Nicely done gents. Now I'd really like to see how well Avenger__One & GrandPhenom in Gladius' can defend against a mess of competent pilots in Hornets.
Nice. I am not sure _why_ mediums were left out in the cold like they were. Accident or not, making the Hornet more relevant can only be a good thing and a chance for CIG to actually determine if such changes improve the dynamic.
I really hope this bug turns into a feature and propagades to all medium fighters. They really need a leg-up and better accel always made sense for them.
This is some unexpected good news, and hopefully CIG can learn from this for medium/heavy fighter balance. I liked the hornet before and this would really help increase its survivability. Great fight, lots to learn from it. Thanks for the video!
Chris wants WWII style dog fighters. This just brings more of that. You have light fighters acting more like your Zero and Spitfire turn fighters so making your medium fighters fit the boom and zoom roll of things like the P-47 makes sense.
I'm glad you put this out there and posed the question why not have something like this for medium fighters? I really did not like the hornet series until this patch and now it's one of my favorite.
I would love the same buff to the sabre (with a bit of more maneuverability). it just makes sense with its larger profile and low durability for a medium fighter.
I miss playing SC so much so I'm going to build up that desire to play again so then when I get back into it I wont burn out so fast. These videos are fantastic to show the state of dog fighting in this game. The feeling I got when I saw a Citcon where the dude pulled his helmet out and did a little flip with it then put it on, jumped into a hornet and flew out of a HANGAR! and into space where he then shot two hornets down. Albeit glitchy, the feeling was amazing to just watch what was coming our way. Your videos give the same vibe for me as that first demo flight. Please keep them coming.
Make use of it while you can. Expect the glitch to be nerfed at the earliest possible moment, because there’s nothing else more important to be resolved…😁
Man, what a great point. It is almost like they might still be determine the development of all things and they will all change for better or worse until they like where it is at.
Nice to see how things have come along. I'm getting back in game now after a long hiatus, and this sort of fighting wouldn't have even been possible due to desync and lag in the past. Little bit of desync here, but not bad, not bad at all. CIG are wizards to be able to have this smoothness on 7 fps servers with like 2-3 fps lows.
If they'd keep this that would be cool. Hornets are THE SC classic. Hope they'll get around to do something for my Sabre, too. That ship needs a LOT of love.
Say goodbye to this with Master Modes even if they don't change the main chord accel - hit your SCM speed limit in 1.2 seconds, and the light fighter will be able to outspeed you in SCM - maybe the overspeed in boost might give you a momentary speed superiority, unclear how large and for how long. I guess it depends on how quickly they let you swap between SCM and NAV, but they have said it won't be instant.
My personal ideals for balance would be these: - light fighters have high maneuverability and can mostly keep their nose always pointed where they want, but have low endurance; - medium fighters are less maneuverable but have high max speed and endurance. They may have a second pilot with double controls or a more limited duplicate role excluding them from piloting and guns; - heavy fighters have more health, guns and shields than the lighter fighters but have the highest profile and need a second pilot to reach their full potential, this typically being a turret with the goal to cover the fighter's lower maneuverability and slow acceleration.
I want to say it's about time the Hornets got some love, but I suspect CIG will nerf them again because it was an accident. Still, great to see them in action! A1, if you read this, consider doing a Super Hornet (w/ turret gunners) skirmish. I am sure alot of us would love to see how that plays out
That was some great fighting, I loved it, but I hate that desync. I hate it when you are on target and dotting his eyes when all of a sudden, he disappears and shows up 300 meters off to the side.
i think heavy fighters will come into their own when the new flight model is done and the ship components along with the engineering is done because i see light fighters not lasting much past shield loss wile the heavy fighter will probably be able to louse some structure points before being completely disabled or exploding it could also come down to the fire power bigger ships with bigger guns would tare smaller ships apart once the shields are gorn wile a smaller ship might need to be more precise with its shots to take out key components
This was amazing t owatch and made me wanna drop 10k$ on new PC and flying gear and spend a year mastering piloting. One thing I didn't understand during this whole video why weren't 12 hostiles engaging you at once and just drifting passively around while you took the out one by one
Man, the SH has been "The ship" for me since it came out, by my guess its probably still not as good as the normal F7C, but boy; Do I enjoy watching the little, used to be underdog hornet there kicking some big A in the hands of a couple of capable pilots. Keep it up man, love your stuff as allways.
