@@marsgal42 I wonder how many will get the reference. For those that didn't check out Bad Obsession Motorsport's Project Binky which is a Terry Pratchett reference.
Actually, I saw concepts by airplane companies where passengers were standing. They yould cramp more people in that way, hence more money for them. Perhaps cheaper tickets for us.
@@GordonLFinch - Engineers are notoriously f**** lazy. FInd the laziest one for a project and in the end it will work for the lowest amount of time and money. IT may not look like a beauty queen when finished, but it will damn sure work.
I have been through this exact process several times in my career as an engineer. You are given an apparently impossible task and have to find a way to solve it. It always comes down to challenging base assumptions and building the tools you need to solve the problem. When you finally get it, it's a high like no other. :)
"When you finally get it, it's a high like no other." Unless the design process and compromises have left you completely sick of the project. When it's finished you get drunk and wonder how you survived that engineering death march. I've been on that end of engineering spectrum. :-o
@@waynecampeau4566 So the guys 2 levels above you who started this political shenanigan basically effed over the entire company (or at least your division) just for their own egos? Sounds very typical in today's engineering corporations.
I work as one. Trust me, that stuff gets thrown around a lot. People expect gold to come from nothing but the shit they give you as goals and budgets. God, it sucks. You need to take some extreme, unorthodox methods some times. :p
+Jarin Udom Good leader yes, but it also takes great engineers to stand up and prove their point. If that tall dude did not press his point and "help him see it" and just accept his decision ... they would have never reached the Moon, regardless of leader's capabilities.
Jarin Udom - not really. He was rather obstinate and not curious enough regarding where the engineer was coming from. If he had listened the engineers would not have had to stay up all night in order to prove a simple point.
@@Slarti Have you watched the whole episode? This team has a dozen balls in the air at once (as demonstrated by the fact he was reading some assessment when the engineer opens his office door), and dealing with crazy time constraints. Something as simple as indigestion could throw the manager off his game from time to time.
@@Slarti you have to remember this is a movie, with "plot vehicles" to move the story along. We may never know the actual story behind this issue. What is shown in a few minutes of storyline likely took a few months to hash out in real life
The "Legs are great shock absorber" is a really great line. As an engineer, its so fucking common to do these kinds of things. The sample bottle is too cold,"Well you are hot and your hands are a good conductor"
I worked for TRW Inc. back in the 1990's... the Best Engineer I ever met used to build complex gearboxes out of matchboxes, toothpicks and rubber bands. He didn't just play with them mind you, he had a plan formulated in his mind, wrote a QUICK rough draft of it on paper, and built from that. After he worked out the bugs, it was up to the rest of us (Junior Engineers and Technical Staff) to go off the of the rough draft and WORKING model to come up with the Fabrication (R&D) Drawings. I can only HOPE there are Engineers / Craftsmen like him out there today, still impressing the hell out of their team. Because I have no shame in telling you. I WAS SERIOUSLY IMPRESSED.
I'm two years late: but in answer to your question: and to help anyone thinking of engineering as a career, but not to upset TH-cam, so I won't post a link, if people have a look at "Nicolas Fremau, a hybrid architecture expert at Groupe Renault, lego" , yes models are still about and proving of great use. And for people looking for a career in any technical field, you can have all the ideas, but if you can't articulate them, they will be for nothing. Drama and projecting yourself (by using props) are as important as the science you study, as Scout Sniper above elegantly demonstrates.
Yeah , I spent a 45 year career as a Structural/Mchanical Designer , responsible for taking an Engineer's _dream_ and turning it into a MANUFACTURABLE reality . Even WITH a "working model" , if you couldn't manufacture it , it never became anything more than that - a working model . I had more fun "dealing" with the challenges and road-blocks than _most_ have their entire careers !
One word to put all your questions at ease. Telemetry. When Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon and gave his famous "That's one small step..." comment, not only did engineers at Houston pick it up, but our Russian counterparts did as well. Every conspiracy theorist that I have ever encountered has always said, "all we have are grainy tv images as 'proof.'" Which is erroneous. And you're actually bass-ackwards with your thinking, it would have been easier to go to the moon than to fake it.
Biscuitchris7again way easier. All you gotta do is look at the dust flying behind the rovers driving on the moon. It is PHYSICALLY impossible to recreate the way the dust flew and settled, on earth. You can overcome a lot of things to fake it. Make em look like they are weightless bouncing around, blah blah, you could even put them in a giant vacuum chamber for realism but you can’t turn gravity off on earth and change physics of dirt and dust moving in a moon environment. It’s all the proof I’ll ever need that the landings are real. Any argument to the contrary is invalid and can be broken with just that one of thousands of pieces of proof.
And somewhere I've seen pictures from a Russian lunar rover taking a look at an Apollo landing site ... Looks a bit of a mess - but yeah, they went alright.
@Libturds Suck Just trying to find it ... must have been from a while ago as it was quite grainy and black and white ... not that there's much in the way of color on the moon ....
love this whole sequence of the episode, where the viewer gets to not only see what all the idiosyncrasies of the LM are for, but also the iterative process of refining and refining a design to perfection, shaving away all unnecessary elements
Indeed 👍. More than HALF of my Product Design as a Structural Mechanical Designer was accomplished in "stealth" mode , results often sprung on Enginers in Design Review meetings , where they couldn't quash , without looking like an inept failure. Attributing the parts of the winning concept TO the struggling Engineer that looked most _like_ what meager input they'd offered , happily saved more than one Enginee'rs employment or departmental project . I was HAPPY to _do_ it , TOO . They were good guys , all _trying_ , but without a good Designer , most of their BEST ideas remained just _that_ - good IDEAS . I loved what I did for a living , with a real passion for the work . More than once I'd have a n Engineer pull me forward on a next contract , but I _Really_ preferred helping to turn a Project Engiineer into a LEAD Engineer ! I knew_I'd_ do fine , no matter WHAT , it was GOOD Men and women who _deserved_ to progress , that I MOST enjoyed helping !
More like that was nasa, now its just a mess of over spending and bureaucracy, sls is over budget and behind schedule while spacex is on schedule and under budget on a fundamentally better rocket
This fall... 2024, my son is going to college to be a mechanical engineer. Im soooo proud of him. A few years back i was watching this whole mini series from start to finish. This was his favorite episode. He was soooo captivated by the engineering aspect of the space program. Building everything from the ground up out of pure (willy wonka) imagination
One important sequence was when the LEM Landing Leg Pad failed during Testing, and the Engineer who did the calculations realized he had made a mistake. He told Tom Kelly, the LEM Project Manager for Grumman and showed him the mistake. And what did Kelly do? He told the Engineer to go home and get some rest, then come back when he was ready to work. Didn't fire him, or throw him off the Project. Kelly told him his mistake was a bad one, but applauded him for not trying to 'sweep it under the rug' and hide it. The Engineer took responsibility for his mistake, stood up and faced the fire. That's what made this series so good; they told the story of Apollo from all angles and perspectives.
It must've been a great vindication and pride for the engineers when the Apollo program succeeded, to see their hard work deliver on the promise, and when the challenges seemed endless and impossible.
Not just the engineers. The astronauts, the families of everyone in the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo programs, and countless others. It really was an achievement for mankind.
