Building Better: Hyper Adobe or Earth Bags?
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In this video, we take a look at two popular building methods - Hyperadobe and Earthbags - to help you decide which is the best method for your next project! We cover the differences between the two methods, their advantages and disadvantages, and offer examples of projects that have been built using these techniques. Get all the facts in this informative video and find out which building style is right for you!
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We built a 2000 bag - 2 circle EARTHBAG home and just filled them in place, not lifting them, one coffee can at a time. It was harder to plaster, but for the inside I just used a box of drywall mud to save on time and energy, smearing it by hand and it turned out great.
Thanks for the tip!
Hola.. cuanto de circunferencia tu casa? Cuantas bolsas de cemento? Gracias!
Lisa would you make a video about your house explaining your method?
In South Africa we actually have a traditional building style called pole and dagga which is basically building a round frame out of branches and then a mixture of mud cow dung and dry grass is smashed onto both sides of the frame and then that's topped with a thatch roof. I find they are a bit to dark for my liking cause there's almost never windows or the windows are really small but they are always super cool inside even though they sometimes don't even have a door just an open entrance. These structures are really durable though I have been to some that have been standing for hundreds of years and even to some that have caught fire and the house is fine they just need to replace the roof
Super cool! I love natural building.
As you mentioned hyperadobe is so much easier and faster. We have found that hyperadobe can be done with one or two people. You just need to make a bucket dolly. The cold joints aren't an issue at all, and there are way less seams than with earth bags. Our son built most of the walls for his house completely by himself. Red just helped him finish the last bit. Here's a video showing the process we used to fill the bag with just one or two people. th-cam.com/video/BUmnIfSt04w/w-d-xo.html
The soil in our area doesn't have a lot of rocks, so we didn't see any need to sift or mix the dirt separately, which saved a lot of work. 🙂🏜️
Awesome. I need to modify our bucket dolly to stand on it's own. Having good soil really helps. Ours is 50% Rock it seems like... I think if I were to solo build and had the money I would do something like ICF. Everything is a trade off though.
I agree with you, except we use a Bobcat instead of Bucket Dolly!
@@Arizona-Desert-Rat-Realty do you have a video showing it in action?
@@user-ck7ro7ep3d What a Bob Cat in action? th-cam.com/video/hi9tOILaiNs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8V7n6_7vgxoZfbZy
Great info! Thank you for the detailed comparison
Glad it was helpful!
This was great, thank you! It's helped a lot to help me decide what I'm gonna do❤
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for sharing. I also love earth bags with cement plaster. 🇺🇲
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
such a great video! this is the best comparison discussion I've heard of. thanks for taking the time to compile all of this information in one place. I definitely learned a lot from this.
Glad to help! If there are other questions you want answered please let me know. I want more than anything to be a resource for this community.
Glad to help! If there are other questions you want answered please let me know. I want more than anything to be a resource for this community.
last year I was working on a solo earth bag build in Alabama. I didn't know everything you talked about in this video. it was a small dome build to get me started with hands on learning. even though we are in different climates, the natural building ideas are what appeal to me most. also anything water harvesting related would be enjoyable to watch and learn from
This is by far the most useful video I've ever seen on natural earth building and I've watched quite a few. If I could give you 100 thumbs up I would. I'm also wondering if you ever thought of doing a concrete stucco on the outside with a different breathable plaster on the inside of the building to allow moisture to evacuate?
Glad to help! If there are other questions you want answered please let me know. I want more than anything to be a resource for this community.
And regarding plaster. I have not thought about that. But I think that may be incorporated in the test project coming up in the next few weeks. Really interesting idea, thank you.
We are thinking of doing such after our unsuccessful earthen plaster on the out side.
This is great info! We chose hyperadobe from the start for the exact reasons you talked about. I think earth bags definitely have their place, but for our needs, it's hyperadobe all the way :) Love your channel and your builds...very inspiring!
Thanks for watching! I like hyperadobe a lot :)
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Различия между земляными мешками и гипер-саманным кирпичом
Земляные мешки и гипер-саманный кирпич - это типы строительства из самана, где используются местные материалы.
Оба материала долговечны, устойчивы к атмосферным воздействиям и огнеупорны.
Земляные мешки и гипер-саманный кирпич имеют низкую стоимость материалов и требуют больших затрат на рабочую силу.
