Your Camera Needs These Lenses For Street Photography
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Pancake lenses can be the ideal street photography lens for those who enjoy smaller camera setups. It's not always necessary to pack a large zoom lens or even a fast aperture prime, because in street photography often including more of your image in focus is a preferred way to shoot. The compact size of a lens like this Sony 20mm f/2.8 means you never need to worry whether or not you can fit your camera kit in a bag or jacket pocket.
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Began with a NEX-6 and then on to the a6000 and the 20mm which is constantly on it. Although I also take more kit with me sometimes, like the 35 f1.8 on the a6400 or even the Zeiss 55 on the A7R 2, the first combo always comes along in a pocket (no strap) and shot from the waist with the screen out.
I shoot with a GX1 and the 14mm 2.5 (I also use the 7artisans UFO lens a lot) and it’s been the best setup for my black and white candids pretty much ever. I sold off everything else and only kept my GFX50S so I basically have the smallest lightest camera I’ve ever used and one of the heaviest and slowest cameras but they do their specific jobs better than anything else!
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bro you made a whole needs chart for pancake lenses? I love your dedication. Subscribed
Just picked up an A7C II and a Samyang 35/2.8 and while it's not super pancake it still fits into a jacket pocket without too much issue. No matter what I did I couldn't get on with my X100F so was trying to replicate that in a FF body and think I've got it bang on.
Fujifilm X-E4 and 18mm f2 is my EDC and street go-to setup!
Honestly you're so right! Real camera is such a place to go for cameras and lenses, always give you great quality gear, Love my Sigma Zoom that I got from them 24-40 2.8 for Street, the wider the better, getting to capture a wide field of view is so important when doing street, unless you want specific subjects.
Imo, all you need is a 20-24mm lens, a 35mm, a 50mm (if you want Pentacon 50 1.8 is great for the price) an 85mm for portraits. when doing street. I don't care too much on the 135mm but they are nice sometimes.
I always enjoy your videos, they not only make me smile, but you have really great content. Some of the best on TH-cam. I was a bit disappointed that you didn't addopt a micro 4/3 camera as your street photography kit. Oh well to each his own. Great work. Please keep the videos coming. Tell you what, you keep them coming and I will keep on watching!
For street photography I like to use my Sony A5100 with the E PZ 16-50 F3.5-5.6 pancake kit zoom. It has a usable image quality when stopped down to F8 (not good as the 16 or 20mm pancakes, but hey, it's a zoom lens with oss), i like it's quick autofocus, and when shooting video, the OSS is very decent for even today, and it's relatively small.
However if I want to bring a little vintage style to the photos, I "fill" my pocket with 3 little Pentax 110 lenses: 18-24-50mm F2.8, as they can fit everywhere as they are very tiny :)
@tnor90 can i ask what kind of adapter are you using for the Pentax lenses on your sony camera?
@@lostepney4972 It's a cheap 110-NEX adapter from Ebay or Aliexpress, nothing fancy.
Great vids, great storytelling, great humour and great vibes. Keep it up man!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I keep meaning to pick up one of these Sony 20mm lenses, but my favourite street photography lens at the moment is my tiny Samyang 24mm f2.8.
Super small, really light, very inexpensive, but i love the aesthetic of the pictures it produces
you should add chapters :)
I will!
There would be a hard timing naming the end!
he did not
@@TheTanglingTreats Refurbish my pancake, maybe.
It’s only 8 minutes 😅
Excellent video. These are the lessons I've been learning in my journey as a street photographer. The photo I sent you in the contest email was actually shot with a Panasonic bridge camera (FZ80/82) and that sensor is TINY... But I think the technology inside that one plus the super zoom make it a very fun, easy, and interesting camera to use.
I also have a T2i, 80D, and a 5D Classic
I don't think there's anything wrong with having smaller sensors as long as they do the job you need. i.e. You might not necessarily want a low-end tiny sensor camera that doesn't do well at high ISO if you're always doing shoots at night.
My first camera (to call my own) was a Pany FZ-20 that my buddy (semi-pro photog due to his career in creative arts & media) helped me choose.
