No horse, that ever lived ,would have beaten Secretariat when he ran the Belmont ! Over 2,000,000 horses have been born since then ,and no horse has come close ! NO horse.
Stu Stewart beat them in fantastic style. So happens they were the same horses he had been beating over and over again. Straight 3yos. It is kind of like the New England patriots playing Cleveland Browns every time they play. A great horse absolutely. The greatest? Not in my opinion. How about Kelso? Horse of the year 5 years in a row. That is more impressive than beating the same ole horses you beat numerous times before, even if it were by 31 lengths.
No horse that has ever lived would have beaten Arkle in the 1965 Gold Cup at Sandown. He smashed the course record by 17 seconds....a record that still stands 54 years on....a record that will Never be broken; because the horse that beats the time......will not be carrying within half a stone of what Arkle carried.
Carbine. He probably appears in the pedigree of most if not all of these horses. Dragged the grandstand (66kg/145lbs) to victory over 38 other competitors in 1890 Melbourne Cup, setting a new record, and carrying 24kg/53lbs more than the second placed horse. Outstanding race record. 43 starts for 33 wins, 6 seconds, 3 thirds. Unplaced once due to injury. Worth looking up. He was truly great.
Phar Lap is held in such high regard in Australia that he became part of the common vernacular. When someone shows great tenacity we say " he/she had a heart as big as Phar Lap".
Phar Lap at No. 5 is low. He was awesome. 27 Group 1 wins, equal 1st. Agua Caliente win, 1932, 1st time on dirt, split hoof, 7 races held that day, track record. Only 5 1/2yo. Excessively weighted during his career. Incredible.
4 wins in group races over 8 days in November 1930 from 8 furlongs to the two mile Melbourne Cup. Unheard of. Like to see the horses above him in this list do that. Wouldn't be able to.
As if there could be any other horse at #1! The greatest that ever lived, ranked #35 of Sports Illustrateds top 50 athletes of the 20th century, Secretariat the only non human in that list. Those track records he set that still stand to this day and probably always will, because there was and only ever will be 1 Secretariat! RIP Big Red you were amazing, and we still celebrate you almost 50 years after your greatest victory❤️😘🙏🏻🌹
Sorry, but any 10 best list without Seattle Slew is flawed. He was a freak of nature and a truly GREAT racehorse. The only horse to win the Triple Crown undefeated and almost died over the winter right after of a blood infection, then comes back as a 4 year old and wins the Marlboro Cup in just 2/5s of a second over the world record set by Secretariat. He beat Affirmed in that race by 3 lengths who happens to be on this list. Why? I have no idea. Affirmed doesn't belong in a top 10 list. Slew's Jockey Club Gold Cup (2nd by a nose) is one of the greatest performances ever. I guess I can rest my case....
I guess it's a persons personal list. Hey, even the official list isn't the beginning and the end. We all have our favorite GREATEST horses & 10 or 20 entries just isn't enough for most of our choices.
Lists like this are totally subjective. So is your claim that the list is flawed because it excludes Slew. Every horse has their pluses and minuses. Slew's negatives include the fact that he was a fragile horse whose resume was thin. He only won 14 races running at age 2, 3, and 4. Citation won 19 races as 3 year old alone. In his only race after the Triple Crown, Slew got crushed by J.O. Tobin and then they rested him for the remainder of the season. Running a rigorous schedule, which would have him run continuously for many months after the TC, was too much for Slew. He couldn't take it. However that was certainly not the case for horses like Round Table, Citation, Buckpasser, or Damascus who ran races constantly and relentlessly. Slew only won two Grade 1 races after his triple crown campaign and those occurred at the age 4. In an era where Forego was winning races carrying huge weight, Slew's connections avoided running him in races where he might be assigned big weight as if it was the plague. The only time he carried over 130 pounds was in the Grade 3 Stuyvesant where he raced against a bunch of nobodies. Slew's victory in the Marlboro Cup in the time of 1:45.8 was certainly a fine performance, but he only carried 128 pounds. Two years earlier on the same track, Forego also won in the time of 1:45.8, but he was carrying 135 pounds. Sure Slew's 2:00 for 1 1/4 miles on a fast track, carrying 126 pounds, was a good performance. However, Forego ran the same time, two years earlier, on the same track, but he was carrying 137 pounds in the slop. When you compare Slew's achievements to those of other horses, there is nothing that conclusively shows that he belongs on a top 10 list or that horses like Citation, Forego, Native Dancer, Count Fleet, Damascus, Buckpasser, Spectacular Bid, Bold Ruler, Swaps etc. etc. do not.
Yes Secretariat was a great racehorse, but there was one to which no one seems to know / remember. My dear friend Citation born the 9 evil in April 1945 at 9.30. He won almost all the races he ran for and won the Kentucky Derby. He also won the Triple Crown. He ran over his career ran into over $ 1 million and then finished his journey through an amazing life died the 8 respondent in August 1970. He was then 25 years. He is a rock Raven on Calumet Farms in Lexington, Kentucky, USA.
In Kentucky Derby and Preakness, he still holds the record, coming from the back of the field to win and set the record. Imagine he was not held back, the record would be even greater!
So glad you mentioned Phar Lap and Affirmed ! Yes, Sham was a great horse; just not up against God's Horse Secretariat. No one has ever beaten his Belmont time and more than likely no one will or if they should be able to they won't win it by 31+ lengths. Affirmed and Big Red (Secretariat) were such beautiful reds. I do think Zenyatta should also be on this list! She was 17.1 hands high and won races! Biggest horse I raced was a Quarter Horse/Appaloosa that was 17.4 hands high and he weighed 1,800 pounds when I got the job of helping him to get weight off. His girth was insane and the only reason I got to be the one to ride him daily is that I was a gymnast and could have my legs that far apart with killing me and ironically I rode him side saddle sometime because my legs did get tired. NO, he wasn't a racehorse like a pro...but that boy could run like the wind once I got his weight down he could outrun any of the horses at the ranch/lodge or any other takers in the area!
Sham is the 2nd greatest hé would hold the records and the triple crown if secretariat didn’t exist, no one horse in history would be as close to secretariat as sham was, not citation, not man o war, not any modern day triple crown winner
@@Yoyoiooui He was a great horse, but sadly for him and his owners and handlers, Secretariat did live and blew all the competitors away at the Belmont. I didn't track Sham's foals, did you and are there any of them alive today? I love the sport of racing and the horse are just regal. I think my loyalty and love for Secretariat is so strong because I watched him race with my dad who was dying. He lived long enough to see the Belmont; but that would be one of the last things were I got to be mostly alone and screaming at the top of our lungs when Secretariat was coming down the track just flying (my 6 brothers never watched racing) with my dad before his multiple times going into the hospital. He would later die from lymphoma cancer. What is the reason you love/loved Sham?
Native Dancer NEVER had a bad day on the track, he had a bad ride once and lost the Derby because of it, but what if he had won that race and gone 21/21 Triple Crown and all? What would we be saying about him then? The best ever? Maybe!
The mighty Forego - did any other horse ever consistently win while carrying as much weight? He was phenomenal. Don't remember seeing Citation on here - won the Jersey Stakes in between running the Preakness and Belmont. What horse today could do that? And Count Fleet did the same thing, winning the Withers, and then winning the Belmont by 25 lengths, and he may have raced the Derby and Belmont while injured.
There are 3 factors that make Forego's accomplishments extra special: 1- he had 3 bad legs for a good portion of his career which required constant hosing to reduce inflammation; 2 - he often carried very high weights as much as 137 lbs.; and 3 - he usually preferred running on the far outside which meant he had to cover more distance than horses running next to the rail. He won most of his races on a combination of raw power and sheer determination. My dream matchup would be a match race between Forego and Secretariat at Belmont as 4 year olds with Forego having 4 good legs and no weight handicap. That would have been something to see.
It's good to see other's perspective on Top 10. For me it is a favorite 10. Round Table was my favorite. Raced 66 times and won 43 races. I think he would be a Top 10 candidate. Retired as all time money winning horse back when purses did not top $100,000. Going over those races and what they are worth now, he would be the all time money winning horse. So many great race horses. A lot of Number One's to choose from.
Thankyou..most folks have not heard of Round Table...Please people checkout his record ..Big Red never raced as far, so often , carried as much weight, ran on all types or surfaces...at the time all time money leader...and great Sire to boot and with" the Shoe" on borard.. com'on man
RT was the one that got me to fall in love with horseracing in 1959 watching him run his last race! He carried 130 + 25 times with a speed record 11 times with that weight up and only Armed is second to RT in that category with 5 records with 130 and up! thanks for your comment! I also believe RT should be in top 10
Actually it was a ruptured suspensory ligament, which also is not a "pulled tendon".... the majority of horses that do that same injury nowadays never fully recover
Two very experienced American judges of thoroughbreds had some salient comments about Phar Lap after his Agua Caliente performance: Charles Whittingham thought Phar Lap superior to Man of War while Francis Dunne, who had seen more great horses than I've had hot dinners, claimed the horse was superior to BOTH Man of War and Secretariat.
SECRETARIAT-MAN O WAR-CITATION- PHAR LAP-KELSO-JOHN HENRY-SEATTLE SLEW-FOREGO-WHIRLAWAY-NATIVE DANCER-LT.STEVENS-CIGAR-DR.FAGER.NORTHER DANCER-REGRETS-AFFIRMED-WAR ADMIRAL AND HUNDRED MORE
What makes Secretariat the only indisputable greatest isn't necessarily his well documented career. It was the horse, his finishing at the Belmont with a free reign was Secretariat's will to know just how fast he could run.
My all time fav is Man o’ War, who was much more consistent than Secretariat in his wins. However, I believe that if Man o’ War met Secretariat when both were at their best, Secretariat would have won. But remember this: both horses lived 50 years apart. Both retired at 3, while the peak in the average racehorse’s career is 5. Anything could have happened in that time. Secretariat might have never gotten better, while Man o’ War did. Or vice versa. We will never know.
Not a bad list good ones there: #1 Correct is Ruffian (I love the Fillies & she was the best, she stacked up against Secretariat, NOT better but very close; only other one u did correctly was Man O'War high on list but I could talk about him for hours, just like my 2020 Super Bowl Champion Buccaneers !!!! TB12 for President in 2024.... Your major, unforgivable Mistakes were: no Seattle Slew OR Citation(last Triple Crown Winner before Secretariat [1948]....also I really believe Rachel Alexandra deserves to be either #9 or #10....AND Last mistake: American Pharoah Definitely around #7 or #8 for me, he has traces of Man'O'War blood & breeding...YES he does, Google it.....Pharoah Won Triple Crown + Breeders Cup Classic....lastly, let me lay out a CONFIRMED fact /stat : 1977 - Slew WINS Belmont, 1992 his Son A.P. Indy Wins Belmont, 2007 AP Indy's Daughter Wins Belmont(Rags-to Riches, first Philly in 102 years to WIN the Belmont Stakes & 1st Philly to Win race run 1 1/2 miles....Ironically, 1905 Winner was a Philly but NOT run at that distance, think it was either at: 1 1/4 or 1 1/8 or 1 3/16.....either way Seattle Slew still does NOT get credit he deserves, period....
anyone heard of a horse called makybe diva only horse ever to win 3 Melbourne cups and she did it in successive years 2003,2004,2005 no other horse has achieved this feat....
