Ghost Pedaling and the Magicycle 52V e-bike
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- Ghost Pedaling, What I believe and what I learned first hand. Believe what you want, but for this 64 year old. these are my findings. My channels focus is on e-bike content, RVing, droning while traveling and e-biking, and living my best retired life. My goal is to make videos fun and informative. I make videos for enjoyment as a hobby. Remember I am an amateur not a professional so please excuse some less than perfect editing. I hope you will find them entertaining and helpful. My newest videos have a primary focus on e-bikes, because there is so much great content with reviews, riding and vloging about those rides.
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Hi Bruce. Love your channel but you're all wet on this one. Lol. The purpose of the bigger crank sprocket is not to make the bike go faster. The purpose of the bigger crank gear (52T) is to mitigate ghost pedaling at higher speeds (20+ mph), by actually allowing the rider to input some mechanical human power, thereby reducing the load on the battery and increasing your actual range. I installed the 52 tooth crank gear on my bike and increased my distance on a full battery charge by almost 10 miles! Now, in PAS 4, I can cruise at 20 mph and slowly ghost pedal if I want to, but with the bigger crank, I can now pedal harder, (not faster) and MAINTAIN 20 mph, while I watch my wattage meter decrease while I pedal harder. With the old crank gear in PAS 4 at 20 mph, I couldn't pedal fast enough to offer any input power. Now I can "help" through all gears to maintain the desired speed and do it for less watts. I can also tell I'm getting more of a physical workout, which corroborates my theory. Keep up the good work Bruce. You might want to take this video down though buddy. You sound like a cranky old Karen when you try to make it about irresponsible riders that just want to go faster. Lol. Luv ya.
Rick, Thank You appreciate the love. I guess I did not say I understand the need for petal resistance and yep i get not everyone wants more speed vs just some resistance. 100% agree with you. Thank for the sub and comment. ;-)
This comment is exactly right. I do 25 mph on my road bike (non-ebike). I get on my e-bike and at 25 mph it ghost pedals. I need to change the front sprocket to make it so I'm engaging the drive with my legs and not just the motor. This will increase battery range and reduce strain on the electric motor. This video is very misleading and is going to give people the wrong information.
i live in the u.k and have an Engwe Engine x 250w hub motor ebike thats compliant with u.k regulations. it has the 7 speed tourney 14/28 freewheel gearing and having a bigger chainring makes for a more relaxing ride. the only thing i have changed on the settings is the throttle unlock to help me pull away as the bike on its own weighs 32kg along with my fully laden pannier bag on the rack and me pushing over 110kg. the pedal assist remains locked at 15.5mph after which the motor cuts out. its not about speed my friend but rider comfort. others may choose to act like yobs and spoil it for the rest of us but we're not all idiots.
I have only had mine a about a week and for sure it ghost pedals in 7 gear. Wish I could pedal more at higher speed and I think that’s the problem. You get to top speed and you can’t pedal fast enough to do anything. It’s definitely a issue I can see people having.
It can be modded Jimmy DIY. Add like a 53 tooth front sprocket for 35 bucks and it will eliminate it. I usually go about 16-22 so I will not be doing it....Well if a company sent me one I would put it on. LOL
Just go 52t plug n play.
Glad I watched this. I was getting ready to put a new front sprocket on my Deer Mini that I have had for a couple weeks. On the pas 5-7 I just ghost pedal. On pas 7 The bike does 28 mph just ghost pedaling. I have re-evaluated my pedaling, and can see pas 2 and 3 are just fine with adjusting the shifter for pedal ease. This gets me 15-17 mph and this is just fine. The Deer Mini has so much left over power that has taken time to get used to. It slices up steep hills on the higher pas levels like butter!
I know lots of people swear by bigger chain ring. I may add one eventually on a bike just as an instructional video...I find it unnecessary for myself. TY for the view Steve. We are hot so i immaging your hot on the east side of Mt Hood.
On Point !!!
Not trying to go faster. Just want to feel the crank at high speed because it feels awkward and kinda unsafe to be fake pedaling at those speeds. Literally just want to feel a little crank. I tried the 52t and it helped but didn't go far enough, but I backed off because I rarely use that speed anyways. Good thoughts though.
That does make the most sense. Everyone does say its for the resistance feel, and it would be very hard to make these big bikes much faster. Thanks for the comment.
Having the correct sprocket size to match the motors speed and you will not have any issues pedaling. ( FACT )
I cant agree more! Excellent point. MAke it what you want...need...desire.
