I miss Rotti, Tasteless or Artosis. A good game, but in my opinion, Feardragon is a pain in the butt ..., far away to comment such games. Nathan need a second good caster on his side, so ... the commentary would so much better.
Well, as an player, i loved his games. In my Opinion, he was insane. As an commentator he know what he is talking about, because of his knowledge of the game. Sometimes hard ... So, it is 50/50, depends also on his daily form as a commentator :D
Agreed. I absolutely CANNOT stand Ravi/Feardragon. He's a clueless, cringy, annoying twat. He needs the boot. The only reason I didn't skip out on this video was because it's the Grand Final. Otherwise I skip every single Ravi commentary.
i found them annoying as well. you really need someone on the caster that is a pro gamer with top reasonable gained knowledge. Tastosis is so frustrating annoying every time i hear them, i literally rather have any other caster combo than them. btw. even when i dont notice its them i am "thats some terrible casting they are missing so much and talking so little about the actual game
You say serral is ”behind” at 5:30 mark with 1-2 drones. You forgot Serral got way more gas and way faster extracter chambers making him get superious gas income just by saccing 2 drones. Which he was ”behind”. Well ZvZ is probably the most predictable gameplay among all races facing eachown. They are just 2 different strategies resulting in slight variations in builder order, eg. Can get mass mutalisks very fast or something else. 2 good players playing ZvZvs eachother is very exciting and it is actually very complicated games like for all the races. But build a few more drones (5 lul) and there Will be a nydus and 7roaches in ur base at 4:00 mark :^) Havent watched vid yea tho, good luck to both great players!
Zerg are so OP right now so it will be. They have the best air, best casters, best ground, best econ. They're only behind on harass potential and they can compensate with good map control and runbys.
I couldn't even finish watching this. I was so excited to see this rivalry and you trashed it, Nathanius. Just be a nice guy and focus on the game or quit.
WCS needs a bigger talent pool. Having like three casters really isn't enough. They should also bring back dedicated observers who aren't stuck trying to cast, entertain a conversation with the other caster and not miss anything in the game at the same time. Two dedicated casters makes for much more coherent casting and a better viewing experience.
"Nathanius" is the root of the commentating problems with this whole tournament! The same awkward bickering happens whenever HE is a commentator. He's ruined the viewers' experience while working with other commentators, too. Perhaps they don't know how to brush him off maturely and professionally, but unquestionably HE is the core problem, and whoever is in charge had better let this guy go FAST. He's poison for their operation. He's an unprofessional, immature little man with a LOT of rage inside that he tries to hide with crappy, adolescent "humor". He's more of a joke than his jokes are, and he makes everyone around him miserable (not the least of which are the other commentators forced to work with him - but nobody suffers more than the viewers). Hey, Nathanius, you're not cut out for the big leagues! When will you realize that your job is to COMPLIMENT Starcraft II for the viewers... not to display your own personality to the world (or lack thereof)? Until you learn to make it less about YOU, and more about the game, you do not deserve the seat you hold.
Haven't watched the series yet but InControl was also pretty annoying and negative during the Serral vs Lambo game...wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes since Feardragon is the common denominator.
Well, when i work with retarded people, i treat them in the same way inc and nath treat feardragon. They are retarded, u cannot do anything to change them.
He's that kind of a person, and especially with feardragon and his overhyping it makes him look very "bad". + well they casted like 6 zvz matches that day so yea, booring. It's not i like nathan - it's just i completely hate on feardragon for his cringyness.
Please calm down with the extreme reaction. As others have said, feardragon is the common denominator, often says things that are plain wrong, leaving the co-caster unsure what to do. Nate is not an angry little man. He's known as the passion god! You don't have to like his casting, you can ignore tons of other great casts, and the fact that many people enjoy his and Geoff's dry humor, but don't attack someone's character.
Both Nathan and InControl are aggressive and overall hostile to Feardragon all the time. You can see they don't really like the guy at all. They should change the caster, even if Zombiegrub or even Lowko aren't as experienced in large events, their comments are far more intelligent and acuarte than Feardragon, and maybe this little bickering ends.
Remove Incontrol and Nathanias for Future casts he is nothing but a bully.. You could tell by the streams it made Feardragon uncomfortable multiple times and simply put he is toxic.. Step it up SC2 it makes your scene look bad!
they are both really bad. need an pro player instead of this. personally, i find almost everything about Nathan's attitude when casting provoking and his ability and casting, in general, is not good at all so.. yer, just want to hear some pro's talk about the game instead of this bs.
