Hi there! Thanks for giving me a mention on your vid! I really enjoyed your video and you did an amazing job at breaking down the Huntress’ confusing history in a ways that’s easy to follow! 🙂 Just one small correction on the New 52 version of Helena Wayne: Worlds’ Finest #9 and #22, along with Secret Origins #7 established Helena Wayne originated the Huntress identity, and the Helena Bertinelli identity she stole was actually the main Earth Bertinelli. There was never an Earth-2 Bertinelli in the current continuity. Other than that, solid vid! 😉 (PS. Please do a video on Ric Grayson. I have strong thoughts about that as well and would love to know your thoughts, haha!)
Do you know if Helena Wayne still exists and if there's a earth-2 currently in the DC universe after the aftermath of Doomsday Clock? Helena Wayne seems to have a cameo in Infinite Frontier.
@@dcfan4life301 I just saw a video like yesterday about Earth 2, and it seems the current Earth 2 is absolutely nothing like the one we use to have (Golden age stuff).
There's so much to love in Justice League Animated and while at first I winced at the idea of THAT Huntress & THAT Question becoming a thing but by the end of the story I had to say that was an amazing ride. The writing and the voice acting just bowled me over. Such fun, those two!
Why not combine all of her origins into one? Salina gets pregnant, doesn’t tell Bruce, and puts Helena up for adoption. Helena is then adopted by the Bertinellis, witnesses their deaths, discovers she is adopted, finds her birth mother, and learns that her birth father is Bruce Wayne. That’s what I would have done, anyway.
I would love to see a version of Helena Wayne who exists in the future of the main earth. Like imagine Helena Bertinelli died saving the world and Bruce and Selena named their future daughter fatre her, then she takes up the mantle. She could work alongside the Terry McGinnis batman...it would be awesome
There were original plans for Batman Beyond to include Huntress instead of a new Batgirl, but at the end they backed up and used Huntress on the JLU cartoon (and a Batgirl Beyond was created in the comics anyways)
I prefer Bertanelli, but I’d like to see Wayne come back if they make her more interesting. Maybe she can be Damian Wayne’s partner when he’s the future Batman. Maybe she can be the Huntress of the future, and Bertanelli trains Wayne. Also some Mafia humor “Frank Bertanelli is the ruler of the Gotham mafia.” Carmine Falcone: “I’m about to end this man’s whole career.”
The most disturbing thing DC did with the huntress character was in Batman: Brave and the Bold animated series. She was Helena Bertinelli but was dressed in the original Helena Wayne costume. She kept flirting hard with Batman. It felt so cringy.
I grew up with Helena Wayne. I never understood why DC thought infinite universes were difficult to understand because my child aged brain totally got it. Now I'd love to hear you cover Infinity, Inc. But also maybe the Legion of Superheroes.
My favorite iteration of the character has always been her pre-Crisis version. I always enjoyed her backup stories in Wonder Woman, many of which included Power Girl and there was a palpable melancholy in her dealings with the Earth-1 Batman especially after the death of her father. I even remember a story arc where the original Huntress challenged her for the right to use the name. They have done so many changes and retcons but now with the multiverse existing again they really need to find a way to bring back a version that is as close to her pre-Crisis version as is possible for modern writers to manage.
Me too!!!! That was the canonical first exposure to both. However, Helena Bertinelli is my absolute favorite iteration. Her growth under Dixon and Simone is exemplary
I'm old enough to be in the "Helena Wayne" camp. I will admit, I thought the Earth 2 and World's Finest titles were stand-out highlights of the New 52,
What about the Burton version, Helena Bonham-Carter? Her superpower, is being able to come back from the dead, whenever she gets killed by Johnny Depp*? *...but, for some reason, always as a different character, at a different place, and in a different time period!
"Bette Kane, love interest for Robin, because no homo, seduction of the innocent" God, you've really already talked so much about it, thanks for keeping it brief :,D
The whole Huntress arc in Young Justice was handled extremely well, paralleling the complexities of her backstories with a refined interpretation of her upbringing.
I personally prefer Wayne as Huntress, but that’s probably because the New 52 version of the origin was the one I was introduced to. That and I’m a sucker for characters that are the children of other heroes like Jon and Damien. I like the other versions of the character too.
I was in high school when Helena Wayne/Huntress showed up and never had a problem with DC continuity. Its harder to deal with all the freaking recons that have occurred than it was to deal with Earth one and Earth two.
I agree. DC really tied their own hands behind their back with the elimination of the multiverse. Although they did do some good work integrating the Earth-One/Earth-Two histories, most of it not so much.
Watching Batman and Harley Quinn clips the scene where Harley and Nightwing get it on she actually refers to Seduction of the Innocence saying she had to write a paper on it.
I got to know Huntress in Simone's Birds of Prey run, so I enjoyed that version of the character. I also liked the Huntress mini-series that ran near the beginning of the New 52. As I recall, it seems that the original intention was for her to be Bertonelli, but before it ended, DC began an Earth 2 series, and that was when they switched her to being Wayne and had Power Girl show up at the end. Worlds' Finest was decent when it started, like a lot of the New 52 in my opinion, but like a lot of the New 52, it started to run off the rails after a while. And of course, anything in Justice League Unlimited is automatically awesome.
You're right about the first new52 Huntress series. She was definitely meant to be Bertonelli and was no long after retconed into Wayne posing as Bertonelli which i thought was a cute around that.
I am partial to Helena Wayne as The Huntress, although I did grow up too with the Bertinelli version, but the Nu52 version, who was with Spyral, can go take a hike to nowhere.
I lean more to the Bertinelli version myself, but more because of the Justice League cartoon, that was the one who showed up there. My first real introduction to the Wayne version was in the live action Birds of Prey series back in the day.
I remember being a 8th grader, heartbroken over the death of Selina Wayne and excited about the birth of the HUNTRESS! She was such a cool new superhero!
I didn't know that Helena Wayne did actual exist in comics when I first heard of her was in the TV series Birds of Prey & when she was taking to her therapist who was a villain in disguise I think it was Harley Quinn she revealed her parents were Bruce & Selena I was like WFT? No, she's Helena Bertinelli but after seeing your video about her I now realized Helena Wayne really did exist I just never heard of her so thank you for clearing this up.
That Helena (BoP TV series) was also Helena Kyle and had meta-human abilities. So she was a lot of things that had nothing to do with either version of the Huntress (at time of the television show's release) as they threw in a little Tim Burton crazy world into the whole mix. Honestly, at least it wasn't as bad as Dinah Redmond, later Lance, with "psychic" powers instead of a canary cry when it comes to changes the show made.