@@kbanghart For some. A few have not only survived, but thrived. The Bormans overcame addiction and stayed together, and the Lovells are probably the brightest star among all NASA families. Heh, funny how both of the strongest NASA marriages came from the same Gemini (7) and Apollo (8) missions :P
@@k1productions87 that's true, I was just re-watching that episode of the series from the Earth to the Moon, actually. You're right about Gemini, but also remember the gemini duo of mcdivitt and white, there was divorce and then of course the tragedy of Ed in Apollo 1 and then Pat later took her life.
Grumman's Engineers were the best choice for the LEM project. They built it simple, durable and as ugly as possible. I wonder what would have been built if Lockheed's Skunk Works got involved...
From what I've read, Grumman wanted the contract to build the command module, lost that and was given the lunar module as a consolation prize. Their first attempt was so flawed they decided to start all over again; the second time they delivered a superb spacecraft. Then, one of the engineers started playing with a somewhat way-out-there idea: a plan to use the LM as a sort of space lifeboat. Nobody expected that to be needed, but when Apollo 13 had its accident, I'm sure Grumman was happy they had designed such a rugged, dependable ship.
@@bob1505 actually, that’s not quiet true. While it is a little heavier, it’s 5 times stronger. Meaning you need less. So it actually works out the same. But for what they needed, aluminum was easier and cheaper to work with.
@@namelesscynic16161/6th not 1/7th. But what’s even more amazing is how Apollo 11 nearly ran out of fuel looking for a good place to land. Something validating the need for astronauts to see where they’re going!
A great example of the value, in engineering, of questioning things we’re inclined to take for granted. Especially when it comes to microgravity environments.
I liked how the young kid, who re-checked his work after the test failures, knows his ass is on the line, yet goes to Tom Kelly, right away, with what happened. Kelly knew the kid made a mistake...we are all human, but recognized his integrity, at immediately coming forward with it. Good call, Mr. Kelly.
I remember learning this lesson as a kid. I did the pinewood derby in scouts and most kids used the standard kit. But the rules don’t require that - just needed to be within certain dimensions and weights. So I used different materials. Some kids accused me of cheating when I won, but they just hadn’t taken advantage of the possibilities.
@@roberth.5363 as opposed to the democrats who have given up believing in biological sex. Please tell us how unscientific we are.... obama cancelled American missions, trump restarted them.
To be fair, Tom Kelly wasn't a politician. He was the lead engineer of the project to build the LM. The other engineers had the idea, and needed to show it would work, which they did. Of course, I'm pretty sure this scene was dreamed up by Hollywood.
@@jimmy2k4o If you're going to mock someone for ignoring what people are telling them, starting off by not listening and misrepresenting their position is a bad start.
@@owensims7491 gravity is so strong it holds all the water in the oceans but butterflies are so powerful they can break the bonds of gravity and fly wherever they want
This is one of my favorite lines from the movie! Too often in life we interpret something like, "I don't really see it" as a 'No!' They just need help 'seeing it.' 🙂
It's scenes like this that remind me that I made the right choice when I chose engineering as a profession. Solutions to problems may not be what you think, especially when the environment is not "normal". These problems are so fun to solve.
So MUCH fun ! Indeed 👍. More than HALF of my 45 year carrer in Product Design as a Structural Mechanical Designer was accomplished in "stealth" mode , results often sprung on Enginers in Design Review meetings , where they couldn't quash , without looking like an inept failure. Attributing the parts of the winning concept TO the struggling Engineer that looked most _like_ the input they'd offered , happily saved more than one Enginee'rs employment or departmental project . I was HAPPY to _do_ it , TOO ! They were good guys , all _trying_ , but without a good Designer , most of their BEST ideas remained just _that_ - good IDEAS , never to be translated into something that _successfully_ married Design parameter and requirements to practical reality , with MANUFACTURABILITY as a _practical_ result ! I loved what I did for a living , with a real passion for the work . More than once I'd have an Engineer pull me forward on a next contract , but I _really_ preferred helping to turn a Project Engiineer into a LEAD Engineer ! I knew_I'd_ do fine , no matter WHAT , it was GOOD Men and women who _deserved_ to progress , that I MOST enjoyed helping !
I always loved how the title of the mini series was taken from Jules Verne's book of the same name.... It gave a whole twist on the classic sic fiction story, turning into a docu drama of how it was actually done. Perhaps one day in the distant future, we may be binge watching a series dubbed Star Trek.... covering how humanity built and launched the first mission to another star system and/or began colonizing the solar system. Maybe it is far fetched, but considering what is on the horizon and how technology leaps forward it may not be so. We aren't even 20 years into this century and look at how much has been accomplished already. Considering where we were in 1917, how much had changed by 1964?
I remember reading an account by a mission control bloke at NASA for the Eagle landing. Apparently they could have family in to watch the historic occasion. He said that when the words "The Eagle has landed" came he turned to his father who was his guest and saw his dad was crying. So he asked what was wrong. His father said something like "I remember reading as a boy about the first flight of the Wright Brothers and here I am watching a man land on the Moon. And it all happened in my lifetime."
Mine too, this episode truly emphasized on the background crew - people that if things success they got the plaque but no fame, and if they screwed, they got the full blame.
One of favourite scenes in this entire series. The “Let’s help him see it..” line helped me so many times in my professional life, to take the positives from knock-backs at work and just keep on going with a good idea.
@@jasons2023Same here. I can watch Spider and That's All There Is continuously and not get bored. I think the weakest of the series would be the one covering Apollo 13, because it was covering a fictional drama (Emmett Seaborn getting shoved by younger talent) than the actual drama.
@@tiadaid On the other hand, you have to remember the production team had made Apollo 13 just a few years earlier. It would have been difficult for them to top anything from that movie, and so they chose to tell a story from a different perspective.
What a time that was. Project Apollo involved 400,000 people working at major contractors such as Boeing, North American Aviation, Douglas Aircraft Company, Rocketdyne, Grumman Aircraft Corporation, IBM, Motorola, MIT University and 20,000 other subcontractors. Much still had to be invented such as the Apollo Guidance Computer which was the first with ICs.
IBM SYSTEM/360 was release in 1964 and used IC's..The apollo Guidance computer was designed by MIT instrumentation lab in 1966, same team had previously used IC's in 1965 for the Interplanetary Monitoring Platform (on satelites)
My Dad was a Radar Guidance Engineer with GE at Redstone Arsenal with the Germans in the 50's and then got transferred to The Cape in '57. I grew up in Cocoa Beach and like to say I was raised on rockets. Seeing this scene and this movie really brings back memories, my late father looked just like these guys, lean and mean with a crew cut and short sleeved white shirts and wicked smart (a recently retired Aerospace Engineer with a large American defense contractor's Missile Systems company.
If you manage a team of engineers and ever look up and see the whole gang at your office door just know that either something amazing or amazingly stupid is about to happen.
What a great film. I grew up in the 60’s. I was 10 in 63 and hooked on the space program. Living in Clearwater Florida the Kennedy Space Center was just a few hours away and I badgered my dat to take me to the space shots. You wouldn’t believe how loud they were!