It ticked the right boxes (at the time; 2004) for what I needed to learn the basics of photography - Aperture/ Shutter Priority + Manual Exposure modes, a (super at the time) zoom that covered at least the 28-70mm (135 format) range, and a relatively fast lens (F2.8 throughout the range) to learn about depth of field. Heck, it even had a 'macro' super close-up mode.
Only after I had picked up the bare basics would my buddy then introduce me to using mechanical film cameras and other more 'niche' use prime lenses (fisheye; ultrawides; macro etc.).
All things considered, the FZ-20 was amazing for its price point during that era. It didn't quite have the high ISO performance of an APS-C camera (Canon 300D/ aka Digital Rebel) but it was much better than a happy snappy point and shoot.
In his words: Just shoot what you think is interesting even if you're using full automatic mode. Moments will pass you by if you're trying to adjust for technicalities in the shot. Composition (framing) and the story you tell is more important than whether the image has great camera techniques applied behind it.
I dislike camera bags so much. So yes please, let's have that video too. Another good, thoughtful video too. I tend to like wide-angle lenses for street photography too. But just to test myself, I break out the Fujifilm XT-2 and a 50 - 230mm zoom from time to time too.
Hahah I also use the Uniqlo bag as my camera bag!! Its so nice. Great video man
Sony Nex 3/5 + the 20mm 2.8 one of the greated combinations
Hi George, I love the Ikigai diagram! I need that! I too am a nut for pancake lenses and prefer the 28-40 mil. As of late, I'm using touch to shoot on my digital rangefinders when moving quickly between streets. In these cases, I need the smallest, most nimble yet responsive kit. I'm seriously considering getting a small sony set up and leaving my Fuji at home during travel for these instances.
After 35 years of photojournalism, my two favorite cameras for street photography are the lightweight Nikon D5 and D4s. I like taking four lenses. Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8 AFS, Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8 AFS, Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8 AFS, and the 200mm-500mm f/5.6 VR. Then gear is built like tanks and cover all the focal lengths I need.
A camera and lens combo I really liked for street is a Lumix GM1 with the Lumix 42.5mm f/1.8. It's not a pancake but it's smaller than most APS-C or full frame cameras with a pancake, and gives you that portrait reach. Probably better combined with a more modem body even if slightly larger. The 2013 autofocus and lag and ergonomics of the GM1 aren't great. But I like that I can attach it to my sling bag strap as a second camera and it's just kind of there, can shoot it without disconnecting.
I love the GM1! It's a tiny joy! I just personally need the EVF but totally agree that it's amazing! I used Olympus SLR lenses and they render beautiful images.
My kit would be laughable by trend. I use the a6000 primarily with the 20mm f/2.8 and for wider frame I add the Ultra Wide Converter. For stabilization I have a Zhiyun Crane M2S. Finally for audio I use ECM G1 microphone.
I really love my Panasonic 14mm f2.5 and it is almost always in my camera. I had an A7II with the Tamron 28-75mm and the difference in size is massive, while I still enjoy the the pictures, so it's a win for me.
What camera do you use the 14mm on out of interest?
@@coxbright mostly on an EM5 mkIII since is my main camera now but also on EPL7
My guy, great video I asked if you could do a vid on the 20 2.8 and you came through for me. Much respect! I'm just still hoping Sigma drops an 18 f2 or 2.8 pancake and 23 f2 close to pancake at least next year for APS-C.
I prefer a strap or capture clip, or to have my camera in hand. If it’s in a bag or pocket… I just don’t use it as much. That being said I have loads of options depending on what flexibility or compactness I want. King of Kompact is my Sony Rx100 VI which is awesome for the flexibility of the zoom - but this wee thing is why I no longer shoot M4/3. I do have multiple Sony APSC, but personally the one that pairs best with the 20mm there was the A5100 - but of course no IS on that one. It’s very small… and the flip screen is great for street shooting.. Sony Full Frame wise the Zeiss 35mm F2.8 is a great option and will fit in a large pocket if you care about that. The 28mm F2 is not bad, but definitely not in the same league optically… My fav for Sony Full Frame is the 35mm F1.8 - this one definitely pushes out of being pocketable, but provides better AF close focusing, and the best option for shallow DOF if you want to also do some street portraits. My last 2 options are usually the most fun… My Nikon FA with the 28mm F2.8 AIS is a great film option (also have the 50mm F1.4 - but these days 50mm is way too tele for me), or the Leica Q3. Again not pocketable, but you feel very present when you take these out. The Leica Q3 is definitely very fun to put in the 35mm crop mode and use like a rangefinder.
