@@painterman235 I think Rice v. Connolly [1966] 2 QB 414: Establishes that refusal to answer police questions or assist in their inquiries * does not in itself * constitute obstruction. And/But, PACE Code A, Paragraph 2.2: provides that: "Reasonable grounds for suspicion depend on the information available to the officer and the individual’s behavior. Suspicion must be based on facts, information, and/or intelligence which are relevant to the likelihood of finding the item sought." Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, Section 23: "A constable may search any person suspected of having controlled drugs in their possession." So ‘I think’ this is how the grounds work? Of course I am no expert in law.
So he was about to walk off, then you spoke to him, then all of a sudden he suspects you of having drugs for talking to him, what a effing corrupt clown
Obviously no valid reason for what they did, but I must say that does look like the kind of area where if you were into drugs, you'd know where to get them
Right, isn't it obvious that these type of youtubers intentionally try to look iffy, so they get interactions like this for youtube? I like watching them too, but it's obvious this is what they want. My guess is, if we saw it from their angle and 5-10mins before, it'd look like he was watching them and trying to look like he was avoiding them as in intentionally trying to look shifty.
Avoiding police? As soon as they worked out Reggie, they couldn't walk away fast enough. Remember coppers. There are more of us than there is of you. Be very careful in your next moves.
true but its not just these 2 individuals its police officers as a whole overwhelmingly dont understand yet that they cant just detain people randomly (a small percentage obviously seek to do their jobs to the best of their ability just like with any job), that there are very specific circumstances for it, and thats why auditing, done properly, is a must and not just some weirdo activity like most ppl see it as. maybe im naïve and they do know they shouldnt be detaining people without set in stone grounds and they just know theyve been getting away with it for decades so its the easiest way to do their job, but i think a lot of them genuinely dont know the law as well
@@ItsEasyJustLift I think the majority just simply don't know the law and aren't well trained. They also have a general sense of impunity and don't worry about consequences of doing something wrong. Then, in my view, you get the much more dangerous ones who actually do know the law yet chose to wilfully abuse and misuse it for their own purposes. This adds a level of deviancy and malicious intent which is missing from from the ignorant ones which don't know the law, which is bad enough in its own right. The quality of policing has absolutely nose-dived in the UK over the last couple decades. We're at an all time low, civil rights have been assaulted, police powers massively expanded, and not to be such a pessimist, but I only see it getting continuously worse over time.
I think it’s pretty basic stuff with searches, it just cant be based on a hunch. It has to be something tangible. He might have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for that pesky law (pace) they made forty years ago,😊.
Walking away from them are grounds Walking passed them are grounds Making eye contact is grounds Looking away are grounds Being in the area is grounds Leaving the area are grounds
So if I pass away outside and they come up to me since I will be somewhat stiff and unable to move will these be grounds for detainment because I am hanging around the area likely being anti social ?
I hate the police like the rest of us, but the behaviour seemed suspicious enough to warrant a search, as much as a 'coincidence' as the wrong direction was. We all know he does this on purpose.
@@geoffcarlton4047 Firstly, the 'rest of us' DON'T hate the Police. We want them to act professionally. Just that. Secondly, constable, there were no grounds for the search. Walking away, or not wanting to speak to the police, should not be a detainable action.
@@geoffcarlton4047I agree , but suspicion isn’t a crime, I’m suspicious of lots of police and idiots but don’t mean I can put citizens arrest on them , not arguing with you bro🫡👍
5:52 Regie stated, I don't do drugs." Plod responded "I know," then it continued to search, blatantly abusing police powers and violating Reggie's rights.
I'd guess in the polices defence, you don't need to do drugs to have them on you. Still a bit weird how quick it turned from "have a nice day" to "I'm searching you" though.
His demeanour is irrelevant. He abused his powers. His colleague supports the badge of devision. Both were not professional or he would not have done it. He had nothing better to do. Young and trained to be authoritarian.