AMAZING 👍! I was in 9th grade , siting at my father's feet at a friend of my parents' when we FIRST sawthe Small step/Giant Leap and heard those magic words from Neil Armstrong , as he FIRST set foot on _another_ world ! We all cheered !!
8 out of 12 men on the moon were Navy. No sailor has ever been able to keep a secret longer than it took to walk from the mess decks back to the workspaces.
GRUMMAN AVIATION, now called NORTHROP GRUMMAN did a fantastic/outstabding job with the Lunar Module Capsule, it's no surprise to mee to see how everybody at GRUMMAN AVIATION did the same thing with the F-14 TOMCAT.
But the Astronauts themselves also helped with the design through practical testing, instead of four Generals spitballing ideas out of their collective asses.
@@cleekmaker00 the generals spitballing ideas out of their collective asses also didn't happen, it was both in the specifications of the army requirements for the bradley and the description of the design teams the features the vehicle would have, which was Never one of a transport vehicle turned frankenstein's tank. but of a light armored fighting vehicle, like the russian BMP series, but better armored. hell, in the design documents it's explicitly written that the bradley was required to withstand direct hits from the BMP1's cannon. the entirety of pentagon wars is fiction, it is damn amusing one, and i very much like the film and comedy. but nothing of what they show happened, except some of the names of the people involved.
Love the collaboration. One guy saw the solution and got the point across Been there myself at work. I'm not an engineer but offered my take on a problem and next thing you know, it solved a problem. Of course the engineers took the credit because a Grad 12 grad wasn't smart enough. Loved my moment
I've had similar experiences, such as doing embedded programming for a microprocessor-controlled video processor, I didn't know enough of the specific electronics to have designed it myself, but I spotted some mistakes they had made, and suggested a few improvements too.
@jonathan45278 You do realize that the Russians where able to track each Apollo mission. If there had been any discrepancy's, I'm sure we would of heard about it.
I believe we have the "real" men and women with the guts to try it...people who would LOVE to try it. The crying-ass shame of it is we don't have the congress willing to fund it. To put it another way: "No bucks, no Buck Rogers."
These engineers invented new hardware and technologies from scratch with a single goal in mind and they did it with a pencil, paper and a slide rule. Given what they invented with the tools they invented it with and now considering the massive computer technology we currently posses, we are decades behind where we should be. Where is the failing, in our wits or our imaginations? It has long been my belief that the moment we put down the slide rule and picked up the calculator, our imaginations we’re no longer needed for the nuts and bolts of science and therefore our imaginations were no longer present when we needed them for innovation.
@@marlow769 agree, Some people will not see it. It is very difficult to conceptually design via computer & CAD. The brain with a pencil has more freedom. The next step after the concept the computer can help.
The smaller, lighter triangular windows provide visibility left, right, and down, which is where you're looking if landing on the moon. Up is not a priority.
@jonathan45278 Incredibly easy to fake? W/out green screens, CGI, and other image changing tools, you say it was incredibly easy to fake? The footage the captured all the events was a camera made in the 60's, not the 21st century. What kind of picture were you expecting? HD at 1080p? And I've met Jim Lovell twice down in Houston in public areas so again you are wrong with saying none of the astronauts are in the public eye.
other problems they had: A hatch big enough for a space suit (since Apollo 9 all hatches are square) legs that break (the legs were replaced with aluminum) and the big one a computer the size of a briefcase (they had to solve the overload issue and on 11 it actually failed and Neal had to fly the LEM dead stick
Dead stick means the engine quit and the pilot is controlling the glide back down to the ground. It doesn't mean manual operation after autopilot failure. Pilots call the latter "hand flying." For the LEM, deadstick would mean free fall.
This is one of my favourite episodes along with the geologists field trip episode...... but the whole series is just brilliant and probably underrated as I have not met anyone who has seen these programs... which is a real shame...
@@skysurfer5cva yes I bought mine second hand, sort of by accident, what made me buy it was the fact it's about space a subject i am interested in as well as other sciences.... alas I'm so glad I bought it and its one of my favourite series that I cycle through time to time.... I must say, I find the series very up lifting, especially the episode with the geologists as the professor who gets involved reminds me of an english teacher I had.... looks like him too :) tom hanks did a really good job with the program, so credit to him.
I rememeber this. It's from "Spider" one of the best episodes of FETTM - a graphic illustration of how environment plus engineering nouse leads to design!
I have read it three times, it's one of the best books I know. It describes much of the details in the design and production of the lunar module. The title is Moon Lander: How We Developed the Apollo Lunar Module.
this comments section is an experience, 11year-old comments arguing against a moonlanding denier mixed with week- or day-old comments saying they watched the series yesterday
@jonathan45278 Sure it was difficult, the Russians couldn't pull it off in time. But as far as the state of film/video effects of the time, I would say it would have been much more difficult to fake than you might imagine. Watch a movie like "Fantastic Voyage" (1967) to see how clunky the process photography of the day looked. The 100+ effects shots in "2001" took months to do. Faking all the Apollo missions would require hours of footage of that caliber in 16mm, B&W and color TV. (more)
There's a TH-cam channel by a digital special effects company called Corridor Digital. They did 2 videos on how to fake the moon landing. One video showed how easily they could fake it with modern computer graphics. The second video showed how it could have been faked using technology of 1969, and the practical limitations of the time. I remember one part (I think it was when they launched back off the moon), where they showed the shadows and showed how far away the light source would need to be. They then went through the calculations to show how enormous the set would be so that you could use models to fake the launch and get the shadows correct. It would have been possible to fake the moon landing, but the technical requirements of being able to fake it so well would have made it more expensive to fake than to do it for real, and the effort to fake it would have been impossible to hide.
Whether its math, physics, astronomy, astrophysics, music or engineering most of the "great leaps ahead" in the 20 century were made by people in their 20's or very early 30's.When you are old enough to be trained or educated to a very high level but not enough to not be encumbered by convention with at least a hint of genius or virtuosity you find those who make breakthroughs.
And had, at most, a B.S. only. Nowadays, you can't even fill out an application at NASA with anything less than an Ph.D. And with all those magnificent Ph.D.s floating around there they couldn't tell one set of units from the other and slammed the Mars lander into the ground like a freaking V2. As one late-night comedian quipped, "Come on, this isn't Rocket Science...uh, I guess it is."
For one thing, it's been nearly 50 years, and several of the astronauts that landed on the moon are dead, or in their 80s. Also, as others have said, for photography, here's something anyone can do. Take a camera out, in the dead of night, take a picture of the moon, where the moon is properly exposed. Then use the exact same camera settings to take a picture of a constellation. How many stars can you see in that picture?
Have you ever tried seeing stars with heavy light pollution? Standing on the surface of the moon is like being on a snowbank, tons of glare reflecting up.
It wouldn't be like taking a picture of the moon from earth and then using the same exposure settings, it would be like taking a picture at noon and trying to see the stars, it the same reason planes that fly on the edge of space don't see the stars when they're on the day side too.
Sure didn't happen like that. No engineer in the 60's got to that level of construction or decision making with the boss without copious amounts of four letter words being exchanged between boss and engineers.