I usually carry either my Ricoh GR3 or GX1 with a small lens in a tomtoc sling (the smallest one they offer, I have the medium size one as well but at that point I’d prefer a small backpack).
Love the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 for it's compact look, image quality and most of all it's so easy to carry around in your pocket. I had it from a Lumix GF1 but use it on my GX1, GM1 and GX80 as too.
Totally agree!
I missed a lot of shots with this one. AF is so slow. I replaced it with the 15mm Leica. Perfect.
@@bastian.michel Yeah it is frustratingly slow. And have been wondering what the 15mm Leica is like. It's just moved higher up my list of next lenses! Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks for the video, I have a Nikon D5100 for more years than I like to say. But still love it and would love small lenses for travel. Don't wish to change my camera, can someone advise me on a pancake lenses or small as possible for it. Cheers David.
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In 2019, after 15 years of APS-C DSLR and mirrorless shooting, I went full frame with a Nikon Z6... and kinda regretted it? The FF body sizes are fine but the extra heft and size of modern full frame lenses have made me less inclined to bring my camera along when I'm doing something other than dedicated shooting. I now have the 28mm and 40mm primes which are small and lightweight but I still feel the pull to go back to my Sony a6000 as an everyday carry.
I use this lens with the fx3 on full frame mode + active steady shot. Very minimum vignette, I just crop in about 5-10% in post.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
Very nice and interesting video. Love the pictures from Lisbon!
That ending tho haha. But I totally agree about pancake lenses, I use the TTA 27mm f2.8 on Fuji for street and travel and love it
The 20mm is on my Nexus 5N often. Its focus is better on the newer bodies, but yeah love it being pocketable!
I bought the canon 24mm 2.8 pancake lens, and i like it! Very versatile and compact
The 40mm 2.8 is great too! I used it on my canon M50 and now on A7C. Seems smoother on the M50 but that could be bc I used it a lot more on that one. Either way, really fun lens
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Took the 💩 right outta my mouth
For cheap full frame street thrills....I love the RF 28mm F2.8 pancake lens on an eosRP body.
I loved the 20mm 2.8 Sony. It got a bad wrap because its brother the 16mm is garbage. I ended up selling it though for the 35mm 1.8 OSS. It’s better and small while not being a pancake though.
The 35mm 1.8 is a very nice lens and I use it constantly. And OSS is a feature that gets overlooked these days because of advances in in body stabilization and gimbals. But I appreciate what it can do. Excellent lens.
So, its better IQ than the kit lens? I have plans for getting this 20mm, but I'm unsure if its worth the jump from the 16-50 PZ (wich I'm not big fan of)
@@a_vistu the ttartisan 27mm pancake is better
I have a Nikon 1J1 with a 1Nikkor 10mm (27mm equiv.) f2.8 pancake lens. I also have the 1Nikkor 18.5 mm (49mm) f1.8 that isn't much bigger. I've taken some nice photos with both lenses. The 1j1 is a quirky little camera that can be a bit frustrating at times but the focus is so fast and with the 10 on it it's so easy to carry around in a pants or jacket pocket.
That's interesting! Do you like the Nikon 1 system? I've never tried but have heard mixed opinions!
Really awesome video like always! I might put some money into a wide angle lens since I'm doing allot of festival photography rn. Just don't know which one...
Just picked up a Sony RX1R because its so small, but I live in a warm climate and I basically have to have it pocketable. I don't even think the NEX5 would do me. Gotta go to ricoh or some shit now 🙃 great video btw. super under rated for 33k subs
one of the reasons i bought an em10 iii was you. i thought it was small because it looked small in your hands. i thought i can use it as my main street photography camera.
i wonder if you can use a pentax Q series camera 😂 (i have a q10 as my main street camera)
Great video! Just wondering, I currently have the Sony 16mm f2.8, is worth the upgrade to get the Sony 20mm f2.8?