Come on that's nonsense. Trainers in this part of the world train horses DIFFERENTLY to Europe. Trainers here prefer to race their horses into fitness much more than endless amounts of slow work. Why is that difficult to grasp ? There are not that many races around for stayers and that is the primary reason you see them bob up in 7f and 8f races early in their preps. Some of the very good horses can win them too. They are racehorses not museum exhibits. Trainers don't run their horses in unsuitable races to get a low weight in the Melbourne Cup. That is nonsense. You should make yourself aware of the qualifying conditions of the Melbourne Cup. The TOP 24 horses IN THE WEIGHTS, who are either qualified (in previous year by winning or placing in a Group race at 2300m or beyond or run 4th or 5th in a Group race in which horses older than 3 could run, again at 2300m or beyond - horses who have qualified by running 4th or 5th rarely make the field as they don't get enough weight) or are exempt from the ballot having won one of the qualifying races, such as a Cox Plate, Sydney Cup, an Arc, Sheema Classic etc. Previous placed runs in the Caulfield and Melbourne Cup can also qualify you. There are 4 races which ensure its winners direct passage into the Melbourne Cup of that same year. The winners of the Lexus Stakes, run 3 days before the Cup (Example: Signoff earned a spot in the 2014 Melbourne Cup by winning the 2014 Lexus Stakes. He was weighted 6.5kg under WFA (51.5kg) after receiving a 1kg penalty for his win on the Saturday, but was automatically elevated into the race. He finished fourth) as well as the Caulfield Cup, the Cox Plate and as of 2015, The Bart Cummings (a 2500m Group 3 race run in early October) receive a ‘free pass’ to the Melbourne Cup. They are automatically included at the top of the ballot order, regardless of what weight they have already been allotted. The 2500m Bart Cummings was the race last year's Cup winner Almandin WON to qualify. Had Alamndin not won it's very likely he would have missed out on a Melbourne Cup start, unless he won the Lexus Stks (but he would have also received a weight penalty) or somehow qualified to run in the Caulfield Cup and won it (again receiving a weight penalty) or placed and sneaking in as one of the top 24 weighted horses who were qualified. The truth is it's very hard to qualify AND have a light weight unless you WIN one of the qualifying races that exempts you from the ballot. If you win one of the qualifying races you deserve to be in the final 24 horse field
Yes it is nonsense. Our stayers are trained differently. They are in shorter races to keep them sharp so they retain a turn of foot. We have lots of horses who perform over a variety of distances. Some of the more notable ones in the last 30 - 40 years include Kingston Town, Red Anchor, More Joyous, Saintly, Makybe Diva, Winx Sunline, Northerly, Better Loosen Up etc etc. Look at Mahogany......he won Australia's 2 biggest Derbies by big margins and he won Australia's premier 5f Grp1 sprint TWICE. You reckon he cheapened that race ? He was also a narrow 2nd in a Cox Plate to a champion 3yo who was getting 20lbs off him at WFA. Look At Shaftesbury Avenue. He won Australia's premier 5f Grp1, Australia's premier 6f Gro1 handicap as well as Grp1's at 8f, 10f and was runner up in a Japan Cup at 12f. You never see it because your trainers are far too preoccupied with maintaining a winning streak at a set distance, usually beating the same horses, so they can then be hailed at stud. Our trainers are more in the business of winning races. BOTH are perfectly satisfactory options. Many of your very good horses don't even race on past their 3yo year. How do we even know if the best bloodlines are being carried on from stallions who only raced up until 3yo ? They simply may have been more precocious than there opposition at that age. Others may turn out to be much better as older horses. Please, don't ever talk about throwing horses into races with no chance. You have pacemakers orchestrating all your Grp1 races. Our Grp1 horses do their own work. They are now 'towed' into their races by their pacemaker. That's why it's harder to maintain such a big unbeaten run. When we do get a horse with a big winning streak that includes many Grp1's it's time to sit up and take notice.You have stablemates deliberately avoiding each other so one doesn't beat the other. And I said "slow work" not "slow runs". Runs = races. Work = training.
I'm TELLING you Kingston Town would have destroyed any horse over there from 6f - 12f. That I am as certain of as I can be. The track is not meant to be challenging. The track is meant to be fair. The opposition horses are the challenge first and foremost, followed by the distance and much less ground conditions Should have nothing to do with the track configuration. A 1200m race should feel like a 1200m race. not a 1400m - 1600m race because it's up the side of a hill. That's why we have races over varying distances. Class horses can win over a range of distances. The late great Colin Hayes trained Jeune to win a 7f Grp1 C F Orr Stks 1st up in his autumn campaign after he won a Melbourne Cup at 2 miles. He did the same thing with At Talaq. Now that's a training feat. Bart Cummings did it with Saintly a well. He was a Melbourne Cup winner and a Cox Plate winner. That's what separates class horses/trainers from the rest. You can keep mentioning trainers cheating to get a winnable weight in a Melbourne Cup but 160 years of history suggests you are the deluded one. Prove it. Surely you can give me 5 or 10 horses out of 160 where their trainer "cheated" so as to give them a winnable weight. I've already explained the conditions of getting into the race. The HIGHEST weighted runners get in !!!! So to manoeuvre your runner to get into a Melbourne Cup with a low weight is fraught with danger and smacks of arrogance. You could count on 1 hand the amount of trainers who KNEW they had the winner of a Melbourne Cup before it actually happened
"The Irish Champion Stakes, which has been frequently rated in the top 5 world best turf races each year (including last year as The best top rated turf race- or laughably jointed best turf horse to Cox Plate - a fucking political decision and no more when you look at ratings and the amount of Group 1 winners or lack thereof) is up there." lol political decision ? On what count ? It was rated that way as there was a superstar in it. One that is superior to EVERY European middle distance horse !!"As for other Europe trainers........go read the resume of both Aidan O'Brien and Sir Michael Stoute and their performances on the world stage from the US, to Dubai, to Japan, and recently Australia ". Of course European trainers travel their horses. It costs money to train them and the money available in Europe is ordinary at best."Racing is not for the chumps with more money than sense in Europe! The real money is made in the stud. No wonder it is European based owners that are dominating the breeding Industry." Are you kidding me. LESS than 1% of every horse that is bred goes onto become a commercially viable stallion. LESS than 1% !!!! There must be a lot of broke arse breeders/owners in Europe. Oh wait, there's fuck all owners that were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth. What a shit industry. Dominated by a few. Ours in vibrant with mass participation, mainstream media coverage, more horses, more races, more racetracks, more stakemoney. Our stakemoney is THE reason we have mass participation, including this little black duck. Imagine going to the yearling sales knowing that you have a LESS than 1% chance of buying a horse who is going to go on and become a commercially viable stallion. No thanks.
"granted, his trainer is brutal, just flogs his horses in handicaps at 2 years, gives them no time to grow and develop". He's now grown, mature and developed. Probably why we are seeing the best of him but we'll overlook that right. Minding was winning fillies races, not open class Grp1's. There's a massive difference. Next thing you'll be telling me Zenyatta was a better horse at her distances than what Black Caviar was at hers. Why do you think Highland Reel flopped in the ICS ? Probably the same reason he flopped in the Sheema Classic. Safe to say he needs good or firm ground to show his best. He's adept at both 10f and 12f when he gets good or firm ground and let's face it, many horses are in that same boat. He got those conditions in the Cox Plate. He also got a fast pace (track and race record), which surely helps a horse who's just as good at 12f over horses who don't get 12f. So he had everything to suit that day and Winx handed him his arse to the tune of 6l. Now Highland Reel didn't run badly as he still ran 3rd. It's just that Winx is clearly a superior animal. If that wasn't enough she won the Doncaster and then the Cox Plate the following year by even further and has put together a streak of 17 straight wins over a range of distances.. When a horse does that believe me you sit up and take notice. Yankee Rose is only lightly raced. Already a Grp1 winner at 2yo and 3yo and a Cox Plate placegetter as a 3yo filly. Surround was the last 3yo filly to win that race and that was in 1976. The Oaks was a bridge too far at 12.5f. She's bred to be a miler. Her sire was a Grp1 mile winner. So it's fair to say she's in the mould of a Sunline, More Joyous and even Winx. Milers who can get 10f. Of course she still has much to do to get to the level of those horses. She's been given time after her tough spring campaign so that should stand her in good stead. The peak performance of Winx pushed up the rating of the Cox Plate.
Good job!! I have always nudged Secretariat just a bit ahead of Man O War but always felt guilty and like i was just missing something. Its a real close call so i salute for making a call.Great video thanks.
@@davidrosado9642 no, it doesn't. Lets take Man O'War and secretariat. Times don't mean anything because of the technology, tracks became faster, so times improved, Secretariat had lightweight aluminium shoes while Man O'War had steel one, that made him a lot slower, plus he was ALWAYS carrying a lot more weight that Secretariat ever, sometimes more than his jockey. So of course his times would not have been as good as Secretariats. And Man O'War has won a race by 100 length.
The whole is predicated upon comparisons via the handicapping and weight for age scales. Times are irrelevant but the level of domination as a product of the quality of opposition is a useful means of comparison. Not an exact science but ratings can be a useful measure for horses of the modern era.
what a load of shite wheres frankel, black caviar, kauto star, denman, red rum, desert orchid, arkle, istabrac, dubawi, see the stars, hurricane fly, big bucks
TBH it could always be a non stop list as there's new stars every season and certain horses don't get the full recognition because they aren't given time to prove or show there full potential
@@missyb9438 Angi's comment is correct...mother was a NZer too.....BUT he never raced or registered to race in NZ so the recognition and fame all came from Australian racing. Given the sire was English would mean the Pommies have as much claim.
She was so beautiful, elegant really. Damn pigeon! There are so many in NY, it is insane. I would have freaked too if one landed on my nose! Unfortunately, she broke her leg, God, I am crying. She tried to run after the surgery. It was her last memory before they anesthetized her. After that she did more damage and sadly she was euthanized. RIP Beautiful Girl.
Where is Seattle Slew ?? has to be one of the top 3 horses of all time. Slew was a beast and came into the first leg of the Triple Crown, at the Kentucky Derby, and was undefeated, and won his next 3 races, Kentucky Derby, Preakness, and the Belmont. Slew had great character and great heart to win. Also you have Affirmed on this list, and he was a Triple Crown winner, but Slew beat him 2 times, and quite easily. When Slew beat Affimed his time was only 2/5ths of a second, off the great Secretariat's winning time for the same distance that Secretariat ran at the Derby. Slew is a Top 3 horse of all time, and if he would have raced Secretariat, I would bet he'd win at least one of the races between the Kentucky Derby, or Preakness, and both horses would have been neck and neck at the finish line. In the Belmont, I don't believe Slew would have been able to keep up with Secretariat, as that was a longer distance, and Secretariat's heart weighed 22 lbs, and that gave him a big advantage, to pump a lot of blood. Average weight is 12-14 ponds. No matter what Seattle Slew was a great one, and should be in the Top 3 on this list, as that horse had game. He would even prance for the fans before a race.
Won 18 of 19 races against other fillies and mares... she’s not in a top 50 conversation. It’s a shame that this video doesn’t include this big place that’s not in America called THE REST OF THE WORLD
@@bgardiner3354 Americans, generallly, have a tendency to only be concerned about what is going on in their own back yards. And on a per capita of population basis their support of horse racing is not up there with several other nations.
