The show's writing and acting is brilliant, but the casting is next level. The actors look, act and speak so much like the killers they're playing. Kemper, manson and son of sam are so creepy but interesting.
I read not indefinitely. Fincher is working on a film, and he being a perfectionist wants to put all his focus on it. So it's on hold till after the movie is complete. Not indefinitely, at least for now.
@@henryjack5114 I am so glad. I read that it was on hold indefinitely on a couple of places on the net. I am hoping it comes out soon. I'm hooked. Thank you for posting.
Best thing Netflix has EVER done. That's why I predict it's going to be cancelled. Like all leftist morons they don't know a good thing when they got it.
This show had the tragedy of streaming on Netflix, a platform where shows are mostly fast paced, lean on cliff hangers, cant have "slow moments." While the beauty of Mindhunter is it's slow burning narrative. I really hope we can have a season 3.
That guy who played Manson was unbelievable. Everytime I've watched that episode, I absolutely buy in that it's the real Manson. It's one of the best performances I've seen in my life.
Same, hell, that moment when he takes the copy of Helter Skelter and signs it, the way he plays it down knowing how Ford is going to react to it. Genius writing, truly.
I wonder how many Breaking Bad fans realize he's the same guy from the infamous "Tucker!!" scene (the one shouting that, that is, not the kid Jesse tricks into digging a pointless hole in the yard)
Just like seven, minus the obvious. And it still feels like one of the most visceral violent inhuman films I’ve ever seen. So much more than 10 million shitty violent films
Mindhunter is so effing good, but theyre going to have to do a hell of a time skip if theyre going to catch BTK, he wasnt caught until the early 2000's
Still waiting for Gacy, Henry Lee Lucas and Dahmer. I don't think anyone will be as fascinating as Kemper, though. It's his intelligence and demeanor that gets me. I want to listen to Him and be his friend....I'd probably end up in the backyard...
I love this analysis but I disagree on one point. None of Fincher's camera movements are ever "accidental". They are entirely deliberate and precisely thought out. They always have an exact purpose, even when they are so miniscule that you barely notice them or think they're unintentional. In the interview with Tex, they are there to subconsciously highlight the tension. It seems it's the most relaxed interview, the most straight forward one, but we are all on the edge of our seats trying our best to figure out if Tex is bullshitting us or if he actually believes what he's saying. It's a lot more subtle and a lot harder to see through, there's no obvious signs and you're so focused and tense you can cut that tension with a knife. Those camera movements confirm that tension by tilting in line with the characters leaning in, just like we are leaning in towards the screen with anticipation. Fincher uses a lot of stationary camera shots masterfully, but it's the shots where he moves the camera that are his biggest masterpieces.
Like the scene where Tench is on the retreat and is explaining how people start to develop a profile that aligns with his investigation. Director Webster was talking about how you can see killers/messed up people from a young age and that if he could,he would lock them up forever. The camera then slowly zooms into Tench, thinking about how maybe what the director said could relate to Brian, how they were run aways, loners and never fit in just like how Brian was in school. Shows great
Totally agree. I really didn't know if I believed what Tex was saying, or even if he believed it, and I think that's what Fincher was trying to get across. You said it a lot better than I did lol
Good observation. I wasn’t sure whether Tex was genuine or not and the scene was played sympathetically “ in my head”. However there was also an air of mistrust. This is just my take on it. I’m no expert by any stretch of the imagination “I say what I see” That said I absolutely love this show. I can’t get enough and will wait in anticipation for the next season
I agree with you, however the episode you're referencing was not directed by David Fincher. The director was Andrew Dominik (Assassination of Jesse James, Killing Them Softly). Fincher directed the first 3 episodes of the second season.
Right. I appreciate that he chose to examine the shots, but I felt they were a bit shallow observations, but not useless, of course. The kemper scene for example, Ford and Tench are in the same shot not to remind us that Tench is a chaoerone, but that they are on the same page of thinking. Then they are divided with closeup shots as they both go on their own with asking kemper questions, while the camera slowly changes to having kemper in the middle. When someone is the in the middle of a composition they have the most power, so the audience feels small. That's why it was creepy. Because Tench and Ford were broken and Kemper won the scene. It was believable because the dialogue, music, acting, cinematography all worked in harmony. I do like how he handled this video, but it doesn't give a lot of help to someone who wants to try showing and not telling. Art is a series of patterns, it's not magic. Many artists say they work with feelings, but also because they know the patterns so well it feels like it's intuition. I wanna see more concrete videos about Mindhunter
Fincher's going about Mindhunter like you see those "crime board" cliches used in bad detective shows, but in reverse, and in a really clever way. Instead of starting with the many and coming to down to one, it starts with one (Kemper) and branches out and down exponentially as they learn more about the crimes and add more categories to the pathology. Kemper's one scene in season 2 is shot in the chapel, where he's directly under a cross and in front of the electric keyboard. He's the point of origin of all of it, preaching and teaching Ford in the pews about the darkest parts of the human psyche.