Come on give him a chance I hated him in the start but he is actually on point of the games and history. The other casters are actually amazed he knows so much. Btw he is a computer engineer and develops software from what I have heard on the other cast with incontrol. The part where he types and looks at incontrol at the same time. Thats where the discussion opens up
That "Golden Age Skin Set" is totally over designed techno-craptaculous... If the BC's didn't float, I couldn't tell the difference between them and a tank.
Moment when u realize most of the comments are about bad commentators... They should both shut up and let winterstarcraft cast the game. At least it would be fun and easy to watch. These two clearly can't stand each other and are ruining SCII experience for viewers.
I have an idea WHY they keep feardragon as a caster. Cos he is brown! And Blizzard needs to show that their casters are not all male Caucasian. They already have a girl and now we have a brown Indian guy. So he will stay here forever, unfortunately.
Lol why do you have to make it about skintone? Maybe, just MAYBE it's all in your head and he's not so bad? Why would it take them SO many years to hire one if they cared so much?
Yeah, maybe, just maybe the earth is flat and Jesus was born from a virgin impregnated by his divine dad. But I like to stick to the facts, rational thinking and trust my judgment. Those maybes can lead you to anything.
@@visceraljourney Facts? That's ironic because your statement is the opposite of factual, it's an assumption. I'll wait here for proof that Blizzard hired and keeps Feardragon because of the tone of his skin. Take your time.
Nope. It's mirror match. U have to use ur best units, to be most efficient. And roach/ravager have best dmg/hp/per cost pool in the game. It's like pvp is about who has more stalkers/immo and tvt is about who has more marine/tank/liberator. Mirror matches ARE booring. Of course u can try do something alse, but in the meantime u have to have enough units so the other person doesn't crush you.
Serral just looks so formidable on the cover :
Why does Feardragon keep cutting him off 31:50
He needs to be replaced
Nathan Looks pissed tbh
he certainly is! :)) this is real sad, and it was the finals that got casted by him...
Dont really like his voice either tbh :S
Serral doesn't know about the spire... (meanwhile Serral has 4 spores in the production tab)
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@TheMrberrybanana Changeling at 1:12:21 spots it
first game at 3:30
Legend
I miss Rotti, Tasteless or Artosis. A good game, but in my opinion, Feardragon is a pain in the butt ..., far away to comment such games.
Nathan need a second good caster on his side, so ... the commentary would so much better.
no reason to make it worse -_-
Well, as an player, i loved his games. In my Opinion, he was insane. As an commentator he know what he is talking about, because of his knowledge of the game. Sometimes hard ...
So, it is 50/50, depends also on his daily form as a commentator :D
Agreed. I absolutely CANNOT stand Ravi/Feardragon. He's a clueless, cringy, annoying twat. He needs the boot.
The only reason I didn't skip out on this video was because it's the Grand Final. Otherwise I skip every single Ravi commentary.
feardragon = worst caster
nathan 2nd worst caster...
loved the deep Star Wars dive lol.
Casters seems like they are fighting and bickering at each other the whole time. Like wtf.
i found them annoying as well. you really need someone on the caster that is a pro gamer with top reasonable gained knowledge.
Tastosis is so frustrating annoying every time i hear them, i literally rather have any other caster combo than them. btw. even when i dont notice its them i am "thats some terrible casting they are missing so much and talking so little about the actual game
nice meme, bit old though
I appreciate both accurate relevant game commentary and entertaining off-topic talk. Jokes like that were neither...
There is obviously sexual tension between these two.
These two are the worst casters.
These two casters had a lot of awkwards moments.
You say serral is ”behind” at 5:30 mark with 1-2 drones.
You forgot Serral got way more gas and way faster extracter chambers making him get superious gas income just by saccing 2 drones.
Which he was ”behind”. Well ZvZ is probably the most predictable gameplay among all races facing eachown.
They are just 2 different strategies resulting in slight variations in builder order, eg.
Can get mass mutalisks very fast or something else.
2 good players playing ZvZvs eachother is very exciting and it is actually very complicated games like for all the races.
But build a few more drones (5 lul) and there Will be a nydus and 7roaches in ur base at 4:00 mark :^)
Havent watched vid yea tho, good luck to both great players!
Holy mother of god, i hope blizzcon wont be a ZvZ fest...
Zerg are so OP right now so it will be. They have the best air, best casters, best ground, best econ. They're only behind on harass potential and they can compensate with good map control and runbys.
You kidding me mate? Zs are getting creamed in Korea right now... in fact there hasn't even been a Z GSL winner in LotV yet.
As long as zerg late game is that op ZvZ is the only thing we 're gonna see
@@fuzzwobble go watch GSL then. No zergs there
@@draen13 yea, only when u watch NA noobs that dont know how to play to their race's strengths.
1:14:40 wow so unprofessional. These guys have one job!
hahhah for me that made me laugh xD
Why did they change colors after the first map?? Very weird
i was wondering that lol
The casting made this really unwatchable, at least the comments gave me a laugh.
