What went wrong in New Zealand?
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- In this video, Emily Carver, IEA Head of Media, sits down with Sam Collins, Senior Advisor to the Director General at the IEA and Jamie Whyte, author and philosopher, to discuss New Zealand's politics and Covid strategy during the administration of Jacinda Ardern.
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The answer's simple. Jacinda Ardren is what went wrong in New Zealand.
Not in my book and there is a hellava lot more to consider and can't be divided into one side or another
100% true
So true so true 👍
@@ananamu2248...your book needs to be thrown out and burned bud.
Look at the latest poll,Adern and Labour are not in dire straits.
Neither National or Labour have run the country for the people properly,for at least 35 years. Left wing, Right Wing,same Bird.
They are both globalists,approaching the same goal from a different angle
I haven't lived in NZ for over 40 years. But when I go "home" I see a lost country. Lost to globalism. What a contrast to its days as a confident and secure country that I remember. Sad to see.
I think these guys are right also. Two dominant political parties. One has no particular philosophy and, in the long run, just blows about with the wind. The other entrenched in a self-destructive globalist philosophy.
Get rid of Ardern also. She's dreadful
@@alexdavis1541 Her past association with former Communist Hungary,should have been known before she was elected,she is showing her full colours now. Winning her second term by landslide,was what she needed to enforce her real views. This whole pandemic was planned by the people that trained her,and Trudeau,so much the public don't know,they will soon find out.
@@Andy_M986 She is probably typical of the hard/identitarian left. She doesn't question her ideals, indeed she thinks of them as being aside from anything political. Such people simply see themselves (mistakenly) as going about being a good person.
What this leads to is tyranny. And you don't have to go too far back in history for examples, the 20th century will do.
@@alexdavis1541
You're totally right about our situation, and it's going to get worse .
People are sick to death of dear Jacinda,she's on the way out,not soon enough
Her days are numbered and the political abyss beckons! This New Zealand is not the one I grew up in. It's time to give the minor parties a shot!
"Look, the Empress has no substance."
Frauds always appear " kind " and warm at first.
Worm their way into people soft part the heart then Whaaaaat!!!! Wake up to late
Just like the "protesters".
@@pimiatawhi9450 I think She does care, but she is decieved by WEF, UN and the Globalists who say they want to take over the world to help it. Suddenly, all the people who robbed the poor now want to help then... Yeh right!
@@geraldperyman6535 Seems like you're buying the MSM version of what happened in Welliwood?
Jacinda Ardern is most definitely NOT ‘a very nice woman’. She is a pretty good actress & NZ hates her
She certainly does not come across as a 'very nice woman'.
It’s obvious these two don’t live in NZ, they have probably got most of their information from watching other media. So many inaccurate statements were made. Maybe get some people who actually live here to talk about what is going wrong.
Id say they live in the UK.
53 Deads to USA 1 million UK 200 thousand say it all
They seem more woke then most of the sheep shagers in nz that follow Adern.
@@jimmunro4649 NZ had the luxury of closing its borders. Closing borders in USA and the UK isn't possible. 21,000 illegal immigrants crossed the English Channel in 2021 for example. I would argue comparing death stats cannot be used to vindicate NZ's Covid response. NZ is geographically blessed and lower death stats are a by product of its isolation being exploited rather than impressive leadership decisions.
Completely agreed!!! They are both so out of touch!!
I had to laugh when the man on the left mentioned "the team of 6 million" 🤣🤣🤣 they'd not a single person in NZ could get that so badly wrong. We've had it drummed into us continuously day and night for 2 years.. it's FIVE MILLION!!! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
I found the critique of Jacinda's virtue signalling when she formed a government with Winnie, very interesting because this was why I instantly disliked and distrusted her. She grabbed power by putting as Deputy PM, a very divisive person who had tiny voter support, and then she immediately started spouting on that she had a mandate to do things. Disingenuous and narcissisitic to her very core.
National and Jim Bolger/Jenny Shipley did the same thing in the 90s, it's just how coalition politics works.
This guy on the left thinks Jacinda is a very kind person. Just look at how she treated the protestors at parliament and decide if you think she is a very kind person. Its her way or the highway.
Nigel Farage is NOT a thug, quite the gentleman actually. Muldoon was no thug either...But he was tough and forthright in his conservative views.
Muldoon was an alcoholic economic pragmatist who was probably a bit mad.The country was in a bad way when he was voted out.
Exactly, just because he didn't suffer fools lightly some who got on the wrong side of him thought him a thug
@@johnnyboy1586 He was a genuine piss head,the parliamentary staff had to stop him from driving home!
@@johnnyboy1586 Were you around when Muldoon(Piggy)was in power?His economic strategy was to freeze wages and prices .Thi strategy was similar to Eastern Europe at the time.He encouraged the Springbok tour that led to civil unrest,used the libel law to intimidate,paid farmers to overproduce (which eventually killed the wool industry),called his political enemies communists(when he was using their econ.strategies),picked on Samoans,etc. .etc...
@@geraldperyman6535 I was about 18 at the time so wasn't really into politics,but yeah you are right he was known as a bit of a bully
National party has same agenda !
This is actually the least bias commentary on what is happening in NZ I have seen
Biased is the correct word you need.
Really interesting discussion far superior in depth of analysis than anything on BBC. I have to admit that I detest Ahern people who admire her tend to be similar to her in that they confuse virtue signalling with virtue
Precisely! Thank you I concur.
You detest Adern,I suppose this is the level of political discourse that the right tend to inhabit.
I have voted Labour all my life (I’m in my 60’s) but would never vote for them again or any of the main parties. They’re all just different versions of the same thing. I saw her cruel side after she brought in mandated vaccines or lose your job, not allowed at hairdressers, cafes, libraries etc, even though we had a high vaccination rate. It was do as you’re told or else, not kind at all. Ugly in fact.
@@nzkirsty6816 The protesters are Fascist,Fascism feeds on ignorance .As Trump said;"l like the uneducated".The misinformation coming from the Trumpist is blatantly anti democratic .The protesters are not listening to objective information.
Cafe open here so are Hairdressers in Invercargill
For two New Zealanders on the show the amount of factually incorrect information is quite disturbing
True, found that a turn-off
Could you say, I'm not from NZ, what information you found incorrect and disturbing?
@@simongreaves9465 how about a declared Act party supporter and a declared National party supporter talking? Isn't that enough?
What is the incorrect information?
@@atlaspath5803 Team 5 million not 6, NHI not NHS but otherwise interesting conversation. Sounds like they haven't lived in NZ for a while.