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Преимущества и недостатки земляных мешков и гипер-саманного кирпича
Земляные мешки и гипер-саманный кирпич имеют свои преимущества и недостатки.
Земляные мешки могут быть построены независимо и в одиночку, в то время как гипер-саманный кирпич лучше работает с большой командой.
Земляные мешки имеют меньше просеивания и меньше проблем с составом почвы, в то время как гипер-саманный кирпич требует больше просеивания и больше внимания к составу почвы.
Земляные мешки могут использовать цементную штукатурку, в то время как гипер-саманный кирпич предпочитает известковую штукатурку.
Земляные мешки требуют больше физического труда, в то время как гипер-саманный кирпич требует меньше.
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Сравнение гипербетона и мешков с землей
Гипербетон имеет преимущество в стабильности и эффективности, но требует больше времени и усилий для создания.
Мешки с землей легче в использовании, но менее стабильны и требуют больше времени для создания.
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Плюсы и минусы каждого метода
Гипербетон: эффективность, меньше физического труда, но требует точности в составе почвы.
Мешки с землей: гибкость, возможность остановиться и начать работу, но требует больше времени и затрат.
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Выбор метода строительства
Гипербетон подходит для людей, которые готовы потратить больше времени и денег, но хотят повысить эффективность строительства.
Мешки с землей подходят для людей, которые хотят сэкономить деньги и готовы приложить больше усилий.
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U are doing well ❤
Thank you :)
In reviewing the pros and cons of earth bags vs hyper adobe I'm leaning in favour of compressed earth blocks. I believe stabilized CEBs to be easier to work with as a solo builder.
I think they could be an awesome option for a solo builder from what I've seen. I just don't have experience with them.
hyper adobe go long way thank you this helps us really
Happy to help!
Love your videos.
You mentioned you can't use hyperadobe to build a dome..very curious, why is that?
Hyperadobe uses a clay to clay connection so you want as much surface area as possible. The clay that is hanging in space as you go up has nothing to support it which could cause a collapse.
Super adobe has the clay bagged so the bag is what is holding the clay in preventing that collapse. I have thought about the possibility of doing a hyperadobe base and a super adobe roof... but I'm not 100% Sure there.
I am looking at some land in Apache County near St. John. I am interested in your opinion of the earth composition and what is nessessaru to add to the earth if anything? Thx
It's going to vary location to location. With our soil composition we add sand. For hyper adobe we add about an 8% mix of cement, though I don't think it's necessary. You want about 70% Sand to 30% clay for your mix.
Hi, thank you for this info. How much do the earthbags and the superadobe tubing cost?
Depending on the size and shipping location around $350-400 a roll.
Two rolls built our 300 sq ft home.
We have a contact form on our website at TerraformTogether.org/bags where you can get a quote.
Hope that helps
I’m thinking about building a greenhouse. Do you think that hyper-adobe would work for the moisture that will come along with a greenhouse?
We may be doing that out here. I think it would be fine. Just make sure you use a breathable plaster.
Which do you recommend for North Florida?
It depends on your soil and labor ability. So it's hard to say. Personally I like hyperadobe over earthbag.
great inff.
Glad it was helpful!
what you think about building a hybrid dome house using both hyperadobe and earthbags? Hyperadobe for the base and Earthbags for the dome?
I have thought about that and think it could work if you found a way to really secure the two different bags together.
Is there a difference between hyper adobe/earth bag vs rammed earth? Thank you
Hyperadobe and earthbag is a type of rammed earth. Traditionally people think of rammed earth walls as being built in a wooden form and then packed instead of in a bag. I've seen some really beautiful ones, but for me it's a lot more work and material costs so I haven't tried it.
Hello, I see conflicting/little information on the ability to do Hyperadobe domes? Are you able to do create a domed structure with this material? If not, why so? Also, one other question. Is it possible to build if you have a few nights dip below freezing? (rare... we are in West Texas, & plan on starting in February)
Thank you for the question. My understanding is that Superadobe can do domes because there is more tensile strength that comes from the barbed wire. Hyper adobe can not because it rely on the clay to clay bond.
Freezing is no big deal with these bags. We built ours during the winter where it would regularly get in the 20s at night.
