I wasn’t expecting part about false scarcity (only permitting X number of licenses per year and selling them for a super premium price) to be glossed over quite so quickly.
@@kalashydra9016yea, but most of them are expensive because there REALLY isn't much of it, there could be more of these but they don't allow it to keep the price up, just like diamonds, tons of diamonds are available but they're trickled out slowly over time to manipulate and maintain absurd prices, after we gained the technology to create diamonds many places passed laws that you had to be able to identify "fake" diamonds, you might think it's to prevent someone from selling you a diamond you believe is natural when it's actually man made, but it's not they have to be marked so they don't crash the value of natural diamonds.
@@kalashydra9016 there's a difference between something being rare because it's difficult to make or grow, and something being rare simply because you reduce supply
I might be in the minority, but I actually prefer the green kiwi. It is less sweet and a bit more sour, which I enjoy. Not to mention the beautiful vibrant green is so much more enticing to me than the brownish mushy green of the “golden kiwi.”
@@bosansekali898 According to Google (which references the USDA), 100g of green kiwis contain 92.7mg of Vitamin C and 100g of gold kiwis contain 105.4mg.
For starters, if anything we should be encouraging genetic variability. I think copyrighting fruit is crazy. Diseases can wipe out an entire industry because most of the fruit we get in the Supermarket are too genetically similar and vulnerable. Golden Kiwi's survived a disease that did just that in NZ, but only this company can grow them. I just think that is wild. I understand that they developed a certain process, but the Kiwi itself originated in China and they invented the original commercial and harvesting technique. Unless the Golden Kiwi crossbreeding process map was stolen out of a desk, it seems just as weird as China suing them for 'stealing' their fruit in the first place. Generally, we have thousands of tonnes of waste every day for that perfect Supermarket apple. The growing, processing, and shipping alone generate a lot of waste. Fruit that are perfectly edible but just oddly sized or oddly shaped don't even make it off the farm. Even perfectly good fruit have to follow somewhat arbitrary regulations, and after some time there is little incentive for Grocery chains to do more than send them to a landfill after some time. @@Dartht33bagger.
You can grow golden kiwis, just not this particular variety. There are plenty of golden kiwi varieties out there, some of which are very occasionally available from various nurseries. That being said though, fuzzy kiwis can be a huge pain in the ass to grow because they basically _require_ a warm temperate oceanic climate (the hardiest cultivars can handle around -15 C but the yellow ones are known for being less hardy) as well as cross pollination. You're honestly best off trying hardy kiwis (Actinidia arguta) which are small, fuzzless, and have thin skin so super nice to eat, very sweet, and they grow like a weed in pretty much any temperate climate. These yellow ones are basically just pure marketing. You're not missing out on much.
It pisses me off to no end that people are comparing us in their heads to Americans by accusing us of running a scarcity scam. When did it become so normal in America to talk shit about people's countries and think nothing of it? A group of working class farmers band together to protect their crop and all of a sudden Americans automatically think "Soulless corporate entity!" and get abusive toward my country without even listening. Our plants were literally stolen in an act of espionage.
yep, prety much, overly pedantic engineered scarcity, with qc too high causing themt o be even mroe scarce and havign the sxcess un qc fruit needignto be not sold, vs allwoignthem to sell tehm as generic, and non quality/budget variety
I'm surprised they said they're smaller! In NZ the golden kiwis are always bigger and when in season, only $2.99/kg (or less). I've even seen them cheaper than potatoes this year, it's a surprise to see them small and expensive!
Yeah it's quite odd they said the gold is smaller. Gold is bigger by a good margin. I've worked kiwifruit for almost 10 years, and gold is typically 30% bigger with an average weight of 200grams whereas green averages 140grams.
One thing that was not mentioned is that kiwi plants aren't self-fertile, meaning you need a male and female plant to produce kiwi fruit. The vines and leaves are also very pretty, and at least for green kiwi plants, the vines and leaves are just as hair as the fruit so they feel very similar (and nice, if you like the soft prickly feeling) to the touch.
@@tamatea_you probs have some sorta hybrid that produces both. Lucky you dioecious plants are weird in that sense. Sometimes they produce both flowers that also self polinate.
You need a male kiwi plant, and it woud have to also flower at the same time, so either someone has a male kiwi plant nearby OR you have a self-pollinating kiwi plant and should start propagating cuttings from the vine because you just solved the most annoying issue with producing kiwi fruit.
I live in nyc, you know, one of the most expensive cities in the world, and there actually pretty cheap here, only a little more expensive than the green one
Wow, must be nice to be living in a climate where kiwis grow. New Zealand and Japan remind a lot about Norway, only semi-tropical instead of semi-arctic. Sitting and waiting for another brutal winter here.
About 25yrs ago i was a picker and pruner on some of the Tauranga kiwifruit orchards. Occasionally I'd come across a kiwifruit that had ripened on the vine and omg the flavour was incredible. They'd be worthy of being served up for dessert at the finest restaurants they were that nice.
@@chintz7428 I wouldn't think so. I know nothing about avocados, but with kiwifruit plants you prune according to whether they're grown on T-bars or pergola (pergola being the most preferred). Theres a central stem then lateral vines that spread out from the head. After 4-5yrs of growth I always pruned them harshly, and they always sprang back again better than before. P.S. the scent of kiwifruit flowers in the spring is divine..
I know a couple of people who used to work as researchers for the kiwifruit industry here in Aotearoa. One of them was involved in the creation of the red variety (honestly not that great imo) and told me that staff could be fined millions for talking about their work (I’m not sure if he was speaking figuratively or not - after watching this video I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true). A couple of years ago my other mate gave me a tour of research place they worked at and I remember thinking that the security was crazily tight for what was basically just a fancy orchard! I’m not sure I agree with the ethics of copywriting a fruit especially when the financial benefits don’t seem to trickle down that well. Orchard jobs are hard work and they’re often taken by migrant workers who are easier to exploit.
re: ethics of copywriting a fruit - it gets even worse when you consider that the original plants were effectively stolen out of China (along with tea) at a time when Western nations had muscled their way into China through a series of wars and a prolonged drug-smuggling campaign. 😬 Good thing China weren't able to stop them doing so I guess?
I quite like the red - a very different flavour profile - Green are best if you want to eat a few at a time - Gold is good is best as a one off ( ie gold is too sweet to eat 3 at a time for me - but I'm a granny smith person )
I know the plant breeders of this fruit and by brother is the one who is the legal specialist who registered ther copyright for Hort research now Plant and Food as well as licensed growers rights to Zespri to grown it for which they pay royalties to Plant and Food New Zealand
I work at Plant and Food Research and my colleague told me their partner brought some of the red kiwifruit home to eat before they were publicly known about. Hopefully they weren't risking a fine of millions!
I bought some of these today and I just ate one and I almost dropped the spoon. I have never had one of these and immediately typed it in on TH-cam and started watching this video. I cannot believe how amazing these kiwis are. They are hands down, the best fruit I have ever tried. I didn’t look at the price when I bought them but I wouldn’t care what the price is, it’s worth it
It is legally possible to grow the seeds from a Sun Gold kiwi and not get sued for it. That's because kiwi fruit needs to cross pollinate, meaning the seeds won't grow true to type, and thus they technically won't be a Sun Gold kiwi. You could grow and nurture the seedlings into mature plants and you won't know what sort of fruit you're going to get until you get fruit from your new vine to eat, which takes a few years when grown from seed. You could end up with a kiwi fruit that looks like a Sun Gold, but doesn't have the same disease resistance, or has green flesh, or isn't as sweet, or has thicker furry skin, or is larger. Or you could end up with a kiwi fruit that looks like a green one, but has yellow flesh, or is a bit sweeter, or has a better disease resistance, or has thinner smoother skin, or is smaller. There is an extremely small chance that you could also end up with a kiwi fruit that looks and tastes just like a Sun Gold, but the genetics will be just different enough to win a legal case if tested so long as it's not sold and marketed as being a Sun Gold, because it won't be a Sun Gold. So if you want to have a try at developing your own yellow kiwi fruit, grow from seed, and spend years waiting for them to grow, and then cross breed them yourself and wait some more years to see what you get from doing that, and eventually you'll develop a new variety of kiwi. That's one way to go about it. The other way is to be a genetic engineer with a laboratory and slice the kiwi genes you want together to create your own variety of fruit, which will still take years of growing to make sure you got what you wanted, and it will cost a lot of money, but it'll save a lot of time and greatly reduce the number of failures.
They will probably ask you for a paper work and if you can't provide it assume you pirated it and fine you. Court system is pay to win big cop would probably win even you you did it legally.
@@test-rj2vl But you could provide a shopping receipt for a green kiwi and say you grew it from those seeds. The onus would be on the copyright owner to prove your version is infringing, so they'd have to pay for the DNA test if they don't believe you because otherwise they wouldn't have any evidence you're infringing, and you can't win a court case without evidence.