I'm very interested in your thoughts on camera bags and would love to see a video explaining them
I never thought anyone would be interested! Maybe I will soon
You've convinced me from getting a Rico GRIIIx. just because the pancake lens are much more affordable.
Educational and interesting. I like pancake lenses very much . They are addictive 😍.
I carry my fuji xt30 + 27mm pancake in a uniqlo sling bag too lol
Which pancake do you think it works the best with Lumix GX7?
Mmmm pancake 😂
The evolution of the gear we use is pretty interesting, when I see someone walking around with a tiny camera and pancake lens, I just assume they’ve been doing this a while. How many people start out with a tank and 20 lenses, only to progress to a single small body and one prime? 🤔
I also love pancakes lenses!
i have the same backpack, damn i really really like this one
What was that Leica lens and camera at 6:38? 😮
Also I really wish Ricoh would make a FF GR versions. That compact would be the best I think
I got the Sony 20mm for the same reasons to you! And I love it the experience!
hi... what do you think about the lens image quality?is it any good? i really want to get this lens, but a lot reviews says it has a poor image quality than this lens not any better than iphone camera's image quality
@@louismaxell Nowadays I'm still think this is a good lens, but I use another today, it's a 27mm F2.8 from TTArtisan. And I really enjoy, search for this alternative!
I make a video talking this lens: th-cam.com/video/iSW8bhkoxYE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=t5_g0zD_SmIIrALK
Favourite mft pancake? So many around. I'm a poor pensioner with 2012 era Olympus cameras - an E-P3 and OMD E-M1. I've been trying to convince my wife the need for a pancake for everything I'm thinking 24-40mm in 35mm equivalent. Love to hear your thoughts George. My favourite walkaround film camera was Either A Ricoh GR1/28mm or Minolta XD with 24mm, so I'm favouring those wider angles
I've been thinking in have a R8 and RF 28mm pancake just for fun and portability probably there are best options, but i'm already inside RF ecosystem :)
Ive been wanting this lens to go with my zve10 for street for a while now and now i think i want it more lol. Seems like a perfrct stealth combo. I generally use my sigma 30mm 1.4 which renders gorgeous photos, especially at night, but at the same time it aint discreet! Feels like this 20mm 2.8 with the zve10 might gibe the ricoh gr3 a run for its money? Maybe? At least thats my hope. Plus on the video side its actually pretty decent
I want to try this combo too, did you get this lens yet?
@@hmmmnope2455 no not yet actually. Haven't had the extra funds just yet
Did you ever get it?
@@hmmmnope2455 No not yet sadly. Havent been able to afford it. I also have been wanting to acquire an a5100 to also pair this lens with. As a back up to my zve10 lol
@@jotaudio1 No not yet sadly. Havent been able to afford it. I also have been wanting to acquire an a5100 to also pair this lens with. As a back up to my zve10 lol
you should revisit this with a a7c a7cII or a7cr they are smolll an ff match made in heaven
Did a few videos on the A7C when I owned one for 3 years
oh sorry maybe I missed that haha I have a a7cr and I can't go back to APS-C basically a a7r IV in a small body with plenty of res if you want to use a small aps-c lens@@GeorgeHolden
Took me a second to realize you were in Austin, but I know the guy sitting on the bench at 4:16! Really fun to see haha Love your channel!
I have paid thousands of pounds to a psychotherapist to rid myself of crippling guilt for buying a M43 system. Watching your channel, I could have save all that cash. 😂 Very entertaining and informative channel. Thanks.
I ended up going with a used gen one Leica Q. Zone focus is a must in the street imo, but isolating subjects at wide aperture is very challenging in hectic conditions. The Q is the only real option to offer both in one "small" package. I used that 20 many years ago on the A6000 though and it was supremely compact and usably sharp.
Oh.. and fwiw, I think you maybe meant Venn Diagram? The technique used to visually represent Ikigai there, which is a specific Japanese philosophy of sorts. Unless I misunderstood. Which is quite likely from my experience 💩
That's cool! And yes that was a Venn diagram of the Ikigai process, Ikigai is just my analogy for the perfect meeting of needs. Just trying to make my ideas more visual!
I have the Sony A6500 with the 20mm f2.8 pancake lens and cause of this size I take my camera just everywhere!