I'm more an Helena Bertinelly fan, but Helena Wayne is interesting too. I don't see why they can't coexist, could have a lot of fun with them working together from time to time. I kinda fell in love with the character during her time as a bird of prey pre-new52. I loved how she was the tough, strong, scary one but also very feminine, romantic, and how she really loved the shared friendship with Barbara and Dinah. Those 3 as they were back then were fantastic :)
Riiight?!... I died when WB cancelled the live action Birds of Prey TV series (2002) all too soon... I mean, it was truly fantastic! (I firmly believe it inspired the main character for the Underworld movies in 2003!).
Always liked her best, along with Black Canary. I even used her--sort of--in a novel I wrote. Not close to the Helena Wayne or Helena Bertinelli character, but more or less a homage to her. Great vid, by the way.
Great work again! I just read Batman - Hush for the N'th time last night, where Huntress plays a minor role. I was going on my business today and saw the thumbnail of this video and something clicked. At the end of the 10th chapter (Batman 617), Huntress seems to be influenced by Scarecrow's fear toxin and picks a fight with Catwoman. Setting aside her motivation and/or manipulation (which I found off), the thing that I remembered was that the Huntress saw Catwoman as another version of herself (I think it's a previous uniform, full body suit) and Helena says this while getting attacked by a confused and inquisitive Selina (translated from spanish): "You can't take away what we are (now)" "No! We can stop fighting if we stop them." "You are what I used to be. That which I can no longer be." Each one of those lines could refer to anything you said on this video, but the third one is most engaging. One of those cosmic coincidences or TH-cam's omnipresent algorithms...
I'm on the very same boat! I've never seen her before (or after). I was intrigued by how she was depicted on the start of the arc. You know, when she saves Batman in Crime Alley. How talented and fierce, yet flawed she was. How Bruce thought about how similar they were. How she needed to prove herself to Batman, to the rest of the Family and even to herself (even the lowly criminals mistook her for Batgirl). In that depiction, I thought she was a really interesting character. She fitted in the Bat Family Universe, but wasn't just a cheap Batman female clone. I really wanted to see more of her. Aaaaaand now I know it ain't happening. Crap. Duke has always been "meh" for me. I don't know much about Batwoman (and doesn't invoke any interest for me). And Damian... I don't like the brat, to put it lightly. Huntress felt like a much more fresh character in comparison. But what can you do?
Not an unreasonable fear. As a baby I got my tiny fingers caught in one of my Mom's hoops and subsequently ripped it out of her earlobe. 💫😰✨👂 EEYYOOWW Luckily it grew back. And, yes she did have to get it repierced. But no lasting/visable scars, or permanent damage.
Helena Wayne and Kara are back in JSA. We don't know Kara's current origin, but Helena Wayne comes from an alternate future where Bruce is murdered and is currently on a timey wimey adventure.
Jesus, I was putting the Earth 2 PG and Huntress comic run on my reading list but did not realise how convoluted the whole thing was, knowing the countless crisis events going on. Great video in explaining all of it.
I like the bronze age Huntress, This video has made me want to track down the bronze age Huntress, And Dan Didio never liked legacy characters which is why the New 52 wasn't liked by DC fans.
Honestly the idea of Helena Wayne could be soooooo interesting especially with the whole Super Sons thing going on. Just imagine a teen to 20 something Helena trying to deal with the whole Damian thing with the fact he was raised as an assassin but not just that there could be tons of cool conflict like the fact she's an older sibling to Damian. Another conflict being she has tons of step siblings who were adopted or just taken in as part of the family and there could be some resentment there from one of the Robins since they feel Bruce treats her different because she's his biological daughter. There could also be some conflict with the fact the Bat Family is kind of a sausage party (depending on which canon we're talking about of course). There could also be some conflict between her and Damian since they have different moms maybe Damian resents her a bit since she would have a relatively normal life with her rich dad (and I'd hope mom cause they don't NEED to kill off Selina) instead of being raised as an assassin by a single mom and a bunch of female assassin's. Like honestly Helena in the context of the Bat Family dynamic could just be super interesting just as long as they don't try having her date Dick again that's just frickin weird.
So, from what I remember, Earth 2 Helena Wayne is Batman as of "Earth 2: Society" A book with incredible art that DC didn't market at all. Story-wise It's... It exists. I don't hate it cause I'm a hardcore JSA fan so anything that gives me JSA vibes I'll give a chance, It's not nearly as bad as the other Earth 2 books. And yeah, Batman, and honestly I'm cool with that. Also, just discovered your channel today, I love it so far!! I'm always happy to see more down to Earth channels like this that delve into interesting histories and contexts of the topic they're talking about.
you are really awesome in how you present things factually with no judgement, but I am curious if you liked any or all of the reboots and their changes
I love both Helena Wayne and Helena Bertinelli however, Helena Wayne is by far my favorite. I was actually into the idea that the new 52 was going with, having Helena Wayne stuck on prime earth from Earth 2. I was excited to see that continue and hoped to eventually see her join the Birds of Prey. I don't hate Helena Bertinelli though, I think her backstory is intriguing. This version of the Huntress should even get her own Movie. I just love this character entirely. thank you for positing this video. new viewer and subscriber :)
I love Beertinelli, but i like wayne idea too, i won't mind having a earth-2 series..they jsut need stop destroying the alternative universes so quicly
So interesting. I remember when I got into comics as a kid I was all about Marvel, even though I came from a family (my uncle and grandfather) who read both Marvel and DC. That said, I bought Issue #1 of Huntress in 1989, making it the first DC comic I ever bought for myself (instead of just getting them from my uncle). I was struck as how great the art work was, and I bought a few more issues (I think...). At the moment, I have bins of comics from the 70s, 80s, and 90s sitting in a closet, so I am not sure how many issues of Huntress I have. That said, it means that I have a soft spot for the character, but did not know of all the confusing origin story stuff. Thanks for sharing, and reminding me of that Issue #1.