I love how they bred the seeds out of it so you can grow your own this is the worst ideas I've ever seen they're gonna make it so we can't even provide for ourselves soon enough. Kiwis were fine and the yellow ones are no different. If you pay attention very closely a lot of fruits are losing their seeds as they "improve" them
Copyrighting plants is probably one of the most evil things corporations have ever done. I only grow plants under the OSSI (Open Seed Source Initiative) where they are uncopyrightable. Also I support stealing and growing "copyrighted" food. Power to the people!
golden kiwis are genetically modified by them and wont exist without them. its a product of years of research that started way back in the 1970s. No one wants to get their efforts copied and get nothing in return.
Many years and tons of work, and therefore MONEY, goes into creating those new variants. When it becomes successful, you just want to steal the result of their work and give them nothing in return? You are the evil and selfish one. Not them. You are not entitled to get their research for free. It's called an investment. They poured that initial money and research into a new product with the understanding that they can get that money back and make some profit. Otherwise it would not have been created in the first place. You can create your own new variant and then then YOU can give it away for free.
The copyrighted fruit doesn't occur naturally. Why should the farmer's cooperative have to share the production of it after they spent sums of money to breed and create the fruit. If you don't want to pay for the ability to use it, then breed your own variety. Or is that too difficult and expensive to do?
@@danielpolandmost, if not all modern fruits and vegetables, are created through hybridization/breeding. When is the last time you payed for growing a zucchini? Cause Italy created the current breed you buy.
I've tried a kiwi for the first time almost a decade ago and it was a golden kiwi. I just happen to be at the super market and I saw them in their plastic clams and they look really good and it was on sale. So I bought one and WOW it was juicy, sweet and a little tangy. I don't see them at the supermarket much since they have to be shipped in but I keep an eye out for them. So far I've only was able to buy 3 times in so many years.
I bought one box all excited but was disappointed, my least favourite of the three. Maybe they haven't figured out how to grow them yet like the first few years of the golden kiwifruit
I love this kiwi. Just shoved 4 into my face this morning. The quality control on this is worth every penny. I want an endless supply. I put the green kiwis in my kale smoothies. Stay golden, little one.
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
I talked about Kiwis with my two kids and found out they'd never tried it, so I went to the store and got some. First thing I noticed was the lack of "hairs" on the exterior and when I opened them up they weren't green inside and lacked the sour taste so it must've been these. Kind of reminded me of a really juicy pear 🍐
People who are allergic to the green kiwi fruit can often eat the yellow ones. Up to 25% of kids are allergic to green kiwi, although it’s generally mild (gas, runny nose, hay fever like symptoms, mild rash, etc). The green ones make me violently ill, but the yellow ones are fine.
@@normalpie7577then again it was your fellow New Zealanders who named the fruit the kiwi after seeing its resemblance to the bird. These things used to be called Chinese gooseberries.
@@normalpie7577 For good reason. Many people don't like communist countries that don't respect a company's intellectual property and also artificially devalue their currency to take advantage of other countries. But keep your head in the sand... 🤣
0:03: Golden kiwis are sweeter and softer than green kiwis, but cost almost twice as much. 0:37: Some golden kiwis have been smuggled out of New Zealand and sold for high prices. 1:43: The labor-intensive process of harvesting golden kiwis drives up costs. 6:52: Golden-kiwi orchards require more hands-on work and larger trees compared to green-kiwi orchards. 7:34: Thinning out the vines by hand allows for the production of perfectly sweet golden kiwis. 8:01: Many people overseas are unaware that kiwifruits grow on vines, not trees. Recap by Tammy AI
@@NMITNMIT been at 6% since start of the year cash rates stuck at 5%. Average floating rates are 8% interest rates. Our inflation rate amount Asia pacific hasn’t dropped which majority other have. Nothing compared to South America and Africa but it’s bad for our region.
What’s the Golden kiwi 🥝 price per piece in New Zealand? In Berlin, Germany it’s 1€ per piece for golden one and 0.67€ for the green ones. Golden one was my favourite, but now I know why and where it came from!
@@shubhammishra-cu7iq prices vary a KG is about $5NZD, we export a lot of goods as our economy is a major exporter less of an importer, like mutton and beef, it's actually cheaper in the EU than it is here. China gets a lot of goods from us.
I've had gold kiwi here in Canada and it's terribly sweet. I'd take the green ones over gold any day. But even that doesn't taste nearly as good as the green kiwi we had back home in Iran.
It may not have been a Hayward Green (HW), which is the predominant green variety, but the Sweet Green variety (G14). That variety requires a license to grow, has difficult cool-store storage and very low yields and is susceptible to PSA. It is still in production in limited grower numbers but it really has been uneconomic to produce with the advent of Sungold (G3). There are also two gold varieties, the Sungold and the much sweeter Charm variety (G9).
Golden kiwis are so delicious! Once I tried them, I never bought a green one again. I never realized how much effort it takes to grow this strain, so definitely buying the ones from New Zealand!
it depends where you're in the world and the climate you're in, the greatest varity in tropics however most of them cannot be exported you have to eat them fresh
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
Interesting video, thanks a lot. My family has been growing these fruits for years in China. Kiwis were named by new zealanders as how they resemble kiwi birds. From where I grew up, they were enjoyed by Macaques （猕猴），thus they were named as Macaques peaches (猕猴桃）. One thing was wrong in this video - it was not called gooseberry in china at all. Mary Isabel Fraser, the principal of Wanganui Girls’ College described them as gooseberries and brought them to NZ in 1904. Rumors said it was also illegal but back then war-torn China was not able to copyright anything. We have many varieties of tasty and balanced-taste fruits available from my family farm, but hey I also enjoy this strain Zespri developed, the best part of global supply chain really made this unique fruit shine.
I'll refute a lot of what you have just stated. All fruit varieties were public domain up until the 1930s when the first laws were passed in various countries enabling people to copyright plant varieties they had created. This is wasn't possible to 'steal' the fruit varieties from China as there was no protection for it. China was also a stable country under the Qing dynasty until 1912, so wasn't war torn as described. People in NZ originally named them Chinese Gooseberries as they thought that the flavour resembled goosberries and they knew that it had originally come from China.
@InspectorGadget1976 yes. like a farmer in China could have any ways to copyright plant varieties back then. Language barriers are nothing ! Where do they go to register copyright plant varieties? Travel to Europe or America? Taiwan, Manchua all got colonised and enslaved by Japan. War lords were fighting among themselves. At least 4 million Chinese died in slavery working in manchuria under Japanese occupation. You think farmers in China could even know there s such thing as copyright When most Chinese are worried from foreign invasions? when most countries in the world were colonised by European powers, you think it s practical ? Even if one violates copyright, it means nothing back then as enforcement is nonexistent, let alone violations from European powers.
@@jackjhmc820 > Taiwan, Manchua all got colonised and enslaved by Japan. That was DECADES after 1904. So, please. As for the rest, you make some good points.
@benisrood thanks... but I think Taiwan was annexed before 1900? let's give 2 quotes from wiki: " The Treaty of Shimonoseki (1895), which ended the war, contained a provision that ceded Taiwan and the P'eng-hu Islands to Japan in perpetuity" As for manchuria, it was a japanese puppet state long before it was annexed. " From 1911 to 1931 Manchuria was nominally part of the Republic of China. In practice it was under Japan domination, which exerted influence through local warlords."
Them constantly calling them “kiwis” and not “Kiwifruit” is killing me. A kiwi is a bird or a person from New Zealand. Imagine if someone got a dragon fruit and just kept calling it a “dragon”.
@@TsLeng"chinese gooseberry" is what New Zelanders originally called it when it came to NZ till we renamed it a second time. Chinese people right now call it kiwifruit as well, the literal transalation, they say "kiwi-guo" (kiwi-fruit) and before that it used to be called "mihoutao" (monkey fruit). We've branded kiwifruit so well that the country of origin has adopted our word back into their language as well.
They’ve been selling those Zespri ones at my local supermarket. They are slightly larger than the regular green variety and the flavor was very similar but slightly more sweet. I prefer the green ones. I really see no reason why the golden ones would be much more expensive they aren’t better.
It's the marketing, when you protduct id hard to grow(Like this ones are, which is not mentioned in the video) you have to make them expensives anf say that they ahave high price because they are 'better' than the common ones.
I have never paid for Kiwifruit in my life, in my hometown the packhouses leave huge crates of rejected kiwifruit for anyone to take as much as they like!!!
I did try "golden" (kinda murky baby food colour, actually) ones: the only plus is they have less acid, so those allergic to usual kiwi-taste can eat them without feeling pain around lips. But *I prefer firmer green seedy flesh & hairy skin more.* Besides, it's BS golden ones lasts longer - they start to ferment much quicker than green kiwifruits, because they're much softer~
I'm having a hard time with the ethics here... 1) Grab Kiwis from China, grow them here = free... 2) Golden Kiwis evolve, Chinese take them back = Must pay... Thus, what must be paid for, is the work which was put in to the fruit to evolve it. Even if the actual people who did the work are no longer around. & the people growing the new kiwis didn't bring the seeds themselves. By that logic, shouldn't the descendants of slaves be given what their ancestors worked for to create? Logic & ethics can't make sense, only when it benefits one self, right?