Great piloting. Very fun to watch. I fly the Heartseeker and I have a hard time keeping my guy from passing out, lol. Just curious if you would care to share how you have this thing set up and why? Why did you choose Badgers and Panthers? Thanks!
Main thruster buff? No, I think CIG just finally remembered to turn it on. The Hornet and Gladiator have been flying on their maneuvering thrusters alone for many years. I've been saying for quite a while that medium fighters were too close in stats to light fighters for the handling performance gap. My take was a bigger gun capacitor, another shield and more hull HP (for everything except the Hornet, which already has good HP), but boy does this work wonders! I think it points out three major things, though: 1) combat remains an "Applied DPS Race", just now it's about pip wiggle instead of shield tanking 2) the flight model archetypes are a failure and destroyed all the years of granular balancing of speed and handling characteristics around ship role and other stats 3) acceleration (including both main and strafing acceleration) matters a lot more for ship agility than turn rate stats do. I'd have thought v2.5 would have proven that to everyone, but years of "Arrow UP" over a 3° turn rate stat shows otherwise... It probably would be controversial as all hell, but I really think sometimes the game would be better without shields. There'd be less incentive to try to duck in and out of combat range constantly and a better opportunity to actually balance the ship firepower, armor, and agility characteristics than there is with the weirdness of regenerating HP. If shields were less of a big deal (particularly on small fighters), lots of other aspects of combat might get better.
I agree, I feel like this is where the Hornet and other medium fighters SHOULD be. After all heavier fighters in real life often may be less agile but they often DO have more engine power.
The super hornet "Weekend Warrior" package was my first package in 2013. I'm glad it's no longer left out of the fun. It totally needs the MkII. The F7A is just ugly as sin.
Isn't the focus on main thruster power from Master Modes? Is it possible they were using the Hornet as a test bed with a quick FM edit and it accidentally got left in 3.19? Either way, I"m glad to see the Hornet back to actually having a role and not just being useless.
Now I get why we saw several Hornets above Ghost hollow. those where probably not as good pilots as the one in Avenger squadron, but we took them on with a manned scorpius and came out on top almost every time. One full gunner mag of the gunner just melts S1 shields, so all you need is one good merge. Still balancing the fight model around medium fighters (hornet) sound like a solid plan. and very cool to see the hornet back in the fight!
One thing I don’t fully understand is what does speed buffs matter at this point? Isn’t the whole dogfighting maneuvering going to be changed when they change the flight model? I been hyped to try it in arena commander when it releases I’ve heard it will make dogfighting much more fun and lower the entry level skill ceiling, make multi ship coordination easier in dogfights where you can stick together more and just make the whole experience more engaging. that combined with ship component damage/soft deaths is going to be a fun time in my opinion. I think once the update rolls out all of the ships will perform the combat roles much more better.
Bring back the age of the medium fighter. It's been a long time since the medium fighters were at the top of the food chain. Hopefully the Saber gets some love as well. Also does this change apply to all hornet variants or just C?
@@largosgamingSuper Hornet did get the “buff” and can hit 24 g’s. More than just about every light fighter but its still overshadowed by the other F7C’s. So it is a bit better but its problems are still very prominent.
I like this fact. I heard that the Golden Child [Gladius] in current wave PTU AC mode gets Fwd/Rear shield like med size shields away from the Light/small "Bubble" shield. 🤦♂🤷
IMO its not just weapons, but armor that medium fighters have. They are NOT (from my understanding) supposed to be the all around superiority fighter between light/med/heavy. The general order of superiority SHOULD function loosely like: light fighter > heavy fighter > large ship > light fighter. Medium fighters are a COMPROMISE between light and heavy. A bit slower, a bit tankier, a bit more damage potential and missiles, BUT still quicker than a heavy fighter. IMO it was a BIG mistake way back when CIG buffed the gladius's hard points and started giving every light fighter s3 hadrpoints. I feel their current fix of not sizing down for gimbals was the rout they should have taken way back. I feel like s3 cannons could have been an armor gate CIG used to differentiate light fighters from med/heavy. s2 cannons could pen med/heavy fighters, but 3s cannons were ideal to break through large ship armor, and s4 for cap ships.