Even better in sketchy locations - easy to hide and not too much worth if you would get ripped 😅
hi... what do you think about the lens image quality?is it any good? i really want to get this lens, but a lot reviews says it has a poor image quality than this lens not any better than iphone camera's image quality
@@louismaxell
Hey!
I would never call the quality of this lense "poor".
I think for this size it´s the most quality you can get out of a lense. And personally I like that it´s a bit softer - gives it a natural look.
Of course the 20mm f2.8 pancake is not as sharp as premium glass, but in my opinion thats not the case of use for this lense.
I got this lense most of the time on my A6500 and this combination ist so small - I take it everywhere I go.
The best camera is the one you take everywhere you go. And thats the case of use for me with A6500+20mm f2.8 pancake.
If you wanna go for the best quality of course you have to buy bigger and heavier lenses.
A good alternative to the 20mm is maybe the Sigma 23mm f1.4 lense.
I dont own one, but Sigma is never disappointing.
But of course - its bigger.
Are you saying that say, a f/1.7 prime lens can’t be stopped down as at 2:35 even though they’re ‘fly by wire’? Seems amazing…✌️
Olympus E-M5 + Panasonic 20mm f/1.8
i have an xpro 3 now and i definitely miss the ergonomics of those a6000 cameras. the 6400 was probably the nicest camera to old that ive ever had. the xpro feels like a brick
Right in time! Recently i was planning to buy a pancake lens to pair with my super tiny gx800 but im not sure what focal length to choose. 14mm f2.5 or 20mm f1.7.. Also love the oly 45mm but thats not that tiny hahaha. Greetings!
I've still not used the 20mm 1.7 but it seems to be the favourite!
15mm 1.7 is pretty small but not pancake small if you need the speed...
I highly recommend the 14mm 2.5
I have all three and can say, pick one. They are all excellent.
Personally I do prefer (high quality) zoom lenses as they do offer more versatility. When being around your own kids, this can be a key feature. Kids will almost never stop for a picture. My personal choice is a 28-75mm Tamron f2.8 and a 50-400mm Tamron F4.5-6.3. I will never need another glass.
I use 99% the Canon M6 with 22mm pancake, super compact and very sharp.
I have problems carrying higher weights, so I think about this a lot! 😊
You and me both!
Thought you had finally found the perfect pancake lens and letting us all know, but turns out its about the hunt of finding the perfect lens we're all hunting for lol.
Sadly there is no perfect lens for everyone 💔
What camera was this video shot with?
The best camera is the one you have with you is a great definition of "best" - like you missed 100 % of the shots you did not take.
The zoom that not only crops your picture but also changes the angle at which you shoot and which you always have with you are your legs.
3:07 - next time you're in New Bailey I suggest paying a visit to Spice and Grind Coffee, which is served from that little green horsebox you can see in the background.
Thank you! Will check it out 👍
Nice shots in Austin, Tx
I am beginner in photography.
I bought a used Sony A7s2.
New 24-70 2.8 lens.
How much power flash would be enough to shoot outdoors? I would be doing street photography and portraits.
I would want to take this flash with me easily and during travelling.
Should I go for on camera flash or off camera flash
This would be 1st flash that I would buy.
What are your suggestions for flash?
Also suggest soft box and tripod (either camera or flash would be tripod as I can hold only 1 thing) for travelling.
You probably don’t want to use a flash for street for many reasons.
If you insist, note that flash requirements on 24mm are v much less than 70mm.
I use exactly the Sony lens for filming on the Alpha 6300. Sharp even at f2.8 in 4K. Almost all of my films were shot with it.
thinking about picking one up w a 6100 for youtube content and continuing street photography after yrs ! do you think itd make for a great match/setup? or should i go for the a6400 which ive also been eyeing?
thanks in advance 🙇🏾
One could argue that it’s excessive, but I like the tamron 18-300mm apsc e mount lense for all around use case.
I'm here to ask about your backpack. What brand is it? Thanks
I have a whole video on this topic! Berghaus brand
In the film days, two of my favorite lenses were the wide angle Zuiko 28mm and 24mm f/2.8 pancake lenses. Why can't they make digital full frame lenses like those today?