People should violate the patents and copyrights and grow them without permission. Pirate gardens are the sweetest gardens. No one should ever be restricted from growing or selling something if they want.
They have a few others which have been less successful, such as kiwi berries, and red kiwis. They're always trying to develop new ones, but obviously it takes over a decade to get see the results.
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
I preferred the variety called "Hort 16a", a predecessor of "Sungold". Sadly, as it is told in this video, a disease killed Hort 16a. Compared with Hort 16a, the flesh of Sungold is stringy.
I just pick the kiwi that was in my kitchen and was worried by its color. Turns out it's gold kiwi! It's very tasty and really sweat! It even has the same sticker on it just like in the video. I added it to my oat meal, I recommend!
Same. I'm not allergic I don't think, but the green kiwis make my teeth hurt and tongue prickly. Kinda like fresh pineapple does. It's just to sour for me
@@Weedtrooperkiwi fruits and pineapples contain enzymes that break down proteins, that's what the tingly feeling is about with those two in particular ☺️
@@camerpaw Golden kiwi is still the same fruit though, no? So I should have some allergic reactions too but I don't which makes me think that it's not allergies.
I live on the east coast of America. I saw my first gold kiwis in the market this week. I rarely buy kiwis but these looked good - bigger, less hair, nice color - especially the box advertised "sweeter." I'm familiar with what fruit developers have done with the golden pineapples so I picked up a box of the golden kiwis. They're yummy! I'll be getting more. They cost twice regular kiwis. I don't care. They taste good.
@rasmust8044 Yeah, just wet the skin so it doesn't seem as hairy. The skin is sour so if you get a good skin to flesh ratio in each bite it's actually quite nice. I used to eat them like that at school all the time.
it's important to note that copyright law generally doesn't protect fruits themselves. Copyright primarily applies to original works of authorship fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Fruits are considered products of nature, so they don't meet the criteria for copyright protection.
it's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
@@sophronieloh don't worry. I'll write a strongly worded letter to insider business correcting them on their mistake. They made me quote the wrong name for the fruit!
I saw it in the grocery store in Japan selling for almost 300 yen per fruit. I was surprised it made it all the way over. Somewhat expensive, but an affordable luxury.
They hold in coolstorage for around 10 months, and usually get shipped in refrigerated containers unless going to Australia or nearby markets. Japan pays a premium for good fruit in display packaging of a larger size and taste factor and so they sell for more. - Japan typically have specialized fruit market and hold great value in fresh presentable produce.
I think smuggler did it right, no plant should be copyrighted! Even through wild fantasies of nature such breeds can pop up, what about then? You never know
Its pretty nice seeing New Zeland products becoming something similar to how Japan does their expensive fruits and bonsais. The Manuka Honey and Golden Kiwis having such a high standard that is (for the most part) upheld by the country as much as they can.
And that's why we can barely afford to buy our own lamb, and manuka honey that was cheap and plentiful until the late 90's is now outrageously expensive, and our bees are under threat
I worked on a farm in north Qld that had a massive orchard of golden kiwi they grew totally feral and most had to be removed. I spent months on electric coups cutting them out. And pruning and clipping down the rest. Had they been grown right the farmers would of made millions from them. But I don’t think it was the right environment for them hence why we had to remove them for passion fruit.
They make out that it's forbidden to grow Golden Kiwi but as far as I'm aware fruit copyrights extend only as far as on a sale basis, so if you grow them in your garden to feed your family & don't sell them as a company then there is nothing the Golden Kiwi brands owners can do! Who the Hell is going to stop you from buying a Golden Kiwi from the store, picking out the seeds & growing your own in your garden to eat so you don't have to buy them ever again? I'm sure it's labor intensive & they need to be micromanaged & won't be quite as pretty if the climate isn't quite right but nobody can stop you.
I got all excited when I heard they legally require a licence to grow, if it's legal to grow a few vines in my backyard then that takes all the fun out of it.
If you germinate the seed from a golden kiwi you won’t get a golden kiwi, it will revert back to the natural form of a green kiwi as the golden one is a hybrid. You need to graft a golden cutting onto a regular kiwi vine to attain a golden kiwifruit. Hence why Chinese growers were caught stealing plant material.
Mate hasn’t been paying attention to growers of different crops where the crop is required to be ripped out of the ground and the grower has to pay fines due to growing a copyrighted plant. Different countries may enforce to different levels, but yes, there are laws the world around concerning copyrighted plants.
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
@@sophronielOnly New Zealanders (and to some degree Aussies) call them kiwifruit. Everyone else in the world just calls them kiwis. Probably because they're not aware of the fact that New Zealanders are called kiwis and adding the word -fruit just seems unnecessary.
@@suzyocean7392 Also, we don't because we don't need to add the word fruit to something for it to have different meanings. Kiwis are also a bird. But we don't call them Kiwibirds.
In New Zealand we call it 'kiwi-fruit' as oppsed to 'kiwi' because all we imagine is you talking about our national bird 😂 especially in a sentence like "I love eating kiwi"
@@shred_hand_of_ulster the rest of the world not having it doesn’t change the name. The fruit is literally named after the bird. The bird was the original
@@rachelcookie321 I thought the original were the NZ people. The Chinese named the fruit, kiwi after them before breeding the bird by feeding chickens with the fruit, no?
Notice that Zespri is a collective, a co-op. A lot of NZ argiculture and other industries were run as co-ops back in the day. Some of the largest firms still are in a way, like Fonterra.
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
I wish they had of gone into the research side a bit more as people in the comments seem to get the impression from the video that there isn't much too it. Sometimes the right fruit comes easily (a neighbour I had years ago created the "Koru" brand of apples by throwing seeds in a corner of his garden) but the agricultural scientists here in NZ grow thousands of different plants each year and by a slow process it is whittled down in an attempt to find the new varieties, just about all fail in the end but it costs a huge amount of money and involves a lot of work. A new variety of apple takes around 15 years. The red Kiwifruit "RudyRed" is starting to take off but they have been trying for 20 + years to create red Kiwifruit.
I know, I know the manager of the kiwi development team and by brother registers the plant breeders rights and licenses growers to grow them for which royalties are paid to Plant and Food New Zealand
flavour varies according to soil and type of fertiliser - old school kiwis can be excessively sweet if you grow them a certain way = these ones can be bitter if you grow them a certain way = nothing STOPS you propagating them from seed = perfectly legal = ALSO plant breeder rights only last a few years
this video is misleading, Zespri did not develop this Golden variety and does not hold the plant breeders rights they developed by and the breeders rights are held by Plant and Food New Zealand. Zespri grows them under license for which they pay royalties
If I'm not mistaken, this Kiwifruit variety was in fact developed by the breeding program at Hort Research, and at the time was referred to as Hort 360....Zespri then acquired exclusive rights
It was always called "Chinese gooseberry" until the New Zealanders appropriated the fruit... and now they whine about China taking some mutated version of it back home. lol
@@lynth then call it "Chinese Gooseberry" if you feel so strongly about it. We named it "kiwi fruit" because it reminded us of the Kiwi, a bird we have.
what do you do with the blemish / or not perfect golden Kiwi? do you sell them to the locally or do you sell them at a discount? with the price of food going up so much i feel like it would be too much of a waist for food to just to discard and destroy that are not up to standard for the kiwi market when the fruits are still perfectly good to eat.
Kiwis are of course not originally from New Zealand but from China. I live in Italy which is by far the largest producer of kiwis. We buy our produce from local farmers and they grow golden kiwis. They cost nothing like you are talking about. And super delicious.
@@yanzhileitan they crossed the gene of two plants/fruits, silly, did you not listen a man from china was sued for millions for taking seeds of the golden fruit from nz to china 😒 you do realise most things are not from china but are smuggled to that country. Reason why in this doco they speak about how copyright to fruits is on a different scope.
Love golden kiwifruit! It’s really sweet. I’m also beginning to enjoy the red variant. It’s cheap here when in season. We can get them for as low as $1/kg.
I live in nz and although I've seen pictures of them online I've never seen one in the supermarket, where are you getting them from? Personally I like kiwi berries the best but they are super expensive
(edited to clarify) No better than Monsanto. Monsanto is known for copyrighting crops. They sell their seeds to farmers in developing countries, and if any of the seeds get windswept into a neighbor's yard the neighbor can get sued for "growing copyrighted crops." Not gonna buy these anymore, I'm really disappointed their business model is that predatory. :(
You can buy cuttings/plants of golden kiwi varieties. Just not this particular one. There are a handful out there though they're a huge pain in the ass to get a hold of. You must have a great climate for these if you managed to get one to grow from seed to fruit!
I’ve read somewhere (or simply compared the nutritional label on the box?) golden kiwis have more vitamin C per unit weight than green ones. So yeah, golden 🥝 is slightly more nutritious.
