” Revelation 3:2-3 NLT
All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never erase their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine.” Revelation 3:1-2, 5 NLT
What happens if they are Not Victorious?
““Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’” Matthew 7:21-23 NLT
We Are To Keep The Faith Daily, Not Once, But Continue In The Faith.
“Then he said to the crowd, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross daily, and follow me.” Luke 9:23 NLT
“What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”-but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do? So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless. Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.” You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?” James 2:14-20 NLT
Amen amen amen to this! Thanks for summoning it all up! I’m going to copy paste this! Praise God some people are wide awake and don’t have there ears tickled! God bless your soul!
Revelation 3:10-11 ESV Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. [11] I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.
80 quotes on the subject! This is one: I want to know Christ-yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. Philippians 3:10-14 NIV Please don’t tell me you don’t know Christians who drift away so much from the faith and from the decent behavior in Christ that they are pretty much unrecognizable as true part of the brethren. Keep on in the faith! Keep walking in the way of truth and life, being one and holly in Christ. Essential!
Jesus work on the cross is finished it complete When we are saved we are complete in Him - question is when are we saved Matthew 10:22 - The one who stands firm endures to the end will be saved future
@@DavidPawsonMinistry Very sad because NONE of us will ever come up to ENDURE to God's absolute righteousness. We MUST be perfect and Jesus is the one WHO took ALL of God's judgement against my sins--- God sees me in Christ
I would be very careful calling one of God's men an "angel of light". May the Holy Spirit enlighten you to His Truth. The dirty devil wants God's ppl to believe OSAS to get them to believe if they fall back into sin it's ok, then deceive them into hell. Jesus saved us FROM the penalty of sin...not to sin. Come out and be separate is our command. ~Walking By Faith
@@wendymitchell8245 Jesus is The Way. “The Way” tells you it is a process, not a one time deal. We must deny ourselves and take up our cross daily if we want to follow Jesus, not a once upon a time action…. Luke 9:23 if you want to argue with Lord Jesus
This is why we need to have a relationship with God in Christ Jesus so that we are able to be balanced in our on going sanctification by the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus.
Matthew 3:11 “As for me, I baptize you with water because of [your] repentance [that is, because you are willing to change your inner self-your old way of thinking, regret your sin and live a changed life], but He (the Messiah) who is coming after me is mightier [more powerful, more noble] than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to remove [even as His slave]; He will baptize you [who truly repent] with the Holy Spirit and [you who remain unrepentant] with fire (judgment).
The Bible is clear - there are two requirements to be saved 1. The completed finished work of the cross - Jesus has done everything required - for us, everyone to be saved God so loved the world that whoever, believes , in him will be saved - everyone who believes ......will be saved - future BUT this is a conscious choice - to choose Christ - and remain faithful to him 2. Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved ...... through faith Salvation is all about Gods Grace .... there is nothing we could do to earn our salvation because all have sinned and fallen short and the consequence of sin is death But if salvation is independent of anything we do - everyone will be saved, absolutely everyone and the Bible does not say that .....Salvation is But Gods Grace ...... through Faith The greek word for faith and remaining faithful - is the same word So we are saved by Gods Grace if we remain faithful Matthew 10:28 - The one who stands firm to teh end will be saved - its a guarantee its not hopeless at all - but it is a choice we all have to make With a warning - Hebrews 10:26-27 says, For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment. How does that fit with your statement Jesus work is finished - completed ?.......... Well salvation is assured if we remain faithful and we do not deliberately go on sinning .......... Its not a limitation of the cross - its an assurance that if we remain faithful we will be saved Its down to us - a choice
@@DavidPawsonMinistry pretty sure that passage in Hebrews is for tribulation Jews. Read the who chapter. Its a different Gospel. You cannot take the mark during the tribulation or turn from Jesus. Plus we all sin and if we say we have no sin we lie and the truth is not in us. We all deliberately sin. What you are saying is Jesus isnt enough, you have to remain faithful so its our works. WRONG!
Did Jesus not say - "He who endues to the end will be saved".. it about remaining faithful ...to the end - its not about works What Jesus did on the cross was sufficient to reconcile a sinful man to a Holy Father but we have a part to play - we have to repent and be baptised of rte forgiveness of sin Acts 2 and we have to repent - turn way for our old ways Hebrews 10:26 is clear - if we carry on deliberately sinning after we have received the knowledge of truth ( - and do not remain faithful to his commandments ) - no sacrifice is left .....................and that includes Jesus death on the cross Your statement would mean everyone will be saved - the Devil and his Angels believe - but they will not be saved The work to enable us to be reconciled to a holy Father is complete - there is nothing we can do to earn salvation but we are expected to keep his commandments - we are not saved by works but we are saved for works - faith without works is dead..........and if we turn back to our wicked ways - we lose our salvation and it will be worse for us than if we were never saved in the first place 2 Peter 2:20-21 NIV “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.”
Those who ascribe to OSAS doctrine often refer to those who do not as having a "religious spirit". Do you believe in OSAS doctrine, and if so could you please share why?
This guy you call the best teacher of all time was a wolf in sheeps clothing! Why not read your bible! Pawson is in hell now on his false teachings! Compare ALL of his teachings to your bible!
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I do not doubt the late David Pawson's convictions, but I have found if we are really the Lord's that he has a hold on us; and our Salvation is not dependent on us clinging to the Lord. The totality of the Gospel "IS" made complete in Christ alone - it has never been dependent upon human efforts! I too have studied Paul’s writings in depth, and he has never put any credence in his ability of the flesh - everything is based on utter dependency on what the Lord had already accomplished on the cross!
@@LightshipministriesOrg Mark of the Beast will put "Once saved always saved " doctrine to the TEST. David did mentione in the sermon..."Receiver" is the only one who can freely give up his/her salvation.... sadly lot have given up.
Sam Sam Yes I’m afraid so. So many “believers” are wearing masks and cowering in fear, totally submitted to the beast even before the actual mark. We are always tested in life, and have the option to fall away ... but this will be that final moment of truth. The heart that is truly for the Lord just will NOT succumb. God bless you SamSam. Jesus will keep us if we abide, and we will, hallelujah.
Thank God! This is the historic, Orthodox, balanced, Patristic (non Augustinian Calvinistic) view of soteriology - being preached by a dear Protestant father and brother in the faith. Thank God for this clarity. Bless your dear soul dear David Pawson X
The Apostle Paul warned us not to choose between servants ofGod, but to crave "pure spiritual drink"!Let us proclaim Christ, and Him crucified, rather than teachers of doctrine! We have been exhorted that we do not need teachers, since the Spirit is the only teacher we need!
@@suzannegriffiths4795 The doctrines of Jesus is our faith. We need to adhere to them, and mark them in the church who think to teach apostate doctrines, which are another gospel.
@@larrybedouin2921 the problem is that many are making obscure doctrines that are not biblical, but philosophical, into their mantra. God is our teacher, not these "experts" who pounce if you do not agree with their pet "gospel". Jesus did not say that we are saved immediately apon speaking a "sinners prayer", to be followed by worldly living, devoid of conscience or fruit of sanctification. The use of terms such as "imputed righteousness", or "once saved always saved", or "works -based", or "faith -alone" seem to be covers for sin; doctrines that simply aren't in the word of God, and don't belong there! God does not say that faith without works is wonderful! He says it is DEAD! In 1John chapter 3, the Apostle John writes that brothers should not be deceived into thinking that righteousness is imputed; rather, "he who does what is right is righteous, just as Christ is righteous "! We should be very careful listening to "teachers" today. Most seem to be preaching a false gospel!
Well he got one thing right. “ The majority of evangelicals do not believe this” That is because they heard the other side. I have been in a lot of churches in my life of 60 years and the most dedicated believers I know teach eternal security and I believe it is because their motive is love for the LORD rather than fear of losing their salvation.
I have read many of the comments and my heart is broken because of the hearts that should be joined together and building one another up in our most holy faith and reaching out to the lost is non-existent. May God forgive all who have posted with a heart of animosity instead of brotherly love. Lord God, I pray for all the posters and ask that they are forgiven for any hatred that they may have shown in their posts to other believers. In Jesus name our Lord and savior... amen.
Where is the animosity that is breaking your heart? I see opportunity to share/discuss and am happy to have the opportunity! If discussing is too difficult for you, maybe you should leave the conversation?!
Besides the many passages I originally posted here, I was asked specifically for "one" verse in the Bible that states someone lost their salvation. I'll give more than one for context's sake. Read 1 Timothy 5:11-15. Paul is speaking of young widows who left the security of the fold. They were indeed sealed unto the day of redemption had they continued in their faith, but they chose to stray away from it. Here's the quoted passage: " But refuse to enroll younger widows, for when their passions draw them away from Christ, they desire to marry and so incur condemnation for having abandoned their former faith. Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not. So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander. For some have already strayed after Satan." So do you believe the passage for what it says, or do you need to perform some type of Scriptural gymnastics to make it say something else? Does "away from Christ" really mean that? Did they really "abandon their former faith?" Did some of them really "stray after Satan" after they abandoned their previous faith and strayed from Christ? It can be hard to give up beliefs precious to us. I was taught OSAS growing up, and taught it myself for years as an adult believer. It was reading Scripture over and over that led me to question it. Though I was mad initially, I had to admit that Scripture taught me better than my Calvinistic teaching.
What makes these widows saved, other then you saying so. 1Timothy 5:11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; 1Timothy 5:12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. 1Timothy 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. 1Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. 1Timothy 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. 1Timothy 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed. 1Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 1Timothy 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. 1Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. I disagree with you, ALL scriptures have to line up with other scriptures, so how does this line up with your verses here, John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. You interpretation s wrong on these verses.
@@michaelrogottie9197 you can't be a worldly Christian and have Christ. You can't be for the flesh and Spirit both. Or the darkness and the light. You don't know how much darkness you speak. I'm guilty at times.
I sincerely appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge and experiences with regards to the OSAS doctrine! But isn't it funny that the scriptures you shared about 2yrs ago is still generating this much debate and over 300r responses? I believe people just can't bare to see scriptures that soundly undermines the doctrine that they hold so dare!
There is a very simple problem with the dogma of “once saved, always saved.” That problem is that it is just not biblical! The truth is, the dogma of “once saved, always saved” is part of the doctrines and commandments of men. Consider Matthew 15:1-20; Mark 7:1-23 → Galatians 1:6-20 and II John 1:7-11!
This is awesome. I have never agreed that OSAS. As a matter of fact, I can clearly see that, like David Pawson puts it, I am being saved every day as I move on to this life of holiness. Unfortunately, many would not agree just because it is not convenient to their preferences and/or views (in human terms, not in spiritual terms).
@@jimkraft9445 Jesus did NOT die in vain, but He did not die so you can live anyway you jolly well like, we are commanded to persue holiness, also we have to mortify the flesh and bring it under subjection to obedience to God. Hope you understand these biblical facts.
@@jimkraft9445 hi Jim am I lost my salvation I willfully sin against the Lord I knew better .something bad happened to me in 2019 I lost my way with the Lord but I wept over my sin against the Lord is it too late for me. I confused because David in the bible sin with Bathsheba and the Lord forgave him he knew the Lord and fail into sin. I knew better will the Lord cast me away I lost my assurance am I Lost. Is the saying toe it will better I had never been born to know the way of truth. I mess up my life.
@@gloriawalker3381Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be Saved! Get a King James Bible and BELIEVE. Read John. What must you do to be SAVED? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be Saved! Simple. th-cam.com/video/K0ofylYquzM/w-d-xo.html
I believe anyone who walks away has a form of godliness with no power. Head knowledge vs heart knowing. Those who have been and are truly being saved have a heart knowing (a relationship with our Lord and Saviour).
@@cornellkaychannel1487 How? How do i just believe in something that seems so illogical to me? Obviously saying "repent" doesn't just mean I can do this. From a logical standpoint, if I don't know the answer to a question I admit I don't know and then look for the answer. The worst thing I can do is just make up an answer and consider it the truth. So how do I firstly believe in your respective deity, if that can be done then the repent part should be easy. I don't know the origin of the universe, I don't know what if anything existed before the big bang due to the lack of available testable evidence, so how do I just assume something and consider it the truth? How can I believe some eternal all powerful deity did all of this when the evidence for the deities existence is equal to any other deity or just about anything I can just make up? Let me try and make this make sense and hopefully this can help you possibly convert people. What would it take to convince you that Zeus is real and your respective deity false? Lets call your answer "X," can you provide me X for your respective deity? When I ask others this question I often get a whole bunch more claims with no evidence, this actually makes them further from the claim. But at the risk of straw manning you I will not assume this will be your response, instead I will humbly await your response.
What a blessing this was and to hear Brett speak of his love for the Lord and desire to do his will and glorify his name. I can’t wait to see this movie.
It is the same Jesus who said the following: John 14:23-24 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (True Christianity is based in the whole counsel of God, not just one verse!)
@@abashedsanctimony154........ No. I believe in the whole counsel of God. Meaning His promises, warnings, comforts and challenges....... Therefore, I, along with people who do not base their doctrine on what unrepentant preachers tell them, don't believe in OSAS!
Wow!!!What a great thinker this young scalliwag is.....never heard this preached in my many years as a Christian...that we can jump out of his hand.. thankyou for such inciteful teaching.
@@wendymitchell8245 .. No one is sealed secure until in the AGE of heaven. Even angels fell before Creation. Christ said - John 10.26-28 'But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they FOLLOW Me. 28 And I GIVE them eternal life, and they shall never perish; IN THAT AGE, never shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.' Heretics removed 'in that age' from the verse. Parables - Sower and Seed, Build on Rock, Unforgiving Servant. You can never earn heaven, but you can earn hell. Heb 6.4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the AGE TO COME, 6 and then FALLEN away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Eph 2.6-7 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the HEAVENLY places in Christ Jesus, that in the AGES TO COME He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. (Like Catholics/Mary - Baptists have many inventions: Can't Fall, Sinner's Decision Prayer, prohibit wine, dancing). 1Tim 2.12-14 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Rom 8.38-39 For I am PERSUADED that neither ... any other created thing, shall be able to separate US from the love of God. (Paul to Christian martyrs) 1Pet 4.17-18 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 Now “If the RIGHTEOUS one is SCARCELY SAVED, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?” Heb 10.26 For if we SIN WILLFULLY AFTER we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
@@wendymitchell8245 18:08 'Can I interrupt the process of being saved? Can I fall away? Can I jump out of His Hand? Yes.' 18:46 Philippians, Hebrews - 'There is always an expression - not of certainty, but of confident, high hopes - that in your case.'
@@ianyimiah What would be the point of Enduring and holding steadfast to our Faith if Grace is bestowed upon us even if we become Faithless. To say you wouldn't become Faithless because your Gods elect then where is the assurance for people in 1 timothy 4 and what makes you any different to them. They never thought they would depart and what makes you any different. There's no assurance. Faith is pure Assurance.
In the present tense that is. It's a sure thing if Hold it our Faith in Christ and Believeth in the present tense, not a salvation prayer and then 10 years later departing. No assurance in that.
@@wendymitchell8245 Good point. In this case, possibly, since the following verse 13 is about walking. But aren't we splitting hairs here? How can you walk, as a Christian, if you're not saved? It's impossible. You can walk as a Jew, yes, but not as a Christian, which is what Paul is talking about. vs 4. He says, they fell, (dead), even though Christ was with them. They didn't believe. And they were all Jews! (Israelites). More texts on falling: Matt 13/21 & Mark 4/17. Matt 11/6. Heb 2/1. 6/6. (very serious!). 2 Pet 1/10. 3/17. 2 John 8. Jude 24. Matt 5/13? I used to believe this, viz. once saved always saved, because I was taught the perseverance of the saints just after I became a believer, but have since changed my opinion & now agree with DP.
@@missasinenomine I should have been clearer . A Christian can think he is doing well and stumble and fall . That may be pride. ,and then do something he should not . That might not be continual wilful sin ,but no man is sinless pride it'self is sin . That is not saying the believer has rejected all and is living a sinful life. .The true believer who sins will punished in this life ,as a father disciplines his child.
@@wendymitchell8245 Good. Nothing to disagree with here. The acid test is the devil. A true Christian walking with God is aware of the devil constantly, relentlessly suggesting, persuading, urging him to sin. The Christian walk is a dynamic. It's not a fixed state. The person who says, like the Jew, "l'm saved, so I'm OK whatever I do", ought to better watch out! The devil has already anaesthetised him. I've found 22 verses in the NT regarding falling away since hearing this sermon. That's a lot. There's possibly more.
Being a Christian means living in fear 24/7. You will never be safe because the Christian God does not love you unless you are perfect. It is the reason why only arrogant people thrive being Christians
Does it say nothing in all of creation can separate us from the love of God except self ? No it doesn't because the truly born again believer has been born of imperishable seed , and He who began a good work in you will finish it
@@katrinacook8981you must read the bible. The Bible constantly warns believers to walk according to God's will not according to the flesh which is to condemnation. Stop following teachers that lie to you just read the bible it's quite cleare
Salvation is a cooperative relationship in which we start and must continue to trust and obey. For there is NO OTHER WAY to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.
If Christ is our example, we are in trouble, he never sinned. He only did and said everything his father wanted. We do what we want most the day. We say things God would not. Jesus is more than an example, he is savior.
@@Majorvideonut2 I know that verse but it does not say we go to hell for bad fruit, bible just says that we have bad fruit and it will be burned (tried) to see what sort of works they were. When we believe in Jesus fully (not in works) we can remove the log out of out neighbors eye and produce works that last.
If getting to heaven depended on our "holding on," do you think one redeemed person would enter the mansions of glory? Certainly not. No flesh shall glory in its faithfulness. What presumption! "Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:3). How much better is the language of faith: "Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6). From start to finish, "Salvation is of the Lord" (Jon. 2:9). What is the purpose of planting seeds of doubt for that is what Satan does and did in the garden of Eden. We are to help the weak and encourage the fainthearted and also to admonish those who need it. Let's keep the word of truth and so confident in our Lord's ability to keep in His hand those who put faith in Him and remind them that they are also in the Father's hand.
Nobosy is saying that we are called to sinless perfection. But we are called to repentance & growing in holiness after coming to Christ for salvation. Anyone who tells you otherwise is teaching a false doctrines. 1 John 3:7-8 > Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
@@kingdele01 1 Peter 1:15-17 King James Version "But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."
@@ben.s.harper89 but it won't get you to heaven there are two judgements one for salvation and being saved from Hellfire and the other on your works after you get to heaven and are saved from Hell Fire at this judgment you will receive your rewards for your works but nothing you can do alone good or bad saves you or stop you from going to heaven only from Hellfire! Learn dispensationalism and matching scripture with scripture there's an old law and a new law Gentiles are not bound by the Old Law only Israel and Saints which are Israelis or jews
Is Jesus now a liar?John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Here he says I LOOSE NO ONE! Yet you say he does?
@Chris Raynor No it does not. It says I am saved by the finished works of the cross Jesus did. Not man. You openly deny the saving blood of Jesus! Idiot, a overcomer IS A SAVED PERSON!
@Chris Raynor How would you know this? You never met him in public have you Chris so again like he has been telling you over and over, you lie by this post. No one is condoning sin, You simply say we do. Which is a lie. Thats why you are liar posting that any one who believes in OSAS loves sin. No you meatball! Is that in your bible Chris? Mine says, Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? See it?
