For someone born and raised in Lahore, who moved to the United States 35 years ago, it is such a pleasant surprise to see my favorite TH-camr, Kevin, to visit Lahore and Karachi. You are truly a world traveler.
It's the tightest 777 economy seat I've ever sat in and the (quite long) flight was extremely unpleasant as a result. Really made me wonder why everyone was so raving about them. The A380 was 10 times more comfortable.
Well I think you hit the nail on the head there- I'm not sure anyone raves about the 777... For years Emirates has been gliding on their A380 and more recently 777 FIrst class marketing.
100% agree with this.. I flew 777 economy with Emirates about 9 years ago and the only thing I remember about it is how small and uncomfortable the seat was. It has forever left this bad impression of Emirates, as if they are just trading on their first class product.
The numbers you mentioned about the new airport are just mind boggling. Still trying to let it sink in… Thank you for another great review jam packed with so much background information 🙏🏼💫
Ever since I jumped onboard during your “hub” series, I was wondering if Pakistan would make the list and was pleasantly surprised to hear it would in the last video! Really enjoyed this one Kevin, next time you find yourself in Pakistan try to hop aboard EK600 to Karachi, the very flight that started Emirates.
9:56 Emirates already installed 3-4-3 layout all the way back in 1996 when they first received the 777-200s. Back then, majority of airliners offered 3-3-3 or 2-5-2 in the same aircraft, but sure Emirates weren't afraid of making the seats so tight!
@@tfft As someone who's been flying Emirates since the early '90s I'm pretty sure they have followed the same standard throughout all their 777s, and I've flown with them a couple of times.
Very true, but people have a short memory, Hiro ! Qatar installed 3-4-3 in 2015, Etihad in 2009, Alitalia & KLM in 2008, Air France had 3 aircraft with 9-abreast before switching in 2005 to 3-4-3, and SWISS & Emirates always had them. It wasn't Cathay Pacific to start this trend but the low-IQ mass will always forget things and twist the truth.
Wonderful review Kevin! I flew the Emirates 777 with the 3-4-3 configuration on my flight from Dubai to Dallas (16hrs). I didn't face much difficulty with the legroom, but that just may be cause I'm 168cm tall. Cheers!
Excited for this series, I finally got enough miles to get to Dubai (buss class) from sfo. I am mainly excited to fly the a380 and visit Pakistan. Please hurry with the rest of the Vids!
EK 777 is a very consistent product. It's the exact same as what I experienced 10 years ago, down to the same food. The legroom is still that bad, the only way I managed to get by the two times I rode on EK 777-300ER was that the whole row happened to be empty. I have no idea how people make it through the long haul with that little legroom.
Kevin having flown in multiple 777 economy from multiple airlines I have never seen a 777 not having 3-4-3 configuration. I do think that older 777s on emirates are not as pleasant as the newer 777s but I do absolutely love to be able to have working power outlets on every single plane. Apart from few Asian airlines I don’t think any 777 seat configuration is much different.
Can we just take a moment to admire the production value of Kevins vids? The flawless editing, the perfectly matched ambient music, the spot on historical information. Sorry for the fan-boying. But this is next level!
This is why I religiously avoid 3-4-3 on the 777, even after 300 flights and 500,000 I've never flown it. 2-4-2 A330s, 3-4-3 A380s and 2-4-2 787s all the way! That extra inch or even half an inch is worth its weight in diamonds.
Agree 100% with this assessment. If on EK in economy it’s always an aisle seat and always on the 380. The overburdened tray is a particular bugbear of mine - not so bad if you’re lucky enough not to have someone sat next to you, but a real pain otherwise.
Yeah I'd actually really like to try out one of the A380 economy seats on the upper deck with the side storage bin. That seems like an upgrade in itself to me.
So many times flying economy to have my knees pushed up hard against the arm rests infront of me. Certainly not a fun time. That master plan though wow wow whee wah, giga terminals, it would be unreal if they built thr whole lot out in 10 years. Another great review ❤
Yeah, you are totally right the seats are quite narrow, that why I love premium economy 😊😅! Again thank you for all the great videos you publish! Quick question, what hotels would you recommend in Dubai? Thanks!
That view of DXB is my favorite, because if I’m seeing what’s in the vid, it means I’m getting out of the sandbox for points elsewhere, and that’s a good day, especially during the 7 months of summer the country has.
Now I understand why Airbus promos the XWB factor on their A350. They're taking a deliberate shot at the B777. Great meal, I would be very happy with that in economy.
I’ve had the recent displeasure of flying Cebu Pacific A330neo recently to Singapore. Sardines in the air. If you want a drink and/food, you’ll have to purchase. Admittedly, seat pitch wasn’t was terrible as I thought it would be. Hopefully, you’ll find the same.
I flew with them last month, 3 out of 4 sectors I got planes equipped with IFE older than the one you got, with one of them coming out from the 2000s. Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw that, with how much they take pride of their state of the art IFE. The crew are hit or miss, I got one who is really nice and one who woke me up by slamming my window blind shut on the same flight. Meals are pretty good but the service is kinda slow. All in all I wouldn’t fly economy with them again if I have the option, except if I’m sure that all of the sectors I’m flying with them are with the A380 or hopefully the A350. I honestly got whiplash when I hopped out from the 777 to the A380, the difference is night and day 😂.
