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I don't know who made the ship specs for the Expanse TV but they are silly. Truman 376m long and 110m wide. 2D model (8:24) photo, will show 125m width, and 132m "depth" (dorsal to ventral) in proportion with 376m length. Then in proportion with PDCs, length is 376m only if those 40mm six barrel cannons with back mounted turret domes are about 3.5m long, sure, except that guns like that will "be super very lucky" if somehow can fit inside of 4.5m.. So other than scale being stated inaccurate, really bad part is that no matter the actual scale, ship's own proportions are stated inaccurately too, cause no one bothered to actually measure the model for its proportions. And all that, sad as it is, was accepted as "official TV lore"...
"You have a hundred bullets, I have a hundred and one men. He will walk up to you over the pile of corpses and shove a potato down your throat, because we did not give him a grenade."
A few things for an otherwise great episode. 1) Exposed piping, and wire actually is sound design. In modern warships, unless it is neccessary, most components and lines are exposed for easier repair. In starships this makes even more sense as locking things behind panels would increase complexity of the design, costs to manufacture the panels, and add unnecessary weight whic would force compromises in other areas of design or exponentially increase the cost to maintain similar performance witha more complex and/or larger vessel. 2. Nano silicate lace isn't the biomechanical nano organism. Research derived from the protomolecule would actually be beneficial as mabipulating matter ar the level of the builder's shows a level of sophistication that would allow even basic objects to perform better, so a lighter but stronger armor, with a better elasticity than steel(which is one of the major reasons it is in use over titanium even though titanium is lighter). 3) Generally speaking, because of the quirks of our naval heritage and history, the Trumans are her, not him. I don't why but craft are given female pronouns, just another funny naval tradition.
Refering to #3, some ships are referred to as "he" by their captains or crews to exemplify their great power and prowess (ex. Bismark, Moskva, etc). Due to the Truman class ships being the largest and most powerful of the UNN, some ships being called "he" is fitting. Great points on the rest.
@@beepbeepbananas 'he' is generally the Russian and German navies. Most other navies use 'she' for not only warships, but all vessels from a rowboat to a battleship.
@@michaelfrank2951 They're not superstitions, the sea gods are very specific. Same reason you never ever want to be on a ship that's been renamed, bad shit happens to them.
Actually seeing a Donnager Class versus a Truman Class would prove interesting. Then a fleet fight. Because 1 v 1 is not as common, however, a standard UN group fighting an MCRN group with each around it's BB Cap ship would prove educational as the individual vessels go to specialist roles.
Comment to remind myself. Cache idea for future. This is a cool idea, and I might make A ficticious Battle Breakdown or adapt a fleet battle from the expanse during the Earth-Mars war. Because it would be very cool.
@jamesricker3997 I don't think the Trumans could survive the stealth ships. The Donny was the most advance amd largest ship in the system. Granted it had a mostly green crew but still if the donny had the same crew experience as an average Truman does or had a commander like Nguyen instead of the one it did during the ambush they would've definitely crushed the ambush
Apparently the Truman-class was one of the ships with the most existing lore, but Spacedock did fill in a few gaps like the model names for the PDCs and Railguns
Of all the ships in the Expanse, Earth ships will hunt you down through Endurance, because the people of earth grew up in 1G. So ... Earth fleet is the Michael Myers of space.
About that exposed piping and cabling on the inside of the Truman.... I mean, wouldn't that make it extremely easy to repair and make sense? What's the difference whether it is covered or not? It isn't going to stop any kind of battle damage, and if it WERE covered, then got damaged, it would be a hell of a lot harder to get to and fix. I think that exposed wiring, piping, and data cabling is a feature, not a bug. And it's like that on the ISS for exactly the reasons I mentioned (Ease of access and repair, not battle reasons. Because we don't, you know...actually have space warfare. YET.). This is just my two very silly cents. Still loved the video! :)
@@justinwainwright5069 Same with Civilian ships. Usually not in the public parts but in the engine parts of something like a cruise you'll see much of it exposed.