If you guys think about it we could've had season 3 by now damn it. And it would've been damn good timing seeing as i'm binging this episodes like the oxygen I take in
This is one of the most well crafted videos I've seen on TH-cam in quite a while! Loved the breakdown with the blue and yellow frames from 5:39. Will definitely be sticking around to see more!
One of my favorite "show don't tell" moments ironically comes in the form of a conversation between Dr. Carr and Tench after the interview Elmer Wayne Henley. They go back and forth about Henley's involvement in the crimes, with the topics of homosexuality and age coming up, and of course both Carr and Tench are defensive about each of these topics, with Carr being gay and Tench having just learned his son was involved in the death of a child. It may be obvious but I think it's such a good moment that illustrates the struggles and the character of both of them and it doesn't beat us over the head with why they think the way they do. Dr. Carr doesn't come out to the group here, and Tench does make some dramatic reveal about his son either. It's just an important scene that is there to discuss the nature of the crimes while also giving personal involvement to the characters that adds drama to a simple exposition scene.
What a brilliant show. I binge-watched it one weekend and couldn’t stop until I consumed each and every episode. Great writing and great actors. That dude that portrays Manson was really fucking good. The Kemper dude was awesome as well. Just a great show about true crime and serial murderers. BRILLIANT!!!
G'day Skip, I'm retired now but I used to be a film and TV critic for a large newspaper. Early on in my life, growing up with more and more TV that came from America, and after, I became totally turned off the typical cop show, lawyer show and doctor show. All set out, written and edited to fit neatly into an hour slot with the requisite minutes devoted to commercial breaks. I haven't truly enjoyed any cop show since Hill Street Blues, yet that followed the established recipe, it was well scripted and acted by talented people. Then comes Mindhunter. What a totally fresh breath of air and how courageous to show the reality that 90 percent of detective work is just sitting in a room talking to people. But what people. Mr Fincher has totally nailed the casting, heaven knows how. His 'groundbreaking', long rehearsal periods followed by precise multiple takes has truly shown what is possible when the TV show is director driven and not, producer/network/sponsor driven. Unlike thousands of TV directors and producers over the decades, Mr Fincher has loaded up a Mack truck with minimalism and driven it, full speed, through the walls of TV Land. Why is it so good? Because so much work goes into that minimalism. Sadly, I binge-watched 2 seasons, now I feel like three good friends have gone away for a year... I miss them, and, the brilliantly portrayed killers. Cheers, BH. P.S. I have to mention the show's only deliberate gag: When Holden Ford is at an airport he tells the ticketing agent that Holden Ford really is his name and it's only a joke, in Australia. This is because Holden and Ford are the two major car manufacturers here and have such fierce competition that they would never be mentioned in the same sentence, let alone someone's name. I'm willing to bet that line came from the Australian actress, Anna Torv, one of the leads.
I would LOVE a deep dive on Succession, that show doesn't get enough love and is probably the best thing I've watched in years Great video ! So often with shows about serial killers they focus on gratuitous violence of reenacting the murders or bloody gore, which can be interesting, but the conversational format is much more engaging to me. Zodiac is my favourite David Fincher film so Mindhunter is just perfect for me Also as a new film studies student thank you for the shot analyse, they were very helpful in my understanding of what different shots look like and what their use may mean/be for
Loved this breakdown. I've been on an obsessive Fincher binge lately and I can't get over how technically genius his work is. Side note: I'm glad you included the Chaos book about Manson in that shot on 10:57. That's probably my favorite novel on the subject despite how Conspiracy Theory it sounds.
Which "Hollywood" needs to seriously stop portraying! It doesn't add depth to the character... just makes the characters from that period look weak-minded. peer-pressured habit forming an disgusting. no positive benefits to the story line.
@@creolerican I agree smoking is a terrible habit but in that time it's wasn't frowned upon like it is now..It wouldn't have been true to the era if it didn't show that in the past there was smoking on planes,work places even hospitals..
The fact it is slow and still entertaining shows how much detail and movement is included in each one of those interview shots, it captures actual interview dynamic. Which is why it is so refreshing to watch as David Finch manages to make the scenes entertaining by displaying thought as action.
The casting crew did an amazing job picking actors to portrait the serial killers they are so into the characters, their personalities traits are so on point, I hope there is a season 3
The best scene of this show is when Ed Kemper hugs Ford. Ford runs out the door and while doing that you will see the use of a handycam instead of a steadycam the first time on the show. But the best thing is, is that the shot goes from a shaky shot to a stable shot in a oneshot. Which shows that Fords world is coming down but he is getting himself together, like Tench told him to, at the same time. It's brilliant!
david fincher is so good. i hope at least once in his life, hollywood will give him a massive budget to create a summer blockbuster, I always wondered what would that look like
i would sell my soul to get 30mins with Fincher. i'm writing a 7 book series that could only be directed by him. (to be done properly). This is my dream. think scope of Dune, darkness of True Detective, visuals of Se7en, action of Sicario, pace of Banshee, and emotion of The Grey. meanwhile...i press on to finish them.