I am violently allergic to green kiwi, but golden kiwis (at least the zespri ones) don't bother me at all. NGL I miss green kiwis. I love the weird white core and crunchy seeds :(
I'm surprised the high nutrition profile of kiwis was not emphasized! Golden kiwis are tender - cut in half and eat with a spoon. Green kiwis are firmer and better for slicing. At least in my experience.
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
the thing they aren't mentioning is that if someone naturally breeds a golden kiwi themselves, they will still get wued by zespri for copyright violation even though the breed is natural and exists inside the green variety.
That's true. It's like you can draw Disney characters yourself in paint if you wish but it would still be copyright violation. Same with kiwis. Although food is something for which in my opinion copyright should be cancelled.
@@test-rj2vl a more apt description would be if Disney sued you for drawing fairy tale characters using the fairy tale stories that existed before Disney was even born and being sued by Disney for it.
This video is misleading, Zespri is not the license holder. Plant and Food New Zealand holds the Plant Breeders Rights. they are only grown by Zespri under license for which they pay royalties
"in 2010 disease nearly wiped out most of the country's kiwi orchards, causing nearly 900m dollars worth of damage, but one resisted the strain, zespri's sun gold" "It's illegal to grow this kiwi, zespri holds the copyright" hmm........ now wait a minute.
flavour varies according to soil and type of fertiliser - old school kiwis can be excessively sweet if you grow them a certain way = these ones can be bitter if you grow them a certain way = nothing STOPS you propagating them from seed = perfectly legal = ALSO plant breeder rights only last a few years
It's not even that they bred a kiwi resistant to infection and instead of sharing it with the world said let's sell it and copyright it so we can monopoly on it
Without copyrighting, a lot of innovations wouldn't be worth it and wouldn't exist in the first case. Besides, kiwi fruits are by far not necessary for a decent life.
Given the number of times the farmer stated they're a Premium fruit, I assume any fruits the don't pass Quality Control are composted rather than sold as second quality. Meanwhile, if they've found a way to copyright the strain, that would leave Zespa with exclusive rights for nearly a century, as opposed to the 20-30 years afforded by Plant Breeders Rights (although Surfinia™ trailing petunias are still apparently protected by PBRs despite having been developed in the late 1980s, so I wouldn't be surprised if MNP/Suntory produce slightly new varieties evry few years and discontinue older ones to effectively keep the PBR indefinitely).
We made the mistake of not protecting the Kiwi Fruit brand, so that growers outside NZ can sell their Chinese Gooseberries as Kiwi. We had to rebrand as Zespri, and develop our own strains to differentiate. We have a beautiful red Kiwifruit strain too. Now we protect our product fiercely.
the growers rights over the green kiwifruit world wide were lost due to a legal mistake. The golden kiwi is another issue the Plant Breeders Rights were done inhouse by my brother who was employed by Plant and Food New Zealand to establish their own legal department to do their own registering of Plant Breeders Rights
I wasn’t expecting part about false scarcity (only permitting X number of licenses per year and selling them for a super premium price) to be glossed over quite so quickly.
Exactly - the copyright is the whole reason it's expensive.
lyterali anything from this series can be shortened to : yea theres not much of it so thats why its expensive af
@@kalashydra9016yea, but most of them are expensive because there REALLY isn't much of it, there could be more of these but they don't allow it to keep the price up, just like diamonds, tons of diamonds are available but they're trickled out slowly over time to manipulate and maintain absurd prices, after we gained the technology to create diamonds many places passed laws that you had to be able to identify "fake" diamonds, you might think it's to prevent someone from selling you a diamond you believe is natural when it's actually man made, but it's not they have to be marked so they don't crash the value of natural diamonds.
@@kalashydra9016 or that it's made by hand but the person making it earns 5c per 200 items while the boss makes 5,000,000 a year
@@kalashydra9016 there's a difference between something being rare because it's difficult to make or grow, and something being rare simply because you reduce supply
I might be in the minority, but I actually prefer the green kiwi. It is less sweet and a bit more sour, which I enjoy. Not to mention the beautiful vibrant green is so much more enticing to me than the brownish mushy green of the “golden kiwi.”
What this video didn't say was that green kiwi is actually 70% more Vit C content than the golden one.
@@drewh3224Zespri has been claiming that the golden kiwi has double the vitamin c of green kiwi.
I agree 100%. I think the global sugar addiction is why every new fruit just has to be sweeter and sweeter.
A slightly unripe yellow kiwi is perfection though. A tangy sour outside with a sweet inside, and soft enough to easily scoop with a spoon
@@bosansekali898 According to Google (which references the USDA), 100g of green kiwis contain 92.7mg of Vitamin C and 100g of gold kiwis contain 105.4mg.
Honestly I think this video demonstrates so many problems we have with the supermarket produce industry. The whole thing is unsustainable.
People can defend their work, men of bugs
In which ways?
For starters, if anything we should be encouraging genetic variability. I think copyrighting fruit is crazy. Diseases can wipe out an entire industry because most of the fruit we get in the Supermarket are too genetically similar and vulnerable. Golden Kiwi's survived a disease that did just that in NZ, but only this company can grow them. I just think that is wild. I understand that they developed a certain process, but the Kiwi itself originated in China and they invented the original commercial and harvesting technique. Unless the Golden Kiwi crossbreeding process map was stolen out of a desk, it seems just as weird as China suing them for 'stealing' their fruit in the first place.
Generally, we have thousands of tonnes of waste every day for that perfect Supermarket apple. The growing, processing, and shipping alone generate a lot of waste. Fruit that are perfectly edible but just oddly sized or oddly shaped don't even make it off the farm. Even perfectly good fruit have to follow somewhat arbitrary regulations, and after some time there is little incentive for Grocery chains to do more than send them to a landfill after some time. @@Dartht33bagger.
It shouldn’t be possible to have a copyright or claim over any organic growth or type of food in the world. Should all be open source only
@@Dartht33bagger Oh wow. Only just noticed my reply to this was deleted. That's a bit wild.
You can grow golden kiwis, just not this particular variety. There are plenty of golden kiwi varieties out there, some of which are very occasionally available from various nurseries. That being said though, fuzzy kiwis can be a huge pain in the ass to grow because they basically _require_ a warm temperate oceanic climate (the hardiest cultivars can handle around -15 C but the yellow ones are known for being less hardy) as well as cross pollination. You're honestly best off trying hardy kiwis (Actinidia arguta) which are small, fuzzless, and have thin skin so super nice to eat, very sweet, and they grow like a weed in pretty much any temperate climate. These yellow ones are basically just pure marketing. You're not missing out on much.
It pisses me off to no end that people are comparing us in their heads to Americans by accusing us of running a scarcity scam. When did it become so normal in America to talk shit about people's countries and think nothing of it? A group of working class farmers band together to protect their crop and all of a sudden Americans automatically think "Soulless corporate entity!" and get abusive toward my country without even listening. Our plants were literally stolen in an act of espionage.
yep, prety much, overly pedantic engineered scarcity, with qc too high causing themt o be even mroe scarce and havign the sxcess un qc fruit needignto be not sold, vs allwoignthem to sell tehm as generic, and non quality/budget variety
@@any1alive Not only do you have no idea what you're talking about, you have no idea how to spell what you're taking about either.
@@any1alive Stroke?
apparently they're invasive in my part of the world??? this is fascinating- thanks for the info
I'm surprised they said they're smaller! In NZ the golden kiwis are always bigger and when in season, only $2.99/kg (or less). I've even seen them cheaper than potatoes this year, it's a surprise to see them small and expensive!
Yea there was a few weeks when they were dirt cheap but have gone back to like $6 a Kg now :( Still gonna buy them though :)
yess! got 6 the other day for $3.50 lol
Yeah it's quite odd they said the gold is smaller. Gold is bigger by a good margin. I've worked kiwifruit for almost 10 years, and gold is typically 30% bigger with an average weight of 200grams whereas green averages 140grams.
Did you not hear about the high cost of shipping it internationally? I eat this golden fruit and live on the other side of the planet.
@@Ryan25116 The golden ones I've seen in stores have always been smaller
One thing that was not mentioned is that kiwi plants aren't self-fertile, meaning you need a male and female plant to produce kiwi fruit. The vines and leaves are also very pretty, and at least for green kiwi plants, the vines and leaves are just as hair as the fruit so they feel very similar (and nice, if you like the soft prickly feeling) to the touch.
I have only one female g3 (gold kiwi like in the video) plant at my house with no males nearby, it still produces fruit every year
Term is dioecious flowers
@@tamatea_you probs have some sorta hybrid that produces both. Lucky you dioecious plants are weird in that sense. Sometimes they produce both flowers that also self polinate.
@claudekim7876 it's a g3 sungold like in the video, I grafted it myself so it's an exact copy and couldn't be a hybrid?
You need a male kiwi plant, and it woud have to also flower at the same time, so either someone has a male kiwi plant nearby OR you have a self-pollinating kiwi plant and should start propagating cuttings from the vine because you just solved the most annoying issue with producing kiwi fruit.