Mediums either need the thrust advantage like the hornet has now, or they can give them extra shields and maybe better capacitors. At a minimum thrust or shield advantage is a must.
It's a good change for now, certainly, but I'd just rather see these medium fighters have way more armor and fire power (and operational range) instead of pulling more g's than the light fighters in any direction.
May I ask why you don‘t use the nose turret? You get slightly more DPS with the two Bulldogs. Is it because it‘s a bit fragile? Man, I‘ve always loved the Hornet. This is what I needed. My buddies tried to convince me to melt mine - I‘m so glad I didn‘t :).
its not 'a bit fragile' it will conk out seemingly randomly taking a huge chunk of your DPS with it. Better to go with admittedly less but stable DPS .
I've only found the nose turret to get buggy in PvP weirdly. The hornet is one of the few ships where going all gimbals is viable, Hawk and Tana being the others, so using a non-buggy nose turret would be welcome.
@@demonicsquid7217 Buccaneer works as well fully gimbaled… It’s just the Hornet nose turret is ugly on all Hornets except the white Super Hornet and Heartseeker. That being said, while the Super Hornet and Heartseeker accept a gimbal on the nose position, currently it seems the Ghost (and possibly the other single seat Hornets) do only accept the bespoke Hornet nose turret or Fixed weapons as it doesn’t accept the S3 gimbal. Maybe a bug? According to Erkul it should work but doesn’t.
I tried PvE in my Heartseeker (Super Hornet skinned variant) and acquired a Ghost and configured it similar. It seems the ‘buff’ didn’t pass to the Super Hornet/Heartseeker, only the Ghost seemed better. Now I’m contemplating melting my Heartseeker… Not sure yet, as I like its looks, but the Ghost is 60 bucks cheaper… still, if they are going to remove this ‘buff’ again next patch that would be bad.
Excellent fight from the two of you! I must say I am slightly irritated by your use of "OODA-Looping". That is not a specific action, but a way to describe EVERY decision you make in a fight: Observe Orient Decide Act When you trigger your decoys, when you fire your guns, whenever you pull the joystick you are progressing through an OODA-Loop. Every single decision you take, can be described with an OODA-Loop: You OBSERVE the situation (Missile warning lights are flashing). You ORIENT yourself (Apply reference framework: What does the light mean? A missile is on approach to you and may impact and damage your ship) You DECIDE the proper course of action (Deploy countermeasures, evasive flying, etc.) You execute your planned ACTion (Hit the key on the keyboard to deploy decoys, adjust the joystick and throttle, etc.) An OODA-Loop is an approach to decision making, not a maneuver you pull of like an Immelmann turn or Cobra. It is a process. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop You can apply OODA loops to sword fights, gun fights, naval battles, whatever. You can even use it to describe processes in companies or factories (although there are other tools better suited for the latter). Anyways, cheers and keep on going!
I genuinely enjoyed fighting you there buddy! Shame i got left in the cold by the rest of the team! At some point, if you are game, im very much keen to come do some learning with you? The only saving grace is how long i managed to last against you both focusing on me! Made me feel a bit better! I could not understand how you had the speed you guys did on thrust! Now i know! Haha!
Honestly I think the community should vote to leave this change how it is and let CIG know because it feels so fun to fly in. The ghost is pretty much my flag ship since 2015 so I pray they consider keeping this how it is.
The hornet and the ares inferno are my two favorite combat ships in the game. They may not be the best, but the curb appeal is too high for me to use anything else.
I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with the hornet. It's a cool medium fighter, but I hate its current look. I would love if they updated the current Hornets to the tier 2 version of the F7A
i have only 1 question: why Hornet is more nimble in compare with Saber? Hornet is bigger, have bigger weight and More weapons. And with all of that it has better pitch and yaw.
Missiles...they need to make S2/S3 missiles lethal and difficult to shake. That is what should distinguish the medium fighter. As the F4 obsoleted the F8 the medium fighter should excel in payload by carrying these nasty missiles that the light fighter airframes can't or can only carry two of. Then as a follow on to this is the heavy fighter filling its traditional role of long-range patrol and escort, able to carry the payload over a long distance and loiter for independent patrol.