A manlet who compensated with narcissistic sociopathy..but a manlet nonetheless. Siting on that chair does make him look more domineering to Ford and Tench
It draws in a viewer like literally being a fly on the wall for the interview of notorious serial killers, if you're of an interest, its riveting. We've seen on and on, action engages, but it's dialogue that tells you what's going on from the surface down....
You messed up the Manson one. Bill Tench was going through stuff at home where his son was involved in a murder, that's why he was getting aggravated about Manson saying the children's upbringing was turning them into killers
Im so glad that everyone here took time to notice how amazing mindhunters is! It is very underrated. Mindhunters is wayy better than Riverdale or any of those plain shows!
@@futurestoryteller yeah, its comparing apples and oranges with those two. Mindhunter is an intriguing show that was carefully thought out, while Riverdale is... I don't even know at this point. I can't actually think of any shows quite to the caliber of Mindhunter. If anyone knows one, please say so
Please don't make me defend Riverdale, but this does seem a bit unfair. Compare Mindhunter to something like Succession or Chernobyl, not a stupid show meant for teenagers
This show does Show not Tell. It's about how the unit was formed and how they got their information from interviewing serial killers and that's what is shown. It's not about what the killer did or how they were caught, it's about how the FBI talked to them to understand them. This show does Show Don't Tell perfectly.
One of my all time favorite movies is called "The Man From Earth" and it is 100% exposition. It is literally just a bunch of people sitting around a living room talking, but it is just SOOO good.
Discovering this series, completely by accident, was an absolute treat. I honestly don’t know why it hasn’t received more publicity & recognition. It’s rarely drops below compelling and verges into brilliance at times.
I just rewatched the show again, and now I'm here watching these videos for another time. I can't help but be more disapointed that we won't be getting a third season.
It's a shame so many people don't have the attention span to enjoy slower paced shows like this or "Better Call Saul". Most would rather sacrifice an intricate, rich story for a shallow and dull plot that requires "exciting" action to keep people's attention.
You did so much work at every level of this video! Scenario, montage, new look at same scenes, comparison of shots and everything is so on point and easy to follow. Thank you!
This is excellent. Thank you for this analysis. Whilst watching it, I never paid any thought to how the camera was static. It certainly does allow the viewer to focus on the conversation and the behaviour. Really hoping there will be a season 3 and beyond. Compulsive viewing.
One thing I love about the show is how in every interview you get a glimpse into their triggering points. Every serial killer has a trigger point as explained early in the show and each killer interviewed showed. The Candy Man's boy who lashed out when questioned on his homosexuality, Richard Speck threw the bird in the fan when asked about compassion, Manson being called a midget (He hated being made to look small) and watching the show back i noticed almost every interviewed showed this and it resulted in either a lash out or the interview be cut short. Brilliant script writing, i don't think any show can beat that feeling when a new serial killer is being interviewed ☺ don't make us wait long for Season 3 please!
Not just the killers, but all the lead characters themselves. The psychology of the characters and how it influences the interviews as well as their work in deciphering the serial killer psychology is a huge point in the show
There has been nothing that i have seen capture my interest like 'Mindhunter' did...its almost as if they went inside my brain and tailor made this for me...i love each second of it...
Coming from the recent Fincher interview about season 3 probably never going happen, it saddens me every time I watch analysis vids about Mindhunter with the knowledge that we'll never get to see more. We didn't deserve this show.
How THE FUCK is TH-cam sleeping on this channel? This should be up there with Patrick H, LFTS, Just Write etc. etc. This shows incredible depth of understanding of the craft and deserves 1000x more recognition.
I find a lot of truth in the thought that when you zoom in too closely to something, anything, that the sense behind it all but evaporates. To me, it's like close reading or micro-reading where you analyze a paragraph literally word by word, trying to dissect the meaning of every letter (or every aspect of this film) only even more intensive. To one of the most extremes examples... It's like saying "red" one hundred times, spelling it out loud one hundred times, thinking about the way the words and letters feels on your tongue, only to sit down and write an analysis of the experience. The word, the letters, they lose all meaning, all sense of purpose, and it becomes non-sensical, and the meaning of consciousness and life and existence is called into question because... red. Also apparently red sounds a lot like ribbet, the sound a frog makes.
tahnk You so much for putting into Words what I've always been thinking 'bout we both know, Words cannot express it BUT You made a very GREAT effort to put it into Perspective, Thank You
The "Show, Don't tell" motto to be more exact is "show, don't explicitly tell what you are trying to express to an audience." While Mindhunters has a lot of dialogue, they aren't violating that rule. The murders are not the point. The character study from the dialogue is. What is in between the lines. I thought that was obvious. 🤷🏻♀️ Trying to make a point about why it works when it supposedly shouldn't is a false start because it is doing exactly what it needs to do, showing character.
