Technically, Liu Bei and Yuan Shu have an easier time playing tall, as their personal currencies yield bonus prestige. Kong Rong can still play a very unconventional game of buying territory rather than conquering, as we'll increasingly get into, but playing somewhat wide with him is still a good idea.
You could also interpret it as Kong Rong offering to throw the wildest marriage party ever at his expense. Liu Dai can have the leftovers for lunch for a week.
I love that diplomacy isn't just a delay for the inevitable war. Gives it so much more depth. Frankly in 10 minutes here you see more features than in all Imperator Rome. Not to mention the visual diversity.
@@JoshuaKevinPerry I feel with Imperator Rome PDX has overstreched even the patience of their fanboys. I't just an empty shell and you can SEE the holes for future DLC. Maybe they have gone too far this time. Oh yeah when's the espionage DLC for HOI4 coming? A MAJOR topic in world war 2, that should have been in the base game. Like the line breaking tool for battles (basic tactical maneuver) that they hid in a otherwise uselsee 15€ DLC. It still blows my mind , how Paradox get's away with things that Ubisoft or EA would be ripped to shreds for.
@@hororskull It makes me wonder if Marquis de Lafayette being such a prominent figure in American history contributed to it being the predominant american pronunciation. Probably not
Jon, pretty sure the border issue is because you don't share a border that is actually accessable to your capital. You have the territory of Liu Dai sat between your two territory block. The trade probably require a direct route from your border to your capital staying within your territory.
Jon, I hope you see this. I don't think you'll need it, but I have been playing for 40+ hours and only saw this pointed out on the Total War Subreddit. When a building is being constructed, there is a money icon at the bottom of the construction icon. If you're swimming in cash, press the smaller icon to immediately construct the building for a price, rather than having to wait the amount of turns it would take to normally build.
Really enjoying this character. You`re doing a great job with him. I think flaming shots with the catapults is always the best. Against buildings as well as troops.
Something to note MaTN, spearman in this game don't have a bonus vs large that other total war games have had. They instead have a reflect charge mechanic which will pretty much just kill mounted units that charge into them so long as they are facing the charge and not moving. Sorry if the comment is late, just wanted to let you know that charging spearman into mounted units don't yield a much different result then using swords/axeman.
Actually, that would be considered an absolutely brilliant move by a weaker faction-avoid utter destruction, gain influence in a bigger power, and get protection?
Nathaniel Smith Oh, for a guy who merely owns rich farmland, marrying off his daughter to the Guy who has been amassing serious wealth and whose army is undefeated in 5 years? Outstanding move!
You should make sure to get Trade Monopoly deals if you can. They will get you further along without any negative benefit. Its a special trade thing for Kong Rongs faction.
You need road connections between capitals. So your random territory separated form the rest of your kingdom doesn't help when establishing trade routes
@@ManyATrueNerd I did consider that. Maybe you can't use the river to establish a sea route? Also, while I have your attention: TROIZEN!!! Just mentioning it in your Imperator series would relieve a lot of my anxiety
@@ManyATrueNerd Sea routes do work as long as they connect capitals. Your capital has multiple points of access to the sea (at Dong City, Taishan Trade Port, and Donglai City), but Yuan Shu doesn't actually have one. Luoyang City borders the river but the city itself doesn't actually connect to it, he'd need to take Luoyang Trade Port a bit further up the river for you to trade by sea. Or if you took out Liu Dai (not saying you should, but if you did) you'd have a direct land route.
Mar-qwus is the pronunciation of the nobleman title according to british english, -- the marquee thing is american english and is as so many things in american english (aluminum), a mistake that has been so common and existed so long people have decided it's true and american and everything else is wrong.
@@TheLearningDroid You say this, and I see multiple links on Google saying this, and yet I am British, and have never once heard anyone say it that way.
@@decus9544 allot of people in Britain unfortunately now speak a half american construct of english because of the propensity for american shows, movies etc to make their way to the uk
@@TheLearningDroid Okay well, whilst I usually tend to dislike Americanisms, in this case I agree with them. Their restoration of the pronunciation of Marquis back to the original French is essentially a correction to a mistake that developed and caught on in England - a reverse of the usual trend.
Jon when making trade deals,make sure you are making trade monopolies. They provide higher trade influence and is one of the key selling points of kong rongs playstyle
@Galthasar Belt No its only in anglo English. Every other English speaking part of the world pronounces it Mar-key. The french way. Also there is an imperial rank in China called hou, when translated to an English nobility ranking is Marquis.