Another good video, Bruce.
TY Tony appreciate it. See you on the live later today.
Good job Bruce
Just watched your hat video. LOL
@@RVEnthusiast Bruce what bike do the ladies of your family prefer. I’m doing some thinking 🤔
Great video Bruce, Love you too!
Thank You so Much. Proof you watched the whole video. LOL. Thanks for the wonderful comment.
It really depends on where you live. If you live somewhere out from the city. House that’s miles away from you.. go fast as you want.. no one to hit.. only a person that doesn’t care go fast in the city. And they don’t need one.. my bike go 32 from the factory with no ps
100% agree Portland really does a good job with e-bikes and e-bike lanes. My issue is e-bike commuters think they can do whatever they want how they want. Somewhat its true, but they risk there lives doing so. bars are 20x-30x their weight and will kill them by the driver missing a e-bikers poor judgement. ALways have your head on a pivot. ALways think safety first. Also. the faster you go the more it hurts when you fall. Thanks for the great comment. Sorry I went on a tangent.
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How can the KBO Breeze get 37 miles with throttle only and with a smaller battery and less amps and the Ocelot Pro only get 27 miles only with a bigger battery and more amps?
Tires are 2.2 inch, so rolling resistance is way less. Tire inflation is 50Lbs vs 20Lbs on the Ocelot not Fat-Tires and its 500W not 750W running at 900W most of the ride. Also it was 35 Miles. Had to look as I did not remember.
@@RVEnthusiast thank you.
@@CC18EBikes Thanks for watching.
@@RVEnthusiast I watch all your video's. My wife and I are thinking of buying two Ocelot Pros. I'll be 74 in January and an E Bike would be good for me to get out and exercise. We live in Northwest Ohio and the land is flat on the old Scioto Marsh, 60 miles Northwest of Columbus.
@@CC18EBikes Excellent ebikes for all of us who are aging. Im 65 and love the Ocelot Pro. Fun bikes and you will love spring/summer/fall in Ohio with then. I am a Buckeye 1982.
I bought my bike a month ago I am totally new to e-bikes but I have new brakes being put on the bike and then will ride for the first time. I have to admit I am a bit afraid of this bike.
JIm, not sure how old or what your size and health is. I have no health issues, Just weight issues. If you are anything like me...You will absolutely love this bike. Take your time getting use to it and mount or unmount it with the break lever pulled. It is a crazy fun bike to ride..
@@RVEnthusiast I am 69 years young and I carry a bit of weight. But still active.
I am using the stock brakes and they work totally fine. Bought mine 3 months ago. What I learned on this heavy bike is to apply both brakes simultaneously and hard if you need to stop quick. You will not lose control or risk going over the handebars like a light weight road bike. Also tune down the percentage on your PAS levels if you feel it too quick off the line for you.
Ghost pedaling occurs because of the gearing. Everyone uses 14 x 28 gears. This is too low. With higher gearing you can pedal with some level of resistance. No, no….you should be adjusting you gear to 4 or 5, not 7. It’s still part bicycle….you need to match your speed with the power of the motor.. you got it all wrong….! I pedal at an easy pace with some resistance by setting the pas level and the bike gear .
I soup up everything! This is no different.
haha. you are funny. I watch/read some of your post. Making sure we agree...It is all about speed. I really was not sure before I rode in this video what the results would be. I thought it was top spped only. That is what my conclusion was. 20-28 is plenty fas enough for me. I always think when Im going fast...ok if you fall it wont be pretty. Thanks for the view and comment Worthmor.
Totally agree. My experience is first of all I rarely want or need to go 28 MPH. Most of my riding is done between 15-20MPH. In that range I am never "Ghost pedaling". The only time I find I cannot push the bike faster with pedaling is downhill. And that is where you are storing more battery charge anyway. The comfort zone is definitely between 15-20MPH. If someone really needs to be going 25MPH and more, they should probably just get a motorcycle! LOL! Always trying run at top speed is a battery killer. For me I want exercise and the ability to get maximum range. Where I live a short trip is 10 miles. And I like to get out and put 25-30 miles on the bike when I can. That means PAS 2-3, 15-18MPH on average. I think that this is what this bike is designed for. And I forgot to mention that extra power of a 52V battery really kicks in when you are taking on the hills. I did a 2 mile journey uphill on a snow packed road and the Magicycle totally killed it! 15MPH uphill with PAS 4. That is what sets this bike apart from most others in this price class!