I think we forget that dialogue is a tool as well, it doesn't have to be a necessity and using a lot of it doesn't mean boring exposition all the time. My favourite example of that in this show is the scene where Holden is talking to the shoe guy, and you slowly realise that he's so deluded he's separated his crime from himself, but is in some way subconsciously aware that he is in fact the murderer. The dialogue there is so good and well acted, and imo it's still show don't tell even though they are literally telling you what happened.
I've researched serial killers since I was a teenager, don't ask why..... just always been fascinated by them and how they become who they are. How cute little smiling babies can grow up to eventually become human butchers. But anyway, Mindhunter is the most realistic portrayal of serial killers I've ever seen. Ed Kemper and Charles Manson's characters are particularly well done. This show needs to come back. The 80s just has so many good subjects, the green river murders were occurring, there were Bundy interviews done, Gacy interviews. We also need the BLK story to continue and eventually come to an end. The sunset murders occurred in the 80s. And if they go into the 90s then we can possibly see how they assisted in the mother of all serial killer cases, Luis Garavito! 140 confirmed murders of young boys with the tally possibly reaching over 300. And he's actually scheduled to be released soon.....smfh.
What's your favorite interview in Mindhunter's second season?
Manson!
Still Kemper
Son of Sam was brilliantly done.
@@joaoluizsn Agreed.
Skip Intro Really liked Carr & Greg(?)’s one on one with Junior
The show's writing and acting is brilliant, but the casting is next level. The actors look, act and speak so much like the killers they're playing. Kemper, manson and son of sam are so creepy but interesting.
it really really is unbelievable
Mindhunter has definitely been one of my favs. The story, the casting everything is just so good.
Son of Sam casting was spot on
I don't think there has been a actor on Mindhunter who didn't ace the acting.
The police and the criminals are all top notch.
There's some brilliant prosthetic makeup on a lot of the actors
I read that the 3rd season of Mindhunter is on hold indefinitely. I hope not. It's one of the best things Netflix has to offer.
I read not indefinitely. Fincher is working on a film, and he being a perfectionist wants to put all his focus on it. So it's on hold till after the movie is complete. Not indefinitely, at least for now.
@@henryjack5114 I am so glad. I read that it was on hold indefinitely on a couple of places on the net. I am hoping it comes out soon. I'm hooked. Thank you for posting.
It could change later on, but as of currently not indefinitely. And I hope not as well! It’s become my favorite show and is so good!
Noooooooo 🥴
Best thing Netflix has EVER done. That's why I predict it's going to be cancelled. Like all leftist morons they don't know a good thing when they got it.
This show had the tragedy of streaming on Netflix, a platform where shows are mostly fast paced, lean on cliff hangers, cant have "slow moments." While the beauty of Mindhunter is it's slow burning narrative. I really hope we can have a season 3.
:/
#releasemindhunter
This should have been an HBO project where they believe in good writing potential
Rumors say it might actually happen.
Actually gonna fuck myself if s3 doesn’t come out. Step aside bitches, lemme direct the third season if u ain’t doin it 🙄
"You look like a composite of what someone told you you are."
That is such an amazing quote!
Read that in the same moment as the scene started playing! And yea... that is an amazing quote!
Was this Manson?
@@jackmullan2160 Yes!
Manson knew people, that's why society and the "system" feared him so much.
@@NidgeOSullivan Manson knew people, he knew the world came in a bastard child. But, that didnt mean he had to play a drunk stepfather.
That guy who played Manson was unbelievable. Everytime I've watched that episode, I absolutely buy in that it's the real Manson. It's one of the best performances I've seen in my life.
Same, hell, that moment when he takes the copy of Helter Skelter and signs it, the way he plays it down knowing how Ford is going to react to it. Genius writing, truly.
Edmond Kemper was also extremely well played by Cameron Britton..
That guy was also in the show Justified.
I wonder how many Breaking Bad fans realize he's the same guy from the infamous "Tucker!!" scene (the one shouting that, that is, not the kid Jesse tricks into digging a pointless hole in the yard)
He is also in mr in between. The actor is native to Australia unbelievably
Not one killing scene and still one of the most bone chilling TV series.
Just like seven, minus the obvious. And it still feels like one of the most visceral violent inhuman films I’ve ever seen. So much more than 10 million shitty violent films
Another day another video on literally the most underrated Netflix show ever
Mindhunter is so effing good, but theyre going to have to do a hell of a time skip if theyre going to catch BTK, he wasnt caught until the early 2000's
True. But he could be the One that got away (for them). He dissapeared for Many years... so he could be the final epilogue.
Still waiting for Gacy, Henry Lee Lucas and Dahmer. I don't think anyone will be as fascinating as Kemper, though. It's his intelligence and demeanor that gets me. I want to listen to Him and be his friend....I'd probably end up in the backyard...
Signe Aarøe Jørgensen gacy was childhood friends with the agent bill tench was based on, they could use it if they were gonna have a gacy plot line
They're going to act as if season 2 didn't exist with a new killer and maybe they will show bits of that time. I think BTK is season 4 material.
It's been 20 years. It'll be retro now.
I love this analysis but I disagree on one point.