I miss her old outfits. Either the Batman Hush outfit with the open midriff or the Batman/Huntress outfit with the big cross. Makes her look like a sister in mourning yet also looking for retribution. The Rebirth outfit looks too mundane aside from the purple color and mask. Idk why but the “modern” redesigns of costumes like Batgirl and Huntress look more like cosplay than actual superhero outfits. Some work like Superboys’ t-shirt in Young Justice, Hawkeye’s modern outfit in his solo run, or Harley Quinn’s roller derby outfit. TLDR I miss her old outfits. And also wish comics were easier to keep track of. Lovely video❤❤❤❤
I like the version of the Helena bertinelli backstory used in the birds of prey the fantabulous emancipation of Harley Quinn as a mob princess without having been a victim of csa but still having the deeply rooted trauma of witnessing the family members being shot down and smuggled out by a sympathetic goon when he noticed she miraculously survived by pretending to be disposing the body and raised her with the skill set to be the huntress. It has an almost fairytale like quality to it like how many people were convinced that the slaughter of the romanovs somehow managed to have princess Anastasia slip away from the massacre and restart her life somewhere else even though we all know that wasn't the case when they were finally able to get DNA from the secondary burial to confirm that she had died as well. With Helena b we get to have our cake and eat it too tragic backstory with allusions to famous historical events without having to reference real life and actual people who died *cough cough animated Anastasia cough cough*
I love all of the Huntresses. Although, after the JLU cartoon I really wanted to see a live action movie with her and the ? knocking boots. But, I think the new Birds of Prey: And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn cast might make that awkward for younger or more sensitive viewers. Oh well, love your stuff. Have a great day.
I liked that post crisis 18 issue run. Joe Staton did an interesting style on that run. She even joined the JLI. I didn't understand the need to reboot her 6 years later instead of having her just return. It just made post crisis continuity messy without having a crisis being responsible for the change.
I know you probably don't care about a comment from a video from 3 years ago, but I love when you explain the confusing continuity of DC's messy history, and I like both Bertinelli and Wayne
I both Bertinelli and Wayne(I ship Bertinelli with Jason Todd)...as there are now 3 Helena's in continuity, i am enjoying JSA 2022's reintroduction of Helena Wayne...but my favorite Helena Wayne is currently the one from Batman/catwoman where she takes over the mantel of batman as batwoman. (ya the costume is hated). However ya, Helena should have just been made the fun way by batcat in new earth at the start...i hate the controversy of Helena Kyle because Helena Kyle...was introduced in BOP live-action series still as Batman's daughter.
I really don't care who calls herself huntress, both wayne and bertinelli have amazing background stories, and they are in great teams. I would love to see an interaction between them
I prefer Helena Wayne, because I like the idea that every time there is a reboot, that the previous continuity continues on in its own world, and the superheroes get married and have children who grow up, and things happen to them too. I read a comic where Helena Wayne teamed up with Damian Wayne, and I thought that was great, and would buy a mini-series or ongoing series of that team up, Batman's daughter with Catwoman and his son with Talia.
I liked this episode. Ypur show is exceptional from what is out there. I'm a fan of yours. Please continue. I am partial to the Earth 2 Helena Wayne. I also love what Gail Simone did with her on Birds of Prey.
Another great video!! Helena Bertinelli from the post Crisis (particularly her Cry for Blood/Birds of Prey era) will always be my favorite, but I have a serious soft spot for Helena Wayne too. Both were done dirty by the New 52 reboot sadly. Ah well. Love that you're highlighting so many characters that I love and that you've done so much research into them!
I’m partial to the Earth-2 pre-Crisis Helena Wayne Huntress. I first saw the character when I picked up a copy of Adventure Comics sometime in the 1970s. Seeing “Death of Batman” on a comics cover reeled me in. Obviously, this was the Earth-2 Batman. I read the Bertinelli version in the 90s but it just wasn’t the same.
I really enjoy your sessions on characters like this whose continuity is so flubbed and bewildering (like poor Kara Zor-L or Donna Tory). I've been reading comics since the early 60s and it keeping all straight in my head is why I have constant migraines. :) On the plus side, it's assured me a retirement job in a comic shop! (Really!) :)
Bobby Drake suddenly being gay after around 50 years of published material. Don't get me wrong I have no problem with characters displaying various sexualities, but I didn't see the need to retcon a beloved character. Just invent a new character for God's sake...
I love Huntress being the daughter of Batman and Catwoman. To me, Helena Bertinelli is in the same category as "Power Girl is an Atlantean"... poorly-fitting post-Crisis explanation for something that Crisis ruined.
I've always loved Helena Bertinelli and her backstory, but admittedly my only direct exposure to Helena Wayne was in Crisis on Infinite Earths. After watching your video though, I really want to delve deeper into the world of Helena Wayne.
Ric Grayson is a joke that’s not funny... like the Titans tv show. The Helena most of us love is Justice League Unlimited Helena with so many issues that it’s hard not to relate.
OMG! Thank you for this explainer. I never new this confusing convoluted history of the Huntress. Why don’t they just retcon her story again and make her Helena Wayne, daughter of Bruce and Selena who has a thing for bad boys, goes and marries a mob boss son whose name is Bertinelli against her parents wish and that disapproval and decision gets someone killed by accident like Selena or some other side character and she becomes the Huntress and would have both names, Helena Wayne Bertinelli. Problem solved lol Anyway keep up the good work.
I think they just had a new series that basically went. Yeah "Everything" is canon. Meaning we now have all of these variations of Huntress at once technically. Not sure how to feel about that, except. I want into the Huntress-verse.
I had the Helena Wayne Huntress origin comic when I was a little kid in the 70s. I fell in love with her. She had such a brilliant yet tragic backstory that really drew me in as a child. After that, I didn't start reading comics again until the mid 80s. I did read the post-Crisis Huntress, and was just happy to see her again, whether Wayne or Bertinelli.
Batman and Catwoman are probably the longest running and most committed relationship either of those two have had, so I'd usually push for anything that cemented those 2 actually getting together. I'd still go with Bertinelli if you were doing a rebooted or spin-off universe and only wanted to work with one for simplicity. First....I'm mostly Sicilian, so I like seeing names that you could name a brand of Romano cheese after. Second, Gail Simone is one of my favorite comic writers working right now, and if I were trying to do a version of Huntress, you know I'd just be reading through as much of her Birds of Prey run as I could. Like, that's the definitive Helena for me. And third....she's not really a legacy character. You could develop her as her own thing, and then maybe tie her fully formed into Batman later whether you wanted to or not. I could make her a solo run, a Bird, a Leaguer, a potential Batwoman or Robin, whatever the story needed. For Wayne to make sense without time travel, a multiverse, or a continuous decades long story like Earth 2 had....Bruce and Selena woulda had to have started their career, teased each other, danced around 20 to 50 other relationships each, either seriously dated/married or had one wild night without a Cat-Rubber, got a kid, trained a kid, let her reach a reasonable adulthood, and THEN let her be a superhero. That means in continuity you're looking at about 25, 30 years after Bruce first peed his pants telling Gotham's elites that they aren't eating so well anymore.