@Chris Raynor Right here you do deny the cross, Chris Raynor 3 days ago @Dillon I've never denied the blood of Christ.ive told u repeatedly to remain in Christ is imperative.to love Him by keeping His words proving u are His.Relationship ,not screaming faith with the head belief of demons in James2. No love ,then no hope. 1Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Seeing it Chris? Jesus died for ALL the sins of the World.Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Chris Jesus died for all the sins of man, not just their past sins. He died for ALL SINS Chris. Here you lie about the scriptures, Oh it does not say all, Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; All the sins of man for the saved are now judged at the cross, Why are there two separate judgements one of the saved and one of the ones who refused to get saved?
@Chris RaynorJohn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Compare your doctrine to the words of Jesus.
@@abashedsanctimony154 It is not only Calvinism it is the Biblical truth of all evangelical ,and baptist churches.Only the heretical ones like the modern day Methodist ,who do not believe in inspiration or preach the gospel ,teach this false doctrine.
@@JoyDaz00 so if you believe is for past present and future sins then how can anything you do which is the definition of works keep you from going to heaven! IT CAN'TAAAAA!!!!
@@jefferyjones8019 Revelation 22:12 “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” + James chapter 2 + 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
David Pawson is absolutely correct, however the real problem lies with the fundamental error that Justification is viewed as a one time event, and that there can be no expectations of the recipient of God's Grace. th-cam.com/play/PLncffI965_jjUgPwFQEx4xMMx2lfLaRza.html
If you believe (trust) in Christ's atonement and sin your still going to Heaven. End of story. This whole license to sin thing is a farce. You sin every day and there is nothing you can do about it. It's as natural as puberty, it's expected. Do you really think God said Ill save you from your sin just don't sin? That's a completely unrealistic expectation. How can a Holy God send his pefect son to die on a cross for something you can never justify and expect you to never do what you couldn't do from the beginning? That's a retarded personality trait to have and I just don't see it. Good works benefit others. PERIOD! Remember the 2 most important commandments? Remember Titus 3:8 kJV? Hey, every man will be judged for what they do. Especially those in Christ. But eternal life is forever and once you have it it's yours.
Western evangelical churches preach once saved always saved leading to alter calls. Like Calvinism I believed it too until listening to pastor Pawson. I now believe Scripture points to salvation is a process and is available to everyone.
We must “fight the good fight of faith”, we must put on THE FULL ARMOR OF GOD IN ORDER TO RESIST IN THE EVIL DAY & STAND FIRM BY HIS POWER & STRENGTH; we must be FIRMLY ESTABLISHED IN OUR FAITH & not be MOVED AWAY or yes! You shall “fall away”, “go astray”!!! You MUST EXIST IN MESSIAH FOR HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS CRUSHED SATAN & CONQUERED THE WORLD!!!
We will never be perfect until we get to a heaven. We all sin here on earth, although saved we still sin, everyday, we are not perfect. We are saved by believing Christ was born to a Virgin, he did Gods will on earth and died ion the cross so that we who believe and accept him will be Heaven bound. Only when we get there will we be sin free.
Great answer. Too bad we're living in this age of false teachers telling people they have to be perfect to be saved. In the process they are leading so many people to hell. It's absolutely disgusting
Brenda Winner We all sin in soul & body-it's not saved yet, but our spirit never sin-our spirit that God has given to us is our identity in Christ, complete in Christ, righteousness of God in Christ and so on
To be born again Jesus said Mark 1:15 The time promised by God has come at last!” he announced. “The Kingdom of God is near! REPENT OF YOUR SINS and BELIEVE the Good News!” Note Jesus said Repent first then Believe. Peter and Paul both echo that. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Each of you must REPENT OF YOUR SINS and TURN TO GOD, (believe) and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 20:21 I have had one message for Jews and Greeks alike-the necessity of REPENTING FROM SIN and TURNING TO GOD, and of having faith in our Lord (believe)
I used to believe I could lose my salvation when reading from the new translations, but after switching to the KJV I realized the new translations are teaching completely different doctrines. I'll be happy to explain any verses that seems to point towards losing our salvation.
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED When we speak of the eternal security of the believer, what do we mean? We mean that once a poor sinner has been regenerated by the Word and the Spirit of God, once he has received a new life and a new nature and has been made partaker of the divine nature, once he has been justified from every charge before the throne of God, it is absolutely impossible that that man should ever again be a lost soul. Once Saved Always Saved! Many leading Bible teachers are saying "the only criterion for salvation is knowing and believing some basic facts about Christ." The fallout of this thinking, he says, is a deficient doctrine of salvation; justification is not necessarily and inevitably linked to sanctification. People feel they can pray a prayer, receive eternal life, and then go on sinning. The gospel of free grace will lead to holiness. Faith is redefined to include submission, and a man becomes a Christian not by "hearing" and "believing" but by believing and promising God he will submit his life to Christ. This is not to deny that true faith certainly involves a disposition of openness to God and cannot coexist with an attitude of determination to continue to sin. "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" (Romans 6:1). God has already told us what the means of salvation are and what they are not. Works are not a means, whether on the front end or on the back end. The only means necessary for obtaining salvation is faith, and faith alone: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5). The "means" are the washing of regeneration (rebirth) and renewing by the Holy Spirit and not our good works. The means are one-faith. This faith is apart from any means involving works. Here is the key to our modern dilemma. The Reformers feared free grace and, as a result, did not take the Reformation far enough. That is, their doctrine of the saints perseverance in holiness compromised the free grace of God. Because the doctrine of justification by faith alone was potentially vulnerable to the charge of promoting license, the Reformers simply could not let go of the notion that works played a necessary part in our final arrival in heaven. Unable to accept that a regenerate man could live a life of sin and still be saved, they included works on the back end of the gospel as the means (result?) of salvation. If the saints must inevitably and necessarily persevere in godliness to the final hour, then the doctrine of rewards and chastisement at the judgment seat of Christ becomes murky. How can a man who has persevered in holiness be chastised? Since all who are regenerate will be rewarded anyway, perhaps many settle into spiritual dullness thinking all is well with their souls and there are no negative consequences to pay. And if the doctrine of punishment for a carnal life is vague and if the doctrine of rewards is reduced to promise of something that everyone will get anyway, then key motivators for living the Christian life are compromised. The most likely possibility for the continually sinning Christian is that he may not be a true Christian at all. Saints has been set apart by faith in Christ through the Holy Spirit. They are secure and safe in Him. God will persevere with those whom he has called to faith in Christ so that none will be lost. "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled" (John 17:12). The true Grace of God is a gift and will not be earned. The Father does chastise a son whom He receives but will never cast any of His own to hell. "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom" (Matthew 12:32). It is obvious that the question of eternal security is inextricably involved with the question of free grace. If eternal life is truly offered "without cost" and salvation once received can never be lost, it might seem that some would take the grace of God for granted and live unfaithful lives. All motivation is lost, it is feared, to persevere in the life of faith. For the man who claims he is a Christian and who lives a sinful life, the Arminian warns him that he is in danger losing his salvation. The English Puritans, on the other hand, simply say he never had salvation to begin with and he had better re-examine his foundations; he is in danger of hell. Only the man who perseveres in a life of good works to the final hour, they said, is truly saved. The Reformed doctrine of the perseverance of the saints was an outgrowth of the accusations that the Reformation would logically result in moral laxity. It also provided a powerful means of refuting the Arminian teaching of conditional security. This doctrine is not only absent from Scripture but could, if not carefully stated, compromise the freeness of the grace of God. Eternal security of the saints, this doctrine has labored under amazing exegetical contortions at the hands of its advocates. This investigation will lead us into many related doctrines such as the relationship between justification and sanctification, assurance of salvation, and the relevance of the warning passages in the New Testament. Can a true Christian commit apostasy? Does the New Testament teach the existence of the carnal Christian? In addition, we will examine all of the passages commonly brought to bear on the question of eternal security and consider both Calvanist and Arminian exergesis. The entire context of First Corinthians describes activities of true Christians which parallel nearly every item in verses 9-10. They were involved in sexual immorality (6:15); covetousness (probable motive in lawsuits, 6:1); drunkenness (11:21); dishonoring the Lord's table (11:30--for this reason some of them experienced the sin unto death); adultery (5:1); and they were arrogant (4;18; 5:6). Yet this group of people that acts unrighteously, and that is guilty of all these things has been washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (6:11)! They were washed and saved from all those things, and yet they are still doing them. That is the terrible inconsistence which grieves the apostle through all sixteen chapters of this book. His burden in 6:9-10 is not to call into question their salvation (he specifically says they are saved in verse 11. He said they are "sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints" (1:2) but that they were carnal (3:1,3). Sexual sin or getting drunk. Again, these sins cannot cause a true believer to lose his salvation. Surely a believer can lose fellowship with his Father but God does not leave a believer. The Spirit of God does not leave us when we are not good enough to please Him that delivered us from the wrath to come. "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (I Corinthians 5:5). Salvation is the full pardon by grace from the penalty of all sin, past, present and future. The man who had 'his father's wife' - a terrible sin - didn't lose his salvation thereby. "I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee." (Isaiah 44:22) King David committed sins of murder and adultery and in the fifty-first Psalm, the prayer of David shows that he had not lost his salvation, but the joy of salvation. "And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD, And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die" (II Samuel 12:13). That God preserves His people from apostasy and sees to it that all of His elect ultimately enter heaven is the clear teaching of Holy Scripture. "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (I Peter 1:2,4,5). The Grace of God, the seal of the Holy Spirit, preserves you permanently. This is called the doctrine of eternal security. "The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul. The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore" (Psalm 121:7-8). John Stewart ~ hbh@email.com minds.com/lovejoypeaceforever
@Bob Smith Thanks Bob! I needed to see that. Not only does the Holy Spirit convict us of sin, but teaches us as well. God Bless you Bob! I really do mean this. So many on here teaching a works salvation & ot6her doctrines it is not funny!
The gift of God is eternal life. Believe on JESUS CHRIST For Eternal Life. It's a Done Deal. Salvation is a Work of God for man, Rather than a Work of Man for God. Jesus Christ paid it all. Simply Believe. Acts 16:31
one can have grace with works whether one believes its a one time deal or not , cant one? i do agree that Pawson is wrong in one respect. While he cant say in the future that he will be saved, he should rest asured in the present that hes in good standing with Jesus, experientially and morally, like with a good friend.
@@chriswest6652 Paul says if it's of works it is no longer grace. If works are required for salvation then it's no more grace. If it's grace for salvation then there are no works. If works are required then it diminishes the finished work of Christ. Have a good day!
@Ναζωραῖος What cross are you picking up? Where are you following him to as he is not here? That instruction was given to his disciples and those who would follow Christ into the kingdom. We are saved by grace alone and nothing you can do can keep you saved. If so why didn't you save yourself in the first place. We we understand our identity in Christ alone you are not required to produce fruit to show your worthy. To show fruit diminishes the finished work of Christ as it is not your fruit sat saves you but Christ and Christ alone. That is the revelation of the mystery given to Paul how how gentiles can be saved without Isreal and fruit bearing, without the law, without covenants but by grace alone. When we believe and trust the finished work of Christ we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and baptised by the Spirit into the one body. Of course we are to walk right but our walk does not save us. We walk right because of who we are in Christ. When we understand who we are in Christ we will want to walk right but that doesn't save us..Christ does.
@@Angel40seven Ask who was that being said to? It us clearly to the nation of Isreal. We are not Isreal...we are members of the body of Christ...saved not by our own works but the finished work of Christ. Paul alone gives us the gospel that saves us today when the risen Christ gave him the revelation of the mystery how gentiles can be saved without Isreal and covenants and promises but by grace alone, trust in the world Christ did fir our salvation. Paul says clearly that we are saved by grace without works. I am trusting in the finished work of Christ for my salvation without my own work. Paul teaches we are crucified with Christ and buried with him and risen with him. A dead man cannot be accused of not doing enough works. Before God I am dead but in Christ I am alive in his resurrection power. That can never be cut off. Your verse is to Isreal not us.
@@Angel40seven If you study carefully Gid has given different instruction to different people. He told Noah to build a boat...is he telling you to build one? He told Abraham that he would make his seed a great nation to bless other nations...has he told you that. He gave the commandments to Moses to give to Isreal to keep but they could not and neither can you. Christ told the 12 disciples to keep the law. Christ told Paul that we are not indeed law. Paul was the last person that Christ gave instructions to from heaven which is different from his earthly ministry to Isreal. Christ never told the 12 disciples about the revelation of the mystery that he gave to Paul. We need to separate what was prophesied and what was revealed in the mystery. Paul tells us to rightly divide the word if God. All scripture is for us but not all scripture is written to us as there are different messages that God has given. God doesn't change but they way he deals with men does. James says works are required as well as faith. Paul says no works are required only grace and if works are required then its no longer grace. James writes to the 12 tribes of Isreal There are no tribes of Isreal in the body of Christ.
You can believe in what Mr Pawson is saying or not, but it is not the gospel. It is a teaching for the believer to consider, not the unbeliever. The gospel is, the preaching of repentance, seeing the judgment of your sins placed upon Jesus, and faith in the bodily resurrection of the God Man, Jesus. That's it. Unfortunately, many things get added into "the gospel" which simply aren't true. Other teachings may in fact be true, but that doesn't make them part of the gospel. Every believer must go on believing the gospel to be saved, for we are saved by grace through faith, and follow His commandments.
@@toddcote4904 okay. I understand your point. Let me rephrase. He was not directly preaching the gospel. However he was preaching to the correct method of how to be saved. It is not by waiting around for God to predestine you. It is not by resting in one prayer or a Doctrine. It is repentance and following Jesus as Lord, as you said.
@@davidasholesjr181 I certainly agree he's teaching a good thing. It's a good teaching for a believer. I agree with what I think you're trying to say too. I'm against the frozen chosen or carnal Christian doctrines as well. You could say that James was dealing with that problem as well. A bunch of professing believers that weren't working out their faith, but rather were continuing in their sin. And he called them adulterers. I would say the 80 verses he referenced to, are the means of grace that God uses to keep the elect from falling away. They are real warnings with real consequences. The distinction that I would make is, not that they were truly born again then were lost, but that they're part of the visible church and walked away because they were false converts. They only believed while it was they're desire to do so, but were turned away due to temptations or difficulties showing them to never have truly been born again. Therefore, those who fall away or walk away from the faith, only prove the teaching of Christ that false converts exist, not that someone who was truly born again and sealed by the Holy Spirit "lost" their salvation.
A balanced (whole biblical) perception of salvation by David Pawson. Jesus is not a license to sin, and those that believe and spread such false doctrine are in for a rude awakening.
How many were saved in Noah' s day? How many were saved in Lot's day? Matthew 7:14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Think that why Christians still consider minority compare to the whole population of 7 billion , Christians are the few who know Jesus is the way , the truth and the life
@@brunocarneiro7754He is preaching a false doctrine. He then questions what Jesus did on the cross was enough to save you & keep you saved. Bruno, he is teaching oh Jesus saves, but he needs our help in doing so. This is not what Paul taught. Jesus says he looses no one, yet man rips scriptures out of the context they are in to add to the cross. This is known as a works salvation. Saved by faith alone & nothing else.
@@brunocarneiro7754 I've tried to exchange with Pawson but last I heard he is still recovering from a fall and was in hospital. That may be why you still see a fellow named Steven responding in these threads for David. Friend. If you get the chance, ask David Pawson or better yet ask yourself: Do you know the difference between titles baptism and baptism in the name of Jesus ? Answer: You should. Pawson via his friend Steven had no response for that question. And I tell you a certain Pawson video on the so-called holy trinity was edited because of that exchange. Lord Jesus ... offers ... us the free gift of salvation. Meaning we have to ... accept ... that free gift. Lord Jesus doesn't force someone to accept. Question: How ... does someone accept Lord Jesus' offer of salvation ? Answer: First the baptism of repentance. Followed by a life of good works which includes many things: study and share what Lord Jesus teaches you. Wash each other's feet. Give generously. Lay hands on the sick. Fasting and not just from food, praying, etc, etc. You probably understand the baptism of repentance means turning away from sin and for the rest of our earthy lives. And that leads to the next question: What is proper water baptism ? If you witnessed a water baptism using the phrase: "I baptize you in the name of Lucifer for the remission of sins" ... you'd know that's an incorrect water baptism. Meaning if there is such a thing as an incorrect water-baptism then there is such a thing as correct water-baptism. Answer: Man of God. Not woman of God but a man of God who dunks you under water completely declaring exactly: "I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins." This per Acts 2: v38 and Acts 19: v1 thru v7 and many other script. Titles baptism: "I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit/Ghost for the remission of sins." Titles baptism is wrong because it does not use the name of Jesus. You won't find anyone in the Holy Bible baptizing or performing any miracle using: Father, Son, Spirit. But you will find them doing those things using the name: Jesus. Before you go to that man of God, ask him if he knows the difference between titles baptism and baptism in the name of Jesus ? ... if he doesn't find someone who does. Moving on. Why does the Holy Bible talk so much about people being punished because they did not do the will of God ? ... it means there is God's will and there is our own will. And we must learn to do [read: works] the will of God Whose name is Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. How did Lord Jesus start His three-year earthly ministry ? Answer: Proper water-baptism followed by a second and separate Spiritual baptism before going off fasting forty-days in the wilderness. What else does proper water-baptism do for someone ? Answer: It puts us in a proper relationship with Lord Jesus Who acknowledges our good work of repentance and He let's us know His identity. Lord Jesus is God and He is one God. And God of the Old Testament is the same God as the God of the New Testament. Meaning God of the Holy Bible is one God Whose name is Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. God being one is the oldest doctrine in the Holy Bible. Believe it. I was a trinitarian, now I'm not. I attended a small Baptist church when I was given revelation and made aware Lord Jesus is one God. He is not a three-in-one god nor a two-in-one god like trinitarians or binitarians would have you believe. God being one means He is Father and Son and Spirit and hundreds of other titles at the same. Certainly none around me in that church were saying such things. By the way, church is not any particular denomination nor building nor place. Church is wherever two or three are gathered in the name of Jesus; even if that's the middle of a field at night. amen. Change gears with an illustration: You imagine Lord Jesus standing by Himself looking at you smiling. You say: That's Lord Jesus. He is God and He is Son of God. Amen. You imagine Lord Jesus walk over and stand next to the "Father." Now you say: Lord Jesus is not God ? ... He is only Son of God ? Trinitarians and binitarians confusingly say: Lord Jesus is God and Lord Jesus is not God. People who've been properly water baptized know Lord Jesus is Father and Son and Spirit and hundreds of other titles at the same time because He is one God: Deuteronomy 6: v4 ... Hear O Israel. The LORD our God is one LORD Mark 12: v29 ... And Jesus answered him. The first of all the commandments is: Hear O Israel. The Lord our God is one Lord Isaiah 45: v21 ... Tell ye and bring them near. Yea let them take counsel together. Who hath declared this from ancient time ? Who hath told it from that time ? Have not I the LORD ? And there is no God else beside me. A just God and a Saviour. There is none beside me John 1: v1 ... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. And the Word was God Revelation 1: v8 ... I am Alpha and Omega. The beginning and the ending, saith the Lord. Which is, and which was, and which is to come. The Almighty
Man, Calvinists must have never listened or read anything by David Pawson (what's the meme for hands-over-ears-shouting-nah-nah-nah-nah?). This makes perfect sense even without the very clear evidence... either you can reject salvation or you cannot - if you can reject it outright you can certainly reject it anytime after as well.