Kevin - any Virgin Atlantic Business Class trip(s) coming up? With the new dynamic pricing - there will be a lot of us experiencing Virgin and it would be GREAT to hear your thoughts on one or two of their airplane options in Business Class (no one does it like our Flip Flop Traveler!). Thanks for all that you do for all of us!
We’re flying DXB to DEL in December. At 6’ 7” I’m glad I paid for extra legroom seats. For two of us in economy it was over a $1000 in seat fees for round trip travel from YYZ. There are times when I’ve been unable to lower myself into the seats if I don’t manage to get extra legroom. At least these days you can book in advance even if it costs a lot. In the old days I’d turn up three hours early and have even been known to cry when they said no!
I really liked my 2hr Emirates 777 flight to Delhi after a 14.5hr flight from Vancouver. As a somewhat shorter person, I wasn't bothered by the seat tightness, and was moreso enamored with the gigantic IFE screens and the wonderful (vegan for me!) breakfast. It was definitely a full flight and I had trouble finding space for my overhead bag though the FAs were incredibly kind in helping find a space for it. Would definitely fly them again...but also hoping to fly direct YVR to DEL on either a new Air India plane or with AC again sometime soon.
I just flew my first 3-4-3 777 flight last year, granted it was a 1 hour flight with ANA, so I didn’t have time to feel any real “pain”. I’d have to do a long haul flight on one to see if I have the same sentiment. Even with 3-3-3 config, I don’t find the seats any wider, just that I can squeeze past a flight attendant with the cart in the aisle.
I 100% agree. I love Emirates A380 economy but I avoid the Emirates 777 for flights longer than 3-4 hours. Hoping for the EK A350 is better than the 777.
Another great video. Ugh, your poor knees 😖 can you imagine if the person in front of you reclined! Thanks for always giving awesome advice and reviews. Continued safe travels.
Yeah ..well I had 14hours in one of those seats a few years ago due to a downgrade and it was the worst!! EK is all about premium cabins which they do quite well … most of the time .. economy nah .. 400 gates at that new airport .. let’s hope that doesn’t come at the expense of people literally losing their lives building it - great video Kevin as usual 👏
In my life, I’ve only flown on 747, a330, a350 and 777 on a 3-3-3 layout. Lucky me I guess xd so I was just curious… what’s tighter? 3-3-3 on 787 or 3-4-3 on 777?
@ aight thanks. Now I know what to avoid 😂 I think I’ll try 787 just to tick the box. Will try JAL 787s if I can. And ofc a380s have been my goal ever since. No luck yet. My destinations and timings don’t match. Everytime I book SQ it’s always a350s and 777s on the schedules I need. My parents got to fly the sq a380 and I was so jealous 😂
@@keisuke5468SQ’s A380s now have similar Recaro economy seats to the newest A350s they have and their regional A350s and 787s. I don’t think you’d be terribly happy with that. The seat back is black plastic that seem to make the whole cabin feel very tight. They previously had light-coloured seat backs, which do a lot to brighten the cabin and make it feel more airy. Also, these new seats are THICK, great for back support, not so great for legroom and the IFE screen is literally in your face before the passenger in front reclines. Just a very tight-feeling space all round. I honestly prefer Emirates seat as they look to be using a modern SAFRAN model, that I encounter on Asiana Airlines, much more space and still comfortable enough.
I just flew emirates 777 from Dallas to Dubai and then return again, and let me tell you it's one the most uncomfortable seats out there. Both 777-300 and 777-200 are too outdated now. Specially 777-200 my tv didn't even work man.
I rarely agree with the host of this channel but on the 3-4-3 issue he is 100 % correct. My last ANA flight was on a B777-300er and I was in an exit row seat and it felt tight. I am 5 ft 8 in and weigh 150 pounds. Because of this I now avoid ANA when I cross the Pacific ocean I cross the Pacific Ocean and back at least 3 times a year.
4:06 Given that Emirates has more than 50% of all A380, it is funny to imagine that if Emirates had their modern day route network in the 1990s, they would be flying Boeing 747 for nonstop flights to Australia, Americas, and beyond.