There seems to be some confusion about the wealth of Earth in the show. Yes there is a lot of poverty on Earth but there is also some obscene wealth on the planet (especially since most of the mega corporations are based on earth). The real issue is that the more old equipment one has the higher the maintenance costs climb. Earth could develop some serious weaponry but it would require them to retire a good portion of the fleet to do it and that would seriously degrade their capabilities for a decade or two.
I was training to be a pilot for a while when I was younger so I'm very familiar with 2G you would not want to even attempt normal living at 2G for a sustained time. But I'm pretty sure 1.2g would be relatively comfortable for anyone healthy and fit enough to join the UNN.
So hear me out... the Rocinante was shown to be able to land on a planet with no issues. Maybe... maybe it was designed to be aerodynamic so that it would have an easier time invading earth and returning to orbit!
Thank you for your hard work fellas, Science Insanity is amazing. Found you through the battletech videos and since then you've gone on to cover multiple other universes I absolutely love, now including expanse. It means a lot to have content such as yours, that covers lore in depth for universes that aren't that well known.
11:03 No, actually the human body can withstand about 3 g's indefitely. You would need diapers, cause at that gravity, when you notice you need to go, you already went. And eating would be very dangerous. So racing and slowing down, from 5 to 1 g's, is a better (and more dignified) option. Above 6 g's is already dangerous, you last 15-30 minutes. 10 g's you are dead in 15 seconds.
The ratio of Donnagers to Trumans is slightly more absurd. There were only a few Donnagers. Carcassonne, Bellerophon, Hotspur, Bellaire, Donnager, Icaria Planum, Barkeith (shut up), Sagarmatha 😢, Schiaparelli, Firebrand, Harman Dae-Jung, Armstrong. Errinwright said UNN had a 5 to 1 advantage in ships, I imagine it would also apply to Dreadnoughts.
Good video Canadian! Keep it going. Steve is in for a ride with the protomolecule. From Miller to people wallpaper. Plz cook his noodle a little about whole locality thing.
Also, it's hilarious when people talk about railguns like they're some be all end all technology that you could never conceivably design an armor package to defeat. Honestly, I think it's one of the most annoying things in sci-fi. Like a top of the line, modern tank round is almost impossible to stop at close range with a tank that weighs an amount that allows it to you know move. Until you start adding technology like ERA, and metal foam(publicly disclosed composite isn't actually that good against APFSDS) But the dynamics of a metal rod with x material properties at y velocity hitting a plate with z material properties is something we understand pretty well. Like yes, the velocity can complicate things. But if it's a fictional universe with massive fusion drives that burn at 1G continuously that has had rail guns for like 100 years and no one has developed an effective armor at least for the most crucial areas of a ship that's kind of weird.
@@d3ltaohniner261 yeah obviously It's going to weigh more and the rocket equation is a heartless mistress. But in a world here the biggest warship's burning at 1g casually that can push 4g or more I'm not concerned about their ability to add a bit more fuel to get similar performance with greater protection. And no small part of my point is just trying to mention that where railguns are a substantial improvement over modern chemical guns It's probably possible to armor against them with modern materials. Not to mention the materials that exist in a setting where fusion is in regular use. I'm just kind of tired of railguns being treated as unstoppable hit scan weapons that just punch a hole through anything they hit, maybe not even causing any other damage. It's just very uncreative and cliche. And seems like everyone's just citing some other work that handled rail guns that way without actually trying to figure out how they might work. Idk I'm super sleep deprived while I'm writing this so might not make any sense
@@larsmurdochkalsta8808 A bit late to the party but I very much agree. It is very annoying that there never seems to be much of an attempt in scifi to make armor packages/methods that can limit the damage or nullify the damage a railgun shot could cause. Same for the plasma warheads in the missiles. If anything, the spaceships might be even more resilient bastards than most modern naval ships just due to their environment and construction. Modern ships can have their keel broken by detonating a missile underneath the ship (causes a bubble, pushes ship up unevenly, causes it to crash down unevenly, bam, it splits). In space this wouldnt be a big issue. There also isnt a GIANT issue in space in regards to overall size of the craft. Multiple layers of spaced armor would probably do very well to combat most explosives. Why do they also only have engines stationed at the rear pointing back? I know its unorthodox but would it be good to have at least a small pair of dedicated braking thrusters? Sure they wouldnt be used a lot of the time but being able to withdraw without having to expose the engines would probably be pretty good. An equivalent of reusable flares, to get away from a bad engagement. ALSO, why do the torps/missiles in the expanse (and lots of other scifi stuff) have a limited range? Cant they just launch the torp, let it float for a bit, then activate the engine? Meh. At the end of the day its still fun Id think.