@@dillon6428 keeping the faith and enduring to the end isnt works........trying to keep the 10 commandments to get to heaven is called works....wake up
@Chris RaynorYou're a liar Chris. you know nothing of me let alone having ever met me in person. have you met me in person Chris for you to say this, YOU: Many OSAS I've talked to online,have a brainwashing hard to overcome.. they hang on a few verses,with no context elsewhere,and are determined to have permission to live the way they please.ive been cursed severely by some, proving the demonic heresy. When u show proof of the here's,they continually say" not true". Deceived,intentionally disobedient when confronted with facts Sad. Turn away from this damnable doctrine of sloppy agape.WHAT FACTS have you posted. You posted the same thing over & over . No verses, just no holiness no salvation. This is pretty much what you post, oh yea,you toss out Colossians 1:22-23 out . Thats ALL you post. These words YOU posted here makes you a liar! Whats the word of God say about liars Chris?
@Chris Raynor this boy has no understanding of scriptures at all, He claims he taught bible study, to who seeing he doesn't know any verses. There are NO IF"S in salvation, no conditions. Post the scriptures on the steps YOU took Chris to be saved. Post them.
@@themotorcycleguy5980here's another one who has not a clue, refute the Holy Spirit in the believer if you can, Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long is the believer sealed for? Till when? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Whats this? Sealed till the day of what? REDEMPTION! Now post the scriptures to say YOU can break the Holy Spirit God sealed the believer with. This outta be good.
PLEEEEEEEEASE TELL ME HOW OR WILL JESUS CHRIST EVER.. UN.. REDEEM HIS OWN EVER ? HOW CAN A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN BE COME ,,UN ,BORN ,AGAIN ? OSAS IS VERYTRUE READ JOHN CH 3 VS 16 VERY CLOSE JESUS CHRIST GIVES EVER LASTING LIFE TO WHO SO EVERY BELIEVES IN HIM IS HE LYING ? HOW LONG IS EVER LASTING ????????
“Also I say to you, whoever confesses Me before men, him the Son of Man also will confess before the angels of God. But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God. Luke 12:8-9 - NKJV To confirm our salvation we must 1) confess Jesus before other people, in public; 2) walk in love. Loss of our salvation can only be done by publicly denying Jesus. But remember: God knows our hearts and knows if we are confessing Jesus in public while denying His Lordship in private, in our heart: I.e. lip service. Our love for God, Jesus, Holy Spirit should compel us to daily, loving devotion & obedience to Them, love for our fellow man, and love for the lost.
David Pawson is absolutely correct, however the real problem lies with the fundamental error that Justification is viewed as a one time event, and that there can be no expectations of the recipient of God's Grace. th-cam.com/play/PLncffI965_jjUgPwFQEx4xMMx2lfLaRza.html
I think following God’s Word is of paramount importance as a guide for assurance of our salvation. The Holy Spirit illuminates God’s Word for us and gives us understanding as to whether we are on the “narrow road.” I think we should always use Scripture to verify that “feel good feeling” we might get as confirmation that we are on the right path. Satan can trick us into thinking all is well. The early Christians did not have Scripture, but they were under the Law. We are under God’s New Covenant and that’s why we have His written Word.
I found this on Yahoo! Answers: I'll briefly explain why the Bible does not teach OSAS. Notice the following Scriptures: Ezekiel 3 20. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 21. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. Ezekiel 18 23. Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24. But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to All the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. It is argued that this is an Old Testament standard no longer applicable to the New Testament. We shall see. Romans 11 19. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. I Corinthians 15 1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. These passages are senseless unless falling from grace is a real possibility. Galatians 5 1. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. You cannot fall from a grace you never had. Paul is speaking to Christians, not unbelievers. If it is not possible to fall from grace, this warning is nonsensical. II Timothy 2 12. If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: Hebrews 3 10. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. 11. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) 12. Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Hebrews 4 11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. II Peter 2 20. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. James 5 19. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20. Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. Although OSAS proponents twist and turn mightily to explain away the heretofore referenced passages, there is no Scripturally valid rebuttal to what these verses plainly teach. Consider the cited passage from James 5. James is referring to "Brethren" and says "if any of YOU do err from the truth, and one convert him...save a soul from death..." (emphasis added). Clearly, a brother in the Lord can err from the truth and experience the death of the soul. Revelation 3 3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. How can your name be blotted out if it wasn't there in the first place? The above references are in no way exhaustive. There is no question OSAS is false doctrine.
Please notice that this verses of Ezekiel are given: - under the LAW; = performance covenant (today we are under the time of GRACE) - for Jews only (we are not Jews, but believers from gentile nations) ...
@@greenleader413 Nobody can earn their way into heaven. No amount of good works will save a person. There are conditions God sets to gain eternal life though.
@@greenleader413 It's the attitude of good works and not the count.I mean we need to be born again to see the kingdom.Its like you are asking how much we should be born again.
@@timothyseals3791 theres conditions to obtain a free gift? and apparently since people believe you can lose salvation they think the Lord is an indian giver as well. salvation is a one time event once you believe you are sealed with the Holy spirit until the day of redemption. the church of Corinth was carnal yet they were still called bretheren. yes you will have good works. even if its just one good work. but you don't have to work to be saved. For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:2-5 KJV
@tinawilson3693 I am in the exact same boat. The Bible is clear, but the theological establishments are strong and the rest of the church struggles to understand the Bible for themselves (partly because they don't read and study it on their own) so they have rely heavily on popular, "big name" pastors/ministers--just because they went to seminary or have a huge following...or, sadly, only a lot of charisma--because they think that's safer.
Another question for all of you OSAS believer! Supposing a man, who believes in OSAS and had "saving faith" in the "finished work" of the Lord, starts to doubt the existence of God & later turns to violent atheism & sexual immortality. Does such a person need to repent of His sin of unbelief & perversion, in order to be saved? Or did he have irrevocable eternal life, from from when he first believed even throughout his wickedness?
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, So who holds the salvation of men? 2Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. So why would this guys sins not be forgiven? Did Jesus die for all the sins of man? If you say yes then his sins are forgiven even though he did not repent of them. Jesus saves, not repenting. If you say repenting saves ,then why did Jesus just not say repent? There are all kinds of verses to say repent, BUT you stated a saved person in a backslidden state is not going to repent. Why? Thats because you stated he is in backslidden mindset. Now did Jesus or God remove the Holy Spirit from him? No, Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. So did God abandon him? No.
@FireOfTheLord You clearly have no clue as to what a IFB is. I doubt very seriously any IFB ever preached salvation can be lost. Just cause a person says I am this or that does not mean it is all true. I myself been in a few IFB churches and it was nothing as you posted. Nothing. What I did see is you posting a bunch of nonsense saying these are what IFB thinks and believes. Fact is, IF, If I was in a church even like the men you mentioned, I would of walked out of them. Now if you stated these were Southern Baptist I would agree cause I am seeing this more and more in the SB church along with women preachers and letting gays in as deacons and so on.
He wasn't saved in the first place. That person believed in vain. OSAS is niblical. If a person , believes in his or her heart , they are saved. But if the person lied, and disnt believe in it really. Well yeah,they are doomed . But look at someone like David. He commit adultery, super wicked. But yet. In the NT, he is called a man after God's own heart. And David is saved. When you saved, your sins are removed as far as the east is from the west. Romans 4 very strong , our sins are covered .
Unless GOD does the Teaching, then what man imagines rules the heart! John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. Who can believe the Grace of GOD is Supreme over all the acts, words, and thoughts of the Elect! For those not taught of GOD, imagine if you can how GOD could turn someone over to Satan for destruction so the spirit be saved in the day of the LORD! 1Cor 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
You are telling the truth. Amen Brother. 1 Tim 2:7 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle-- I am telling the truth, I am not lying-- and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles. (NIV) 1 Cor 15:34 34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God-- I say this to your shame.(NIV) Salvation is a process. I agree. OSAS or Once Saved Always Saved is a doctrine for those who want to remain in sin, they use examples, illustrations or verses in the bible for their own personal pursuit and their favorite example is the criminal on the cross the bible actually do not mention thief it is criminal in Luke 23:40-43 NIV. In KJV mentioned wrongdoer in NIV criminal. The OSAS ADVOCATES usaually say even i trespass i am still saved, even i kill i am still saved because once saved is always saved, its ridiculous. The Bible said in Hebrews: this is for Christians who received the knowledge of the truth (been saved) take note of the word "if we deliberately". Heb 10:26-27 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. (NIV) Matt 24:12-13 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. (NIV) Yes, in salvation first we have to believe but after we believe we have to follow the commandment of Jesus Christ. Jesus said if you love me follow my commandments. The bible said: Col 3:5-10 5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. (NIV) Jesus said in John 15:4 Remain in me, and i will remain in you. how about someday you won't remain in him? OSAS ADVOCATES uses John 10:28 no one can snatch them out of my hand. how about someday you want to get out of the hand of God? Yes, God would like to keep you, us in his hand but if you want later to get out of his hand? God will not force you to remain in him because its your choice and our choice. Col. 1:28 28 We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. (NIV) Many would like hear beautiful words even it is lie. If you are a servant of God you have to tell the truth. By telling the truth many will hate who tells the truth. True servant of God do not please men. Gal 1:9-12 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. 11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (NIV) The saying goes "we cannot please everybody everytime". The only recourse is to please God not to please men. God Bless.
+Alvin Padua yes, i do commit sin/tresspass (not willfully/deliberately) but sin/tresspasses that do not leads to death. 1 John 5:16-17 16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death. 1 John 3:4-6 4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 1 John 3:7-10 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. 1 John 1:9-10 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. We can argue but do not hate and judge. Just sharing the word of God. Shalom and God Bless.
John Trevett unbelief/disobedience if someone does not obey Jesus,they either prove they dont really believe in him or they believe but spit in his face
Hello Isaac. I have a problem cussing. I don't want to anymore, and ask God for forgiveness every time I do it. Can you please pray for me? I love God and don't want to go to Hell. 😞
Lola Fly Not even you can pluck yourself out of his hand, because no man can pluck us out of his hand, because he is greater than all, including you. We are sealed until the day of redemption by the Holy Ghost. Not even you can break that seal, because it is until the day of redemption.
livingforJesus Amen!! No man can pluck anyone out of the Fathers hand! He is greater than all. John 10:27-29. And we are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise ( Ephesians 1: 13,14) and how long? Until the day of redemption ( Ephesians 4: 30)!
And you are wrong about this! You cannot pluck yourself out of Jesus or God's hands! Once you come to Christ you are a servant of his! LOOK up servant!
John 10:27.. My sheep hear my voice, and i know them and they follow Me.And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish,neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand... The salvation won for us by Christ is permanent not a fluid/ temporary salvation.
So we are all doomed to hell. We all sin my friends as we are still sinners by nature and practice. 1 john 1 :8.Thank God for the true Gospel ( different to Mr.pawsons gospel) " if we confess our sins, He ( jesus) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness . 1 John 1 :9.
The OSAS heresy (unbiblical) has resulted in the most hellish carelessness in Christianity in this day. I can find self-professing “Christians” by the hundreds who engage in the most worldly, sinful pursuits who think they have a no-fault insurance policy because of some “decision” they once made. It is a tragedy of epic proportions.
You are absolutely correct! One of my closest friends used to pursue Christ and Holiness before meeting & marrying a very worldly OSAS girl. After a while he became really careless and slowly became worldly like her.
Mr. Wilson. It is indeed a tragedy of epic proportions. You may find this channel very helpful expanding and diving deep into the gospel which you already know and love. Grace and Peace. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
Herb Shattuck I would also refer to you a decades-old book titled Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up by David Bercot. He re-emphasizes the modern heresies which have developed in direct contradiction to the Apostles and early church fathers, not to mention Scripture itself. The necessity of enduring until the end, of being baptized, of gaining holiness are all presented as the biblical position that has been lost to today’s “Christians.”
Salvation is once saved always saved as stated by all who have taken this step . Final , never are we perfect here on earth , but only when we meet our Lord and Saviour in the Rapture . Praise GOD . Hope you don’t die before the supposed work must keep going until you are perfect . Tonight you may die WHAT THEN 😳
Romans 11:22..... "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
@Chris Raynor It has been explained to you over and over Chris, You outright lie on OSAS! You been told what it is. You have no understanding of scriptures. Your so blinded by your cult teachings it will be sending you to hell. Your cult is right and the word of God is wrong based on I only like some verses! Thats the teachings!
@Chris Raynor Honestly Chris, so all Italians are no longer US citizens of this country? So my years of service in this countries military means nothing? Sorry bud, but I need no green card as neither does Michael. Only heretics here are you and Kingdele.
@@kingdele01 Liar! Try going onto this video where Chris was posting before you came along, It is called HISCHANNEL 103. Go there & tell me we are making things up. You post with not knowing the truth! Chris was run off of that video!
Mans tradition also divides the law into civil ceremonial and moral where there is no scriptural basis for this distinction but there is 6 that is found in the law judgements mishpat 4941, words dabar 1697, ordinances mishmereth 4931, statutes kuqqah 2708, commandments 4687, instruction/law 8451. Pauls 7 uses of law 1) law of God (Romans 3:31; 7:22-25, 8:7) Torah defines what is sin and what is not sin 2) law of sin (Romans 7:23-25) The spirit in us directs us or instructs us towards the law of God. The flesh directs pr instructs us toward the law of sin. At the ressurection, the law of God will finally completely prevail over us and the battle and internal struggle between flesh and spirit will be over for us. The race will have been run and won. However, before that happens, we are in sin and sin leads to death. 3) law of sin and death (Romans 8:2) The instruction of the flesh, or sin, leads us to death, and this is known as the law of sin and death. We were all under the law of sin and death before we enter the faith, yet we did not realize it at the time. Our flesh calls the law of sin freedom, whan it is actually bondage, and it is bondage that leads to death. The instruction of sin from our flesh leads to the instruction from God that demands our death because of sin. We live our lives under the law of sin and death until we have a desire for truth; that desire comes not from the flesh, but from the Spirit. 4) law of the spirit of life (Romans 8:2) The law of the spirit tells us the law of God is the truth Once it is heard. It leads us toward the law of God, and away from the instruction of the flesh. The spirit exposes the flesh and its natural predisposition for sin. Then, it is the moment when the law of the spirit enters into us that we imediately realize we are under the law of sin and death. It is then that we realize we are in prison and bondage to our own sin. We then understand that we are in a hopeless state. Once we realize that we are in prison, we desire a way out. We then look to our Creator for the way out. The spirit or desire for truth and desire for freedom causes us to establish the faith in our Creator and His eternal and authoritative unchanging word. 5)law of faith (Romans 3:27) The law of faith is to conform your way of thinking to the Word of God. Paul refers to this as becoming a new man. In the faith, one adopts the word of God and the authority over their lives. This is contrary to the flesh as your authority, which sees the word of God as bondage. This so not a mental assent, but a transformation of our core beliefs and foundation that directly impacts how we perceive the world and interact with it. In obedience to the law of faith, we see the word of God as freedom and the way to live. It is also once we enter into this faith, and run the race in the faith, that we are granted eternal life through His grace. It is our internal transformation and spirit or desire for his word that leads to salvation from the law of sin and death. This js occuring before we do anything, which also demonstrates that salvation is not a matter of works, but a new creation in us. However, that new creation in us causes us to want to practice rightiousness. 6)law of rightiousness (Romans 9:31) The law of rightiousness is the imstruction tonlive out our faith, it simply means to practice rightiousness. It is the doing of the right ways of our Creator. This is in effect of our faith. Because we believe the Word of God to be the truth and the right way to live, our lives should resemble living righteously. This is in contrast to living in the flesh, which is after our own ways, which are like filthy rags to our creator. Our creators ways are rightious, and the rightiousness we practice is the evidence or fruit of our faith. This rightiousness, or right way to walk out the law of God, has been evidenced in the lives of manybthroughout the ages. The most popular is through Jesus Christ. 7)law of christ (1 Corinthians 9:21) The law of Christ is his intructions, as an example, to follow the law if God in the faith. Our messiah never once spoke his own instruction from his own authority. He simply repeated and practiced the valid interpretation of the eternal unchanging word of God that has assisted sonce the beginning. It is in Jesus that all of these laws are reconciled and understood. Jesus taught us the law of God as truth. He pointed out our sin, teaching us that our son leads to death. He told us that we need to be saved from the law of sin and death. For that to happen, we need to listen to the spirit to enter the faith of the Word of God. Our messiah lived his life in the word of God perfectly. That enabled two things. One, he now serves as the perfect example on how to walk out the Torah or the law of God. we must not isolate portions of letters nor contextual and authorial intent when reading scripture by relying on chapter vs. Alone to make a doctrine. We also must not read the 66 as 2 seperate promises or 2 seperate intentions bc its not written that way nor was it prophiced in that manner. Everything was written about the end from the beginning. Isa 46:10. Remember chp vs didnt exist until 1551 new and 1571 old. Theres alot of mans tradition and doctrine and by proxy esigeited interpretation mainly for protestant and roman Catholic which presuposes foundational claims before we even start reading the text. The early church fathers are to blame for this and a continues build up of further presumpasition over the centuries. If u read my comment in main section i discuss this and cite sources to evidence it. Rid urself of all leaven (mans tradition matt 16:6) and look at scrioture from Gen 1:1 to rev 22:21 reading it as one continued and fulfulling promise and revelation to bring his people into his ways and his love by our freewill choice to either be with him or reject his ways all the times people tried to half ass or do it their way instead of relying on God alone and His instructions it'll come out completely different and contridictory to the scripture and its self dancing on sand. Dispensation is a heresy as i explain in part in comments below my main comment. I cite alot of sources to test out and alot of scripture to verify that people dont even know exist or believe christ came in total contridiction to God and did away with everything which would not only make him a sinner but also a liar and a hypocrite considering all his claims and all the prophices that need to be skipped oveer tossed out and reading the scriptures with a sharpie and scissors. Truly go through each positional claim and test the things i presented not on the basis of a presumpasitional doctrine that isnt found in scripture (prov 4:2) but asking what is Sinn (lev 5:17; numb 15:30-31; 1 john 3:4 ect) how do we love God ex. 20:6 deut 5:10; john 14 ect) what the decalougue actually is(10 words also in hebrew dabar [not mitzvah- being commandments]) and that his whole law and commandments for all people as they apply is from the beginning before moses wrote it down (roms 4; Gen 26:4; Noah named unclean and clean; cain and able sacrificed ofnfirst fruits; adam and eve sinned by breaking all 10 words and in addition ex 20:6 deut 5:10 plus duet 4:212:32 and many ohers just by eating from the tree of knowledge and hiding from God and denying responsibility and not repenting. Read psalm 19:7; all.of 119 and many other passages i cite. Majority of people are hardwired to deny Gods ways and this was prophiced to happen in song of moses Daniel isa ez jer ect. Malachi being the last again stating for us to come back into his grace mercy and promises by believing in Him and his ways obeying and doing them as seen cover to cover after we are punished for a short time but to not lose hope in his redemptive promise. We also must be alive in our faith read all the epistles outside of pauls, and their contrary claims in consideration w how paul is misused and misinterpreted creating unnecessary contridictions both old and new and within itself, which we are warned about doing in by Peter 2 pet 3. Be safe and well test what i have claimed against its claim and not "well that cant be right bc i disagree by this doctrine of men". Aks me to defend and to clarify what i mean by removing ur lens of presumpasition and be a good berean testing everything against the tanakh (law and prophets as they did when the gospel was being presented as being fulfilled which isnt only the new test but from Eden.) to be approved before God 1 thes 5:21 psalm 90 12 2 tim 2:15 1 tim 1:8-11. what and how is the law of God the way truth light and life? Who example are we to follow? The law is: The way ex 18:20; deut 10:12; Josh 22:5; 1 kin 2:3; psa 119:1; prov 6:23; isa 2:3; mal 2:8; mark 12:14; acts 24:14 The truth psa 43:2-4; 119:142; mal 2:6; rom 2:20; Gal 5:7; jo 8:31-32 Life job 33:30; psa 36:9; prov 6:23; Rev 22:14 Light job 24:13; 29:3; psa 36:9; 43:2-4; 119:105; prov 6:3; isa 2:5; 8:20; 51:4; 2 cor 6:14; 1 jo 1:7 Jesus is: the word of God jo 1:1-14 Law acted out jo 14:6 The law is liberty psa 119:44-45; james 1:25; 2:12 Jesus is our liberty gal 5:1 Whats the doctrinal issue? Prov 4:2 Salvation by grace through faith Blessings by the law through obedience Wisdom vs foolishness prov 12:1; 15:5-15, 32; 29:1-25.