Pinyin pronounciation: He yi- her yi Yuan - yoo-an Most 'u's are pronounced like 'oo' in goo C is pronounced like 'ts' in cats X is pronounced like 'sh' so 'xiu' is like she-oo Zh is pronounced like 'j' so zhang is like jang Hope this helps. Loving the series
Awesome videos man love your total war series your the only person I've seen that doesn't make these games seem boring. To be clear I love these games just videos on them seem rushed. Thanks for the information on the new systems
Loving this series. Jon, you've got me contemplating not just buying the game but getting hold of the book. Love the depth and honestly you make Total War games look easy.
She's all war, all the time. Her special bar makes people hate you. She loses her special bar for staying at peace too long. She wants to be burning towns and winning battles constantly.
@@madthundercat This and, just from personal experience, the other bandit next to you has a better start financially and by turn 15 or so he'll invade you with a maxed out force that auto-ambushes you if you're not in a fortified position. It's not so much a "Very hard" start as a "Get bent, you loser" start. However, survive past Zhang Yan borderline cheating and you can do weird stuff like marry Lu Bu and deploy him alongside the bandit queen for a hilarious deathball of an army.
I agree - but I looked it up in multiple dictionaries and pronunciation guide, and they all agreed that the original French pronunciation wasn't the commonly accepted English language pronunciation, though I'm thrilled to see this has sparked some strong opinions.
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Indiana has an incorrectly-pronounced Versailles, too. There's an interesting mix of proper French pronunciation and mispronunciation in the region.
Get a Vanguard, give him vanguard deployment ability and a whole squad of lancer cav mmmmmhmmmmmmm. You squash shit with lance cav so easy in this game, its shogun 2 all over again. Everything is mega squishy. Took me a tiny bit of time to aclimitise to that style again after Atilla and everyone having lots of armour.
If you are interested in pronouncing Wang correctly, not that I mind, cut/paste this character ->王 into Google Translate, the speaker button will correctly pronounce it for you. You can use it in all occurrences of 'Wang' you encountered. 王朗 = Wang Lang And since you are playing Kong Rong, you can try make it pronounce this 孔融 (Kong Rong). Edit: Oh yeah, and splendid video. It was very well done. Can't wait for next.
Hi Jon, Great video! two comments. I believe the reason that you were not able to trade with Cao Cao and Yuan Shu is because, although the game does not specifically say. The border that you have to share needs to be linked between both faction's capitals (just like Warhammer). In your case, since your new town Yingchuan is not technically connected to your other territories and you do not have a direct link from a port to your capital, the game does not think you have a border. Also; your suspicion about flame is always the best way to take out towers. Either flaming shot from archer or trebs will destroy towers in like one or two volleys. To be fair, it is all I do now in my campaign. This tactic also works great for army encampment forts. Since the walls and towers are all made of wood. One volley from flaming shot will spread to burn down almost all their the tower and wall defenses.
I always found that 2 trebs per strat melted any enemies that attacked me or towers in cities I attacked. I even created a support army with 2 strats and Zhao Yun with 2 trebs each to initate attacks on cities while another army was reinforcement to see if it would work. Worked early to mid game, but late game it was better to have balanced armies that could operate solo during the 3 Kingdoms period.
Marquess (ma rkwis) is the English version used in Great Britain, most of Europe spells it Marquis pronounced the French way. So two different words, and sounds , for the same thing, Its only used as an equivalent for an Imperial Chinese rank, as their rank system changed over dynasties.
'Mar-kwis' is the proper english pronounciation, dating from the napoleonic wars when we scrubbed all the frenchy-sounding words from english. Same reason we pronounce leightenant 'left-tenant.' Pretty sure most dictionaries list both pronounciations as correct.
Not according to every dictionary I could find from both the UK and the US - while Mar-kee is the original French, Mar-qwis is the commonly accepted version in British and American English.
@@ManyATrueNerd Fair enough. I last looked it up when Final Fantasy twelve came out, and people were slagging off the VA for pronouncing a character's title 'markwis'. I'm probably misremembering.
Checked wiktionary (Received Pronunciation) IPA(key): /ˈmɑː.kwɪs/ (General American) IPA(key): /mɑɹ.ˈki/, /ˈmɑɹ.kwɪs/ So I suppose either is acceptable from an American perspective. Pronounce it however you wish.
Just FYI John, the Champion's hamstring ability also does ~3.8K "splash damage" and has a relatively short cooldown. It's worth it to use as much as possible, as it's a guaranteed hit.
