Mercury Capsule Without a Window.m4v
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- A scene from The Right Stuff - Philip Kaufmann, 1983.
This video clip was presented during a lecture held at the Eindhoven Universtity of Technology's Studium Generale (2011). Lecture title: "Three Stars and a Window in Outer Space:
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Bruh, they had to pick a villain and they chose the engineers lol
Well they are German sounding engineers from NASA. They are the perfect villain since they are literal Nazis :D
The moon landing brought to you courtesy of Operation Paperclip...
nazis ... they were and still are nazis
Nein nein! Ve are not ze Nazi Ingenieure. Ve are from ze Neutral place Schweiz. Vader made chocolat and Muzzer gemolkene Kühe.
@@graphite2786 soooooooooo Nazis ..?
Watched this clip and then realized that a little more than a decade after this movie was made Ed Harris plays Gene Krantz in Apollo 13 trying to get the crew home safely.
Also with "poorly" designed components.
But which movie is this?
I guess you could say he proved he had the right stuff to play a nasa boffin with this scene.
Apollo 13 had a huge array of redundant manual controls in the event that something went wrong and the crew would need to manually pilot the spacecraft.
It did. And they succeeded.
@@BeamBinge The right stuff. Little trivia- Chuck Yeager makes a cameo in the bar scene as the proprietor.
As others have stated this is a very condensed and satirical version of the multiple technical discussions and negotiations that occurred between the Mercury 7 pilots and the rocket designers. It goes back to that old saying a picture is worth a thousand words. This is how you condense a thousands words into every look and gesture
Exactly, it also is a good english lesson for esl teachers. It shows how word choice can affect the perception of the speaker
well, it's a Hollywood Movie, not a documentary...
Satirical is the word. This scene is almost outright comedy. I half expected one of the astronauts to tell 'the Germans' to _"Hit the bricks, see!"_ 😊
I'm glad Apollo 13 wasn't like this.
@@elchefe7701 There are many great Hollywood movies based on real-life events that stick far more closely to the facts.
Apollo 13, Sully, Catch Me If You Can (all Tom Hanks films) and 12 Years a Slave spring to mind as faithful biopics.
And having a bunch of nearly-mythological All American Heroes putting a bunch of dehumanized Europeans in their place was basically a mandate from the Pentagon during the Cold War.
“No bucks, No Buck Rogers.” Awesome line
"What if we made the background press noise REALLY loud, so you can't hear any dialogue?"
"Perfect!"
Christopher Nolan saw this and said, "yes."
This clip is totally Hollywood. In reality, all the Astronauts took part in designing all parts of the space craft.
That's incorrect with the original design.
Ohhhhh no artistic liberties.
Pilots
It's quite often that the entertainment industry forces confrontation because that gives the viewer an adrenaline burst which feels good.
@@eaaeeeea Like Apollo 13. Everyone worked together efficiently to find solutions to work problems as they came up.
I am so fortunate that I grew up during this era.
My dad liked westerns. I said, “Dad, I don’t want to see how you lived. I want to see how I’m going to live.”
I watched sci-fi, The Jetsons and Star Trek and played with Maj. Matt Mason. And of course I watched the launches 🚀 at Cape Canaveral, where Major Nelson and Healy worked. Even saw Neil and Buzz walk on the Moon.
Exciting time, and this movie says it all. October Sky is another one of the 60’s dream era.
Not accurate, but there is a bit of storytelling going on here - Gordo Cooper asks about a window - And On Mercury 9 he needed to realign the spacecraft manually using star positions. Gus Grissom asks about a hatch with explosive bolts, and lost his spacecraft at sea when the hatch blew out, and Scott Carpenter asks about controls, and he later manually flew his reentry when the automated systems failed. Although a completely fictional scene, the writers are cleverly hinting at the future.
...not to mention the three astronauts who died inside the Apollo 1 capsule because their door had a cumbersome opening procedure which took half an hour to open and they had no emergency hatch with explosive bolts to scape during an emergency.
@@pixsilvb9638 The irony was that they designed it that way to avoid a repeat of Grissom's Mercury flight where 'the hatch just blew!'