They're grown locally here in northern Kyushu, Japan and they're super common and not terribly expensive (and yes, they're labeled Zespri).
Well when you compare it to the price of a square watermelon or a perfect mango, yeah I bet it is cheap.
I live in nyc, you know, one of the most expensive cities in the world, and there actually pretty cheap here, only a little more expensive than the green one
Same they are also zespri
Wow, must be nice to be living in a climate where kiwis grow. New Zealand and Japan remind a lot about Norway, only semi-tropical instead of semi-arctic. Sitting and waiting for another brutal winter here.
@namegoeshere8458 did you see the one about the limes that the Jewish community gift to each other? $$$
About 25yrs ago i was a picker and pruner on some of the Tauranga kiwifruit orchards. Occasionally I'd come across a kiwifruit that had ripened on the vine and omg the flavour was incredible. They'd be worthy of being served up for dessert at the finest restaurants they were that nice.
Do you prune them down when they are younger, like Avocados, to get the fruit quicker?
@@chintz7428 I wouldn't think so. I know nothing about avocados, but with kiwifruit plants you prune according to whether they're grown on T-bars or pergola (pergola being the most preferred). Theres a central stem then lateral vines that spread out from the head.
After 4-5yrs of growth I always pruned them harshly, and they always sprang back again better than before. P.S. the scent of kiwifruit flowers in the spring is divine..
@@zeviono4562 nice thank you! I threw some in soil & have no idea what i'm doing. But I have a small greenhouse & indoor space for them.
I know a couple of people who used to work as researchers for the kiwifruit industry here in Aotearoa. One of them was involved in the creation of the red variety (honestly not that great imo) and told me that staff could be fined millions for talking about their work (I’m not sure if he was speaking figuratively or not - after watching this video I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true). A couple of years ago my other mate gave me a tour of research place they worked at and I remember thinking that the security was crazily tight for what was basically just a fancy orchard!
I’m not sure I agree with the ethics of copywriting a fruit especially when the financial benefits don’t seem to trickle down that well. Orchard jobs are hard work and they’re often taken by migrant workers who are easier to exploit.
re: ethics of copywriting a fruit - it gets even worse when you consider that the original plants were effectively stolen out of China (along with tea) at a time when Western nations had muscled their way into China through a series of wars and a prolonged drug-smuggling campaign. 😬 Good thing China weren't able to stop them doing so I guess?
chur bro
I quite like the red - a very different flavour profile - Green are best if you want to eat a few at a time - Gold is good is best as a one off ( ie gold is too sweet to eat 3 at a time for me - but I'm a granny smith person )
I know the plant breeders of this fruit and by brother is the one who is the legal specialist who registered ther copyright for Hort research now Plant and Food as well as licensed growers rights to Zespri to grown it for which they pay royalties to Plant and Food New Zealand
I work at Plant and Food Research and my colleague told me their partner brought some of the red kiwifruit home to eat before they were publicly known about. Hopefully they weren't risking a fine of millions!
I bought some of these today and I just ate one and I almost dropped the spoon. I have never had one of these and immediately typed it in on TH-cam and started watching this video. I cannot believe how amazing these kiwis are. They are hands down, the best fruit I have ever tried. I didn’t look at the price when I bought them but I wouldn’t care what the price is, it’s worth it
He’s absolutely right. Most Americans probably have no idea it’s a vine. I too thought it was a tree, until I grew one. Yep, it’s a vine lol
Kiwis are native to the US.
It is legally possible to grow the seeds from a Sun Gold kiwi and not get sued for it. That's because kiwi fruit needs to cross pollinate, meaning the seeds won't grow true to type, and thus they technically won't be a Sun Gold kiwi. You could grow and nurture the seedlings into mature plants and you won't know what sort of fruit you're going to get until you get fruit from your new vine to eat, which takes a few years when grown from seed. You could end up with a kiwi fruit that looks like a Sun Gold, but doesn't have the same disease resistance, or has green flesh, or isn't as sweet, or has thicker furry skin, or is larger. Or you could end up with a kiwi fruit that looks like a green one, but has yellow flesh, or is a bit sweeter, or has a better disease resistance, or has thinner smoother skin, or is smaller. There is an extremely small chance that you could also end up with a kiwi fruit that looks and tastes just like a Sun Gold, but the genetics will be just different enough to win a legal case if tested so long as it's not sold and marketed as being a Sun Gold, because it won't be a Sun Gold. So if you want to have a try at developing your own yellow kiwi fruit, grow from seed, and spend years waiting for them to grow, and then cross breed them yourself and wait some more years to see what you get from doing that, and eventually you'll develop a new variety of kiwi. That's one way to go about it. The other way is to be a genetic engineer with a laboratory and slice the kiwi genes you want together to create your own variety of fruit, which will still take years of growing to make sure you got what you wanted, and it will cost a lot of money, but it'll save a lot of time and greatly reduce the number of failures.
Similar to avocados. You could have an awesome avocado fruit. And a nasty tasting offspring grow from it.
thanks for the tip, will do!
Graft to mature vines and mature the seedlings in a shorter amount of time.
They will probably ask you for a paper work and if you can't provide it assume you pirated it and fine you. Court system is pay to win big cop would probably win even you you did it legally.
@@test-rj2vl But you could provide a shopping receipt for a green kiwi and say you grew it from those seeds. The onus would be on the copyright owner to prove your version is infringing, so they'd have to pay for the DNA test if they don't believe you because otherwise they wouldn't have any evidence you're infringing, and you can't win a court case without evidence.
I love how they bred the seeds out of it so you can grow your own this is the worst ideas I've ever seen they're gonna make it so we can't even provide for ourselves soon enough. Kiwis were fine and the yellow ones are no different. If you pay attention very closely a lot of fruits are losing their seeds as they "improve" them
Anything to please the lazy customers.....
They did the same to Banana's though, They would be inedible without the strain with no seeds
@@rutger8655 but who plucks kiwi seeds out? The whole zest of kiwi fruits is the crunchiness of seeds!
This has been happening with most commercial crops for a long time.
That is the point.
@@bentrallyi've eaten banana's with seeds super tasty!
Copyrighting plants is probably one of the most evil things corporations have ever done. I only grow plants under the OSSI (Open Seed Source Initiative) where they are uncopyrightable. Also I support stealing and growing "copyrighted" food. Power to the people!
golden kiwis are genetically modified by them and wont exist without them. its a product of years of research that started way back in the 1970s. No one wants to get their efforts copied and get nothing in return.
Many years and tons of work, and therefore MONEY, goes into creating those new variants. When it becomes successful, you just want to steal the result of their work and give them nothing in return? You are the evil and selfish one. Not them. You are not entitled to get their research for free. It's called an investment. They poured that initial money and research into a new product with the understanding that they can get that money back and make some profit. Otherwise it would not have been created in the first place. You can create your own new variant and then then YOU can give it away for free.
The copyrighted fruit doesn't occur naturally. Why should the farmer's cooperative have to share the production of it after they spent sums of money to breed and create the fruit. If you don't want to pay for the ability to use it, then breed your own variety. Or is that too difficult and expensive to do?
@@danielpolandmost, if not all modern fruits and vegetables, are created through hybridization/breeding. When is the last time you payed for growing a zucchini? Cause Italy created the current breed you buy.
Power to the PEOPLE!!! LETS GET IT, DOWN WITH THE CORPORATE THIEVES!!
I've tried a kiwi for the first time almost a decade ago and it was a golden kiwi. I just happen to be at the super market and I saw them in their plastic clams and they look really good and it was on sale. So I bought one and WOW it was juicy, sweet and a little tangy. I don't see them at the supermarket much since they have to be shipped in but I keep an eye out for them. So far I've only was able to buy 3 times in so many years.
Lol, i have so many some go rotten😂
@@nikita-fm7ij Vid might have mention they make perfect gifts to friends and family. 😋
Meh i had it and was unimpressed. Green kiwi ftw
If you have a Costco in your area, they usually carry them!
@@stevenlamfit LoL Are you insane?!? I'm not paying $80 for a membership just to buy some Kiwi!!!
Red Kiwifruit will soon be available in some countries, as Zespri are now exporting them as their newest variety. It is called Zespri RubyRed.
How do you know that!?
They’re not that nice, definitely not as good as the gold imo.
@@StanHowseyou can buy them in new Zealand already 👍
I bought one box all excited but was disappointed, my least favourite of the three. Maybe they haven't figured out how to grow them yet like the first few years of the golden kiwifruit
Red has been around probably 4 years now although not available everywhere
Here in New Zealand, we call them kiwifruit, and the bird is just called a kiwi.
what about the people?
@@shred_hand_of_ulster We call ourselves Kiwis, after our national bird.
"Kiwi" (bird)
"Kiwi" (people)
"kiwifruit" or "Chinese gooseberry" (fruit)@@shred_hand_of_ulster
Keighwey frout
I prefer the bird to the fruit.