Comrade Ardern A Legend in her Own Mind!!!!!
Agreed
The feminist who put a hijab on, and betrayed all women
@@K_one_w_one SOLD!!!!!
She was a good leader until she became a dictator and forced mandates of vaccinations and thousands lost their jobs and have been cast out of society, even though we've only had 54 deaths of Covid power has gone to head and now she won't listen to the people...NZers all did what she said, we all behaved through out severe lockdowns, massive financial losses , high inflation, etc , the then she stopped people from coming home causing huge problems, she punished everyone by ignoring basic human rights my body my choice
@@dreams.r5934 If her instincts are tyrannical she could not have been "good". All it needs is the right conditions to set someone like that off.
Don't forget many people in the "free world" were admirers of that German leader, until he was able to show his true colours...
28:45 'Don't tell me what to do with my shower head'. Well quite, let's keep the government out of that decision!
they made it sound ridiculous...but anyone with a brain would of known it was about saving water.
That Jacinda is kind is debatable, when you have her saying after a reporter from the Herald asked about the creation of two classes of citizens - between the vaccinated and unvaccinated - Arden said: "That is what it is." We have lived in a nanny state for years, when people need to be told what is right then there's already trouble. No laws can make people ethical or moral people, only the people themselves can do that, but it takes being an adult and not a child
You forget to mention that self satisfied scummy smile she gave when answering that question.
Jacinda is kind and inclusive of all those that agree with her, but to hell with everyone else. Her collectivist ideology will always justify sacrifice of the individual. In her mind even this is a form of kindness. She is a master propagandist, but similar to most of the NZ population she has a terrible knowledge of history. We are going to need to learn some lessons the hard way.
Helen Clark not only wanted to regulate the size of shower heads for environmental reasons she regulated what type of electric light bulbs we could buy.
She Also introduced the Plastic Milk bottle!!!!
Sounds like you didn't notice that the light bulb project was environmental, including to save electricity to avoid raising prices.
Ardern banned plastic shopping bags which was fucking annoying as hell.
@@shadowbanned5164 Polluting the land and the ocean was the entrenched option that had to shift.
This bullshit here’s the rundown National ran the show Key stood down the party imploded and Arden took advantage simple and she’ll remain until National get their shit together
politician shouldnt have shares in the vaccine and drug companies ?
Agree completely...I was horrified to find out that there are eleven US senators who have shares in the various covid 19 vaccine companies!!!
Many country leaders have never owned or run a business yet they somehow get to run a country.
The quality of politician has decreased within the last 4-5 decades in my opinion.
And most business owners have never run a country, balancing economic issues but also social ones. Ok business owners increasingly looking at triple bottom line but i suspect you dont mean those sort of "unbusines like" businesses. I find you comment very trite.
@@stevegale4505 "trite"....?
If you can't run a business successfully you will have trouble running a country.
Most politicians have never run a business.
They are not politicians, they are puppets.
@@Doogsa-dl8sc puppets of whom? Not puppets of the right wing bullshit.
@@stevegale4505 NWO
Intelligent discussion. Thank you. I’m a bit more pessimistic about the economy. According to trading economics the government debt:GDP ratio went from 18.6% to 31.1% in just 2 years form 2019 to 2021. That's a catastrophe because none of that colossal sum of money was used to grow the economy. I can see government debt becoming even worse while temporary unemployment becomes permanent, particularly in the tourism and education sector. Anyway, why isn’t Jamie Whyte leader of the ACT party. He’s a hell of a lot more articulate and thoughtful than Seymour.
Thomas Sowell knows what is causing the inflation worldwide.
You need to learn economics.
I was probably a bit harsh on Seymour. He's dropped the comedy act and he's sounding like the most serious and convincing politician in NZ right now. I was going to vote National but I think I'll vote ACT now.
I’m a kiwi the new breed are weak once a very proud country sad to see
I had to quarantine in Australia for two weeks (death of a parent). Same deal with soldiers doing the escorting and guarding, but confined to the room for the entire time.
Thank you very much for this discussion, even though it's all bad news!
Soldiers dont want to be there. they quarantine for 6 weeks at a time.
I am in New Zealand and voted for Jacinda on her second term. And Yes, I plead guilty. But her second term is a kick in the gut for most middle-income families like myself. NZ was a country of opportunity and openness. Now it has transformed into a very closed system. One only has to take a walk on NZs main street on the CBD queen street. All you will see is roadblock, barriers, obstacles, and homeless. I can't say for others I will not be voting for her again. Not sure about Luxon either. He needs to prove himself.
at least your honest , jacinda is a witch and that isnt even a joke .
Ardern will turn us into Zimbabwe. Like you I'm not sure about Luxon. I would like to have seen Simon Bridges have another go now that he has matured. He is more centrist
Now you realise it? A lot of people voted for her due to COVID response. However, the problems were growing far before the COVID. The only good thing that the pandemic did to NZ was it revealed the reality of NZ.
Luxon is just as bad as Jacinda if not worse. They are all cut from the same cloth- remember that.
Crush the Duopoly-they're as corrupt and self serving as each other!
This was really well presented and worth listening to, all through. Thank you.
In NZ, crazy times for us ! Help
Change your leader for starters
@@hugodrax71 No. Say what you will about her, NZ has avoided most of the negative effects of COVID, health-wise, and economic-wise. New Zealand has had only 53 COVID deaths, and the economy continued to grow all through 2020 and likely 2021.
@@ef888 Your GDP fell 3.7 per cent at the end of last year - which will continue to happen if you constantly lock down. And she's locked down if half a dozen people tested for covid which is sheer lunacy. Above all, her covid strategy will make NZ a pretty miserable place.
@@hugodrax71 so, long story short, these people aren’t going to change anything, except maybe make the general public even less sympathetic to their cause
@@hugodrax71 NZ gdp grew overall 4.9% in 2021, and 1% in 2020. The 3.7% statistic you’re talking about was one quarter in 2021.
The trees kept voting for the axe even though the forest was shrinking. But the axe was clever and said because my handle is made of wood, I am one of you. Turkish proverb.
New Zealand first hasn't been around for a long time. The sheer misunderstanding of Aotearoa's politics amazes me.
What is Aotearoa.
@@grahamsatherley7996 The Te Reo name for New Zealand, its used interchangeably here
There's no such thing as an Aotearoa.
Jucinder adern that’s what . She achieved making NZ the most expensive country to live in that’s what she’s done. As for covid she’s allowed entry to NZ even while covid was rife, even today I’ve seen air China heading for NZ.