@@alanholck7995 ..so they made sure Grissom couldn't scape the second time. Pretty dedicated NASA engenieers, eh?
Wally Schirra confirmed that Gus couldn't have opened it himself as it left a huge bruise on the hand. Also they obviously liked Gus to put him in command of Apollo 1. Sad as that story is.
What i really love in this scene is the difference between pragmatists and blind faith in technology as exhibited by the engineers. The engineers just assume that they thought of everything, included backups and such but real life has taught the pilots to expect anything and that the person inside the plane/spacecraft should be in control at all times or be able to take control back from the machine at any point.
It is a lesson in life - everything, no matter how well designed, may fail all at once and if you don't prepare for it you will pay the price.
Better life lesson is - The weakest part of any vehicle is the operator.
That's why test pilots typically have an engineering degree.
Why do the astronauts behave like they bully George McFly everyday?
Because when this film was made that sort of arrogance was considered "manly".
Yeah this scene has the complete opposite effect to making them sympathetic.
What a bunch of creampuffs. This is called being a man and showing some spine and resolve.
b... but creampuffs with or without snowflakes on?
@@mikebillman8089 don't take this scene as verbatim historical. The men standing in the mylar flight suits were so sharp they could convince that engineer group to give them what they needed without being to threatening. Real men are those you can respect. Aren't complete assholes. They don't have to threaten you to do more than the job asks you. The way they tell it to you. You'll Ask to do the job for them. I've worked for both and Know which one to strive to be.
Scott Glenn, Dennis Quiad, Fred Ward, Ed Harris, Lance Henriksen..crazy cast!
Too bad the writing wasn't on their level.
I wish they would have given Henriksen some lines also.
Wally Schirra was a kick ass pilot and engineer.
The German engineers thought they were still designing a "self-guided missile to deliver a payload to a target."
The pilots reminded them that they were now designing a "manually-controlled spacecraft to launch an astronaut to space."
I think that's exactly what happened.
Except the spacecraft was never supposed to be flown manually. The precision required to launch it safely into space was not something a human pilot could manage. Even with the manual controls installed, an astronaut could only fly the capsule after it was already in orbit.
And there WAS already a hatch on it.
@@Shadowkey392 Of course there was a hatch. That's how they got the occupant in and out. But IIRC it was bolted shut from the outside. What we see here, fictional or not, is the astronauts asking for a hatch with explosive bolts so they could open it from the inside.
@ind0ctr1n3 Agreed. Even the way they portrayed the press is a bit overly dramatic.
Engineers working with human factor specialists from the start of a project wasn't really a thing back then.
I'm impressed with Space X's capsule and space suit design, equal pegging for human comfort and functionality.
WVB had nothing to do with the capsule. He and his team were the rocket men in Huntsville, AL developing the Saturn series of boosters. Still a funny scene though. Astronauts worked with the engineers. The Gemini capsule was called the Gus Mobile due to Grissom’s close involvement with its interior design.
There's a lot of inaccuracies in this film. McDonnell Aircraft designed both the Mercury and Gemini spacecraft. The film shows Ridley alive when Yeager flew the F-104, when he died in 1957. I guess artistic licence?
The German scientist is implied but not confirmed to be Von Braun.
That's amazing that the actor for Grisham was so well cast that I could tell who it was supposed to be from the thumbnail without even looking at his name tag.
Grissom?
And while not really resembling him, Dennis Quaid was perfect for Gordo Cooper.
However it actually came about, having a *window* and manual re-entry *controls* on the *spacecraft* saved astronaut *pilot* Gordo Cooper's life.
@@nicholas2113 Good catch. Well, that didn't save Cooper's life, but almost got Gus Grissom drowned. Ironically & tragically the lack of such a hatch did get Gus & 2 others killed by fire in Apollo 1
@@nicholas2113 both Schirra and Cooper blew the hatch on their capsule once aboard the recovery ship. There was bruising on their hands from the trigger. Grissom had no such bruising. They did it to vindicate their friend.
John Glenn's too.