I really hope CIG considers not nerfing it back into the ground again. CIG should also consider a similar buff to the Sabre. If they think it is too OP, maybe a very gentle nudge down at most. Having the ability to engage and disengage has made the Hornet enjoyable to fly again, and I think makes it somewhat relevant again. I wouldn't call it the meta, what I saw in the video was teamwork winning the fight, and not a grossly OP Hornet.
if they keep this accel with master mode, the hornet being able to zip around with boost significantly faster than anyone else could be really powerful, but turn rate could matter more at low speed, who knows how itll play out, but i cant wait to see it
it's not just the acceleration that's bugged the SCM and black out mechanic is broke AF as well. about 500m/s in ArcCorp atmo. was wondering why i was seeing so many more than usual in AC. guess people exploiting the bugs is the reason lol.
@@ghostlight_tv so far the damage output of the ion cannon.... I have killed about 30 ships with it in the last day. And it is 2-3 shot on a cutty , 10-15 shots on a reclaimer if you land the shots where they need to go. M50 is 1-3 shots It's definitely not what it was back when the ares launched. But it's in a really good place right now. I had two of my buddies grab theirs and go try bounties in them and they both said the same thing. It seems like it got a buff.
@@JuanBrolo hmmm I’ve been using the ion every patch since 3.17 and it doesn’t feel any different to me. Maybe it’s a small change and I just didn’t notice since I already use it.
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One small step for the hornet, one giant step for medium fighters!
Boy oh boy, so excited for the Hornet! Good fights to all of those guys! And I always enjoy flying alongside my brother!
Nicely done gents. Now I'd really like to see how well Avenger__One & GrandPhenom in Gladius' can defend against a mess of competent pilots in Hornets.
Nice. I am not sure _why_ mediums were left out in the cold like they were. Accident or not, making the Hornet more relevant can only be a good thing and a chance for CIG to actually determine if such changes improve the dynamic.
Now they just need to get the defender,sabres variants, and vanguards back where they should be
Is broken
Love Anvil. Good to see the Hornets performing
I really hope this bug turns into a feature and propagades to all medium fighters. They really need a leg-up and better accel always made sense for them.
This is some unexpected good news, and hopefully CIG can learn from this for medium/heavy fighter balance. I liked the hornet before and this would really help increase its survivability.
Great fight, lots to learn from it. Thanks for the video!
They never learn.
Chris wants WWII style dog fighters. This just brings more of that. You have light fighters acting more like your Zero and Spitfire turn fighters so making your medium fighters fit the boom and zoom roll of things like the P-47 makes sense.
I love the idea of that!
"1.4, 3, 2, 1..." callouts are super awesome to state closure.
I'm glad you put this out there and posed the question why not have something like this for medium fighters? I really did not like the hornet series until this patch and now it's one of my favorite.
I would love the same buff to the sabre (with a bit of more maneuverability). it just makes sense with its larger profile and low durability for a medium fighter.
I'd be okay with the Sabre's current performance if it was, you know, actually stealthy in any practical sense.
holy shit I actually totally forgot the saber existed til this post lmaoooo thats how you know Medium fighters need help
Loved the video, enjoyed hearing all of the tactics going into the fight.
I miss playing SC so much so I'm going to build up that desire to play again so then when I get back into it I wont burn out so fast. These videos are fantastic to show the state of dog fighting in this game. The feeling I got when I saw a Citcon where the dude pulled his helmet out and did a little flip with it then put it on, jumped into a hornet and flew out of a HANGAR! and into space where he then shot two hornets down. Albeit glitchy, the feeling was amazing to just watch what was coming our way. Your videos give the same vibe for me as that first demo flight. Please keep them coming.
Make use of it while you can. Expect the glitch to be nerfed at the earliest possible moment, because there’s nothing else more important to be resolved…😁
Pretty fucken hilarious hearing "OODA loop!" as a verb...
My favorite word 😂
That flip and burn sticks like glue!! Finally Hornet is viable!!
Good flying with, and against you guys today. Thanks for having us. Good fights.
Good job brother!
Man, what a great point. It is almost like they might still be determine the development of all things and they will all change for better or worse until they like where it is at.
