Comment section is full with anti-pathy to caste question within Bengal.... this is demonstratable evidence how bengali upper/middle/ chattering class still remains exclusive preserve of upper castes ... They will feign that there is no casteism , because , ofc , they don't suffer from discrimination & deprivation
If you think you suffer from caste discrimination, then convert to any other religion muslim, buddism, christian, jainism, sikhism... No need to remain in hindu religion. Any reservation if needed must be only on the basis of income and wealth criteria only, anything else is nonsense.
@@Indian_Plato When I said , it is Me ?? And when I said it is about reservations? I have made an objective point about Discrimination & Deprivation in Bengal...it will take lot of lot of lot of things to dismantle this inequality in addition to Conversion & Reservations ( whether income-based & caste-based) Conversion & Reservations are minimal solutions that is already existing .... Need much more than that .... that is what the discussion is all about ...
bhalo alochona kintu amar mote reservation 30-35% beshi howa uchit noi ar reservationer khetre financial background ti check kora uchit ar sorkarer obyabostha o durniti r birrudhe kotha bola uchit!
Ami leftist ebong onek topic e ekmot na hoyeo bolchi ei dhoroner alochona onek chai…discussion like this would enrich all of us…unfortunately this kind of content doesn’t reach to the mass …I don’t know why ..
Utter wastage of time. Due to caste not being a question, there has been no caste animosity in Bengal. He's been involved in this for so long that caste has been etched into his brain. But he has to understand that class triumphs caste. The caste issue will be solved the day India starts industrializing. In an industrialized society there'd be no possibility to live in caste/creed ghettos which results in isolation of others and breeds hatred. People from all backgrounds deserve decent wages and good government services which the state is unable to provide. The Indian people want addressing of that issue. Only the rotten burgeiosie attempt to divert the focus away from that.
"People from all backgrounds deserves good governance & wages".... but upper castes bengali due to unempteen social capital ( & capture of governmental power by them )do not need good governance to thrive ... Those from lower rung of caste ladder suffers from deprivation ( if not outright discrimination)due to structural casteism... And I do not believe naive theory of Bengal is free from caste-violence /animosity .. in UP , Rajsthan, MP , ugly caste-violence is due to the fact that lower castes are upwardly mobile , so they come in conflict with upper castes ... the day bengali lower caste will become upwardly mobile, then caste violence will spread the Bengal... Bengal lives in extreme segregation..& segregation limits violence/apparent animosity...& when this segregation will collapse due to economic prosperity, violence will emerge in Bengal ( this is counter-intuitive but this is the case of caste violence in UP & Rajsthan; prosperity of lower castes invites more violence against them ) And for industrialisation , casteism of Bengal has soiled its primitive capital accumulation, so industrialisation is many many many miles away.
@@pratapmandal1046 just because your standards are low doesn't mean people from a specific caste are thriving. Teenagers from all district towns have to migrate to kolkata or out of Bengal to get a decent higher education/job opportunity. Even the graduates from Kolkata have to leave the state. People from all castes connected with the ruling elites make us feel that we are the 2nd class citizens. You cannot see all that because you're a blind follower, the best canon fodder for self serving professors or politicians.
@@shoumoD Basic axiom of migration " prosperity & poverty both leads to outmigration".... Progeny of mainly uppercastes professional class migrating due to pull factors & progeny of mainly lower caste labouring class migrating due to push factors... And governmental power in Bengal is still monopoly of Upper caste networks.. And any future Industrial development & prosperity will induce caste violence in Bengal, simply segregation will collapse & head to head conflict will emerge as it is happening in Maharastra , Rajsthan & even in Tamil Nadu where dominant castes oppresses upwardly mobile dalits
@@shoumoD Will you marry someone from outside your caste? Before you let your cannonballs lose on me like you do on Mr Mandal, let me tell you I’m from the general caste and bagged a seat at an all-India institution based on an all India exam so don’t even try to talk about my ‘class’. You are simply living in an utopian la la land, if industrialization was the answer ,caste would’ve evaporated from Bombay or Ahmedabad now (cooton and textile mills) and Bangalore due to the electronics and IT industry (from 90s onwards). Unless the back of Brahman -Baidya- Kayastha hegemony is broken , the dire poverty and deprivation of the masses in Bengal would never go. And the change must begin at the top , that is the political leadership and higher judiciary (Calcutta High Court).