Had a similar experience myself when I flew Emirates economy class from Cape Town to Delhi via Dubai last year, with both legs on B777s. Cape Town - Dubai was a fairly comfortable flight for its near 10 hours, but that’s largely because I had an aisle access and a vacant neighbour seat, and the crew served atleast 50% more calories per meal than any other airline I’ve flown till date. But the cabin was a bit dated - probably due for a refurb - and the crew was a bit curt (though not impolite). Transiting in Dubai was unpleasant. The terminal was awfully crowded, toilets were dirty, and all the shopping and dining choices felt squarely aimed at squeezing the most amount of money out of you. I probably had my most expensive cup of Cafe Nero here. Honestly glad to have left, and couldn’t understand what the hype about the airport was all about - perhaps only if you’re flying at the front end of the aircraft. Dubai - Delhi was very similar to your Lahore experience. With a packed flight, the tight seat was woefully apparent, and even at the short flying time of under 4 hours, I felt very cramped when I finally deplaned - and I’m not even a very tall or big fellow. However, the food service was excellent, the crew was very warm (they were even taking Polaroid snaps of all children flying onboard and handing them out with a goodie bag - haven’t seen that happening in a long time, and I was honestly feeling jealous!), and the aircraft legitimately had the CRISPEST IFE screens (both seat-back and on the hand-held consoles) I’ve ever seen. Looking forward to your videos from Pakistan! As I’m Indian, I doubt I’ll ever get a chance to visit the country, so always glad to get a chance to live vicariously through others’ experiences :)
My experience was horrible on their 737, Turkish and Emirates did me way more justice than that crappy tight airline. 32< inch seat pitch and the food was “unfavorable” to say the least. Only good thing was ife. 6/10
I recently flew a similar product on Etihad .. only the frame of the seat pocket in front was half pulled off and gave me even less legroom (im6’1tall), the food was almost inedible, the cabin aircon wasn’t working properly… oh , and this was a flight from AUH to MNL .. 10 hours on that hellhole .. the plane was so old that it still had the original Etihad livery - they hadn’t bothered to update either the outside or the inside of the plane .. I just wonder if Emirates and Etihad continue to subject paying customers to this kind of treatment, simply because they’re flying them to 2 of the less wealthy countries on their networks ? 🤔🤔.. thanks as always , Kevin .. 🙏
I flew a 25hr routing between DC and CPT on Emirates on both the A380 and the 777. I actually liked the 777 more. Now don't get me wrong, not having maybe 10+ brats running around the cabin and kicking your chair for 14.5 hrs helped, but it just felt larger and more airy. Now, here is what I think the situation is, and peoppe need to remember this. Aircraft manufacturers don't choose layouts, airlines do. Boeing had repeatedly stated airlines can get a cabin with whatever config they want and it can fit 18" 10 abreast. The difference is, and I think it was Qatar who got into a fight with Airbus about this, Airbus won't sell seats less that 18" wide on the A380 and A350. There is also a performance reason for this as Airbus aircraft don't have the performance of their Boeing counterparts. Now I don't fly Emirates enough to care, but it is my understanding Emirates generally has two configurations for the 777-300ER, a regional version and a long haul, and the long haul has wider seats and is more comfortable. I think that's what they told me when I interviewed there a decade ago I just realized. Also, Emirates is partially funded by Dubai real-estate, just a fun fact.
@@tfft thanks to remind me of those early 777-300 (no ER) before 2000. I've forgotten about them. You must be a long time traveler with 20+ years experience.
As someone who's travelled on the 777, 787 and A380 as well as A320 (or 321), by FAR, Airbus has much more comfortable seats. As for any flight to the subcontinent... lol. This is the worst flight of my travel itinerary (because of the passengers) and I wholeheartedly feel sorry for the cabin crew. It's not a "je ne sais quoi" - it's just that the passengers can be quite a bit of a challenge (as a fellow passenger myself, and someone who lives in the region). But once you're on a flight that does not land/originate from the subcontinent, there's a MASSIVE difference (in a good way).
Oil security is the bed rock of Emirates, which no one talks about. Apart from all their good business practices, they have sovereign assurance of fuel at cheap prices. This is why they do not worry about buying 4 engine jets even today. In fact, they want Airbus to continue production of A380 with newer engines. But the A380 is not a commercially viable airplane for Airbus.
10 seats in a row in a 777 is a nightmare, when I used to fly economy the 777 had 9 seats like the MD11 and Lockheed Tristar. 10 seats should only be allowed in a 747 or A380.😡😡😡😡
Never again on emirates even their a 380 in economy self loading cargo and cattle class is spot on. SQ Eva Air Qantas CX finair only for me these days.
@@ishaanrevankar492 I did on a QF booking and they stiffed us on lounge access and QFF the last straw was on a BKK to Sydney( 777) (again qf ticketing) wearing my new pale line suite then transfer Syd Perth was a horror show .RE EK 380 in any config EK do a good job in Biz and told premium economy But with Al Maktuns treatment of his own daughters and many ex-pats in that mad Land not getting any more of my hard earned.Plus the airport is for me just too nig and controlled. One must acknowledge how slick their marketing is including Sam Chew . Bottom line my $ my Choice Thus out of Oz and the EU as well as BKK ,HK anything but a Middle East carrier Why did you ask? are you involved in some way with EK ?
I personally hate the emirates economy. Especially with how strictly the enforce the paid seats for bulkheads and exits. I was welcomed on board by the cabin manager for my platinum status with Qantas and they asked if I need anything, I asked if I could move to the completely empty bulkhead and they replied with only if I pay the $90USD upgrade fee for a 6 hour flight. The bulkhead really is not much better either, I just didn't want to be crammed next to everyone.
Tbf, I love (LOVE) airlines that enforce this. I pay for a specific type of seat like 80% of the time in economy and I have no problem if my row is full, but if I paid extra to sit in that row, I think others should as well.
@@tfft I just don't believe you should pay for seats that are no different but closer to the front. If anything these are worse as you can have your feet under seats Infront of you.
I've flown Emirates economy between Singapore and the UK many times - with and without kids. They are generally good - I'm not a fan of Dubai airport though, far prefer Doha these days. Singapore, Qatar, Emirates being my top 3 airlines - all in economy. Never flown the Japanese or Taiwanese airlines though, would love to try them out.
If I am flying emirates economy, it has to be A380. Their 777 Economy is not worth it, no matter how good entertainment or in-flight service might be. Not sure how airlines are getting away with 3-4-3 in 777 economy in this day and age.