It's worth noting that there's a small issue right now where Yuan Shao goes a bit crazy with vassels, absorbing everybody around him and most people seem to experience him becoming extremely powerful. Also when you hover over a territory and it says "unknown", the faction in question may still control it. You just have no visibility. Oh and demand surrender just let's you take cities without a fight if you outnumber them enough, but can only been done if there's an enemy general in the city. Oh and I think faction heirs have to be inside your own faction, so marrying them off doesn't mean you'll inherit a faction. Plus the fact that people can just designate someone else as an heir.
Me in homeroom: ok i'm going to do my drama and design paperwork, if i get it started now i can gain momentum at home and hand it in before it's midnight deadline. Notifications: *MANY A TRUE NERD HAS UPLOADED: TOTAL WAR: THREE KINGDOMS - PART 4 - THE BUSINESS OF WAR* Me: nevermind
Might be an idea to get trade monopolies not trade agreements, seeing as trade monopolies are much better for your faction. Also, demanding surrender is a great way to get territory without a fight.
For the trade agreement I think enclaves do not count as a border. But You can trade with some that have trade ports as well if I am not mistaken there. It could be that they need to have a city on the water, not totally sure. I have just been playing myself.
"I'm surprised Yuan Shao has a border with him [Cao Cao]" No, no he doesn't. I was playing as Cao Cao, I hadn't done much, and Yuan Shao was no where near me but declared war. A couple of years later, I managed to get 2000 gold from him in the peace deal with no battles whatsoever.
In Three Kingdoms, spears are only anti-charge, not anti-cavalry generally. Any melee unit would have done to charge them with. You want to see cavalry REALLY melt, watch them charge set spears. I've seen units just cease to exist.
@@ManyATrueNerd Main reason is because I was always told a "Letter of Marquis" (the letter given to Privateers by royal families/governments giving permission for what was essentially legal piracy) was pronounced as "Letter of Mark".
Jon, I think you're not considered to have a border with them because your new territory that borders them doesn't actually connect to your capital or the rest of your trade network. I might be entirely wrong about that, and you might need to simply wait a turn. But I'm pretty sure it's that your borders aren't connected.
I am sure someone else already said it, but total war has this very frustrating rule that trade routes can only be done when both factions have their capital's connected. When you looked at that trade deal right after taking that one city, the newer city was not connected to the rest of your territory...frustrating, I know.
Has total war ever had a mechanic that let you split an individual unit into two? Like taking a single unit of say horse archers and splitting them to sit on opposite sides of a line to get better coverage with their ammunition.
Jon you can't trade with them since your new town aren't connected with your capital. The town and the capital need to be connected but it's broken cause of the territory you have military access in.
Jon! Just want to make sure you know, I believe the reason you can't trade with Yuan Shu is because you don't have a border connected to your capital connected to them.
Yeah, the tooltip explaining why you can't get a trade route is a really bad simplification. What you need is a connection from your capital to theirs. This can either be a contiguous route involving first your territory and then theirs, or if you both have trade ports, contiguous routes between each side's capital and their trade ports. Jon touched on this briefly when considering whether to peace out Don Min, but it's VERY worth knowing whether the other trade ports are on the map if you have one yourself. You can potentially send out a scout general with minimal retinue to make contact, opening up trade partners that don't block your expansion. The natural targets for this are Gongsun Zan and Sun Jian/Sun Ce/Sun Quan - both of them far away from most factions, but owning trade ports.
Have you considered that you don't have trade access because your territories are cut off and the territory that you're adjacent to Cao Cao doesn't have resource production?
Marquis is the french pronunciation. It derives from the french word delimiting the territories that "mark" the borders. In portuguese, the world is Marquês (with a similar pronunciation) and the word "marca" it's literally "mark".
I think a wise plan of action would be to bring your wife into your army since she would benefit from her traits alot more on the battlefield. Tao Quan also could be a valuable ally, and finally making sure that all your generals have the highest quality weapons and armor could benefit them greatly on the battlefield. You should also try to take the island of Taiwan to gain access to the trade of tea which is more abundant in the south of China. Taiwan is a long ways away so it shouldn't be a priority but it could be interesting
So Jon, how many trade routes do you have now? Maybe the whole "both sides need an open trade route" is the limiting factor. Likely you do not have an open trade route due to attempting to trade with everyone you meet? That said I do not know if Kong Rong has any special thing that gives him more trade routes.
Don't trust Yuan Shu. If you are the Han loyalist you deemed Kong Ring to be, Yuan Shu is a traitor by later declaring himself emperor, even though he wasn't part of the Imperial family and that the Emperor himself is still alive.