Interesting talk. Both speakers had some insightful things to say, but both made some glaring errors of fact.
They are:
- Sam says that the previous PM was John Key - it was Bill English.
- Jamie makes a Freudian error with the name of the previous Labour leader - he is Andrew Little, not Richard Little.
- Jamie says severe lockdowns ensued whenever cases popped up. Not true - there were occasions when it popped up, but contact tracers ran it into the ground (usually because the cases were close to the border). These cases just didn't make the news as often.
- Sam consistently gets the PM's name wrong. It's JacinDa, not JacinTa.
- Jamie says New Zealand was in a partial lockdown at the time that this was filmed. This is not true - the orange setting was not in any way a lockdown. Even red isn't a lockdown.
- Jamie refers to immigration changes in the 90s - they actually occurred in the 80s with the passage of Immigration Act 1987.
- Sam talks about the health and safety legislation to disparage the current govt, but this law was passed by the previous National govt.
- Jamie says that he's the only one to have campaigned on repealing the RMA. Not true - National campaigned on this in 2020, and Labour is in the process of repealing it now.
In short - both speakers make obvious factual issues, but Sam is the better informed of the two. But an interesting chat nonetheless!
I think you are splitting hairs and being rather pedantic on two of your points:
- in terms of immigration, he said "until the 90's"
This is is an approximate time, and if the law was brought in the 1987 then it's fair to say that the 90's were different in terms of immigration than the 80's or any time before that.
- you say that the previous Prime Minister was Bill English not John Key.
As far as I remember, Bill English wasn't elected, he became prime minister after John Key resigned (I can't remember the date), much like Chris Hopkins today after Jacinda Ardern's resignation. So Bill English was only Prime Minister for the last little bit of a 9yr National government led by John Key, and he wasn't even elected, so you could safely that John Key was the previous Prime Minister. Chris Hipkins is currently the Prime Minister until the election, but probably nobody would say that the last Labour government was led by him. People will remember it as Jacinda's government, just like the last National goverent was Key's government, not Bill English's because he was there for a little while (was it even a year?)
no mention of three waters and the fact that Maori will have 50 % management without referendum, or being voted in by taxpayers, no mention of segregation of healthcare institutions, no mention of 50 % of Maori governance, this all amounts to apartheid by this government, comrade Jacinda has to be voted out just to save N.Z. from an awful future, as for the treaty of Waitangi, it has become a business, three short paragraphs have turned into a minefield of of claims that were never written in the treaty, racism is alive and well in N.Z. governance has to change !!
I loved this discussion. So interesting and informative.
Always find Jamie Whyte fascinating to listen to, shame he doesn’t officially work for the IEA anymore to get more content from him
Her strategy was & is Klaus Shlobs WEF agenda .
Not one of you addressed the real situation in nz or the world for that matter you’re all 3 blind.
There’s a huge push for one world govt one world currency one world religion that’s going fwd with gusto in nz I hear, that will bring into focus why the Arderns govt is labelled rightfully tyrannical.
Both major parties following neo-liberal "let's privatise everything" policies for the past 40 years has been NZs problem. If we don't urgently put some major reforms in place to undo the unsustainable levels of innafordability many Kiwis are living in, we will end up with favelas for the many and South African style fortress gates for the few. Our social contract that used to provide the vast majority with affordable housing (house price around 3x median income 40 years ago), upward mobility, free education, secure retirement, etc is broken and if "centre right" (and Labour might be fluent in "woke" and spout some lukewarm leftist rhetoric but their economic policies are right wing at the core) idealogues won't allow policies that provide real material improvements for the average person, we will eventually get the revolution we deserve.
The bulk of the past 40 years are about derivatization Muldoon was the last person to privatize anything. After him came Lange who sold off everything he could and created NZ's first billionaires in the 2 investment bankers who brokered all that.
The housing crises in both New Zealand and Australia is shocking. Too much in the hands of too few - as usual.
@@josewilliams6094 interesting that labour blamed immigrants for pushing up the prices, yet under Jacinda the immigration has been stopped cold for 2 years and prices still rocket upward just shows how incompetent she is.
@@TheBeaker59 It was returning New Zealand citizens who raced for home and safety during the past 2 years. Many arrived with lots of money and promptly competed for property. I expect the immigrants referred to, were people from other countries who moved to New Zealand before the pandemic and they had started a home price competition, especially in cities. I agree the past several governments, both Labour and national, have all done their part to undermine the affordable housing rental pool that began way back with the Muldoon government that decided to sell off the public housing pool. The pandemic has created a massive shortage of building materials into NZ because of disrupted shipping, creating huge pressure on exisiting homes. First home buyers haven't got a show of buying a home now, even in regional areas where prices have also escalated beyond belief. It's way more complicated than it appears at first glance which is why these superficial, unbalanced programmes are so irritating.
@@josewilliams6094 Bugger all Kiwi's have returned either. Labour haven't built a single new social house they have merely claimed credit for the ones John Key started. Muldoon was the last PM to build significant new infrastructure including social housing. Though he was still building them badly eg Otara.
The NZ PMs used to come to our House when they visited Niue,they couldn't party at Premier House,so mum being a cousin of the Govt family, offered our place. Dad was on the piss with Muldoon one night,and Muldoon told him some things,things that made dad tell me and my siblings,never vote National,they are going to ruin NZ. I always thought Labour were right leaning. Now I know.
Labour are in my opinion, financially orientated right (of center), social justice orientated left (of center). Labour (outside of emergencies pays down national debt) National is into how to transfer as much of the nations money into their and their mates personnal hands while in power as possible (they always run up that national debt, almost without exception, while hiding it they are doing this to boost private wealth at the expense of the public), gentle acts of rascism are always welcome. ACT is how to transfer as much of the nations wealth into their and their mates personal hands as quickly as possible and not bother to hide it. (that is Sam Colliins who you are listening to here) And under Sam, open rascism not even coded (that is why they kicked him, damaging the party too much by being too obvious about it). This is my opinion as an overview of each party, averaging out their behaviours (yes they are all made up of individual members). Does this mean I am happy with Labour, no. They could and should do better. But the choices are not choices.
@@WarriorKiwi007 Labour used to be about the people,not since before Helen Clarke though, you're right about National stacking the debt,and as always Labour has to pay it off. I always thought Labour were right leaning,and National were left. The dilemma now is,the right team to vote for,Ardern has completely ruined Labour,that whole unit has smeared the once glorious reputation they had. From my point of view anyway.