I love this kiwi. Just shoved 4 into my face this morning. The quality control on this is worth every penny. I want an endless supply. I put the green kiwis in my kale smoothies. Stay golden, little one.
*kiwiFRUIT
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
@@sophroniel Kiwi
I talked about Kiwis with my two kids and found out they'd never tried it, so I went to the store and got some. First thing I noticed was the lack of "hairs" on the exterior and when I opened them up they weren't green inside and lacked the sour taste so it must've been these. Kind of reminded me of a really juicy pear 🍐
It’s so unsettling as a New Zealander hearing people call the fruit kiwis, since we have a native bird called kiwi
People who are allergic to the green kiwi fruit can often eat the yellow ones. Up to 25% of kids are allergic to green kiwi, although it’s generally mild (gas, runny nose, hay fever like symptoms, mild rash, etc). The green ones make me violently ill, but the yellow ones are fine.
@@normalpie7577then again it was your fellow New Zealanders who named the fruit the kiwi after seeing its resemblance to the bird.
These things used to be called Chinese gooseberries.
@@Moonstone-Redux marketing I guess, sales would be down especially in the US if it had Chinese in the name 😂
@@normalpie7577 For good reason. Many people don't like communist countries that don't respect a company's intellectual property and also artificially devalue their currency to take advantage of other countries. But keep your head in the sand... 🤣
0:03: Golden kiwis are sweeter and softer than green kiwis, but cost almost twice as much.
0:37: Some golden kiwis have been smuggled out of New Zealand and sold for high prices.
1:43: The labor-intensive process of harvesting golden kiwis drives up costs.
6:52: Golden-kiwi orchards require more hands-on work and larger trees compared to green-kiwi orchards.
7:34: Thinning out the vines by hand allows for the production of perfectly sweet golden kiwis.
8:01: Many people overseas are unaware that kiwifruits grow on vines, not trees.
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As a New Zealander, prices are just high we are used to it now. Inflation hasn’t dropped ln for over 2 years now.
What’s the current inflation rate?
@@NMITNMIT been at 6% since start of the year cash rates stuck at 5%. Average floating rates are 8% interest rates. Our inflation rate amount Asia pacific hasn’t dropped which majority other have. Nothing compared to South America and Africa but it’s bad for our region.
What’s the Golden kiwi 🥝 price per piece in New Zealand?
In Berlin, Germany it’s 1€ per piece for golden one and 0.67€ for the green ones. Golden one was my favourite, but now I know why and where it came from!
@@shubhammishra-cu7iq prices vary a KG is about $5NZD, we export a lot of goods as our economy is a major exporter less of an importer, like mutton and beef, it's actually cheaper in the EU than it is here. China gets a lot of goods from us.
Wow, that’s very good price, I can see easily gulp and munch loudly and still digest a kilogram by myself 😋
I've had gold kiwi here in Canada and it's terribly sweet. I'd take the green ones over gold any day. But even that doesn't taste nearly as good as the green kiwi we had back home in Iran.
It may not have been a Hayward Green (HW), which is the predominant green variety, but the Sweet Green variety (G14). That variety requires a license to grow, has difficult cool-store storage and very low yields and is susceptible to PSA. It is still in production in limited grower numbers but it really has been uneconomic to produce with the advent of Sungold (G3). There are also two gold varieties, the Sungold and the much sweeter Charm variety (G9).
These are literally my FAVORITE fruit!!! It's basically candy from a tree.
vine not a tree 😀
Golden kiwis are so delicious! Once I tried them, I never bought a green one again. I never realized how much effort it takes to grow this strain, so definitely buying the ones from New Zealand!
9:52 Thanks for the info, very glad to hear that the "illegal" orchards have more than doubled. That is amazing.
Kiwi's are easily in the top 5 greatest fruits of all time! 🥝🙌🏽
it depends where you're in the world and the climate you're in, the greatest varity in tropics however most of them cannot be exported you have to eat them fresh
*kiwiFRUIT
Kiwis are birds, not fruit! Kiwifruit is a fruit!
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
the word kiwi can have three meanings
the kiwi bird, people from new zealand which are nicknamed "kwis" and the kiwi fruit
remember new Zealand tissue culture is a thing you can't stop people from growing a plant that they really want to grow
Interesting video, thanks a lot. My family has been growing these fruits for years in China. Kiwis were named by new zealanders as how they resemble kiwi birds. From where I grew up, they were enjoyed by Macaques （猕猴），thus they were named as Macaques peaches (猕猴桃）. One thing was wrong in this video - it was not called gooseberry in china at all. Mary Isabel Fraser, the principal of Wanganui Girls’ College described them as gooseberries and brought them to NZ in 1904. Rumors said it was also illegal but back then war-torn China was not able to copyright anything.
We have many varieties of tasty and balanced-taste fruits available from my family farm, but hey I also enjoy this strain Zespri developed, the best part of global supply chain really made this unique fruit shine.
I'll refute a lot of what you have just stated. All fruit varieties were public domain up until the 1930s when the first laws were passed in various countries enabling people to copyright plant varieties they had created. This is wasn't possible to 'steal' the fruit varieties from China as there was no protection for it. China was also a stable country under the Qing dynasty until 1912, so wasn't war torn as described. People in NZ originally named them Chinese Gooseberries as they thought that the flavour resembled goosberries and they knew that it had originally come from China.
@InspectorGadget1976 yes. like a farmer in China could have any ways to copyright plant varieties back then. Language barriers are nothing !
Where do they go to register copyright plant varieties? Travel to Europe or America?
Taiwan, Manchua all got colonised and enslaved by Japan. War lords were fighting among themselves. At least 4 million Chinese died in slavery working in manchuria under Japanese occupation.
You think farmers in China could even know there s such thing as copyright When most Chinese are worried from foreign invasions? when most countries in the world were colonised by European powers, you think it s practical ? Even if one violates copyright, it means nothing back then as enforcement is nonexistent, let alone violations from European powers.
Very cool, Jerry!
@@jackjhmc820 > Taiwan, Manchua all got colonised and enslaved by Japan.
That was DECADES after 1904. So, please. As for the rest, you make some good points.
@benisrood thanks... but I think Taiwan was annexed before 1900? let's give 2 quotes from wiki: " The Treaty of Shimonoseki (1895), which ended the war, contained a provision that ceded Taiwan and the P'eng-hu Islands to Japan in perpetuity"
As for manchuria, it was a japanese puppet state long before it was annexed. " From 1911 to 1931 Manchuria was nominally part of the Republic of China. In practice it was under Japan domination, which exerted influence through local warlords."
Them constantly calling them “kiwis” and not “Kiwifruit” is killing me. A kiwi is a bird or a person from New Zealand. Imagine if someone got a dragon fruit and just kept calling it a “dragon”.
It's actually Chinese gooseberry. So it's even worse
@@TsLeng Kiwifruit and chin3se gooseberry are both names for it.
@@TsLeng"chinese gooseberry" is what New Zelanders originally called it when it came to NZ till we renamed it a second time.
Chinese people right now call it kiwifruit as well, the literal transalation, they say "kiwi-guo" (kiwi-fruit) and before that it used to be called "mihoutao" (monkey fruit).
We've branded kiwifruit so well that the country of origin has adopted our word back into their language as well.
@@Ashley24306 and a Kiwifruit is literally called a Kiwifruit. A Kiwifruit is named after a kiwi like a dragonfruit is named after a dragon.
@@Ashley24306 calling a kiwifruit a kiwi is dumb
They’ve been selling those Zespri ones at my local supermarket. They are slightly larger than the regular green variety and the flavor was very similar but slightly more sweet. I prefer the green ones. I really see no reason why the golden ones would be much more expensive they aren’t better.
It's the marketing, when you protduct id hard to grow(Like this ones are, which is not mentioned in the video) you have to make them expensives anf say that they ahave high price because they are 'better' than the common ones.
I have never paid for Kiwifruit in my life, in my hometown the packhouses leave huge crates of rejected kiwifruit for anyone to take as much as they like!!!
These golden kiwis are delicious. Fascinating to see the mechanism behind their production.
They really are the best kiwis. Anytime I see them in the grocery store I always buy them.
10:50 Myanmar isn't next to Vietnam, it's next to Thailand which doesn't share a land border with Vietnam either.
I’m completely strung out on Zespri Sungold kiwi fruit! There amazing!
I did try "golden" (kinda murky baby food colour, actually) ones: the only plus is they have less acid, so those allergic to usual kiwi-taste can eat them without feeling pain around lips. But *I prefer firmer green seedy flesh & hairy skin more.* Besides, it's BS golden ones lasts longer - they start to ferment much quicker than green kiwifruits, because they're much softer~
Never had a golden kiwi but i've never found the green ones to be hard, or bland...
They solved a problem that was never there.
I'm having a hard time with the ethics here... 1) Grab Kiwis from China, grow them here = free... 2) Golden Kiwis evolve, Chinese take them back = Must pay...