Agree with you. I don't even care when riding my other bikes that they don't go 28MPH. Im happy as heck going 15-18MPH
@@RVEnthusiast Absolutely! If someone is looking for a racing bike, then they start to need to look for five to $10,000. Yes for its purpose, magic cycle is at the top of the pack
@@jamesnewsom5899 Also agree if you need faster, Get a Honda 50CC Ruckus that goes 40+ IN our state no need for a Motorcycle license. Im very happy with an e-bike to help me get some exercise and ability to get out and enjoy the weather.
@@RVEnthusiast Well said! No Ebike under even 3k will satisfy motorheads
What’s the problem? I guess I don’t understand what Ghost peddling is, and what’s wrong with it? Truly, I’m not trying to be smart here but you seemed pissed at something and I want to understand.
Ghost peddling is when the motor gets to its limit to give you more power and the crank gears are to small or not enough teeth on the sprocket, ghost peddling accrues. You run out of ability to increase your speed beyond a given limit say of 28MPH. People shange out the sprocket to be able to increase there speed to some higher amount. say 32-35MPH. My issues is Class 3 is 28....Not 35, if you are not ghost peddling at 26 but are at 28 so what. Its design is for 28. Lots of people add larger sprockets to eliminate ghosting to allow higher speeds than allowed and by doing this puts people at risk. Much more to it than this simple reply, but it gets the point accross. Not mad though. Just was getting tired of all the ghost talk about this bike in-particular.
@@RVEnthusiast got it, thank you, I appreciate the response.
Try an ebike with a torque sensor.
Got several torque sensor e-bikes. I would rather ghost pedal honestly.
Sorry but you're not really addressing the main issue. Forget about the front sproket. The issue we have is the rear sproket. My 14-28 rear cassette is useless in 7th gear. It's impossible to pedal fast enough when doing 15 or 18 miles an hour. The reason.. that 14 gear sproket. You must have an 11 or 12. Again...If you had a 14 rear sproket it's impossible. .repeat.. impossible to get resistance when pedaling 18 miles an hour. If we change that rear to an 11-28 or 11-34 ... problem solved and our bikes behave more like yours. Bottom line.. your rear cassette must be properly geared. Lots of us are not.
Robert, You must not be listening to the same people I hear complain and they say...putting a 52-53 tooth front sprocket made a differance for them. Im ok if you just want to add resistance, but most seed to want to add more speed. I get the risistance thing. Also front sprocket is way cheaper and easier to install. What bike are you riding?
@@RVEnthusiast You're pretty good are responding. I'm driving a Lectric. I have two. Both suffer from very poor rear spindals.. 14-28 to be exact. So, when in 7th gear you can only pedal around 12 miles an hour. I pulled the rear wheel off and bought a freewheel with an 11-34 setup and will install that tomorrow. Interestingly enough.. when I pulled the rear wheel, I noticed that I may not have been shifting all the way into the smallest gear.. but judging from all the complaints on the forum... everyone complains about that set-up and all suggest getting the 11-28 or 11-34. I'm fine with the 28 but went for the 34 anyway... we do have some crazy hills here in Connecticut.
About what you were addressing. I agree with you. If people are trying to get a bigger front sproke to simply go faster than 25.. it's stupid... and dangerous. Very few ebikes have hydrolic breaks... and if you could stop fast enough to avoid a crash... you'd crash anyway. The Lectric's are set up as a Class 2 but has a very easy setting to change it to a class 3 which suposedly enables up to 38 miles an hour.... but not possible with that stupid 14 gear. By the way..I had a similar issue with another electric I had and did change the front sporket to a larger size but to be truthful.. it wasn't worth the effort. It was much more difficult than changing the cassette to a freewheel and was only a slight improvement.
Could not be more satisfied! The motor is powerful and other features are also beyond my expectations!
Me too Paul...Me too. Great Bike for sure.
Bull crap...Every road bike sold can go between 30 and 40 mph, without a motor, with the same allinimum frames and same components as an ebike..They are sold with that recognition, there is nothing more dangerous about going a few miles an hour faster on an electric bike..I put 60 thousand miles on my last ebike, it could go 40-45 miles an hour on motor power only, not dangerous if driven responsibly..You do you, and we will do us..Bikes are safer when you can keep up with traffic, 25 mph and 35 mph speed limits especially, and that is just common sense, if cars you can't really see are not passing you left and right, many people on bikes are hit and killed by cars passing them, and a ghost bike is born...