Emirates is very stingy in economy; and even more stingy in their 777 business class. And typically more expensive than most of the alternatives out of Dubai.
I’ve been flying in & out of DXB since 2008, and I’ve never, ever flown an EK flight for the exact reason you’ve mentioned. There are cheaper options, especially for a biz class flights. I might break the trend when the A350 routes are announced and the travel reviewers have their say.
@@get2dachoppa249 - Yup. I fly to Manila and to the US frequently. Emirates is literally double (and less comfortable) other options including Turkish, Kuwait, Qatar (on occasion), and Oman.
Ok then, avoid flying on one of the best airlines with great service even in Economy. And DXB is the best, it's not overcrowded at all. DOH is a dark hell-hole.
I totally agree about Economy class amenities like pillows and blankets. There’s no place to stash that stuff when you have carryons to consider. I end up grumbling about the flight before it even gets off the ground! 12 hours into a 14 hour flight, I see pillows strewn across the plane. My only reservation from yelling out “Yesss!” to this video is the lack of much history of Econ Class reviews on your page. Do you have other products or sources to use for comparison if you are featuring mostly Business or First Class flights?
777 economy product is really bad. Especially the really old 777 200’s. those planes if they have the new business product are quite nice ironically. Flew one of them to Mumbai once..it was terrible. They use the same plane for Barcelona Mexico. I would NEVER fly that route with them in economy
ohh I can't wait to see the review of fly jinnah. I'm originally from Pakistan but live in North America and besides the middle eastern airlines there aren't many good options to fly there if you want decent service. And with UAE on the boycott list for supporting genocide in Sudan and Congo, i want to see what alternative airlines one can take for taking you to a hub of an airline like Qatar without having to pay the ridiculous "flying tax" govt of Pakistan has implemented. Last time I flew business to pakistan, about $1400, yes 1400 dollars was just the "tax" going to the pakistani govt. Before it was just on business class or higher but now its also on economy flights but the % of tax is far lower.
777s in a 3-4-3 config needs to be outlawed. Big mistake. I have successfully been able to boycott airlines who did it. And the 787 should go back to the 2-4-2 it was designed as.
Emirates also uses crappy planes and seats for flights to Pakistan and India. I am not flying them because they treat temporary workers like crap in Dubai. So F Dubai!
For someone born and raised in Lahore, who moved to the United States 35 years ago, it is such a pleasant surprise to see my favorite TH-camr, Kevin, to visit Lahore and Karachi. You are truly a world traveler.
I irrationally love the line: "when you move the seat an inch closer to the wall, your shoulders don't get an inch narrower."
It's the tightest 777 economy seat I've ever sat in and the (quite long) flight was extremely unpleasant as a result. Really made me wonder why everyone was so raving about them. The A380 was 10 times more comfortable.
Well I think you hit the nail on the head there- I'm not sure anyone raves about the 777... For years Emirates has been gliding on their A380 and more recently 777 FIrst class marketing.
100% agree with this.. I flew 777 economy with Emirates about 9 years ago and the only thing I remember about it is how small and uncomfortable the seat was. It has forever left this bad impression of Emirates, as if they are just trading on their first class product.
Agreed with that- but hey, they are doing something right...
That also was 9 years ago
And they're still flying the same economy seats that were in service 9 years ago... so... lol
It allows them to sell cheap ticket to price sensitive passengers. That is their only concern with this configuration.
@@tfft I guess your right
The numbers you mentioned about the new airport are just mind boggling. Still trying to let it sink in… Thank you for another great review jam packed with so much background information 🙏🏼💫
Scheduled to be up and running in ten years, as well. Sounds very ambitious lol
Dubai have problems with overcrowding, especially during the rush hours.
Ever since I jumped onboard during your “hub” series, I was wondering if Pakistan would make the list and was pleasantly surprised to hear it would in the last video! Really enjoyed this one Kevin, next time you find yourself in Pakistan try to hop aboard EK600 to Karachi, the very flight that started Emirates.
9:56 Emirates already installed 3-4-3 layout all the way back in 1996 when they first received the 777-200s. Back then, majority of airliners offered 3-3-3 or 2-5-2 in the same aircraft, but sure Emirates weren't afraid of making the seats so tight!
I was under the impression that they tried them on some aircraft earlier but didn't standardize them until later. Could be wrong.
@@tfft As someone who's been flying Emirates since the early '90s I'm pretty sure they have followed the same standard throughout all their 777s, and I've flown with them a couple of times.
@@tfft No, you're wrong. EK always had them. See, here's the thing, you talk but you don't know anything. Educate yourself!
@@Hiro-eb4zx Very true, been flying with Emirates since 2006 and the standard has always been the same.
Very true, but people have a short memory, Hiro ! Qatar installed 3-4-3 in 2015, Etihad in 2009, Alitalia & KLM in 2008, Air France had 3 aircraft with 9-abreast before switching in 2005 to 3-4-3, and SWISS & Emirates always had them. It wasn't Cathay Pacific to start this trend but the low-IQ mass will always forget things and twist the truth.
Wonderful review Kevin! I flew the Emirates 777 with the 3-4-3 configuration on my flight from Dubai to Dallas (16hrs). I didn't face much difficulty with the legroom, but that just may be cause I'm 168cm tall. Cheers!