None of Fincher's camera movements are ever "accidental". They are entirely deliberate and precisely thought out. They always have an exact purpose, even when they are so miniscule that you barely notice them or think they're unintentional.
In the interview with Tex, they are there to subconsciously highlight the tension. It seems it's the most relaxed interview, the most straight forward one, but we are all on the edge of our seats trying our best to figure out if Tex is bullshitting us or if he actually believes what he's saying. It's a lot more subtle and a lot harder to see through, there's no obvious signs and you're so focused and tense you can cut that tension with a knife. Those camera movements confirm that tension by tilting in line with the characters leaning in, just like we are leaning in towards the screen with anticipation.
Fincher uses a lot of stationary camera shots masterfully, but it's the shots where he moves the camera that are his biggest masterpieces.
Like the scene where Tench is on the retreat and is explaining how people start to develop a profile that aligns with his investigation. Director Webster was talking about how you can see killers/messed up people from a young age and that if he could,he would lock them up forever. The camera then slowly zooms into Tench, thinking about how maybe what the director said could relate to Brian, how they were run aways, loners and never fit in just like how Brian was in school.
Shows great
Totally agree. I really didn't know if I believed what Tex was saying, or even if he believed it, and I think that's what Fincher was trying to get across. You said it a lot better than I did lol
Good observation. I wasn’t sure whether Tex was genuine or not and the scene was played sympathetically “ in my head”. However there was also an air of mistrust. This is just my take on it. I’m no expert by any stretch of the imagination “I say what I see”
That said I absolutely love this show. I can’t get enough and will wait in anticipation for the next season
I agree with you, however the episode you're referencing was not directed by David Fincher. The director was Andrew Dominik (Assassination of Jesse James, Killing Them Softly).
Fincher directed the first 3 episodes of the second season.
Right. I appreciate that he chose to examine the shots, but I felt they were a bit shallow observations, but not useless, of course.
The kemper scene for example, Ford and Tench are in the same shot not to remind us that Tench is a chaoerone, but that they are on the same page of thinking. Then they are divided with closeup shots as they both go on their own with asking kemper questions, while the camera slowly changes to having kemper in the middle. When someone is the in the middle of a composition they have the most power, so the audience feels small.
That's why it was creepy. Because Tench and Ford were broken and Kemper won the scene. It was believable because the dialogue, music, acting, cinematography all worked in harmony.
I do like how he handled this video, but it doesn't give a lot of help to someone who wants to try showing and not telling.
Art is a series of patterns, it's not magic. Many artists say they work with feelings, but also because they know the patterns so well it feels like it's intuition. I wanna see more concrete videos about Mindhunter
Fincher's going about Mindhunter like you see those "crime board" cliches used in bad detective shows, but in reverse, and in a really clever way. Instead of starting with the many and coming to down to one, it starts with one (Kemper) and branches out and down exponentially as they learn more about the crimes and add more categories to the pathology. Kemper's one scene in season 2 is shot in the chapel, where he's directly under a cross and in front of the electric keyboard. He's the point of origin of all of it, preaching and teaching Ford in the pews about the darkest parts of the human psyche.
It was about the evolution of profiling serial killers, the agents actually did expand their web lol 😂
RIP the best show Netflix has ever produced
But at least they're coming out with a third "To All the Boys I've Loved Before" movie 😎😎😎
@@seanhooper446 😂😂😂
I think Bojack Horseman is better, but that's also over so same
@@seanhooper446 🤮🤮🤮
@@debrachambers1304 yeah, but Bojack Horseman had a satisfying ending that wrapped up everything
Im gonna be so pissed if this show is cancelled !!
Yes!
Well, 8 months later and still no news on this. Fingers crossed!
Let’s Boycott netflix!
If you guys think about it we could've had season 3 by now damn it. And it would've been damn good timing seeing as i'm binging this episodes like the oxygen I take in
ahm, guys... should we tell him?
The actors portraying Edmund Kemper, Charles Manson and David Berkowitz are so uncanny is frightening
The actor playing Wayne Williams the Atlanta child Muderer is so creepy and looks almost exactly like the real killer ..
@@angelc2343 right? I looked up pictures of Wayne Williams
This is one of the most well crafted videos I've seen on TH-cam in quite a while! Loved the breakdown with the blue and yellow frames from 5:39. Will definitely be sticking around to see more!
One of my favorite "show don't tell" moments ironically comes in the form of a conversation between Dr. Carr and Tench after the interview Elmer Wayne Henley. They go back and forth about Henley's involvement in the crimes, with the topics of homosexuality and age coming up, and of course both Carr and Tench are defensive about each of these topics, with Carr being gay and Tench having just learned his son was involved in the death of a child. It may be obvious but I think it's such a good moment that illustrates the struggles and the character of both of them and it doesn't beat us over the head with why they think the way they do. Dr. Carr doesn't come out to the group here, and Tench does make some dramatic reveal about his son either. It's just an important scene that is there to discuss the nature of the crimes while also giving personal involvement to the characters that adds drama to a simple exposition scene.