Awesome stuff. I think an Engineers mind is the 'war room'. Aerospace Engineer, studied strength of materials, applied physics in college. Having a blast designing custom food processing equipment for my small biz. At least 2 patents to be filed this year. Its only $140 for a 12-month Patent Pending. Built first prototype. Came up with solutions to each challenge. As so many other Engineers & sm biz owners have said "we just get stuff done"
I was just thinking that if the landing were faked, those guys at Gruman went through a lot of hard work to build a spacecraft that looks nothing like a spacecraft should but still performs like it should.
the 2D drawing should have been enough. if not, then just the window part so he could hold it up to his face and look through it. the problem was his lack of imagination.
@jonathan45278 And don't forget the hundreds of staged & posed 70mm Ektachrome stills, plus weeks of cockpit audio chatter that would have to be performed by, not actors, but test pilots. Try getting an amateur to read a 30 second radio script sometime if you don't think it's tough. Sure faking it was doable, but would that fake footage hold up 40 years later? This was also before any sort of digital compositing or animation, and the recording & editing of color video was truly in its infancy.
Asking for a solution then almost immediately dismissing it with nary an afterthought once provided is, unfortunately, the exact attitude one expects from those in management-type positions.
I disagree. By the fact that he listen to the idea and sat through the blackboard presentation of the idea show that he did consider the idea seriously. The only problem is that he simply can't see a way for the idea to be implemented. One have to remember that one of a project manager job is to ensure the product is within the requirement and needs of the project, which in this case, to aide the astronauts perform their task. Without the seat and space for the cockpit, the balance would be an issue, which mean the whole section need to be redesign. The manager probably can't see it being done without it affecting the astronauts ability to pilot, going over-budget and past the deadline of delivery. Which is why he said that the idea is interesting but he can't see how to implement it. Plus its a movie. They will of course shorten and simplify the actual discussion instead of showing you the whole thing, which may last for hours.
Great example of CAD (cardboard aided design)
They need more brackets.
@@marsgal42 I wonder how many will get the reference. For those that didn't check out Bad Obsession Motorsport's Project Binky which is a Terry Pratchett reference.
And cardboard turned out to be too heavy in the end.
@@longshot7601 Yes! Deaths horse. Lovely to see another fan, and you follow the boys at BOM too 👍
It's what in aircraft design circles called a mock -up !
"What if they don't need seats?"
Ryanair Chief Exec: "Write that down!"
ha ha ha ha
Actually, I saw concepts by airplane companies where passengers were standing. They yould cramp more people in that way, hence more money for them. Perhaps cheaper tickets for us.
@@Sonnell"Perhaps cheaper tickets for us".
That's a good one!
@@jamesboyle6134 tier 4 flight/trainride.... oh damn we already have tier 4 trainride, but pay for tier 2!
Maybe for short "hops".
"Legs are great shock absorbers " spoken like an engineer
they're great weight transfer devices too, on a motorbike
And good weapons when the engineers aren’t listening and require some ass kicking.
Engineers are notoriously f****** stupid.
@@GordonLFinch - Engineers are notoriously f**** lazy. FInd the laziest one for a project and in the end it will work for the lowest amount of time and money. IT may not look like a beauty queen when finished, but it will damn sure work.
@@jayrenner211
* until it breaks.
Which it will.
"Bob, how much do these windows weigh?"
"I dunno, a couple ounces."
"Bob"
"The real ones?"
I like Bob!
I love that part
The sarcasm in this episode is very Gen X. Unless these fellas are closet beatniks, it's anachronistic ... but fun!
I remember watching this during the first run, and that exchange always stuck with me. That, and the tennis balls on the roof.
Yeah, I heard what he said as well. But I don’t feel the need to repeat it.
I have been through this exact process several times in my career as an engineer. You are given an apparently impossible task and have to find a way to solve it. It always comes down to challenging base assumptions and building the tools you need to solve the problem. When you finally get it, it's a high like no other. :)
Um.....yes? That's what engineering is all about hahha.
Absolute incell response
Thinking sideways.
"When you finally get it, it's a high like no other."
Unless the design process and compromises have left you completely sick of the project. When it's finished you get drunk and wonder how you survived that engineering death march. I've been on that end of engineering spectrum. :-o
@@waynecampeau4566 So the guys 2 levels above you who started this political shenanigan basically effed over the entire company (or at least your division) just for their own egos?
Sounds very typical in today's engineering corporations.
"What if they don't need seats!? "
Fkn engineers man lol
Cue the engineer jokes. 🤣
Airline executives getting excited
I work as one. Trust me, that stuff gets thrown around a lot.
People expect gold to come from nothing but the shit they give you as goals and budgets. God, it sucks. You need to take some extreme, unorthodox methods some times. :p
The Soviet LK lander didn't have a seat either (only 1 pilot)
To quote one of the modern SpaceX Axioms, "The best part is NO PART."
That's a good leader right there. Proven wrong and says "cool, let's go with it."
+Jarin Udom Good leader yes, but it also takes great engineers to stand up and prove their point. If that tall dude did not press his point and "help him see it" and just accept his decision ... they would have never reached the Moon, regardless of leader's capabilities.
Jarin Udom - not really. He was rather obstinate and not curious enough regarding where the engineer was coming from. If he had listened the engineers would not have had to stay up all night in order to prove a simple point.
One of the many signs that you're working with a good leader is his ability to say I am wrong
@@Slarti Have you watched the whole episode? This team has a dozen balls in the air at once (as demonstrated by the fact he was reading some assessment when the engineer opens his office door), and dealing with crazy time constraints. Something as simple as indigestion could throw the manager off his game from time to time.
@@Slarti you have to remember this is a movie, with "plot vehicles" to move the story along. We may never know the actual story behind this issue. What is shown in a few minutes of storyline likely took a few months to hash out in real life
The "Legs are great shock absorber" is a really great line. As an engineer, its so fucking common to do these kinds of things. The sample bottle is too cold,"Well you are hot and your hands are a good conductor"
And then the product is shite…
@@DeathnoteBB mate I test stuff. I don't make any product
Laboratory flirting at its finest! :3
I worked for TRW Inc. back in the 1990's... the Best Engineer I ever met used to build complex gearboxes out of matchboxes, toothpicks and rubber bands. He didn't just play with them mind you, he had a plan formulated in his mind, wrote a QUICK rough draft of it on paper, and built from that.
After he worked out the bugs, it was up to the rest of us (Junior Engineers and Technical Staff) to go off the of the rough draft and WORKING model to come up with the Fabrication (R&D) Drawings.
I can only HOPE there are Engineers / Craftsmen like him out there today, still impressing the hell out of their team. Because I have no shame in telling you. I WAS SERIOUSLY IMPRESSED.
I'm two years late: but in answer to your question: and to help anyone thinking of engineering as a career, but not to upset TH-cam, so I won't post a link, if people have a look at "Nicolas Fremau, a hybrid architecture expert at Groupe Renault, lego" , yes models are still about and proving of great use.
And for people looking for a career in any technical field, you can have all the ideas, but if you can't articulate them, they will be for nothing. Drama and projecting yourself (by using props) are as important as the science you study, as Scout Sniper above elegantly demonstrates.
The designer of the Falkirk Wheel made a proof-of-concept model using his daughter's Lego.