1 John 2:3-4: “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
Matthew 24:9-10,24 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Amen Brother. You may also be interested in this channel which compliments what you have posted. Grace and Peace. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
What the vast majority of the evangelical world has completely missed is that there are the Works of the Law or the Works of the Flesh which can never justify a man. That would be categorized as a Works Salvation. But there is another category of works which count as righteousness. These are the works/fruit which proceed from an abiding/obedient faith walk. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. But the gospel which misdefines grace, faith, justification and thereby, salvation itself will not even hear anything that mentions or in the slightest way hints that there is a requirement on our part even though the Bible is replete with commands for believers. It is an error of untold devastation. To whom much is given, nothing can be expected we are told, otherwise we undermine the Finished Work of Jesus. It is such a falsehood which will doom multitudes.
water baptism and repentance are not works of the flesh neither works of the law of Moses, they are the law of righteoussness and obedience unto faith.
@@herbshattuck6269 oh, ok. Hope you are born again of water and Spirit already. If not, it is urgent to obey, it is for your soul! Read John 3:5-7 and than Acts 2:37-38
Amen, glory to God for a preacher who do His bidding, pastor david pawson...although i came to know about him today only april172021, im deeply moved by how he preach the full counsel of the Lord...i will read my bible and cherish Gods words for us who believe... 🙏
The first question is when are you saved ? There are many verses in the Bible that indicate you can lose your salvation - Hebrews 10:26 is but one "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sin is left" .....after we have received.. And Jesus own words in Matthew 10:22 "You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved" ........Being saved is an event in the future ..... for those who run and complete the race and Rev 3:5 "The one who is overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels ....... has an implication.... to those who overcome ........will be saved - future Once you are saved, then David would agree with you Jn 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
@@DavidPawsonMinistryRead Hebrews 10 again. You are not only SAVED but sanctified and PERFECTED FOREVER BY ONE OFFERING. MOREOVER who did the will ? Jesus Christ said LO I COME TO DO THY WILL O GOD! To paraphrase. Jesus Christ did it all. Moreover it shows that your sins are not only FORGIVEN but NO LONGER REMEMBERED. Those who draw back in UNBELIEF and DESPITE GRACE are the ones with no sacrifice as you cannot go back to blood and bulls which offered by law. If righteousness come by the law Christ is dead in Vain. Get right with God! th-cam.com/video/K0ofylYquzM/w-d-xo.html
Be ye thou faithful unto death, and I will give you a crown of life. Another one says; He who overcomes shall not be forgotten but shall rejoice in paradise. What happens if you don't overcome I am the and my Father the gardener......... All these scriptures are telling us we have a roll to play. Your scripture saying no one shall plack them out of my hands means,... as long as you abide in him (remain in the vine) no one can snatch you out of Jesus's pulm
@@DavidPawsonMinistry This is when we are saved....when we believed and sealed by the Holy Spirit.......Not at Glorification which is where you want to define salvation as happening.......You are a false teacher........Ephesians 1:13-14 "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession-to the praise of his glory." Once you are marked in him with a seal; the promised Holy Spirit when you believed......From that point on you have eternal life and cannot lose your salvation.......You are teaching heresy...... please be quiet.
Obedience to God is the best way to show that you believe in Him. To teach that one is saved forever simply by believing and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior is certainly a heresy. Satan himself believes in that and he is definitely not saved!! Believing in Jesus is not simply believing about him being the Lord and Savior but it is believing in His words. And if you really believe in His words and recognize Him truly as Lord of your life, then you will obey.
If you are searching scripture and worried that you might have lost your salvation after years of backsliding. Is it the Holy Spirit trying to reach out? What I’m trying to ask: If your heart is harden you will not care or worry but if your trembling in fear that to me means you still have time. Is this correct ?
David Pawson is absolutely correct, however the real problem lies with the fundamental error that Justification is viewed as a one time event, and that there can be no expectations of the recipient of God's Grace or what Saving Faith is. th-cam.com/play/PLncffI965_jjUgPwFQEx4xMMx2lfLaRza.html
Mr. Pawson, did you ever question that your Savior was enough. Mine is Jireh, and will forever be enough! We might lose ourselves, but He never loses us.
Exodus 20:16-17 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Are you saying that there are no conditions that we must meet in order to be saved? You are saying that we are saved no matter what we do or do not do?
@@timothyseals3791 Yes, God saves us when we ARE dead and ungodly . He makes us perfect through the FINISHED and complete work of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Iam seen in heaven now by God, simply because God sees me in Christ with His righteousness
People who say that we do not need to do anything to get saved, are not following the bible and are not saved. Anyone who says that we can not lose our salvation, does not understand how to be saved.
Faith = Salvation
No faith = no salvation
Faith without works is dead (James 2)
Therefore:
Faith without works = no faith
As above: no faith = no salvation
Therefore:
Faith without works = no salvation
But this is not teaching salvation by works! Our good works just show that we truly have faith! We don't do good works to earn salvation but we do them because we are promised salvation (out of gratitude, respect and obedience to Jesus Christ, the only one who makes salvation possible). Big difference!
Ask who was James writing to?He tells us clearly that he is writing to the 12 tribes. He is recognising that faithful remnant of Isreal from the 12 tribes.
Are you one of the 12 tribes?
Paul.clearly says after he received the revelation of the mystery that there is no Jew or gentile but all one in Christ a new creation.
James is not writing to the body of Christ but to believing Isreal who were still.under the covenants.
That's why they were required to show their faith by their works.
Under grace no work are required otherwise Paul says it's not grace.
When we fail to rightly divide the word of God it ends up confusion.
@caseman caseman Hi. Paul preached Christ according to the revelation of the mystery that was hidden since before the world began. Roman's 16 v 25
Peter preaches what was spoken by the prophets since the world began Acts 3 v 25
If something is hidden it is not spoken about
If something is spoken about it's not hidden
The mystery given to Paul was hidden in God
God always desired to bless the nations but only through Isreal. Yes covenants were made to the stranger but it was always through Isreal. They were the channel of blessing to the nations.
The problem is that Isreal killed their Messiah and even when he was offered to them from the dead they still refused him and killed Stephen. Isreal has fallen and are no longer a channel of blessing to the nations so Goad raised up Paul and gives him the revelation of the mystery how gentiles can be saved without Isreal or covenants and promises and the law but by grace alone through believing and trusting the finished work of Christ.
In Galatians 2 Peter agrees to preach the gospel of the circumcision to the jew and Paul the gospel of the uncircumcision to the heathen or gentiles.
God is now offering grace to all without Isreal and her covenants and promises.
We are members of the body of Christ...this was never prophesied in the OT or even taught by Christ to the 12 disciples.
It was revealed only to Paul...he is the apostle to the gentiles.
He was given the revelation of the mystery from a risen and asended Christ...
Christ earthly ministry was to Isreal as he says "I have not come but to the lost sheep of the house of Isreal"
His ministry today is found in Paul's 13 epistles.
Peter James and John write to believing Isreal, the little flock. James even says he is writing to the 12 tribes of Isreal.
When we separate prophesy from mystery, the body of Christ from Isreal the bible. makes sence.
We are a new creation, baptised by the Spirit into the one body without Isreal.
That is the mystery.
@@rickorider Paul explains his Mystery in Ephesians:
"How that by revelation he made known unto me the MYSTERY; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the MYSTERY OF CHRIST)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is NOW revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the SPIRIT;
That the GENTILES should be fellow HEIRS, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" Ephesians 3:3
We are ALL one body in Christ Jesus...there is ONLY one gospel of JESUS Christ...
The LORD would never expect different requirements from different believers in JESUS CHRIST as that would be UNJUST...
HOW could a perfect & Holy Lord be unjust????
BEFORE Peter had the vision of the clean/unclean animals that represent the JEWs vs the Gentiles, ONLY the Jews were being taught about receiving the HOLY SPIRIT....
Salvation came first to the JEWS then to the Gentiles, but we are ALL in the same body of JESUS CHRIST...
WHY in the world would you think that the LORD, the GOD of ISRAEL, the God of Abraham, Issac, & Jacob(HIS Patriarchs) wouldn't include all of HIS Jewish believers?
We are grafted into the vine....per JESUS...
ISRAEL is the VINE....
The great MYSTERY was that JESUS included the unclean gentiles(US) into His salvation plan....
And back during the OT that was unheard of...as the JEWS did not even eat with gentiles, let alone share their Messiah with them...
Love you :)
@@traceya9039 Thankyou...great verses about the mystery...vary rarely explained these days. Great post!
@@rickorider Your welcome, ALL Glory to the Holy Spirit for showing me :) HALLELUJAH!! :)
I would rather live life as if i was being saved and be wrong about that view, than to asume nothing i do can hinder me from heaven, and be wrong about that. Those who truly love God seek to do his word.
That is true wisdom!
It is better for me to believe David Pawson’s teaching because that is the best guarantee to b w God in eternity..We must keep believing.. our faith is a continual process..
Levi S are you not aware that this "play it safe" logic of yours is what God detests?? That it is what means you are not saved???
@Chris Raynor 3rd Grade reading comprehension skills is fundamental.
"....the demons believe [THAT THERE IS ONE GOD]."
Read in context please, and stop forcing the text to say what you want it to say!!
@Chris Raynor do you sin?
When a voice that kept whispering in my guilt “Don’t worry, Jesus will just forgive you.” when I was facing temptation. I was deeply put off by that. How can I have a relationship with someone who knew that I go against them half hazardously and just ask for forgiveness later? My heart was deceiving me. It was becoming the foolish heart that secretly asks.. “is there even a God?”
Exactly what I went through brother.
What was the outcome of that situation? Are you still on the narrow path or have you fell off ...
This is a true man of God! Many blessings to you Pastor Pawson!
Truth In Love
The message of faith only and the message of commitment of life can't both be the gospel; therefore, one of them is a false gospel and comes under the curse of perverting the gospel or preaching another gospel.(Galatians 1: 8-9)
No, This man is preaching a false gospel.
Seriously, this is from Satan, not God.
I had a similar experience losing my purse in a Walmart parking lot. I know it wasn't a book that God wanted printed, but he so looks out for us and cares for us. After leaving the parking lot and driving to work and realizing I didn't have my purse I drove back to Walmart went into the store came back out to my car and just sat and prayed. Few minutes later I drove out further into the parking lot to where I originally was and got out of the car and looked around and walking from even further out from the parking spot was someone carrying my purse! Handed it directly to me. This was in the city... And even though I can't explain the enormous impossibility of the events of this story I just want to encourage all of you that God looks out for us in a ways that we don't even see.
i had a similar experience someone return my wallet to me. There is a sense of hopelessness then when it is found- feelings turn to gratitude. I think Pastor David's point is we love God and do things for him from gratitude.
I have had things like this often. Just seeing Him around me - he amazes me.
David Pawson false teacher A WOLF he does not belive JESUS CHRIST THE FOOL JOHN CH 3 VS 16 JESUS CHRIST HIM SELF SAYS HE,,,, GIVES EVERLASTING,,, LIFE TO THOSE WHO BELIVE ME NOT TO KEEP BELIEVING IN ME YOU LIAR, OSAS IS THE DNA OF JESUS CHRIST
My friend and I prayed after she lost her purse. ( & found someone else’s, handed that in )
We drove 3 km home. Half hour later an absolutely gorgeous, golden retriever, running up the road with my girlfriends purse in its mouth .. I leaned down to take the purse patted the dog, it happily ran off up the road.
Praise God.
We laughed and thanked God
@@theodoreritola7641 you are calling David Pawson a wolf? Gonna stand by that on judgement day?
This is the true and Biblical doctrine that all generations needs to listen. We need a man of God like David Pawson
He was a false teacher. If you believe there is anything you can do that will cause you to wind up in hell in the future, then you do NOT believe that the shed blood of Jesus Christ paid your sin debt in full! Eternal security IS the gospel. If you believe that you can lose your salvation, then you don't understand the gospel offer. Jesus guarantees ETERNAL LIFE to the one who simply believes in Him (John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47, etc.). th-cam.com/video/yd4aUoxiRfo/w-d-xo.html
A beautiful sermon. Enjoyed the truth in it. To God be the glory. Thank you Lord for the life of Dr. David Pawson. I am blessed through his ministry of the Word.
There is no truth in Pawson, READ your bible Michael, TEST ALL spirits!
Amen Mr. Jeyabalan. If you are interested in further study along these lines, then you may be interested in checking out this channel. Thank you and god Bless. This channel may be of interest to you. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
@@herbshattuck6269 I really hope you study dispensationalism and learn how to match scripture with scripture. There is a judgment of Hellfire and salvation then there's another judgment that you will be judged on your works and rewarded for them in heaven but to openly believe you're saved by anything you do is taking away from Jesus dying on the cross! Please stop thinking it has anything to do with the work you do good or bad! There's a separate judgment for works after you get into heaven and saved from hell 🔥
@@jefferyjones8019 I started out in a dispensational church populated by Dallas Seminary grads. I found there are more holes in dispensationalism than the Titanic. I'm not trying to be cute but upon any examination, it quickly falls apart. It was manufactured two hundred years ago as an attempt to reconcile the notion of a one time irrevocable declaration of righteousness equating to the gift of salvation apart from any change within us or produced by us. It was constructed to prop up a false gospel and has been popularized in the last half of the last century.
@@herbshattuck6269 pretty sure it's in the Bible the word of God was written long before that
This man has such a healthy fear of God. He is not teaching us to be paranoid but to never be presumptuous. The deception out here with OSAS is no joke. If every single Bible teacher taught us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling like this, we would have a lot more Christians heading to heaven.
you are as lost as he is. What part in the cross did you have?
@@vincent7156 🎯
Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be Saved! Jesus Christ paid it all!
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AMEN S.M. 3608
Even The Scripture WARNS us about presumptuous SIN;
bc we should never act like we know and understand EVERYTHING, and continually SEEK JESUS CHRIST FOR THE TRUTH and what
HE MEANS about EVERYTHING.
If we continue to rely on Jesus and seek The Truth, Jesus shows us The TRUTH.
People forget that the WAY IS NARROW AND
FEW
FIND
IT ......
I pray that you also endure to the end to be saved.
God bless 🐑
JESUS IS LORD.
@@vincent7156
OSAS is a false doctrine of devil's and leading multitudes into hellfire... 😖😖😖💔💔💔💔
The Bible has many WARNINGS for a purpose. Only YOU can decide if you want to heed them.
This man spoke truth. I pray with all my heart that I can find others who are willing to learn the truth and put away their fears and just be taught absolute Biblical truth. I am alone in a foreign country and have yet to find anyone to study with, let alone a church with solid doctrine. :( We are so close to the return of our Heavenly Savior.
Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be Saved!
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He was a false teacher. If you believe there is anything you can do that will cause you to wind up in hell in the future, then you do NOT believe that the shed blood of Jesus Christ paid your sin debt in full! Eternal security IS the gospel. If you believe that you can lose your salvation, then you don't understand the gospel offer. Jesus guarantees ETERNAL LIFE to the one who simply believes in Him (John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47, etc.). th-cam.com/video/yd4aUoxiRfo/w-d-xo.html
I know what you mean. I feel alone in the world.
@@roseannemaye9263 so do I
Have you found someone to help you study? I am a Bible tutor. Maybe I can help you?
I'm not what I ought to be, I'm not what I'm going to be, but I praise the Lord I'm not what I was! That's the processes of salvation of what God is doing. God is doing a good work in me and He will complete the work He's begun, providing I co-operate with Him. ~ David Pawson
Yes, those who are led by the Spirit of Holiness are sons of God, Romans 8:13&14
It’s called sanctification!
James 5:19-20 "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul[a] from death.."
That was an EXCELLENT proof text. Amen.
Exactly right. You may be interested in this channel which most likely compliments what you have come to understand. You may find it helpful or even fascinating. Thank you and God Bless. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
So how do other Christians bring back a brother or sister who has fallen away?
@@the_alchemy_method That statement is telling that the person was once saved by the Spirit and somehow managed to overpower the Spirit of God and went back to an unsaved condition... please give me the text for that!
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Why when you will just deny any and every scripture given to you as you have been taught to do. everytime you people are given any scriptures you deny them so why do you want them, just so you can rant and deny them, and feel like you told us off.
You people are the world greatest scripture deniers bar none!!!
““I am the true grapevine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit, and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so they will produce even more. You have already been pruned and purified by the message I have given you. Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain in me. “Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing. Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted!”
John 15:1-7 NLT
“For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened-those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come- and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame. When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it.”
Hebrews 6:4-8 NLT
How much clearer does this need to be?
“Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us. For we know the one who said, “I will take revenge. I will pay them back.” He also said, “The LORD will judge his own people.” It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Hebrews 10:26-31 NLT
This is talking about Believers that already had the Holy Spirit also were not already saved yet. So Again how much clearer does this need to be?
“And all nations will hate you because you are my followers. But everyone who endures to the end will be saved.”
Matthew 10:22 NLT
-Destroyed Those Who Did Not Remain Faithful-
“So I want to remind you, though you already know these things, that Jesus first rescued the nation of Israel from Egypt, but later he destroyed those who did not remain faithful. And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment. And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment.”
Jude 1:5-7 NLT
“Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe toward those who disobeyed, but kind to you if you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off.”
Romans 11:22 NLT
Barely Saved??? Does not sound like once saved always saved to me...
“For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God’s Good News? And also, “If the righteous are barely saved, what will happen to godless sinners?””