@@windwardhaven
Well an explosive hatch in a 100% pure oxygen environment wouldn't have helped any.
@@windycityjohn400 Considering the fire was already raging and creating very high temp & pressure, they had less than 30 seconds to get out of there. Any kind of outward-opening hatch would have saved them, including an explosive-bolt one.
This is still my all time favorite movie. I understand it was a satire, but I loved that they actually went into detail about the Mercury flights and got the important aspects of the missions themselves correctly while keeping a narrative correct about what denotes the right stuff.
@@skylarkk6418 The astronaut's attitude towards the higher ups.
I think the satire elevates the movie.
@@skylarkk6418 the scene where the government discusses possible candidates for astronauts is a pretty good example.
I think they exaggerated a lot for theatrical and symbolic reasons because there's so much you can say in a book that you can't with a movie. The book went into way too much historical detail, the movie would have been ten hours long if they stayed close to the book but I have to say this is the ONLY movie I've ever seen that was better than the book - despite the exaggerations. You don't get a sense of the size of the rockets from the book and the soundtrack was a perfect combination of Gustav Holst, the Planets (both Mars & Jupiter).
My grandfather, Vic Horton, was a NASA test pilot and engineer. He knew the real Gus Grissom from Edwards and it always disgusted him the way the way Gus was portrayed as a screw-up in the book and the movie.
Some say that Ed Harris was so mad with the fact that the module had no windows that years later, he became Flight Director at NASA and took part of the Apollo 13 mission to bring the boys back to Earth, and I kid you not, using the windows as a dead reckoning instrumment to steer the thing back in the original path.
This is how mad he was at this design without windows.
Ummm, Ed Harris is an actor. He had nothing to do with Apollo 13 but after the fact...in a movie. I think you're referring to Gene Kranz. "Failure is not an option."
People ask why did the US stop going to the moon, easy they ran out of tame Nazis.
That's....apt
And Germany right now has both an Nazi issue and unemployment. Hmmm ...
Haha... ran out of gas
Except most of the people who made apollo happen were American but whatever
@@jb76489 LOL with stolen tech from the germans lol keep lying
What a great movie. "The Right Stuff." And rightly named so. Love it. I can watch it over and over again.
The guy who plays the German scientist was awesome.
Dang yeah
Jaaa!
José Jiménez: "My name... José Jiménez."
Ed Sullivan: "Well, now I see you have some of your space equipment with you. Uh, what is that called, the crash helmet?"
José Jiménez: "Oh, I hope not."
My daughter, who is 1.7 years old, has a bigger children's tent. All the same, our "Vostok" was several times larger.
Ah but we beat you to the moon so its doesn't matter.
@@halogeek6 But all the same, in the end, it did not find application.
Love the guy playing Von Braun. Too funny.
me building a massive rocket in ksp vs me when im actually trying to fly it
Check yo staging!
This is so incorrect it hurts.
That's Hollywood for ya... "Muh artistic license"
Movie…..not a historical event. It’s meant to entertain and that’s all. Besides how do you know what went on behind the scenes back then?
Damn! Those guys are so young! I forgot how old this film was.
RIP FRED WARD
Man.....Gus always had problems with hatches....RIP.
No buck, no Buck Rogers!
tommyt1971 Fuckin' A, Bubba!
"Go, Hot Dog, GO!!!"
@@jshepard152 !!!YES!!!
@@tommyt1971
What Gus is tryna' say is...
No buck$
I didn’t realize Gene Kranz was one of the Mercury 7.
He was but he never flew the Mercury due to a medical condition. He got better and flew on the Apollo-Soyuz flight instead.
@@JohnVJay Goddamnit, you're 100 % right, of course I was thinking of Deke Slayton. I don't know how I managed to mix them up.
And Bart Mancuso, who went on to captain the Dallas submarine..... what a career.
Safe to say, that the joke went over your head chap.
This is the most entertaining and most well behaved comment section i have ever been to.
Has Fred Ward EVER been in a movie scene where he's not just completely pissed off?