I think Sham is no Top 10 Horse, Top 100 at most. There were so many horses that were better than Sham, For example: Seattle Slew , Affirmed, Nijinsky, NATIVE DANCER, Seabird, Brigadier Gerard, Ribot, Exterminator,... And I think that Man o' War is 1st place with Secretariat 2nd. But that's a matter of opinion.
I certainly agree with your top two. Putting War Admiral in but not Seattle Slew or Citation I think is flawed. I still like your list because Secretariat is number one. That’s the key!
There are 3 male descendant lines that almost all great racehorses around the world: Nearco, Native Dancer and Princequillo. The truly fastest hores in histrory have seep (Nearco) and endurance (Princepuillo with the oversized hearts). Secretariat, Seattle Slew, AP Indy, Sham, Zenyatta, California Chrome, Cigar, Winx, American Pharoah and Makybe Diva are just an examples). Some have all 3. Native dancer especially with Nearco accounts for almost all derby triple crown winners since the 80's. Native Dancer also comes with a curse for weak leg runners. Ruffian, Eight Belles, Barbaro and Pine Island are all descendants of Native Dancer's curse.
@@baq8680 whats so funny? Seattle Slew is the inly horse in 118 years to win the Triple Crown undefeated at the time he won it. Seattle Slew is also the only Triple Crown winner in history to beat another Triple Crown winner twice. Not so funny now is it?
I appreciate your effort, but to leave out Citation and Zenyatta makes the numbers 2-10 hard to deal with. However, you definitely got number one correct!
I love your choices and the music and pics. But I would have to add the great Seattle Slew in that mix, the ugly duckling that grew in a swan with afterburners. Great video though!
Hi Guys!! I'm getting all sorts of contradicting comments on this video. I am currently a huge fan of global horse racing from India, however I made this video 9 years ago when I was 11 years old so even I don't agree with what I have put up there anymore and most of it is Wikipedia information, but in saying this everyone would have their own opinions if I made a video now aswell :) but it is very interesting reading about everyone else's favourites and the debates from racing fans. I was going to delete this video, but it's memories and I love that some random video I made as an 11 year old has so many views
+Piers Nye Ummm Phar Lap was NOT American LOL, he was an Australian horse bred in New Zealand. That's why he was called "The Red Terror From Down Under".
Sea Bird, Ribot, Nyjinsky, Sea the Stars, Frankel, Gallileo......all from Europe......phenomenal horses and not one of them listed here......typical American bias shown in this clip
@@gordonhamilton727 Phar Lap was not an America race horse, but yes, this is American bias. They don't even have the American racehorses correct. Man O War is always #1, never Secretariat, who lost too many races. The true top 10 would obviously include other great racehorses besides Phar Lap, from other countries. This list is a farce. Even the Americans have their horses listed incorrectly. Seabiscuit, really, as number 3? Where is the American racehorse Citation? Much better than Seabiscuit. These idiots don't even know American thoroughbreds, you can't expect them to know other nations great racehorses.
@@kimkearney5419 I'm afraid it's the same in England, The rating agency Timeform is a joke, horses like Lammtarra never got the rating they were due, purely based on the distance they won by. Given a rating of 130, this English Derby (set the course record), King George, and Prix du d'arc winner was way better than Shergar, and Celtic Swing who were given 140 and 138 respectively. Each point represents one and a third lengths to a mile and a half classic horse. This would mean Shergar would have beaten Lammtarra by 13 lengths.....despite winning his Derby in 1981, over 12 seconds slower than Lammtarra,s on the same going.....its not just an American thing.
Kingston Town. "The King" won over all distances, his acceleration under pressure had to be seen to be believed. I saw Kingston Town and Black Caviar race and I would have to rate "The King" as superior.
Kingston Town was undoubtedly a champion. I remember him when I was a boy. So versatile too. Black Caviar was a specialist sprinter and untouchable at the sprint trips. Both stars
Secretariat was a freak of nature in a positive way. Muscle mass was impressive. His heart was over 2 1/2 times larger than an average horse which means great stamina. He raced against a great horse (Sham) which broke the Derby record behind Secretariat. To me this means Secretariat ran better against better competition. To me there were no horses going to beat him at the Belmont that day.
True "Sham" was a good and gutsy horse but saying that "Sham" would have been a Champion IF, it had not been for SECRETARIAT..us a little lie me saying that I would have won the Lottery IFONLY I had had the Right Numbers..!! You are right to put Big Red at Number One. Winning The Belmont Stakes by an incredible 31 lengths, in a time of just 2:24, proved to all that SECRETARIAT was and still is in a class of His Own..!!
This is a pretty good list. All these lists are so subjective anyway. Up to our personal preferences. Secretariat and the two other TC greats of the 70s up there with Man O War and Dr Fager and Spectacular Bid. Although not top 10, American Pharoah as a 21st century racer is up there around 15 to 25 probably.
That's right, where's Zenyatta, she's got to be #8 or #9 , no question...she reminds me in some ways of Ruffian, obviously totally different racing styles, Ruffian a front runner & Zenyatta a closer....problem would have been, when Zenyatta coming around Top of the stretch & out-racing everyone badly down the stretch, she's still 3-4 Lengths Behind Ruffian, but so wat ONLY 1 horse in Racing History ahead of Ruffian and thats Secretariat by a length, breaking another record.....The next 5 , 11-15 has to have: Rachel Alexandra, Risen Star, Lady's Secret, Genuine Risk & Silver Charm (1997)....wat about Serena's Song
Sham was good but Seattle Slew would have beat him in his prime by 4 or 5 lengths easy.......Seattle Slew beat Affirmed and you have him at #9 My top five #1 Secretariat #2 Man O'War #3 Sea Biscuit #4 War Admiral #5 Seattle Slew
Ok, I will agree that Sham was a great horse, born in the wrong year but lets not forget why his last race was the Belmont Stakes and he was retired afterwards. He would have broken the previous Preakness record and been very close to Northern Dancer’s Derby record but he broke down in the Belmont and finished last, a very long way off the record time.
excellent list, well ordered...and thank you, THANK YOU for including the magnificent PHAR LAP, of whom many Americans do not know, and whose name means "Gleam of Light".
Glad Phar Lap made the list of American Horses but Secritariat even though I'm an Australian has to be the Greatest what he did especially that Belmont Stakes Win in 73 was truly Amazing
Phar Lap's run in October / November 1930 where he won 5 group races in 2 weeks including 3 Group one's - one being the two mile Melbourne Cup carrying a massive 63 kg was amazing. Never to be repeated.
@@paulwilliams-or8hq Certainly was. But Phar Lap was excessively heavily weighted above his weight for age benchmark. When he was weighted 68kgs in the 1932 Melbourne Cup, only Carbine & Bernborough had been lofted with the same weight. Both did not run. Phar Lap led into the straight, before finishing 8th. The horse that won, carried just 43.54kg! Nowadays, they are weight 51-54kgs. Would be like Maykbe Diva carrying 78.5kgs. Phar Lap could have easily won the 1929-1931 Melbourne Cups, much suspicion in the 1929 3rd placing. Equal 1st Group 1 wins will Tulloch on 27. All achieved at his young age of 5 1/2. Best was yet to come. Secretariat was faster, but Phar Lap was used to heavy weights. Would have been a close, classic race. I'd back The Red Terror.
@@marknorris1381 Well said mate. Phar Lap would have won the 1929 Melbourne Cup as a 3yo, but was held back by the jockey, as he went for it into the straight. Much suspicion & punters lost £1milion pounds apparently. He won in 1930, carrying 62.5kgs. The 1931 Melbourne Cup, he carried 68kgs. Only Carbine had won with such a load, 66kgs in 1890. Phar Lap led into the straight before finishing 8th. The winner, White Nose carried just 43.5kgs. Phar Lap's correct weight for age should have been mid 50's. It'd be like Maykbe Diva carrying 78.5kgs. His Agua Caliente win in 1932, breaking the race record, 7 races held that day, after a massive boat trip & nearly lame from a split hoof, which bled during the race is astonishing. Came from last to 1st in the back section of the track, had a breather & when challenged by Reville Boy, he pulled away again to win. Phar Lap could not be left out of any greatest horse discussion. He was incredible.
I think Man O'War was the greatest of all. And he deserves his title as the Horse of the century. Yes Secretariat broke records on triple crown races, but circumstances allowed him to run faster. He wasn't carrying much of a weight and his shoes were light weight, while Man O'War has steel ones. You can't say one car is faster when its laptime is in clear weather while other car had a rainy day.
Of course the two Big Red's get placed as the best. I could list many more great horses that you've ignored in slot 1 through 8. But leaving out Citation, was pretty bad...
Oh my God! Have you ever heard about Kincsem the Hungarian Wonder? She had 54 races and never lost. Never! Read something about her in Wiki and make a new video! Good luck!
bad list.sham?seabiscuit?good horses but not top ten of all time.where is count fleet?triple crown winner and won his belmont by at least twenty five lengths.citation?won triple crown and in between preakness and belmont,won a two mile race.native dancer?forego?spectacular bid?
Seattle Slew is the only triple crown winner undefeated in USA and in 17 starts he won 14, with 2 seconds, one of these by a nose in one of best efforts ever showed by a thoroughbred. He defeated Affirmed 2 times. If a horse with this record is not in a top ten list, there´s something wrong with the list.
Greatest RACE horse of all time can't be a horse with only 21 starts! A true champion stands the test of time. In the modern era (after 1930) only one horse stands out and tha's KELSO! John Henry is a very close second only because of the lack of true handicap races since the 1980's. Kelso and John Henry have more wins than the whole list you show here and each has twice as many as your number 1. Excellence over time = greatness!!!!
Of course a list like this is fundamentally subjective, but I still don't know why you would include Sham. He finished last in the Belmont Stakes and had only 5 victories in 13 starts in his career. Sham also lost 5 races to horses not named Secretariat in races where Secretariat was not entered. I don't see why two excellent efforts in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, races which he lost, qualifies Sham as the 8th best horse of all time.
Thank you. I rooted for Sham in the triple crown races, but to this day don't know why he is treated as an all-time great. 5/13 is good but certainly not great and not a "sure triple crown winner" if Secretariat hadn't run. I also admire Seabiscuit, but most people only know him because of the very inaccurate movie. A very gritty, good horse, but nowhere near a top ten all-time horse. So very few people today know anything about horses prior to 1973 or from Europe, making their lists less than compelling. These videos would be much better I think if they were presented as, "these are my all-time top favorite horses."
Did you mean greatest American horses lol. Very incomplete list. Where was Pharlap?? Not only did he prove he could sprint like a demon, but he could stay too. Amazing! And he travelled across the world over rough seas by boat and proved it. Injured and all. Nothing like him.
+Listen Up Hey mate, spot on Pharlap was the greatest, but then we had Kingston town and now the mighty Winx who just loves to flog world class horses, as u know I had to leave quite a few out, list is to long
mike smith rode her brilliantly, never asking for more than he needed from her. if he'd asked for it all, I'm sure she'd blown away any racehorse during any era, with her ears pricked foward.
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yeah Frankel unparalleled. If you look at his Juddemonte win alone, and consider how easily he beat St Nicholas Abbey and Farhh, and what they achieved in their own rights (in America and in Europe), Frankel clearly stands alone as the greatest.