1 Peter 4:17-18 NLT
These people already knew and were walking with the Lord then fell away. So shouldn't they of been saved already???
“And when people escape from the wickedness of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and then get tangled up and enslaved by sin again, they are worse off than before. It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life.”
2 Peter 2:20-21 NLT
Work out your salvation in fear and trembling...
“Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear. For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him. Do everything without complaining and arguing, so that no one can criticize you. Live clean, innocent lives as children of God, shining like bright lights in a world full of crooked and perverse people.”
Philippians 2:12-15 NLT
“Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But evil people and impostors will flourish. They will deceive others and will themselves be deceived. But you must remain faithful to the things you have been taught. You know they are true, for you know you can trust those who taught you. You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.”
2 Timothy 3:12-17 NLT
“This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of the land of Egypt. They did not remain faithful to my covenant, so I turned my back on them, says the LORD.”
Hebrews 8:9 NLT
Again Barely Saved Again, Not Saved Already.
“But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person’s work has any value. If the work survives, that builder will receive a reward. But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.”
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 NLT
He Warns To The Believers To Work Hard So They Will Not Fall Away. Not Saved Already.
“The more you grow like this, the more productive and useful you will be in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But those who fail to develop in this way are shortsighted or blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins. So, dear brothers and sisters, work hard to prove that you really are among those God has called and chosen. Do these things, and you will never fall away. Then God will give you a grand entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:8-11 NLT
“Don’t be afraid of what you are about to suffer. The devil will throw some of you into prison to test you. You will suffer for ten days. But if you remain faithful even when facing death, I will give you the crown of life. “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. Whoever is victorious will not be harmed by the second death.”
Revelation 2:10-11 NLT
Whats happens if they are Not Victorious? "Not Saved Already"
“Wake up! Strengthen what little remains, for even what is left is almost dead. I find that your actions do not meet the requirements of my God. Go back to what you heard and believed at first; hold to it firmly. Repent and turn to me again. If you don’t wake up, I will come to you suddenly, as unexpected as a thief.”
Revelation 3:2-3 NLT
All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never erase their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine.”
Revelation 3:1-2, 5 NLT
What happens if they are Not Victorious?
““Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’”
Matthew 7:21-23 NLT
We Are To Keep The Faith Daily, Not Once, But Continue In The Faith.
“Then he said to the crowd, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross daily, and follow me.”
Luke 9:23 NLT
“What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”-but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do? So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless. Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.” You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?”
James 2:14-20 NLT
Very nice !
Amen amen amen to this! Thanks for summoning it all up! I’m going to copy paste this! Praise God some people are wide awake and don’t have there ears tickled! God bless your soul!
Revelation 3:10-11 ESV
Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. [11] I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.
80 quotes on the subject!
This is one:
I want to know Christ-yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 3:10-14 NIV
Please don’t tell me you don’t know Christians who drift away so much from the faith and from the decent behavior in Christ that they are pretty much unrecognizable as true part of the brethren.
Keep on in the faith! Keep walking in the way of truth and life, being one and holly in Christ. Essential!
This is an angel of light
When we are saved we ARE COMPLETE in HIM. Jesus is made my sanctification. HIS work on the cross was FINISHED
Jesus work on the cross is finished it complete
When we are saved we are complete in Him - question is when are we saved
Matthew 10:22 - The one who stands firm endures to the end will be saved future
@@DavidPawsonMinistry Very sad because NONE of us will ever come up to ENDURE to God's absolute righteousness. We MUST be perfect and Jesus is the one WHO took ALL of God's judgement against my sins--- God sees me in Christ
I would be very careful calling one of God's men an "angel of light". May the Holy Spirit enlighten you to His Truth.
The dirty devil wants God's ppl to believe OSAS to get them to believe if they fall back into sin it's ok, then deceive them into hell. Jesus saved us FROM the penalty of sin...not to sin. Come out and be separate is our command.
~Walking By Faith
@@7kidsrgreat7 that is so profound " we are saved from sin ....not to sin " David also did a teaching on Galatians - Liberty : "freedom not to sin"
@@DavidPawsonMinistrythat’s talking about the tribulation and the Jews surviving til the end I do believe
9-12-23 I will see you in Heaven Brother David ❤️ 🙏🏽 💯
Brought my excitement back in Studying the Living Word of God
His love & devotion for the gospel is a blessing to have.
He is in Paradise with Almighty GOD & JESUS!
If I could put 5 golden stars to this message;
Oh what an amazing message!
Yes!
IT SUITS THE UNBELIEVER.
@@wendymitchell8245 be sure to cling to Christ the older you get , the weaker you get.
@@wendymitchell8245 Jesus is The Way. “The Way” tells you it is a process, not a one time deal. We must deny ourselves and take up our cross daily if we want to follow Jesus, not a once upon a time action…. Luke 9:23 if you want to argue with Lord Jesus
@@Ladybug1222 only if you get dementia and forget everything, but God is faithful.
This is why we need to have a relationship with God in Christ Jesus so that we are able to be balanced in our on going sanctification by the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus.
OH glory to God for this sound doctrine. God bless you sir🙏🙏
Will Jesus Christ EVER ,,,UN,, REDEEM HIS OWN ? Can a born again be come,, un,,, BORN AGAIN , OSAS IS VERY TRUE
Matthew 3:11
“As for me, I baptize you with water because of [your] repentance [that is, because you are willing to change your inner self-your old way of thinking, regret your sin and live a changed life], but He (the Messiah) who is coming after me is mightier [more powerful, more noble] than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to remove [even as His slave]; He will baptize you [who truly repent] with the Holy Spirit and [you who remain unrepentant] with fire (judgment).
Prayers that we all finish well!
Praise the Lord for being a preacher David Pawson!
The first sermon I've heard by Saint David Dawson, absolutely wonderful & beautiful & eye opening.
Watch his videos on marriage/divorce and remarriage. They are just as good and enlightening
God bless you, I have been hearing him since the late seventies. Today I heard this one 9-4-24!!!!!! Such a meaty speaker.
If the FINISHED and completed work of the Lord Jesus Christ doesn't save once for all --- then we are all hopelessly lost
The Bible is clear - there are two requirements to be saved
1. The completed finished work of the cross - Jesus has done everything required - for us, everyone to be saved
God so loved the world that whoever, believes , in him will be saved
- everyone who believes ......will be saved - future
BUT this is a conscious choice - to choose Christ - and remain faithful to him
2. Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved ...... through faith
Salvation is all about Gods Grace .... there is nothing we could do to earn our salvation because all have sinned and fallen short and the consequence of sin is death
But if salvation is independent of anything we do - everyone will be saved, absolutely everyone and the Bible does not say that .....Salvation is But Gods Grace ...... through Faith
The greek word for faith and remaining faithful - is the same word So we are saved by Gods Grace if we remain faithful
Matthew 10:28 - The one who stands firm to teh end will be saved - its a guarantee its not hopeless at all - but it is a choice we all have to make
With a warning - Hebrews 10:26-27 says, For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment.
How does that fit with your statement Jesus work is finished - completed ?.......... Well salvation is assured if we remain faithful and we do not deliberately go on sinning .......... Its not a limitation of the cross - its an assurance that if we remain faithful we will be saved
Its down to us - a choice
@@DavidPawsonMinistry Very strange how so many say the work Jesus accomplished is FINISHED but then we must DO DO DO to maintain HIS completed work
@@DavidPawsonMinistry pretty sure that passage in Hebrews is for tribulation Jews. Read the who chapter. Its a different Gospel. You cannot take the mark during the tribulation or turn from Jesus. Plus we all sin and if we say we have no sin we lie and the truth is not in us. We all deliberately sin. What you are saying is Jesus isnt enough, you have to remain faithful so its our works. WRONG!
@@darthjedi99 Thank you for a faithful warning
Did Jesus not say - "He who endues to the end will be saved".. it about remaining faithful ...to the end - its not about works
What Jesus did on the cross was sufficient to reconcile a sinful man to a Holy Father but we have a part to play - we have to repent and be baptised of rte forgiveness of sin Acts 2 and we have to repent - turn way for our old ways
Hebrews 10:26 is clear - if we carry on deliberately sinning after we have received the knowledge of truth ( - and do not remain faithful to his commandments ) - no sacrifice is left .....................and that includes Jesus death on the cross
Your statement would mean everyone will be saved - the Devil and his Angels believe - but they will not be saved
The work to enable us to be reconciled to a holy Father is complete - there is nothing we can do to earn salvation but we are expected to keep his commandments - we are not saved by works but we are saved for works - faith without works is dead..........and if we turn back to our wicked ways - we lose our salvation and it will be worse for us than if we were never saved in the first place
2 Peter 2:20-21 NIV
“If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.”
God please have mercy on us all and bless the whole body of Christ.
Deliver us from religious spirits
Yah
Those who ascribe to OSAS doctrine often refer to those who do not as having a "religious spirit". Do you believe in OSAS doctrine, and if so could you please share why?
The best teacher of our time..
Listening through you tube from India..
This guy you call the best teacher of all time was a wolf in sheeps clothing!
Why not read your bible! Pawson is in hell now on his false teachings! Compare ALL of his teachings to your bible!
Amen Brother. Here is a link to a channel which you may also find helpful. Thank you and God Bless. This channel may be of interest to you. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
I do not doubt the late David Pawson's convictions, but I have found if we are really the Lord's that he has a hold on us; and our Salvation is not dependent on us clinging to the Lord. The totality of the Gospel "IS" made complete in Christ alone - it has never been dependent upon human efforts! I too have studied Paul’s writings in depth, and he has never put any credence in his ability of the flesh - everything is based on utter dependency on what the Lord had already accomplished on the cross!
Yes, exactly!
Your statement does show you doubt the late David Pawson's.
@@Anil-gt2kn I said his CONVICTIONS I don't doubt, read it in contexts.
@@LightshipministriesOrg Mark of the Beast will put "Once saved always saved " doctrine to the TEST. David did mentione in the sermon..."Receiver" is the only one who can freely give up his/her salvation.... sadly lot have given up.
Sam Sam Yes I’m afraid so. So many “believers” are wearing masks and cowering in fear, totally submitted to the beast even before the actual mark. We are always tested in life, and have the option to fall away ... but this will be that final moment of truth. The heart that is truly for the Lord just will NOT succumb. God bless you SamSam. Jesus will keep us if we abide, and we will, hallelujah.
I pray Pastor Pawson knows that he is saved. I hope he gets many hugs and cuddles. This is wonderful teachings. God bless.
52:30 He responds to that here
Thank God! This is the historic, Orthodox, balanced, Patristic (non Augustinian Calvinistic) view of soteriology - being preached by a dear Protestant father and brother in the faith. Thank God for this clarity. Bless your dear soul dear David Pawson X
So you're a calvinist..?
@@jefferyjones8019 No I'm not, I'm (non Augustinian /Calvinist)
The Apostle Paul warned us not to choose between servants ofGod, but to crave "pure spiritual drink"!Let us proclaim Christ, and Him crucified, rather than teachers of doctrine! We have been exhorted that we do not need teachers, since the Spirit is the only teacher we need!
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The doctrines of Jesus is our faith.
We need to adhere to them, and mark them in the church who think to teach apostate doctrines, which are another gospel.
@@larrybedouin2921 the problem is that many are making obscure doctrines that are not biblical, but philosophical, into their mantra.
God is our teacher, not these "experts" who pounce if you do not agree with their pet "gospel".
Jesus did not say that we are saved immediately apon speaking a "sinners prayer", to be followed by worldly living, devoid of conscience or fruit of sanctification.
The use of terms such as "imputed righteousness", or "once saved always saved", or "works -based", or "faith -alone" seem to be covers for sin; doctrines that simply aren't in the word of God, and don't belong there!
God does not say that faith without works is wonderful! He says it is DEAD! In 1John chapter 3, the Apostle John writes that brothers should not be deceived into thinking that righteousness is imputed; rather, "he who does what is right is righteous, just as Christ is righteous "!
We should be very careful listening to "teachers" today. Most seem to be preaching a false gospel!
Well he got one thing right. “ The majority of evangelicals do not believe this” That is because they heard the other side. I have been in a lot of churches in my life of 60 years and the most dedicated believers I know teach eternal security and I believe it is because their motive is love for the LORD rather than fear of losing their salvation.
You are very right. Love should be the motivation for serving God not the fear of hell..
The foundation of Christianity is fear and terror.
James says some are won by fear and others by grace . The nature believer knows it's both . Which leads us to healthy Love for the Father
I have read many of the comments and my heart is broken because of the hearts that should be joined together and building one another up in our most holy faith and reaching out to the lost is non-existent. May God forgive all who have posted with a heart of animosity instead of brotherly love. Lord God, I pray for all the posters and ask that they are forgiven for any hatred that they may have shown in their posts to other believers. In Jesus name our Lord and savior... amen.
IT WILL GRIEVE US BUT WE KNOW SUCH WILL BE
Amen to the prayer.
What more “reaching out” is needed brother? God gave His message in the video. Please enlighten us on what you need to add …
Where is the animosity that is breaking your heart? I see opportunity to share/discuss and am happy to have the opportunity!
If discussing is too difficult for you, maybe you should leave the conversation?!
Truth is love. Even IF it is rarely received as such.
Don't think to judge another's heart.
O Lord, give me the grace to finish well like Pastor Pawson.
Great man of God.
Amen.. I thank GOD for the balanced view of truth .
Thank you pastor Pawson ❤
Besides the many passages I originally posted here, I was asked specifically for "one" verse in the Bible that states someone lost their salvation. I'll give more than one for context's sake. Read 1 Timothy 5:11-15. Paul is speaking of young widows who left the security of the fold. They were indeed sealed unto the day of redemption had they continued in their faith, but they chose to stray away from it.
Here's the quoted passage: " But refuse to enroll younger widows, for when their passions draw them away from Christ, they desire to marry and so incur condemnation for having abandoned their former faith. Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not. So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander. For some have already strayed after Satan."
So do you believe the passage for what it says, or do you need to perform some type of Scriptural gymnastics to make it say something else? Does "away from Christ" really mean that? Did they really "abandon their former faith?" Did some of them really "stray after Satan" after they abandoned their previous faith and strayed from Christ?
It can be hard to give up beliefs precious to us. I was taught OSAS growing up, and taught it myself for years as an adult believer. It was reading Scripture over and over that led me to question it. Though I was mad initially, I had to admit that Scripture taught me better than my Calvinistic teaching.
What makes these widows saved, other then you saying so. 1Timothy 5:11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
1Timothy 5:12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
1Timothy 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
1Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
1Timothy 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.
1Timothy 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
1Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
1Timothy 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
1Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. I disagree with you, ALL scriptures have to line up with other scriptures, so how does this line up with your verses here, John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. You interpretation s wrong on these verses.
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Get lost reprobate! You, who call good evil & evil good.
@@michaelrogottie9197 you can't be a worldly Christian and have Christ. You can't be for the flesh and Spirit both. Or the darkness and the light. You don't know how much darkness you speak. I'm guilty at times.
I sincerely appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge and experiences with regards to the OSAS doctrine!
But isn't it funny that the scriptures you shared about 2yrs ago is still generating this much debate and over 300r responses? I believe people just can't bare to see scriptures that soundly undermines the doctrine that they hold so dare!
amen. when i stumbled on osas recently it didnt sound like i have free will. but i do. osas = bullshit/
There is a very simple problem with the dogma of “once saved, always saved.” That problem is that it is just not biblical! The truth is, the dogma of “once saved, always saved” is part of the doctrines and commandments of men. Consider Matthew 15:1-20; Mark 7:1-23 → Galatians 1:6-20 and II John 1:7-11!
This is awesome. I have never agreed that OSAS. As a matter of fact, I can clearly see that, like David Pawson puts it, I am being saved every day as I move on to this life of holiness. Unfortunately, many would not agree just because it is not convenient to their preferences and/or views (in human terms, not in spiritual terms).
YES
@@jimkraft9445 Jesus did NOT die in vain, but He did not die so you can live anyway you jolly well like, we are commanded to persue holiness, also we have to mortify the flesh and bring it under subjection to obedience to God. Hope you understand these biblical facts.
@@jimkraft9445 hi Jim am I lost my salvation I willfully sin against the Lord I knew better .something bad happened to me in 2019 I lost my way with the Lord but I wept over my sin against the Lord is it too late for me. I confused because David in the bible sin with Bathsheba and the Lord forgave him he knew the Lord and fail into sin. I knew better will the Lord cast me away I lost my assurance am I Lost. Is the saying toe it will better I had never been born to know the way of truth. I mess up my life.
@@gloriawalker3381Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be Saved! Get a King James Bible and BELIEVE.
Read John.
What must you do to be SAVED? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be Saved! Simple.
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I believe anyone who walks away has a form of godliness with no power. Head knowledge vs heart knowing. Those who have been and are truly being saved have a heart knowing (a relationship with our Lord and Saviour).
Rest in Peace my brother you deserve it. I miss you so much.
Wait he's dead? I just came to this channel from a junk mail someone put in my mail box.
Yes he is in Heaven
@@cypherpunk12 repent my bro if you want to see God
@@cornellkaychannel1487 How? How do i just believe in something that seems so illogical to me? Obviously saying "repent" doesn't just mean I can do this.
From a logical standpoint, if I don't know the answer to a question I admit I don't know and then look for the answer. The worst thing I can do is just make up an answer and consider it the truth. So how do I firstly believe in your respective deity, if that can be done then the repent part should be easy. I don't know the origin of the universe, I don't know what if anything existed before the big bang due to the lack of available testable evidence, so how do I just assume something and consider it the truth? How can I believe some eternal all powerful deity did all of this when the evidence for the deities existence is equal to any other deity or just about anything I can just make up?
Let me try and make this make sense and hopefully this can help you possibly convert people. What would it take to convince you that Zeus is real and your respective deity false? Lets call your answer "X," can you provide me X for your respective deity?
When I ask others this question I often get a whole bunch more claims with no evidence, this actually makes them further from the claim. But at the risk of straw manning you I will not assume this will be your response, instead I will humbly await your response.
What a blessing this was and to hear Brett speak of his love for the Lord and desire to do his will and glorify his name. I can’t wait to see this movie.
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
John 13:35 NKJV
(Not by works or human efforts.)
It is the same Jesus who said the following:
John 14:23-24 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
(True Christianity is based in the whole counsel of God, not just one verse!)
@@kingdele01 you believe in once saved not always saved?
@@abashedsanctimony154........ No. I believe in the whole counsel of God. Meaning His promises, warnings, comforts and challenges....... Therefore, I, along with people who do not base their doctrine on what unrepentant preachers tell them, don't believe in OSAS!
@@kingdele01 I never have , never will. Stay blessed brother 🙏
@@abashedsanctimony154 ..... Same to you, brother! May the Lord bless you, as well 🙏!
Wow!!!What a great thinker this young scalliwag is.....never heard this preached in my many years as a Christian...that we can jump out of his hand.. thankyou for such inciteful teaching.
Eph.1. 13:14 says the opposite ,you are sealed until your redemption. Only the doubting would think otherwise.
@@wendymitchell8245 That's Eph 4.30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you are sealed into the day of redemption.