Check out "Sweet Home Alabama" (2002), he plays more of a goofy, comedic role as the father of Reese Witherspoon's character.
no
Also escape from alcatraz, hes not pissed off in that either
Gus Grissom REALLY wanted that explosive hatch eh? Ironic cuz it nearly killed him.
Nope, he is annoyed in everything I've seen him in.
Reminds me of the German designed ZF transmission in my Ram. No Dipstick tube to fill/check the fluid even though ZF recommends changes 60-80k miles, and the fill plug is next the the exhaust pipe 🫠
I grew up playing in Gus Grissom park in Fullerton Ca when I visited my cousins who lived nearby. 'NO bucks, NO Buck Rodgers.'
I see young Ed Harris here, and then see current older Ed Harris in the Top Gun 2 trailer. Time sucks.
It only sucks if you can't accept the facts of life - and it also helps if you're not too paranoid about your (or others) looks...
Stay safe and healthy (and in your case hopefully wealthy enough to foolishly fight time at the beauty surgeon...)
Is this where the term *SPACECRAFT* was first coined
I certainly hope so
On the other hand a Cosmonaut-occupant was indeed to sit there, shut up and not get in the way of the automatic systems of the capsule. This difference became really pronounced with the Apollo which was mostly pilot-controlled, including docking, vs. the Soyuz that was almost completely automated.
Total theatrical nonsense. In reality they worked very closely with
Space Task Group engineering (not headed by Germans, as that was Redstone) in design and development in order to gain complete knowledge of their systems, while offering (not demanding) their input, as well as bodies for custom seat fitting, ergonomics of controls and all other related aspects. They did it as professionals and were extremely grateful to be in the program. Bitchy attitudes would have gotten them kicked off the team.
This scene is overly dramatized, but I believe the original capsule design was as stated (no window, no hatch, no astronaut control) and this was changed after great protest from the astronauts. NASA could maybe have fired one or two but not all seven of them, and they knew that and used it to get their way several times.
Actually no. The original design included a pothole window, even the submitted patent drawings include it, as well as Ham the Chimps flight MR-2. There was always a window. MR-3 also had the small porthole window for Alan Shepard. It didn't have the explosive bolt hatch however. It had a series of bolts that needed to be unscrewed from the outside. What the astronauts did pressure the team for was a larger window and they got it. The explosive bolts and more easily removable, larger hatch, was a team decision.
My mistake, I remembered Shepard as just having the periscope. What about astronaut control? I'm pretty sure "spam in a can" was the original concept. When did they give the astronauts the ability to pilot Mercury?
Sheperd's MR-3 had both periscope and the porthole window. He also did manual full pitch yaw and roll retrorocket testing during his short drift in our outer atmosphere. See if you can find "Project Mercury First Quarterly Report Oct-Dec 1959 NASA". It will give you a better idea of how integrated these pilots were in the capsules ongoing development. My point being, they didn't just show up like a bunch of cowboys.
The movie was actually supposed to be a satire of sorts about the space program and a criticism of the American Media which lauded them as the best pilots around. This was framed by Chuck Yeager, who was considered to be the best pilot ever.
I honestly love the movie though. Even though I know this isn't how the events actually played out, the critique and glorification of the space program and the pilots was astonishingly well done and it payed perfect homage to the best rocket ace that ever existed.
I liked the book and have also read a couple of astronaut autobiographies, this is in not really quite how it was but love the comedy aspect of this movie. Quad’s mimicking of Gordo’ Cooper is exceptionally good. One of my go-to feel-good movies.
Of course it’s not what happened, it’s a film, if it was what actually happened the film would have to a couple of years in length.
For an inside joke they should have had Scott Paulin and Ed Harris wear work boots that had been spray painted silver. (In one of the publicity photos Slayton and Glenn were wearing them instead of the standard pressure suit boots. You can see the photo on the 'Mercury Seven' page on Wikipedia.)
No warp nacelles?
In about 100 years from then.
These guys had balls the size of the moon. Just think they were going in something that you don't really control in to a place that no one really knew what to expect in untested suits. Well dam that takes some amazing COURAGE.
Somehow i doubt the engineers were uncooperative.