I saw this live and some of the merges and catches were smooth AF. Good stuff dude!
That was for sure fun! Awesome video man!!!
So glad to see the hornet viable again one of my favorite cockpits with the white and blue tracker version needs more light tho like the super has
Nice to see how things have come along. I'm getting back in game now after a long hiatus, and this sort of fighting wouldn't have even been possible due to desync and lag in the past. Little bit of desync here, but not bad, not bad at all. CIG are wizards to be able to have this smoothness on 7 fps servers with like 2-3 fps lows.
Something that defines what a medium fighter is. GIG will nerf it now. Great video.
If they'd keep this that would be cool. Hornets are THE SC classic. Hope they'll get around to do something for my Sabre, too. That ship needs a LOT of love.
Say goodbye to this with Master Modes even if they don't change the main chord accel - hit your SCM speed limit in 1.2 seconds, and the light fighter will be able to outspeed you in SCM - maybe the overspeed in boost might give you a momentary speed superiority, unclear how large and for how long. I guess it depends on how quickly they let you swap between SCM and NAV, but they have said it won't be instant.
Played against grand-phenom in AC a few weeks ago. Absolute unit. I didn't stand a chance. Cheers. o7
All good brother, keep pushing!
I noticed that. I tried to land and kept smashing into the ground light speed. But in a dogfight it's now truly fun
appriciate uploading this video! Pure art
I didn't realize they had increased the main thrust until I slammed into a planet going much faster than I expected.
Nice. I love my Hornet, it's about time it got some love.
Return of the King moment for the Hornet.
My personal ideals for balance would be these:
- light fighters have high maneuverability and can mostly keep their nose always pointed where they want, but have low endurance;
- medium fighters are less maneuverable but have high max speed and endurance. They may have a second pilot with double controls or a more limited duplicate role excluding them from piloting and guns;
- heavy fighters have more health, guns and shields than the lighter fighters but have the highest profile and need a second pilot to reach their full potential, this typically being a turret with the goal to cover the fighter's lower maneuverability and slow acceleration.
I want to say it's about time the Hornets got some love, but I suspect CIG will nerf them again because it was an accident. Still, great to see them in action! A1, if you read this, consider doing a Super Hornet (w/ turret gunners) skirmish. I am sure alot of us would love to see how that plays out
That was some great fighting, I loved it, but I hate that desync. I hate it when you are on target and dotting his eyes when all of a sudden, he disappears and shows up 300 meters off to the side.
...my boy got a buff?! Might have to enjoy it before they re-adjust.
I hope this is hear to stay
Is the Heartseaker effected?
If I'm not in my Connie Andromeda, or Glaive. I'll use my Heartseaker solo.
i think heavy fighters will come into their own when the new flight model is done and the ship components along with the engineering is done because i see light fighters not lasting much past shield loss wile the heavy fighter will probably be able to louse some structure points before being completely disabled or exploding it could also come down to the fire power bigger ships with bigger guns would tare smaller ships apart once the shields are gorn wile a smaller ship might need to be more precise with its shots to take out key components
This was amazing t owatch and made me wanna drop 10k$ on new PC and flying gear and spend a year mastering piloting.
One thing I didn't understand during this whole video why weren't 12 hostiles engaging you at once and just drifting passively around while you took the out one by one
I picked up a Ghost and love it. It has been years since I had one and I forgot how awesome they look.
Man, the SH has been "The ship" for me since it came out, by my guess its probably still not as good as the normal F7C, but boy; Do I enjoy watching the little, used to be underdog hornet there kicking some big A in the hands of a couple of capable pilots.
Keep it up man, love your stuff as allways.
Hands down my favorite ship to fly, even before the thrust bug. I usually have 3 of them set up to go in different configs.
has Tom Cruise seen these dog fights?!! if avenger_one & his org. isn't featured in 'Top Gun 3 (20xx)' in some amazing way then im rioting!!
Great piloting. Very fun to watch. I fly the Heartseeker and I have a hard time keeping my guy from passing out, lol. Just curious if you would care to share how you have this thing set up and why? Why did you choose Badgers and Panthers? Thanks!