Hey! Thank you so much for the reply. Yes, it seems from your reply and a few others, that it could possibly be done, but there's only a few people who've done it, & I don't want to take a risk being experimental with this go around. lol. Looks like for our first we shall do the earthbag. *Cries in barbed wire*@@TerraformTogether
Hey good afternoon from southern California im wandering where can i purchase the red mesh roll you use to build cause i look on the address you let in the comments but is on Amazon and the sell only single ones thanks
The hyperadobe bags are on our site at TerraformTogether.org/bags
It's an American made family fun business that makes the bags, so if you want to fill out the form they will get back to you likely Monday. They are by far the best bags I've worked with.
Thank you for your interest! If there is anything else I can help with just let me know.
so how would you compare hyper adobe to super adobe which would be the same long bag format that you prefer about the hyper adobe?
Personally I found working with barbed wire a nightmare. Superadobe requires barbed wire. If you want to do domes, my understanding is that Superadobe is required. Otherwise because of less material cost and not having to use barbed wire I think Hyperadobe is superior.
Thanks for that insight 👍🏼
Happy to help!
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What about mixing these two methods? If you want to build a dome, you can start with long tubes (hyper adobe) and at the top use earth bags. Will this option work?
I have thought about that. My thought would be to put hurricane ties to tie the two sets of bags together. I just haven't seen it done so I can't comment with certainty
If you are going to build a dome, you need tensile strength, which you achieve with barbed wire. Superadobe earth tubes are compatible with barbed wire. I can not speak for hyperadobe. I do not know if it has been tested by ICBO. Polypropylene tubes with barbed wire has been.
GREAT content! I'm planning to build a retirement home in Arizona (which is why I subscribed to your channel), so I have a question for you. What about plain old adobe? I'm figuring on renting a big cement mixer, and using it to mix up the adobe, pour it into wooden 2x4 forms (actually 1.5" x 3.5", the exact correct size for traditional adobe bricks) to create a lot of blocks. I figured out that I need about 1500 adobe bricks. I think a crew of three guys can knock that out in a week or two. I prefer traditional Spanish Colonial Revival houses, not the more creative domed earth bag and curvilinear hyper-bag houses. Am I way off base with my labor estimate?
There are videos on this on TH-cam and I think for a few years. From what I've seen the blocks look like aprox. 16"x16"x6 " in dimensions for mass thermal here in Arizona. Believe it or not there are machines that actually make bricks on site with highly compressed bricks for chemical bonding.
@@gzubeck3 Yes, I investigated the machines, and maybe I was just shopping at the wrong place, but the machines were over $5,000. So, a lot more than renting a mixer! And it would still take the same crew to run it and crank out the blocks, so no labor savings. I decided against. I was planning on traditional sized adobe bricks 16"x8"x4" (actually 3.5" high, but with mud mortar, it works out to 4"). The smaller size makes them lighter (about 40 pounds each) and easier to manage. Besides, in Arizona I have a real shot at finding guys who are experienced with adobe construction who would be familiar with traditional adobe bricks. I'm just worried that I've completely missed the mark with my labor estimates. Thanks for the tip! It's a delight to be able to talk about my house (aka new-found obsession) with someone. 😊
I haven't worked with traditional adobe brick, but considering it has been used for thousands of years it's certainly a valid building option.
I would look into Hyperadobe if you do have the budget to hire people. Basically, it's the same thing as traditional adobe (same mix), you're just making your bricks "in place" rather than making your mix, putting it into forms, letting it dry, then placing them, etc. etc. I don't have experience with traditional adobe, but my guess would be hyperadobe would be less labor cost.
Our 280 sq ft home took around 3 months to build, working with around 8 people, usually 2 full 8-10 hour days per week. So working 5 days a week full time the bag work could have been done in a month.
Regarding the style, you can totally do square buildings with hyperadobe you just need buttressing. Here is an amazing book on earth bag building in general: amzn.to/3qouamQ
If you do end up going with hyperadobe we get our bags from Volm, they are the best ones I've worked with those are available on our website at TerraformTogether.org/bags
@@TerraformTogether Awesome information - THANKS! Traditional natural building materials and techniques get short shrift nowadays, IMHO. When it comes to plastering, for instance, the best guy that I've found on TH-cam is The Nito Project. He does Awesome plaster work - including Tadalakt. Very useful videos. I'm going over to buy the book immediately. Love your channel, keep up the good work!