And here we are, 50 years later, calling it a capsule...
SpaceX and NASA call the Dragon series a spacecraft.
@@justonemori
A spacecraft is the whole thing, less the booster. The capsule Is the can they put the spam in.
So basically, "Uh, no. We're not doing blind leaps, and trust falls with all our lives, because you don't see a need for a window."
usually if something goes wrong with the mission or the craft the crew is fucked anyway
Truth.
Fun fact some of the Saturn V walls, were only ~2.5mm-10mm thin walls.
Why are they all in pressure suits at capsule reveal?
press
It was already too late to put a window in Alan Shephard's Freedom 7. He had only two little port holes to look out of.
Crazy this was made only 20 years after the event. Thats like a movie on 9/11 coming out now.
Uhm...
World Trade Center: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(film)
9/11: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_(2017_film)
Scott Beach, as Wernher von Braun
...San Francisco comedy group
I Fratelli Balogña (AKA "The Balogña Brother's") as the press Corps...
I love how they all arrogantly fall in line behind Glenn and Cooper's lead -- they have the German guys right by the nuts. Still my favorite scene in the movie.
An invented scene, to be sure, but a good one
Oh man I love this scene.
A very enthusiastic and high-spirited form of intimidation.
I love the guy in the backround with the big roll of paper in his chest pocket at 2:01
Hunsville Alabama is where these engineering guys were located.
The Astronauts were giving them a refresher course in lain English.
:)
That capsule, umm.. spacecraft looks awfully small. Would we a pretty tight squeeze to stuff three astronauts (I mean pilots), in there.
Mercury capsule was a tight squeeze for only one astronaut. Gemini fit two, Apollo fit three, Orion will fit six.
I loved this movie, except for the way they portrayed Gus and Betty Grissom. The man ultimately died for the program, and his memory deserves to be treated better than that.
Gus was my first and last childhood hero. I was 6 years old when my father sat me down and told me he was killed. I was devastated.
Not really. No one...for any reason, should ever be put on a pedestal. He should be respected for his accomplishments, sure, but they're not the sole, nor most important, aspect of him.
Was it your intent to put Gus on a pedestal?
@@mikhailiagacesa3406 It's my intent to show some respect.
This movie is satire. Chill people. There's literally a scene where circus performers are considered by government officials to be astronauts.
Germans designed the capsules(sorry, spacecraft)? I thought the V2 engineers worked the boosters while Ol' Man Mcdonnel made Mercury and Gemini; and N. American made Apollo(Gunther Wendt was a German engineer, but not a V2 guy, right?)
Your totally correct- Wendt was in the Luftwaffe and learned aircraft construction
Major bullying during the Mercury program. Don't mess with the pilot astronauts with their windows and hatches with explosive bolts. 🤣
Back when going to space was sexy.
Now the returns are on fire, nothing better than watching a hundred foot SpaceX booster make a bullseye soft landing from sixty miles up -- except for three of them making the ten ring.
Sweet and Smart...maybe. Political...absolutely. Sexy?...eh.
These scene is so ridiculous
Fuck me, there's a movie to miss...
EFFING YES!!! Ladies and Gentlemen THIS is what American pilots are made from!!!
sure is strange how all the rocket scientist have German accents Ha I wonder what their occupation was before NASA
Building V2 rockets to kill people. Get over it. These scientists brought the US to the moon.
@@evertaj8332 who needs to get over it?
Those Nazi rocket engineers look so pissed off that they lost the war.
Oh no. The only remembered sadly the time how easy it was to work with stupid disciplined SS-Soldiers...
They are just actors.
The Nazi party didn't lose the war they just lost a battle. If you think about it there was so much nazi engineering around everybody today makes you wonder
@@michaelwallace897 German engineering, not nazis, nazis were pieces of shit
It's not a capsule. It's a spacecraft. Yea!
eventhough this is pure hollywood, it was a great and hilarious scene
i wonder just how close this was to the actual discussion that took place.
They were actually working together the entire time from the beginning.