Now look Labour has ruined Aotearoa
@@pimiatawhi9450 Yes, i remember David Lange and Norm Kirk,as well as Rowling,who all cared more about the people,Helen Clarke was the first to implement the rot into Labour.
What about how Labour's hidden agenda with the He puapua? Is no one ever going to discuss this or is the roll out of Tribal rule by 2040 just going to continue without objection? Doesn't New Zealander's want to uphold democracy which their ancestors fought hard for? Jacinda is not full of "Kindness" - that's rubbish!!
NZ has lost its lustre. The so called leader should be in jail for her atrocities. She is vile.
Another disgruntled National supporter.
Nope, not from my front porch.
You may need some taxpayer funded health care though.
#TakeYourMeds
@@flangekiwi chips with all that salt oh bitter one? keep on sooking.
@@donjohns4878 you're the only one here sounding bitter about life in Aotearoa NZ.
I'm stoked with how well we're doing. Thank whatever God is listening that we didn't have a Boris or a Donald. Or John "#PanamaPapers" Key, for that matter.
But, we're not out of the woods yet so there's still time for Omicron to getcha. (If you're wanting some more time off on the taxpayer dollar.)
Calling the PM vile and demanding she be jailed: that's called "projection" sweetheart.
Your fragile chromosomes are showing, #INCEL
Best put on your Man-Pants, if you want the ladies to take you seriously.
I wouldn't be taking Jamie & the other dude seriously when talking about Maori or our history.
after listening to him talk intelligently on politics to then degrade himself by flippantly dismissing the Treaty of Waitangi....it was totally apparent and disappointing.
What happened to NZ? The voting of Jacinda Adern, a female version of Canada’s TOADdeau!
These puppets installed around the world for the reset. Morrison Boris Merkel et al.
@@Doogsa-dl8sc : Hope they get their justice sooner than later. The world was asleep and too trusting! Many hated President Trump because he had the balls to stand up to these evil politicians! What they keep accusing him of is actually a projection of their thoughts and actions.
It wont matter which party because Maori for the past 182 years have stuck to and will not change what they believed the treaty clearly offered them. It’s basically a legal contractual document signed between two independent nations in goodwill and peace.The Maori culture and language belong to the entire country and the tribes have been and still are the gatekeepers and protectors until the whole country and our government respects it fully and is finally mature enough to look after it properly. There has been a significant change in attitudes in regards to our nation’s founding document/contract. National party has mostly regarded the treaty as a hindrance and nuisance however, by law if the rescind the document, by British law. Everything will revert back to original ownership prior to the signing. “Don’t shoot the messenger” and my personal favourite “don’t hate the player, hate the game”
That's our Bible is the Triti o Waitangi
Question....what went wrong in NZ....mmmmm..Jacinda Ardern got elected...thats it really.
As a Māori NZer, i had to turn this video off at 26 minutes because so many things being said were offensive and completely incorrect. Particularly about the treaty and "Māori being happy with the treaty"... What a freaking joke!! I think this man hasn't met a Maori in his life 😱👎🤯
Both these men have made some very odd statements which make me wonder if either of them even reside in NZ, or have any real expertise in this area...???
Yeah, as a Pakeha/Tau Iwi ... these two made my skin crawl.
I think Jamie was trying to say Most Maori are happy with the Treaty as it is written, But all Maori are unhappy with the way the Treaty has been flagrantly violated by the Colonial NZ government.. And rightly so in my opinion..
These two have no idea what there talking about
I don't think that is what he said Peter Murphy points this out in this thread. If you were not listening to what he said and could not stand hearing him any longer, you might ask who/what you were listening too.
@@petermurphy9968 You do know why Maori signed the treaty right?
Jacinda is horrible, she fooled me once, not again. She's cruel.
She can't see pass her United Kingdom nose .go home jucinda take your rules back to your own country
The terminology "legalising" drugs was what caused the failure of the referendum. Had the question been "Are you in favour of decriminalising drugs?" the vast majority of the population would have said yes.
The Treaty is the unique difference compared to Canada and Scotland. To many Maori, the real issue has never been about foreigners buying property BUT, more importantly to Maori was WHO is selling the land. You cannot blame someone for having money to buy something that is id offered for sale. There are many other significant factors that your guest have not taken into account. For too many to list however, watch this space, it’s about to get interesting politically.
I think the real issue that Maori don’t understand is how the reality of life works. It’s great that you guys take the energy to whine and whinge, sorry I meant fight for your rights as activists for land that was stolen from your ancestors, but the reality of life is that once one army conquers another, the land is indeed taken by the victorious army. The same goes during peace time eras, once a company out competes another company and acquires them, the victorious company now owns AND therefore CONTROLS the acquired company. This is how life works. It doesn’t matter what contracts (analogous to your treaty) were signed, there’s always workaround to make them meaningless.
@@sheldoncooper0 I’m not surprised by your response, it was only a matter of time before you showed up. You couldn’t resist it could you? At the end of the day, it’s a LEAGAL CONTRACT. If there was away to cancel it would have been done by now. Unfortunately, you’re still living in the past and, why do you sound so AFRAID?? No one is forcing you to stay therefore, you are well within your right to stay, join us and be part of the new future. Trust me, the progress of change is already happening and there’s no stopping it. Of course you could gather all your activist supporters and march to Wellington and complain to the Government.
@@johntepu1869 progress? Last time I looked at the statistics, Māori were overrepresented in poverty, premature death, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, incarceration, infant mortality, unemployment, and conversely underrepresented in university attendance, medicine, dentistry, engineering, accounting, law, and Nobel prizes.
Yeah great progress and contribution you guys make to society.
@@sheldoncooper0 Theft of lands .?Receiving stolen lands or buying stolen lands ,is a crime yet cauc asian s are not charged for doing so,but if maori steal anything jail.Not racist at all.
The woman is a two faced socialist tyrant, the worst prime minister I have ever experienced in my half century of life. The problem in NZ is we have no good political parties to choose from. We vote governments out because we are sick of them not voting in a good party on their merits. Not only do we have a poor choice of politicians our bureaucrats are probably worse and are not voted in or out. Our education system has been so influenced that what they teach now only fuels the madness in parliament with youth that have a very different understanding of history and politics. Unless this problem that is now firmly entrenched in our political and educational institutes NZ faces the risk of being torn apart by socialism and race based politics and health system. All of this is aided by 24/7 propaganda on all our media that is being paid off by the government.
The govt.is paying off the media?Where does this come from?Use facts (also use your name)if you promote these opinions.