Main thruster buff? No, I think CIG just finally remembered to turn it on. The Hornet and Gladiator have been flying on their maneuvering thrusters alone for many years.
I've been saying for quite a while that medium fighters were too close in stats to light fighters for the handling performance gap. My take was a bigger gun capacitor, another shield and more hull HP (for everything except the Hornet, which already has good HP), but boy does this work wonders! I think it points out three major things, though:
1) combat remains an "Applied DPS Race", just now it's about pip wiggle instead of shield tanking
2) the flight model archetypes are a failure and destroyed all the years of granular balancing of speed and handling characteristics around ship role and other stats
3) acceleration (including both main and strafing acceleration) matters a lot more for ship agility than turn rate stats do. I'd have thought v2.5 would have proven that to everyone, but years of "Arrow UP" over a 3° turn rate stat shows otherwise...
It probably would be controversial as all hell, but I really think sometimes the game would be better without shields. There'd be less incentive to try to duck in and out of combat range constantly and a better opportunity to actually balance the ship firepower, armor, and agility characteristics than there is with the weirdness of regenerating HP. If shields were less of a big deal (particularly on small fighters), lots of other aspects of combat might get better.
How do people get such smooth performance? I generally have extreme rubberbanding where the aim pip is just jittering back and forth.
Nice. Looking forward to Master Modes.
I agree, I feel like this is where the Hornet and other medium fighters SHOULD be. After all heavier fighters in real life often may be less agile but they often DO have more engine power.
The super hornet "Weekend Warrior" package was my first package in 2013. I'm glad it's no longer left out of the fun.
It totally needs the MkII. The F7A is just ugly as sin.
Isn't the focus on main thruster power from Master Modes? Is it possible they were using the Hornet as a test bed with a quick FM edit and it accidentally got left in 3.19?
Either way, I"m glad to see the Hornet back to actually having a role and not just being useless.
Now I get why we saw several Hornets above Ghost hollow.
those where probably not as good pilots as the one in Avenger squadron, but we took them on with a manned scorpius and came out on top almost every time.
One full gunner mag of the gunner just melts S1 shields, so all you need is one good merge.
Still balancing the fight model around medium fighters (hornet) sound like a solid plan.
and very cool to see the hornet back in the fight!
One thing I don’t fully understand is what does speed buffs matter at this point? Isn’t the whole dogfighting maneuvering going to be changed when they change the flight model? I been hyped to try it in arena commander when it releases I’ve heard it will make dogfighting much more fun and lower the entry level skill ceiling, make multi ship coordination easier in dogfights where you can stick together more and just make the whole experience more engaging. that combined with ship component damage/soft deaths is going to be a fun time in my opinion. I think once the update rolls out all of the ships will perform the combat roles much more better.
7:45 you guys got on the same brain waves there
About time the Hornet got some love :)
Looks great, I hope CIG keeps the change. Could use some tuning but I'll take anything to shake up the light fighter meta.
Im waiting for us to get the MK2 'hull' of the Hornet for the SH, C, and the other two, before i start using it again :T
Bring back the age of the medium fighter. It's been a long time since the medium fighters were at the top of the food chain. Hopefully the Saber gets some love as well.
Also does this change apply to all hornet variants or just C?
yea, curious that F7A got buffed the same.
Can confirm Ghost got buffed as well.
@@cath6851 I was more interested in the granddaddy of SC dogfighting, the F7C-M super hornet since you don’t have access to an F7A.
@@largosgaming well you have, as it's easily steal it from npc's. Vaughn for example.
@@largosgamingSuper Hornet did get the “buff” and can hit 24 g’s. More than just about every light fighter but its still overshadowed by the other F7C’s. So it is a bit better but its problems are still very prominent.
dude this was awesome
I would love to do this but I was busy making back all the aUEC, modules and gear that CIG wiped on their version upgrade.
I'm so happy right now, cant wait to jump back in now
I like this fact. I heard that the Golden Child [Gladius] in current wave PTU AC mode gets Fwd/Rear shield like med size shields away from the Light/small "Bubble" shield. 🤦♂🤷
I have wanted to be an F7A main since the re-work, can't wait to get my hands on it and make the most of the mark II eventually.
It is a positive change, I hope they expand it to other medium fighters.