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.. No one is sealed secure until in the AGE of heaven. Even angels fell before Creation. Christ said - John 10.26-28 'But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they FOLLOW Me. 28 And I GIVE them eternal life, and they shall never perish; IN THAT AGE, never shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.' Heretics removed 'in that age' from the verse.
Parables - Sower and Seed, Build on Rock, Unforgiving Servant. You can never earn heaven, but you can earn hell.
Heb 6.4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the AGE TO COME, 6 and then FALLEN away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Eph 2.6-7 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the HEAVENLY places in Christ Jesus, that in the AGES TO COME He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. (Like Catholics/Mary - Baptists have many inventions: Can't Fall, Sinner's Decision Prayer, prohibit wine, dancing).
1Tim 2.12-14 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Rom 8.38-39 For I am PERSUADED that neither ... any other created thing, shall be able to separate US from the love of God. (Paul to Christian martyrs)
1Pet 4.17-18 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 Now
“If the RIGHTEOUS one is SCARCELY SAVED, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
Heb 10.26 For if we SIN WILLFULLY AFTER we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
@@wendymitchell8245 18:08 'Can I interrupt the process of being saved? Can I fall away? Can I jump out of His Hand? Yes.' 18:46 Philippians, Hebrews - 'There is always an expression - not of certainty, but of confident, high hopes - that in your case.'
@@TruthChristians That is correct ,if really saved it is unchangeable.You are a new person .
I believe God will not fail to rescue anyone who has truly believed in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.
Yes but get the context of Faith and Believeth in the correct context.
Present tense.
@@archaicgoon5990 I don't understand what you you are saying.
@@ianyimiah Saved by Grace, Grace through Faith- present tense.
@@ianyimiah What would be the point of Enduring and holding steadfast to our Faith if Grace is bestowed upon us even if we become Faithless. To say you wouldn't become Faithless because your Gods elect then where is the assurance for people in 1 timothy 4 and what makes you any different to them. They never thought they would depart and what makes you any different. There's no assurance. Faith is pure Assurance.
In the present tense that is. It's a sure thing if Hold it our Faith in Christ and Believeth in the present tense, not a salvation prayer and then 10 years later departing. No assurance in that.
Thank you Christ for men preaching truth. Praise God.
"If you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall! 1 Cor 10/12
that is about your walk not salvation.
@@wendymitchell8245 Good point. In this case, possibly, since the following verse 13 is about walking. But aren't we splitting hairs here? How can you walk, as a Christian, if you're not saved? It's impossible. You can walk as a Jew, yes, but not as a Christian, which is what Paul is talking about. vs 4. He says, they fell, (dead), even though Christ was with them. They didn't believe. And they were all Jews! (Israelites).
More texts on falling:
Matt 13/21 & Mark 4/17. Matt 11/6. Heb 2/1. 6/6. (very serious!). 2 Pet 1/10. 3/17. 2 John 8. Jude 24.
Matt 5/13?
I used to believe this, viz. once saved always saved, because I was taught the perseverance of the saints just after I became a believer, but have since changed my opinion & now agree with DP.
@@wendymitchell8245 Mark 14/27 "You will all fall away". This is obviously about walk. And not salvation.
@@missasinenomine I should have been clearer . A Christian can think he is doing well and stumble and fall . That may be pride. ,and then do something he should not . That might not be continual wilful sin ,but no man is sinless pride it'self is sin . That is not saying the believer has rejected all and is living a sinful life. .The true believer who sins will punished in this life ,as a father disciplines his child.
@@wendymitchell8245 Good. Nothing to disagree with here. The acid test is the devil. A true Christian walking
with God is aware of the devil constantly, relentlessly suggesting, persuading, urging him to sin. The Christian walk is a dynamic. It's not a fixed state. The person who says, like the Jew, "l'm saved, so I'm OK whatever I do", ought to better watch out! The devil has already anaesthetised him. I've found 22 verses in the NT regarding falling away since hearing this sermon. That's a lot. There's possibly more.
When Jesus said “No one can snatch you out of my hand” , he did not say you cannot jump out of his hands. Profound.
Being a Christian means living in fear 24/7. You will never be safe because the Christian God does not love you unless you are perfect. It is the reason why only arrogant people thrive being Christians
He said NO MAN, which means the person he has a grip on. Are you so powerful that you can make the supernatural power of God ineffective?
Does it say nothing in all of creation can separate us from the love of God except self ? No it doesn't because the truly born again believer has been born of imperishable seed , and He who began a good work in you will finish it
Amen
@@katrinacook8981you must read the bible. The Bible constantly warns believers to walk according to God's will not according to the flesh which is to condemnation. Stop following teachers that lie to you just read the bible it's quite cleare
Les Feldick states that if a person loses his salvation it is because he never fully received and believed Paul's Gospel of Grace and the Holy Spirit.
Les is a very good teacher. This Chris Raynor is in a cult who only twist scriptures as he sees fit, only the few he does know.
Once Saved Always Saved? (Night 1) th-cam.com/video/V8TSlzpNq20/w-d-xo.html
Once Saved Always Saved? (Night 2) th-cam.com/video/OVkONiACyJM/w-d-xo.html
Salvation is a cooperative relationship in which we start and must continue to trust and obey. For there is NO OTHER WAY to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.
Faith without works is dead. Christ set us an example of how we must live (with his help) as we become holy as he is.
If Christ is our example, we are in trouble, he never sinned. He only did and said everything his father wanted.
We do what we want most the day. We say things God would not.
Jesus is more than an example, he is savior.
Faith without fruit is unfruitful and there will be no gold, silver and precious stones but rather wood, hay and stubble and they will suffer loss.
@@Majorvideonut2 I know that verse but it does not say we go to hell for bad fruit, bible just says that we have bad fruit and it will be burned (tried) to see what sort of works they were.
When we believe in Jesus fully (not in works) we can remove the log out of out neighbors eye and produce works that last.
If getting to heaven depended on our "holding on," do you think one redeemed person would enter the mansions of glory? Certainly not. No flesh shall glory in its faithfulness. What presumption! "Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:3). How much better is the language of faith: "Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6). From start to finish, "Salvation is of the Lord" (Jon. 2:9).
What is the purpose of planting seeds of doubt for that is what Satan does and did in the garden of Eden. We are to help the weak and encourage the fainthearted and also to admonish those who need it. Let's keep the word of truth and so confident in our Lord's ability to keep in His hand those who put faith in Him and remind them that they are also in the Father's hand.
@@dony7476 He did say to the woman caught in adultery: "Go and sin no more!" (John 8:11)
I am so pleased that having it all perfect is not needed for salvation, He died because of my weakness, we try to get it right, but we all fall short.
Nobosy is saying that we are called to sinless perfection. But we are called to repentance & growing in holiness after coming to Christ for salvation.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is teaching a false doctrines.
1 John 3:7-8 > Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
God certainly expects you to give it all that you have to live godly and righteous
@@kingdele01
1 Peter 1:15-17 King James Version
"But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."
@@kingdele01 Correct... the devil might deceive a believer into sinning but cannot live in a Spirit indwelt Christian.
@@ben.s.harper89 but it won't get you to heaven there are two judgements one for salvation and being saved from Hellfire and the other on your works after you get to heaven and are saved from Hell Fire at this judgment you will receive your rewards for your works but nothing you can do alone good or bad saves you or stop you from going to heaven only from Hellfire! Learn dispensationalism and matching scripture with scripture there's an old law and a new law Gentiles are not bound by the Old Law only Israel and Saints which are Israelis or jews
very important message in an age when so many believe the false teaching of once saved always saved
Is Jesus now a liar?John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Here he says I LOOSE NO ONE! Yet you say he does?
@Chris Raynor No it does not. It says I am saved by the finished works of the cross Jesus did. Not man. You openly deny the saving blood of Jesus!
Idiot, a overcomer IS A SAVED PERSON!
@Chris Raynor How would you know this? You never met him in public have you Chris so again like he has been telling you over and over, you lie by this post. No one is condoning sin, You simply say we do. Which is a lie. Thats why you are liar posting that any one who believes in OSAS loves sin. No you meatball! Is that in your bible Chris? Mine says, Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? See it?
@Chris Raynor Right here you do deny the cross,
Chris Raynor
3 days ago
@Dillon I've never denied the blood of Christ.ive told u repeatedly to remain in Christ is imperative.to love Him by keeping His words proving u are His.Relationship ,not screaming faith with the head belief of demons in James2. No love ,then no hope. 1Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Seeing it Chris? Jesus died for ALL the sins of the World.Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Chris Jesus died for all the sins of man, not just their past sins. He died for ALL SINS Chris. Here you lie about the scriptures, Oh it does not say all, Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; All the sins of man for the saved are now judged at the cross, Why are there two separate judgements one of the saved and one of the ones who refused to get saved?
@Chris RaynorJohn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Compare your doctrine to the words of Jesus.
Why do so many think it’s a works based salvation?
Our righteousness is as a filthy rag , only through grace my friends!
God Bless you now and forever Dear Sir! 🙏🏻 Thank you for sharing the word of God
Trusting in your works are you?
He is not sharing the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ.
OSAS is false calvinism
Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ not Yahshua
@@abashedsanctimony154 It is not only Calvinism it is the Biblical truth of all evangelical ,and baptist churches.Only the heretical ones like the modern day Methodist ,who do not believe in inspiration or preach the gospel ,teach this false doctrine.
Faith in Jesus + Repentance = Salvation ! You must be Born Again with Holy Spirit! 💗
and born again of water too, for the REMISSION(forgiveness) of all our past present and future sins.
@@JoyDaz00 so if you believe is for past present and future sins then how can anything you do which is the definition of works keep you from going to heaven! IT CAN'TAAAAA!!!!
@@jefferyjones8019 faith is a work
@@JoyDaz00 faith does not get you to heaven gods grace does THE END IS NOTHING YOU DO!
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Revelation 22:12
“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
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James chapter 2
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Faith plus OBEDIENCE is the formula for salvation. Christ came to save us FROM our sins, not IN our sins.
David Pawson is absolutely correct, however the real problem lies with the fundamental error that Justification is viewed as a one time event, and that there can be no expectations of the recipient of God's Grace.
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If you believe (trust) in Christ's atonement and sin your still going to Heaven. End of story.
This whole license to sin thing is a farce.
You sin every day and there is nothing you can do about it. It's as natural as puberty, it's expected. Do you really think God said Ill save you from your sin just don't sin? That's a completely unrealistic expectation.
How can a Holy God send his pefect son to die on a cross for something you can never justify and expect you to never do what you couldn't do from the beginning? That's a retarded personality trait to have and I just don't see it. Good works benefit others. PERIOD!
Remember the 2 most important commandments?
Remember Titus 3:8 kJV?
Hey, every man will be judged for what they do.
Especially those in Christ.
But eternal life is forever and once you have it it's yours.
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Western evangelical churches preach once saved always saved leading to alter calls. Like Calvinism I believed it too until listening to pastor Pawson. I now believe Scripture points to salvation is a process and is available to everyone.
WELL DONE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT!!!
We must “fight the good fight of faith”, we must put on THE FULL ARMOR OF GOD IN ORDER TO RESIST IN THE EVIL DAY & STAND FIRM BY HIS POWER & STRENGTH; we must be FIRMLY ESTABLISHED IN OUR FAITH & not be MOVED AWAY or yes! You shall “fall away”, “go astray”!!!
You MUST EXIST IN MESSIAH FOR HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS CRUSHED SATAN & CONQUERED THE WORLD!!!
We will never be perfect until we get to a heaven. We all sin here on earth, although saved we still sin, everyday, we are not perfect. We are saved by believing Christ was born to a Virgin, he did Gods will on earth and died ion the cross so that we who believe and accept him will be Heaven bound. Only when we get there will we be sin free.
Great answer. Too bad we're living in this age of false teachers telling people they have to be perfect to be saved. In the process they are leading so many people to hell. It's absolutely disgusting
Brenda Winner
We all sin in soul & body-it's not saved yet, but our spirit never sin-our spirit that God has given to us is our identity in Christ, complete in Christ, righteousness of God in Christ and so on
To be born again
Jesus said
Mark 1:15
The time promised by God has come at last!” he announced. “The Kingdom of God is near! REPENT OF YOUR SINS and BELIEVE the Good News!”
Note Jesus said Repent first then Believe.
Peter and Paul both echo that.
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Each of you must REPENT OF YOUR SINS and TURN TO GOD, (believe) and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 20:21
I have had one message for Jews and Greeks alike-the necessity of REPENTING FROM SIN and TURNING TO GOD, and of having faith in our Lord (believe)
I used to believe I could lose my salvation when reading from the new translations, but after switching to the KJV I realized the new translations are teaching completely different doctrines. I'll be happy to explain any verses that seems to point towards losing our salvation.
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
When we speak of the eternal security of the believer, what do we mean? We mean that once a poor sinner has been regenerated by the Word and the Spirit of God, once he has received a new life and a new nature and has been made partaker of the divine nature, once he has been justified from every charge before the throne of God, it is absolutely impossible that that man should ever again be a lost soul. Once Saved Always Saved!
Many leading Bible teachers are saying "the only criterion for salvation is knowing and believing some basic facts about Christ." The fallout of this thinking, he says, is a deficient doctrine of salvation; justification is not necessarily and inevitably linked to sanctification. People feel they can pray a prayer, receive eternal life, and then go on sinning.
The gospel of free grace will lead to holiness. Faith is redefined to include submission, and a man becomes a Christian not by "hearing" and "believing" but by believing and promising God he will submit his life to Christ. This is not to deny that true faith certainly involves a disposition of openness to God and cannot coexist with an attitude of determination to continue to sin.
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" (Romans 6:1).
God has already told us what the means of salvation are and what they are not. Works are not a means, whether on the front end or on the back end. The only means necessary for obtaining salvation is faith, and faith alone:
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5).
The "means" are the washing of regeneration (rebirth) and renewing by the Holy Spirit and not our good works. The means are one-faith. This faith is apart from any means involving works. Here is the key to our modern dilemma. The Reformers feared free grace and, as a result, did not take the Reformation far enough. That is, their doctrine of the saints perseverance in holiness compromised the free grace of God. Because the doctrine of justification by faith alone was potentially vulnerable to the charge of promoting license, the Reformers simply could not let go of the notion that works played a necessary part in our final arrival in heaven. Unable to accept that a regenerate man could live a life of sin and still be saved, they included works on the back end of the gospel as the means (result?) of salvation.
If the saints must inevitably and necessarily persevere in godliness to the final hour, then the doctrine of rewards and chastisement at the judgment seat of Christ becomes murky. How can a man who has persevered in holiness be chastised? Since all who are regenerate will be rewarded anyway, perhaps many settle into spiritual dullness thinking all is well with their souls and there are no negative consequences to pay.
And if the doctrine of punishment for a carnal life is vague and if the doctrine of rewards is reduced to promise of something that everyone will get anyway, then key motivators for living the Christian life are compromised. The most likely possibility for the continually sinning Christian is that he may not be a true Christian at all.
Saints has been set apart by faith in Christ through the Holy Spirit. They are secure and safe in Him. God will persevere with those whom he has called to faith in Christ so that none will be lost.
"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled" (John 17:12).
The true Grace of God is a gift and will not be earned. The Father does chastise a son whom He receives but will never cast any of His own to hell.
"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom" (Matthew 12:32).
It is obvious that the question of eternal security is inextricably involved with the question of free grace. If eternal life is truly offered "without cost" and salvation once received can never be lost, it might seem that some would take the grace of God for granted and live unfaithful lives.
All motivation is lost, it is feared, to persevere in the life of faith. For the man who claims he is a Christian and who lives a sinful life, the Arminian warns him that he is in danger losing his salvation. The English Puritans, on the other hand, simply say he never had salvation to begin with and he had better re-examine his foundations; he is in danger of hell. Only the man who perseveres in a life of good works to the final hour, they said, is truly saved.
The Reformed doctrine of the perseverance of the saints was an outgrowth of the accusations that the Reformation would logically result in moral laxity. It also provided a powerful means of refuting the Arminian teaching of conditional security.
This doctrine is not only absent from Scripture but could, if not carefully stated, compromise the freeness of the grace of God. Eternal security of the saints, this doctrine has labored under amazing exegetical contortions at the hands of its advocates.
This investigation will lead us into many related doctrines such as the relationship between justification and sanctification, assurance of salvation, and the relevance of the warning passages in the New Testament. Can a true Christian commit apostasy?
Does the New Testament teach the existence of the carnal Christian? In addition, we will examine all of the passages commonly brought to bear on the question of eternal security and consider both Calvanist and Arminian exergesis.
The entire context of First Corinthians describes activities of true Christians which parallel nearly every item in verses 9-10. They were involved in sexual immorality (6:15); covetousness (probable motive in lawsuits, 6:1); drunkenness (11:21); dishonoring the Lord's table (11:30--for this reason some of them experienced the sin unto death); adultery (5:1); and they were arrogant (4;18; 5:6).
Yet this group of people that acts unrighteously, and that is guilty of all these things has been washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (6:11)! They were washed and saved from all those things, and yet they are still doing them.
That is the terrible inconsistence which grieves the apostle through all sixteen chapters of this book. His burden in 6:9-10 is not to call into question their salvation (he specifically says they are saved in verse 11. He said they are "sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints" (1:2) but that they were carnal (3:1,3).
Sexual sin or getting drunk. Again, these sins cannot cause a true believer to lose his salvation. Surely a believer can lose fellowship with his Father but God does not leave a believer. The Spirit of God does not leave us when we are not good enough to please Him that delivered us from the wrath to come.
"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (I Corinthians 5:5).
Salvation is the full pardon by grace from the penalty of all sin, past, present and future. The man who had 'his father's wife' - a terrible sin - didn't lose his salvation thereby.
"I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee." (Isaiah 44:22)
King David committed sins of murder and adultery and in the fifty-first Psalm, the prayer of David shows that he had not lost his salvation, but the joy of salvation.
"And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD, And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die" (II Samuel 12:13).
That God preserves His people from apostasy and sees to it that all of His elect ultimately enter heaven is the clear teaching of Holy Scripture.
"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (I Peter 1:2,4,5).
The Grace of God, the seal of the Holy Spirit, preserves you permanently. This is called the doctrine of eternal security.
"The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul. The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore" (Psalm 121:7-8).
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@Bob Smith Thanks Bob! I needed to see that. Not only does the Holy Spirit convict us of sin, but teaches us as well. God Bless you Bob! I really do mean this. So many on here teaching a works salvation & ot6her doctrines it is not funny!
Excellent, excellent comment!
Salvation is never lost, rewards are.
@John Stewart, thanks so much for this. You are completely right.
God bless you..
@@dillon6428 That is not biblical.
The gift of God is eternal life.
Believe on JESUS CHRIST
For Eternal Life.
It's a Done Deal.
Salvation is a Work of God for man, Rather than a Work of Man for God. Jesus Christ paid it all.
Simply Believe. Acts 16:31
Nailed it Joe!
The true, unadulterated gospel!
bless you brother . Now you are with Him .....safe
Salamat Panginoong Hesus.. ❤❤
what a cutie of a man of God!! SO grateful for mr. pawson 🙏💖🔥🕊
I love your msg, I thought the same. This man of God is a little cutie ☺️🙏🏼❤️
If your works cannot save you why do you think your works can keep you save?
one can have grace with works whether one believes its a one time deal or not , cant one? i do agree that Pawson is wrong in one respect. While he cant say in the future that he will be saved, he should rest asured in the present that hes in good standing with Jesus, experientially and morally, like with a good friend.