It would be amazing, I think everyone's so obsessed with fast AF the tactile lenses get ignored
Nice Reality check. I bought the Canon 24/2.8 pancake for its video attributes then found out it is much handier than the heavy expensive 24/1.4 EF that I bought for $1600. The aps-c. Format of smaller Canon Dslrs works.
I am sure this is already addressed but I couldn't find it. Could I use this on full frame cameras? What would be the conversion of a APCS 28 mm to full frame mm?
This is a 20mm lens, so is 30mm in ff terms. However this is only an APSC lens, does not work properly on full frame
For my street photography I use one or two Sony a7RIV with one prime Lens on each Camera, a wide angle Lens on one Camera and a short tele on the other Camera, my Lenses are 14, 21, 24, 35 (two), 55, 65, 85, 110 and 135mm, I do NOT like the focal length 28mm and 50mm for full frame format, I think they are more or less useless focal length, any focal Length shorter or longer than those two focal length ! If I want to go real compact, I take one Camera with the Sony Carl Zeiss Sonnar 35mm 2.8 T* ZA Lens.
tough call - trying to decide between the 20mm f2.8 and the samyang 24mm f2.8!
I recently debated getting the samyang again! But luckily stopped myself 😂
Aaaah I've spent so much money in that camera store in Manchester 🤣
Trying to convince myself NOT to go again tomorrow 😅
2:57 image samples 4:02
I am really struggling to find MD lenses, I got the 50mm f1.7 but I would like to get something like 35 or 24, if anyone got any suggestion on where in Europe I should look for lens I would appreciate it.
28mm is readily available on eBay and most used retailers
Try fuji x100v, very compact
I carry my cam in a sling bag too well I was carrying the zv-e10 haha not Uniqlo but yeah it's ok!
Nice! Is it a camera sling or just a casual one?
just casual one defs not for cameras hehe@@GeorgeHolden
The Fuji 27mm 2.8 WR pancake kiinnnnda sucks... but i can put my xpro1 in my jacket pocket 😌
Jokes on your Everyday Carry-ability chart: I use a Pentax Q.
The vast choices of cameras today is a plus, and a negative. I am an old timer (70 years old) I always used Olympus OM systems because of size, and quiet shutter. I preferred the 28 mm at f 5.6 or f8 which I always carried set in a depth of field scale. I never had to focus, I could even shoot without looking.
Now in my day people were not as aware of photographers as they are today. Everyone today thinks one has some nefarious intention with the photo, I can't say I blame them since photoshop has made manipulation of images very easy. My age & gray hair has saved me from some angry individuals wanting to beat my butt for taking a shot in their direction. I will make one bold statement A.I, will put the final nail in photography' s coffin it's over folks.
what was that thing you had on top of the sony 20mm?
The lens hood
@@GeorgeHolden What a cool lens hood!
How about shoot video using sony 20 f2.8 pancake lens? just wondering cuz i'm using A6700 too
I've shot some talking head stuff with it and it works well, it has a 49mm filter thread which is a bit small but still good for ND filters if you're filming outdoors
@@GeorgeHolden Whoaa really? just tried Sony 16mm F2.8 yesterday and performing unstopable focus breathing while using AF-C, but it's works well using AF-S. Might bought one 20mm F2.8 this month, thanks
@@noobiesplayer2412 I had the 16mm too, both will have focus breathing but yes with the A6700 it's not a problem. Two very nice pancakes to have on your plate 🥞
can you make a video on ''the camera for family to replace the mobile phone'''
With pleasure my friend
It's a shame Pentax doesn't make smaller cameras, because they are one of the few manufacturers committed to a comprehensive range of pancake lenses... Their Limiteds are absolutely lovely!
😅😂 🤣 every day carry... The struggle is real!!!
Haven't watched the full video yet but the silver lenses shown at the start I really hope they are for Sony! Lol
Talking about the full category of lenses so some aren't Sony! But the main lens is the Sony 20mm 😊
X100v or any similar Fuji done deal
samsung nx the best small lenses
Did I just see Cleethorpes in those shots around the 3 minute mark?
HAHAHA THAT ENDING
I made it for you
@@GeorgeHolden *blushing heavily*
The 20mm 2.8 lives on my A6400.
That's awesome!
Same exact setup
I love it