@@Loregamorl yeah, spaced armor would probably be a pretty solid answer to railguns as well as that's pretty much how micrometeor armor works. It hits one layer any angle relative to the armor gets exacerbated, so it hits the next armor at a shallower angle increasing the relative thickness of the armor and so on until the energy is spent. To be fair they have that to some extent with multiple hulls but this would be a bit more specialized. I think in the expanse at least the answer to a lot of these questions, comes down to cost. Though if you read the books that kind of changes in the last three along with much of space combat. Retrograde drives are also pretty sick, I know some universes have them and some don't. I imagine it kind of depends on if the speed of combat in that universe allows you to flip and burn or not, and whether or not the creator considered that. The torpedoes having a range has always confused me a little bit. Like if they're going to spend the time and money to put an Epstein drive on them it seems like it should almost not be a question that they will have enough fuel to transport such a light payload wherever it needs to go to intercept something with humans in it. I know that part of it in universe is that within a certain range torpedoes will always hit, but to me that seemed backwards It seems like missiles should have that shit probability that goes up the longer they've been accelerating, and only kinetics should require you to close. But it might be something about that speed making it harder for the missiles to dodge PDC fire. 🤔 Regardless, a fascinating universe that asks many questions
I just re-watched the Expanse & its even BETTER the 2nd viewing! Plus having read all the books im confident we will get the last 3 books added to the tv series...😊
So, UNN ships have crew from the moon onboard which frequently lowers their max acceleration and outside that they limit their cruising speed to save on fuel when travelling. Though they can generally win in a sprint. And those side bits on the hammerhead? Those are hangars for its 6 dropship skiffs and other large skiff to let it get its marines on point quickly.
Best thing when people start arguing about aerodynamics on spaceships is that people are arguing about the wrong field of study. If you're talking about putting a spaceship in atmosphere. Like it's technically just hypersonic aerodynamics. But if I remember correctly, it's called something like thermofluid dynamics. Because essentially you're slamming the air so hard it turns into plasma which has an entirely different set of properties both physical and electromagnetic than even supersonic flight regimes.
The numbers thing is even worse, there are like 9 donnagers at the start of the show, maybe 11 by the end, the UNN had a minimum of like 70 at the start of the show and even more by the end of it
Well, in Expanse universe, there are some ships, wich are expected to LAND on Earth-like planets, therefore they NEED to have some restrictions on the drag...
Surprisingly, enough, a Truman class battleship was better suited for the way space combat turned out and its Martian counterparts. Its larger PDS and larger Marine compliment were wise decisions.
Those are not called "Technicals" though, the Belter warships would fall under the category of Q-ships. Different name, same idea, just as terrible. Some of those old things even mounted battleship guns on crappy cargo boats.
As a viewer I too want to read out the patrons names. David G the original Augie 11 bravo Crunchie Terry Higgins Pedro Munoz David G the other One Silencer Vox Apollyon
The Martian military is not small, all Martians serve 20 years and considering the high birth rates and young population, they prolly have a billion in uniform.
As someone who didn't watch The Expanse due to still not having gotten to the books in my pile of shame, that joke is unironically the first thing I thought of when hearing the name "Epstein Drive" for the first time. I assumed that I was going to get clubbed to death by rabid Expanse fans if I ever said it though.
Books drop off drastically after Laconia arrives. To me especially irritating was the part where authors couldn't stop themselves to absolutely spit at human behaviours related to relationships. And some bullshit connected to that whole treaty after belter terror attacks.
reality of 'soviet style' : once the war actually got going and the soviets got off the defensive, the red army was, at its largest, comparable in size to the wehrmacht, better armed than the wehrmacht, better trained, and better led, than the wehrmacht. the 'soviet zerg rush' myth is exactly that, a myth. the red army was a competent, well equipped, and particularly importantly - a well LED, force that won its fight on that basis, not some horde of relative barbarians where you had to pick up a gun from the dead guy that originally had it, like they get portrayed as by most westerners. western nations just have an ideological inability to concede that the red army wasn't inferior, because if they admit the reality, it becomes harder for them to claim all the credit that should rightfully go to the red army.