Polite cops , so what , a lot of psychopaths are very polite and hide behind their manners . Reggie thank you for showing us how we are controlled and bullied . ❤
Walking away from police is not sufficient grounds to suspect any sort of unlawful behaviour. They are grounds on which to believe the member of the public did not want to be inconvenienced by some BS unlawful made-up search by the police. "The whole demeanour" - what he means by that is that he tends to punish people that don't lick his boots - by using the process of the search as the punishment. Reggie did not have slurred speech. He was walking in a co-ordinated way. He is not a known drug user or dealer. An area being relatively high for a certain type of crime is not sufficient reasonable grounds to do fishing searches. All in all, another claim for compensation via HNK. This might be a relatively low amount of compensation, due to it being a quick search. But even so - we all know that he searched you for completely unlawful reasons. Police earning the hate - yet again.
So for changing direction walking in a street and not wanting to talk to the police means you can be searched for drugs then? This is absolutely bonkers. I hope you take these clowns to the cleaners Reggie.
Who told you that, absolutely untrue,they must have reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime,mere suspicion is an opinion, nothing more, nothing less, it's here say.@@ronmccullock1407
If it's a high crime area! Do your job your paid to do! Instead of sitting in your cars all day doing nothing, Waiting to jump the queue in the shops to get your scram...
Imagine that walking away from a constable is grounds for a search, which items would it indicate the person was carrying? How could they possibly know that Misuse of Drugs Act is the right legislation?
Simply walking around in that neighborhood makes you a suspected criminal…yet the residents can walk around without being accosted? So really the police are protecting the criminals??
100% HE SHOULD SUE THEM BOTH IN CIVIL COURT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND THE FORCE THEY WORK FOR FOR NOT TRAINING THEM CORRECTLY AS THEY OPENLY ADMIT TO THEIR OWN CRIMES AND PROFESSIONAL CORRUPT FAILINGS.... ALL ON FILM X
His grounds are worthy of a comic sketch-is it his first day in uniform? What is obvious is that he has no idea about any guidelines . Please, can we have a trophy sent to the station for this fool-he gets 1st prize for 2024 even in May.
The police officers were friendly enough but overstepped their powers. Being suspicious or having the wrong demenour is not grounds for a search. This illegal search should be referred to the ICPO.
I've just done a quick search on Blackpool crime rates. The crime rate is 97% higher than other towns in Lancashire making it the county's most dangerous town. In 2023 there were 10,388 violent or sexual crimes and 2283 reports of criminal damage. There are also several unsolved murders in the town. Looking at these two constables we can clearly see why.
I’m glad you mentioned unsolved murders in the town. I used to work with a guy who lived in a town near Blackpool. I thought he was exaggerating when he told us about there being lots of murders in Blackpool. Particularly of homeless men and drug addicts found in alley ways but not many of the murders were solved!
There seems to be confusion between discrete (separate, divided) as in the order and discreet (secretive, not openly) as discussed by you and the officers. Senior police management at fault again.
“You walked away from me, so now I’m allowed to search you for drugs!” Do we live in a police state?! Please, PLEASE, put in a claim against these absolute clowns…
Sue them both, the chief constable and the PCC, for unlawful detainment, assault and battery, its the only way these thugs in uniform will learn, in addition, its about time these rogue's were hit in their own pocket, maybe then they will abide by the law, currently the tax payer pays up for these total clowns who think they can abuse the public without loss of their own earnings, ive already written to my MP, as a similar thing happened to me, resulting in a £5,000 pay out, come on Chief Constables and the PCC, GET A GRIP.
So he just gets to shake you down then you have to listen to 20 minutes of copsplaining and “are you having a good day?”What a ridiculous situation. THEY DONT GET TO VIOLATE EVERYONE IN A “HIGH DRUG” AREA! A polite, lying tyrant is still a tyrant.
please take them to court as a civil claim over this- its simply been "we want to stop you under anything we have made up because you don't want to speak to us" this is outrageous. that young copper is on a power trip and is a future wayne couzens- imagine this being a single woman been harrassed
Not wanting to interact with the police is now a detainable offence
But in court will it stand NO
Always has been ..