I really loved Helena Wayne in the series Earth 2 Society and her friendship with Powergirl. She was tough, interesting, had a cool costume... then in that last issue when she became Batman was pretty amaz. She pulled off the trenchcoat look when adult Damian couldn't :)
I recently found your channel with the episode on the origin of Power Girl's...assets. As an old Earth 2 fan who read the late 70s run of All Star when it came out I'm happy to see the two Power Girl episodes and this one. To answer your outro question, it should be no surprise I'm a fan of the original Helena Wayne iteration. While my first two DC loves are Wonder Woman and Legion, the JSA and its various legacies and spin offs (do you have an Infinity Inc. video or three yet?) are close to my heart as well. The fact that my first WW issue was #228 where the book transitioned from Earth 1 to Earth 2 a year after the return of All Star and monthly Earth 2 stories. Unlike All Star, though, this Wonder Woman run was set in WW2, I believe due to the ABC series starring Linda Carter running at the time (and the reason I bought the comic). I actually didn't start collecting JSA books until after this despite the year head start.
I am a Helena Wayne fan, never got on board with Helena Bertinelli, and appreciated the New 52 version. I loved how she used to be a Robin on Earth-2, but with Catwoman fighting skills; and how Helena Bertinelli was one of her Earth-Prime aliases. I do appreciate her characterization in the Harley Quinn Birds of Prey movie though. "I do not have anger issues!" while viciously stabbing a goon, sliding down a funhouse chute.
I remember reading one of the Batman Adventures comics in the 90s featuring Helena Bertinelli. I think it was actually called Night of the Huntress. When you were breaking down her reintroduction from the 00s, it reminded me A LOT of what was in that comic.
Easy solution. If there's an Earth Two with Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman being part of the Justice Society and living during WWII, then there should be an Earth 1 where they were active during the Vietnam War, and Earth 0 where they are active now. On Earth 1, Barry's mother is still alive in the 80s, and for some reason Wally becomes Flash, marries Linda, and has children. On Earth 0, Barry is still Flash. Earth 1 has both Helena Bertinelli Huntress, and later Helena Wayne Huntress adopting the mantle. And best of all, a 50 year old Ron Raymond is still Firestorm on Earth 1.
The Helena Wanye, New 52, was originally the Robin on her world and Power Girl was the Supergirl. When the Trinity seemingly died fighting Darkseid's invading forces they went through a portal and ended up on Earth Prime. They do later return to their Earth to fight the returning Darkseid and team up with the heroes who come up after the Trinity is gone. The books are Earth 2 and Earth 2-Society.
I personally would be fine with the Bertinelli origins remaining, but adding a certain depth to it such as a villain having stolen Bruce Wayne's DNA so that the mobster Bertinelli is still not the father, the mother remembers cheating on him, but in fact it was something more to get Thomas Wayne's fortune... but it never panned out. The result was Helena with her mobster history fully intact and with a potential to be accepted as Bruce's sister, which is why she is a Wayne, but isn't. Yeah, I know the sister of Bruce isn't the same, but it adds to the Bat Family a dynamic he doesn't really have, a sibling, especially as he has a child in Damian. The similar stolen DNA story would help Damian have a loose connection, too. And this will maintain a difference between her and Batwoman's connection as Bruce's cousin. The age difference is easily explained by the DNA sample being preserved in a "bank". The big reason I'd go this way is so it doesn't harm continuity for either Huntress mythos, but also that it doesn't start to mess up Catwoman's current(ish) history. And, if King had finished his plans, the Huntress could have still become the daughter of Batman and Catwoman.
I wanted to see more information about the huntress, and the question guy a love there, chemistry, and how they worked together, I just love their relationship
Hi there! Thanks for giving me a mention on your vid! I really enjoyed your video and you did an amazing job at breaking down the Huntress’ confusing history in a ways that’s easy to follow! 🙂
Just one small correction on the New 52 version of Helena Wayne: Worlds’ Finest #9 and #22, along with Secret Origins #7 established Helena Wayne originated the Huntress identity, and the Helena Bertinelli identity she stole was actually the main Earth Bertinelli. There was never an Earth-2 Bertinelli in the current continuity. Other than that, solid vid! 😉
(PS. Please do a video on Ric Grayson. I have strong thoughts about that as well and would love to know your thoughts, haha!)
It’s amazing how impossibly bad Ric Grayson is
Sorry Damian screwed your existence
Same
Do you know if Helena Wayne still exists and if there's a earth-2 currently in the DC universe after the aftermath of Doomsday Clock? Helena Wayne seems to have a cameo in Infinite Frontier.
@@dcfan4life301 I just saw a video like yesterday about Earth 2, and it seems the current Earth 2 is absolutely nothing like the one we use to have (Golden age stuff).
I really liked her in the Justice League Animated Series when she was with The Question. They had a strange but cute relationship.
I loved that version of them, they also have an interesting relationship in Cry For Blood.
@@CasuallyComics Well then I will have to check that out. Thanks for the heads up!
There's so much to love in Justice League Animated and while at first I winced at the idea of THAT Huntress & THAT Question becoming a thing but by the end of the story I had to say that was an amazing ride. The writing and the voice acting just bowled me over. Such fun, those two!
They were adorable, the question in general is such a wild ride
I really like The Question.
Why not combine all of her origins into one? Salina gets pregnant, doesn’t tell Bruce, and puts Helena up for adoption. Helena is then adopted by the Bertinellis, witnesses their deaths, discovers she is adopted, finds her birth mother, and learns that her birth father is Bruce Wayne. That’s what I would have done, anyway.
That’s a perfect origin story
June 2020 update - Selina is pregnant in the Catwoman 80th anniversary issue and the chapter featuring this storyline is called “Helena”.
I would love to see a version of Helena Wayne who exists in the future of the main earth. Like imagine Helena Bertinelli died saving the world and Bruce and Selena named their future daughter fatre her, then she takes up the mantle. She could work alongside the Terry McGinnis batman...it would be awesome
There were original plans for Batman Beyond to include Huntress instead of a new Batgirl, but at the end they backed up and used Huntress on the JLU cartoon (and a Batgirl Beyond was created in the comics anyways)
OMG TERRY😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Agree like to see her again.
That’s great!