@@chriswest6652 Paul says if it's of works it is no longer grace. If works are required for salvation then it's no more grace. If it's grace for salvation then there are no works.
If works are required then it diminishes the finished work of Christ.
Have a good day!
@Ναζωραῖος What cross are you picking up? Where are you following him to as he is not here? That instruction was given to his disciples and those who would follow Christ into the kingdom.
We are saved by grace alone and nothing you can do can keep you saved. If so why didn't you save yourself in the first place.
We we understand our identity in Christ alone you are not required to produce fruit to show your worthy.
To show fruit diminishes the finished work of Christ as it is not your fruit sat saves you but Christ and Christ alone.
That is the revelation of the mystery given to Paul how how gentiles can be saved without Isreal and fruit bearing, without the law, without covenants but by grace alone.
When we believe and trust the finished work of Christ we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and baptised by the Spirit into the one body.
Of course we are to walk right but our walk does not save us.
We walk right because of who we are in Christ. When we understand who we are in Christ we will want to walk right but that doesn't save us..Christ does.
@@Angel40seven Ask who was that being said to? It us clearly to the nation of Isreal.
We are not Isreal...we are members of the body of Christ...saved not by our own works but the finished work of Christ.
Paul alone gives us the gospel that saves us today when the risen Christ gave him the revelation of the mystery how gentiles can be saved without Isreal and covenants and promises but by grace alone, trust in the world Christ did fir our salvation.
Paul says clearly that we are saved by grace without works.
I am trusting in the finished work of Christ for my salvation without my own work.
Paul teaches we are crucified with Christ and buried with him and risen with him.
A dead man cannot be accused of not doing enough works.
Before God I am dead but in Christ I am alive in his resurrection power.
That can never be cut off.
Your verse is to Isreal not us.
@@Angel40seven If you study carefully Gid has given different instruction to different people.
He told Noah to build a boat...is he telling you to build one?
He told Abraham that he would make his seed a great nation to bless other nations...has he told you that.
He gave the commandments to Moses to give to Isreal to keep but they could not and neither can you.
Christ told the 12 disciples to keep the law.
Christ told Paul that we are not indeed law.
Paul was the last person that Christ gave instructions to from heaven which is different from his earthly ministry to Isreal.
Christ never told the 12 disciples about the revelation of the mystery that he gave to Paul.
We need to separate what was prophesied and what was revealed in the mystery.
Paul tells us to rightly divide the word if God.
All scripture is for us but not all scripture is written to us as there are different messages that God has given.
God doesn't change but they way he deals with men does.
James says works are required as well as faith.
Paul says no works are required only grace and if works are required then its no longer grace.
James writes to the 12 tribes of Isreal
There are no tribes of Isreal in the body of Christ.
Finally! I've been telling people this for years, especially lately. This is the gospel.
You can believe in what Mr Pawson is saying or not, but it is not the gospel. It is a teaching for the believer to consider, not the unbeliever. The gospel is, the preaching of repentance, seeing the judgment of your sins placed upon Jesus, and faith in the bodily resurrection of the God Man, Jesus.
That's it. Unfortunately, many things get added into "the gospel" which simply aren't true. Other teachings may in fact be true, but that doesn't make them part of the gospel.
Every believer must go on believing the gospel to be saved, for we are saved by grace through faith, and follow His commandments.
@@toddcote4904 okay. I understand your point. Let me rephrase. He was not directly preaching the gospel. However he was preaching to the correct method of how to be saved. It is not by waiting around for God to predestine you. It is not by resting in one prayer or a Doctrine. It is repentance and following Jesus as Lord, as you said.
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I certainly agree he's teaching a good thing. It's a good teaching for a believer. I agree with what I think you're trying to say too. I'm against the frozen chosen or carnal Christian doctrines as well. You could say that James was dealing with that problem as well. A bunch of professing believers that weren't working out their faith, but rather were continuing in their sin. And he called them adulterers.
I would say the 80 verses he referenced to, are the means of grace that God uses to keep the elect from falling away. They are real warnings with real consequences. The distinction that I would make is, not that they were truly born again then were lost, but that they're part of the visible church and walked away because they were false converts. They only believed while it was they're desire to do so, but were turned away due to temptations or difficulties showing them to never have truly been born again. Therefore, those who fall away or walk away from the faith, only prove the teaching of Christ that false converts exist, not that someone who was truly born again and sealed by the Holy Spirit "lost" their salvation.
Once Saved Always Saved? (Night 1) th-cam.com/video/V8TSlzpNq20/w-d-xo.html
Once Saved Always Saved? (Night 2) th-cam.com/video/OVkONiACyJM/w-d-xo.html
@@davidasholesjr181 What Must I Do To Be Saved? th-cam.com/video/DmiH89xWZ0Q/w-d-xo.html
A balanced (whole biblical) perception of salvation by David Pawson. Jesus is not a license to sin, and those that believe and spread such false doctrine are in for a rude awakening.
How many were saved in Noah' s day? How many were saved in Lot's day? Matthew 7:14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Think that why Christians still consider minority compare to the whole population of 7 billion , Christians are the few who know Jesus is the way , the truth and the life
Oh David... God bless you my beloved brother...
This guy in the video has not a clue & you think he is a great preacher?
Tommy... I do believe that David is one of the greater preacher of this time...
Why you don't agree?
Any reason?
@@brunocarneiro7754He is preaching a false doctrine. He then questions what Jesus did on the cross was enough to save you & keep you saved. Bruno, he is teaching oh Jesus saves, but he needs our help in doing so. This is not what Paul taught. Jesus says he looses no one, yet man rips scriptures out of the context they are in to add to the cross. This is known as a works salvation. Saved by faith alone & nothing else.
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He's claiming that David preaches a false doctrine because his teachings contradict his beloved OSAS idol.
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I've tried to exchange with Pawson but last I heard he is still recovering from a fall and was in hospital. That may be why you still see a fellow named Steven responding in these threads for David.
Friend. If you get the chance, ask David Pawson or better yet ask yourself:
Do you know the difference between titles baptism and baptism in the name of Jesus ?
Answer:
You should.
Pawson via his friend Steven had no response for that question. And I tell you a certain Pawson video on the so-called holy trinity was edited because of that exchange.
Lord Jesus ... offers ... us the free gift of salvation. Meaning we have to ... accept ... that free gift. Lord Jesus doesn't force someone to accept.
Question:
How ... does someone accept Lord Jesus' offer of salvation ?
Answer:
First the baptism of repentance. Followed by a life of good works which includes many things: study and share what Lord Jesus teaches you. Wash each other's feet. Give generously. Lay hands on the sick. Fasting and not just from food, praying, etc, etc.
You probably understand the baptism of repentance means turning away from sin and for the rest of our earthy lives. And that leads to the next question:
What is proper water baptism ?
If you witnessed a water baptism using the phrase:
"I baptize you in the name of Lucifer for the remission of sins" ... you'd know that's an incorrect water baptism. Meaning if there is such a thing as an incorrect water-baptism then there is such a thing as correct water-baptism.
Answer:
Man of God. Not woman of God but a man of God who dunks you under water completely declaring exactly:
"I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins." This per Acts 2: v38 and Acts 19: v1 thru v7 and many other script.
Titles baptism:
"I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit/Ghost for the remission of sins." Titles baptism is wrong because it does not use the name of Jesus. You won't find anyone in the Holy Bible baptizing or performing any miracle using: Father, Son, Spirit. But you will find them doing those things using the name: Jesus.
Before you go to that man of God, ask him if he knows the difference between titles baptism and baptism in the name of Jesus ? ... if he doesn't find someone who does.
Moving on.
Why does the Holy Bible talk so much about people being punished because they did not do the will of God ? ... it means there is God's will and there is our own will. And we must learn to do [read: works] the will of God Whose name is Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
How did Lord Jesus start His three-year earthly ministry ?
Answer:
Proper water-baptism followed by a second and separate Spiritual baptism before going off fasting forty-days in the wilderness.
What else does proper water-baptism do for someone ?
Answer:
It puts us in a proper relationship with Lord Jesus Who acknowledges our good work of repentance and He let's us know His identity. Lord Jesus is God and He is one God. And God of the Old Testament is the same God as the God of the New Testament. Meaning God of the Holy Bible is one God Whose name is Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
God being one is the oldest doctrine in the Holy Bible.
Believe it.
I was a trinitarian, now I'm not. I attended a small Baptist church when I was given revelation and made aware Lord Jesus is one God. He is not a three-in-one god nor a two-in-one god like trinitarians or binitarians would have you believe. God being one means He is Father and Son and Spirit and hundreds of other titles at the same. Certainly none around me in that church were saying such things. By the way, church is not any particular denomination nor building nor place. Church is wherever two or three are gathered in the name of Jesus; even if that's the middle of a field at night. amen.
Change gears with an illustration:
You imagine Lord Jesus standing by Himself looking at you smiling.
You say: That's Lord Jesus. He is God and He is Son of God. Amen.
You imagine Lord Jesus walk over and stand next to the "Father."
Now you say: Lord Jesus is not God ? ... He is only Son of God ?
Trinitarians and binitarians confusingly say: Lord Jesus is God and Lord Jesus is not God.
People who've been properly water baptized know Lord Jesus is Father and Son and Spirit and hundreds of other titles at the same time because He is one God:
Deuteronomy 6: v4 ... Hear O Israel. The LORD our God is one LORD
Mark 12: v29 ... And Jesus answered him. The first of all the commandments is: Hear O Israel. The Lord our God is one Lord
Isaiah 45: v21 ... Tell ye and bring them near. Yea let them take counsel together. Who hath declared this from ancient time ? Who hath told it from that time ? Have not I the LORD ? And there is no God else beside me. A just God and a Saviour. There is none beside me
John 1: v1 ... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. And the Word was God
Revelation 1: v8 ... I am Alpha and Omega. The beginning and the ending, saith the Lord. Which is, and which was, and which is to come. The Almighty
Man, Calvinists must have never listened or read anything by David Pawson (what's the meme for hands-over-ears-shouting-nah-nah-nah-nah?). This makes perfect sense even without the very clear evidence... either you can reject salvation or you cannot - if you can reject it outright you can certainly reject it anytime after as well.
Craig, this David Pawson is satan's salesman. He is telling you without works you cannot remain saved. Is Jesus a liar or is this man a liar?
@@dillon6428 keeping the faith and enduring to the end isnt works........trying to keep the 10 commandments to get to heaven is called works....wake up
@Chris RaynorYou're a liar Chris. you know nothing of me let alone having ever met me in person. have you met me in person Chris for you to say this, YOU: Many OSAS I've talked to online,have a brainwashing hard to overcome.. they hang on a few verses,with no context elsewhere,and are determined to have permission to live the way they please.ive been cursed severely by some, proving the demonic heresy. When u show proof of the here's,they continually say" not true". Deceived,intentionally disobedient when confronted with facts Sad. Turn away from this damnable doctrine of sloppy agape.WHAT FACTS have you posted. You posted the same thing over & over . No verses, just no holiness no salvation. This is pretty much what you post, oh yea,you toss out Colossians 1:22-23 out . Thats ALL you post. These words YOU posted here makes you a liar! Whats the word of God say about liars Chris?
@Chris Raynor this boy has no understanding of scriptures at all, He claims he taught bible study, to who seeing he doesn't know any verses. There are NO IF"S in salvation, no conditions. Post the scriptures on the steps YOU took Chris to be saved. Post them.
@@themotorcycleguy5980here's another one who has not a clue, refute the Holy Spirit in the believer if you can, Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long is the believer sealed for? Till when? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Whats this? Sealed till the day of what? REDEMPTION! Now post the scriptures to say YOU can break the Holy Spirit God sealed the believer with. This outta be good.
I have been greatly blessed listening to these messages. Thank my Lord.
PLEEEEEEEEASE TELL ME HOW OR WILL JESUS CHRIST EVER.. UN.. REDEEM HIS OWN EVER ? HOW CAN A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN BE COME ,,UN ,BORN ,AGAIN ? OSAS IS VERYTRUE READ JOHN CH 3 VS 16 VERY CLOSE JESUS CHRIST GIVES EVER LASTING LIFE TO WHO SO EVERY BELIEVES IN HIM IS HE LYING ? HOW LONG IS EVER LASTING ????????
I am a Calvinist on my knees and an Armenian on my feet!!
Calvinism is a WICKED & UNSCRIPTURAL doctrine!
Calvinism is the dead baby joke of Christianity
“Also I say to you, whoever confesses Me before men, him the Son of Man also will confess before the angels of God. But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
Luke 12:8-9 - NKJV
To confirm our salvation we must 1) confess Jesus before other people, in public; 2) walk in love.
Loss of our salvation can only be done by publicly denying Jesus.
But remember: God knows our hearts and knows if we are confessing Jesus in public while denying His Lordship in private, in our heart: I.e. lip service.
Our love for God, Jesus, Holy Spirit should compel us to daily, loving devotion & obedience to Them, love for our fellow man, and love for the lost.
David Pawson is absolutely correct, however the real problem lies with the fundamental error that Justification is viewed as a one time event, and that there can be no expectations of the recipient of God's Grace.
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Tommie phipps what about keeping all of Christ's teachings and commands, and doesn't that include forgiveness of others in order to be forgiven?
May Father YAHweh bless your understanding
I think following God’s Word is of paramount importance as a guide for assurance of our salvation. The Holy Spirit illuminates God’s Word for us and gives us understanding as to whether we are on the “narrow road.” I think we should always use Scripture to verify that “feel good feeling” we might get as confirmation that we are on the right path. Satan can trick us into thinking all is well. The early Christians did not have Scripture, but they were under the Law. We are under God’s New Covenant and that’s why we have His written Word.
I found this on Yahoo! Answers: I'll briefly explain why the Bible does not teach OSAS.
Notice the following Scriptures:
Ezekiel 3
20. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
21. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Ezekiel 18
23. Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24. But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to All the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
It is argued that this is an Old Testament standard no longer applicable to the New Testament. We shall see.
Romans 11
19. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
I Corinthians 15
1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
These passages are senseless unless falling from grace is a real possibility.
Galatians 5
1. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
You cannot fall from a grace you never had. Paul is speaking to Christians, not unbelievers. If it is not possible to fall from grace, this warning is nonsensical.
II Timothy 2
12. If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Hebrews 3
10. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12. Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Hebrews 4
11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
II Peter 2
20. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
James 5
19. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20. Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Although OSAS proponents twist and turn mightily to explain away the heretofore referenced passages, there is no Scripturally valid rebuttal to what these verses plainly teach. Consider the cited passage from James 5. James is referring to "Brethren" and says "if any of YOU do err from the truth, and one convert him...save a soul from death..." (emphasis added). Clearly, a brother in the Lord can err from the truth and experience the death of the soul.
Revelation 3
3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
How can your name be blotted out if it wasn't there in the first place?
The above references are in no way exhaustive. There is no question OSAS is false doctrine.
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So says the false teacher, You were written about in 2 Peter 2:1-22.
@@vincent7156 pray about it, ask for truth, not what you think is true, from God.
@@frenkvortice3858 Thats why I post what I do, I know the truth. Maybe you should take your own advice?
Please notice that this verses of Ezekiel are given:
- under the LAW; = performance covenant (today we are under the time of GRACE)
- for Jews only (we are not Jews, but believers from gentile nations)
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Good works are not the basis for our salvation(Eph 2:8-9) but are a proof that we are saved. (Eph 2:10)
There are conditions that we must meet in order to be saved.
@@greenleader413 Nobody can earn their way into heaven. No amount of good works will save a person. There are conditions God sets to gain eternal life though.
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@@greenleader413 It's the attitude of good works and not the count.I mean we need to be born again to see the kingdom.Its like you are asking how much we should be born again.
@@timothyseals3791 theres conditions to obtain a free gift? and apparently since people believe you can lose salvation they think the Lord is an indian giver as well. salvation is a one time event once you believe you are sealed with the Holy spirit until the day of redemption. the church of Corinth was carnal yet they were still called bretheren. yes you will have good works. even if its just one good work. but you don't have to work to be saved. For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:2-5 KJV
This is EXCELLENT...thank you for speaking the TRUTH!! I have been telling people this for several years!! No one will listen. 😢
@tinawilson3693 I am in the exact same boat. The Bible is clear, but the theological establishments are strong and the rest of the church struggles to understand the Bible for themselves (partly because they don't read and study it on their own) so they have rely heavily on popular, "big name" pastors/ministers--just because they went to seminary or have a huge following...or, sadly, only a lot of charisma--because they think that's safer.
You and David are completely wrong on this.
Simply amazing!!!!! Have heard him 100s of times. Everytime it’s so Bible based!!!!!!
Another question for all of you OSAS believer! Supposing a man, who believes in OSAS and had "saving faith" in the "finished work" of the Lord, starts to doubt the existence of God & later turns to violent atheism & sexual immortality.
Does such a person need to repent of His sin of unbelief & perversion, in order to be saved? Or did he have irrevocable eternal life, from from when he first believed even throughout his wickedness?
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, So who holds the salvation of men? 2Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
So why would this guys sins not be forgiven?
Did Jesus die for all the sins of man?
If you say yes then his sins are forgiven even though he did not repent of them.
Jesus saves, not repenting. If you say repenting saves ,then why did Jesus just not say repent? There are all kinds of verses to say repent, BUT you stated a saved person in a backslidden state is not going to repent. Why? Thats because you stated he is in backslidden mindset.
Now did Jesus or God remove the Holy Spirit from him? No, Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. So did God abandon him? No.
@FireOfTheLord You clearly have no clue as to what a IFB is. I doubt very seriously any IFB ever preached salvation can be lost. Just cause a person says I am this or that does not mean it is all true. I myself been in a few IFB churches and it was nothing as you posted. Nothing. What I did see is you posting a bunch of nonsense saying these are what IFB thinks and believes.
Fact is, IF, If I was in a church even like the men you mentioned, I would of walked out of them. Now if you stated these were Southern Baptist I would agree cause I am seeing this more and more in the SB church along with women preachers and letting gays in as deacons and so on.
He wasn't saved in the first place. That person believed in vain. OSAS is niblical. If a person , believes in his or her heart , they are saved. But if the person lied, and disnt believe in it really. Well yeah,they are doomed . But look at someone like David. He commit adultery, super wicked. But yet. In the NT, he is called a man after God's own heart. And David is saved. When you saved, your sins are removed as far as the east is from the west. Romans 4 very strong , our sins are covered .
Once Saved Always Saved? (Night 1) th-cam.com/video/V8TSlzpNq20/w-d-xo.html
Once Saved Always Saved? (Night 2) th-cam.com/video/OVkONiACyJM/w-d-xo.html
Here is a channel which may be of interest to you. Grace and Peace. th-cam.com/video/V8TSlzpNq20/w-d-xo.html
Unless GOD does the Teaching, then what man imagines rules the heart!
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Who can believe the Grace of GOD is Supreme over all the acts, words, and thoughts of the Elect!
For those not taught of GOD, imagine if you can how GOD could turn someone over to Satan for destruction so the spirit be saved in the day of the LORD!