I do agree with Frankel being an outstanding horse and yes possibly the equivalent of others mentioned - not the original list - rather horses nominated by replyers. The problem with Frankel being claimed as the best of all time is that English racing is very different to other countries. The tracks are exceedingly different in surface (firm to slow conditions), pacemakers were used in most of his races, banned in Australia. This makes assessing his competitiveness on race times difficult. If he ran those times in Australian Group1 races he would have been beaten decisively. Only his 22 August 2012, International Stakes at York came close to an Australian track record. So to get an idea of the difficulty in race times comparison see Black Caviar. She wins over 6F/1200M in Adelaide in 1:10:32 and then next runs same distance at Ascot, England in 1:14:10 and not ridden out the last 50 metres. that's the equivalent of 18+ lengths difference. An unsolvable comparison.
+Cerrie Lang Black Caviar 15 group ones including one at Ascot, and undefeated. Would be hard to see anyone defeating Frankel too. Not completing discounting US horses (American Pharoah was a freak as one example) but with their use of Lasix and their depth in the fields as well as the tracks, its pretty hard to measure them up against the rest of the world. Especially if they don't travel. UK superstars generally race throughout Europe and at the Breeders Cup, Aus champion horses prepared to test themselves in Hong Kong and Ascot every year. Not many succeed but the ones who do make it pretty hard for critics to discount them as anything but champions- this is what American horses need to do.
+Christy Dolan Until then I'll remain conservatively skeptical about them. On another note, keep an eye out for an Aus mare named Winx, by Street Cry. She's a superstar here already. Won our premier WFA race by 5 lengths over Highland Reel, who won the Hong Kong Vase. Ridiculous turn of foot, she could be anything.
A very interesting list. I would differ in my opinion in many ways I'm sure. The Sham choice caught my eye. I've said many times that if Secretariat hadn't been there, Sham would have taken the Triple Crown. My top choice would be Kelso, because of his endurance and will to win, which I value more than anything. For that reason, Forego would also be quite high in my top 10. Secretariat sulked too often, it seemed. He had all the ability in the world, but seemed to stop trying if things weren't going his way. Difficult to say, because I loved him and missed much of his Belmont Stakes stretch run because I couldn't wipe the tears from my eyes quickly enough.
yes but isn't that like saying if affirmed hadn't have been in the races alydar would've won the triple crown let's not forget alydar finished 2nd to affirmed in all those races
Phar Lap was not an American bred horse! He was bred in New Zealand and raced in Australia! He was bought by an American and brought over to the states to race. Agreed, he was a wonderful race horse who didn't deserve his cruel and tragic end!
Obviously this is Limited to American Thoroughbreds.. As there's little doubt FRANKEL is the greatest race horse of all time... Followed by Sea Bird... and Ribot.. Secretariat was a phenomenal specimen.. but how can we hold him in higher regard than horses like Sea The Stars, winner of 6 Group 1 races over 6 months as a 3 year old..
Lee SOG,yes but frankel never carried 130 as a 2 yr. an 138 lbs. as a 3 yr. giving up to 32 lbs. to his rivals and still winning like MAN OF WAR!Man of War carried 130lbs.in 6 races as a 2 year old and 138 as a 3 year old and still won going away,conceding as much as 32 pounds (15 kg) to other horses.i like Secretartiat but if you had put 130 plus on him he would have shit himself JUST LIKE FRANKEL WOULD HAVE!
joeupyours Tinsley Interesting. I suppose we'll never know.. and they are mighty impressive stats, so you think no horse since Man O War would have lived with him?
+Lee SOG I agree frankels the best ive seen, and I flew from Australia in 2012 to watch him at ascot and goodwood,and black caviar the greatest sprinter I have ever seen, won on the saturdayat ascot, but I feel in her career,she was protected,stiill 25 wins undefeated.
+nick hobart How was Black Caviar protected ? She raced on straight tracks, turning tracks, left handed, right handed, on almost every major track in Aust. She travelled half way round the world to race at Royal Ascot. She started 25 times, 15 of them in Grp1 races. She own's the FASTEST and 2 of the 3 fastest times at Australia's premier track. She beat close to 50 individual Grp1 winners. Twice she was injured in races yet she still prevailed. She holds the weight carrying record for a mare in Australia's oldest Grp1 sprint race. For all that she ended her career without a single horse beating her. 25 wins from 25 starts incl an Australasian record 15 Grp1 wins.
+AnotherFastnet70 maybe I used the wrong phase,im not knocking her,as I said above shes the best spinter ive seen, maybe I should have said well placed,and that is the trainers job.
Dr. Fage is the only horse to win 4 separate divisions of 'Horse Of The Year' in one season, 1968, when he averaged carrying 134 lbs per race and won the Sprint Championship (Winning the 7 furlong Vosburgh in 120.1 while carrying 139 lbs. He defeated the top grass horses in an international field, on a wet grass carrying 134 lbs, which is a surface he had never run on before. In addition he 'of course' won handicap horse of the year as well as overall horse of the year. Secretariat couldn't win on grass, nor was he able to beat a $15,000 'claimer' named Onion, or a $40,000 allowance horse named Prove Out. When he won The Belmont the field had only one quality opponent named Sham, who he defeated by an average of only two lengths in the 'Derby' and 'Preakness'. It's never mentioned that Sham broke down during the running of the Belmont and his trainer attributed it to the concrete hard surface that Penny Tweedy pressured officials to institute in order to maximize running time. She actually got the officials at The Preakness to change the final time which is an outrage. Michael Venezia, a regular rider in NY, told me that Secretariat's time of 2.24 is a joke because of the track condition. When he ran at Arlington Park. carrying 126 lbs, he was defeated by Prove out while his finishing time was 135.2 for the mile. Dr. Fager carried 134 lbs at Arlington and won his mile race in 132.1, even though he was eased up at the end of his 10 length victory. That's 16 lengths faster than Secretariat and was a World Record. Had Secretariat run against Dr. Fager in a match race he would have been defeated by Dr. Fager. Secretariat even lost to his stable mate Riva Ridge in a race just prior to the Derby. He also was defeated by Fort Marcy in a distance race on grass, and was also beaten at 6 furlongs in the first race of his career. How people can make so much about one race, on a surface that was not normal due to its being packed down like hard concrete, is beyond obscene. Truly great horses can be beaten....but not by $15,000 claiming, or $40,000 allowance horses. Examine all the truly great horses and see that if they lost an occasional race, it was against top competition, and not 'repeatedly' by 'stiffs'.
No horse, that ever lived ,would have beaten Secretariat when he ran the Belmont ! Over 2,000,000 horses have been born since then ,and no horse has come close ! NO horse.
Bravo!
He was a true once in a lifetime amazing freak of nature
Stu Stewart beat them in fantastic style. So happens they were the same horses he had been beating over and over again. Straight 3yos. It is kind of like the New England patriots playing Cleveland Browns every time they play. A great horse absolutely. The greatest? Not in my opinion. How about Kelso? Horse of the year 5 years in a row. That is more impressive than beating the same ole horses you beat numerous times before, even if it were by 31 lengths.
No horse that has ever lived would have beaten Arkle in the 1965 Gold Cup at Sandown. He smashed the course record by 17 seconds....a record that still stands 54 years on....a record that will Never be broken; because the horse that beats the time......will not be carrying within half a stone of what Arkle carried.
I think Man o' War had a chance to break the record on better tracks. 🐴🤣
Carbine. He probably appears in the pedigree of most if not all of these horses. Dragged the grandstand (66kg/145lbs) to victory over 38 other competitors in 1890 Melbourne Cup, setting a new record, and carrying 24kg/53lbs more than the second placed horse. Outstanding race record. 43 starts for 33 wins, 6 seconds, 3 thirds. Unplaced once due to injury.
Worth looking up. He was truly great.
Absolute freak of nature. Won races on the same day numerous times. Won from 5f to 3m also.
Not only that, was the sire of sires.
Phar Lap is held in such high regard in Australia that he became part of the common vernacular. When someone shows great tenacity we say " he/she had a heart as big as Phar Lap".
Phar lap was a hero of Australian culture, an enlarged heart, much like secretariat and a beautiful beast of a horse,
Phar Lap at No. 5 is low. He was awesome. 27 Group 1 wins, equal 1st. Agua Caliente win, 1932, 1st time on dirt, split hoof, 7 races held that day, track record. Only 5 1/2yo. Excessively weighted during his career. Incredible.
Agreed. He shldve bn in the top 3 somewhere
no
I rank him in the top 3 but he was addicted to pain medicine. Not mixing the pain concoction correctly killed him.
4 wins in group races over 8 days in November 1930 from 8 furlongs to the two mile Melbourne Cup. Unheard of. Like to see the horses above him in this list do that. Wouldn't be able to.
@@marknorris1381 true
As if there could be any other horse at #1! The greatest that ever lived, ranked #35 of Sports Illustrateds top 50 athletes of the 20th century, Secretariat the only non human in that list. Those track records he set that still stand to this day and probably always will, because there was and only ever will be 1 Secretariat! RIP Big Red you were amazing, and we still celebrate you almost 50 years after your greatest victory❤️😘🙏🏻🌹
Where's Secretariat's get?
Only because he was an American. Nothing else counts.
Spectacular Bid ran fastest 1 1/4 race in history. Still holds world record of 157 4/5. Faster than Secretariat.
@@nickgrant8537 im referring to Triple Crown races, he still holds the record in all of them
A nice tribute to 10 great horses but you can't have a top 10 list without Citation, Northern Dancer or Seattle Slew.
Sorry, but any 10 best list without Seattle Slew is flawed. He was a freak of nature and a truly GREAT racehorse. The only horse to win the Triple Crown undefeated and almost died over the winter right after of a blood infection, then comes back as a 4 year old and wins the Marlboro Cup in just 2/5s of a second over the world record set by Secretariat. He beat Affirmed in that race by 3 lengths who happens to be on this list. Why? I have no idea. Affirmed doesn't belong in a top 10 list. Slew's Jockey Club Gold Cup (2nd by a nose) is one of the greatest performances ever. I guess I can rest my case....
Agreed. And where was Pharlap and some of the other international horses??
I guess it's a persons personal list. Hey, even the official list isn't the beginning and the end. We all have our favorite GREATEST horses & 10 or 20 entries just isn't enough for most of our choices.
Phar Lap was #5 on the list
Lists like this are totally subjective. So is your claim that the list is flawed because it excludes Slew. Every horse has their pluses and minuses. Slew's negatives include the fact that he was a fragile horse whose resume was thin. He only won 14 races running at age 2, 3, and 4. Citation won 19 races as 3 year old alone. In his only race after the Triple Crown, Slew got crushed by J.O. Tobin and then they rested him for the remainder of the season. Running a rigorous schedule, which would have him run continuously for many months after the TC, was too much for Slew. He couldn't take it. However that was certainly not the case for horses like Round Table, Citation, Buckpasser, or Damascus who ran races constantly and relentlessly. Slew only won two Grade 1 races after his triple crown campaign and those occurred at the age 4.
In an era where Forego was winning races carrying huge weight, Slew's connections avoided running him in races where he might be assigned big weight as if it was the plague. The only time he carried over 130 pounds was in the Grade 3 Stuyvesant where he raced against a bunch of nobodies. Slew's victory in the Marlboro Cup in the time of 1:45.8 was certainly a fine performance, but he only carried 128 pounds. Two years earlier on the same track, Forego also won in the time of 1:45.8, but he was carrying 135 pounds. Sure Slew's 2:00 for 1 1/4 miles on a fast track, carrying 126 pounds, was a good performance. However, Forego ran the same time, two years earlier, on the same track, but he was carrying 137 pounds in the slop. When you compare Slew's achievements to those of other horses, there is nothing that conclusively shows that he belongs on a top 10 list or that horses like Citation, Forego, Native Dancer, Count Fleet, Damascus, Buckpasser, Spectacular Bid, Bold Ruler, Swaps etc. etc. do not.