Ha, Ja, Ba, Ra, La, chilo rumal, hoyejalo beral.. In the name of Gramsci, fantastic incoherent mumbo, jumbo, subaltern caste nonsense. Any reservation if needed must be only on the basis of income and wealth criteria only, materially nothing else matters.
Haa...But Religions niye Secular chhilo maane Hindu r baaje r other communities der juto chete ...Oder secular definition etai...Look Kerala demography and Bengal Demography. Majority ke Minority te Convert kore den Secularism r dhong kore .
Are Bamponthi ra keno caste er proshno bhabbe. Tader motobad e to dhormo, caste nirbisheshe, orthonoitik poristhitir upore base kora. Tader kaach theke caste er bepar ta bhaba uchit o noy, ebong amar mone hoy tate karo ,kono caste ere karo kono obhijog chilo kokhono. Ei obhijog gulo tokhone othe jokhon caste niropekkhyo thekeo loke caste basis e kono siddhanto niye thake ba achar achoroner bhetor diye caste ebong dhormio shamprodyikotar proti kono ekta durbolota dekha jay. Ebare oneke bolben je bibhinnyo caste er lokera nijeder caste er bhetorei bibaho korten,ebong communist hoyeo. Ei obhijog jyoti babur bipokkhyeo oneke rekhechen. Kintu amar byaktigoto experience bolche boibahik shomporke caste er beparata tokhone na mene chola jay jokhon sheta dui toroph thekei mana hoy. Sadharonoto under privileged caste er loleder ba poribar er ete kono asuvishe hoy na, tar onek flexible thake kintu onek privileged caste er lokeder bamponthi haoa shottyeo ete itostoto thake,ebong ami onek khetre eta dekhechi je caste er baire boibahik shomporke joriye oneker dampyottyo jibon shukher hoy na,abar oneker eki caste er bhetore thekeo eki obosthya hoyeche. Eta aro beshi prokot hoy inter religious marriage er pokkhye. Jodio shekhaneo shei persanalityr upore onek kichu nirbhor kore ebong amarmone hoy genetic itihash er uporeo nirbhor kore, karon vinnyo caste er hoyeo ba vibnyo dhormer hoywo oneker genetic ancestry hoyto kono shomoy eki chilo.. eta amar onuman,ebomg eta hoteo pare khub bhalo bhabe. Jeta banglate kora uchit chilo onek age shwta holo jara vinnyo caste e ba vinnyo religion e boibahik shomporke joriye jay ba jete chay tader administrative protection daoa. Karon porovorti kale hinduttyo badider utthyan er phole oi pothe onekei jete itostoto koreche nichok danobik kichu loker bhoyer jyonnyo,ulto dike erokom o samajik abahaoa torir theke shotorko thaka uchit jekhane je nijwr caste ei biye korbe ba nijeder dhormer bhwtore8 biye korbe tader niye tacchillyo ba hashi thattta kora hobe. Etao haoa uchit noy. Basically samajik level kokhono personal matter e involve haoa uchit noy ebong personal matter diyeo samajik sthan nirdharito haoa uchit noy. Er baire amar mone hoy na bangla te caste discrimination islamic sashon ashar por theke hoye eshechilo, infact amar ekhon khub mone hoy je privileged caste er lokeder biruddhye ekte jonomot gore tola hoyechilo jar bhitti totodin e lop peye gache. Ebong eta politically motivated theke thakte pare,kintu amar mone hoy eta somaj motivated onek beshi chilo. Orthat personal reshareshi theke samajik khompta aday korar ochula chilo. Tokhon shothik information paoa tao koshtokor chilo, ekhon jeta onektai mone hoy transparent hoye gache ebong shobar kache pouche jaoar elta automated system toir8 hoye gache, jodio israel - palestine juddhye eta onektai gha kheyeche amar byaktigoto mot.
Onar sathe aro alochonar onurodh roilo .. bibhinno topic e ..
Comment section is full with anti-pathy to caste question within Bengal.... this is demonstratable evidence how bengali upper/middle/ chattering class still remains exclusive preserve of upper castes ...
They will feign that there is no casteism , because , ofc , they don't suffer from discrimination & deprivation
If you think you suffer from caste discrimination, then convert to any other religion muslim, buddism, christian, jainism, sikhism... No need to remain in hindu religion.