I prefer Bertanelli, but I’d like to see Wayne come back if they make her more interesting. Maybe she can be Damian Wayne’s partner when he’s the future Batman. Maybe she can be the Huntress of the future, and Bertanelli trains Wayne.
Also some Mafia humor
“Frank Bertanelli is the ruler of the Gotham mafia.”
Carmine Falcone: “I’m about to end this man’s whole career.”
Bertinelli is better in my opinion, I agree with you
Bartinelli is boring
The most disturbing thing DC did with the huntress character was in Batman: Brave and the Bold animated series. She was Helena Bertinelli but was dressed in the original Helena Wayne costume. She kept flirting hard with Batman. It felt so cringy.
@@quantum6888 the creators aren't kids. They knew what they were doing.
@@quantum6888 but what's your point? It was messed up and the people that made the show had to have known the cringiness of what they were doing.
@@quantum6888 and you are saying just because you didn't know of Helena Wayne no one of worth did. That's rather conceded of you.
@@quantum6888 that statement says more about you than anything else. Because I am someone important. We all are.
Jeri Brown google surprisingly wasn’t that big of a titan that many years ago
I grew up with Helena Wayne. I never understood why DC thought infinite universes were difficult to understand because my child aged brain totally got it.
Now I'd love to hear you cover Infinity, Inc. But also maybe the Legion of Superheroes.
My favorite iteration of the character has always been her pre-Crisis version. I always enjoyed her backup stories in Wonder Woman, many of which included Power Girl and there was a palpable melancholy in her dealings with the Earth-1 Batman especially after the death of her father. I even remember a story arc where the original Huntress challenged her for the right to use the name. They have done so many changes and retcons but now with the multiverse existing again they really need to find a way to bring back a version that is as close to her pre-Crisis version as is possible for modern writers to manage.
Me too!!!! That was the canonical first exposure to both. However, Helena Bertinelli is my absolute favorite iteration. Her growth under Dixon and Simone is exemplary
I'm old enough to be in the "Helena Wayne" camp. I will admit, I thought the Earth 2 and World's Finest titles were stand-out highlights of the New 52,
I liked Earth 2 as well. I also, and I seem to be in the minority, enjoyed at least the first part of the New 52 Wonder Woman run.
What about the Burton version, Helena Bonham-Carter? Her superpower, is being able to come back from the dead, whenever she gets killed by Johnny Depp*?
*...but, for some reason, always as a different character, at a different place, and in a different time period!
"Erasing history just because it's not hip is never a good look."
I like that line.
"Bette Kane, love interest for Robin, because no homo, seduction of the innocent"
God, you've really already talked so much about it, thanks for keeping it brief :,D
The whole Huntress arc in Young Justice was handled extremely well, paralleling the complexities of her backstories with a refined interpretation of her upbringing.
What Huntress arc?
I personally prefer Wayne as Huntress, but that’s probably because the New 52 version of the origin was the one I was introduced to. That and I’m a sucker for characters that are the children of other heroes like Jon and Damien. I like the other versions of the character too.
I like bertanelly version more but I respect your opinion
I prefer Wayne it just feels right
I was in high school when Helena Wayne/Huntress showed up and never had a problem with DC continuity. Its harder to deal with all the freaking recons that have occurred than it was to deal with Earth one and Earth two.
I agree. DC really tied their own hands behind their back with the elimination of the multiverse. Although they did do some good work integrating the Earth-One/Earth-Two histories, most of it not so much.
Watching Batman and Harley Quinn clips the scene where Harley and Nightwing get it on she actually refers to Seduction of the Innocence saying she had to write a paper on it.
I got to know Huntress in Simone's Birds of Prey run, so I enjoyed that version of the character. I also liked the Huntress mini-series that ran near the beginning of the New 52. As I recall, it seems that the original intention was for her to be Bertonelli, but before it ended, DC began an Earth 2 series, and that was when they switched her to being Wayne and had Power Girl show up at the end. Worlds' Finest was decent when it started, like a lot of the New 52 in my opinion, but like a lot of the New 52, it started to run off the rails after a while.
And of course, anything in Justice League Unlimited is automatically awesome.
You're right about the first new52 Huntress series. She was definitely meant to be Bertonelli and was no long after retconed into Wayne posing as Bertonelli which i thought was a cute around that.
I am partial to Helena Wayne as The Huntress, although I did grow up too with the Bertinelli version, but the Nu52 version, who was with Spyral, can go take a hike to nowhere.
I lean more to the Bertinelli version myself, but more because of the Justice League cartoon, that was the one who showed up there. My first real introduction to the Wayne version was in the live action Birds of Prey series back in the day.
I, too prefer the classic Huntress.
1:50 It was love at first sight when I saw the cover of DC Super Stars 17 at a yard sale in Sacramento as a kid.
Hell yeah, Helena Wayne! The daughter of Selena Kyle and Bruce Wayne.
I remember being a 8th grader, heartbroken over the death of Selina Wayne and excited about the birth of the HUNTRESS! She was such a cool new superhero!
6:04 Im sorry come again? Don’t remember that, just spit out my drink. Every time I hear Ric Grayson I feel punched in the face btw.
Huntress has always been my favorite DC lady. Thanks for this
The version of Huntress I like is from the Justice League Unlimited cartoon as most of my exposure to DC is through the awesome cartoon shows.
It worked out for decades, 'everyone stays 32 forever', they never aged, and that was cool. it's a comic, and we accepted that.
I didn't know that Helena Wayne did actual exist in comics when I first heard of her was in the TV series Birds of Prey & when she was taking to her therapist who was a villain in disguise I think it was Harley Quinn she revealed her parents were Bruce & Selena I was like WFT? No, she's Helena Bertinelli but after seeing your video about her I now realized Helena Wayne really did exist I just never heard of her so thank you for clearing this up.
That Helena (BoP TV series) was also Helena Kyle and had meta-human abilities. So she was a lot of things that had nothing to do with either version of the Huntress (at time of the television show's release) as they threw in a little Tim Burton crazy world into the whole mix.
Honestly, at least it wasn't as bad as Dinah Redmond, later Lance, with "psychic" powers instead of a canary cry when it comes to changes the show made.
I'm more an Helena Bertinelly fan, but Helena Wayne is interesting too. I don't see why they can't coexist, could have a lot of fun with them working together from time to time.
I kinda fell in love with the character during her time as a bird of prey pre-new52. I loved how she was the tough, strong, scary one but also very feminine, romantic, and how she really loved the shared friendship with Barbara and Dinah. Those 3 as they were back then were fantastic :)
OMG.