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Love all of these amazing horses. Thank you! Seeing Sham and Ruffian on here with Big Red made me smile wide.
Same, seeing Sham honored doesn’t happen enough. He and Red carried on that mighty Princequillo blood well.
Yes Secretariat was a great racehorse, but there was one to which no one seems to know / remember. My dear friend Citation born the 9 evil in April 1945 at 9.30. He won almost all the races he ran for and won the Kentucky Derby. He also won the Triple Crown. He ran over his career ran into over $ 1 million and then finished his journey through an amazing life died the 8 respondent in August 1970. He was then 25 years. He is a rock Raven on Calumet Farms in Lexington, Kentucky, USA.
In Kentucky Derby and Preakness, he still holds the record, coming from the back of the field to win and set the record. Imagine he was not held back, the record would be even greater!
So glad you mentioned Phar Lap and Affirmed ! Yes, Sham was a great horse; just not up against God's Horse Secretariat. No one has ever beaten his Belmont time and more than likely no one will or if they should be able to they won't win it by 31+ lengths. Affirmed and Big Red (Secretariat) were such beautiful reds. I do think Zenyatta should also be on this list! She was 17.1 hands high and won races! Biggest horse I raced was a Quarter Horse/Appaloosa that was 17.4 hands high and he weighed 1,800 pounds when I got the job of helping him to get weight off. His girth was insane and the only reason I got to be the one to ride him daily is that I was a gymnast and could have my legs that far apart with killing me and ironically I rode him side saddle sometime because my legs did get tired. NO, he wasn't a racehorse like a pro...but that boy could run like the wind once I got his weight down he could outrun any of the horses at the ranch/lodge or any other takers in the area!
Sham is the 2nd greatest hé would hold the records and the triple crown if secretariat didn’t exist, no one horse in history would be as close to secretariat as sham was, not citation, not man o war, not any modern day triple crown winner
@@Yoyoiooui He was a great horse, but sadly for him and his owners and handlers, Secretariat did live and blew all the competitors away at the Belmont. I didn't track Sham's foals, did you and are there any of them alive today? I love the sport of racing and the horse are just regal. I think my loyalty and love for Secretariat is so strong because I watched him race with my dad who was dying. He lived long enough to see the Belmont; but that would be one of the last things were I got to be mostly alone and screaming at the top of our lungs when Secretariat was coming down the track just flying (my 6 brothers never watched racing) with my dad before his multiple times going into the hospital. He would later die from lymphoma cancer. What is the reason you love/loved Sham?
my sisters thoroughbred is secretariats great grandson
Native Dancer NEVER had a bad day on the track, he had a bad ride once and lost the Derby because of it, but what if he had won that race and gone 21/21 Triple Crown and all? What would we be saying about him then? The best ever? Maybe!
No Secretariat has put up a record that has still no beaten for 40 years maybe even more. He won by 31 lengths 31 that is just crazy
Sham was also a grandson of prince Quillo. He also had the big heart gene. That was why he was the only horse who could come close to secretariat.
Thank you for adding Sham. He like Alydar was truly a great horse and born in the wrong year.
I like Phar Lap in the top ten. Check out Citation and Cigar. A true great produces greats...
The mighty Forego - did any other horse ever consistently win while carrying as much weight? He was phenomenal. Don't remember seeing Citation on here - won the Jersey Stakes in between running the Preakness and Belmont. What horse today could do that? And Count Fleet did the same thing, winning the Withers, and then winning the Belmont by 25 lengths, and he may have raced the Derby and Belmont while injured.
Forego...when he beat Honest Pleasure in the Marlborough...omg, one of the greatest moments in thoroughbred racing.
There are 3 factors that make Forego's accomplishments extra special: 1- he had 3 bad legs for a good portion of his career which required constant hosing to reduce inflammation; 2 - he often carried very high weights as much as 137 lbs.; and 3 - he usually preferred running on the far outside which meant he had to cover more distance than horses running next to the rail. He won most of his races on a combination of raw power and sheer determination. My dream matchup would be a match race between Forego and Secretariat at Belmont as 4 year olds with Forego having 4 good legs and no weight handicap. That would have been something to see.
@@waynespaeth9061 Secretariat beat Forego in the 1973 Kentcky Derby
@@waynespaeth9061 Forego raced Secretariat in the Kentucky Derby in '73 and was a well beaten fourth.
Forego with over 126lbs can beat almost any horse in a 1 1/2 to 2 12 mile race.
It's good to see other's perspective on Top 10. For me it is a favorite
10. Round Table was my favorite. Raced 66 times and won 43 races.
I think he would be a Top 10 candidate. Retired as all time money winning
horse back when purses did not top $100,000. Going over those races
and what they are worth now, he would be the all time money winning horse.
So many great race horses. A lot of Number One's to choose from.
Thankyou..most folks have not heard of Round Table...Please people checkout his record ..Big Red never raced as far, so often , carried as much weight, ran on all types or surfaces...at the time all time money leader...and great Sire to boot and with" the Shoe" on borard.. com'on man
RT was the one that got me to fall in love with horseracing in 1959 watching him run his last race! He carried 130 + 25 times with a speed record 11 times with that weight up and only Armed is second to RT in that category with 5 records with 130 and up! thanks for your comment! I also believe RT should be in top 10
Sea Biscuit did not “almost break a leg” - he pulled a tendon: Be honest.
Actually it was a ruptured suspensory ligament, which also is not a "pulled tendon".... the majority of horses that do that same injury nowadays never fully recover
Two very experienced American judges of thoroughbreds had some salient comments about Phar Lap after his Agua Caliente performance: Charles Whittingham thought Phar Lap superior to Man of War while Francis Dunne, who had seen more great horses than I've had hot dinners, claimed the horse was superior to BOTH Man of War and Secretariat.
SECRETARIAT-MAN O WAR-CITATION- PHAR LAP-KELSO-JOHN HENRY-SEATTLE SLEW-FOREGO-WHIRLAWAY-NATIVE DANCER-LT.STEVENS-CIGAR-DR.FAGER.NORTHER DANCER-REGRETS-AFFIRMED-WAR ADMIRAL AND HUNDRED MORE
Seabiscuit was one sound horse....raced over 40 times a year....try that today
Look up Phar lap he race every second day not much breaks at all back in them days they never had breaks but U must today
back then the highest purses for TOP THOROUGHBREDS might have been $20,000 - $25,000 so they raced as much as possible
Seabiscuit's the type of horse I like.
@@marknorris1381 🥰❤🐎
Ribot ?
Around ten,maybe.But what a horse.Saw the two Arc de Triomphe Ribot won on video.Fabulous horse!
YES SECETARIAT LIKE IF U LOVE HIM AND WISH HE WOULD COME BACK TO US!!!!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️
Secretariat is my absolute favorite. Not just because of his speed and outrageous beauty, the horse really had personality to boot:)
The king had a bad leg all his life best thoroughbred ive seen, and best pacer my late dads great mate jack miles had it the mighty mount eden
This winx is something though she would have won the cup better horse than rekindling
Didn't stanley dancer say the great mount was best horse he ever drove when it went to America sadly it broke down
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What makes Secretariat the only indisputable greatest isn't necessarily his well documented career. It was the horse, his finishing at the Belmont with a free reign was Secretariat's will to know just how fast he could run.
Top three Racing horses of all times,man O War,kelso,seattle slew.
My all time fav is Man o’ War, who was much more consistent than Secretariat in his wins. However, I believe that if Man o’ War met Secretariat when both were at their best, Secretariat would have won. But remember this: both horses lived 50 years apart. Both retired at 3, while the peak in the average racehorse’s career is 5. Anything could have happened in that time. Secretariat might have never gotten better, while Man o’ War did. Or vice versa. We will never know.
Where is Seattle Slew... He wasn't pretty but nobody can catch this speed demon.
I was wondering where was Citation also.
Not a bad list good ones there: #1 Correct is Ruffian (I love the Fillies & she was the best, she stacked up against Secretariat, NOT better but very close; only other one u did correctly was Man O'War high on list but I could talk about him for hours, just like my 2020 Super Bowl Champion Buccaneers !!!! TB12 for President in 2024.... Your major, unforgivable Mistakes were: no Seattle Slew OR Citation(last Triple Crown Winner before Secretariat [1948]....also I really believe Rachel Alexandra deserves to be either #9 or #10....AND Last mistake: American Pharoah Definitely around #7 or #8 for me, he has traces of Man'O'War blood & breeding...YES he does, Google it.....Pharoah Won Triple Crown + Breeders Cup Classic....lastly, let me lay out a CONFIRMED fact /stat : 1977 - Slew WINS Belmont, 1992 his Son A.P. Indy Wins Belmont, 2007 AP Indy's Daughter Wins Belmont(Rags-to Riches, first Philly in 102 years to WIN the Belmont Stakes & 1st Philly to Win race run 1 1/2 miles....Ironically, 1905 Winner was a Philly but NOT run at that distance, think it was either at: 1 1/4 or 1 1/8 or 1 3/16.....either way Seattle Slew still does NOT get credit he deserves, period....
anyone heard of a horse called makybe diva only horse ever to win 3 Melbourne cups and she did it in successive years 2003,2004,2005 no other horse has achieved this feat....
