Deus Ex Invisible War Retrospective
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- Continuing on with my Deus Ex Retrospective series we come to what might be considered the black sheep of the family. To most people who played and fell in love with the original Deus Ex at launch, Invisible war was something of a disappointment. And While I definitely had that initial reaction to it I'm here today to tell you that judged on it's own merits there's a lot to love about Alex Denton's journey through a dystopian cyberpunk world of conspiracies and intrigue.
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Great review man! Cool to see someone who enjoys the game. Nicely edited and informative.
Thank you. It's a great game. I'll have to revisit these one day.
I actually love they handled the question of “which ending is canon” in Invisible War by saying “all three are” as none of them generally preclude the possibility of the others. As for the shift in JC’s personality to be more dispassionate and logical… what did you think would happen when he merged his consciousness with that of an AI?
It was certainly one way to handle it. As I said at the start of the video the sequel to an open game like deus ex has a big problem in that it has to canonize certain choices. So just kinda saying all endings happened sorta gets around that.
As far as JC becoming dispassionate, of course that's what would happen. But my point was the character I played in the first game would never have chosen to do that. Which brings us back around to the issue of mashing all the endings together. Some people may have played a JC who felt a return to the status quo was best for humanity or maybe felt Tracer Tongs ideas were too drastic. So on one hand everyone gets what they want, on the other we're all a little disappointed.
@@arkham666 FUN FACT: they did it again for Mankind Divided. The canon ending of Human Revolution is all 4… Adam sent out all 3 messages then destroyed Panchaia, leading to his own death. The Adam you’re playing in Mankind Divided is HEAVILY implied to be a clone with implanted memories from a backup/download, and forged augments.
@@Kenshiro3rd yeah I have a video on MD too. Love the shit out of that game. You probably know about Adam's body being in the versalife vault too. I'm suspicious it could have been a double bluff but then square got greedy and wanted to make live service BS so we never got a conclusion to Adam's story. Though things are looking up for that now. :)
Great retrospective. I've learned a lot here, as I'd always been curious about this series, but its console roots held me back from playing back in its hay day.
I also appreciate the clean V.O. audio. Thanks for your work!
Thanks for the comment. Have you played the original Deus Ex for the pc? I have another video on here about that. Glad you liked the video anyway.
Invisible War was a great game. The book on Arcologies was an interesting way to try to justify the Xbox’s paltry 64 megabytes of memory
hello fellow deus exers
Found your channel thru Legacy of Kain videos you did, amazing quality content
Thanks. I really appreciate it.
I loved how Witcher 3 tackled the whole multiple ending thing, Just straight out asks you. I would have much preferred this that the weird smushing all three endings together. Or, even better, just be completely separated.
Love that you mention Gray Goo as what is specifically going on in the intro, and the phenomenon that nanotech has on all society in the eyes of the Templars.
It's something I only found out about while making this video actually. Really interesting.
The underrated sequel.
Deus Ex and Human Revolution might be better, but Invisible War is utterly brilliant. It says something about the original DX trilogy when even the one people agree to be the weakest is fantastic. Really, all we need is a Thief 3 Gold/Sneaky Update-esque fanmade addon.
Wonderful comment. I'll probably have more to say on the morning when I've sobered up.
I have something of a soft spot for black sheep games. I'm actually playing blood omen 2 now and getting the same feeling. Not a bad game overall just to a much lower standard than the others in the series. It's too bad invisible war couldn't be modded the same way deus ex could. I wonder what we would have got if it had been possible.
Just completed the game. Actually on the contrary, I had taken the path of Helios merging with JC Denton in the first game and I was very much in line with the idea of all of humanity having a common consciousness. That was the ending that I actually kind of wanted as that seemed the happiest of all endings by far. So the game playthrough went very much the way I wanted to. So, I don't really have any hard feelings as such or any disappointments, the game in the end was very much satisfying for me.
Great video by the way. Loved the retrospective!