I dont want more of commentary than giving me a laugh
at the break after the third game Nathanias looked SUPER EXCITED.... lmao
I just got around to watching this.... and yes, I agree, this is pretty much unwatchable because of the casters
within korea - zergs getting crushed like bugs
outside korea - zergs crushed everything like bugs
U mean, foreign zerg crush everything in korea like bugs.
WCS needs to look at the overall theme of the comments: the commentators need to be more professional. Please address this issue!
never bother with poor un-constructive negative comments.
Why isn't Lowko casting this instead???
I couldn't even finish watching this. I was so excited to see this rivalry and you trashed it, Nathanius. Just be a nice guy and focus on the game or quit.
WCS needs a bigger talent pool. Having like three casters really isn't enough. They should also bring back dedicated observers who aren't stuck trying to cast, entertain a conversation with the other caster and not miss anything in the game at the same time. Two dedicated casters makes for much more coherent casting and a better viewing experience.
I didn't dislike the casting. Though I think Feardragon and Zombiegrub work better together.
"Nathanius" is the root of the commentating problems with this whole tournament! The same awkward bickering happens whenever HE is a commentator. He's ruined the viewers' experience while working with other commentators, too. Perhaps they don't know how to brush him off maturely and professionally, but unquestionably HE is the core problem, and whoever is in charge had better let this guy go FAST. He's poison for their operation. He's an unprofessional, immature little man with a LOT of rage inside that he tries to hide with crappy, adolescent "humor". He's more of a joke than his jokes are, and he makes everyone around him miserable (not the least of which are the other commentators forced to work with him - but nobody suffers more than the viewers). Hey, Nathanius, you're not cut out for the big leagues! When will you realize that your job is to COMPLIMENT Starcraft II for the viewers... not to display your own personality to the world (or lack thereof)? Until you learn to make it less about YOU, and more about the game, you do not deserve the seat you hold.
Haven't watched the series yet but InControl was also pretty annoying and negative during the Serral vs Lambo game...wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes since Feardragon is the common denominator.
Well, when i work with retarded people, i treat them in the same way inc and nath treat feardragon. They are retarded, u cannot do anything to change them.
its weird how uninterested and bored nathanius looks though right?
He's that kind of a person, and especially with feardragon and his overhyping it makes him look very "bad". + well they casted like 6 zvz matches that day so yea, booring. It's not i like nathan - it's just i completely hate on feardragon for his cringyness.
Please calm down with the extreme reaction. As others have said, feardragon is the common denominator, often says things that are plain wrong, leaving the co-caster unsure what to do. Nate is not an angry little man. He's known as the passion god! You don't have to like his casting, you can ignore tons of other great casts, and the fact that many people enjoy his and Geoff's dry humor, but don't attack someone's character.
A NEW HOPE! @serral
Too me it seems like they are both tired maybe jet lag idk but in the beginning it definitely seemed like they were grumpy with eachother
Z v z so boring. Ravagers and roaches zzzz
Agreed. It's the worst mirror matchup.
Games with terran are the best tk watch. Great intensity.
that looks like Serral loose first two rounds on purpose ... for more pressure and intensity (of this training :D )
Both Nathan and InControl are aggressive and overall hostile to Feardragon all the time. You can see they don't really like the guy at all. They should change the caster, even if Zombiegrub or even Lowko aren't as experienced in large events, their comments are far more intelligent and acuarte than Feardragon, and maybe this little bickering ends.
You should see my friends and I blasting each other when we meet. Sounds friendly to me.
Well, every1 would do the same with feardragon as cohost. I mean, just look at him, just listen to him...His very being makes me hostile.
Ninja Hussar lol
personally it makes me like feardragon more- Nathan just comes off as rude.
they are just teasing I guess lol
minute 7:38 suply 194 but me minute 20 suply 120
Remove Incontrol and Nathanias for Future casts he is nothing but a bully.. You could tell by the streams it made Feardragon uncomfortable multiple times and simply put he is toxic.. Step it up SC2 it makes your scene look bad!
Do you listen to feardragon ? Every word he speaks makes toxic blood burn in your veins.
Agree, feardragon is full time cringe.
motojustin4 Just Nathan. Incontrol is actually funny and if anything teases people a little.
Nathanianus is horrible, just horrible.
Cringe level over 9999
Z vs Z. love mirror matches
Hire Pig to cast full time already. Feardragon is the worst.
I watch these tournaments for the commentary. It is better than Serral's amazing gameplay. Makes the NFL look lame.
What's everyone here talking about? At least the casters are having fun.
Funny how comentators dont give any chance to ,,the guy serral is facing".