You are a little all over the place with this comment. Let me start with...Hi Nice to meet you. Thanks for the comment. Tires and made to certain specs. Not all tires are road bike tires. fat-tires bikes are not road tires. I will give you an example: General LT Truck tires and built different than RV tires and even though they have a large load capacity they are not build the same and should not be used in that manor. Riding a fat-tire bike at 40MPH is risky for a long period of time on hot pavement. Us who are 60+ do not need to be traveling on the road on a fat-tire bike at such speeds. Lets be honest! Can it be done absolutly, is it smart? Absolutely not. Ghost peddling is famous on most of these bikes, You need to change the front sprocket from 48t to 53t to eliminate it. Its just not worth the money and time to squeak out an additional 1-2MPH.
@@RVEnthusiast Let me start with hi there brother, a few miles an hour faster will make zero difference safety wise as long as your driving responsibly within your skill set and have the proper equipment..I always have Tannus armour inserts in my tires, and I run Maxxis fat tires, but never had a problem with Kenda's either..Everything we do is potentially dangerous in one form or another, like driving a car, going for a walk, our jobs, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do those things, just negate the risks and know your personal limitations and skills...Many people riding Ebikes probably shouldn't be, but, this is America, your free to make mistakes and learn from them..I was all over the place because there are lots of different ligitimate reasons to go a little faster...Let me end with, everybody can only be themselves, they can't be what we would like them to be, and, take care...
@@realeyesrealizereallies6828 Funny I go fast to for making videos. I applaud you for going the extra miles with t-armor liners. I saw lots of comments back in the early months of peopel just got to make them faster faster faster and it seamed like to many people were just jumping on that train and honestly most over 60 don't need to go that fast. I also agree sometimes it is absolutely necessary to go fast. I live in Oregon, sometime need to go fast. LOL. Take it easy and see you on the next livestream. Peace!
These types of bikes were not “designed” for any speed. They are “designed” to be more durable than standard bikes to support the weight they carry. In theory, the heavier frames and bigger tires do accommodate safer high speeds. However they are not “engineered or designed” for the speeds they are cable of. The only bikes designed for speed are road bikes. Ebikes of today are a new twist on a old tech and the only thing really getting “designed” is the appearance with very few exceptions…when it comes to this market. There are a lot of bikes “built” for speed, but how much engineering is going into them? While all of this can seem dangerous to non riders or novice riders, this whole Wild West that the eBike market is in, is pretty exciting.
I can appreciate you wanting people to be safe, but in all fairness putting a larger chain ring on will make pedaling at any speed safer. It slows down your leg movement and that creates more stability, that is why no one likes to experience ghost pedaling at any speed. You are removing your weight from the pedals and that takes your center of gravity and moves it dangerously high. Keeping your feet on the pedals and engaged keeps your weight very low, increases stability and that boosts confidence and rider experience. Working example is while going over bumps it’s best to stand up off the seat, that allows you better and safer control by lowering the center of mass.
Don’t worry about the people wanting to go fast, they will figure it all out on their own.
agree people will figure out how to go fast on their own no matter what. road bikes and road e-bikes are not the animal we are talking about as you point out. These fat tires only inflated to 30 lbs or less are not as stable at high speed. go around a corner at high speed and a low LB tire is much more likely to roll. Todd as I showed in the video, I could not get it to ghost pedal in anything but highest pas going as fast as the bike could go. Agree ghosting is unsafe and it feels unsafe as well. My point is easy, although maybe not said. Slow down or move to a lower pas to eliminate ghosting.
@@RVEnthusiast I think a good solution would be to get 160mm crank arms. Make the bike more stable while pedaling and easier to pedal for shorter riders.
@@NelsonKNelson larger chain ring will not increase the top speed of the motor. There is a speed limiter. No average rider could tell without being told of a 10mm crank arm difference without really thinking about it and then I doubt it. Smaller crank arms will upset the bike less while pedaling fast. There is really no downside unless the motor goes out, and then it’s nominal at best. Better ground clearance for less pedal strikes. On a ebike it will keep power more fluid and possibly feel quicker. Win win
@@NelsonKNelson i don’t share any of the fears, I have rode motorcycles since I was 7. My DIY bike’s tires are as small as 2.25, but I’m rolling on 2.5 knobbies and at 30plus they are pretty active. But as I said, I rarely go fast fast. The only thing bikes and ebikes need for speed is geometry and hydraulic disc brakes.