Fun fact: some legionaries strayed and they wandered until they reached a little town in china where they settled; to this day the population of that town has western traits and genetic analisys confirm thay have a part of italic DNA
Hi, Jon. You seem to not use Rongs special diplomatic action. I would enjoy the series more if you would. It is called trade monopoly and is an alternative to the trade agreement. Thanks!
its definitely "mark-ee" at least in england ¬_¬ also please tell me you changed that trade agreement into a trade monopoly to boost your influence! D: Also keep an eye out for the repeating crossbows their stats look crap but they are great for close front line support due to the suppression effect that cause just it doesn't show up on their panel beyond a vague description (think whistling arrows but much stronger and doesn't effect your units like in previous Total Wars)
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Jon: playing as Kong Rong means you can play Tall instead of wide.
Also Jon: It's Free Real Estate
Ahh reminds me of his last Stelaris playthrough.
Technically, Liu Bei and Yuan Shu have an easier time playing tall, as their personal currencies yield bonus prestige. Kong Rong can still play a very unconventional game of buying territory rather than conquering, as we'll increasingly get into, but playing somewhat wide with him is still a good idea.
Many A True Nerd good save.
@@ManyATrueNerd Moar width! ;) It's the 'Fury' of Behai, not the 'Furry' of Behai!
"Hey, can I marry your faction heir?"
"Sure, but I want a loaf of bread for her."
Some people ask for too much in this world and get nothing, others ask for too little and get everything.
You could also interpret it as Kong Rong offering to throw the wildest marriage party ever at his expense.
Liu Dai can have the leftovers for lunch for a week.
pro trick: you can watch series on flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching all kinds of movies these days.
@Everett London definitely, I've been using flixzone} for years myself :D
@Everett London Yup, I have been using Flixzone} for since december myself =)
I love that diplomacy isn't just a delay for the inevitable war. Gives it so much more depth. Frankly in 10 minutes here you see more features than in all Imperator Rome.
Not to mention the visual diversity.
CA implementing a spy system before PDX is both unsurprising and disappointing.
@@JoshuaKevinPerry I feel with Imperator Rome PDX has overstreched even the patience of their fanboys. I't just an empty shell and you can SEE the holes for future DLC.
Maybe they have gone too far this time.
Oh yeah when's the espionage DLC for HOI4 coming? A MAJOR topic in world war 2, that should have been in the base game.
Like the line breaking tool for battles (basic tactical maneuver) that they hid in a otherwise uselsee 15€ DLC.
It still blows my mind , how Paradox get's away with things that Ubisoft or EA would be ripped to shreds for.
Kind of ironic considering the name of the game.
Hey Jon you missed that Taichi Chi is available in the recruitment pool!
John, well done with this spectacular upload schedule 👏👏
Space Encounters I thought his name was spelt Jon
Little Beanze, I don’t really know either. Autocorrect chose it for me
It is spelled Jon
No 'h' fuckhead
@@alpha1beta1gamma woah there
41:00 : Taishi Ci! He's alive!
Not sure how he survived though...
Legendaries are often wounded rather than killed - you need to kill them again while they're wounded to finish them off for good.
"I'm gonna pull out and try again the other side" - Jon 2019
The Dong is strong!
Yuan Shao Not Pass
Jon if this isn't a future video title I will be disappointed.
Totally stealing this.
Gotta have one just titled: "Lew Bae". Jon, I'm counting on you.
i don't think i have ever heard it pronounced mar-kwiss, alway read it as mar-key
mar-key 100% the way to say it.
markwiss sounds vulgar honestly
Apparently 'markwis' is the British pronunciation, but I've never heard anyone pronounce it like that either.
@@hororskull It makes me wonder if Marquis de Lafayette being such a prominent figure in American history contributed to it being the predominant american pronunciation. Probably not
Queensbury rules?
I love how everyone is always scowling, but Kong Rong is almost always smiling.
“I don’t know why you guys are so angry, these numbers are awesome!”
Jon, pretty sure the border issue is because you don't share a border that is actually accessable to your capital. You have the territory of Liu Dai sat between your two territory block. The trade probably require a direct route from your border to your capital staying within your territory.
Jon, I hope you see this. I don't think you'll need it, but I have been playing for 40+ hours and only saw this pointed out on the Total War Subreddit.
When a building is being constructed, there is a money icon at the bottom of the construction icon.
If you're swimming in cash, press the smaller icon to immediately construct the building for a price, rather than having to wait the amount of turns it would take to normally build.
Really enjoying this character. You`re doing a great job with him. I think flaming shots with the catapults is always the best. Against buildings as well as troops.