Come on that's nonsense. Trainers in this part of the world train horses DIFFERENTLY to Europe. Trainers here prefer to race their horses into fitness much more than endless amounts of slow work. Why is that difficult to grasp ? There are not that many races around for stayers and that is the primary reason you see them bob up in 7f and 8f races early in their preps. Some of the very good horses can win them too. They are racehorses not museum exhibits. Trainers don't run their horses in unsuitable races to get a low weight in the Melbourne Cup. That is nonsense. You should make yourself aware of the qualifying conditions of the Melbourne Cup. The TOP 24 horses IN THE WEIGHTS, who are either qualified (in previous year by winning or placing in a Group race at 2300m or beyond or run 4th or 5th in a Group race in which horses older than 3 could run, again at 2300m or beyond - horses who have qualified by running 4th or 5th rarely make the field as they don't get enough weight) or are exempt from the ballot having won one of the qualifying races, such as a Cox Plate, Sydney Cup, an Arc, Sheema Classic etc. Previous placed runs in the Caulfield and Melbourne Cup can also qualify you. There are 4 races which ensure its winners direct passage into the Melbourne Cup of that same year. The winners of the Lexus Stakes, run 3 days before the Cup (Example: Signoff earned a spot in the 2014 Melbourne Cup by winning the 2014 Lexus Stakes. He was weighted 6.5kg under WFA (51.5kg) after receiving a 1kg penalty for his win on the Saturday, but was automatically elevated into the race. He finished fourth) as well as the Caulfield Cup, the Cox Plate and as of 2015, The Bart Cummings (a 2500m Group 3 race run in early October) receive a ‘free pass’ to the Melbourne Cup. They are automatically included at the top of the ballot order, regardless of what weight they have already been allotted. The 2500m Bart Cummings was the race last year's Cup winner Almandin WON to qualify. Had Alamndin not won it's very likely he would have missed out on a Melbourne Cup start, unless he won the Lexus Stks (but he would have also received a weight penalty) or somehow qualified to run in the Caulfield Cup and won it (again receiving a weight penalty) or placed and sneaking in as one of the top 24 weighted horses who were qualified. The truth is it's very hard to qualify AND have a light weight unless you WIN one of the qualifying races that exempts you from the ballot. If you win one of the qualifying races you deserve to be in the final 24 horse field
Yes it is nonsense. Our stayers are trained differently. They are in shorter races to keep them sharp so they retain a turn of foot. We have lots of horses who perform over a variety of distances. Some of the more notable ones in the last 30 - 40 years include Kingston Town, Red Anchor, More Joyous, Saintly, Makybe Diva, Winx Sunline, Northerly, Better Loosen Up etc etc. Look at Mahogany......he won Australia's 2 biggest Derbies by big margins and he won Australia's premier 5f Grp1 sprint TWICE. You reckon he cheapened that race ? He was also a narrow 2nd in a Cox Plate to a champion 3yo who was getting 20lbs off him at WFA. Look At Shaftesbury Avenue. He won Australia's premier 5f Grp1, Australia's premier 6f Gro1 handicap as well as Grp1's at 8f, 10f and was runner up in a Japan Cup at 12f. You never see it because your trainers are far too preoccupied with maintaining a winning streak at a set distance, usually beating the same horses, so they can then be hailed at stud. Our trainers are more in the business of winning races. BOTH are perfectly satisfactory options. Many of your very good horses don't even race on past their 3yo year. How do we even know if the best bloodlines are being carried on from stallions who only raced up until 3yo ? They simply may have been more precocious than there opposition at that age. Others may turn out to be much better as older horses. Please, don't ever talk about throwing horses into races with no chance. You have pacemakers orchestrating all your Grp1 races. Our Grp1 horses do their own work. They are now 'towed' into their races by their pacemaker. That's why it's harder to maintain such a big unbeaten run. When we do get a horse with a big winning streak that includes many Grp1's it's time to sit up and take notice.You have stablemates deliberately avoiding each other so one doesn't beat the other. And I said "slow work" not "slow runs". Runs = races. Work = training.
I'm TELLING you Kingston Town would have destroyed any horse over there from 6f - 12f. That I am as certain of as I can be. The track is not meant to be challenging. The track is meant to be fair. The opposition horses are the challenge first and foremost, followed by the distance and much less ground conditions Should have nothing to do with the track configuration. A 1200m race should feel like a 1200m race. not a 1400m - 1600m race because it's up the side of a hill. That's why we have races over varying distances. Class horses can win over a range of distances. The late great Colin Hayes trained Jeune to win a 7f Grp1 C F Orr Stks 1st up in his autumn campaign after he won a Melbourne Cup at 2 miles. He did the same thing with At Talaq. Now that's a training feat. Bart Cummings did it with Saintly a well. He was a Melbourne Cup winner and a Cox Plate winner. That's what separates class horses/trainers from the rest. You can keep mentioning trainers cheating to get a winnable weight in a Melbourne Cup but 160 years of history suggests you are the deluded one. Prove it. Surely you can give me 5 or 10 horses out of 160 where their trainer "cheated" so as to give them a winnable weight. I've already explained the conditions of getting into the race. The HIGHEST weighted runners get in !!!! So to manoeuvre your runner to get into a Melbourne Cup with a low weight is fraught with danger and smacks of arrogance. You could count on 1 hand the amount of trainers who KNEW they had the winner of a Melbourne Cup before it actually happened
"The Irish Champion Stakes, which has been frequently rated in the top 5 world best turf races each year (including last year as The best top rated turf race- or laughably jointed best turf horse to Cox Plate - a fucking political decision and no more when you look at ratings and the amount of Group 1 winners or lack thereof) is up there." lol political decision ? On what count ? It was rated that way as there was a superstar in it. One that is superior to EVERY European middle distance horse !!"As for other Europe trainers........go read the resume of both Aidan O'Brien and Sir Michael Stoute and their performances on the world stage from the US, to Dubai, to Japan, and recently Australia ". Of course European trainers travel their horses. It costs money to train them and the money available in Europe is ordinary at best."Racing is not for the chumps with more money than sense in Europe! The real money is made in the stud. No wonder it is European based owners that are dominating the breeding Industry." Are you kidding me. LESS than 1% of every horse that is bred goes onto become a commercially viable stallion. LESS than 1% !!!! There must be a lot of broke arse breeders/owners in Europe. Oh wait, there's fuck all owners that were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth. What a shit industry. Dominated by a few. Ours in vibrant with mass participation, mainstream media coverage, more horses, more races, more racetracks, more stakemoney. Our stakemoney is THE reason we have mass participation, including this little black duck. Imagine going to the yearling sales knowing that you have a LESS than 1% chance of buying a horse who is going to go on and become a commercially viable stallion. No thanks.
"granted, his trainer is brutal, just flogs his horses in handicaps at 2 years, gives them no time to grow and develop". He's now grown, mature and developed. Probably why we are seeing the best of him but we'll overlook that right. Minding was winning fillies races, not open class Grp1's. There's a massive difference. Next thing you'll be telling me Zenyatta was a better horse at her distances than what Black Caviar was at hers. Why do you think Highland Reel flopped in the ICS ? Probably the same reason he flopped in the Sheema Classic. Safe to say he needs good or firm ground to show his best. He's adept at both 10f and 12f when he gets good or firm ground and let's face it, many horses are in that same boat. He got those conditions in the Cox Plate. He also got a fast pace (track and race record), which surely helps a horse who's just as good at 12f over horses who don't get 12f. So he had everything to suit that day and Winx handed him his arse to the tune of 6l. Now Highland Reel didn't run badly as he still ran 3rd. It's just that Winx is clearly a superior animal. If that wasn't enough she won the Doncaster and then the Cox Plate the following year by even further and has put together a streak of 17 straight wins over a range of distances.. When a horse does that believe me you sit up and take notice. Yankee Rose is only lightly raced. Already a Grp1 winner at 2yo and 3yo and a Cox Plate placegetter as a 3yo filly. Surround was the last 3yo filly to win that race and that was in 1976. The Oaks was a bridge too far at 12.5f. She's bred to be a miler. Her sire was a Grp1 mile winner. So it's fair to say she's in the mould of a Sunline, More Joyous and even Winx. Milers who can get 10f. Of course she still has much to do to get to the level of those horses. She's been given time after her tough spring campaign so that should stand her in good stead. The peak performance of Winx pushed up the rating of the Cox Plate.
Secretariat, point blank, the greatest!!! No horse has ever come close! It’s the equivalent of Usain Bolt running the 100m in 8 seconds!
Usain Bolt has run 100 metres in the mid 8 second mark. In relays.
Good job!! I have always nudged Secretariat just a bit ahead of Man O War but always felt guilty and like i was just missing something. Its a real close call so i salute for making a call.Great video thanks.
They are all great horses in there own right 🔱🔱🔱🔱
we will never know who the greatest of all time is unless they all race each other and that can't happen so there all just great
Time settles everything! You don't have to be a scientist which I know you are not!
@@davidrosado9642 no, it doesn't. Lets take Man O'War and secretariat. Times don't mean anything because of the technology, tracks became faster, so times improved, Secretariat had lightweight aluminium shoes while Man O'War had steel one, that made him a lot slower, plus he was ALWAYS carrying a lot more weight that Secretariat ever, sometimes more than his jockey. So of course his times would not have been as good as Secretariats. And Man O'War has won a race by 100 length.
The whole is predicated upon comparisons via the handicapping and weight for age scales. Times are irrelevant but the level of domination as a product of the quality of opposition is a useful means of comparison. Not an exact science but ratings can be a useful measure for horses of the modern era.
Great video..love the sport of kings..🏇🏇🏇
what a load of shite wheres frankel, black caviar, kauto star, denman, red rum, desert orchid, arkle, istabrac, dubawi, see the stars, hurricane fly, big bucks
well this is probably looking at flat horses but you're right regarding frankel, BC, STS and dubawi anyway..!
I know now that this is an incomplete list, I made this list when I was 11.
TBH it could always be a non stop list as there's new stars every season and certain horses don't get the full recognition because they aren't given time to prove or show there full potential
RED RUM
Red rum was good but crisp was better. The only time they met at equal lweights crisp won by 10.
Was great to see our New Zealand born an bred Phar Lap in your videoOne of the greats
Angi Bunn a great Aussie horse😉
I thought the exact same thing he took on and beat the greatest American Horses of his day
Kiwis sold to Australia who named him and fixed him up after the poor condition he arrived in,but im happy with him being an anzac
@@missyb9438 Angi's comment is correct...mother was a NZer too.....BUT he never raced or registered to race in NZ so the recognition and fame all came from Australian racing. Given the sire was English would mean the Pommies have as much claim.
I always wince when I'm reminded of how young Ruffian was when she died :/
She was so beautiful, elegant really. Damn pigeon! There are so many in NY, it is insane. I would have freaked too if one landed on my nose! Unfortunately, she broke her leg, God, I am crying. She tried to run after the surgery. It was her last memory before they anesthetized her. After that she did more damage and sadly she was euthanized. RIP Beautiful Girl.
❤️❤️ Poor Ruffian--makes one want to cry each time her name comes up
was Ruffian almost 3 years old when she died or 2 years old?
Earnie Todd She was 3 and has no business on a top 10 list.
I was there that day. I cried leaving the track.
Where is Seattle Slew ?? has to be one of the top 3 horses of all time. Slew was a
beast and came into the first leg of the Triple Crown, at the Kentucky Derby, and
was undefeated, and won his next 3 races, Kentucky Derby, Preakness, and the
Belmont. Slew had great character and great heart to win. Also you have Affirmed
on this list, and he was a Triple Crown winner, but Slew beat him 2 times, and quite
easily. When Slew beat Affimed his time was only 2/5ths of a second, off the great
Secretariat's winning time for the same distance that Secretariat ran at the Derby.
Slew is a Top 3 horse of all time, and if he would have raced Secretariat, I would
bet he'd win at least one of the races between the Kentucky Derby, or Preakness,
and both horses would have been neck and neck at the finish line.
In the Belmont, I don't believe Slew would have been able to keep up with Secretariat,
as that was a longer distance, and Secretariat's heart weighed 22 lbs, and that gave
him a big advantage, to pump a lot of blood. Average weight is 12-14 ponds. No
matter what Seattle Slew was a great one, and should be in the Top 3 on this list, as
that horse had game. He would even prance for the fans before a race.
WERE IS ZENYATTA
She+Lauren W Zenyatta ?? seriously, she beat the same horses in California for most of her wins.
@@scramble100 who the hell did Ruffian beat.
She raced in New York literally her whole career
Won 18 of 19 races against other fillies and mares... she’s not in a top 50 conversation. It’s a shame that this video doesn’t include this big place that’s not in America called THE REST OF THE WORLD
Seattle Slew and Bid left off...A 4 yr old must have slapped this together
@@bgardiner3354 Americans, generallly, have a tendency to only be concerned about what is going on in their own back yards. And on a per capita of population basis their support of horse racing is not up there with several other nations.
Any top 10 list that doesn’t include zenyatta is incomplete
Secretariat was the greatest
+Livvy MoonStar i think ruffian and man o war were better
+Livvy MoonStar man o war was the fastest horse on the planet
+starbreyer horses10 your wrong secretariat is #1
+Elizabeth Gladevalley no he is not
man o war was better
Zenyatta is female but How does it get better?one OF THE BEST HORSES EVER.