Thus, what must be paid for, is the work which was put in to the fruit to evolve it. Even if the actual people who did the work are no longer around. & the people growing the new kiwis didn't bring the seeds themselves.
By that logic, shouldn't the descendants of slaves be given what their ancestors worked for to create?
Logic & ethics can't make sense, only when it benefits one self, right?
Literally enjoying a Zespri sungold kiwi in a tiny remote community on Canada’s west coast… nice reach New Zealand.
People should violate the patents and copyrights and grow them without permission. Pirate gardens are the sweetest gardens. No one should ever be restricted from growing or selling something if they want.
Not super expensive in AUS but it is a premium fruit. P.S the skin is the best part
You don’t know what chemicals they spray on the skin
@@best9629 do you?
Love the skin, it gives a crunchy texture to the fruit
@@best9629that's why you're suppose to wash your fruit and vegetables before consuming them.
@@unfazedmonkey874you're dense.
They have a few others which have been less successful, such as kiwi berries, and red kiwis. They're always trying to develop new ones, but obviously it takes over a decade to get see the results.
I've been eating gold kiwis for a while now, and absolutely love them over their more mushy and fuzzy brethren
*kiwiFRUIT
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
@@sophronielchill out, it’s just a fruit
I was eating one of their golden kiwis while watching the video. Thank you Kiwi’s for making fantastic Kiwis!
We have golden kiwis all over NZ and they just taste SO GOOD!!
I preferred the variety called "Hort 16a", a predecessor of "Sungold". Sadly, as it is told in this video, a disease killed Hort 16a. Compared with Hort 16a, the flesh of Sungold is stringy.
I just pick the kiwi that was in my kitchen and was worried by its color. Turns out it's gold kiwi! It's very tasty and really sweat! It even has the same sticker on it just like in the video. I added it to my oat meal, I recommend!
Love golden kiwis. For some reason, they don't set off my allergies as much as green kiwis do.
Same. I'm not allergic I don't think, but the green kiwis make my teeth hurt and tongue prickly. Kinda like fresh pineapple does.
It's just to sour for me
@@_Obey_ I have bad news for you
@@_Obey_tingly mouth when eating fruit = allergic reaction
@@Weedtrooperkiwi fruits and pineapples contain enzymes that break down proteins, that's what the tingly feeling is about with those two in particular ☺️
@@camerpaw Golden kiwi is still the same fruit though, no? So I should have some allergic reactions too but I don't which makes me think that it's not allergies.
I live on the east coast of America. I saw my first gold kiwis in the market this week. I rarely buy kiwis but these looked good - bigger, less hair, nice color - especially the box advertised "sweeter." I'm familiar with what fruit developers have done with the golden pineapples so I picked up a box of the golden kiwis. They're yummy! I'll be getting more. They cost twice regular kiwis. I don't care. They taste good.
you can eat the skins too
@@Bosstastical - No thanks.
@@Bosstasticalyou can eat the skin on normal kiwis too, it is a bit unusual at first but it honestly is not to bad
@rasmust8044 Yeah, just wet the skin so it doesn't seem as hairy. The skin is sour so if you get a good skin to flesh ratio in each bite it's actually quite nice. I used to eat them like that at school all the time.
golden kiwi skins are nice. Its like apple skin. Not so thick it ruins the texture@@rubiks6
it's important to note that copyright law generally doesn't protect fruits themselves. Copyright primarily applies to original works of authorship fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Fruits are considered products of nature, so they don't meet the criteria for copyright protection.
Tl:dr "Why New Zealand's Golden Kiwis Are So Expensive"
A single company holds the copyright to the fruit and holds a monopoly! Easy.
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it's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
@@sophronieloh don't worry. I'll write a strongly worded letter to insider business correcting them on their mistake. They made me quote the wrong name for the fruit!
I've had them before. They taste lovely! Very good
I saw it in the grocery store in Japan selling for almost 300 yen per fruit. I was surprised it made it all the way over. Somewhat expensive, but an affordable luxury.
Wow! It's closer to 0.80c NZD/70 JPY here in New Zealand. But they are a nice treat.
They hold in coolstorage for around 10 months, and usually get shipped in refrigerated containers unless going to Australia or nearby markets.
Japan pays a premium for good fruit in display packaging of a larger size and taste factor and so they sell for more. - Japan typically have specialized fruit market and hold great value in fresh presentable produce.
I think smuggler did it right, no plant should be copyrighted! Even through wild fantasies of nature such breeds can pop up, what about then? You never know
Its pretty nice seeing New Zeland products becoming something similar to how Japan does their expensive fruits and bonsais. The Manuka Honey and Golden Kiwis having such a high standard that is (for the most part) upheld by the country as much as they can.
Too bad limiting supply
Export costs are too high
Costly fruit
@@toolbaggers If you want the top flavours, that is the cost.
If you start tampering for costs, it will not be the fruit you liked anymore.
And that's why we can barely afford to buy our own lamb, and manuka honey that was cheap and plentiful until the late 90's is now outrageously expensive, and our bees are under threat
I worked on a farm in north Qld that had a massive orchard of golden kiwi they grew totally feral and most had to be removed. I spent months on electric coups cutting them out. And pruning and clipping down the rest. Had they been grown right the farmers would of made millions from them. But I don’t think it was the right environment for them hence why we had to remove them for passion fruit.
Same thing happens here to a smaller degree in NZ aswell. If you let them grow wild, they will go nuts and cover entire trees lol
@@BuenavistaNZ Like plucking money from trees.
They make out that it's forbidden to grow Golden Kiwi but as far as I'm aware fruit copyrights extend only as far as on a sale basis, so if you grow them in your garden to feed your family & don't sell them as a company then there is nothing the Golden Kiwi brands owners can do!
Who the Hell is going to stop you from buying a Golden Kiwi from the store, picking out the seeds & growing your own in your garden to eat so you don't have to buy them ever again?
I'm sure it's labor intensive & they need to be micromanaged & won't be quite as pretty if the climate isn't quite right but nobody can stop you.
I got all excited when I heard they legally require a licence to grow, if it's legal to grow a few vines in my backyard then that takes all the fun out of it.
If you germinate the seed from a golden kiwi you won’t get a golden kiwi, it will revert back to the natural form of a green kiwi as the golden one is a hybrid. You need to graft a golden cutting onto a regular kiwi vine to attain a golden kiwifruit. Hence why Chinese growers were caught stealing plant material.
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Mate hasn’t been paying attention to growers of different crops where the crop is required to be ripped out of the ground and the grower has to pay fines due to growing a copyrighted plant.
Different countries may enforce to different levels, but yes, there are laws the world around concerning copyrighted plants.
@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
I bought Gold Kiwis for like 5 dollars at my local store, very tasty, would 100% recommend 👍
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@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
@@sophronielOnly New Zealanders (and to some degree Aussies) call them kiwifruit. Everyone else in the world just calls them kiwis. Probably because they're not aware of the fact that New Zealanders are called kiwis and adding the word -fruit just seems unnecessary.
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Also, we don't because we don't need to add the word fruit to something for it to have different meanings.
Kiwis are also a bird. But we don't call them Kiwibirds.
@@sophroniel You are absolutely unhinged, kiwi lady.
In New Zealand we call it 'kiwi-fruit' as oppsed to 'kiwi' because all we imagine is you talking about our national bird 😂 especially in a sentence like "I love eating kiwi"
The voice over constantly calling them kiwis was killing me.
@@rachelcookie321 ah well. The rest of the world doesn't have the bird so it can be kiwi-bird and the fruit can be kiwi 😎
@@shred_hand_of_ulster the rest of the world not having it doesn’t change the name. The fruit is literally named after the bird. The bird was the original
@@rachelcookie321 I thought the original were the NZ people. The Chinese named the fruit, kiwi after them before breeding the bird by feeding chickens with the fruit, no?
@@rachelcookie321 Same here
Notice that Zespri is a collective, a co-op. A lot of NZ argiculture and other industries were run as co-ops back in the day. Some of the largest firms still are in a way, like Fonterra.
It's basically a cartel with this copyrighting fruit nonsense.
I got hooked on the golden kiwis (I hated the green ones and would not eat them), but they have not been available locally for at least a year now :/
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@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
@@sophronielwtf are u on in every comment
@@sophroniel I will continue calling them kiwis. :)
I wish they had of gone into the research side a bit more as people in the comments seem to get the impression from the video that there isn't much too it. Sometimes the right fruit comes easily (a neighbour I had years ago created the "Koru" brand of apples by throwing seeds in a corner of his garden) but the agricultural scientists here in NZ grow thousands of different plants each year and by a slow process it is whittled down in an attempt to find the new varieties, just about all fail in the end but it costs a huge amount of money and involves a lot of work. A new variety of apple takes around 15 years. The red Kiwifruit "RudyRed" is starting to take off but they have been trying for 20 + years to create red Kiwifruit.