Excited for this series, I finally got enough miles to get to Dubai (buss class) from sfo. I am mainly excited to fly the a380 and visit Pakistan. Please hurry with the rest of the Vids!
EK 777 is a very consistent product. It's the exact same as what I experienced 10 years ago, down to the same food. The legroom is still that bad, the only way I managed to get by the two times I rode on EK 777-300ER was that the whole row happened to be empty. I have no idea how people make it through the long haul with that little legroom.
Kevin having flown in multiple 777 economy from multiple airlines I have never seen a 777 not having 3-4-3 configuration. I do think that older 777s on emirates are not as pleasant as the newer 777s but I do absolutely love to be able to have working power outlets on every single plane. Apart from few Asian airlines I don’t think any 777 seat configuration is much different.
QR/EY/JL/NH had 3-3-3 among a few US and European carriers (AZ, AF, KL, BA)
Can we just take a moment to admire the production value of Kevins vids? The flawless editing, the perfectly matched ambient music, the spot on historical information. Sorry for the fan-boying. But this is next level!
This is why I religiously avoid 3-4-3 on the 777, even after 300 flights and 500,000 I've never flown it. 2-4-2 A330s, 3-4-3 A380s and 2-4-2 787s all the way! That extra inch or even half an inch is worth its weight in diamonds.
Great as usual keep it up Brother
he spews fake news
Agree 100% with this assessment. If on EK in economy it’s always an aisle seat and always on the 380. The overburdened tray is a particular bugbear of mine - not so bad if you’re lucky enough not to have someone sat next to you, but a real pain otherwise.
Yeah I'd actually really like to try out one of the A380 economy seats on the upper deck with the side storage bin. That seems like an upgrade in itself to me.
Thank you Kelvin for the hard work for your subscribers, take care and safe travel.
Would you prefer the SQ A350 medium haul economy over Emirates 777 Economy product?
Without a doubt.
The journey continues. I really love this series ❤
Another great video Kevin and thanks for the info on the plans of the airport in Dubai, 400 gates!
So many times flying economy to have my knees pushed up hard against the arm rests infront of me.
Certainly not a fun time.
That master plan though wow wow whee wah, giga terminals, it would be unreal if they built thr whole lot out in 10 years.
Another great review ❤
Hey when are you going to fly with Bangalore airport terminal 2?
Yeah, you are totally right the seats are quite narrow, that why I love premium economy 😊😅! Again thank you for all the great videos you publish! Quick question, what hotels would you recommend in Dubai? Thanks!
I have two Dubai videos on the channel, but Dubai for me is all about the season. High season = reasonable place, low season = pick of the town.
@@tfft you stay at holiday inn express lmao
That view of DXB is my favorite, because if I’m seeing what’s in the vid, it means I’m getting out of the sandbox for points elsewhere, and that’s a good day, especially during the 7 months of summer the country has.
I'll take 7 months of hot dry summer over 7 months of dark damp winter lol.
I remember this economy seat. Interestingly I've flown with Emirates but never passed through dubai.
You must be part of the EWR-ATH crowd lol
@tfft oh no, KUL-MEL actually
Now I understand why Airbus promos the XWB factor on their A350. They're taking a deliberate shot at the B777. Great meal, I would be very happy with that in economy.
I’ve had the recent displeasure of flying Cebu Pacific A330neo recently to Singapore. Sardines in the air. If you want a drink and/food, you’ll have to purchase. Admittedly, seat pitch wasn’t was terrible as I thought it would be. Hopefully, you’ll find the same.
12:30 Ohhhh, Cebu Pacific video soon 👀
(Good luck...)
Yes, but only soon if you consider 2026 soon 😂
@@tfft I'll consider that as time dedicated for mental preparation 😆
I flew with them last month, 3 out of 4 sectors I got planes equipped with IFE older than the one you got, with one of them coming out from the 2000s. Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw that, with how much they take pride of their state of the art IFE. The crew are hit or miss, I got one who is really nice and one who woke me up by slamming my window blind shut on the same flight. Meals are pretty good but the service is kinda slow.
All in all I wouldn’t fly economy with them again if I have the option, except if I’m sure that all of the sectors I’m flying with them are with the A380 or hopefully the A350. I honestly got whiplash when I hopped out from the 777 to the A380, the difference is night and day 😂.
Kevin - any Virgin Atlantic Business Class trip(s) coming up? With the new dynamic pricing - there will be a lot of us experiencing Virgin and it would be GREAT to hear your thoughts on one or two of their airplane options in Business Class (no one does it like our Flip Flop Traveler!). Thanks for all that you do for all of us!
I do, but the video won't be out until May.
I liked your video, thanks for visiting Lahore Pakistan
Thanks for watching
My brother, go for the Airbus A 380
it`s so cool
We’re flying DXB to DEL in December. At 6’ 7” I’m glad I paid for extra legroom seats. For two of us in economy it was over a $1000 in seat fees for round trip travel from YYZ. There are times when I’ve been unable to lower myself into the seats if I don’t manage to get extra legroom. At least these days you can book in advance even if it costs a lot. In the old days I’d turn up three hours early and have even been known to cry when they said no!