Yeah , I spent a 45 year career as a Structural/Mchanical Designer , responsible for taking an Engineer's _dream_ and turning it into a MANUFACTURABLE reality . Even WITH a "working model" , if you couldn't manufacture it , it never became anything more than that - a working model . I had more fun "dealing" with the challenges and road-blocks than _most_ have their entire careers !
I used to do theater set designs in my mind and then call out all measurements the lumber and materials list just looking at my own visualization.
"Sir, do they need oxygen?"
"Yes. Yes, they need oxygen."
_opens door_
What if they don't need lungs?
If they didn't have lungs they wouldn't be breathing and wouldn't need oxygen in the first place!
@@BlueAerospace they can land with the brain, then launch and dock again with their lungs.
it's a joke,but probably fuel cell come out of it
Laughs in Apollo 1
One word to put all your questions at ease. Telemetry. When Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon and gave his famous "That's one small step..." comment, not only did engineers at Houston pick it up, but our Russian counterparts did as well. Every conspiracy theorist that I have ever encountered has always said, "all we have are grainy tv images as 'proof.'" Which is erroneous. And you're actually bass-ackwards with your thinking, it would have been easier to go to the moon than to fake it.
Biscuitchris7again way easier. All you gotta do is look at the dust flying behind the rovers driving on the moon. It is PHYSICALLY impossible to recreate the way the dust flew and settled, on earth. You can overcome a lot of things to fake it. Make em look like they are weightless bouncing around, blah blah, you could even put them in a giant vacuum chamber for realism but you can’t turn gravity off on earth and change physics of dirt and dust moving in a moon environment. It’s all the proof I’ll ever need that the landings are real. Any argument to the contrary is invalid and can be broken with just that one of thousands of pieces of proof.
Don’t waste your time thinking about the conspiracy theorists think, wasted brain energy.
And somewhere I've seen pictures from a Russian lunar rover taking a look at an Apollo landing site ...
Looks a bit of a mess - but yeah, they went alright.
@Libturds Suck Just trying to find it ... must have been from a while ago as it was quite grainy and black and white ... not that there's much in the way of color on the moon ....
@Libturds Suck Yep - you're right ! The Russian ones weren't even close to the Apollo sites !!
Could have sworn I'd seen it though !!!
love this whole sequence of the episode, where the viewer gets to not only see what all the idiosyncrasies of the LM are for, but also the iterative process of refining and refining a design to perfection, shaving away all unnecessary elements
Me coming up with a concept idea for my engineering boss
Me: "What do you think? "
Boss: "I don't know what I want but I know it's not that! "
Indeed 👍. More than HALF of my Product Design as a Structural Mechanical Designer was accomplished in "stealth" mode , results often sprung on Enginers in Design Review meetings , where they couldn't quash , without looking like an inept failure.
Attributing the parts of the winning concept TO the struggling Engineer that looked most _like_ what meager input they'd offered , happily saved more than one Enginee'rs employment or departmental project . I was HAPPY to _do_ it , TOO .
They were good guys , all _trying_ , but without a good Designer , most of their BEST ideas remained just _that_ - good IDEAS .
I loved what I did for a living , with a real passion for the work . More than once I'd have a n Engineer pull me forward on a next contract , but I _Really_ preferred helping to turn a Project Engiineer into a LEAD Engineer ! I knew_I'd_ do fine , no matter WHAT , it was GOOD Men and women who _deserved_ to progress , that I MOST enjoyed helping !
" How much do these windows weigh?", " Couple of ounces" LOL
lol 😂😂😂😂
The real ones?
@@leftcoaster67 An engineer's most hated answer are rough estimates in whole numbers in an inconvenient unit.
Actually, they were acetate so only a few grams.
"Bahb."
No insults, no going over anyone's head, just "Let's help him see it". That's NASA.
Actually, I think it was Grumman. They're the ones who built the lunar lander.
@@Hibernicus1968 Yeah good point.
thats 60's NASA, definitively not the guys that killed Challenger because "it has to launch"
Goal driven NASA VS. Program driven NASA. (See SLS)
More like that was nasa, now its just a mess of over spending and bureaucracy, sls is over budget and behind schedule while spacex is on schedule and under budget on a fundamentally better rocket
This fall... 2024, my son is going to college to be a mechanical engineer. Im soooo proud of him.
A few years back i was watching this whole mini series from start to finish. This was his favorite episode. He was soooo captivated by the engineering aspect of the space program. Building everything from the ground up out of pure (willy wonka) imagination
I wish I could say the same for my son, he's a complete lost cause.
One important sequence was when the LEM Landing Leg Pad failed during Testing, and the Engineer who did the calculations realized he had made a mistake. He told Tom Kelly, the LEM Project Manager for Grumman and showed him the mistake. And what did Kelly do? He told the Engineer to go home and get some rest, then come back when he was ready to work. Didn't fire him, or throw him off the Project. Kelly told him his mistake was a bad one, but applauded him for not trying to 'sweep it under the rug' and hide it. The Engineer took responsibility for his mistake, stood up and faced the fire.
That's what made this series so good; they told the story of Apollo from all angles and perspectives.
It must've been a great vindication and pride for the engineers when the Apollo program succeeded, to see their hard work deliver on the promise, and when the challenges seemed endless and impossible.
Not just the engineers. The astronauts, the families of everyone in the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo programs, and countless others. It really was an achievement for mankind.
@@archerpiperii2690 yeah, lots of divorces. Not great for families
@@kbanghart Indeed it was tough for the families as well.
@@kbanghart For some. A few have not only survived, but thrived. The Bormans overcame addiction and stayed together, and the Lovells are probably the brightest star among all NASA families. Heh, funny how both of the strongest NASA marriages came from the same Gemini (7) and Apollo (8) missions :P
@@k1productions87 that's true, I was just re-watching that episode of the series from the Earth to the Moon, actually. You're right about Gemini, but also remember the gemini duo of mcdivitt and white, there was divorce and then of course the tragedy of Ed in Apollo 1 and then Pat later took her life.
Grumman's Engineers were the best choice for the LEM project. They built it simple, durable and as ugly as possible.
I wonder what would have been built if Lockheed's Skunk Works got involved...
It would have been fast as hell and impossible to track on radar.
@@thomasschulz2167 ...and made out of titanium. No, you don't want to know how much the fuel costs.
From what I've read, Grumman wanted the contract to build the command module, lost that and was given the lunar module as a consolation prize. Their first attempt was so flawed they decided to start all over again; the second time they delivered a superb spacecraft. Then, one of the engineers started playing with a somewhat way-out-there idea: a plan to use the LM as a sort of space lifeboat. Nobody expected that to be needed, but when Apollo 13 had its accident, I'm sure Grumman was happy they had designed such a rugged, dependable ship.
@@bob1505 actually, that’s not quiet true. While it is a little heavier, it’s 5 times stronger. Meaning you need less. So it actually works out the same. But for what they needed, aluminum was easier and cheaper to work with.
We’d still be using it.
This was hands down my favorite episode
I thought this was a comedy when they removed the seats, when I realized this was actually what they did I almost died
There are no seats on the ISS, you don't need them. With moon gravity 1/7th of Earth, they were correct.
@@namelesscynic16161/6th not 1/7th. But what’s even more amazing is how Apollo 11 nearly ran out of fuel looking for a good place to land. Something validating the need for astronauts to see where they’re going!