I know, I know the manager of the kiwi development team and by brother registers the plant breeders rights and licenses growers to grow them for which royalties are paid to Plant and Food New Zealand
flavour varies according to soil and type of fertiliser - old school kiwis can be excessively sweet if you grow them a certain way = these ones can be bitter if you grow them a certain way = nothing STOPS you propagating them from seed = perfectly legal = ALSO plant breeder rights only last a few years
I really think we should think about copyrighting food. Let’s just think about what Monsanto has done. Even if it is a collective I’m suspect
this video is misleading, Zespri did not develop this Golden variety and does not hold the plant breeders rights they developed by and the breeders rights are held by Plant and Food New Zealand. Zespri grows them under license for which they pay royalties
If I'm not mistaken, this Kiwifruit variety was in fact developed by the breeding program at Hort Research, and at the time was referred to as Hort 360....Zespri then acquired exclusive rights
Now they are producing one so called "red kiwi", has a strawbery hint and sweeter than his famous brother golden boy. I loved it
I'm amazed to see so much effort and care for the kiwi I enjoy the most. all the way here in Guatemala ♥️
I was at the Philly Zoo last month and they had a vendor there giving them out for free by the handful. First time trying them and they were amazing.
Talking about these individually as a ‘Kiwi’ is like calling a single Passionfruit a ‘Passion’ 😂
It was always called "Chinese gooseberry" until the New Zealanders appropriated the fruit... and now they whine about China taking some mutated version of it back home. lol
@@lynth then call it "Chinese Gooseberry" if you feel so strongly about it. We named it "kiwi fruit" because it reminded us of the Kiwi, a bird we have.
what do you do with the blemish / or not perfect golden Kiwi? do you sell them to the locally or do you sell them at a discount? with the price of food going up so much i feel like it would be too much of a waist for food to just to discard and destroy that are not up to standard for the kiwi market when the fruits are still perfectly good to eat.
Probably the best fruit i've tasted. Worth every extra cent
Kiwis are of course not originally from New Zealand but from China. I live in Italy which is by far the largest producer of kiwis. We buy our produce from local farmers and they grow golden kiwis. They cost nothing like you are talking about. And super delicious.
Nice to know, but they speaking about the strand of golden kiwifruit which originated from New Zealand then smuggled into china
@@kwazimokavaSo how did they get the fruit in the first place? They stole it from China.
@@yanzhileitan they crossed the gene of two plants/fruits, silly, did you not listen a man from china was sued for millions for taking seeds of the golden fruit from nz to china 😒 you do realise most things are not from china but are smuggled to that country. Reason why in this doco they speak about how copyright to fruits is on a different scope.
@@yanzhileitanChinese immigrants brought them over to the country. NZ just figured out how to make them marketable.
@@kwazimokava most people have no idea golden kiwifruit in China are biggest and sweeter
Love golden kiwifruit! It’s really sweet. I’m also beginning to enjoy the red variant. It’s cheap here when in season. We can get them for as low as $1/kg.
Red kiwifruit is usually around $14-16 /kg when in season
Here is where?
@@babyfox205 New Zealand
I live in nz and although I've seen pictures of them online I've never seen one in the supermarket, where are you getting them from? Personally I like kiwi berries the best but they are super expensive
@resolecca You only see them for a short time in nz, maybe for a month in supermarkets.
I have never eaten a more delicious fruit in all my life!!! I will pay what ever the shop wants for them.. They are my favourite! ❤
I’d say the opposite. They’re overrated fruit. The taste is “monotonous”, no depth.
(edited to clarify) No better than Monsanto. Monsanto is known for copyrighting crops. They sell their seeds to farmers in developing countries, and if any of the seeds get windswept into a neighbor's yard the neighbor can get sued for "growing copyrighted crops." Not gonna buy these anymore, I'm really disappointed their business model is that predatory. :(
Good kiwis are the best thing to ever eat, New Zealand does an amazing job with this.
i remember planting a golden kiwi seed and it grew but the kiwis were not golden they were a light/dark green color. and tasted like normal kiwis
You will only get gold kiwifruit from a tree that was taken from a cutting from the original gold kiwi plant.
You can buy cuttings/plants of golden kiwi varieties. Just not this particular one. There are a handful out there though they're a huge pain in the ass to get a hold of. You must have a great climate for these if you managed to get one to grow from seed to fruit!
Who gave away our fruit rights to corporations? This is ridicules....
Copywriting fruits is just another step to hell
I’m wondering about the nutritional aspect of the goldens, if they are as healthy as the greens?
I’ve read somewhere (or simply compared the nutritional label on the box?) golden kiwis have more vitamin C per unit weight than green ones. So yeah, golden 🥝 is slightly more nutritious.
I am violently allergic to green kiwi, but golden kiwis (at least the zespri ones) don't bother me at all. NGL I miss green kiwis. I love the weird white core and crunchy seeds :(
I'm surprised the high nutrition profile of kiwis was not emphasized! Golden kiwis are tender - cut in half and eat with a spoon. Green kiwis are firmer and better for slicing. At least in my experience.
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@@sophronielit's basically only called kiwifruit in New Zealand, so that's not really a correction since basically the rest of the world calls them kiwi either is correct.
Better eaten like an apple
@@sophroniel Calm down, it's just a name and it's the internet, people can call them what they want.
Most underrated little gift 🥝
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the thing they aren't mentioning is that if someone naturally breeds a golden kiwi themselves, they will still get wued by zespri for copyright violation even though the breed is natural and exists inside the green variety.
That's true. It's like you can draw Disney characters yourself in paint if you wish but it would still be copyright violation. Same with kiwis. Although food is something for which in my opinion copyright should be cancelled.
@@test-rj2vl a more apt description would be if Disney sued you for drawing fairy tale characters using the fairy tale stories that existed before Disney was even born and being sued by Disney for it.
This video is misleading, Zespri is not the license holder. Plant and Food New Zealand holds the Plant Breeders Rights. they are only grown by Zespri under license for which they pay royalties
"in 2010 disease nearly wiped out most of the country's kiwi orchards, causing nearly 900m dollars worth of damage, but one resisted the strain, zespri's sun gold"
"It's illegal to grow this kiwi, zespri holds the copyright"
hmm........ now wait a minute.
I love it when a certain strain of a plant is copyrighted
flavour varies according to soil and type of fertiliser - old school kiwis can be excessively sweet if you grow them a certain way = these ones can be bitter if you grow them a certain way = nothing STOPS you propagating them from seed = perfectly legal = ALSO plant breeder rights only last a few years
Greed. The answer is greed. Zespri is a BILLION dollar company
it's a conglomerate of small farmers. idiot. and call it a kiwiFRUIT, a kiwi is our treasured native bird
Copyrighting food is so unethical and anti-human, here's to hoping the thieves get away with it more! Go thieves woo!
It's not even that they bred a kiwi resistant to infection and instead of sharing it with the world said let's sell it and copyright it so we can monopoly on it
Without copyrighting, a lot of innovations wouldn't be worth it and wouldn't exist in the first case. Besides, kiwi fruits are by far not necessary for a decent life.
Ok, thanks, I was not aware there was some fascist monopoly company behind these fruit. Now I will pay attention not to buy them.
Given the number of times the farmer stated they're a Premium fruit, I assume any fruits the don't pass Quality Control are composted rather than sold as second quality.
Meanwhile, if they've found a way to copyright the strain, that would leave Zespa with exclusive rights for nearly a century, as opposed to the 20-30 years afforded by Plant Breeders Rights (although Surfinia™ trailing petunias are still apparently protected by PBRs despite having been developed in the late 1980s, so I wouldn't be surprised if MNP/Suntory produce slightly new varieties evry few years and discontinue older ones to effectively keep the PBR indefinitely).
Copyright or Trademark?
I thought Copyright was for literary works. It doest make sense to me how you can Copyright a fruit
mm golden kiwi mmmm
Vous avez ça magasin en France ?
PLEASE call it a kiwiFRUIT, a kiwi is our treasured native bird
We made the mistake of not protecting the Kiwi Fruit brand, so that growers outside NZ can sell their Chinese Gooseberries as Kiwi. We had to rebrand as Zespri, and develop our own strains to differentiate. We have a beautiful red Kiwifruit strain too. Now we protect our product fiercely.
the growers rights over the green kiwifruit world wide were lost due to a legal mistake. The golden kiwi is another issue the Plant Breeders Rights were done inhouse by my brother who was employed by Plant and Food New Zealand to establish their own legal department to do their own registering of Plant Breeders Rights
Is anyone else disgusted by the business model?
Of course! Will that stop me from growing it privately? No!
Copyrights on crops need to be abolished.
'They are twice as expensive are regular kiwi" So instead of 50 cent they are 1 dollar? SO expensive.
Species of plant: exists
Humans: that's my intellectual property
After watching this vid, feeling like some gold kiwifruit right now. Hoping they are still in stock 🤞🏼
I wonder if there is a way to get the ones with blemishes for cheaper.
If you don't mind them going super soft those kiwifruit will actually last for months in a fridge and will taste exactly the same
Never had a golden kiwi, but I love green kiwi fruit.