Totally here for the Huntress!
Gail Simon Birds of Prey all the way!
As for retcons... does Mayday Parker count?
Confused me with that one!
Riiight?!... I died when WB cancelled the live action Birds of Prey TV series (2002) all too soon... I mean, it was truly fantastic! (I firmly believe it inspired the main character for the Underworld movies in 2003!).
Always liked her best, along with Black Canary. I even used her--sort of--in a novel I wrote. Not close to the Helena Wayne or Helena Bertinelli character, but more or less a homage to her.
Great vid, by the way.
Great work again!
I just read Batman - Hush for the N'th time last night, where Huntress plays a minor role. I was going on my business today and saw the thumbnail of this video and something clicked.
At the end of the 10th chapter (Batman 617), Huntress seems to be influenced by Scarecrow's fear toxin and picks a fight with Catwoman. Setting aside her motivation and/or manipulation (which I found off), the thing that I remembered was that the Huntress saw Catwoman as another version of herself (I think it's a previous uniform, full body suit) and Helena says this while getting attacked by a confused and inquisitive Selina (translated from spanish):
"You can't take away what we are (now)"
"No! We can stop fighting if we stop them."
"You are what I used to be. That which I can no longer be."
Each one of those lines could refer to anything you said on this video, but the third one is most engaging.
One of those cosmic coincidences or TH-cam's omnipresent algorithms...
I'm on the very same boat! I've never seen her before (or after).
I was intrigued by how she was depicted on the start of the arc. You know, when she saves Batman in Crime Alley. How talented and fierce, yet flawed she was. How Bruce thought about how similar they were. How she needed to prove herself to Batman, to the rest of the Family and even to herself (even the lowly criminals mistook her for Batgirl).
In that depiction, I thought she was a really interesting character. She fitted in the Bat Family Universe, but wasn't just a cheap Batman female clone. I really wanted to see more of her.
Aaaaaand now I know it ain't happening. Crap.
Duke has always been "meh" for me. I don't know much about Batwoman (and doesn't invoke any interest for me). And Damian... I don't like the brat, to put it lightly.
Huntress felt like a much more fresh character in comparison. But what can you do?
I got my cake, ate it, and kept it. Wayne on Earth 2, Bertinelli (a better version) on Earth 0. It was one of those rare Post Flashpoint wins.
As a Sicilian, I love me some Bertinelli
Not an unreasonable fear. As a baby I got my tiny fingers caught in one of my Mom's hoops and subsequently ripped it out of her earlobe. 💫😰✨👂 EEYYOOWW Luckily it grew back.
And, yes she did have to get it repierced. But no lasting/visable scars, or permanent damage.
Helena Wayne and Kara are back in JSA. We don't know Kara's current origin, but Helena Wayne comes from an alternate future where Bruce is murdered and is currently on a timey wimey adventure.
Jesus, I was putting the Earth 2 PG and Huntress comic run on my reading list but did not realise how convoluted the whole thing was, knowing the countless crisis events going on.
Great video in explaining all of it.
To me, Huntress will always be a Wayne family member. What I hate is that Jade & Obsidian are gone.
New 52's Earth-2 really makes me want to punch a hole into the sun.
They're back! :)
I like Helena Wayne (from her first appearance) costume best.
I like the bronze age Huntress, This video has made me want to track down the bronze age Huntress, And Dan Didio never liked legacy characters which is why the New 52 wasn't liked by DC fans.
"She could never have the resonance..."
I hate to break it to that guy Bertinelli did indeed resonate more for me
Honestly the idea of Helena Wayne could be soooooo interesting especially with the whole Super Sons thing going on.
Just imagine a teen to 20 something Helena trying to deal with the whole Damian thing with the fact he was raised as an assassin but not just that there could be tons of cool conflict like the fact she's an older sibling to Damian.
Another conflict being she has tons of step siblings who were adopted or just taken in as part of the family and there could be some resentment there from one of the Robins since they feel Bruce treats her different because she's his biological daughter.
There could also be some conflict with the fact the Bat Family is kind of a sausage party (depending on which canon we're talking about of course).
There could also be some conflict between her and Damian since they have different moms maybe Damian resents her a bit since she would have a relatively normal life with her rich dad (and I'd hope mom cause they don't NEED to kill off Selina) instead of being raised as an assassin by a single mom and a bunch of female assassin's.
Like honestly Helena in the context of the Bat Family dynamic could just be super interesting just as long as they don't try having her date Dick again that's just frickin weird.
Dammit, Barry...
I am Wayne camp. I love legacy characters. It's such a pity they erase them.
So, from what I remember, Earth 2 Helena Wayne is Batman as of "Earth 2: Society" A book with incredible art that DC didn't market at all. Story-wise It's... It exists.
I don't hate it cause I'm a hardcore JSA fan so anything that gives me JSA vibes I'll give a chance, It's not nearly as bad as the other Earth 2 books.
And yeah, Batman, and honestly I'm cool with that.
Also, just discovered your channel today, I love it so far!! I'm always happy to see more down to Earth channels like this that delve into interesting histories and contexts of the topic they're talking about.
"Erasing history 'cause it's not hip is never a good look" is one of the best sentences I have ever heard on a comic-book-themed video
Thanks for the book. Someone in my home will enjoy this.
you are really awesome in how you present things factually with no judgement, but I am curious if you liked any or all of the reboots and their changes
Helena Wayne became Batman of Earth 2 during Earth 2: Society
I love both Helena Wayne and Helena Bertinelli however, Helena Wayne is by far my favorite. I was actually into the idea that the new 52 was going with, having Helena Wayne stuck on prime earth from Earth 2. I was excited to see that continue and hoped to eventually see her join the Birds of Prey. I don't hate Helena Bertinelli though, I think her backstory is intriguing. This version of the Huntress should even get her own Movie. I just love this character entirely. thank you for positing this video. new viewer and subscriber :)
Best Comic Book Lore History Teacher EVER!
I love Beertinelli, but i like wayne idea too, i won't mind having a earth-2 series..they jsut need stop destroying the alternative universes so quicly
So interesting. I remember when I got into comics as a kid I was all about Marvel, even though I came from a family (my uncle and grandfather) who read both Marvel and DC. That said, I bought Issue #1 of Huntress in 1989, making it the first DC comic I ever bought for myself (instead of just getting them from my uncle). I was struck as how great the art work was, and I bought a few more issues (I think...). At the moment, I have bins of comics from the 70s, 80s, and 90s sitting in a closet, so I am not sure how many issues of Huntress I have.