@@geraldperyman6535 It is public knowledge the government is funding the media. Where have you been?
And please tell why I should have the account under my name just because you want me to? The right to privacy and freedom of choice used to be core principles here in NZ. You can read my comments and sure make your own however please take into account that you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a sh1t.
If you want the truth apply for info under the OIA. You may be surprised.
@@Aldoor Use facts.
Public Interest Journalist Fund. Fact!
@@Aldoor What's sinister about it?
gosh i wished everything was as simple as these people see things
Passed on to share...
I have been seriously contemplating about posting this or not because there is already more than enough diversity between kiwis right now than ever before but stuff it!!
Please note this is not a post on views or beliefs or a place to debate your views, this is just genuinely what I heard with my own ears and found it rather concerning.
Earlier this week I was in wellington for work purposes, whilst I was there on Monday well over 100 police checked into the hotel I was staying at ( Allgood I was there for my job they were there for there's play on)
Later that evening I was in the bar/restaurant for dinner and so was a few groups of officers and this is where I over heard a group of 6 police talking, laughing and carrying on about how the government had given them the permission to use full force on the protestors and how they had they had planted (infiltrators) violent undercover protestors and given them ammunition to cause trouble to allow the police with reason to use any force needed, joking about how they hoped not to get hit with their own bricks and how they couldn't wait to let loose with pepper spray.....
Then as I'm standing at the bar getting my last drink before bed one officer who seemed a little intoxicated came to the bar, thinking I must of been one of them considering 99% of the hotel guests were police from all over he asked me
"was I excited to be here an cause some mayhem" at quick thinking and not wanting to engage in conversation or lie to the guy I replied "I'm just here to find Clark Gayford mate"
His reponse amazed me, "you won't find him here mate, he's up on his drug charges up north why do you think we have to wait until Wednesday to go in, it's all about distraction mate, I'm just looking forward to my bonus once we clear this scum out"
Make of this what you will, it is word for word what i said and heard.
Regardless of my views or yours on the protest itself the force then used on Wednesday against New Zealanders Young and old was totally disgusting considering it was all pre meditated and planned by our police and government regardless of how peaceful anyone was that day or who they were or why they were there.
Again this isn't about any views or what I or you support this is genuinely something I found rather disturbing and goes to show how much our mainstream media and our government are twisting words and lying to us as well as covering things up on the daily, not to mention the PMs partner up on drug charges ???
Ps: Of course I reached out to people and media on this (surprise surprise they didn't want to know)
Mel Berry ...thank you for sharing this truth !
It's confirmation of what I've heard.
I appreciate your testimony and encourage you to share on Facebook,
We the people of NZ need to hear the real Truth. Thanks again
Yes this was borne out in the live videos by Chantelle Baker and participants of the Freedom Camp who returned, injured and traumatised in various ways by these govt led police and the Sirco Robo cops as well as the tent firing, brick throwing paid participants making out that they were the peaceful protesters. ACC can substantiate some of the injured from hearing loss, pepper spraying effects into eyes, other facial and bodily harm. Some of these were captured on video and in photos as being done by police yet no follow through on charges laid against them have been processed...not to mention the unlawful arrests the victims are still having to deal with as the courts are hanging them out to dry.
that is bullsh##t. People throwing bricks and lighting fires were on video, 87 were identified and charged. 40 police injured, 8 in hospital. If your story was true, I guess nearly all the police at the hotel were infiltrators, and some of them must have injured themselves.
Never did I ever in my life expect to see a panel where Jamie was the most moderate.
just starting to watch this.....lol its Andrew little. this guy form uk is a fake . how can you make it up if you dont even know there names . thats right , you just make it up
Sorry but nigel farage is not a thug , so don’t make comparisons to someone that you consider a right wing thug with nigel farage
However he is a Trumpist nutcase,does that make you a right wing thug?. It means you support right wing thugs at least...
@@adriantuthill1292 The only thug's are the leftist autocrats running the show in New Zealand......and America.
@@adriantuthill1292 So mean tweets make one a thug......boohoo 🤔😆
And then there is the Zero-Covid policy, and . . . terribly slow organising of vaccines
. . . . how is that panning out ? And who was she listening too ?
Or has it been just been an opportunist mix of band-waggoning and denial ?
Freedom? Fairness ? the Puritan streak ? Lots and lots of insights.
This panel shared plenty of misinformation.
Kinder society my foot!! Cruel experiment with dire consequences! There is a lot of nastiness here in NZ. All driven by Jacinda Ardern!
Be fair, the first 'Labour' government was a dodgy coalition that everyone thought was unlikely to last 3 years. Ardern held it together and Labour was re-elected with a majority. If we're going to judge Labour's performance, we should do it primarily on the current term. Governments under Ardern have been too much ideology and not enough proper research/preparation, but they have at least attempted to address infrastructure issues that were simply ignored by the preceding National governments. John Key did nothing except seek a photo opportunity, and unfortunately the good people in his government all retired when he did.
If National had a leader like Paula Bennett they’d be in a far better situation. I’m a Labour supporter through and through but it’s to National’s great detriment that she isn’t around anymore.
@@ef888 Paula Bennett never bothered me much, but I know some people who loathe her. I don't think National could have won with her as leader even if she is more appealing than Mr Smarmy Simon Bridges. Luxon is at least relatively inoffensive at the moment, and as long as he doesn't get too full of himself and isn't undermined by the greedy unethical behaviour of some of his colleagues, National might perform creditably at the next election. Apart from their handling of Covid, Labour has upset a lot of people, eg tenancy act changes, 3 Waters, environment-related measures, failure to build more housing, etc.
@@margaretp1465 National had zero chance of winning the last election with any leader. Luxon reminds me a lot of that one guy National had as leader for like a month in the middle of 2020, bald guys in their 50s with a corporate background. I think he’d do a better job at winning back ex-Nat ACT voters than the necessary Labour support. I expect Labour to be returned in 2023 but losing seats, and national gaining seats, but anything can happen rlly
@@ef888 I agree with your first statement, but it wasn't solely because of the Jacinda effect in pandemic. National shot itself in the foot in so many ways, including the guy who couldn't stand the pressure of leadership. Judith Collins was handed a party of lemmings, and in some respects it's remarkable that she saved aby from going over the cliff. I think Luxon is made of sterner stuff than what's his name and he's less offensive than Collins, but only time will tell. Last election the right of the party went to Act and the more liberal and floating vote went to Labour, some with the idea that a straight Labour govt was less scary than a Labour-Green coalition. We still ended up with a L-G coalition of sorts, but not as left wing as it would have been if Labour didn't have a clear majority. Act has a leader with charisma. It may not be as easy to win back those voters as it will to win the floating and liberal-right voters away from Labour. Almost certainly we'll end up with another true coalition, but personally I'm not willing to bet on whether it will be more left or right. It's hard to compare NZ politics with parties overseas. National is not the direct equivalent of the UK Conservatives and US Republicans would consider National policies to be scarily liberal.