Tbh, I didn’t even know this had happened… but I did noticed something different in the flight mechanics of this beautiful ship, now I know why 😅
IMO its not just weapons, but armor that medium fighters have. They are NOT (from my understanding) supposed to be the all around superiority fighter between light/med/heavy. The general order of superiority SHOULD function loosely like: light fighter > heavy fighter > large ship > light fighter. Medium fighters are a COMPROMISE between light and heavy. A bit slower, a bit tankier, a bit more damage potential and missiles, BUT still quicker than a heavy fighter.
IMO it was a BIG mistake way back when CIG buffed the gladius's hard points and started giving every light fighter s3 hadrpoints. I feel their current fix of not sizing down for gimbals was the rout they should have taken way back. I feel like s3 cannons could have been an armor gate CIG used to differentiate light fighters from med/heavy. s2 cannons could pen med/heavy fighters, but 3s cannons were ideal to break through large ship armor, and s4 for cap ships.
now if only the saber can get some luv
Mediums either need the thrust advantage like the hornet has now, or they can give them extra shields and maybe better capacitors. At a minimum thrust or shield advantage is a must.
It's a good change for now, certainly, but I'd just rather see these medium fighters have way more armor and fire power (and operational range) instead of pulling more g's than the light fighters in any direction.
U just upgraded to a hornet and let me tell you I am very happy.❤
May I ask why you don‘t use the nose turret? You get slightly more DPS with the two Bulldogs. Is it because it‘s a bit fragile?
Man, I‘ve always loved the Hornet. This is what I needed. My buddies tried to convince me to melt mine - I‘m so glad I didn‘t :).
its not 'a bit fragile' it will conk out seemingly randomly taking a huge chunk of your DPS with it. Better to go with admittedly less but stable DPS .
I've only found the nose turret to get buggy in PvP weirdly. The hornet is one of the few ships where going all gimbals is viable, Hawk and Tana being the others, so using a non-buggy nose turret would be welcome.
@@demonicsquid7217 Buccaneer works as well fully gimbaled… It’s just the Hornet nose turret is ugly on all Hornets except the white Super Hornet and Heartseeker. That being said, while the Super Hornet and Heartseeker accept a gimbal on the nose position, currently it seems the Ghost (and possibly the other single seat Hornets) do only accept the bespoke Hornet nose turret or Fixed weapons as it doesn’t accept the S3 gimbal. Maybe a bug? According to Erkul it should work but doesn’t.
Is this a part of the ship rework they were talking about?
The Arrow at 7th minute had his landing gear down most of the fight :D
Simple question... How come you have this big HUD and my F7C-M has a HUD almost impossible to see?
Love that the hornet is getting this love, time to go rebuy my Super Hornet.
Any reason you fly the basic model and not the Super Hornet?
I tried PvE in my Heartseeker (Super Hornet skinned variant) and acquired a Ghost and configured it similar. It seems the ‘buff’ didn’t pass to the Super Hornet/Heartseeker, only the Ghost seemed better. Now I’m contemplating melting my Heartseeker… Not sure yet, as I like its looks, but the Ghost is 60 bucks cheaper… still, if they are going to remove this ‘buff’ again next patch that would be bad.
Excellent fight from the two of you!
I must say I am slightly irritated by your use of "OODA-Looping".
That is not a specific action, but a way to describe EVERY decision you make in a fight:
Observe
Orient
Decide
Act
When you trigger your decoys, when you fire your guns, whenever you pull the joystick you are progressing through an OODA-Loop. Every single decision you take, can be described with an OODA-Loop:
You OBSERVE the situation (Missile warning lights are flashing).
You ORIENT yourself (Apply reference framework: What does the light mean? A missile is on approach to you and may impact and damage your ship)
You DECIDE the proper course of action (Deploy countermeasures, evasive flying, etc.)
You execute your planned ACTion (Hit the key on the keyboard to deploy decoys, adjust the joystick and throttle, etc.)
An OODA-Loop is an approach to decision making, not a maneuver you pull of like an Immelmann turn or Cobra. It is a process.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop
You can apply OODA loops to sword fights, gun fights, naval battles, whatever. You can even use it to describe processes in companies or factories (although there are other tools better suited for the latter).