That said, it means that I have a soft spot for the character, but did not know of all the confusing origin story stuff. Thanks for sharing, and reminding me of that Issue #1.
DC can try and shift blame from Barry Allen, but I'll remember. I always remember all the stuff Barry Allen did to annoy me.
I miss her old outfits. Either the Batman Hush outfit with the open midriff or the Batman/Huntress outfit with the big cross. Makes her look like a sister in mourning yet also looking for retribution.
The Rebirth outfit looks too mundane aside from the purple color and mask.
Idk why but the “modern” redesigns of costumes like Batgirl and Huntress look more like cosplay than actual superhero outfits.
Some work like Superboys’ t-shirt in Young Justice, Hawkeye’s modern outfit in his solo run, or Harley Quinn’s roller derby outfit.
TLDR I miss her old outfits. And also wish comics were easier to keep track of.
Lovely video❤❤❤❤
Yo i love how passionately you over explain everything!
I like the version of the Helena bertinelli backstory used in the birds of prey the fantabulous emancipation of Harley Quinn as a mob princess without having been a victim of csa but still having the deeply rooted trauma of witnessing the family members being shot down and smuggled out by a sympathetic goon when he noticed she miraculously survived by pretending to be disposing the body and raised her with the skill set to be the huntress. It has an almost fairytale like quality to it like how many people were convinced that the slaughter of the romanovs somehow managed to have princess Anastasia slip away from the massacre and restart her life somewhere else even though we all know that wasn't the case when they were finally able to get DNA from the secondary burial to confirm that she had died as well. With Helena b we get to have our cake and eat it too tragic backstory with allusions to famous historical events without having to reference real life and actual people who died *cough cough animated Anastasia cough cough*
I love all of the Huntresses. Although, after the JLU cartoon I really wanted to see a live action movie with her and the ? knocking boots. But, I think the new Birds of Prey: And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn cast might make that awkward for younger or more sensitive viewers. Oh well, love your stuff. Have a great day.
I liked that post crisis 18 issue run. Joe Staton did an interesting style on that run. She even joined the JLI. I didn't understand the need to reboot her 6 years later instead of having her just return. It just made post crisis continuity messy without having a crisis being responsible for the change.
I know you probably don't care about a comment from a video from 3 years ago, but I love when you explain the confusing continuity of DC's messy history, and I like both Bertinelli and Wayne
I both Bertinelli and Wayne(I ship Bertinelli with Jason Todd)...as there are now 3 Helena's in continuity, i am enjoying JSA 2022's reintroduction of Helena Wayne...but my favorite Helena Wayne is currently the one from Batman/catwoman where she takes over the mantel of batman as batwoman. (ya the costume is hated). However ya, Helena should have just been made the fun way by batcat in new earth at the start...i hate the controversy of Helena Kyle because Helena Kyle...was introduced in BOP live-action series still as Batman's daughter.
My Favorite ... Helena WAYNE ... she's my first, my last, my everything (Barry White voice).
I really don't care who calls herself huntress, both wayne and bertinelli have amazing background stories, and they are in great teams. I would love to see an interaction between them
I prefer Helena Wayne, because I like the idea that every time there is a reboot, that the previous continuity continues on in its own world, and the superheroes get married and have children who grow up, and things happen to them too. I read a comic where Helena Wayne teamed up with Damian Wayne, and I thought that was great, and would buy a mini-series or ongoing series of that team up, Batman's daughter with Catwoman and his son with Talia.
I liked this episode. Ypur show is exceptional from what is out there. I'm a fan of yours. Please continue. I am partial to the Earth 2 Helena Wayne. I also love what Gail Simone did with her on Birds of Prey.
Another great video!! Helena Bertinelli from the post Crisis (particularly her Cry for Blood/Birds of Prey era) will always be my favorite, but I have a serious soft spot for Helena Wayne too. Both were done dirty by the New 52 reboot sadly. Ah well. Love that you're highlighting so many characters that I love and that you've done so much research into them!
I’m partial to the Earth-2 pre-Crisis Helena Wayne Huntress. I first saw the character when I picked up a copy of Adventure Comics sometime in the 1970s. Seeing “Death of Batman” on a comics cover reeled me in. Obviously, this was the Earth-2 Batman. I read the Bertinelli version in the 90s but it just wasn’t the same.
..I love how you go off script...makes your explanations more funny 🤓
I love you, Sasha!!! Great delivery. Beautiful presentation. Excellent hostess. Exceptionally fine looking woman!!!
I just found this page today! Love it! Love everything about it!
8:40 - Damn it Barry!
Considering Catwoman is pregnant in the comics currently, we will be seeing Helena again. So Damien will be having a little sister this time around
Ric calling Alfred the butler after his death was so out of character for Dick.
I really enjoy your sessions on characters like this whose continuity is so flubbed and bewildering (like poor Kara Zor-L or Donna Tory). I've been reading comics since the early 60s and it keeping all straight in my head is why I have constant migraines. :) On the plus side, it's assured me a retirement job in a comic shop! (Really!) :)
I want them to team up for a universe-hopping adventure!
I really and truly do love your videos because they are very informative to me and very enjoyable I love them
Hey i loved the Helens from the Birds of prey tv show
Thanks for plugging Kate Quinn's novel. She's a friend of mine, and a fabulous writer.
Helena Bertinelli the one after the crisis on infinite earths when i collected and read DC comics from 1986 til 1992
Share a character retcon that you found yourself surprisingly taken aback by
Bobby Drake suddenly being gay after around 50 years of published material.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem with characters displaying various sexualities, but I didn't see the need to retcon a beloved character. Just invent a new character for God's sake...
Captain Hydra~
Beast Boy originally being Brunette, then Ginger, then Brown hair again, then blond in some continuities
Cassie Sandmark/Donna Troy/ Diana Prince; their currently originals have mashed all of them together. And the blatant erasure of legacy Fury
finally putting to bed deadpool or T-ray being the real wade wilson - waaaay after T-ray fell into obscurity, or his insane inner voice being madcap
I love Huntress being the daughter of Batman and Catwoman. To me, Helena Bertinelli is in the same category as "Power Girl is an Atlantean"... poorly-fitting post-Crisis explanation for something that Crisis ruined.
I've always loved Helena Bertinelli and her backstory, but admittedly my only direct exposure to Helena Wayne was in Crisis on Infinite Earths. After watching your video though, I really want to delve deeper into the world of Helena Wayne.