Please don’t die over something like that!
A great example of the value, in engineering, of questioning things we’re inclined to take for granted. Especially when it comes to microgravity environments.
I liked how the young kid, who re-checked his work after the test failures, knows his ass is on the line, yet goes to Tom Kelly, right away, with what happened. Kelly knew the kid made a mistake...we are all human, but recognized his integrity, at immediately coming forward with it. Good call, Mr. Kelly.
I remember learning this lesson as a kid. I did the pinewood derby in scouts and most kids used the standard kit. But the rules don’t require that - just needed to be within certain dimensions and weights. So I used different materials. Some kids accused me of cheating when I won, but they just hadn’t taken advantage of the possibilities.
"Hey. lets help him see it" - a method to kick science back into politicians minds.
Doesn't work well with the current republicans. 2020...
@@roberth.5363 as opposed
to the democrats who have given up believing in biological sex.
Please tell us how unscientific we are.... obama cancelled American missions, trump restarted them.
@@roberth.5363 go fork yourself...
To be fair, Tom Kelly wasn't a politician. He was the lead engineer of the project to build the LM. The other engineers had the idea, and needed to show it would work, which they did. Of course, I'm pretty sure this scene was dreamed up by Hollywood.
@@jimmy2k4o If you're going to mock someone for ignoring what people are telling them, starting off by not listening and misrepresenting their position is a bad start.
I bet the LEM crews were so hopped up for the landing, they would have been standing anyway.
They never went to the moon
@@SoulforSale Are you about to start in on the 'fake moon landing' stuff?
Cos I'm going to get cross if you are...
@@owensims7491 the Earth is flat
@@SoulforSale sarcasm is hard to detect in written comments. Are you, in fact, serious?
@@owensims7491 gravity is so strong it holds all the water in the oceans but butterflies are so powerful they can break the bonds of gravity and fly wherever they want
This is one of my favorite lines from the movie! Too often in life we interpret something like, "I don't really see it" as a 'No!' They just need help 'seeing it.' 🙂
This is my favorite episode of the series. Did entertaining job of revealing the process of engineering.
More than that--simple innovation and overcoming the stiff-necked 'in charge' types
It's scenes like this that remind me that I made the right choice when I chose engineering as a profession. Solutions to problems may not be what you think, especially when the environment is not "normal". These problems are so fun to solve.
So MUCH fun ! Indeed 👍. More than HALF of my 45 year carrer in Product Design as a Structural Mechanical Designer was accomplished in "stealth" mode , results often sprung on Enginers in Design Review meetings , where they couldn't quash , without looking like an inept failure.
Attributing the parts of the winning concept TO the struggling Engineer that looked most _like_ the input they'd offered , happily saved more than one Enginee'rs employment or departmental project . I was HAPPY to _do_ it , TOO !
They were good guys , all _trying_ , but without a good Designer , most of their BEST ideas remained just _that_ - good IDEAS , never to be translated into something that _successfully_ married Design parameter and requirements to practical reality , with MANUFACTURABILITY as a _practical_ result !
I loved what I did for a living , with a real passion for the work .
More than once I'd have an Engineer pull me forward on a next contract , but I _really_ preferred helping to turn a Project Engiineer into a LEAD Engineer ! I knew_I'd_ do fine , no matter WHAT , it was GOOD Men and women who _deserved_ to progress , that I MOST enjoyed helping !
I always loved how the title of the mini series was taken from Jules Verne's book of the same name.... It gave a whole twist on the classic sic fiction story, turning into a docu drama of how it was actually done. Perhaps one day in the distant future, we may be binge watching a series dubbed Star Trek.... covering how humanity built and launched the first mission to another star system and/or began colonizing the solar system. Maybe it is far fetched, but considering what is on the horizon and how technology leaps forward it may not be so. We aren't even 20 years into this century and look at how much has been accomplished already. Considering where we were in 1917, how much had changed by 1964?
I remember reading an account by a mission control bloke at NASA for the Eagle landing. Apparently they could have family in to watch the historic occasion. He said that when the words "The Eagle has landed" came he turned to his father who was his guest and saw his dad was crying. So he asked what was wrong. His father said something like "I remember reading as a boy about the first flight of the Wright Brothers and here I am watching a man land on the Moon. And it all happened in my lifetime."
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@@JohnJ469 - BEAUTIFUL _story_ , of a time that will NEVER _AGAIN_ be re-experienced in history !
My favorite episode of the series.
SCE2AUX2 Mine too !
Mine as well.
It's a good account of engineering in action.
My fav too.
Mine too, this episode truly emphasized on the background crew - people that if things success they got the plaque but no fame, and if they screwed, they got the full blame.
One of favourite scenes in this entire series.
The “Let’s help him see it..” line helped me so many times in my professional life, to take the positives from knock-backs at work and just keep on going with a good idea.
Yeah, the problem here wasn't that it was a bad idea, it was that the man with the suit didn't like the idea.
This episode ("Spider") was my favorite of the mini-series. Everything...from the soundtrack to the actors to the narrative time-line...was perfect.
Same, "That's All There Is" is my second favorite.
@@jasons2023Same here. I can watch Spider and That's All There Is continuously and not get bored.
I think the weakest of the series would be the one covering Apollo 13, because it was covering a fictional drama (Emmett Seaborn getting shoved by younger talent) than the actual drama.
@@tiadaid On the other hand, you have to remember the production team had made Apollo 13 just a few years earlier. It would have been difficult for them to top anything from that movie, and so they chose to tell a story from a different perspective.
What a time that was. Project Apollo involved 400,000 people working at major contractors such as Boeing, North American Aviation, Douglas Aircraft Company, Rocketdyne, Grumman Aircraft Corporation, IBM, Motorola, MIT University and 20,000 other subcontractors.
Much still had to be invented such as the Apollo Guidance Computer which was the first with ICs.
A _MAGICAL_ time in our history , for SURE !
IBM SYSTEM/360 was release in 1964 and used IC's..The apollo Guidance computer was designed by MIT instrumentation lab in 1966, same team had previously used IC's in 1965 for the Interplanetary Monitoring Platform (on satelites)
My Dad was a Radar Guidance Engineer with GE at Redstone Arsenal with the Germans in the 50's and then got transferred to The Cape in '57. I grew up in Cocoa Beach and like to say I was raised on rockets. Seeing this scene and this movie really brings back memories, my late father looked just like these guys, lean and mean with a crew cut and short sleeved white shirts and wicked smart (a recently retired Aerospace Engineer with a large American defense contractor's Missile Systems company.
If you manage a team of engineers and ever look up and see the whole gang at your office door just know that either something amazing or amazingly stupid is about to happen.
What a great film. I grew up in the 60’s. I was 10 in 63 and hooked on the space program. Living in Clearwater Florida the Kennedy Space Center was just a few hours away and I badgered my dat to take me to the space shots. You wouldn’t believe how loud they were!
AMAZING 👍! I was in 9th grade , siting at my father's feet at a friend of my parents' when we FIRST sawthe Small step/Giant Leap and heard those magic words from Neil Armstrong , as he FIRST set foot on _another_ world ! We all cheered !!
I'd also point out that triangular windows are structurally stronger.
Well, one did blow out in testing.