It was pushed by the Germans who surrendered to the Allies to excuse why they lost to their 'inferiors'. Problem was though the Western Allies brought too much into the tales told to them by the angry now Western Germans and so made the mistake of creating up scenarios and war strategies for NATO that required and assumed the Soviets where just a red horde and the fictional zerg rush of myth told by the Germans. This has been looked at post Cold War and many experts and historians now are coming round to the fact that the Red Army was no zerg rushing mindless force, and in a Cold War gone hot Scenario NATO would have severly been beaten or at least had the fight of it's live on it's hands.
Well... T34 was an absolute letdown and soviet supply line were less than stellar to the point where they had tanks but infantrys gear, tank ammo, fuel and FOOD were an afterthought.
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I don't know who made the ship specs for the Expanse TV but they are silly. Truman 376m long and 110m wide. 2D model (8:24) photo, will show 125m width, and 132m "depth" (dorsal to ventral) in proportion with 376m length. Then in proportion with PDCs, length is 376m only if those 40mm six barrel cannons with back mounted turret domes are about 3.5m long, sure, except that guns like that will "be super very lucky" if somehow can fit inside of 4.5m..
So other than scale being stated inaccurate, really bad part is that no matter the actual scale, ship's own proportions are stated inaccurately too, cause no one bothered to actually measure the model for its proportions. And all that, sad as it is, was accepted as "official TV lore"...
"You have a hundred bullets, I have a hundred and one men. He will walk up to you over the pile of corpses and shove a potato down your throat, because we did not give him a grenade."
A few things for an otherwise great episode.
1) Exposed piping, and wire actually is sound design. In modern warships, unless it is neccessary, most components and lines are exposed for easier repair. In starships this makes even more sense as locking things behind panels would increase complexity of the design, costs to manufacture the panels, and add unnecessary weight whic would force compromises in other areas of design or exponentially increase the cost to maintain similar performance witha more complex and/or larger vessel.
2. Nano silicate lace isn't the biomechanical nano organism. Research derived from the protomolecule would actually be beneficial as mabipulating matter ar the level of the builder's shows a level of sophistication that would allow even basic objects to perform better, so a lighter but stronger armor, with a better elasticity than steel(which is one of the major reasons it is in use over titanium even though titanium is lighter).
3) Generally speaking, because of the quirks of our naval heritage and history, the Trumans are her, not him. I don't why but craft are given female pronouns, just another funny naval tradition.
Refering to #3, some ships are referred to as "he" by their captains or crews to exemplify their great power and prowess (ex. Bismark, Moskva, etc). Due to the Truman class ships being the largest and most powerful of the UNN, some ships being called "he" is fitting. Great points on the rest.
Trumans are bois! (Why? Cus!)
@@beepbeepbananas 'he' is generally the Russian and German navies.
Most other navies use 'she' for not only warships, but all vessels from a rowboat to a battleship.
#3 goes back to naval superstitions. it is a fun space to enter if you are ever bored.
@@michaelfrank2951 They're not superstitions, the sea gods are very specific. Same reason you never ever want to be on a ship that's been renamed, bad shit happens to them.
I love how we feel so nostalgic for a ship that existed 300 years in the future
Actually seeing a Donnager Class versus a Truman Class would prove interesting.
Then a fleet fight.
Because 1 v 1 is not as common, however, a standard UN group fighting an MCRN group with each around it's BB Cap ship would prove educational as the individual vessels go to specialist roles.
Comment to remind myself. Cache idea for future.
This is a cool idea, and I might make A ficticious Battle Breakdown or adapt a fleet battle from the expanse during the Earth-Mars war. Because it would be very cool.