I really liked my 2hr Emirates 777 flight to Delhi after a 14.5hr flight from Vancouver. As a somewhat shorter person, I wasn't bothered by the seat tightness, and was moreso enamored with the gigantic IFE screens and the wonderful (vegan for me!) breakfast. It was definitely a full flight and I had trouble finding space for my overhead bag though the FAs were incredibly kind in helping find a space for it. Would definitely fly them again...but also hoping to fly direct YVR to DEL on either a new Air India plane or with AC again sometime soon.
Hey , indigo has deployed their business class on Delhi to Mumbai flights. Any plans to cover them?
Welcome to Pakistan.
Great content as usual.
Have a nice trip.
I just flew my first 3-4-3 777 flight last year, granted it was a 1 hour flight with ANA, so I didn’t have time to feel any real “pain”. I’d have to do a long haul flight on one to see if I have the same sentiment. Even with 3-3-3 config, I don’t find the seats any wider, just that I can squeeze past a flight attendant with the cart in the aisle.
I 100% agree. I love Emirates A380 economy but I avoid the Emirates 777 for flights longer than 3-4 hours. Hoping for the EK A350 is better than the 777.
Another great video. Ugh, your poor knees 😖 can you imagine if the person in front of you reclined! Thanks for always giving awesome advice and reviews. Continued safe travels.
In this case I'd rather the person in front recline than the person next to me have broader shoulders than I do lol
Yeah ..well I had 14hours in one of those seats a few years ago due to a downgrade and it was the worst!! EK is all about premium cabins which they do quite well … most of the time .. economy nah ..
400 gates at that new airport .. let’s hope that doesn’t come at the expense of people literally losing their lives building it - great video Kevin as usual 👏
Love your videos. Thanks again
In my life, I’ve only flown on 747, a330, a350 and 777 on a 3-3-3 layout. Lucky me I guess xd so I was just curious… what’s tighter? 3-3-3 on 787 or 3-4-3 on 777?
777 is tighter. 777 3-4-3 are generally 16.8-17.1”, 787s are 17.3”. 777 aisles will also be narrower.
@ aight thanks. Now I know what to avoid 😂 I think I’ll try 787 just to tick the box. Will try JAL 787s if I can. And ofc a380s have been my goal ever since. No luck yet. My destinations and timings don’t match. Everytime I book SQ it’s always a350s and 777s on the schedules I need. My parents got to fly the sq a380 and I was so jealous 😂
@@keisuke5468SQ’s A380s now have similar Recaro economy seats to the newest A350s they have and their regional A350s and 787s. I don’t think you’d be terribly happy with that. The seat back is black plastic that seem to make the whole cabin feel very tight. They previously had light-coloured seat backs, which do a lot to brighten the cabin and make it feel more airy. Also, these new seats are THICK, great for back support, not so great for legroom and the IFE screen is literally in your face before the passenger in front reclines. Just a very tight-feeling space all round. I honestly prefer Emirates seat as they look to be using a modern SAFRAN model, that I encounter on Asiana Airlines, much more space and still comfortable enough.
i have flown on the b777
emirates . the middle ones are ok kind of
The MIDDLE ones? lol noooo
777, 787 & 737 ill avoid if they have dense configuration and wide armests
Thank you the video ❤ Emirates Airlines my favorite 🥰🥰
I am always flying Emirates and I must say as a tall guy my legs do struggle in economy😂. Flew to Auckland in those seats and it was a rough flight.
Wow. Such a detailed video
I flew them for the first time in January from JFK to AMD. The DXB-AMD-DXB 777 seats were extremely tight. I’m 6’2 so I was struggling.
Nice Steve Martin reference. Thought we would not notice but we did
Always until the end including the ads!
I just flew emirates 777 from Dallas to Dubai and then return again, and let me tell you it's one the most uncomfortable seats out there. Both 777-300 and 777-200 are too outdated now. Specially 777-200 my tv didn't even work man.
I rarely agree with the host of this channel but on the 3-4-3 issue he is 100 % correct. My last ANA flight was on a B777-300er and I was in an exit row seat and it felt tight. I am 5 ft 8 in and weigh 150 pounds. Because of this I now avoid ANA when I cross the Pacific ocean I cross the Pacific Ocean and back at least 3 times a year.
Thanks for that wonderful vote of confidence 😂
Yeah but they have the best seat pitch. I don’t mind 3-4-3, but if the legroom is >32 I’m good.
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What's with the strange fog in the distance in Lahore?
That is “smog”, and Lahore is the 2nd most polluted city in the world
Kevin are you an English teacher for ESL students in Asia??😂😂you just give off that vibe
4:06 Given that Emirates has more than 50% of all A380, it is funny to imagine that if Emirates had their modern day route network in the 1990s, they would be flying Boeing 747 for nonstop flights to Australia, Americas, and beyond.
Had a similar experience myself when I flew Emirates economy class from Cape Town to Delhi via Dubai last year, with both legs on B777s.
Cape Town - Dubai was a fairly comfortable flight for its near 10 hours, but that’s largely because I had an aisle access and a vacant neighbour seat, and the crew served atleast 50% more calories per meal than any other airline I’ve flown till date. But the cabin was a bit dated - probably due for a refurb - and the crew was a bit curt (though not impolite).
Transiting in Dubai was unpleasant. The terminal was awfully crowded, toilets were dirty, and all the shopping and dining choices felt squarely aimed at squeezing the most amount of money out of you. I probably had my most expensive cup of Cafe Nero here. Honestly glad to have left, and couldn’t understand what the hype about the airport was all about - perhaps only if you’re flying at the front end of the aircraft.