Something to note MaTN, spearman in this game don't have a bonus vs large that other total war games have had. They instead have a reflect charge mechanic which will pretty much just kill mounted units that charge into them so long as they are facing the charge and not moving. Sorry if the comment is late, just wanted to let you know that charging spearman into mounted units don't yield a much different result then using swords/axeman.
YES!!! I FINALLY GET MY FIX. BEEN WAITING LIKE A DRUG ADDICT!!! THANKS JON!!!
(Handsome Rob Voice)
"Listen, Liu Dai: I'm going to need your Roads and Your Girl."
Actually, that would be considered an absolutely brilliant move by a weaker faction-avoid utter destruction, gain influence in a bigger power, and get protection?
Nathaniel Smith Oh, for a guy who merely owns rich farmland, marrying off his daughter to the Guy who has been amassing serious wealth and whose army is undefeated in 5 years? Outstanding move!
when MATN posts a TW:3K video
me: REROUTE ALL POWER TO TH-cam
monetization systems online ad block defences confirmed
You should make sure to get Trade Monopoly deals if you can. They will get you further along without any negative benefit. Its a special trade thing for Kong Rongs faction.
"Don't want no jailhouse, shotgun, fish-hooks, golf clubs, 47:23"
It took me a bit to get it, but very well done sir.
You need road connections between capitals. So your random territory separated form the rest of your kingdom doesn't help when establishing trade routes
that makes sense
Sea routes SEEM to be workable too, I think...
@@ManyATrueNerd I did consider that. Maybe you can't use the river to establish a sea route?
Also, while I have your attention:
TROIZEN!!!
Just mentioning it in your Imperator series would relieve a lot of my anxiety
@@ManyATrueNerd Sea routes do work as long as they connect capitals. Your capital has multiple points of access to the sea (at Dong City, Taishan Trade Port, and Donglai City), but Yuan Shu doesn't actually have one. Luoyang City borders the river but the city itself doesn't actually connect to it, he'd need to take Luoyang Trade Port a bit further up the river for you to trade by sea. Or if you took out Liu Dai (not saying you should, but if you did) you'd have a direct land route.
This is literally the highlight of my day. Thanks Jon
*happy Total War addict noises*
Jon I'm fairly sure it is infact pronounced Mar-kee and that you've simply been 'corrected' by someone on the wrong end of the Dunning-Kruger curve.
Mar-qwus is the pronunciation of the nobleman title according to british english, -- the marquee thing is american english and is as so many things in american english (aluminum), a mistake that has been so common and existed so long people have decided it's true and american and everything else is wrong.
@@TheLearningDroid You say this, and I see multiple links on Google saying this, and yet I am British, and have never once heard anyone say it that way.
@@decus9544 allot of people in Britain unfortunately now speak a half american construct of english because of the propensity for american shows, movies etc to make their way to the uk
@@TheLearningDroid Okay well, whilst I usually tend to dislike Americanisms, in this case I agree with them. Their restoration of the pronunciation of Marquis back to the original French is essentially a correction to a mistake that developed and caught on in England - a reverse of the usual trend.
Also aluminum is not a mistake, is actually older and was coined by a Brit. Just saying.
Jon when making trade deals,make sure you are making trade monopolies. They provide higher trade influence and is one of the key selling points of kong rongs playstyle
Which one of you idiots told Jon it's pronounced "markwiss". It is "marqee" in this situation. Hell, it's that in every situation
@Galthasar Belt No its only in anglo English. Every other English speaking part of the world pronounces it Mar-key. The french way. Also there is an imperial rank in China called hou, when translated to an English nobility ranking is Marquis.
These are great, and I love the long lengths too! You're probably the only person I watch full episodes for let's plays and shit like this, so great!
Kong Rong's Dong looking strong.
Pinyin pronounciation:
He yi- her yi
Yuan - yoo-an
Most 'u's are pronounced like 'oo' in goo
C is pronounced like 'ts' in cats
X is pronounced like 'sh' so 'xiu' is like she-oo
Zh is pronounced like 'j' so zhang is like jang
Hope this helps. Loving the series
41:01 taishi city is an available candidate. You can finally make them friends.
Awesome videos man love your total war series your the only person I've seen that doesn't make these games seem boring. To be clear I love these games just videos on them seem rushed. Thanks for the information on the new systems
Loving this series. Jon, you've got me contemplating not just buying the game but getting hold of the book. Love the depth and honestly you make Total War games look easy.
The book is 800,000 words and 120 chapters with over 1000 characters.