What a brilliant show. I binge-watched it one weekend and couldn’t stop until I consumed each and every episode. Great writing and great actors. That dude that portrays Manson was really fucking good. The Kemper dude was awesome as well. Just a great show about true crime and serial murderers.
BRILLIANT!!!
That's the greatest thing about art: You should never do X, X doesn't work, except when its does, then it's a masterpiece.
This show is the greatest thing I’ve seen sober
What the hells gonna happen after an hour of dropping a tab and pressing play
mindhunter is one of the best shows in a long long time
G'day Skip, I'm retired now but I used to be a film and TV critic for a large newspaper. Early on in my life, growing up with more and more TV that came from America, and after, I became totally turned off the typical cop show, lawyer show and doctor show. All set out, written and edited to fit neatly into an hour slot with the requisite minutes devoted to commercial breaks.
I haven't truly enjoyed any cop show since Hill Street Blues, yet that followed the established recipe, it was well scripted and acted by talented people.
Then comes Mindhunter. What a totally fresh breath of air and how courageous to show the reality that 90 percent of detective work is just sitting in a room talking to people. But what people. Mr Fincher has totally nailed the casting, heaven knows how.
His 'groundbreaking', long rehearsal periods followed by precise multiple takes has truly shown what is possible when the TV show is director driven and not, producer/network/sponsor driven. Unlike thousands of TV directors and producers over the decades, Mr Fincher has loaded up a Mack truck with minimalism and driven it, full speed, through the walls of TV Land. Why is it so good? Because so much work goes into that minimalism.
Sadly, I binge-watched 2 seasons, now I feel like three good friends have gone away for a year... I miss them, and, the brilliantly portrayed killers. Cheers, BH.
P.S. I have to mention the show's only deliberate gag: When Holden Ford is at an airport he tells the ticketing agent that Holden Ford really is his name and it's only a joke, in Australia. This is because Holden and Ford are the two major car manufacturers here and have such fierce competition that they would never be mentioned in the same sentence, let alone someone's name. I'm willing to bet that line came from the Australian actress, Anna Torv, one of the leads.
The fact that this show was cancelled is a crime
I would LOVE a deep dive on Succession, that show doesn't get enough love and is probably the best thing I've watched in years
Great video ! So often with shows about serial killers they focus on gratuitous violence of reenacting the murders or bloody gore, which can be interesting, but the conversational format is much more engaging to me. Zodiac is my favourite David Fincher film so Mindhunter is just perfect for me
Also as a new film studies student thank you for the shot analyse, they were very helpful in my understanding of what different shots look like and what their use may mean/be for
I also love Succession, would love to see a video about it.
I tried to watch it. Couldn't get into it
This show, if it's canceled, should be a crime in of itself. Nice work here. A case study in film making. The lead up to Manson paid off.
Loved this breakdown. I've been on an obsessive Fincher binge lately and I can't get over how technically genius his work is.
Side note: I'm glad you included the Chaos book about Manson in that shot on 10:57. That's probably my favorite novel on the subject despite how Conspiracy Theory it sounds.
'Mad men level smoking'....Good one.
Which "Hollywood" needs to seriously stop portraying! It doesn't add depth to the character... just makes the characters from that period look weak-minded. peer-pressured habit forming an disgusting. no positive benefits to the story line.
@@creolerican I agree smoking is a terrible habit but in that time it's wasn't frowned upon like it is now..It wouldn't have been true to the era if it didn't show that in the past there was smoking on planes,work places even hospitals..
The fact it is slow and still entertaining shows how much detail and movement is included in each one of those interview shots, it captures actual interview dynamic.
Which is why it is so refreshing to watch as David Finch manages to make the scenes entertaining by displaying thought as action.
The casting crew did an amazing job picking actors to portrait the serial killers they are so into the characters, their personalities traits are so on point, I hope there is a season 3
The best scene of this show is when Ed Kemper hugs Ford. Ford runs out the door and while doing that you will see the use of a handycam instead of a steadycam the first time on the show. But the best thing is, is that the shot goes from a shaky shot to a stable shot in a oneshot. Which shows that Fords world is coming down but he is getting himself together, like Tench told him to, at the same time. It's brilliant!
Quality analysis on the editing and camera angles. This is great work! I have just subbed.
Very much agree with you.
david fincher is so good. i hope at least once in his life, hollywood will give him a massive budget to create a summer blockbuster, I always wondered what would that look like
i would sell my soul to get 30mins with Fincher. i'm writing a 7 book series that could only be directed by him. (to be done properly). This is my dream. think scope of Dune, darkness of True Detective, visuals of Se7en, action of Sicario, pace of Banshee, and emotion of The Grey. meanwhile...i press on to finish them.
The shorts of BTK at the starts of the episodes are the "show, don't tell" component.
Fun fact Charles Manson was 5’2. I had no clue until watching Mindhunter and I had to look it up lmao.
Did you know Ed Kemper is 6' 9" ?
A manlet who compensated with narcissistic sociopathy..but a manlet nonetheless. Siting on that chair does make him look more domineering to Ford and Tench
Alan Stewart it would have been great to see them both stood next to each other.