Dubai - Delhi was very similar to your Lahore experience. With a packed flight, the tight seat was woefully apparent, and even at the short flying time of under 4 hours, I felt very cramped when I finally deplaned - and I’m not even a very tall or big fellow. However, the food service was excellent, the crew was very warm (they were even taking Polaroid snaps of all children flying onboard and handing them out with a goodie bag - haven’t seen that happening in a long time, and I was honestly feeling jealous!), and the aircraft legitimately had the CRISPEST IFE screens (both seat-back and on the hand-held consoles) I’ve ever seen.
Looking forward to your videos from Pakistan! As I’m Indian, I doubt I’ll ever get a chance to visit the country, so always glad to get a chance to live vicariously through others’ experiences :)
2:24, Dubai's first airport was actually built in November 1936 (almost 1937).
For the flying boats landing in Dubai Creek? Most wouldn’t consider that an airport per se.
Fly Muscat to Khasab on Oman Air, do a daylinght flight, you won't be disapponted (I have lived in this region 20 years)!
My experience was horrible on their 737, Turkish and Emirates did me way more justice than that crappy tight airline. 32< inch seat pitch and the food was “unfavorable” to say the least. Only good thing was ife. 6/10
Now imagine how is it to fly on this same seat 14h30 to Rio. 😖
I’ve never quite understood the expression “you can’t have your cake and eat it”, I mean, what’s the point of having cake and not eating it 🤷🏼♂️
The amount of food you got on a 3 hour flight is impressive
I recently flew a similar product on Etihad .. only the frame of the seat pocket in front was half pulled off and gave me even less legroom (im6’1tall), the food was almost inedible, the cabin aircon wasn’t working properly… oh , and this was a flight from AUH to MNL .. 10 hours on that hellhole .. the plane was so old that it still had the original Etihad livery - they hadn’t bothered to update either the outside or the inside of the plane .. I just wonder if Emirates and Etihad continue to subject paying customers to this kind of treatment, simply because they’re flying them to 2 of the less wealthy countries on their networks ? 🤔🤔.. thanks as always , Kevin .. 🙏
Thank You ✈️
Hope you will fly the last flight of Vistara
Sad thing is Emirates 777 still got more seat pitch than Air France or air Canada 777 - the latter which uses them for 12 - 14 hour flights!
you are going to fly cebu A 330 voluntarily???......oh dear!!!
I flew a 25hr routing between DC and CPT on Emirates on both the A380 and the 777. I actually liked the 777 more. Now don't get me wrong, not having maybe 10+ brats running around the cabin and kicking your chair for 14.5 hrs helped, but it just felt larger and more airy. Now, here is what I think the situation is, and peoppe need to remember this. Aircraft manufacturers don't choose layouts, airlines do. Boeing had repeatedly stated airlines can get a cabin with whatever config they want and it can fit 18" 10 abreast. The difference is, and I think it was Qatar who got into a fight with Airbus about this, Airbus won't sell seats less that 18" wide on the A380 and A350. There is also a performance reason for this as Airbus aircraft don't have the performance of their Boeing counterparts. Now I don't fly Emirates enough to care, but it is my understanding Emirates generally has two configurations for the 777-300ER, a regional version and a long haul, and the long haul has wider seats and is more comfortable. I think that's what they told me when I interviewed there a decade ago I just realized. Also, Emirates is partially funded by Dubai real-estate, just a fun fact.
I don't understand why a premium airlines like Emirates keep 3-4-3. Even all Thai Airways 777 (both 300 and 200) are 3-3-3.
Thai actually did use 3-4-3 in the mid '00s. And as for the reason... money lol.
@@tfft thanks to remind me of those early 777-300 (no ER) before 2000. I've forgotten about them. You must be a long time traveler with 20+ years experience.
As someone who's travelled on the 777, 787 and A380 as well as A320 (or 321), by FAR, Airbus has much more comfortable seats.
As for any flight to the subcontinent... lol. This is the worst flight of my travel itinerary (because of the passengers) and I wholeheartedly feel sorry for the cabin crew. It's not a "je ne sais quoi" - it's just that the passengers can be quite a bit of a challenge (as a fellow passenger myself, and someone who lives in the region). But once you're on a flight that does not land/originate from the subcontinent, there's a MASSIVE difference (in a good way).
I'm pretty sure emirates had 3-4-3 prior to 2005.
Oil security is the bed rock of Emirates, which no one talks about. Apart from all their good business practices, they have sovereign assurance of fuel at cheap prices. This is why they do not worry about buying 4 engine jets even today. In fact, they want Airbus to continue production of A380 with newer engines. But the A380 is not a commercially viable airplane for Airbus.
Err Kevin, did I hear you correctly? Cebu Pac …. lol. Bless your soul in 2025 😢
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10 seats in a row in a 777 is a nightmare, when I used to fly economy the 777 had 9 seats like the MD11 and Lockheed Tristar. 10 seats should only be allowed in a 747 or A380.😡😡😡😡
Never again on emirates even their a 380 in economy self loading cargo and cattle class is spot on. SQ Eva Air Qantas CX finair only for me these days.
So, did u experience EK A380? Kindly share ur experience.