Ardern and labour won for no other reason than mugs like me voting her in thinking that a labour majority would at least keep the green nut jobs out. National was dysfunctional and never going to win, so we hedged our bets. To the countries detriment.
Jacinda ardern is a fish and chip attendant who has been promoted beyond her level of ability
did that shop do chinese?
A Government that taxes an expense (interest on mortgage for a rental property). It beggars belief
Jacinda and her family will need to leave NZ permanently...I'm afraid she is chased out of every small town she visits...we will never forget the damage that she has done....R.I.P Rory Nairn.
To much spending overdrive
Nor Labour's Nor National too much spending and selling our country water to foreigners too many foreigners here in New Zealand
Authoritarian,
liberal, shower heads, smoking, what we eat, eating sugar, public health, RMA.
Size of shower heads. We have had severe droughts where water has had to be used sparingly. Aotearoa New Zealand is long and skinny surrounded by ocean. We get most of our economic and development models from countries that sit within continents with vast hinterlands providing water catchments and land based resources. How we manage limited resources defines us. We could live through droughts using market forces allowing rich people to shower under multiple deluge shower heads, water their lawns all through the drought, wash their cars on their driveways letting the soapy engine oil and brake lining dust into stormwater drains and rivers and harbours and leave the poor to have dust baths with the sparrows.
RMA gives enormous powers to NIMBYs. The so called inefficiencies of the RMA stalled a never used mothballed oil fired power station near Marsden Point from being converted to being coal fired. The decision was not based on environmental considerations but economic due to the cost of scrubbing mercury out of the exhaust, and the cost of dealing with the ash, and the cost to the local fishing industry that mercury poisoning would create. The RMA was created as a neoliberal project that brought together most of the existing environmental laws under various Acts into a one stop shop.
The liberal side of it was that it is effects based not activity based legislation. It allows developers to challenge in court local government plans, it allows developers to make private plan changes to skirt around council plans, property developers can even pay planning consultants to write strategic plans for councils which they can adopt.
Since liberalism has loosened up planning rules the protection of trees is greatly diminished and trees unless registered individually have no protection. This has led to 300, 700 year old trees being cut down to improve some wealthy peoples views.
The Maori land issue in Auckland. Much of that land was confiscated during early colonial days. To return a couple of hundred acres of land out of hundreds of thousands is a small price considering the total real estate value of Auckland that everyone has prospered from.
Smoking and sugar. Aotearoa New Zealand has very high rates of diabetes particularly for Maori, Island and Asian communities. One way of preventing diabetes is to reduce sugar intake, which is present in most cheap foods that the poor people in our low wage economy tend to buy. Diabetes is forecast to reach epidemic proportions in the next decades and a responsible government would do its best to take evasive action, even if it is for purely economic reasons, the cost of tying up hospital resources apart from human suffering.
Anti immigration: anti foreign investment.
The big support for migrants comes from property developers that want to turn farm land at farm land prices into residential housing blocks and massive profit margins.
Migrants are cynically used as seasonal low paid labour on farms and orchards and vineyard, and in many trades and industries often in poor accommodation and conditions.
This country has lax capital gains tax laws which have attracted property speculators from around the world. We hear stories of foreigners buying houses off the plan and leaving them empty of owners or tenants to make a capital gain. This does nothing to alleviate the housing crisis while creating competition in the housing market for building materials that keeps people that need houses to live in out of the market.
Can't agree with much of what is presented here.
Since you can be prosecuted for defending your life (in New Zealand) I will not spend one penny there on vacation or business. I refuse to support a nation of compliant sheeple. Personal Freedoms should be celebrated, not quenched. Good video discussion. Thx
Good for you , wouldnt want you here anyway
. . . I liked his insight into what Public Health is;
viz; Health where we may be a danger to others
versus personal health where we mainly endanger ourselves
Labour will lose the next election because they have failed at delivering everything except apartheid which this video didn't discuss. Jacinda and her Maori MPs are introducing rights based on who your grandparents were including unelected ethnic based governance groups on infrastructure that didn't exist before the treaty. And it doesn't stop there, your health care, your justice system, your special privilege funding all comes down to if you have 1% or more Maori ancestry, and the public are not allowed a say in it. Democracy has been removed in NZ with Jacinda taking away any ability for the public to have any say in this. Make no mistake, NZ is currently under a dictatorship, foreign press are only just starting to wake up to this.
Very interesting from a Kiwi living in the UK.
So many businesses are in debt, over 90% of the population have their 2nd vaccinations
The Resource Management Act has caused the house issue in NZ. The protests in Wellington happening now show the real substance of the government ability to bring unity and prosperity to NZ people while the economy is suffering. Day of reckoning is starting with the protests and extremely low productivity issue never addressed.
Oh right and what did National do when they were in power, speeded up the sale of state house's, then John Key said there's no housing crisis. Now that same man has gone in with Chinese owned Stonewood Home's to raise 100 Million to build house's, talk about creating a market to line your own pocket.
@@philipjackson5818 neither party has resolved the issue of the housing crisis. more mismanagement by the government is shown in in by this th-cam.com/video/FQczefQNt7w/w-d-xo.html
Nigel F. is no thug. You sound ridiculous.
These people calling him a thug have lived sheltered lives
Emily kept the show moving a very informative on track piece. Kind - Nanny State: Resource Mngt Act: 2 Years to Election and Tanked Economy: Kiwi's do not want another mummy/nanny they want a strong Economy for everyone to enjoy.
world events have impinged on NZ. EG . NZ was the cheapest place to enter for Chinese who didn't like the CCP takeover in Hong Kong. Pacific Islanders were allowed in to work in the fisheries a job no one else wanted . NZ is often used to introduce social experiments .The country has changed dramatically since being targeted NZ for immigration and took over all corner dairiez then gas stations which operate on cash basis .