If you are focused on a heavier “feel” for more exercise, change the power percentage available in all PAS levels. Maybe set 4 at 100% then set 5 at 70%. Use 4 to get to speed and 5 to feel the burn.
I feel like shorter arms on a ebike gives better control at slower speeds and technical situations. Especially between cadence surges.
@@NelsonKNelson lol Harley Dresser going fast…now that’s funny. I think driving bagger faster than most crotch rockets are ridden is way more dangerous than getting a 80lb fat tire ebike over 35mph. And talk about the wrong platform. Lol Nothing wrong with with not wanting to go fast though. Especially on this type of ebike. I have another fat tire ebike on order, it’s a mid drive…soon as I get it, I’ll unlock the speed on it. I spoke to a guy this evening that has the controller to make it unrestricted. I’m full in on this ebike fad. I’ve grown up on two wheels, but recently sold my last motorcycle after 38years on the street. Just too many cel phones driving cars for me to feel safe. I raced bicycles when I was a teen and had a full on obsession with bikes up until I got my first car. A couple of years ago I got back into riding and I love it. Now with having ebikes, it’s a whole new game. I’m thinking about opening up a service shop for ebikes, we do not have a ebike shop within 40miles and none of our local shops will touch the “e” part of the ebike. LOL
Have a great night, see ya on FB
I don't agree,i start ghost pedaling at 16mph and the bike will get up to 28mph so i needs regearing not to go faster but to be able to have some pedal feel up to 25mph,16mph is crap might as well get a moped.
I agree, why do that, might as well ride a non motorized bike if you are gonna do that. I have a mid drive 750 Bafang and I just go in PAS2 and ride about 17 miles per hour. I wanna go distance but not want a rocket to ride on.
Very interesting video and I'm glad I watched it. It gave me a little better perspective on how the cadence sensor e-bikes work. I've only ever owned/ridden an e-bike with a torque sensor. I bought two, a stepover for me and a step thru for my wife. Both 750 watt hub motor bikes. I bought the torque sensor bikes because I wanted them for exercise, thinking that a cadence sensor would just encourage me to be lazy. But I can see now that you can indeed get exercise with a cadence sensor if you just use it correctly. But all I would see in my area are people riding around on e-bikes and going fast without pedaling. Not what I wanted. I really love my torque sensor because I can get peddle assist at any speed within my gear range and at any PAS level. I usually ride in PAS 2 unless I'm coming to a hill and get assist at any speed for as fast as I can peddle. The trouble is, the stock gearing will only allow me to reach 20-21 mph at a brisk cadence while the motor is capable of assisting up to 28 mph. And with a torque sensor bike, the motor only provides assistance based on how much pressure it feels from the peddles. No pressure, no assistance. Ghost peddling is a big issue with a torque sensor e-bike. It won't just take me to 28 mph on PAS 5 like a cadence sensor bike will. I have to peddle fast and furious just to get over 21 mph. Now this isn't a problem on bike paths or anywhere I am riding around people. I keep my speed around 12 mph when I'm on bike paths and in parks. And I slow way down when I pass people so as not to scare them or piss them off. But when I'm out on the road mixing with the cars, that's where the problem is. And usually you have to do that to get to and from a park or bike path. That's where I could use the extra speed to mingle with the traffic adequately so I don't drive them to do stupid things that risk life and limb (mine) to get around me. Having that burst of speed to get around parked cars or other obstacles and then get back out of the way so they can pass you safely can go a long way to prevent road rage. Anyway, I would just like to be able to utilize that 28 mph capability of my e-motor better. So I have a 48 tooth ring gear (currently 42) and a 11-34 cassette (currently 14-28) on order headed my way. Not everybody is doing these upgrades so they can drive fast and act like maniacs. I still am going to keep my speed down in parks and on bike paths out of respect for others and to keep from giving e-bikes a bad name. I just want to be able to utilize my 28 mph motor assist when the occasion calls for it without having to peddle like a mad man to do it. That just creates a lot of unsafe wobbling, instability, and loss of attention to your surroundings, as well as making you look stupid. 😳 But I do appreciate your take on this. Just wanted to share the other side of the story. 🙂
People are going to modify things just like cars or any other toy. No sane person would act so recklessly as to plow into a pedestrian or other rider. Obviously that would bust themselves up as well. Lawyers and liability insurance companies will have a say in how this shakes out.