Suggest you look at case law .. Rice v Connoly .. and others
@@user-eu7hg7ds4o always has been...used as an excuse by policce to overstep and abuse the public
@@painterman235 I think Rice v. Connolly [1966] 2 QB 414: Establishes that refusal to answer police questions or assist in their inquiries * does not in itself * constitute obstruction.
And/But,
PACE Code A, Paragraph 2.2: provides that: "Reasonable grounds for suspicion depend on the information available to the officer and the individual’s behavior. Suspicion must be based on facts, information, and/or intelligence which are relevant to the likelihood of finding the item sought."
Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, Section 23: "A constable may search any person suspected of having controlled drugs in their possession."
So ‘I think’ this is how the grounds work?
Of course I am no expert in law.
So he was about to walk off, then you spoke to him, then all of a sudden he suspects you of having drugs for talking to him, what a effing corrupt clown
He encouraged them and they fell for it.
@@stepbackandthink like a carp hoovering up boilies.
Obviously no valid reason for what they did, but I must say that does look like the kind of area where if you were into drugs, you'd know where to get them
As if you let him search you
the state of the UK police force is so low now its a joke!
2:00 "No worries mate. Have a nice day."
2:50 "So, under section 23..."
That is insane.
🎯
Spot on
Moral of the story, never visit the UK.
Or get out as soon as you can, I have plans
@@vinnylee878 Go where?
@@v4skunk739 Japan
😢😂😂
@@vinnylee878become an immigrant.
to avoid the police is not an offence what a plonker the pair of them
They're not saying it's an offence. They're saying it's grounds for reasonable suspicion. SPOILER ALERT: It isn't.
Right, isn't it obvious that these type of youtubers intentionally try to look iffy, so they get interactions like this for youtube? I like watching them too, but it's obvious this is what they want. My guess is, if we saw it from their angle and 5-10mins before, it'd look like he was watching them and trying to look like he was avoiding them as in intentionally trying to look shifty.
Avoiding police?
As soon as they worked out Reggie, they couldn't walk away fast enough.
Remember coppers. There are more of us than there is of you.
Be very careful in your next moves.
If it's a high crime area for drugs? Obviously they're not doing their job in getting rid of the drug dealers. These cops are not fit for purpose...
It’s probably not even true anyway. Just an easy excuse same as “we’ve had lots of burglaries in the area” so they can search under S1 of PACE
Did you see the varied selection of people walking in the area? High crime area?
Disgraceful behaviour from those constables
true but its not just these 2 individuals its police officers as a whole overwhelmingly dont understand yet that they cant just detain people randomly (a small percentage obviously seek to do their jobs to the best of their ability just like with any job), that there are very specific circumstances for it, and thats why auditing, done properly, is a must and not just some weirdo activity like most ppl see it as.
maybe im naïve and they do know they shouldnt be detaining people without set in stone grounds and they just know theyve been getting away with it for decades so its the easiest way to do their job, but i think a lot of them genuinely dont know the law as well
@@ItsEasyJustLift I think the majority just simply don't know the law and aren't well trained. They also have a general sense of impunity and don't worry about consequences of doing something wrong. Then, in my view, you get the much more dangerous ones who actually do know the law yet chose to wilfully abuse and misuse it for their own purposes. This adds a level of deviancy and malicious intent which is missing from from the ignorant ones which don't know the law, which is bad enough in its own right.
The quality of policing has absolutely nose-dived in the UK over the last couple decades. We're at an all time low, civil rights have been assaulted, police powers massively expanded, and not to be such a pessimist, but I only see it getting continuously worse over time.
I think it’s pretty basic stuff with searches, it just cant be based on a hunch. It has to be something tangible.
He might have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for that pesky law (pace) they made forty years ago,😊.
Disgraceful how? He’s out of his head and they want to protect the general public?
I don’t see anyone out of their head, except the dopy constables.
Guilty unto proven innocent.