@@kencarson3451 Would've been even funnier to see them both superficially bicker about shit
@@DadaistTheater And when he stood up on the chair to declare he was Pavlov’s dog, that was very “prophet-like”.
It draws in a viewer like literally being a fly on the wall for the interview of notorious serial killers, if you're of an interest, its riveting. We've seen on and on, action engages, but it's dialogue that tells you what's going on from the surface down....
You messed up the Manson one. Bill Tench was going through stuff at home where his son was involved in a murder, that's why he was getting aggravated about Manson saying the children's upbringing was turning them into killers
The Guy who play Ed Kemper look more like Ed Kemper then Ed Kemper himself.
I loved this show. I ended up bingeing the entire thing. It's so hypnotic in it's pacing and how things slowly evolve. So good.
loooove the editing in this, the breakdown/highlighting of the scenes' camera movements etc was legit
Im so glad that everyone here took time to notice how amazing mindhunters is! It is very underrated. Mindhunters is wayy better than Riverdale or any of those plain shows!
Okay, idk know who tf compares Mindhunter to _Riverdale...._ just some random person I guess...
@@futurestoryteller yeah, its comparing apples and oranges with those two. Mindhunter is an intriguing show that was carefully thought out, while Riverdale is... I don't even know at this point. I can't actually think of any shows quite to the caliber of Mindhunter. If anyone knows one, please say so
odd comparison but it's not wrong ..?
Credits of mindhunter are better than anything riverdale has ever done lmao
Please don't make me defend Riverdale, but this does seem a bit unfair. Compare Mindhunter to something like Succession or Chernobyl, not a stupid show meant for teenagers
This show does Show not Tell. It's about how the unit was formed and how they got their information from interviewing serial killers and that's what is shown. It's not about what the killer did or how they were caught, it's about how the FBI talked to them to understand them.
This show does Show Don't Tell perfectly.
That's a rather convenient interpretation.
One of my all time favorite movies is called "The Man From Earth" and it is 100% exposition. It is literally just a bunch of people sitting around a living room talking, but it is just SOOO good.
I feel that way about 12 angry men.
@@ariscaprice7766 I agree. "12 Angry Men" is another great example of pure exposition that was extremely well pulled off
Discovering this series, completely by accident, was an absolute treat. I honestly don’t know why it hasn’t received more publicity & recognition. It’s rarely drops below compelling and verges into brilliance at times.
I just rewatched the show again, and now I'm here watching these videos for another time. I can't help but be more disapointed that we won't be getting a third season.
Actor playing David Berkowitz gave me goosebumps. The resemblance was uncanny.
I think the problem here is that most people confuse 'Show, don't tell' with 'Use images, not dialogues', which is absolutely not the same thing.
It's a shame so many people don't have the attention span to enjoy slower paced shows like this or "Better Call Saul". Most would rather sacrifice an intricate, rich story for a shallow and dull plot that requires "exciting" action to keep people's attention.
this show is so underrated, it is intense and thrilling. A masterpiece, I can not wait for the 3rd season
Bro I'm heartbroken to know they canceled it. Watching this due to my withdrawal of a deeply interesting show.
13:49 it's actually one of Fincher's techniques. He moves the camera to follow the character, even if it's a slight move.
You did so much work at every level of this video! Scenario, montage, new look at same scenes, comparison of shots and everything is so on point and easy to follow. Thank you!
Mindhunter is soooo good. Cant wait for season 3 anymore!!
'Mindhunter' intro is a work of art.
You are right. It's like trying to understand a light bulb by staring at it. In a while you get blinded by it's brilliance but you learn nothing.
Just stumbled upon the video and I have to say what an absolutely brilliant analysis. Wonderful job thanks for all the context!
This is excellent. Thank you for this analysis. Whilst watching it, I never paid any thought to how the camera was static. It certainly does allow the viewer to focus on the conversation and the behaviour. Really hoping there will be a season 3 and beyond. Compulsive viewing.
Great writing, great directing, great editing. And great video.
Some great shows at the beginning of this video, Succession and Mr. Robot in particular. Huge fan of Mindhunter.
Dude the music in mindhunter is scary as shit the ominous sound
I'm upset that this show got cancelled. I always wanted a final season
Really appreciate the research you dwelled into, for the analysis!
This is sadder to watch now that Mindhunter got cancelled
It's a loss that there won't be a season 3. It was such a great show.
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
Guy who played Kemper stole the show and ran with it. Brilliant acting, owns every frame he's in.
This is a great analysis with good and useful insights.
wonderful writing and editing!!
I love this show, I really hope they bring it back.
One thing I love about the show is how in every interview you get a glimpse into their triggering points. Every serial killer has a trigger point as explained early in the show and each killer interviewed showed. The Candy Man's boy who lashed out when questioned on his homosexuality, Richard Speck threw the bird in the fan when asked about compassion, Manson being called a midget (He hated being made to look small) and watching the show back i noticed almost every interviewed showed this and it resulted in either a lash out or the interview be cut short. Brilliant script writing, i don't think any show can beat that feeling when a new serial killer is being interviewed ☺ don't make us wait long for Season 3 please!