Serral is the MVZ
Stoop kids afraid to leave his stoop!
"North American SC2 GURU" says it all...
Zarya, is that you?
i hate feardragons casting
Low IQ caster with an extremely annoying strident voice.
Literally keeps cutting him off 31:50
they are both really bad. need an pro player instead of this.
personally, i find almost everything about Nathan's attitude when casting provoking and his ability and casting, in general, is not good at all so.. yer,
just want to hear some pro's talk about the game instead of this bs.
Nate is a decent caster, hes probably annoyed having to deal with feardragon
Come on give him a chance I hated him in the start but he is actually on point of the games and history. The other casters are actually amazed he knows so much. Btw he is a computer engineer and develops software from what I have heard on the other cast with incontrol. The part where he types and looks at incontrol at the same time. Thats where the discussion opens up
Can't stand Feardragon's casting
horrible casting
FearDragon keeps cutting him off. 31:50
That "Golden Age Skin Set" is totally over designed techno-craptaculous... If the BC's didn't float, I couldn't tell the difference between them and a tank.
I'm a simple man, I see Nathanius commentating, I close the tab.
man the toxicity in our city in our city
Spoiler: Zergs Won!
ZvZ is awsome
Moment when u realize most of the comments are about bad commentators... They should both shut up and let winterstarcraft cast the game. At least it would be fun and easy to watch. These two clearly can't stand each other and are ruining SCII experience for viewers.
Winter is also a douchebag and his snobby voice is on feardragon level.
The commentary on all these sc videos is so lame lol. Get some 1 that can focus on the gameplay and what is actually happening or relevant
Don't feel like I missed anything and I don't even play sc2
ZVZ IS SO BORING
It was Tank, not Dozer! Get it right you blue pillers!
what happened to Incholesterol
:)
I hate feardragon
BRING BACK ROTTERDAM
serral is "numero uno"!!! feardragon's nickname should be patty cake
4 minutes in to game one i realize I cannot watch this due to horrible casting. :/
The casting is REALLY annoying. Ruining the fun. 1/10
Feardragon much more professional imo
Homessional
When is FEARDRAGON gonna show us what's in his pocket?
Dont even have to watch. Let me guess serral went the OP roaches and ravengers and made some cheesy burrow play for the win?
Feardragons so terrible in casting.
What can you expect from an indian.
they are both really bad. need an pro player instead of this
Jew and indian, perfect combo for famous austrian aquarelist.
Give it time...he'll get better...hopefully..
@@vyzion .Nah If you working with Indian people you will know,they never get better...
i hope we get Rotti, Tasteless and Artosis in Montreal...even tod is better...look at the supply!!!!
the casters are a horrible match up!!!!!!!
I have an idea WHY they keep feardragon as a caster. Cos he is brown! And Blizzard needs to show that their casters are not all male Caucasian. They already have a girl and now we have a brown Indian guy. So he will stay here forever, unfortunately.
Pretty much this. I bet in witcher by netflix we will meet black witchers.
Lol why do you have to make it about skintone? Maybe, just MAYBE it's all in your head and he's not so bad? Why would it take them SO many years to hire one if they cared so much?
Yeah, maybe, just maybe the earth is flat and Jesus was born from a virgin impregnated by his divine dad. But I like to stick to the facts, rational thinking and trust my judgment. Those maybes can lead you to anything.
@@visceraljourney Facts? That's ironic because your statement is the opposite of factual, it's an assumption. I'll wait here for proof that Blizzard hired and keeps Feardragon because of the tone of his skin. Take your time.
nerf zerg
I love feardragon
If I spent most of my day job bickering with my colleagues like this, I'd been fired long ago. Unwatchable. Perhaps Lowko casted these...
Get Sean "Day9" Plott back!! These clowns are a disgrace!
I won’t even watch this: I have suffered enough of the terrible commentating & can’t take any more.
CutYouOffDragon
unwatchable
yah cant even watch it the casting is terrible
pretty terrible chemistry between the casters
So I guess roach ravager is the only real meta in ZvZ anymore..? Kinda boring.
Nope. It's mirror match. U have to use ur best units, to be most efficient. And roach/ravager have best dmg/hp/per cost pool in the game. It's like pvp is about who has more stalkers/immo and tvt is about who has more marine/tank/liberator. Mirror matches ARE booring. Of course u can try do something alse, but in the meantime u have to have enough units so the other person doesn't crush you.
Feardragon sucks.
JES"US CHRI"ST RETUR'NS, REPENT OF SIN AND CHA'NGE YOUR WAY OF LIV"ING
And his name is Serral
@Manuel Delgado hail satan
المخلص فقط JESUS Why do constantly comment on Starcraft videos
Starcraft is the devil's video game.