Any reservation if needed must be only on the basis of income and wealth criteria only, anything else is nonsense.
@@Indian_Plato
When I said , it is Me ?? And when I said it is about reservations?
I have made an objective point about Discrimination & Deprivation in Bengal...it will take lot of lot of lot of things to dismantle this inequality in addition to Conversion & Reservations ( whether income-based & caste-based)
Conversion & Reservations are minimal solutions that is already existing ....
Need much more than that .... that is what the discussion is all about ...
@@pratapmandal1046 How you know people of upper caste writting in the comment section? Without reservation caste ghetto politics will not survive.
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Tahole politburo te lower caste er kono representative nei keno?
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bhalo alochona kintu amar mote reservation 30-35% beshi howa uchit noi ar reservationer khetre financial background ti check kora uchit ar sorkarer obyabostha o durniti r birrudhe kotha bola uchit!
Ami leftist ebong onek topic e ekmot na hoyeo bolchi ei dhoroner alochona onek chai…discussion like this would enrich all of us…unfortunately this kind of content doesn’t reach to the mass …I don’t know why ..
Scholar extraordinary❤
Caste r proshno naa bhableo, ekhono কাস্তের প্রশ্ন নিয়েই চালিয়ে যাচ্ছেন। Tractor eshe gechhe sheta kheyal koren ni 😂😂😂
Krishakerao eshe gyachhe delhi-r dorgoray. Janla khule dekhben.
Darun. Ora jodio mAnushke bhikari bolte byasto
Utter wastage of time. Due to caste not being a question, there has been no caste animosity in Bengal. He's been involved in this for so long that caste has been etched into his brain. But he has to understand that class triumphs caste. The caste issue will be solved the day India starts industrializing. In an industrialized society there'd be no possibility to live in caste/creed ghettos which results in isolation of others and breeds hatred. People from all backgrounds deserve decent wages and good government services which the state is unable to provide. The Indian people want addressing of that issue.
Only the rotten burgeiosie attempt to divert the focus away from that.
"People from all backgrounds deserves good governance & wages".... but upper castes bengali due to unempteen social capital ( & capture of governmental power by them )do not need good governance to thrive ...
Those from lower rung of caste ladder suffers from deprivation ( if not outright discrimination)due to structural casteism...
And I do not believe naive theory of Bengal is free from caste-violence /animosity .. in UP , Rajsthan, MP , ugly caste-violence is due to the fact that lower castes are upwardly mobile , so they come in conflict with upper castes ... the day bengali lower caste will become upwardly mobile, then caste violence will spread the Bengal...
Bengal lives in extreme segregation..& segregation limits violence/apparent animosity...& when this segregation will collapse due to economic prosperity, violence will emerge in Bengal ( this is counter-intuitive but this is the case of caste violence in UP & Rajsthan; prosperity of lower castes invites more violence against them )
And for industrialisation , casteism of Bengal has soiled its primitive capital accumulation, so industrialisation is many many many miles away.
@@pratapmandal1046 just because your standards are low doesn't mean people from a specific caste are thriving. Teenagers from all district towns have to migrate to kolkata or out of Bengal to get a decent higher education/job opportunity. Even the graduates from Kolkata have to leave the state. People from all castes connected with the ruling elites make us feel that we are the 2nd class citizens. You cannot see all that because you're a blind follower, the best canon fodder for self serving professors or politicians.
@@shoumoD
Basic axiom of migration " prosperity & poverty both leads to outmigration"....
Progeny of mainly uppercastes professional class migrating due to pull factors & progeny of mainly lower caste labouring class migrating due to push factors...
And governmental power in Bengal is still monopoly of Upper caste networks..
And any future Industrial development & prosperity will induce caste violence in Bengal, simply segregation will collapse & head to head conflict will emerge as it is happening in Maharastra , Rajsthan & even in Tamil Nadu where dominant castes oppresses upwardly mobile dalits
@@shoumoD Will you marry someone from outside your caste? Before you let your cannonballs lose on me like you do on Mr Mandal, let me tell you I’m from the general caste and bagged a seat at an all-India institution based on an all India exam so don’t even try to talk about my ‘class’. You are simply living in an utopian la la land, if industrialization was the answer ,caste would’ve evaporated from Bombay or Ahmedabad now (cooton and textile mills) and Bangalore due to the electronics and IT industry (from 90s onwards). Unless the back of Brahman -Baidya- Kayastha hegemony is broken , the dire poverty and deprivation of the masses in Bengal would never go. And the change must begin at the top , that is the political leadership and higher judiciary (Calcutta High Court).