A Donnager would be better one on one,a Truman class battleship beats it in every other category. A Truman could have won the Stealth Ship ambush
@jamesricker3997 I don't think the Trumans could survive the stealth ships. The Donny was the most advance amd largest ship in the system. Granted it had a mostly green crew but still if the donny had the same crew experience as an average Truman does or had a commander like Nguyen instead of the one it did during the ambush they would've definitely crushed the ambush
Most of the lore for this ship was written by Spacedock wasn't it?
I believe the names of the weapon producers and some of the statistics but a very small amount did come from the book last I check
Though the spacedock vids were made alongside the authors so it is tv canon
Apparently the Truman-class was one of the ships with the most existing lore, but Spacedock did fill in a few gaps like the model names for the PDCs and Railguns
@@A-Legitimate-Salvage but it is alongside the writers so it is canon
@@A-Legitimate-Salvage More TV shows should do stuff like that, let fans who know what they're doing fill in the little gaps.
Of all the ships in the Expanse, Earth ships will hunt you down through Endurance, because the people of earth grew up in 1G.
So ... Earth fleet is the Michael Myers of space.
That, or Mr. X!
About that exposed piping and cabling on the inside of the Truman.... I mean, wouldn't that make it extremely easy to repair and make sense? What's the difference whether it is covered or not? It isn't going to stop any kind of battle damage, and if it WERE covered, then got damaged, it would be a hell of a lot harder to get to and fix. I think that exposed wiring, piping, and data cabling is a feature, not a bug. And it's like that on the ISS for exactly the reasons I mentioned (Ease of access and repair, not battle reasons. Because we don't, you know...actually have space warfare. YET.). This is just my two very silly cents. Still loved the video! :)
Navy warships are the same way. Pipes exposed and what not so you can get to them in damage control situations
@@justinwainwright5069 Same with Civilian ships. Usually not in the public parts but in the engine parts of something like a cruise you'll see much of it exposed.
"Eat shit Mars!, earth wins again." My favorite line of this video, and I love it 😂
Also hell yeah, it does
"Fuck that. Earth sucks!"
-Some Mars Boi
What I like about expanse ships is... when skyscrapers go to war...
Realism in design
There seems to be some confusion about the wealth of Earth in the show. Yes there is a lot of poverty on Earth but there is also some obscene wealth on the planet (especially since most of the mega corporations are based on earth). The real issue is that the more old equipment one has the higher the maintenance costs climb. Earth could develop some serious weaponry but it would require them to retire a good portion of the fleet to do it and that would seriously degrade their capabilities for a decade or two.
also earth has a serious corruption issue and brain drain issue that leads to earth lagging behind mars.
The Truman class is very much the B-52 of the show. It’s old as all get out but still does what it’s supposed to do.
I was training to be a pilot for a while when I was younger so I'm very familiar with 2G you would not want to even attempt normal living at 2G for a sustained time. But I'm pretty sure 1.2g would be relatively comfortable for anyone healthy and fit enough to join the UNN.
So hear me out... the Rocinante was shown to be able to land on a planet with no issues. Maybe... maybe it was designed to be aerodynamic so that it would have an easier time invading earth and returning to orbit!
Thank you for your hard work fellas, Science Insanity is amazing. Found you through the battletech videos and since then you've gone on to cover multiple other universes I absolutely love, now including expanse. It means a lot to have content such as yours, that covers lore in depth for universes that aren't that well known.
11:03 No, actually the human body can withstand about 3 g's indefitely.
You would need diapers, cause at that gravity, when you notice you need to go, you already went.
And eating would be very dangerous.
So racing and slowing down, from 5 to 1 g's, is a better (and more dignified) option.
Above 6 g's is already dangerous, you last 15-30 minutes. 10 g's you are dead in 15 seconds.
I love everything about the Expanse.
The ratio of Donnagers to Trumans is slightly more absurd. There were only a few Donnagers. Carcassonne, Bellerophon, Hotspur, Bellaire, Donnager, Icaria Planum, Barkeith (shut up), Sagarmatha 😢, Schiaparelli, Firebrand, Harman Dae-Jung, Armstrong. Errinwright said UNN had a 5 to 1 advantage in ships, I imagine it would also apply to Dreadnoughts.
The Thomas Prince is the only ship of the class not done dirty in the show, and it's not even a Truman class in the book. Lol.
Coolest looking capital ship in the show: fight me.