Adobe bricks can be mixed in an old fashioned cement mixing trough like the Mexicans have done for hundreds of years.. The oldest adobe buildings are made from adobe bricks. I live in Tombstone AZ which has many adobe structures from the1880's still in use. I grew up in one of them.
Great video. Unfortunate to hear it's not a great option for cold climates. In your opinion, what's the best option in a cold climate. We're in Ottawa, Ontario!
My recommendation would be to look at what other people are doing in the area. I assume something more insulated like straw bale would be good. You could do Hyperadobe/earthbag, You would just want to heat it really well.
24" cordwood!
@@thelawdoc8029I have never heard of this! Thank you!!
Look into sand in plastic bottles. Still will need some cement wire and rebar for strength. If you use two liter and three liter bottles double the walls, info online, suppose to be around 40 insulation. I live in Oklahoma. Alone, widow. Starting to replace a home that's falling apart. Doing this. 4 tons of sand cost 220 dollars..... Fills about 1,000 bottles. A one bedroom can take about 7,500 bottles single row. I'm single row and plan to double even here. Why, I live in slightly 1,000 a month. Can do myself. Something to look into.
@@Marsha-yl8wl interesting! Are you worried about plastic becoming weaker over time? And would it become brittle in the cold?
I think we'll go with two gabion walls with insulation and vapour barrier sandwiched between them :)
Wow this video helped me decide to go hyperadobe over dirt bag. Can we come and check yours out? We live near Anthem and are searching for land in Cochise. Let me know if you are open to this idea. We also want to check out a Mr. Ward who teaches these techniques I believe. I have to look at a video I saw earlier. Thanks so much and I look forward to meeting you soon. Felicia
Hi Felicia, We are hoping to start hosting monthly public build days probably in Mid-November. You can sign up to be notified on our website TerraformTogether.org once those get started. Also, My guess is that I am the Mr. Ward they spoke about haha.
So if I understand correct. If I have winter with a lot of snow both of this technics aren't for me?
You may just need a really good heat source.
Strawbale would probably be better. Or Earth sheltered.
Wet weather is fine for earthen buildings. You need eaves to protect the walls.
Correct.
Where can I find the bags !
We have a form on our site to get in contact with the supplier.
TerraformTogether.org/bags
@@TerraformTogether amazing thank you !
So hyper adobe can not be cement plastered?
Correct. Earthen walls need to be able to breath. Water can get behind the cement and pop your plaster off when it freezes.
Name of song in your intro, please
Connor Correll, Garden of Eden, he's one of our past community members and a great musician.
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I want to suggest earthquake proofing I've seen tested. It was done with Adobe Brick. You use a layer of wire construction cloth on the inside of the wall and the outside of the wall with the adobe in the middle. The inner layer is tied to the outer layer with wire on each course.
When they tested this, a brick only structure was found unsafe. However when they tested the exact same structure with the wire layers added, it not only withstood a significantly higher earthquake simulation. They were unable to make the structure fail at all. They were forced to shut down the test because they reached the limit of the machine, and it was on the verge of breaking the machine. The structures were about the size of a shed. Roughly 10x16 or something like that for the test.
Thanks for the knowledge! Luckily we don't have earthquakes where I live, but hopefully this is helpful for someone living in a more earthquake prone area.
@TerraformTogether my point was that it isn't just for earthquakes. My point was that it adds structural reinforcement. Just like rebar does to cement. Would you pour a concrete foundation without rebar? Of course not. Then why would you suggest building a wall without it. Especially a wall that weighs many thounds of pound.
I don't advocate abandoning the old or the new. I'm just keeping all the options of both. Some decry the use of cement. To me, that's foolish made from egotism. Some decry the use of gravel. What is the difference between putting a wall on a gravel foundation or a cement footing? If it can hold the footing, then it can hold the wall.
For a decade, I drove past a stone house(perhaps more accurately large cabin) twice a day that was at least a century old. It had been neglected and abandoned for decades. And barring the fact it lacked any modern amenities like piped in water, sewage or electricity it would have been completely habitable. A city had grown up around it, and it was a historical curiosity. It is too expensive to modernize or tear down.
Wood heater would sort out the cold and the walls would hold the heat during the day and release at night so hyperadobe would be perfect for aomewhete cold.
True True.