That's what's so cool about immersive sims, everyone has their own experience with them. We all have our own JC to one degree or another and affects our feelings about this second game.
Glad you liked the video. Be sure to ask the Borg of they're happy next time you meet one XD
Just played this for the first time a month ago and really enjoyed it. Probably would rank it underneath the other three games, but that’s hardly a slight in a series this brilliant.
Yeah the worst of the best is still a hell of a badge of honor.
Invisible War was still better than HR.
Invisible war isn't as good as the original DX but it is a masterpiece
Oh man, I’ve seen literally thousands of people gushing over Snow Crash over the years and there I was getting blank stares every time I mentioned The Diamond Age. I thought I was the only one who fucking read it! I’m SO happy you mentioned that book, it’s an incredible piece of post-cyberpunk literature
Amazing book. Now I've gotta read it again. Or listen to it since I've got it on audible
5 slot augmentation system
I think that something I enjoy about both Invisible War’s and Mankind Divided’s approach to the previous game’s ending, is that as a player, I had a really hard time picking an ending that felt right to me. For me, the endings of Deus Ex and Human Revolution are (brilliantly) a choice between a myriad of bad options. Because of that, in both games, I saved, played the ending I thought was best, but then reloaded and tried each option just to experience every ending. With that approach, Invisible War’s method of incorporating all the possible endings of Deus Ex actually felt like the most in line continuation of the Deus Ex story as I had experienced it, which felt really satisfying. I could see how it would have the opposite result for someone who really believed in their final singular choice for the first game, though.
One of the most amazing things about games of this nature is just how different people's experiences are and how that affect their reaction to the next game.
Great review bro
Thanks sir.
A huge thank you to everyone for over 1000 views on this. I honestly never expected that at all.
Greetings. I just played Invisible War again last year and earlier this summer to briefly forget the global pandemic. This game had most of the bells and whistles from the original Deus Ex despite smaller levels, subpar character development, streamlined item inventory, and frequent loading screens. Ironically, Invisible War is more relevant these days since the game also mirrors current events with a pandemic and an armed takeover of an entire city across the Atlantic.
About the Omar ending, I can see why that one appeals to players. Alex Denton has been railroaded and manipulated by many factions and even the Dentons that he/she didn't have much freedom anymore if the player felt that doing jobs for those factions was unfulfilling. An option to fight *EVERYONE* would be welcome despite the hard work and numerous resources that must follow. I'll have to play that ending again soon.
Yeah it's a game that shines despite it's faults. I really had a great time capturing the footage for this video, though there were a few bugs and crashes along the way. I feel the pandemic situation vis better captured in the 1st, "Deus Ex predicted it" is starting to feel as much of a meme as "Simpsons predicted it."
@@arkham666 I came across crashes in my recent Invisible War run, too. Certain in-game conversations somehow caused the game to inexplicably crash. Rebooting the game again usually solved the issue, though.
You know, it's funny how merging with Helios is something you have a problem with. I never even considered any of the other options once I heard I could merge with an AI god, and seeing merged JC redeemed Invisible War for me by a lot. I agree with your sentiment, it's definitely a great game, and the only truly bad thing about it is that it isn't anywhere near as good as the first one. That and universal ammo.
I love too much Deus Ex: The Conspiracy, I love Deus Ex: Invisible War... the only thing i hate on Invisible War was the f**k mechanism of munition and healt, relaxing the complexity was disapointing... Dark Souls demostrate how even his high difficult can made enjoyable a game.
Oh wow, sometimes you get really surprised by the TH-cam recommendations. Subbed, since your channel seems cool and this vid was pretty damn enjoyable as well!
Thanks an absolute million good sir. It really means a lot to me. And I'm glad to hear my stuff is popping up in recommends as well.