Play as Zheng Jiang. I dare you.
Also, bottom of the reform tree, aim to get the heavy armour glaive archers.
why, is it impossible?
She's all war, all the time. Her special bar makes people hate you. She loses her special bar for staying at peace too long. She wants to be burning towns and winning battles constantly.
@@Bloodlyshiva sounds interesting but I don't think Jon will choose her since she's made up and not in the book
@@madthundercat This and, just from personal experience, the other bandit next to you has a better start financially and by turn 15 or so he'll invade you with a maxed out force that auto-ambushes you if you're not in a fortified position.
It's not so much a "Very hard" start as a "Get bent, you loser" start. However, survive past Zhang Yan borderline cheating and you can do weird stuff like marry Lu Bu and deploy him alongside the bandit queen for a hilarious deathball of an army.
ready for some more of this... I'm sure you have a schedule but just letting you know this is the best 3k series I've seen thus far.
Who the f pronounces Marquis as the latter!? It's French, God damnit, let's pronounce it the former way.
I agree - but I looked it up in multiple dictionaries and pronunciation guide, and they all agreed that the original French pronunciation wasn't the commonly accepted English language pronunciation, though I'm thrilled to see this has sparked some strong opinions.
@@ManyATrueNerd Why TF wouldn't you pronounce it the French way?
@@Karaboo7 I guess Claire
The same north Americans that pronounce niche as nitch
Many A True Nerd I think the position is usually pronounced mar-key, while the name is usually pronounced mar-kwiss
Marquis is 100% uses the French pronunciation. The other pronunciation is just from anglophones being unable to grasp French spelling.
Also the bit out sieges damaging towers the longer your at it is also true
Lady Dickpunch 40% of our language is of French Latin origin yet most of us have problems pronouncing French words.
French spelling is a common phobia for those who don't speak French
Never in my life have I ever heard anyone pronounce it "mar-qwis."
Come to America. We stole many foreign names and terms, but had no idea how to pronounce most of them.
@@scottsiefker Versails (Versailles) Kentucky. Arkansaw(Arkansas) Kansas (Not Kansaw)
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Indiana has an incorrectly-pronounced Versailles, too. There's an interesting mix of proper French pronunciation and mispronunciation in the region.
John, yes, siege escalation is a thing in Three Kingdoms. Longer you wait more damage is done, I believe it was also present in Atilla?
Get a Vanguard, give him vanguard deployment ability and a whole squad of lancer cav mmmmmhmmmmmmm. You squash shit with lance cav so easy in this game, its shogun 2 all over again. Everything is mega squishy. Took me a tiny bit of time to aclimitise to that style again after Atilla and everyone having lots of armour.
Tower: Does nothing to the duel.
Jon: BUT WHAT IF?!
Wow I really hope this series continues for a long time. I absoloutely love it!
fallout followed by total war. you've made my morning jon
Game: Kong Rong has the pacifist trait.
Jon: Let's go murder these folks over here.
Jon: Ey, Lew Bae, can you go murder some blokes for me?
50:35 You sent your Commander into the melee but not your Champion... Wut?
If you are interested in pronouncing Wang correctly, not that I mind, cut/paste this character ->王 into Google Translate, the speaker button will correctly pronounce it for you. You can use it in all occurrences of 'Wang' you encountered.
王朗 = Wang Lang
And since you are playing Kong Rong, you can try make it pronounce this 孔融 (Kong Rong).
Edit: Oh yeah, and splendid video. It was very well done. Can't wait for next.
Hi Jon, Great video! two comments. I believe the reason that you were not able to trade with Cao Cao and Yuan Shu is because, although the game does not specifically say. The border that you have to share needs to be linked between both faction's capitals (just like Warhammer). In your case, since your new town Yingchuan is not technically connected to your other territories and you do not have a direct link from a port to your capital, the game does not think you have a border. Also; your suspicion about flame is always the best way to take out towers. Either flaming shot from archer or trebs will destroy towers in like one or two volleys. To be fair, it is all I do now in my campaign. This tactic also works great for army encampment forts. Since the walls and towers are all made of wood. One volley from flaming shot will spread to burn down almost all their the tower and wall defenses.
Ah so here's that alleged "Marquiss" episode that Jon was talking about in House Flipper
did not have time to fully watch it but gotta leave a like and a comment. Thank you for the great content john
I always found that 2 trebs per strat melted any enemies that attacked me or towers in cities I attacked. I even created a support army with 2 strats and Zhao Yun with 2 trebs each to initate attacks on cities while another army was reinforcement to see if it would work. Worked early to mid game, but late game it was better to have balanced armies that could operate solo during the 3 Kingdoms period.