Was wondering if anyone has tried recycling LG Dog food/Cat food bags to use as earth bags?
I haven't. But green dream project used old feed bags I believe
The oldest standing building in Los Angeles is adobe. :)
I believe it! Some of the oldest buildings in the world are!
Seems like hyper adobe would be more difficult if you were doing straight walls like an octagon shape as opposed to a circle.
I haven't noticed a big difference difficultly wise doing straight vs round walls. Round doesn't require buttressing while straight walls do. So I guess round is a bit easier for the amount of bags you have to lay for the same square footage.
@@TerraformTogether Thanks for the fast replies. The buttresses go at the corners where straight walls meet am i correct on that?
Have ya'll considered Earthship building?
Check out our Hyperadobe tiny home build! We're working on one :)
@@TerraformTogether I have been following
I've been watching a family build several earth bag structures using continuous bags rather than sandbag style bags. The channel is - mylittlehomestead - here is the link to one of their builds - th-cam.com/video/nZrW0v13BJI/w-d-xo.html
They are great and use the hyperadobe bags I believe.
Earthbags should be done in place or rather tipped into place. You made it so much harder on yourself filling then carrying and lifting! Oh I feel for you, that must of sucked!
I saw green dream do that after haha. I still like hyper adobe better
Considering these types of homes are so natural disaster proof how in the world would you make a roof with comparable strength. Your house might not be harmed at all by a tornado but a wood roof would get obliterated leaving you roofless and all ive ever seen used on these are wood for roofs unless you do a dome but those have limitations to how large they can be so you have less design choices.
Possibly. The roof is tied into the bags with literal tons of weight. We also doubled our hurricane ties. It's probably not perfect, but I'm sure better than a conventional build.
@@TerraformTogether I didnt know that it was tied to the bags themselves as an anchor. I guess that surely would make it more resilient than a normal roof.
I think so! Few tons of weight vs some metal brackets
9:12 In this video they seem to have built a dome with something that looks similar to hyper adobe: th-cam.com/video/Dcu71gSOogg/w-d-xo.html
That's super adobe! Very similar, you just use barbed wire to hold everything together instead of the clay. Superadobe you can do domes. I just don't have experience with it personally, so I can't really speak on it.
@@TerraformTogetherOkay! I don't really know the difference myself; I just saw the long tube that spiraled around the top of the dome and associated it with the hyper adobe that you used. I thought that maybe it was the fact that you used a long tube instead of many small bags that prevented you from making a dome with hyper adobe, but maybe that's not the case?
They are very similar. Superadobe is similar to the individual bags as far as materials go. It uses barbed wire to hold everything together. Hyperadobe has holes so the clay particles can fuse together between all the layers. You can do a dome with the individual bags as well. Just not with Hyperadobe because the clay bonds don't have enough strength to handle the weight in the way thick barbed wire can.
@@TerraformTogether Okay, that makes sense. What about using barbed wire with hyper adobe? Would that work, or would that be cheating?
@@kristoferkrus Traditional earthbags and Super Adobe are much tighter woven and therefor the bag is stronger. I don't think barbed wire with hyperadobe would work well since it is more individual strands. The big advantage to hyperadobe is that you don't have to use barbed wire... the draw back is to my knowledge you can't do domes.
Super adobe from what I hear is a good building method as well, I just don't have personal hands on experience with it.
Ur talking nonsese the individual bags are better if u stack them well they are permanent. U people always try to over complicate things that are simple.
Us people do have our annual meeting to irritate you people and talk non sense
Why sift the earth? Rock is strong.
It can tear up your bags and be a pain when you're making your mixes. A few little rocks aren't that big of a deal and not everyone has to sift, but we have A LOT of rocks in our dirt.
Don't believe the hype, cement isn't that bad. Its strength and longevity are worth the co2
It's like anything I suppose, how you use it. Single use plastics aren't good. But used in something that will last 100+ years it's okay.
There is nothing wrong with co2. Nothing. Bunk “science”, from political activists.
I love concrete a great product that lasts, hey it's way better then asbestos and look how much we used that until we found out it was bad😊
@@stellarjayatkins4749thank you for the dose of truth!
I have a cannabis farm in Oregon and have been taking all my stalks every year hammer milling them,drying,bagging and then mixing these fibers into my aircrete bricks has been loads of fun 😊