Many countries around the world were complaining about foreign buyers, mainly Chinese, around 2012 to 2016 pushing housing prices up in there major cities. Many countries introduced taxes and later taxing empty houses as well. It got so bad even the china government itself tried stopping such large amounts of money leaving its shores in 2017 . Nz put the ban in place in 2018 which made little difference because like many countries with extra low interest rates since the GFC there local investors took the batten after Chinas foreign buyers had started property inflation going
Absolutely No content on your profile page marks you as a Govt. troll. Typing from the beehive basement, are we?
Andrew Little, if you claim to know what you are talking about get the names right!
"they owned the land fair and square"....blech, NO they did not. You actually said you had no idea what was in the Treaty of Waitangi....well read it, then read it in Maori...two different treaties and most of the land in NZ was taken and given to those British expats who were then given the land deeds, even when they threw Maori a crumb by saying they could have it in name but any leases made were for 100 years...you try getting ahead with stupid low paying leases that lasted for generations. The farmers did so well they now "own" most of NZ, the Maori....well we all know what happened there!! So no, it wasnt owned fair and square.
@Cameron Mcdonald Cameron tell them yaself. They're on the Chathams.
But isn’t that what all the treaty settlements are about? The government accepting, on behalf of history, that they did wrong and paying each Iwi for their poor treatment. Are they making amends for the past?
Winston Peters he's the man ~ should have been Prime Minister years ago !!!
Tells it how it is !!!
A radical, sexist, racist and incompetent party was given authority - that is what happened. A lack of quality people in politics has led to this distaster but I sense things may be improving.
No idea about New Zealand!!!!!
The host of this interview is such a sweetie. 😎
SIMP detected!
Quarantine was in multiple countries not just here.
This commentator, Sam Collins, isn’t much of an expert. He’s wrong that New Zealand typically follows a mainstream consensus. There’s a long history of the country adopting new and forward-thinking ideas that were considered radical at the time but were only later embraced by the mainstream. Often these were under a labour government. First to allow women to vote, anti-nuclear stance, anti-apartheid stance, environmental protection movement in the 60’s, reparations for injustices to indigenous people, etc. Also odd that he incorrectly and repeatedly gets the name of the prime minister wrong, calling her “Jacinta”.
New Zealand is implementing medical apartheid! Can’t you see two inches in front of your face?
@@Alert64 What are you talking about.
Agreed👍🏾
Nothing odd about a stale pale male getting the name wrong of a strong powerful woman.
In fact, put-downs, nicknames and appearance comments .... it's part of their modus operandi 😉
And also why so many of us chuckle at them in the real world.
#PayingAttention
@Marcinogen D WTF are you on?
WE DON'T HAVE A LEFT/RIGHT DICHOTOMY HERE IN NZ.
WE HAVE AN IDEOLOGICAL CONTINIUM AND POLICIES WHICH REFLECT THAT.
Ugh! Sorry to others reading this comment.
Goddam USA Deplorables got me shouting.
But hey Yankee; while you're here trolling me:
For the record ... #AgolfTwitler and his AmeriKKKlan enablers are the 21st century's shitstain on humanity. The history books will not be kind to any of them OR you.
You aren't in my country. Because we take people like you for a walk in the bush.
Andrew Little - missing the part where Jacinda talked about "TPP is a dog of a deal & at very least needs an independent impact analysis as to how it effects Income analysis & climate change". After a week of the Nat's (who were in power at the time) being exposed in numerous scandals as we got close to election day, political & business analyst Fran O'Sullivan said on national TV that regardless of who was elected NZ would be signing TPP. After scraping in , Jacinda & Winston had negotiations with her good WEF classmate Trudeau & it was rebranded as CPTTP - with one lesser page of a 4000 page tome of legal caveats written in secrecy by corporate lawyers exclusively in their clients favour was pushed thro....
She is a media opportunist that milks every possible media opportunity but has been clearly neoliberal long before she got elected...
Ardern = world economic forum.... nuff said
Explain ,this sounds like nonsense
@@geraldperyman6535 If this sounds like nonsense..you did NOT do your resurch.. jacinda has been trained by the w.e.f... All the fascists who are currently trying to enslave humanity globally are w.e.f. puppets.. (aussie NZ, the netherlands, france, belgium , germany, canada, italy, etc. etc.) They own the corrupt media and ALL tell the same LIES and follow the same script.. But many people don't know this because of CRIMINAL censorship and years of brainwashing by the media.. Apartheid (mandatory discrimination) is NEVER ok...NEVER EVER ! nomatter what "pandemic" they may invent.. A virus is NOT a justification for fascism, dicrimination, propaganda, censorship, divide and conquer tactics, apartheid, fearmongering, loss of privacy, loss of human rights, loss of independant "news" and control (green pass, QR-code etc.). We are not cattle..
@@theowoudstra3660 dont bother with that kunt man hes a troll
Good convo I especially enjoyed the analysis on the Scottish links and fairness more than freedom in NZ. Due to this disaster that is happening in NZ I think this is changing though and people are starting to not take their freedom for granted anymore and the trust in Government is shrinking really fast. We have been fed fear for 2 years as a country and now that everyone has had covid they are not in fear anymore and they are thinking that the government is clearly overeaching and that is not fair. Labour is now below National in the polls and Labour are scrapping closed borders and mandates etc which many in NZ clearly see as unfair given that the jabbed all get it and pass it on and these policies have destroyed the team NZ vibe. There is still some weak NZers that want Jacinda to be their saviour rather than have the freedom to save themselves but this is now a clear minority of kiwis.
Enjoyed. Thanks
Wish Saint Jacqie,, would get those homeless off the streets of Auckland,,,looks a bloody eyesaw,,,when returning home for visits,,, seeing she's so kind and caring to foreign immigrants,,...
She belong to the freemason.
She is a WEF stooge. She no longer has support. She needs to go
A kinder country? It appears from here she has unravelled it at warp speed.
I can only pray for NZ and vote against tyranny
The amount of pressure and stress most businesses are under, particularly hospitality, entertainment tourism etc many closed already, many hanging by a thread and now they are raising the minimum wage during this time. What the actual ???? Why on earth would they think this is rational... business for hospo is down 40% not to mention the huge losses from lockdowns and forced closures for positive staff etc. But the line at McDonalds and KFC etc has increased... the corporate machine have increased their wealth ten fold... Time to connect the dots perhaps? I mean what is going on?
I agree entirely with the first part of your comment but the mention of lines increasing at McDonalds and KFC? How does that relate? That’s our choice where we eat, dumb choice but that actually has nothing to do with the government and their stupid lockdowns. We can choose to support local businesses or the chains. That’s our fault that we chose the chains, not the governments. I am not a supporter of Labour at all, never have been, but I just can’t see how that part is their fault.