*until
A easy PAY OUT.NO GROUNDS FOR A SEARCH…
These to need to be held accountable. You need to Sue on false allegations...
Walking away from them are grounds
Walking passed them are grounds
Making eye contact is grounds
Looking away are grounds
Being in the area is grounds
Leaving the area are grounds
Yes, your damned whatever you do.
So if I pass away outside and they come up to me since I will be somewhat stiff and unable to move will these be grounds for detainment because I am hanging around the area likely being anti social ?
The only time they don't do that is when they're in the doughnut queue!
Haha Discrete means doing something discreetly 😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Being on the ground is grounds....
Officer 5379 Pig, wasn't sure if his car had a printer or not and wasn't sure where it was parked, you should have given that dirty cop a search.
There was no reasonable grounds to detain or search, they make up any excuse.
100% HE SHOULD PUT A COMPLAINT IN A SUE THEM ON THIS UNPROFESSIONAL CORRUPT PERFORMANCE!
I hate the police like the rest of us, but the behaviour seemed suspicious enough to warrant a search, as much as a 'coincidence' as the wrong direction was.
We all know he does this on purpose.
@@geoffcarlton4047 Firstly, the 'rest of us' DON'T hate the Police. We want them to act professionally. Just that.
Secondly, constable, there were no grounds for the search. Walking away, or not wanting to speak to the police, should not be a detainable action.
@@geoffcarlton4047I agree , but suspicion isn’t a crime, I’m suspicious of lots of police and idiots but don’t mean I can put citizens arrest on them , not arguing with you bro🫡👍
@@geoffcarlton4047 suspicious behavior is subjective term.
5:52 Regie stated, I don't do drugs."
Plod responded "I know," then it continued to search, blatantly abusing police powers and violating Reggie's rights.
I noticed that too. Shameful. They would use that against him 100% if it was the other way round.
I'd guess in the polices defence, you don't need to do drugs to have them on you. Still a bit weird how quick it turned from "have a nice day" to "I'm searching you" though.
His demeanour is irrelevant. He abused his powers. His colleague supports the badge of devision. Both were not professional or he would not have done it. He had nothing better to do. Young and trained to be authoritarian.
Get their mugshots all over town. Exposing what they are.
Sue them
You are only exposing them to the sheep who think the po lice are like old Dixon of Dock Green!
The police force showing they are not fit for purpose. Creating problems when they arent there.
When there are problems they don't want to know, running off like the cowards they are
Better be careful of going down the wrong street for fear of arrest. Absolutely ridiculous what the cops did to you Reggie.
HNK 🤔 not wanting to engage isn't/shouldn't be grounds.
Police don’t worry about claims because it doesn’t have to come out of their pocket,jokers
Yeah, If we get fined, it comes out of our pockets. If they *uck up, they should have to pay out of their wages.
Polite cops , so what , a lot of psychopaths are very polite and hide behind their manners . Reggie thank you for showing us how we are controlled and bullied . ❤
Not reasonable grounds at all so contact solicitor and make them pay.
He Couldn't care less about a civil claim, water off a ducks back, zero accountability....
If they were given at least a slap on the wrist.....
HNK Solicitors
So it is suspicious to avoid scum, and be subject to an unwarranted search occasioning assault.
Welcome to the bellend of British policing.
I wouldnt have been so gracious.
You'll be getting MONEY! Sue their asses off.
Walking away from police is not sufficient grounds to suspect any sort of unlawful behaviour.
They are grounds on which to believe the member of the public did not want to be inconvenienced by some BS unlawful made-up search by the police.
"The whole demeanour" - what he means by that is that he tends to punish people that don't lick his boots - by using the process of the search as the punishment.
Reggie did not have slurred speech. He was walking in a co-ordinated way. He is not a known drug user or dealer.
An area being relatively high for a certain type of crime is not sufficient reasonable grounds to do fishing searches.
All in all, another claim for compensation via HNK. This might be a relatively low amount of compensation, due to it being a quick search. But even so - we all know that he searched you for completely unlawful reasons.
Police earning the hate - yet again.