I think Sham is no Top 10 Horse, Top 100 at most. There were so many horses that were better than Sham, For example: Seattle Slew , Affirmed, Nijinsky, NATIVE DANCER, Seabird, Brigadier Gerard, Ribot, Exterminator,...
And I think that Man o' War is 1st place with Secretariat 2nd. But that's a matter of opinion.
Sham shouldn't be in there. Kelso should be higher.
Secretariat was the most magnificent and amazing horse. So beautiful and perfect, also an incredible racehorse! Gods perfect creation!
Not when when he lost with every chance
I certainly agree with your top two. Putting War Admiral in but not Seattle Slew or Citation I think is flawed. I still like your list because Secretariat is number one. That’s the key!
That's the keyyy♥️😁✌
Awesome!
I used to think that Pharlap was the greatest ever, but Secretariat was an alien race horse who done the impossible on the race track.
Ruffian and Secretariat are related on the sire side. Ruffians grand sire was Bold Ruler who was Secratariats sire
There are 3 male descendant lines that almost all great racehorses around the world: Nearco, Native Dancer and Princequillo. The truly fastest hores in histrory have seep (Nearco) and endurance (Princepuillo with the oversized hearts). Secretariat, Seattle Slew, AP Indy, Sham, Zenyatta, California Chrome, Cigar, Winx, American Pharoah and Makybe Diva are just an examples). Some have all 3. Native dancer especially with Nearco accounts for almost all derby triple crown winners since the 80's. Native Dancer also comes with a curse for weak leg runners. Ruffian, Eight Belles, Barbaro and Pine Island are all descendants of Native Dancer's curse.
Taira Deubet do you know that is a horse in the history named CITATION!!
Seabiscuit will always be my favorite.❤🐎
NUMBER 1 was "Kincsem"(~My treasure) in the 19th century. Hungarian horse, 54 wins from 54 races, never lost.
All beautiful horses!
sECRETARIAT Is AND WILL ALWAYs sTAY THE BEsT
Nope Seattle Slew
@@boswindle9050 lol...
@@baq8680 whats so funny?
Seattle Slew is the inly horse in 118 years to win the Triple Crown undefeated at the time he won it.
Seattle Slew is also the only Triple Crown winner in history to beat another Triple Crown winner twice.
Not so funny now is it?
I appreciate your effort, but to leave out Citation and Zenyatta makes the numbers 2-10 hard to deal with. However, you definitely got number one correct!
So glad to see Ruffian on the list.
I love your choices and the music and pics. But I would have to add the great Seattle Slew in that mix, the ugly duckling that grew in a swan with afterburners. Great video though!
Both Man o War and Secretariat stable names were Big Red.
So was Phat Lap
go big red!!!!!!!
Not only does Citation belong on this list, he belongs in the top half of this list.
Hi Guys!! I'm getting all sorts of contradicting comments on this video. I am currently a huge fan of global horse racing from India, however I made this video 9 years ago when I was 11 years old so even I don't agree with what I have put up there anymore and most of it is Wikipedia information, but in saying this everyone would have their own opinions if I made a video now aswell :) but it is very interesting reading about everyone else's favourites and the debates from racing fans.
I was going to delete this video, but it's memories and I love that some random video I made as an 11 year old has so many views
The 10 greatest AMERICAN racehorese maybe!
+Piers Nye Ummm Phar Lap was NOT American LOL, he was an Australian horse bred in New Zealand. That's why he was called "The Red Terror From Down Under".
Sea Bird, Ribot, Nyjinsky, Sea the Stars, Frankel, Gallileo......all from Europe......phenomenal horses and not one of them listed here......typical American bias shown in this clip
Phar Lap wasn't an American race horse.
@@gordonhamilton727 Phar Lap was not an America race horse, but yes, this is American bias. They don't even have the American racehorses correct. Man O War is always #1, never Secretariat, who lost too many races. The true top 10 would obviously include other great racehorses besides Phar Lap, from other countries. This list is a farce. Even the Americans have their horses listed incorrectly. Seabiscuit, really, as number 3? Where is the American racehorse Citation? Much better than Seabiscuit. These idiots don't even know American thoroughbreds, you can't expect them to know other nations great racehorses.
@@kimkearney5419 I'm afraid it's the same in England, The rating agency Timeform is a joke, horses like Lammtarra never got the rating they were due, purely based on the distance they won by. Given a rating of 130, this English Derby (set the course record), King George, and Prix du d'arc winner was way better than Shergar, and Celtic Swing who were given 140 and 138 respectively. Each point represents one and a third lengths to a mile and a half classic horse. This would mean Shergar would have beaten Lammtarra by 13 lengths.....despite winning his Derby in 1981, over 12 seconds slower than Lammtarra,s on the same going.....its not just an American thing.
Dude where is Seattle Slew?
WeGotDat GoodMuzikMayne where’s Barbaro?
@@mdomind Barbaro? He didnt do enough
@@TheJustjim3333 LITSEN HERE OK? BARBARO TRIED HE FOUGHT FOR HIS LIFE U SAY HE DID NOT DO ENOUGH!!?? ARE YOU EVEN A HuMAn??
@@spaz5138 didn't do enough on the track
Secretariat, Frankel, ribot, phar lap, man o war, black caviar, sham, sea bird, princequillo and zenyatta
IF ASKED TO RIDE ANY OVER A MILE I'D TAKE SECRETARIAT AND I KNOW NONE WOULD BEAT ME! I USED TO BE A JOCKEY... A GOOD ONE!
Kingston Town. "The King" won over all distances, his acceleration under pressure had to be seen to be believed. I saw Kingston Town and Black Caviar race and I would have to rate "The King" as superior.
Kingston Town was undoubtedly a champion. I remember him when I was a boy. So versatile too. Black Caviar was a specialist sprinter and untouchable at the sprint trips. Both stars
Secretariat was a freak of nature in a positive way. Muscle mass was impressive. His heart was over 2 1/2 times larger than an average horse which means great stamina. He raced against a great horse (Sham) which broke the Derby record behind Secretariat. To me this means Secretariat ran better against better competition. To me there were no horses going to beat him at the Belmont that day.
True "Sham" was a good and gutsy horse but saying that "Sham" would have been a Champion IF, it had not been for SECRETARIAT..us a little lie me saying that I would have won the Lottery IFONLY I had had the Right Numbers..!!
You are right to put Big Red at Number One. Winning The Belmont Stakes by an incredible 31 lengths, in a time of just 2:24, proved to all that SECRETARIAT was and still is in a class of His Own..!!
This is a pretty good list. All these lists are so subjective anyway. Up to our personal preferences. Secretariat and the two other TC greats of the 70s up there with Man O War and Dr Fager and Spectacular Bid. Although not top 10, American Pharoah as a 21st century racer is up there around 15 to 25 probably.
where Zenyatta ?
That's right, where's Zenyatta, she's got to be #8 or #9 , no question...she reminds me in some ways of Ruffian, obviously totally different racing styles, Ruffian a front runner & Zenyatta a closer....problem would have been, when Zenyatta coming around Top of the stretch & out-racing everyone badly down the stretch, she's still 3-4 Lengths Behind Ruffian, but so wat ONLY 1 horse in Racing History ahead of Ruffian and thats Secretariat by a length, breaking another record.....The next 5 , 11-15 has to have: Rachel Alexandra, Risen Star, Lady's Secret, Genuine Risk & Silver Charm (1997)....wat about Serena's Song
Sham was good but Seattle Slew would have beat him in his prime by 4 or 5 lengths easy.......Seattle Slew beat Affirmed and you have him at #9
My top five
#1 Secretariat
#2 Man O'War
#3 Sea Biscuit
#4 War Admiral
#5 Seattle Slew
Ok, I will agree that Sham was a great horse, born in the wrong year but lets not forget why his last race was the Belmont Stakes and he was retired afterwards. He would have broken the previous Preakness record and been very close to Northern Dancer’s Derby record but he broke down in the Belmont and finished last, a very long way off the record time.
Phar Lap top 5 for sure. Kingston Town another terrific Australian horse for all you Yanks and others out there !!!
Citation... no lol. Seattle slew... no?
Maybe make it the top 12
You didn't include zenyatta
excellent list, well ordered...and thank you, THANK YOU for including the magnificent PHAR LAP, of whom many Americans do not know, and whose name means "Gleam of Light".
Thai for lightning
The original Red Terror
Secretariat was great for one year...I think the body of work needs to be more for it to be ranked 1st..
Phat lap was the greatest and secretiat and Zenyata
Glad Phar Lap made the list of American Horses but Secritariat even though I'm an Australian has to be the Greatest what he did especially that Belmont Stakes Win in 73 was truly Amazing
Phar Lap's run in October / November 1930 where he won 5 group races in 2 weeks including 3 Group one's - one being the two mile Melbourne Cup carrying a massive 63 kg was amazing. Never to be repeated.
Or maybe Seattle Slew the only undefeated Triple Crown winner until 2015.
@@paulwilliams-or8hq Certainly was. But Phar Lap was excessively heavily weighted above his weight for age benchmark. When he was weighted 68kgs in the 1932 Melbourne Cup, only Carbine & Bernborough had been lofted with the same weight. Both did not run. Phar Lap led into the straight, before finishing 8th. The horse that won, carried just 43.54kg! Nowadays, they are weight 51-54kgs. Would be like Maykbe Diva carrying 78.5kgs. Phar Lap could have easily won the 1929-1931 Melbourne Cups, much suspicion in the 1929 3rd placing. Equal 1st Group 1 wins will Tulloch on 27. All achieved at his young age of 5 1/2. Best was yet to come. Secretariat was faster, but Phar Lap was used to heavy weights. Would have been a close, classic race. I'd back The Red Terror.
@@marknorris1381 Well said mate. Phar Lap would have won the 1929 Melbourne Cup as a 3yo, but was held back by the jockey, as he went for it into the straight. Much suspicion & punters lost £1milion pounds apparently. He won in 1930, carrying 62.5kgs. The 1931 Melbourne Cup, he carried 68kgs. Only Carbine had won with such a load, 66kgs in 1890. Phar Lap led into the straight before finishing 8th. The winner, White Nose carried just 43.5kgs. Phar Lap's correct weight for age should have been mid 50's. It'd be like Maykbe Diva carrying 78.5kgs. His Agua Caliente win in 1932, breaking the race record, 7 races held that day, after a massive boat trip & nearly lame from a split hoof, which bled during the race is astonishing. Came from last to 1st in the back section of the track, had a breather & when challenged by Reville Boy, he pulled away again to win. Phar Lap could not be left out of any greatest horse discussion. He was incredible.
wheres black caviar. undefeated champion 25 wins from 25 starts
Overrated pussy. not in the same class as Vain or Winx
@@anneshaw9681 oh anne give it up
@@russe19642Overrated pussy
I think Man O'War was the greatest of all. And he deserves his title as the Horse of the century. Yes Secretariat broke records on triple crown races, but circumstances allowed him to run faster. He wasn't carrying much of a weight and his shoes were light weight, while Man O'War has steel ones. You can't say one car is faster when its laptime is in clear weather while other car had a rainy day.
Of course the two Big Red's get placed as the best. I could list many more great horses that you've ignored in slot 1 through 8. But leaving out Citation, was pretty bad...