Stronger than the efficiency of circular ? Asking , _interested_ 👍.
8 out of 12 men on the moon were Navy. No sailor has ever been able to keep a secret longer than it took to walk from the mess decks back to the workspaces.
The engineering aspect is fun but man the acting and the writing and the filmmaking is hard to appreciate.
What, ya don't like wooden acting that revolves around spouting soundbites?
@@InfernosReaper Stop being Marvel newbie
One of my favorite scenes from my favorite episode in the series
GRUMMAN AVIATION, now called NORTHROP GRUMMAN did a fantastic/outstabding job with the Lunar Module Capsule, it's no surprise to mee to see how everybody at GRUMMAN AVIATION did the same thing with the F-14 TOMCAT.
Now all we need are some tiny astronauts....
"Pentagon Wars" vibe intensifies
th-cam.com/video/gmuVYVREGgE/w-d-xo.html
Though i imagine more historically accurate than that.
But the Astronauts themselves also helped with the design through practical testing, instead of four Generals spitballing ideas out of their collective asses.
@@cleekmaker00 the generals spitballing ideas out of their collective asses also didn't happen, it was both in the specifications of the army requirements for the bradley and the description of the design teams the features the vehicle would have, which was Never one of a transport vehicle turned frankenstein's tank. but of a light armored fighting vehicle, like the russian BMP series, but better armored. hell, in the design documents it's explicitly written that the bradley was required to withstand direct hits from the BMP1's cannon. the entirety of pentagon wars is fiction, it is damn amusing one, and i very much like the film and comedy. but nothing of what they show happened, except some of the names of the people involved.
@@killian9314 The Bradley APC. Armored Personnel Coffin.
This is my favorite sequence from the entire series.
It was scenes like this that made me want to be an engineer. Now I can make stuff like this for Spirit and Ryan Air.
Wot Cargo boxes? surely not a passenger airframe.
NASA had them sit in soiled nappies for 9 days.🙌
Most of this scene was cut from the episode I have- great to see, thanks for the upload
Love the collaboration.
One guy saw the solution and got the point across
Been there myself at work.
I'm not an engineer but offered my take on a problem and next thing you know, it solved a problem.
Of course the engineers took the credit because a Grad 12 grad wasn't smart enough.
Loved my moment
I've had similar experiences, such as doing embedded programming for a microprocessor-controlled video processor, I didn't know enough of the specific electronics to have designed it myself, but I spotted some mistakes they had made, and suggested a few improvements too.
I can _RELATE_ ! Imagine doing what you describe for a LIVING !! I _loved_ EVERY minute of a 45-year career doing JUST what you describe !
@jonathan45278 You do realize that the Russians where able to track each Apollo mission. If there had been any discrepancy's, I'm sure we would of heard about it.
Unless they were in collusion.
@@tr4480 Collusion? They much preferred to Nuke each other during that era
@@tr4480 That silly statement needs a good shave with Occam's Razor.
You can imagine their reaction to Apollo 13, a lot of WTF happening among the observers.
Think of what they could have done with design software, CAM and 3-D printing
Just think what we could do now.if we had real men with the.guts to try .
It is not about the tools. It's all about the skills and efforts.of the master craftsman.
I believe we have the "real" men and women with the guts to try it...people who would LOVE to try it. The crying-ass shame of it is we don't have the congress willing to fund it.
To put it another way: "No bucks, no Buck Rogers."
These engineers invented new hardware and technologies from scratch with a single goal in mind and they did it with a pencil, paper and a slide rule. Given what they invented with the tools they invented it with and now considering the massive computer technology we currently posses, we are decades behind where we should be.
Where is the failing, in our wits or our imaginations?
It has long been my belief that the moment we put down the slide rule and picked up the calculator, our imaginations we’re no longer needed for the nuts and bolts of science and therefore our imaginations were no longer present when we needed them for innovation.
@@marlow769 agree, Some people will not see it. It is very difficult to conceptually design via computer & CAD. The brain with a pencil has more freedom. The next step after the concept the computer can help.
The smaller, lighter triangular windows provide visibility left, right, and down, which is where you're looking if landing on the moon. Up is not a priority.
Absolutely one of the best mini series ever made!
@jonathan45278 Incredibly easy to fake? W/out green screens, CGI, and other image changing tools, you say it was incredibly easy to fake? The footage the captured all the events was a camera made in the 60's, not the 21st century. What kind of picture were you expecting? HD at 1080p? And I've met Jim Lovell twice down in Houston in public areas so again you are wrong with saying none of the astronauts are in the public eye.
I met Borman and Armstrong too. Ran into Armstrong in the Cincinnati airport in 2009.
That’s one of the best sequences in the entire series from one of the best episodes.
I like how there is no animosity between them after the initial rejection. Total pros.
This episode was a very entertaining take on how the LEM was developed
that had to be one of the most Exciting times to have worked for NASA as an engeneer
Love Bob's reply.
Not to mention, by having the astronauts stand, they lose the weight of the seats and save the space they would have taken up.
one plus to this is they saved the weight of both windows and seats. bonus
Out of all the episodes this was my favorite.
other problems they had: A hatch big enough for a space suit (since Apollo 9 all hatches are square) legs that break (the legs were replaced with aluminum) and the big one a computer the size of a briefcase (they had to solve the overload issue and on 11 it actually failed and Neal had to fly the LEM dead stick
Dead stick means the engine quit and the pilot is controlling the glide back down to the ground. It doesn't mean manual operation after autopilot failure. Pilots call the latter "hand flying." For the LEM, deadstick would mean free fall.
If you're really interested to know what happened on Apollo 11, invest 80 minutes watching th-cam.com/video/B1J2RMorJXM/w-d-xo.html.
I like he said "help him see it" and not "make him see it"
Grant Shaud is awesome!! Loved him as Miles Silverberg in "Murphy Brown".
Thank you, I was trying to figure out why that guy looked familiar.
This was my favorite episode from this series...
My favourite episode of the entire series.
This is one of my favourite episodes along with the geologists field trip episode...... but the whole series is just brilliant and probably underrated as I have not met anyone who has seen these programs... which is a real shame...
I own the DVD set and watch it at least once a year.
@@skysurfer5cva yes I bought mine second hand, sort of by accident, what made me buy it was the fact it's about space a subject i am interested in as well as other sciences.... alas I'm so glad I bought it and its one of my favourite series that I cycle through time to time.... I must say, I find the series very up lifting, especially the episode with the geologists as the professor who gets involved reminds me of an english teacher I had.... looks like him too :) tom hanks did a really good job with the program, so credit to him.
12 year video in my recommend. Thanks YT algorithm
was the cheezy sax really needed? of course yes
“Because Engineers Can Just About Do Anything.”
Thanks Mr. Phelps
Good, fast, cheap...pick any two.
Yes, we can! ;)
@@linuspoindexter106 And the motto of the Apollo program was "Waste anything but time". So we got good and fast.
Engineers, fixing problems you never knew existed in ways you'll never understand.
Great to see this as an engineering student
This is back when people conducted themselves like adults and not hysterical children.
They cut the scene where two men held hands walking down the street and the entire town had a meltdown. Wild times
@@NaatClark This was made before Netflix invaded the world
That and the math was done with slide rules. 😮
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Can't blame Netflix for how the world has turned out. That's just silly. If you wanna blame a platform, then blame Facebook.