The reboot was tacked onto Flashpoint when it was originally just a Flash story
You did an excellent job with the video.
Well from what I seen from the video, my favorite version of Helena would be that 2000’s version. Though the affair part of her retcon was meh to me.
Ric Grayson is a joke that’s not funny... like the Titans tv show.
The Helena most of us love is Justice League Unlimited Helena with so many issues that it’s hard not to relate.
OMG! Thank you for this explainer. I never new this confusing convoluted history of the Huntress. Why don’t they just retcon her story again and make her Helena Wayne, daughter of Bruce and Selena who has a thing for bad boys, goes and marries a mob boss son whose name is Bertinelli against her parents wish and that disapproval and decision gets someone killed by accident like Selena or some other side character and she becomes the Huntress and would have both names, Helena Wayne Bertinelli. Problem solved lol Anyway keep up the good work.
I think they just had a new series that basically went. Yeah "Everything" is canon. Meaning we now have all of these variations of Huntress at once technically. Not sure how to feel about that, except. I want into the Huntress-verse.
I didn't know much about her. Great video!
Your comic book knowledge>>>>
I had the Helena Wayne Huntress origin comic when I was a little kid in the 70s. I fell in love with her. She had such a brilliant yet tragic backstory that really drew me in as a child. After that, I didn't start reading comics again until the mid 80s. I did read the post-Crisis Huntress, and was just happy to see her again, whether Wayne or Bertinelli.
Batman and Catwoman are probably the longest running and most committed relationship either of those two have had, so I'd usually push for anything that cemented those 2 actually getting together. I'd still go with Bertinelli if you were doing a rebooted or spin-off universe and only wanted to work with one for simplicity. First....I'm mostly Sicilian, so I like seeing names that you could name a brand of Romano cheese after. Second, Gail Simone is one of my favorite comic writers working right now, and if I were trying to do a version of Huntress, you know I'd just be reading through as much of her Birds of Prey run as I could. Like, that's the definitive Helena for me. And third....she's not really a legacy character. You could develop her as her own thing, and then maybe tie her fully formed into Batman later whether you wanted to or not. I could make her a solo run, a Bird, a Leaguer, a potential Batwoman or Robin, whatever the story needed. For Wayne to make sense without time travel, a multiverse, or a continuous decades long story like Earth 2 had....Bruce and Selena woulda had to have started their career, teased each other, danced around 20 to 50 other relationships each, either seriously dated/married or had one wild night without a Cat-Rubber, got a kid, trained a kid, let her reach a reasonable adulthood, and THEN let her be a superhero. That means in continuity you're looking at about 25, 30 years after Bruce first peed his pants telling Gotham's elites that they aren't eating so well anymore.
I really loved Helena Wayne in the series Earth 2 Society and her friendship with Powergirl. She was tough, interesting, had a cool costume... then in that last issue when she became Batman was pretty amaz. She pulled off the trenchcoat look when adult Damian couldn't :)
I'm team Helena Wayne. Always thought it was pretty cool she was the daughter of Batman and Catwoman.
I recently found your channel with the episode on the origin of Power Girl's...assets.
As an old Earth 2 fan who read the late 70s run of All Star when it came out I'm happy to see the two Power Girl episodes and this one.
To answer your outro question, it should be no surprise I'm a fan of the original Helena Wayne iteration. While my first two DC loves are Wonder Woman and Legion, the JSA and its various legacies and spin offs (do you have an Infinity Inc. video or three yet?) are close to my heart as well. The fact that my first WW issue was #228 where the book transitioned from Earth 1 to Earth 2 a year after the return of All Star and monthly Earth 2 stories. Unlike All Star, though, this Wonder Woman run was set in WW2, I believe due to the ABC series starring Linda Carter running at the time (and the reason I bought the comic). I actually didn't start collecting JSA books until after this despite the year head start.
I am a Helena Wayne fan, never got on board with Helena Bertinelli, and appreciated the New 52 version. I loved how she used to be a Robin on Earth-2, but with Catwoman fighting skills; and how Helena Bertinelli was one of her Earth-Prime aliases.
I do appreciate her characterization in the Harley Quinn Birds of Prey movie though. "I do not have anger issues!" while viciously stabbing a goon, sliding down a funhouse chute.
I remember reading one of the Batman Adventures comics in the 90s featuring Helena Bertinelli. I think it was actually called Night of the Huntress. When you were breaking down her reintroduction from the 00s, it reminded me A LOT of what was in that comic.
Easy solution. If there's an Earth Two with Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman being part of the Justice Society and living during WWII, then there should be an Earth 1 where they were active during the Vietnam War, and Earth 0 where they are active now. On Earth 1, Barry's mother is still alive in the 80s, and for some reason Wally becomes Flash, marries Linda, and has children. On Earth 0, Barry is still Flash. Earth 1 has both Helena Bertinelli Huntress, and later Helena Wayne Huntress adopting the mantle. And best of all, a 50 year old Ron Raymond is still Firestorm on Earth 1.
The Helena Wanye, New 52, was originally the Robin on her world and Power Girl was the Supergirl. When the Trinity seemingly died fighting Darkseid's invading forces they went through a portal and ended up on Earth Prime. They do later return to their Earth to fight the returning Darkseid and team up with the heroes who come up after the Trinity is gone. The books are Earth 2 and Earth 2-Society.
I personally would be fine with the Bertinelli origins remaining, but adding a certain depth to it such as a villain having stolen Bruce Wayne's DNA so that the mobster Bertinelli is still not the father, the mother remembers cheating on him, but in fact it was something more to get Thomas Wayne's fortune... but it never panned out. The result was Helena with her mobster history fully intact and with a potential to be accepted as Bruce's sister, which is why she is a Wayne, but isn't. Yeah, I know the sister of Bruce isn't the same, but it adds to the Bat Family a dynamic he doesn't really have, a sibling, especially as he has a child in Damian. The similar stolen DNA story would help Damian have a loose connection, too. And this will maintain a difference between her and Batwoman's connection as Bruce's cousin. The age difference is easily explained by the DNA sample being preserved in a "bank".
The big reason I'd go this way is so it doesn't harm continuity for either Huntress mythos, but also that it doesn't start to mess up Catwoman's current(ish) history. And, if King had finished his plans, the Huntress could have still become the daughter of Batman and Catwoman.
I wanted to see more information about the huntress, and the question guy a love there, chemistry, and how they worked together, I just love their relationship
Really love your videos.