Not just the killers, but all the lead characters themselves. The psychology of the characters and how it influences the interviews as well as their work in deciphering the serial killer psychology is a huge point in the show
The most wonderful one I have ever seen. Realy looking forward for next seasons
I got sucked into this show. Totally loved it.
There has been nothing that i have seen capture my interest like 'Mindhunter' did...its almost as if they went inside my brain and tailor made this for me...i love each second of it...
The most engaging show I've ever seen.
ugh one of the best shows ever. so upset there won't be a season 3.
great analysis btw!!
They are talking with Fincher for season 3 lets hope for good news 👍
This show is great because we already know that outcome,
That, and God damn excellent casting and acting
People are praising Mindhunter but you sir are a genius yourself, incredibly well made video
Edits are on point! keep up the grind
Coming from the recent Fincher interview about season 3 probably never going happen, it saddens me every time I watch analysis vids about Mindhunter with the knowledge that we'll never get to see more. We didn't deserve this show.
the moment I realized it is possible not to have 3th season of Mindhunter is the moment I truly doubted my Netflix subscription
How THE FUCK is TH-cam sleeping on this channel? This should be up there with Patrick H, LFTS, Just Write etc. etc. This shows incredible depth of understanding of the craft and deserves 1000x more recognition.
excellent video!!!!!! absolutely love these deep dive into frames and shots!!!
I'm hoping Season Three is announced soon. I miss this show, a lot.
I find a lot of truth in the thought that when you zoom in too closely to something, anything, that the sense behind it all but evaporates. To me, it's like close reading or micro-reading where you analyze a paragraph literally word by word, trying to dissect the meaning of every letter (or every aspect of this film) only even more intensive. To one of the most extremes examples... It's like saying "red" one hundred times, spelling it out loud one hundred times, thinking about the way the words and letters feels on your tongue, only to sit down and write an analysis of the experience. The word, the letters, they lose all meaning, all sense of purpose, and it becomes non-sensical, and the meaning of consciousness and life and existence is called into question because... red. Also apparently red sounds a lot like ribbet, the sound a frog makes.
Manson: "Guide them into what?"
Such nihilist wisdom.
Great visual analysis and infographic edition. Superb!
Hey, why did you put Steve Avery at 16:34? wtf
Very well analysis of the editing
the music really makes this show
It's text vs. subtext intead of telling vs. showing.
Fincher, you're one of my favourite directors. But if the series doesn't continue and end properly I'm gonna become a monster myself.
tahnk You so much for putting into Words what I've always been thinking 'bout
we both know, Words cannot express it BUT
You made a very GREAT effort to put it into Perspective,
Thank You
the finger tap moment is truly inspired. wow.
I am not one to rewatch shows but if I found someone who I thought would like it to watch it with, I'd be totally on board. It's a masterpiece really.
The Ed Kemper exchanges are pure gold.
We need a third season of this, it's terrific.
After about the 5th episode i realized that this isn't just going to be about the psychology of the killers but also the 3 leads
What a epic series. Great video of breaking it down
The "Show, Don't tell" motto to be more exact is "show, don't explicitly tell what you are trying to express to an audience." While Mindhunters has a lot of dialogue, they aren't violating that rule. The murders are not the point. The character study from the dialogue is. What is in between the lines. I thought that was obvious. 🤷🏻♀️
Trying to make a point about why it works when it supposedly shouldn't is a false start because it is doing exactly what it needs to do, showing character.
I think we forget that dialogue is a tool as well, it doesn't have to be a necessity and using a lot of it doesn't mean boring exposition all the time. My favourite example of that in this show is the scene where Holden is talking to the shoe guy, and you slowly realise that he's so deluded he's separated his crime from himself, but is in some way subconsciously aware that he is in fact the murderer. The dialogue there is so good and well acted, and imo it's still show don't tell even though they are literally telling you what happened.
I've researched serial killers since I was a teenager, don't ask why..... just always been fascinated by them and how they become who they are. How cute little smiling babies can grow up to eventually become human butchers. But anyway, Mindhunter is the most realistic portrayal of serial killers I've ever seen. Ed Kemper and Charles Manson's characters are particularly well done. This show needs to come back. The 80s just has so many good subjects, the green river murders were occurring, there were Bundy interviews done, Gacy interviews. We also need the BLK story to continue and eventually come to an end. The sunset murders occurred in the 80s. And if they go into the 90s then we can possibly see how they assisted in the mother of all serial killer cases, Luis Garavito! 140 confirmed murders of young boys with the tally possibly reaching over 300. And he's actually scheduled to be released soon.....smfh.
God, Garavito absolutely blows my mind.. i cant even imagine
Such an amazing show I hope it doesn't get cancelled for good
I'm delusional, still hoping this show will be continued someday. It's so good.
Damn this was good. So thought provoking. Loved it.