@@somerandomguy4240 Netflix is still garbage.
I rememeber this. It's from "Spider" one of the best episodes of FETTM - a graphic illustration of how environment plus engineering nouse leads to design!
I love this clip; I love how a team can work the problem.
And they don't scream at each other.
@@dmutant2635 And skip sleeping
Have you ever read Tom Kelly's book? Good stuff.
CusterApollo ill have to check it out
I have read it three times, it's one of the best books I know. It describes much of the details in the design and production of the lunar module. The title is Moon Lander: How We Developed the Apollo Lunar Module.
Thanks for the book suggestion from 11 years ago
this comments section is an experience, 11year-old comments arguing against a moonlanding denier mixed with week- or day-old comments saying they watched the series yesterday
what is the name of the series
@@fredpurri5840 From The Earth To The Moon
All the design......all the planning. A slide rule and a pencil......and I guess some cardboard too.
@jonathan45278 Sure it was difficult, the Russians couldn't pull it off in time. But as far as the state of film/video effects of the time, I would say it would have been much more difficult to fake than you might imagine. Watch a movie like "Fantastic Voyage" (1967) to see how clunky the process photography of the day looked. The 100+ effects shots in "2001" took months to do. Faking all the Apollo missions would require hours of footage of that caliber in 16mm, B&W and color TV. (more)
There's a TH-cam channel by a digital special effects company called Corridor Digital. They did 2 videos on how to fake the moon landing. One video showed how easily they could fake it with modern computer graphics. The second video showed how it could have been faked using technology of 1969, and the practical limitations of the time.
I remember one part (I think it was when they launched back off the moon), where they showed the shadows and showed how far away the light source would need to be. They then went through the calculations to show how enormous the set would be so that you could use models to fake the launch and get the shadows correct.
It would have been possible to fake the moon landing, but the technical requirements of being able to fake it so well would have made it more expensive to fake than to do it for real, and the effort to fake it would have been impossible to hide.
This episode was a love letter to the pocket protector
Great episode.
This was probably my favorite episode of the series, but of course I’m an engineer 😂
Spider was the best episode in the entire series.
I legit thought that was Rick moranis that is why I clicked . I was like he wasn't in from the earth to the moon .. was he ??
Most of these engineers were in their 20's.
Whether its math, physics, astronomy, astrophysics, music or engineering most of the "great leaps ahead" in the 20 century were made by people in their 20's or very early 30's.When you are old enough to be trained or educated to a very high level but not enough to not be encumbered by convention with at least a hint of genius or virtuosity you find those who make breakthroughs.
And had, at most, a B.S. only. Nowadays, you can't even fill out an application at NASA with anything less than an Ph.D. And with all those magnificent Ph.D.s floating around there they couldn't tell one set of units from the other and slammed the Mars lander into the ground like a freaking V2. As one late-night comedian quipped, "Come on, this isn't Rocket Science...uh, I guess it is."
My cat has four coilover gas charged high performance shock absorbers with a reactionary vertical trip mechanism.
For one thing, it's been nearly 50 years, and several of the astronauts that landed on the moon are dead, or in their 80s.
Also, as others have said, for photography, here's something anyone can do. Take a camera out, in the dead of night, take a picture of the moon, where the moon is properly exposed. Then use the exact same camera settings to take a picture of a constellation. How many stars can you see in that picture?
Have you ever tried seeing stars with heavy light pollution? Standing on the surface of the moon is like being on a snowbank, tons of glare reflecting up.
It wouldn't be like taking a picture of the moon from earth and then using the same exposure settings, it would be like taking a picture at noon and trying to see the stars, it the same reason planes that fly on the edge of space don't see the stars when they're on the day side too.
Mostra bem o porque do modulo lunar ter uma aparencia tao estranha. Fantastica obra de engenharia.
Sure didn't happen like that. No engineer in the 60's got to that level of construction or decision making with the boss without copious amounts of four letter words being exchanged between boss and engineers.
And lots of cigarettes.
@@codetech5598 Ohhh yes, cut through the smoke with a knife in some drafting rooms.
4 letter word started with "S" as "Sure"?!
@@codetech5598 Naw, can't have smoking in movies now. Maybe for X-rated, but that's all.
@@kerryedavis Yep, can't show smoking... 0:37 in th-cam.com/video/erw1mpwK8nY/w-d-xo.html
"do they need seats?"
for a second, i thought i was watching a ryanair think tank lol
My teacher played this is class and i love it. I love space so much
You should check out Apollo 11 by NEON/ CNN Films. It's amazing.
Awesome stuff. I think an Engineers mind is the 'war room'. Aerospace Engineer, studied strength of materials, applied physics in college. Having a blast designing custom food processing equipment for my small biz. At least 2 patents to be filed this year. Its only $140 for a 12-month Patent Pending. Built first prototype. Came up with solutions to each challenge. As so many other Engineers & sm biz owners have said "we just get stuff done"
I was just thinking that if the landing were faked, those guys at Gruman went through a lot of hard work to build a spacecraft that looks nothing like a spacecraft should but still performs like it should.
I'm an undergraduated test engineer and nerver had formal CAD training.
Solved problems like this countless times.
the 2D drawing should have been enough. if not, then just the window part so he could hold it up to his face and look through it. the problem was his lack of imagination.
Refreshing seeing people work without marketing and bean counters getting in the way.
Building the full scale cardboard mockup was brilliant.
@jonathan45278 And don't forget the hundreds of staged & posed 70mm Ektachrome stills, plus weeks of cockpit audio chatter that would have to be performed by, not actors, but test pilots. Try getting an amateur to read a 30 second radio script sometime if you don't think it's tough.
Sure faking it was doable, but would that fake footage hold up 40 years later? This was also before any sort of digital compositing or animation, and the recording & editing of color video was truly in its infancy.
One of my favorite clips.
Definitely.
Asking for a solution then almost immediately dismissing it with nary an afterthought once provided is, unfortunately, the exact attitude one expects from those in management-type positions.
I disagree. By the fact that he listen to the idea and sat through the blackboard presentation of the idea show that he did consider the idea seriously. The only problem is that he simply can't see a way for the idea to be implemented.
One have to remember that one of a project manager job is to ensure the product is within the requirement and needs of the project, which in this case, to aide the astronauts perform their task. Without the seat and space for the cockpit, the balance would be an issue, which mean the whole section need to be redesign. The manager probably can't see it being done without it affecting the astronauts ability to pilot, going over-budget and past the deadline of delivery. Which is why he said that the idea is interesting but he can't see how to implement it.
Plus its a movie. They will of course shorten and simplify the actual discussion instead of showing you the whole thing, which may last for hours.
Matt Craven was great as Tom Kelly. Anyone know the other actors in this segment ?
Kerbal Space Program.
Starfleet engineers when designing tactical stations, be like: "No seats?! I LOVE that idea!"
This is why the Soviets would never have gotten to the Moon. The engineer that proved him wrong would wind up in a gulag. Seriously..
Yup. Korolev himself did time in the gulag.
That episode is the reason why I'm went into engineer at university and I will be an ingeneer in the next years
And how is that compare to what you think it is. Lol🤣