Bolai bahulyo. Khubi prashongig alochona. Manush nyara thakte nyarar mulyo bojhe na. Kintu danponthi ra ki bhabche?
Ha, Ja, Ba, Ra, La, chilo rumal, hoyejalo beral.. In the name of Gramsci, fantastic incoherent mumbo, jumbo, subaltern caste nonsense.
Any reservation if needed must be only on the basis of income and wealth criteria only, materially nothing else matters.
Haa...But Religions niye Secular chhilo maane Hindu r baaje r other communities der juto chete ...Oder secular definition etai...Look Kerala demography and Bengal Demography. Majority ke Minority te Convert kore den Secularism r dhong kore .
Are Bamponthi ra keno caste er proshno bhabbe. Tader motobad e to dhormo, caste nirbisheshe, orthonoitik poristhitir upore base kora. Tader kaach theke caste er bepar ta bhaba uchit o noy, ebong amar mone hoy tate karo ,kono caste ere karo kono obhijog chilo kokhono.
Ei obhijog gulo tokhone othe jokhon caste niropekkhyo thekeo loke caste basis e kono siddhanto niye thake ba achar achoroner bhetor diye caste ebong dhormio shamprodyikotar proti kono ekta durbolota dekha jay.
Ebare oneke bolben je bibhinnyo caste er lokera nijeder caste er bhetorei bibaho korten,ebong communist hoyeo. Ei obhijog jyoti babur bipokkhyeo oneke rekhechen. Kintu amar byaktigoto experience bolche boibahik shomporke caste er beparata tokhone na mene chola jay jokhon sheta dui toroph thekei mana hoy. Sadharonoto under privileged caste er loleder ba poribar er ete kono asuvishe hoy na, tar onek flexible thake kintu onek privileged caste er lokeder bamponthi haoa shottyeo ete itostoto thake,ebong ami onek khetre eta dekhechi je caste er baire boibahik shomporke joriye oneker dampyottyo jibon shukher hoy na,abar oneker eki caste er bhetore thekeo eki obosthya hoyeche.
Eta aro beshi prokot hoy inter religious marriage er pokkhye. Jodio shekhaneo shei persanalityr upore onek kichu nirbhor kore ebong amarmone hoy genetic itihash er uporeo nirbhor kore, karon vinnyo caste er hoyeo ba vibnyo dhormer hoywo oneker genetic ancestry hoyto kono shomoy eki chilo.. eta amar onuman,ebomg eta hoteo pare khub bhalo bhabe.
Jeta banglate kora uchit chilo onek age shwta holo jara vinnyo caste e ba vinnyo religion e boibahik shomporke joriye jay ba jete chay tader administrative protection daoa. Karon porovorti kale hinduttyo badider utthyan er phole oi pothe onekei jete itostoto koreche nichok danobik kichu loker bhoyer jyonnyo,ulto dike erokom o samajik abahaoa torir theke shotorko thaka uchit jekhane je nijwr caste ei biye korbe ba nijeder dhormer bhwtore8 biye korbe tader niye tacchillyo ba hashi thattta kora hobe. Etao haoa uchit noy.
Basically samajik level kokhono personal matter e involve haoa uchit noy ebong personal matter diyeo samajik sthan nirdharito haoa uchit noy.
Er baire amar mone hoy na bangla te caste discrimination islamic sashon ashar por theke hoye eshechilo, infact amar ekhon khub mone hoy je privileged caste er lokeder biruddhye ekte jonomot gore tola hoyechilo jar bhitti totodin e lop peye gache. Ebong eta politically motivated theke thakte pare,kintu amar mone hoy eta somaj motivated onek beshi chilo. Orthat personal reshareshi theke samajik khompta aday korar ochula chilo. Tokhon shothik information paoa tao koshtokor chilo, ekhon jeta onektai mone hoy transparent hoye gache ebong shobar kache pouche jaoar elta automated system toir8 hoye gache, jodio israel - palestine juddhye eta onektai gha kheyeche amar byaktigoto mot.