Its not a crime to avoid the police 🚨 this is in part why public cant stand this abuse of power. Great example really
Yea take his job because he isn't fit for the job and didn't join for the right reasons.
The UK citizens should stand up and say NO to this kind of behaviour. Its totaly unacceptable.
So for changing direction walking in a street and not wanting to talk to the police means you can be searched for drugs then? This is absolutely bonkers. I hope you take these clowns to the cleaners Reggie.
Whats that female Humpa Lumpa supposed to do in a real crisis😂😂
How did she get to be in the police they are now taking the dregs of society looks like they don't even do a fitness test any more 😁😁😁😁
😂
One look at that thing would frighten the Krays away...
She could play a very important role, it's hard to run away when a chick is noshing you off
Wobble and then Wibble.....
Suspiction is not a Crime, police cannot use the word "Suspiction" as a tool to stop and search a human being...!
As Focus Pocus said: Suspicion is a feeling without evidence.
They can use it to arrest you
@@lint8391 accusation without evidence
Who told you that, absolutely untrue,they must have reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime,mere suspicion is an opinion, nothing more, nothing less, it's here say.@@ronmccullock1407
@@ronmccullock1407
Suspicion is not a crime and nothing can be done because everyone can say suspicion
Meanwhile the drug dealer walks right by looking shifty as 😂
If it's a high crime area! Do your job your paid to do! Instead of sitting in your cars all day doing nothing, Waiting to jump the queue in the shops to get your scram...
Police detaining us for no reason
Get off TH-cam and call a lawyer!
Sue them
Imagine that walking away from a constable is grounds for a search, which items would it indicate the person was carrying?
How could they possibly know that Misuse of Drugs Act is the right legislation?
Simply walking around in that neighborhood makes you a suspected criminal…yet the residents can walk around without being accosted? So really the police are protecting the criminals??
Get HNK to sue
100% HE SHOULD SUE THEM BOTH IN CIVIL COURT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND THE FORCE THEY WORK FOR FOR NOT TRAINING THEM CORRECTLY AS THEY OPENLY ADMIT TO THEIR OWN CRIMES AND PROFESSIONAL CORRUPT FAILINGS.... ALL ON FILM X
no worries mate have a nice day ,he already admitted at 2mins in he was happy for you to go ,then he detained you ,he has fecked up big time ,
This is another piece of footage that shows why the British Police are held in such low regard.
Did he say he was recording you at first opportunity? No.
His grounds are worthy of a comic sketch-is it his first day in uniform? What is obvious is that he has no idea about any guidelines . Please, can we have a trophy sent to the station for this fool-he gets 1st prize for 2024 even in May.
@Reggie sue this department and get your payout!!!
Call the sheriff!
Bless him looks about 14. Trying to grow a mustache too. And nice he brought his mum to work too
Yes, shocking behaviour, no way is that lavender!
The police officers were friendly enough but overstepped their powers. Being suspicious or having the wrong demenour is not grounds for a search.
This illegal search should be referred to the ICPO.
I've just done a quick search on Blackpool crime rates. The crime rate is 97% higher than other towns in Lancashire making it the county's most dangerous town. In 2023 there were 10,388 violent or sexual crimes and 2283 reports of criminal damage. There are also several unsolved murders in the town. Looking at these two constables we can clearly see why.
I’m glad you mentioned unsolved murders in the town. I used to work with a guy who lived in a town near Blackpool. I thought he was exaggerating when he told us about there being lots of murders in Blackpool. Particularly of homeless men and drug addicts found in alley ways but not many of the murders were solved!
tyrants no grounds
Pissed they had to walk that’s pissed them offffff😂😂😂😂
@3:59 you didn't say you cant remember the street , you said its private
Sue them Reggie, they can not be allowed to treat the public like that.
Sue the bastards, ffs!
Top channel. That's the worst grounds I've ever heard
Disgusting. Sue the wannabe tyrants.
There seems to be confusion between discrete (separate, divided) as in the order and discreet (secretive, not openly) as discussed by you and the officers. Senior police management at fault again.