@@arkham666 I mean, I actually wouldn't have clicked on the video if I actually wasn't interested and I'm glad I was interested. Because at first I clicked on the TH-cam homepage button but then I remembered - wait, there was that one vid about invisible war in your recomended that looked interesting - so I clicked backspace and clicked on this vid. Also checked the vid about the first Deus Ex today. Was a good one too! But seriously, good content man, keep it up!
I always let my intrusive thoughts win playing this, a shotgun blast to every npcs head's too tempting for me not do in every playthrough 😅
Why wouldn't an EMP bomb be able to counteract grey goo?
You should probably ask Google. Remember the grey goo scenario is a hypothetical scenario about hypothetical nano bots of unspecified design. We have no idea if they'd work the same as regular robots and be sensitive to emp. Then we'd need a hypothetical emp from something other than a nuclear bomb. So it's not something to be thought on too heavily.
really fun game to play. the 'compromised for console' angle was a bit overemphasised by critics imo, it wasn't that bad.
It stands on its own merits. Not perfect and not up to the standard of the first but still an absolute blast to play through.
@@arkham666 don't think it had the depth of the 1st, but was far more accessible imo. like, my 1st playthru of DE1 was a mess, i was used to FPS like doom so didn't really get it & missed a ton of content. the combat mechanics didn't help tbh, they ain't the best. it was only on subsequent playthrus i got the full experience.
@@papalegba6759 that's a really good point. As a long time fan it's easy to forget how hard that first playthrough is. Liberty island really doesn't pull any punches and that crossbow is so useless.
@@arkham666 no autosave either, so if you forgot to save you could lose hours of progress... which happened to me a lot. great game, but it was unforgiving alright.
I had way more fun with this game vs Mandkind Divided
I'm a big fan of both but I can't deny the soft spot I have for Xbox era graphics and N G Resonance.
The NG Resonanse song is called Taxicab Messiah - by KidneyThieves
if I'm remembering correctly 🤝
o yea invislbe war
Still gotta try this one after I beat the original.
I’m still holding onto my original Xbox for this game. Why can’t this game be made backwards compatible or remastered? Invisible War was my first Deus Ex. I played the first game later but it was too dated for me to really get into it. Invisible War has the advantage of being nostalgic for me. I did love Human Revolution though.
your first will always be your best. It can be run in a mostly stable state on pc these days and with quick save you should never lose that much when you do get a crash but I don't think you're in a minority for wanting a remaster. Still must be nice to have that OG Xbox around as well. Great system.
I love this game it's vastly superior than Human revolution.
That's a hot take if I ever heard one lol. They're quite different for a lot of reasons but they both rock my world.
@@arkham666 I have Human revolution on 2 different consoles and am struggling with it. on both. The combat is dreadful as is the hacking I much prefer Invisible war.
You left out the secret ending.
whats the name of the game at 12:46
Shadow Hearts. My favorite jrpg.
"Correct" and "canon" are not necessary the same thing.
Agreed but what part of my video are you referring to exactly?
i play this game because i played 1st game
and i dislike this game
i mean i like it, but i hate it too
Deus Ex 2000 was masterpiece
Invisible War is failure, dissapointed and girl you had a crush on 5 years later xD
It's a disappointing game for me, but it certainly has good stuff in it. Poor sequel. Decent enough of a game by itself. Always a conflicted playthrough for me.
Good video.
Yeah I feel you. A real product of its time and situation. Still fun though.
@@arkham666 Have you played any of the Thief games? Invisible War for me always gets bundled up with Thief 3 as the "fun but disappointing xbox shackled sequel".
Which is odd considering Thief 3 was my introduction to that series. Ended up playing Thief 1 & 2 much later.
@@NikoTeaJay yeah I've played a couple of them. I've been meaning to do a full playthrough and do videos on them. Maybe this year will be the year.
I guess I'm 999th view..dammit!!
We made it woooo thanks so much.
YOUR VOICE NEEDS TO BE LOUDER THAN THE INGAME-VOICES!
Thanks for the feedback. The sound levels seem to change from davinci to exported video to TH-cam. Still learning.