1Cor 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
You are telling the truth. Amen Brother.
1 Tim 2:7
7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle-- I am telling the truth, I am not lying-- and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles. (NIV)
1 Cor 15:34
34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God-- I say this to your shame.(NIV)
Salvation is a process. I agree. OSAS or Once Saved Always Saved is a doctrine for those who want to remain in sin, they use examples, illustrations or verses in the bible for their own personal pursuit and their favorite example is the criminal on the cross the bible actually do not mention thief it is criminal in Luke 23:40-43 NIV. In KJV mentioned wrongdoer in NIV criminal.
The OSAS ADVOCATES usaually say even i trespass i am still saved, even i kill i am still saved because once saved is always saved, its ridiculous.
The Bible said in Hebrews: this is for Christians who received the knowledge of the truth (been saved) take note of the word "if we deliberately".
Heb 10:26-27
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. (NIV)
Matt 24:12-13
12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. (NIV)
Yes, in salvation first we have to believe but after we believe we have to follow the commandment of Jesus Christ. Jesus said if you love me follow my commandments. The bible said:
Col 3:5-10
5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.
7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived.
8 But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices
10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. (NIV)
Jesus said in John 15:4 Remain in me, and i will remain in you. how about someday you won't remain in him? OSAS ADVOCATES uses John 10:28 no one can snatch them out of my hand. how about someday you want to get out of the hand of God? Yes, God would like to keep you, us in his hand but if you want later to get out of his hand? God will not force you to remain in him because its your choice and our choice.
Col. 1:28
28 We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. (NIV)
Many would like hear beautiful words even it is lie. If you are a servant of God you have to tell the truth. By telling the truth many will hate who tells the truth. True servant of God do not please men.
Gal 1:9-12
9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up.
12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (NIV)
The saying goes "we cannot please everybody everytime". The only recourse is to please God not to please men.
God Bless.
+Alvin Padua yes, i do commit sin/tresspass (not willfully/deliberately) but sin/tresspasses that do not leads to death.
1 John 5:16-17
16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.
17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.
6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
1 John 3:7-10
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
1 John 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
We can argue but do not hate and judge. Just sharing the word of God.
Shalom and God Bless.
John 16:9 is the ONLY unpardonable sin.
Nope. Only unbelief lands one in hell.
John Trevett
unbelief/disobedience
if someone does not obey Jesus,they either prove they dont really believe in him or they believe but spit in his face
Hello Isaac. I have a problem cussing. I don't want to anymore, and ask God for forgiveness every time I do it. Can you please pray for me? I love God and don't want to go to Hell. 😞
1.7.2024 thank you Lord for Bible teacher Dr David Pawson 🙏🏻
This is what I said and exactly how I said it. Only you can jump out of the hand of God. He never leaves us... We choose to leave Him
Lola Fly
Not even you can pluck yourself out of his hand, because no man can pluck us out of his hand, because he is greater than all, including you. We are sealed until the day of redemption by the Holy Ghost. Not even you can break that seal, because it is until the day of redemption.
livingforJesus Amen!! No man can pluck anyone out of the Fathers hand! He is greater than all. John 10:27-29.
And we are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise ( Ephesians 1: 13,14) and how long? Until the day of redemption ( Ephesians 4: 30)!
And you are wrong about this! You cannot pluck yourself out of Jesus or God's hands! Once you come to Christ you are a servant of his! LOOK up servant!
@@kathyhenderson2114 Good seeing a sister in Christ fighting for the Faith! God Bless you.
@@michaelrogottie9197 God bless you!
John 10:27.. My sheep hear my voice, and i know them and they follow Me.And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish,neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand...
The salvation won for us by Christ is permanent not a fluid/ temporary salvation.
Heb 5:9,10:26
2peter 2:20-22
So we are all doomed to hell. We all sin my friends as we are still sinners by nature and practice. 1 john 1 :8.Thank God for the true Gospel ( different to Mr.pawsons gospel) " if we confess our sins, He ( jesus) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness . 1 John 1 :9.
The OSAS heresy (unbiblical) has resulted in the most hellish carelessness in Christianity in this day. I can find self-professing “Christians” by the hundreds who engage in the most worldly, sinful pursuits who think they have a no-fault insurance policy because of some “decision” they once made. It is a tragedy of epic proportions.
You are absolutely correct! One of my closest friends used to pursue Christ and Holiness before meeting & marrying a very worldly OSAS girl. After a while he became really careless and slowly became worldly like her.
Mr. Wilson. It is indeed a tragedy of epic proportions. You may find this channel very helpful expanding and diving deep into the gospel which you already know and love. Grace and Peace. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
Herb Shattuck
Thank you for referring me to this site. Looks like it may be interesting and profitable.
Herb Shattuck
I would also refer to you a decades-old book titled Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up by David Bercot. He re-emphasizes the modern heresies which have developed in direct contradiction to the Apostles and early church fathers, not to mention Scripture itself. The necessity of enduring until the end, of being baptized, of gaining holiness are all presented as the biblical position that has been lost to today’s “Christians.”
I totally agree. The Bible speaks of all three past, present, and future salvation.
Salvation is once saved always saved as stated by all who have taken this step . Final , never are we perfect here on earth , but only when we meet our Lord and Saviour in the Rapture . Praise GOD . Hope you don’t die before the supposed work must keep going until you are perfect . Tonight you may die WHAT THEN 😳
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Romans 11:22.....
"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God:
on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou
continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
@Chris Raynor It has been explained to you over and over Chris, You outright lie on OSAS! You been told what it is. You have no understanding of scriptures. Your so blinded by your cult teachings it will be sending you to hell. Your cult is right and the word of God is wrong based on I only like some verses! Thats the teachings!
@Chris Raynor
These OSAS heretic just can't stop making things up!
@Chris Raynor Honestly Chris, so all Italians are no longer US citizens of this country? So my years of service in this countries military means nothing? Sorry bud, but I need no green card as neither does Michael. Only heretics here are you and Kingdele.
@@kingdele01 Liar! Try going onto this video where Chris was posting before you came along, It is called HISCHANNEL 103. Go there & tell me we are making things up. You post with not knowing the truth! Chris was run off of that video!
@@vincent7156 I can't find any such thing. You will have to share a link.
Mans tradition also divides the law into civil ceremonial and moral where there is no scriptural basis for this distinction but there is 6 that is found in the law judgements mishpat 4941, words dabar 1697, ordinances mishmereth 4931, statutes kuqqah 2708, commandments 4687, instruction/law 8451.
Pauls 7 uses of law
1) law of God (Romans 3:31; 7:22-25, 8:7)
Torah defines what is sin and what is not sin
2) law of sin (Romans 7:23-25)
The spirit in us directs us or instructs us towards the law of God. The flesh directs pr instructs us toward the law of sin. At the ressurection, the law of God will finally completely prevail over us and the battle and internal struggle between flesh and spirit will be over for us. The race will have been run and won. However, before that happens, we are in sin and sin leads to death.
3) law of sin and death (Romans 8:2)
The instruction of the flesh, or sin, leads us to death, and this is known as the law of sin and death. We were all under the law of sin and death before we enter the faith, yet we did not realize it at the time. Our flesh calls the law of sin freedom, whan it is actually bondage, and it is bondage that leads to death. The instruction of sin from our flesh leads to the instruction from God that demands our death because of sin. We live our lives under the law of sin and death until we have a desire for truth; that desire comes not from the flesh, but from the Spirit.
4) law of the spirit of life (Romans 8:2)
The law of the spirit tells us the law of God is the truth Once it is heard. It leads us toward the law of God, and away from the instruction of the flesh. The spirit exposes the flesh and its natural predisposition for sin. Then, it is the moment when the law of the spirit enters into us that we imediately realize we are under the law of sin and death. It is then that we realize we are in prison and bondage to our own sin. We then understand that we are in a hopeless state. Once we realize that we are in prison, we desire a way out. We then look to our Creator for the way out. The spirit or desire for truth and desire for freedom causes us to establish the faith in our Creator and His eternal and authoritative unchanging word.
5)law of faith (Romans 3:27)
The law of faith is to conform your way of thinking to the Word of God. Paul refers to this as becoming a new man. In the faith, one adopts the word of God and the authority over their lives. This is contrary to the flesh as your authority, which sees the word of God as bondage. This so not a mental assent, but a transformation of our core beliefs and foundation that directly impacts how we perceive the world and interact with it. In obedience to the law of faith, we see the word of God as freedom and the way to live. It is also once we enter into this faith, and run the race in the faith, that we are granted eternal life through His grace. It is our internal transformation and spirit or desire for his word that leads to salvation from the law of sin and death. This js occuring before we do anything, which also demonstrates that salvation is not a matter of works, but a new creation in us. However, that new creation in us causes us to want to practice rightiousness.
6)law of rightiousness (Romans 9:31)
The law of rightiousness is the imstruction tonlive out our faith, it simply means to practice rightiousness. It is the doing of the right ways of our Creator. This is in effect of our faith. Because we believe the Word of God to be the truth and the right way to live, our lives should resemble living righteously. This is in contrast to living in the flesh, which is after our own ways, which are like filthy rags to our creator. Our creators ways are rightious, and the rightiousness we practice is the evidence or fruit of our faith. This rightiousness, or right way to walk out the law of God, has been evidenced in the lives of manybthroughout the ages. The most popular is through Jesus Christ.
7)law of christ (1 Corinthians 9:21)
The law of Christ is his intructions, as an example, to follow the law if God in the faith. Our messiah never once spoke his own instruction from his own authority. He simply repeated and practiced the valid interpretation of the eternal unchanging word of God that has assisted sonce the beginning. It is in Jesus that all of these laws are reconciled and understood. Jesus taught us the law of God as truth. He pointed out our sin, teaching us that our son leads to death. He told us that we need to be saved from the law of sin and death. For that to happen, we need to listen to the spirit to enter the faith of the Word of God. Our messiah lived his life in the word of God perfectly. That enabled two things. One, he now serves as the perfect example on how to walk out the Torah or the law of God.
we must not isolate portions of letters nor contextual and authorial intent when reading scripture by relying on chapter vs. Alone to make a doctrine. We also must not read the 66 as 2 seperate promises or 2 seperate intentions bc its not written that way nor was it prophiced in that manner. Everything was written about the end from the beginning. Isa 46:10. Remember chp vs didnt exist until 1551 new and 1571 old. Theres alot of mans tradition and doctrine and by proxy esigeited interpretation mainly for protestant and roman Catholic which presuposes foundational claims before we even start reading the text. The early church fathers are to blame for this and a continues build up of further presumpasition over the centuries. If u read my comment in main section i discuss this and cite sources to evidence it. Rid urself of all leaven (mans tradition matt 16:6) and look at scrioture from Gen 1:1 to rev 22:21 reading it as one continued and fulfulling promise and revelation to bring his people into his ways and his love by our freewill choice to either be with him or reject his ways all the times people tried to half ass or do it their way instead of relying on God alone and His instructions it'll come out completely different and contridictory to the scripture and its self dancing on sand. Dispensation is a heresy as i explain in part in comments below my main comment. I cite alot of sources to test out and alot of scripture to verify that people dont even know exist or believe christ came in total contridiction to God and did away with everything which would not only make him a sinner but also a liar and a hypocrite considering all his claims and all the prophices that need to be skipped oveer tossed out and reading the scriptures with a sharpie and scissors. Truly go through each positional claim and test the things i presented not on the basis of a presumpasitional doctrine that isnt found in scripture (prov 4:2) but asking what is Sinn (lev 5:17; numb 15:30-31; 1 john 3:4 ect) how do we love God ex. 20:6 deut 5:10; john 14 ect) what the decalougue actually is(10 words also in hebrew dabar [not mitzvah- being commandments]) and that his whole law and commandments for all people as they apply is from the beginning before moses wrote it down (roms 4; Gen 26:4; Noah named unclean and clean; cain and able sacrificed ofnfirst fruits; adam and eve sinned by breaking all 10 words and in addition ex 20:6 deut 5:10 plus duet 4:2 12:32 and many ohers just by eating from the tree of knowledge and hiding from God and denying responsibility and not repenting. Read psalm 19:7; all.of 119 and many other passages i cite. Majority of people are hardwired to deny Gods ways and this was prophiced to happen in song of moses Daniel isa ez jer ect. Malachi being the last again stating for us to come back into his grace mercy and promises by believing in Him and his ways obeying and doing them as seen cover to cover after we are punished for a short time but to not lose hope in his redemptive promise. We also must be alive in our faith read all the epistles outside of pauls, and their contrary claims in consideration w how paul is misused and misinterpreted creating unnecessary contridictions both old and new and within itself, which we are warned about doing in by Peter 2 pet 3. Be safe and well test what i have claimed against its claim and not "well that cant be right bc i disagree by this doctrine of men". Aks me to defend and to clarify what i mean by removing ur lens of presumpasition and be a good berean testing everything against the tanakh (law and prophets as they did when the gospel was being presented as being fulfilled which isnt only the new test but from Eden.) to be approved before God 1 thes 5:21 psalm 90 12 2 tim 2:15 1 tim 1:8-11.
what and how is the law of God the way truth light and life? Who example are we to follow?
The law is:
The way ex 18:20; deut 10:12; Josh 22:5; 1 kin 2:3; psa 119:1; prov 6:23; isa 2:3; mal 2:8; mark 12:14; acts 24:14
The truth psa 43:2-4; 119:142; mal 2:6; rom 2:20; Gal 5:7; jo 8:31-32
Life job 33:30; psa 36:9; prov 6:23; Rev 22:14
Light job 24:13; 29:3; psa 36:9; 43:2-4; 119:105; prov 6:3; isa 2:5; 8:20; 51:4; 2 cor 6:14; 1 jo 1:7
Jesus is:
the word of God jo 1:1-14
Law acted out jo 14:6
The law is liberty psa 119:44-45; james 1:25; 2:12
Jesus is our liberty gal 5:1
Whats the doctrinal issue? Prov 4:2
Salvation by grace through faith Blessings by the law through obedience
Wisdom vs foolishness
prov 12:1; 15:5-15, 32; 29:1-25.
1 John 2:3-4: “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
Matthew 24:9-10,24
“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Mind pointing out the bornagain believers in the verses you used in Matthew, seeing Jesus had not gone to the cross yet?
Amen Brother. You may also be interested in this channel which compliments what you have posted. Grace and Peace. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
AMEN... This is such a blessing for me... Thanks for posting...
What the vast majority of the evangelical world has completely missed is that there are the Works of the Law or the Works of the Flesh which can never justify a man. That would be categorized as a Works Salvation. But there is another category of works which count as righteousness. These are the works/fruit which proceed from an abiding/obedient faith walk. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. But the gospel which misdefines grace, faith, justification and thereby, salvation itself will not even hear anything that mentions or in the slightest way hints that there is a requirement on our part even though the Bible is replete with commands for believers. It is an error of untold devastation. To whom much is given, nothing can be expected we are told, otherwise we undermine the Finished Work of Jesus. It is such a falsehood which will doom multitudes.
The only works that count are those done after you are saved and indwelt by the Holy Spirit and guided by him , and do it for him not selfish motives.
water baptism and repentance are not works of the flesh neither works of the law of Moses, they are the law of righteoussness and obedience unto faith.
@@JoyDaz00 I don't disagree.
@@herbshattuck6269 oh, ok. Hope you are born again of water and Spirit already. If not, it is urgent to obey, it is for your soul! Read John 3:5-7 and than Acts 2:37-38
@@JoyDaz00 Yes, already there with you.
Amen, glory to God for a preacher who do His bidding, pastor david pawson...although i came to know about him today only april172021, im deeply moved by how he preach the full counsel of the Lord...i will read my bible and cherish Gods words for us who believe... 🙏
You cannot lose your salvation. There are numerous passages in the Bible that say so.
The first question is when are you saved ?
There are many verses in the Bible that indicate you can lose your salvation - Hebrews 10:26 is but one
"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sin is left"
.....after we have received..
And Jesus own words in Matthew 10:22
"You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved"
........Being saved is an event in the future ..... for those who run and complete the race
and Rev 3:5
"The one who is overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels
....... has an implication.... to those who overcome ........will be saved - future
Once you are saved, then David would agree with you
Jn 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
@@DavidPawsonMinistryRead Hebrews 10 again. You are not only SAVED but sanctified and PERFECTED FOREVER BY ONE OFFERING. MOREOVER who did the will ? Jesus Christ said LO I COME TO DO THY WILL O GOD! To paraphrase. Jesus Christ did it all. Moreover it shows that your sins are not only FORGIVEN but NO LONGER REMEMBERED. Those who draw back in UNBELIEF and DESPITE GRACE are the ones with no sacrifice as you cannot go back to blood and bulls which offered by law.
If righteousness come by the law Christ is dead in Vain. Get right with God!
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There are only 3 verses that say that
And 122 verses against it
Be ye thou faithful unto death, and I will give you a crown of life.
Another one says; He who overcomes shall not be forgotten but shall rejoice in paradise. What happens if you don't overcome
I am the and my Father the gardener.........
All these scriptures are telling us we have a roll to play.
Your scripture saying no one shall plack them out of my hands means,... as long as you abide in him (remain in the vine) no one can snatch you out of Jesus's pulm
@@DavidPawsonMinistry This is when we are saved....when we believed and sealed by the Holy Spirit.......Not at Glorification which is where you want to define salvation as happening.......You are a false teacher........Ephesians 1:13-14 "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession-to the praise of his glory." Once you are marked in him with a seal; the promised Holy Spirit when you believed......From that point on you have eternal life and cannot lose your salvation.......You are teaching heresy...... please be quiet.
Obedience to God is the best way to show that you believe in Him. To teach that one is saved forever simply by believing and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior is certainly a heresy. Satan himself believes in that and he is definitely not saved!! Believing in Jesus is not simply believing about him being the Lord and Savior but it is believing in His words. And if you really believe in His words and recognize Him truly as Lord of your life, then you will obey.
Truth there.
If you are searching scripture and worried that you might have lost your salvation after years of backsliding. Is it the Holy Spirit trying to reach out? What I’m trying to ask: If your heart is harden you will not care or worry but if your trembling in fear that to me means you still have time. Is this correct ?
Correct Edward! If you are feeling that your life is a mess being outside the will of God & you feel him tugging on your heart yes you are saved. But
yes . cos the fool does not care for truth
@@frenkvortice3858 Your the idiot who cannot deal with the truth!
David Pawson is absolutely correct, however the real problem lies with the fundamental error that Justification is viewed as a one time event, and that there can be no expectations of the recipient of God's Grace or what Saving Faith is.
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Mr. Pawson, did you ever question that your Savior was enough. Mine is Jireh, and will forever be enough! We might lose ourselves, but He never loses us.
Exodus 20:16-17
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Are you saying that there are no conditions that we must meet in order to be saved? You are saying that we are saved no matter what we do or do not do?
@@timothyseals3791 Yes, God saves us when we ARE dead and ungodly . He makes us perfect through the FINISHED and complete work of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Iam seen in heaven now by God, simply because God sees me in Christ with His righteousness
@@Over-for-now So you did nothing to get saved?
People who say that we do not need to do anything to get saved, are not following the bible and are not saved. Anyone who says that we can not lose our salvation, does not understand how to be saved.