Hi Nat, yes I can understand how my statement about the KFC and McDonald’s lines increasing could be misconstrued.
The point is being missed. Im a labour voter always have been. My friends would consider me a liberal. I believe in order to build a community that flourishes we nurture all the people, including the hard grafters who are small to medium business owners. This supports the growth of community… they generally employ locals with good wages and as they are from the community contribute more… in fundraisers etc because the are connected with their community. A school burnt down locally and all the cafes, shops etc donated every coffee sold or whatever the entire profits for the day would go to fundraiser. Did I see big corporate chains ever do that? No. See people don’t understand that when they go to KFC and McDonald’s they support a global corporate machine. The franchise owner takes their cut then the rest of profits are sent to international conglomerates. The billionaire class… who actually control the governments. No conspiracy theory as it is legal requirement to state ownership etc. There are only apx 10 companies that own practically every single major brand in the globe you can think of…. 3 or 4 of them the majority. Why would you want to feed a corporate monster when you could support your local community??
There is NOTHING kind about Adern. Anyone who can read body language or has an ounce of intuition can see it's all put on. She is an actor, she tricked most NZers with her 'kindness' re Christchurch massacre How convenient that incident was for her popularity albeit tragic. Do your listeners know it has been said her fiance has been charged with a serious drug charge (Whangerei Court) with name suppression, she cancelled her wedding but didn't say why, that her cousin is the Chief of Police. She chose the GG. I can't think of one party I would vote for in parliament at the moment. If she is the mother of NZ she is abusive to her people. I see her as the destroyer of NZ and is the protege of Helen Clarke and knows both the Clinton's and Gates. NZ stats say 53 died of Covid, it doesn't say over 800 people committed suicide because of lost businesses, lockdowns etc. She has changed the term suicide to accidental death. There are also jab deaths and injuries. She says it's misinformation but NZ is such a small country we know people with family members who have died, dying and are jabbed injured. She (like other countries) has paid our tax money to the MSM so they report her narrative.Quite a few believe if that is what the TV says then it must be true. The critical thinkers don't. Please do your own research.
One has to ask why so many New Zealanders have moved to Australia and won't go home
Because they following the money. The thing I know is the kiwis in aussie talk alot of game & how much money they make. But then come home broke asf😅 I'll say this tho. Maybe 8% of those kiwis in aussie have made it actually work. The rest are all talk😅 nothing against aussie tho. Beautiful place. But that heat there is crazy.
Plus it's hard getting any kind of help from there government for kiwis. Even if you were born in Australia you do something wrong. They deport you to New Zealand even tho your not born here. Aussie ain't all out to what people portray even the world in fact. All country's have issues just like nz. But I rather be in New Zealand than any other country.
They actually thought they could keep it out ! bonkers 🤪😂😂
NZ has always valued security over freedom. We saw that after Chch attacks and also in the very strict drug and vehicle laws. Now of course it's been applied to the covid response and at rhe start it was very popular. Labour dominated the 2020 polls due to this response and for a large part of 2020 and 2021 there were no restrictions at all except mask wearing on public transport and of course the strict border controls which were our savior in the early days of the pandemic. As for the drug laws.... yes indeed it was fear of a sky fairy being offended by a plant.... I never realized we had so many religious fundamentalists in this country... I have tourettes so are very unhappy with that vote to keep weed illegal. It's a very draconian country and is like Australia is many ways... just easier to manage as no states etc.
What, we chucked that baby out when we went nuclear free and got booted from ANZUS, the National Government supported being Nuclear free.So your claim about security is not validated.
What freedoms have you lost?
All of that just because you want cannabis? Grow some like pretty much everyone else does. The police don't care as long as you don't 'supply' others but a few plants just for your own use doesn't bother anyone.
Greetings Fellow Kiwi. I have had this vlog in the "watch later section" it is a Sunday night so, doing a catch up. Like your "comments', for you will have meaning/relevance. The Gen Election/2020 was 'won' by using, very effectively, Social media for which Jacinda is Queen of the "finger tapping", an art she perfected whilst a List MP/backbencher for Labour, during John Key's 9 year reign. She is also on record (after first election win 2016) as stating " She would lead a Transparent Govt". Hmmm? Religious groups in NZ, yes, wow and for one group, their "Leader" resides in Sydney and has a private jet to fly back/forth to NZ> same group have invested in many major Companies in NZ - will leave the comment at that. Aussie has been portrayed "as draconian" will not disagree (only in last 2 yrs) - but a question, to you - "why do Kiwi's move across the ditch in large numbers, have always done so and are going to re-start again now"? Agree with you on the illegal weed plus issue. Yo have a good week.
yeah that 'saviour in the early days' ......how does it look now.
You believe in the pandemic, you're lost.
Our leaders has the best training as Soap Opera Actors and Actresses they can run away or get away with the bad decisions they made, they dont do what is right they do things or stuff that generates likes and Loves.
God bless Nigel Farrage. We get to keep ‘pints’ & imperial measures. Cheers.
I'm a 5th generation New Zealander descended from Scottish Presbyterian economic refugees.
On the point of banning tobacco.
Annually approximately 4,300 premature deaths are attributable to the effects of addiction to tobacco in New Zealand.
I'm not certain about the data on deaths attributable to cannabis use but its health effects have little relationship to its status as a Class C 'narcotic' which can still get you locked up in the slammer, thus totally destroying your and your families lives for a couple of years.
A comparison : about 350 people die on our roads every year. - often due to those exercising their freedom to be reckless. About 15 of them are cyclists - for whom the imposition of the mandatory wearing of helmets seems to have been widely accepted.
For those who like to rationalize everything down to a $$$dollar value, statisticians in New Zealand currently agree that the 'Value of a Statistical Life' is around NZ$4,500,000 ( per premature death ) - as a loss to the economy as an aggregated whole.
So given these ( perhaps debatable - but still somewhat valid ) statistics, where is the consistency in the argument that tobacco should be freely available for people to make their own minds up about ?
The suffering and misery this 'product' causes may be invisible to you now, but it is the extant reality for those who are experiencing it - and for the health care workers, medical professionals, the tax-payers who are paying for it all.....
Where do they stand on other substances that we seem to accept as being 'illegal' ? Heroin etc..... and the imposition of the helmet law ?
Is the greatest freedom of them all , total freedom from any responsibility for the consequences of our actions ?
Where is the ethical consistency in enabling predatory opportunism by the few on the many ?
Please be consistent.
Jamie is my cousin !
Hi Jamie !! X
Life in Nz became horrible