Portraying it as an argument in the hangar is a sort of metaphor I guess
In a way, the entire novel is a metaphor! It's like Woolf coining the right stuff as the ability to take 100% control of your extra human actions, AND, the same person's dope perfomance of the ape/blind dummy routine, treating both imposters just the same.
If it wasn’t for these this demands Gordo could’ve died in one of those missions
incredible cast
Mercury capsule: "It needs more windows!"
Apollo lander: "It needs less windows!"
Fewer.
@@Jabber-ig3iw No, less surface area on the LM.
@@mikhailiagacesa3406 less surface area, but fewer windows.
You can have a small window, big window, one or two windows, but not .76 window.
Balls of steel.
why are they in their space suits?
for the photo op, obviously.
I was waiting for him to say "Main Furer, I can walk!"
Awsome movie with an awsome cast
JEEZ they’re so young !!!!
"...Spaaacecfaaaft..."
Glad no flatards found this video
Kitty What’s a flatard?
Some dumbasses who think the earth is flat.
Kitty Oh, you mean those guys. Thanks.
It was in one of those Pirates of the Caribbean flicks!
@We Are Monsoons me neither...
Is this a good movie? I like the actors and I’ve heard of it but never seen it.
Could you imagine if the Astronauts didnt speak up about the lack of windows on the ship and the Apollo 13 Astronauts were flying blind instead
The reality the mercury spacecraft was designed by McDonnell Aircraft. And they had a good relationship with the astronauts.
Man _ had forgotten Fred Ward was in this.
So this cap-spacecraft was designed and built in total secrecy, in a building with giant windows?
No, this is a movie. We never went to space.
This was probably supposed to represent the pyro installation building at Canaveral Air Station following delivery of the spacecraft from McDonnell Aircraft Corporation.
@@DoctorSkillz I hear we never went to Topeka, either. All a hoax.
but, was it used, did it matter, or was it just something the astronauts wanted for thier own sake since if remember correctly, the window on the rockets was extremely small and only used for slight comfort and for taking pictures (very important for the press)
Manual backups should never have to be used. That would mean the primary systems were insufficiently well engineered.
The one thing I have learned as an engineer? Processes that don't include manual backups tend to be insufficiently well engineeted.
Snotty German scientists! Well, considering what other projects some of them had been involved in, I'm not surprised at their lack of consideration for the feelings of others. Makes me think of Tom Lehere's song about Werner von Braun.
These guys are total divas NASA should have gotten submarine men rather than showy flyboys
Astronaut "pilot" is the only correction I respectfully disagree with in this movie's terminology.
We Germans mean well- ok not always, but in this case...
It's alright, Germans just need to be more like Austrians...wait...no, not that either. ;-)
Some of the finest acting I've ever seen 🤦♂️
Capsule: this isn't even my final form!
That is a spacecraft SIR.
Operation paperclippers say NEIN
If there's no hatch, how the hell do they get in there in the first place?
"Ze pilot don't go in it, he stayz on ze grount"
The difference was not in having a hatch, the difference is in having explosive bolts. The original concept was that the hatch be bolted in place by the ground crew after the astronaut entered the craft - and unbolted by the ground crew to let him out after landing.
Wally Schirra once said that no one ever argued with Von Braun because Von Braun was always right.
I just came here from the KSP Wiki. Sooooo..
Hello!
omg I haven't seen this movie in decades... I forgot about this scene... hilarious! time to watch the movie again!
How much would this movie cost to make 35 years later? A terrific movie.
dpm1982 They would use CGI technology and it would look very different
MrFlyboy1313 like shit, this is a great movie just the way it is
They all 7 should fit in to the capsule? :)
I didn’t know Jeff Bezos could act.
wtf, this isnt true.... any of this scene
Well the accents are definitely factual. lol
Quite entertaining. But not quite how these professional pilots made their point. But they certainly knew how to get things done when the engineers were not doing what needed to be done. That spacecraft mock-up is just a bit on the tiny side too. Lol! 😁
The Mercury capsule was barely over 6' wide and something like 8' tall. In fact, the original NASA Mercury mold was used to create the model in this scene.