Don't let them off with it Reggie!!!
No grounds.
Should have asked them what honest and trustworthy means
The longer you spent with them, the more they realised you knew your stuff. There faces dropped when you mentioned the civil claim. Good work
“You walked away from me, so now I’m allowed to search you for drugs!”
Do we live in a police state?!
Please, PLEASE, put in a claim against these absolute clowns…
That illegal search must be a claim.
So where were his gloves while he was doing his search?
Good shout
He wanted to ride bareback.
OJ Simpson's got them.
Sue sue sue
They will be stopping us for walking to slow soon
And let's not forget not walking at all. You could be waiting around to deal drugs to someone 👀
On his logic, if you were in a high stabbing area, would you be detained for suspicion of murder?
Papers Papers its coming to this
I don’t think that little boy knows how to do policemaning.
Reggie, did you notice how he tried to be your best friend after you mentioned solicitors? 😂
sue them
Paranoid police
And lying to get a result under nonsense reason 🤮🤮🤮
For every positive drug search they get a FREE mc d's 🤣
Not paranoid just tyrants
Not paranoid, ignorant and abusive.
Can't wait for the follow up after civil claim.
this young copper know nothing but he wants points its crap
Police do this all the time. Just cus you are in a dodgy area they think they can search you. Happens all the time
It's a bit like detaining someone for going on a jog near the estate because they're running away
remember that "obviously" is an opinion. it is obvious to me that these cops are pathetic and arrogant.
When did conversing with the police become compulsory?
He his waring long trousers and 😂😂😂😂😂😂
"discreet means....to do something discreetly"... get him on Dicionary Corner 😂
No intelligence, no evidence, no legitimacy, no grounds. Get to HNK Solicitors asap.
Many of use will try and avoid bent officers and rapists..
If youd have had the ginger wig and bra on top on.. youd have got away with that....😂😂😂
You were an easy soft target to push their shift on.
Solicitor time Reggie - cheers from outback Australia 🦘🦘🦘
Outrageous. This must be a claim. No grounds whatsoever.
“It’s fine, you’re not in trouble”.😨 Well why are you searching him then?
Jeez, You have to sue them, you'll win, DONT let it go ! ! !.
Craaazzzyyyy mate!
The trouble with you reg, you talk to the tyrant 🐖 way to much
And he wont sue them or follow this up🧐
it's 100% lawful to run as fast as you can from police
Sue them both, the chief constable and the PCC, for unlawful detainment, assault and battery, its the only way these thugs in uniform will learn, in addition, its about time these rogue's were hit in their own pocket, maybe then they will abide by the law, currently the tax payer pays up for these total clowns who think they can abuse the public without loss of their own earnings, ive already written to my MP, as a similar thing happened to me, resulting in a £5,000 pay out, come on Chief Constables and the PCC, GET A GRIP.
MISUSE OF DRUGS!! WHAT IF U DONT MISUSE THEM AND USE THEM PROPERLY?? LOL
So he just gets to shake you down then you have to listen to 20 minutes of copsplaining and “are you having a good day?”What a ridiculous situation. THEY DONT GET TO VIOLATE EVERYONE IN A “HIGH DRUG” AREA! A polite, lying tyrant is still a tyrant.
These kid coppers are jokers.
Another payout Reggie lad.😂🤣🤣.
I like that you parked by a sign for timber decking and you found two short planks 😂🤣
Bad cops
please take them to court as a civil claim over this- its simply been "we want to stop you under anything we have made up because you don't want to speak to us" this is outrageous. that young copper is on a power trip and is a future wayne couzens- imagine this being a single woman been harrassed
Both of these idiots need to be sacked. Unbelievable
When he got up in tthe morning he'd already decided he was going to detain someone.
If I walked around the corner and saw the police I would walk the other way to avoid being abused or falsely accused.
It's interactions like this that make people want to avoid the Police leading to the Police forcing another interaction.
Children in uniforms out spoiling peoples day! End Crown Immunity now!