Jon: "That doesn't feel fair!"
All is fair in love and war.
Marquess (ma rkwis) is the English version used in Great Britain, most of Europe spells it Marquis pronounced the French way. So two different words, and sounds , for the same thing, Its only used as an equivalent for an Imperial Chinese rank, as their rank system changed over dynasties.
You can't go Rong with Kong!
Or dong
@@dio2420 my dong is never rong
"dong is making a huge amount of money." -Jon, 2019
Would love to see Kong Rong's new wife command the army in the East
i love this series and wouldn't be offended by getting more episodes :D
Jon, you were right the first time, marquis is supposed to be pronounced mar-key.
'Mar-kwis' is the proper english pronounciation, dating from the napoleonic wars when we scrubbed all the frenchy-sounding words from english. Same reason we pronounce leightenant 'left-tenant.' Pretty sure most dictionaries list both pronounciations as correct.
Not according to every dictionary I could find from both the UK and the US - while Mar-kee is the original French, Mar-qwis is the commonly accepted version in British and American English.
Well you say Seleucid as Se-lay-us-sid instead of Se-loo-sid so why not say mar-kee instead of mar-qwis
@@ManyATrueNerd Fair enough. I last looked it up when Final Fantasy twelve came out, and people were slagging off the VA for pronouncing a character's title 'markwis'. I'm probably misremembering.
Checked wiktionary
(Received Pronunciation) IPA(key): /ˈmɑː.kwɪs/
(General American) IPA(key): /mɑɹ.ˈki/, /ˈmɑɹ.kwɪs/
So I suppose either is acceptable from an American perspective. Pronounce it however you wish.
Let sleeping Donglai.
Just FYI John, the Champion's hamstring ability also does ~3.8K "splash damage" and has a relatively short cooldown. It's worth it to use as much as possible, as it's a guaranteed hit.
Between Troizen and Cao Cao, I'm starting to believe Jon just enjoys messing with his viewers
It's worth noting that there's a small issue right now where Yuan Shao goes a bit crazy with vassels, absorbing everybody around him and most people seem to experience him becoming extremely powerful.
Also when you hover over a territory and it says "unknown", the faction in question may still control it. You just have no visibility.
Oh and demand surrender just let's you take cities without a fight if you outnumber them enough, but can only been done if there's an enemy general in the city.
Oh and I think faction heirs have to be inside your own faction, so marrying them off doesn't mean you'll inherit a faction. Plus the fact that people can just designate someone else as an heir.
Me in homeroom: ok i'm going to do my drama and design paperwork, if i get it started now i can gain momentum at home and hand it in before it's midnight deadline.
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YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG IVE WAITED FOR THIS!!
3 days?
Really? It felt longer.
loving this series!! Keep it up
Might be an idea to get trade monopolies not trade agreements, seeing as trade monopolies are much better for your faction. Also, demanding surrender is a great way to get territory without a fight.
Loving this
For the trade agreement I think enclaves do not count as a border. But You can trade with some that have trade ports as well if I am not mistaken there. It could be that they need to have a city on the water, not totally sure. I have just been playing myself.
"I'm surprised Yuan Shao has a border with him [Cao Cao]" No, no he doesn't. I was playing as Cao Cao, I hadn't done much, and Yuan Shao was no where near me but declared war. A couple of years later, I managed to get 2000 gold from him in the peace deal with no battles whatsoever.
Tao Qian spells more like Tao(ism) Chee-an, both in one sound
I love the way you talk about the law you should give the romance of the three kingdoms games out
Ahhhhh I was really looking forward to this!
In Three Kingdoms, spears are only anti-charge, not anti-cavalry generally. Any melee unit would have done to charge them with. You want to see cavalry REALLY melt, watch them charge set spears. I've seen units just cease to exist.
Is that a fish? 9:08
I have really been enjoying this series. SO HAPPY it is not WarHammer.
Peace, more like the War on Profits amirite
9:40 I always thought Marquis was pronounced "Mark", Jon. That's how I learned it, anyway.
You can fight whoever survives the mar-key vs mar-kwis fight.
@@ManyATrueNerd Main reason is because I was always told a "Letter of Marquis" (the letter given to Privateers by royal families/governments giving permission for what was essentially legal piracy) was pronounced as "Letter of Mark".