Oh my God! Have you ever heard about Kincsem the Hungarian Wonder? She had 54 races and never lost. Never!
Read something about her in Wiki and make a new video!
Good luck!
Exactly, not a very well researched list.
Kinscem? Never heard that name.
dobokaydani Undefeated great horse. Sadly it was a different error so she’s been forgotten.
bad list.sham?seabiscuit?good horses but not top ten of all time.where is count fleet?triple crown winner and won his belmont by at least
twenty five lengths.citation?won triple crown and in between preakness and belmont,won a two
mile race.native dancer?forego?spectacular bid?
I know now that this is an incomplete list, I made this list when I was 11.
11?then all is forgiven and i respect your input.
Seabiscuit beat the great War Admiral after coming back from a terrible injury to his leg.
Sea Bird II greatest thoroughbred in the history of the turf.
Absolutely.I also saw the two Arc de Triomphe ,55,56, winned by Ribot.Sea Bird ,just after Secretariat.and Ribot around ten
Seattle Slew is the only triple crown winner undefeated in USA and in 17 starts he won 14, with 2 seconds, one of these by a nose in one of best efforts ever showed by a thoroughbred. He defeated Affirmed 2 times. If a horse with this record is not in a top ten list, there´s something wrong with the list.
Forli64 Yup, I would agree. Not to mention Citation, , Count Fleet, and Zenyatta as mention people have suggested.
Phar Lap was the greatest ever!!!!
Greatest RACE horse of all time can't be a horse with only 21 starts! A true champion stands the test of time. In the modern era (after 1930) only one horse stands out and tha's KELSO! John Henry is a very close second only because of the lack of true handicap races since the 1980's. Kelso and John Henry have more wins than the whole list you show here and each has twice as many as your number 1. Excellence over time = greatness!!!!
Kelso.
@@marknorris1381 Kelso was, is and always will be the best "race" horse of all time!!!
And Kincsem? The Hungarian wonder mare who ran and won 54/54 races!!!!!!
Of course a list like this is fundamentally subjective, but I still don't know why you would include Sham. He finished last in the Belmont Stakes and had only 5 victories in 13 starts in his career. Sham also lost 5 races to horses not named Secretariat in races where Secretariat was not entered. I don't see why two excellent efforts in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, races which he lost, qualifies Sham as the 8th best horse of all time.
Thank you. I rooted for Sham in the triple crown races, but to this day don't know why he is treated as an all-time great. 5/13 is good but certainly not great and not a "sure triple crown winner" if Secretariat hadn't run. I also admire Seabiscuit, but most people only know him because of the very inaccurate movie. A very gritty, good horse, but nowhere near a top ten all-time horse. So very few people today know anything about horses prior to 1973 or from Europe, making their lists less than compelling. These videos would be much better I think if they were presented as, "these are my all-time top favorite horses."
Did you mean greatest American horses lol. Very incomplete list. Where was Pharlap?? Not only did he prove he could sprint like a demon, but he could stay too. Amazing! And he travelled across the world over rough seas by boat and proved it. Injured and all. Nothing like him.
Phar Lap was on the list! 😏
Steph Miller Lol... What the?? I must have dozed off 😨😃
Listen Up, 😉🐎
+Listen Up Hey mate, spot on Pharlap was the greatest, but then we had Kingston town and now the mighty Winx who just loves to flog world class horses, as u know I had to leave quite a few out, list is to long
Listen Up haha black cavier also fastest horse in the world, makybe diva best staying mare? Shit list!
Zenyatta?
She was a legend💚💙
My_Bay_Jed they left her out, sad...shes amazing.
mike smith rode her brilliantly, never asking for more than he needed from her. if he'd asked for it all, I'm sure she'd blown away any racehorse during any era, with her ears pricked foward.
Julie Ayton Yates Never forget her
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How can you stop at ten..?
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This should be titled best American race horses... Frankel was far and way above any horse on here.. he was unbeatable... Frankel #1 horse in history
right and Sean Penn was friends with El Chappo
scouserdan3 agree
yeah Frankel unparalleled. If you look at his Juddemonte win alone, and consider how easily he beat St Nicholas Abbey and Farhh, and what they achieved in their own rights (in America and in Europe), Frankel clearly stands alone as the greatest.
It cant be named best American racehorses as Phar Lap was born and bred in New Zealand
I do agree with Frankel being an outstanding horse and yes possibly the equivalent of others mentioned - not the original list - rather horses nominated by replyers. The problem with Frankel being claimed as the best of all time is that English racing is very different to other countries. The tracks are exceedingly different in surface (firm to slow conditions), pacemakers were used in most of his races, banned in Australia. This makes assessing his competitiveness on race times difficult. If he ran those times in Australian Group1 races he would have been beaten decisively. Only his 22 August 2012, International Stakes at York came close to an Australian track record.
So to get an idea of the difficulty in race times comparison see Black Caviar. She wins over 6F/1200M in Adelaide in 1:10:32 and then next runs same distance at Ascot, England in 1:14:10 and not ridden out the last 50 metres. that's the equivalent of 18+ lengths difference. An unsolvable comparison.
Black Caviar? Frankel? Sea the Stars? American style of racing is bizarre, they need to travel abroad more frequently to meet serious horses....
+Jack Nolan Well Said Jack..LOVED Black Caviar when she was racing, a wonderful mare. also Frankel too. many are unjustified TBH.
+Cerrie Lang Black Caviar 15 group ones including one at Ascot, and undefeated. Would be hard to see anyone defeating Frankel too. Not completing discounting US horses (American Pharoah was a freak as one example) but with their use of Lasix and their depth in the fields as well as the tracks, its pretty hard to measure them up against the rest of the world. Especially if they don't travel. UK superstars generally race throughout Europe and at the Breeders Cup, Aus champion horses prepared to test themselves in Hong Kong and Ascot every year. Not many succeed but the ones who do make it pretty hard for critics to discount them as anything but champions- this is what American horses need to do.
+Christy Dolan Until then I'll remain conservatively skeptical about them. On another note, keep an eye out for an Aus mare named Winx, by Street Cry. She's a superstar here already. Won our premier WFA race by 5 lengths over Highland Reel, who won the Hong Kong Vase. Ridiculous turn of foot, she could be anything.
A very interesting list. I would differ in my opinion in many ways I'm sure. The Sham choice caught my eye. I've said many times that if Secretariat hadn't been there, Sham would have taken the Triple Crown. My top choice would be Kelso, because of his endurance and will to win, which I value more than anything. For that reason, Forego would also be quite high in my top 10. Secretariat sulked too often, it seemed. He had all the ability in the world, but seemed to stop trying if things weren't going his way. Difficult to say, because I loved him and missed much of his Belmont Stakes stretch run because I couldn't wipe the tears from my eyes quickly enough.
yes but isn't that like saying if affirmed hadn't have been in the races alydar would've won the triple crown let's not forget alydar finished 2nd to affirmed in all those races
you don't know that...There are so many bad luck stories in those races.
Phar Lap was not an American bred horse! He was bred in New Zealand and raced in Australia! He was bought by an American and brought over to the states to race. Agreed, he was a wonderful race horse who didn't deserve his cruel and tragic end!
Obviously this is Limited to American Thoroughbreds..
As there's little doubt FRANKEL is the greatest race horse of all time...
Followed by Sea Bird... and Ribot..
Secretariat was a phenomenal specimen.. but how can we hold him in higher regard than horses like Sea The Stars, winner of 6 Group 1 races over 6 months as a 3 year old..
Lee SOG,yes but frankel never carried 130 as a 2 yr. an 138 lbs. as a 3 yr. giving up to 32 lbs. to his rivals and still winning like MAN OF WAR!Man of War carried 130lbs.in 6 races as a 2 year old and 138 as a 3 year old and still won going away,conceding as much as 32 pounds (15 kg) to other horses.i like Secretartiat but if you had put 130 plus on him he would have shit himself JUST LIKE FRANKEL WOULD HAVE!
joeupyours Tinsley Interesting. I suppose we'll never know.. and they are mighty impressive stats, so you think no horse since Man O War would have lived with him?
+Lee SOG I agree frankels the best ive seen, and I flew from Australia in 2012 to watch him at ascot and goodwood,and black caviar the greatest sprinter I have ever seen, won on the saturdayat ascot, but I feel in her career,she was protected,stiill 25 wins undefeated.
+nick hobart How was Black Caviar protected ? She raced on straight tracks, turning tracks, left handed, right handed, on almost every major track in Aust. She travelled half way round the world to race at Royal Ascot. She started 25 times, 15 of them in Grp1 races. She own's the FASTEST and 2 of the 3 fastest times at Australia's premier track. She beat close to 50 individual Grp1 winners. Twice she was injured in races yet she still prevailed. She holds the weight carrying record for a mare in Australia's oldest Grp1 sprint race. For all that she ended her career without a single horse beating her. 25 wins from 25 starts incl an Australasian record 15 Grp1 wins.
+AnotherFastnet70 maybe I used the wrong phase,im not knocking her,as I said above shes the best spinter ive seen, maybe I should have said well placed,and that is the trainers job.
No No No, unbeatens Frankel- UK. Ribot- ITALY. Seabird. FRANCE-
Black Caviar. AUSTRALIA. Think again Taira,
Colin
Sea Bird was beaten 8 starts 7 wins 1 2nd
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Every era has its best. check Kincsem. She has a stillunbeaten record she won 54races from her 54 races all over europe.
Dr. Fage is the only horse to win 4 separate divisions of 'Horse Of The Year' in
one season, 1968, when he averaged carrying 134 lbs per race and won the
Sprint Championship (Winning the 7 furlong Vosburgh in 120.1 while carrying
139 lbs. He defeated the top grass horses in an international field, on a wet
grass carrying 134 lbs, which is a surface he had never run on before. In addition
he 'of course' won handicap horse of the year as well as overall horse of the year.
Secretariat couldn't win on grass, nor was he able to beat a $15,000 'claimer' named
Onion, or a $40,000 allowance horse named Prove Out. When he won The Belmont
the field had only one quality opponent named Sham, who he defeated by an average
of only two lengths in the 'Derby' and 'Preakness'. It's never mentioned that Sham broke
down during the running of the Belmont and his trainer attributed it to the concrete hard
surface that Penny Tweedy pressured officials to institute in order to maximize running
time. She actually got the officials at The Preakness to change the final time which is an
outrage. Michael Venezia, a regular rider in NY, told me that Secretariat's time of 2.24 is
a joke because of the track condition. When he ran at Arlington Park. carrying 126 lbs,
he was defeated by Prove out while his finishing time was 135.2 for the mile. Dr. Fager
carried 134 lbs at Arlington and won his mile race in 132.1, even though he was eased
up at the end of his 10 length victory. That's 16 lengths faster than Secretariat and was a
World Record. Had Secretariat run against Dr. Fager in a match race he would have been
defeated by Dr. Fager. Secretariat even lost to his stable mate Riva Ridge in a race just
prior to the Derby. He also was defeated by Fort Marcy in a distance race on grass, and
was also beaten at 6 furlongs in the first race of his career. How people can make so much
about one race, on a surface that was not normal due to its being packed down like hard
concrete, is beyond obscene. Truly great horses can be beaten....but not by $15,000
claiming, or $40,000 allowance horses. Examine all the truly great horses and see that if
they lost an occasional race, it was against top competition, and not 'repeatedly' by 'stiffs'.
Thank you for posting this. SECRETARIAT is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!