Anyways, cheers and keep on going!
I might have misunderstood .... is the acceleration buff intended or not? Will it stay good or get nerfed back down?
I genuinely enjoyed fighting you there buddy! Shame i got left in the cold by the rest of the team! At some point, if you are game, im very much keen to come do some learning with you?
The only saving grace is how long i managed to last against you both focusing on me! Made me feel a bit better!
I could not understand how you had the speed you guys did on thrust! Now i know! Haha!
Good job bro, you did well!
@@GrandPhenom cheers bro! Definitely coming for a fly with you when your free! Those distortions wrecked me!
Honestly I think the community should vote to leave this change how it is and let CIG know because it feels so fun to fly in. The ghost is pretty much my flag ship since 2015 so I pray they consider keeping this how it is.
The hornet and the ares inferno are my two favorite combat ships in the game. They may not be the best, but the curb appeal is too high for me to use anything else.
I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with the hornet. It's a cool medium fighter, but I hate its current look. I would love if they updated the current Hornets to the tier 2 version of the F7A
i have only 1 question: why Hornet is more nimble in compare with Saber? Hornet is bigger, have bigger weight and More weapons. And with all of that it has better pitch and yaw.
Huh. Have to think on the physics there. That poor guy in the wildfire was way under-experienced. Gladius fight was nice
Missiles...they need to make S2/S3 missiles lethal and difficult to shake. That is what should distinguish the medium fighter. As the F4 obsoleted the F8 the medium fighter should excel in payload by carrying these nasty missiles that the light fighter airframes can't or can only carry two of. Then as a follow on to this is the heavy fighter filling its traditional role of long-range patrol and escort, able to carry the payload over a long distance and loiter for independent patrol.
I really hope CIG considers not nerfing it back into the ground again. CIG should also consider a similar buff to the Sabre. If they think it is too OP, maybe a very gentle nudge down at most. Having the ability to engage and disengage has made the Hornet enjoyable to fly again, and I think makes it somewhat relevant again. I wouldn't call it the meta, what I saw in the video was teamwork winning the fight, and not a grossly OP Hornet.
5 Star Video Thanks
what about the super hornet ? did it also get that buff?
How do you turn off the blinding lights in the interrior?
Final boss was truly the final boss ;p
Definitely no Light Fighter meta trust me bro
buzzcutpsycho will hate this,
Why?
@@standarsh2186 he made a video crying about pilots being good, because he isn’t
Lol there’s a lot of guys like that in video games. Its called tall poppy syndrome
Nice highlight. Thanks
I really wanna get into pvp but I got no clue where/how to start for real.
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if they keep this accel with master mode, the hornet being able to zip around with boost significantly faster than anyone else could be really powerful, but turn rate could matter more at low speed, who knows how itll play out, but i cant wait to see it
How long will it be before CIG nerfs the Hornets?
What will the Sabre get?
28Gs+ WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Does this boost also apply to the two seats version ?
it's not just the acceleration that's bugged the SCM and black out mechanic is broke AF as well. about 500m/s in ArcCorp atmo. was wondering why i was seeing so many more than usual in AC. guess people exploiting the bugs is the reason lol.
they might be testing the San'tok.yāi's capabilities with the Hornet(speculation)
I'm left handed on pc, keyboard and mouse only....you make this look sooo easy lol.
Pedals help a ton
The ion got a shadow buff as well btw it feels so much better and the damage output feels so much better ad well
What’s the buff to the ion?! The Ares ships are my favorite even though they’re not in a great place.
@@ghostlight_tv so far the damage output of the ion cannon.... I have killed about 30 ships with it in the last day. And it is 2-3 shot on a cutty , 10-15 shots on a reclaimer if you land the shots where they need to go.
M50 is 1-3 shots
It's definitely not what it was back when the ares launched. But it's in a really good place right now.
I had two of my buddies grab theirs and go try bounties in them and they both said the same thing. It seems like it got a buff.
@@JuanBrolo hmmm I’ve been using the ion every patch since 3.17 and it doesn’t feel any different to me. Maybe it’s a small change and I just didn’t notice since I already use it.
@@ghostlight_tv could be I'm not sure. I've been using it for a while and this recent patch it feels better to us