@@PaulZeroSolis That's letter of Marque not Marquis. But I do support Marquis being pronounced Mark
Jon, I think you're not considered to have a border with them because your new territory that borders them doesn't actually connect to your capital or the rest of your trade network. I might be entirely wrong about that, and you might need to simply wait a turn. But I'm pretty sure it's that your borders aren't connected.
You might not have the ability to trade because your core empire is not connected to the territory you have taken, Liu Dai's city is in the way.
Best series ever !!!
From what I have heard, He Yi is meant to be pronounced closer to Hur Yi and his friend He Man is Hur Man, but it is much more fun to call him He Man.
I am sure someone else already said it, but total war has this very frustrating rule that trade routes can only be done when both factions have their capital's connected. When you looked at that trade deal right after taking that one city, the newer city was not connected to the rest of your territory...frustrating, I know.
Dong is making huge amounts of money..... Lmao
Has total war ever had a mechanic that let you split an individual unit into two? Like taking a single unit of say horse archers and splitting them to sit on opposite sides of a line to get better coverage with their ammunition.
Every time I see “Pyrrhic victory” I get a little worried since I actually understand what that means strategically
Jon you can't trade with them since your new town aren't connected with your capital. The town and the capital need to be connected but it's broken cause of the territory you have military access in.
Jon! Just want to make sure you know, I believe the reason you can't trade with Yuan Shu is because you don't have a border connected to your capital connected to them.
Yeah, the tooltip explaining why you can't get a trade route is a really bad simplification. What you need is a connection from your capital to theirs. This can either be a contiguous route involving first your territory and then theirs, or if you both have trade ports, contiguous routes between each side's capital and their trade ports. Jon touched on this briefly when considering whether to peace out Don Min, but it's VERY worth knowing whether the other trade ports are on the map if you have one yourself. You can potentially send out a scout general with minimal retinue to make contact, opening up trade partners that don't block your expansion. The natural targets for this are Gongsun Zan and Sun Jian/Sun Ce/Sun Quan - both of them far away from most factions, but owning trade ports.
Have you considered that you don't have trade access because your territories are cut off and the territory that you're adjacent to Cao Cao doesn't have resource production?
Marquis is the french pronunciation. It derives from the french word delimiting the territories that "mark" the borders. In portuguese, the world is Marquês (with a similar pronunciation) and the word "marca" it's literally "mark".
Who wouldn't want guerrilla deployment on a trebuchet?
I think a wise plan of action would be to bring your wife into your army since she would benefit from her traits alot more on the battlefield. Tao Quan also could be a valuable ally, and finally making sure that all your generals have the highest quality weapons and armor could benefit them greatly on the battlefield.
You should also try to take the island of Taiwan to gain access to the trade of tea which is more abundant in the south of China. Taiwan is a long ways away so it shouldn't be a priority but it could be interesting
Oh and also try to get a spy into the han empire so that you could possibly get the ability to turn any legendary characters they have to your side
Nice.
I'm never going to get over that city being named Dong
There's a character named Cao Pi (not pronounced how you think, but still)
Kong Rong best name in the game
So Jon, how many trade routes do you have now? Maybe the whole "both sides need an open trade route" is the limiting factor. Likely you do not have an open trade route due to attempting to trade with everyone you meet? That said I do not know if Kong Rong has any special thing that gives him more trade routes.
You should use the demand surrender after beating the army when they sally out
Don't trust Yuan Shu. If you are the Han loyalist you deemed Kong Ring to be, Yuan Shu is a traitor by later declaring himself emperor, even though he wasn't part of the Imperial family and that the Emperor himself is still alive.
Fun fact: some legionaries strayed and they wandered until they reached a little town in china where they settled; to this day the population of that town has western traits and genetic analisys confirm thay have a part of italic DNA
untrue, the sources has bascially said any weird DNA was from trade not legionaries.
Hi, Jon. You seem to not use Rongs special diplomatic action. I would enjoy the series more if you would. It is called trade monopoly and is an alternative to the trade agreement. Thanks!
its definitely "mark-ee" at least in england ¬_¬ also please tell me you changed that trade agreement into a trade monopoly to boost your influence! D: Also keep an eye out for the repeating crossbows their stats look crap but they are great for close front line support due to the suppression effect that cause just it doesn't show up on their panel beyond a vague description (think whistling arrows but much stronger and doesn't effect your units like in previous Total Wars)
WAS WAITING FOR THIS❤️
Hey is this game allow you to create custom hero/general that you can see in battle?
Oh jon, I don't think he has a single trade monopoly
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John, the pronounciation of cao cao is not "sOW sOW" and more like "tsaw tsaw". Imagine the end hiss of "thaTS" and "aww" put together