The controller in e bikes also have a say in how fast a bike can go. The PWM (pulse-width modulator) outputs a corresponding pulse waveform to the MOSFET drive circuit based on the input of the throttle or PAS. The MOSFET drive circuit controls the turn-on and turn-off of the MOSFET circuit to control the motor speed. The RPM of the wheel under load can only spin so fast as the controller allows.
I don't think most people would, but some people do some dumb stuff especially when angry or have been cut off or some other reason. You also cant overlook mechanical failure when over stressing parts or rubber or just wear and tear . If I were a lawyer I would absolutely look into all aspects of what caused injured my client. I would absolutely go after them if the modified part of the bike was the cause. Also by changing tire size you can make the bike go faster. I get modifing things for sure, but I put the video because of so much conversation regarding the subject.
@@RVEnthusiast Because of the small wheel size, folding bike manufacturers favored big front sprocket size long before e bikes. Ghost pedal existed before e bikes. Going too fast has always been a risk.
Brother go easy you sound like you're going to have a stroke
Your wrong because you changed the settings on your bike. Change it back to factor settings and then try your test. I know when you said you was going 12 mph in pas 3 I knew you was your settings. Even if you change your front sporket will not increase your speed like you think. Your test is wrong and you are giving bad advice. You don’t understand how it work. Try again and come back and tell up what you get, but you must go back to factory settings and use 0-5. I never changed my settings only unlocked my Himiway Cruiser. I changed my front and rear sprockets not to go faster but to have some feeling in my paddle when I’m in a high pas level.
I appreciate the comment, But I am not wrong. Ghost peddling ocures 100% on the Magicycle reguardless of playing with the settings in the final gear/final PAS/Top speed. Changes in the settings mean nothing. I am one of the the biggest fans of Magicycle. I don't care if it ghost peddles. It is all over our FB Channels about ghost peddling. Look others up on it on youtube. 100% guarantee im correct.
@@RVEnthusiast I remember when you got your Magicycle. Why don’t you try what I suggested? Just because you put a bigger gear won’t go 40 or 50 mph. Think about it there no way your legs can keep up with a 750w motor. I have a 53t on my bike and I have used my full 100% power on my bike and I still only get up to 28 to 32 mph. Your power settings you have your bike in is why you don’t feel the ghost paddling we are talking about. I done it both ways with my original gear and my 53t gear and I know that what you are saying is incorrect. As we talk today it seem that you only tried one way and using that information to make you decision. You don’t have to put a 52t on your bike just put your bike power back to factory settings and try ride it and you will see that ghost paddling is real!!!. Try it and then put your settings back how you had them. Another thing look up ghost paddling on TH-cam and you can see it and not talk about it. My e-bike that I built did the same thing in the lowest gear and it ghost paddled and still do I never change anything on that bike because I didn’t know how to fix it but understood it was too much power for my set up.
@@robertbrooks7936 I say Ghost peddling is real. Highest gear, highest PAS as fast as you can Ghost peddling does occure. 100% agree Robert. Where are we in disagreement? PAS3 ghost peddling? I realize you will not go 40-50...I was using that as an example for other bikes that do. My apologies if I was not exactly clear on that. You put on a 52-53 tooth sprocket to eliminate ghosting, you will have the ability to go faster. I can only get mine to about 27 then it ghost on me...its OK because I don't want to go that fast as many others do. If you have peddle resistance you have the ability to go faster. Thats a fact, its all dependant on strength.
@@RVEnthusiast I agree!!!
@@robertbrooks7936 Good Good Robert. Im not a good wordsmith sometimes/most-times. have a great weekend.
U definitely want to go fast on the road. Which u supoosed to be riding on instead of the sidewalk. Cars would be zipping by you and occational distracted driver wpuld more likely to run u over if u go 15 miles slower than them . Faster speed definitely safer not more danger. If u go with the flow of traffic even if they are distracted they cant run u over .
On the road with traffic you are on point Tommy. The be-bike goes no faster than when youu throttle it. Throttle it and then concentrate on the more important job of watching the other crazy people out there not paying attention. ;-)
Another point to consider after much research. Different needs and classes of riders. For those that are looking for extreme cycling like mountain biking on extreme trails then the choice is a center mounted motor which is just constantly assisting you according to your pedal torque. You can plan on spending $5k and up. I have been looking at bikes like that at my local bike shop. These are for extreme sports enthusiasts on serious trail riding. Magicycle and others in this category are not for that purpose. In its class and price range, Magicycle is amazing. You have to know what your primary purpose in owning an Ebike if for before you purchase. If you are looking for a moto sport bike then buy that!