@@ishaanrevankar492 I did on a QF booking and they stiffed us on lounge access and QFF the last straw was on a BKK to Sydney( 777) (again qf ticketing) wearing my new pale line suite then transfer Syd Perth was a horror show .RE EK 380 in any config EK do a good job in Biz and told premium economy But with Al Maktuns treatment of his own daughters and many ex-pats in that mad Land not getting any more of my hard earned.Plus the airport is for me just too nig and controlled. One must acknowledge how slick their marketing is including Sam Chew . Bottom line my $ my Choice Thus out of Oz and the EU as well as BKK ,HK anything but a Middle East carrier Why did you ask? are you involved in some way with EK ?
lol Qantas? Finnair? Sq, and Cx are the only comparable ones to EK
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Dubai’s slogan; go BIG or go home.
Emirates may have some negatives but I don’t get why people trash talk it sometimes.
I personally hate the emirates economy. Especially with how strictly the enforce the paid seats for bulkheads and exits. I was welcomed on board by the cabin manager for my platinum status with Qantas and they asked if I need anything, I asked if I could move to the completely empty bulkhead and they replied with only if I pay the $90USD upgrade fee for a 6 hour flight. The bulkhead really is not much better either, I just didn't want to be crammed next to everyone.
Tbf, I love (LOVE) airlines that enforce this. I pay for a specific type of seat like 80% of the time in economy and I have no problem if my row is full, but if I paid extra to sit in that row, I think others should as well.
@@tfft I just don't believe you should pay for seats that are no different but closer to the front. If anything these are worse as you can have your feet under seats Infront of you.
I've flown Emirates economy between Singapore and the UK many times - with and without kids. They are generally good - I'm not a fan of Dubai airport though, far prefer Doha these days. Singapore, Qatar, Emirates being my top 3 airlines - all in economy. Never flown the Japanese or Taiwanese airlines though, would love to try them out.
Especially in Economy EVA and China Airlines would both blow them out of the water.
If you pay for leg room you struggle with waist room, if you don’t pay for leg room you suffer
If I am flying emirates economy, it has to be A380. Their 777 Economy is not worth it, no matter how good entertainment or in-flight service might be. Not sure how airlines are getting away with 3-4-3 in 777 economy in this day and age.
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Emirates is very stingy in economy; and even more stingy in their 777 business class. And typically more expensive than most of the alternatives out of Dubai.
Agree, but was honeslty surprised how cheap this flight in particular was.
I’ve been flying in & out of DXB since 2008, and I’ve never, ever flown an EK flight for the exact reason you’ve mentioned. There are cheaper options, especially for a biz class flights. I might break the trend when the A350 routes are announced and the travel reviewers have their say.
@@get2dachoppa249 - Yup. I fly to Manila and to the US frequently. Emirates is literally double (and less comfortable) other options including Turkish, Kuwait, Qatar (on occasion), and Oman.
I avoid flying EK as much as possible, mainly because I find DXB an overcrowded hell-hole! The airline itself is also extremely over-rated.
Ok then, avoid flying on one of the best airlines with great service even in Economy. And DXB is the best, it's not overcrowded at all. DOH is a dark hell-hole.
Dxb is overcrowded because it was not supposed to handle 100 million pax☠️☠️☠️☠️ doh is struggling with 50 million tho. lol. Doha is the hell hole.
I totally agree about Economy class amenities like pillows and blankets. There’s no place to stash that stuff when you have carryons to consider. I end up grumbling about the flight before it even gets off the ground! 12 hours into a 14 hour flight, I see pillows strewn across the plane. My only reservation from yelling out “Yesss!” to this video is the lack of much history of Econ Class reviews on your page. Do you have other products or sources to use for comparison if you are featuring mostly Business or First Class flights?
777 economy product is really bad. Especially the really old 777 200’s. those planes if they have the new business product are quite nice ironically.
Flew one of them to Mumbai once..it was terrible.
They use the same plane for Barcelona Mexico. I would NEVER fly that route with them in economy
3-4-3 isn't that bad, just lose weight. Also, that seat is new and not old generation !
I`ve not enjoying the flight
ohh I can't wait to see the review of fly jinnah. I'm originally from Pakistan but live in North America and besides the middle eastern airlines there aren't many good options to fly there if you want decent service. And with UAE on the boycott list for supporting genocide in Sudan and Congo, i want to see what alternative airlines one can take for taking you to a hub of an airline like Qatar without having to pay the ridiculous "flying tax" govt of Pakistan has implemented. Last time I flew business to pakistan, about $1400, yes 1400 dollars was just the "tax" going to the pakistani govt. Before it was just on business class or higher but now its also on economy flights but the % of tax is far lower.
777s in a 3-4-3 config needs to be outlawed. Big mistake. I have successfully been able to boycott airlines who did it. And the 787 should go back to the 2-4-2 it was designed as.
emirates economy is the most overpriced economy ive ever flown with, when other competitors has better product in better price like etihad,qatar etc
3x4x3 is disgusting!!!
Emirates also uses crappy planes and seats for flights to Pakistan and India.
I am not flying them because they treat temporary workers like crap in Dubai.
So F Dubai!
Is Emirates the worst service in ecnomy company to others next time try singapore airlines
Yes, next time I'll be sure to try Singapore Airlines when flying from Dubai to Lahore... lol
@@tfft how was service like how bad was cabin crew service abd was their snacks on demand