Good video Canadian! Keep it going. Steve is in for a ride with the protomolecule. From Miller to people wallpaper. Plz cook his noodle a little about whole locality thing.
Also, it's hilarious when people talk about railguns like they're some be all end all technology that you could never conceivably design an armor package to defeat.
Honestly, I think it's one of the most annoying things in sci-fi. Like a top of the line, modern tank round is almost impossible to stop at close range with a tank that weighs an amount that allows it to you know move. Until you start adding technology like ERA, and metal foam(publicly disclosed composite isn't actually that good against APFSDS)
But the dynamics of a metal rod with x material properties at y velocity hitting a plate with z material properties is something we understand pretty well.
Like yes, the velocity can complicate things. But if it's a fictional universe with massive fusion drives that burn at 1G continuously that has had rail guns for like 100 years and no one has developed an effective armor at least for the most crucial areas of a ship that's kind of weird.
Well it's consistent with the armor on mid weight warships being weak enough that repeated PDC fire can punch through.
The thing is, all that extra mass of armor you have to counter with having enough thrust to accelerate and maneuver it.
@@d3ltaohniner261 yeah obviously It's going to weigh more and the rocket equation is a heartless mistress. But in a world here the biggest warship's burning at 1g casually that can push 4g or more I'm not concerned about their ability to add a bit more fuel to get similar performance with greater protection.
And no small part of my point is just trying to mention that where railguns are a substantial improvement over modern chemical guns It's probably possible to armor against them with modern materials.
Not to mention the materials that exist in a setting where fusion is in regular use.
I'm just kind of tired of railguns being treated as unstoppable hit scan weapons that just punch a hole through anything they hit, maybe not even causing any other damage.
It's just very uncreative and cliche. And seems like everyone's just citing some other work that handled rail guns that way without actually trying to figure out how they might work.
Idk I'm super sleep deprived while I'm writing this so might not make any sense
@@larsmurdochkalsta8808 A bit late to the party but I very much agree. It is very annoying that there never seems to be much of an attempt in scifi to make armor packages/methods that can limit the damage or nullify the damage a railgun shot could cause. Same for the plasma warheads in the missiles.
If anything, the spaceships might be even more resilient bastards than most modern naval ships just due to their environment and construction. Modern ships can have their keel broken by detonating a missile underneath the ship (causes a bubble, pushes ship up unevenly, causes it to crash down unevenly, bam, it splits). In space this wouldnt be a big issue.
There also isnt a GIANT issue in space in regards to overall size of the craft. Multiple layers of spaced armor would probably do very well to combat most explosives. Why do they also only have engines stationed at the rear pointing back? I know its unorthodox but would it be good to have at least a small pair of dedicated braking thrusters? Sure they wouldnt be used a lot of the time but being able to withdraw without having to expose the engines would probably be pretty good. An equivalent of reusable flares, to get away from a bad engagement.
ALSO, why do the torps/missiles in the expanse (and lots of other scifi stuff) have a limited range? Cant they just launch the torp, let it float for a bit, then activate the engine? Meh. At the end of the day its still fun Id think.
@@Loregamorl yeah, spaced armor would probably be a pretty solid answer to railguns as well as that's pretty much how micrometeor armor works. It hits one layer any angle relative to the armor gets exacerbated, so it hits the next armor at a shallower angle increasing the relative thickness of the armor and so on until the energy is spent. To be fair they have that to some extent with multiple hulls but this would be a bit more specialized.
I think in the expanse at least the answer to a lot of these questions, comes down to cost. Though if you read the books that kind of changes in the last three along with much of space combat.
Retrograde drives are also pretty sick, I know some universes have them and some don't. I imagine it kind of depends on if the speed of combat in that universe allows you to flip and burn or not, and whether or not the creator considered that.
The torpedoes having a range has always confused me a little bit. Like if they're going to spend the time and money to put an Epstein drive on them it seems like it should almost not be a question that they will have enough fuel to transport such a light payload wherever it needs to go to intercept something with humans in it.
I know that part of it in universe is that within a certain range torpedoes will always hit, but to me that seemed backwards It seems like missiles should have that shit probability that goes up the longer they've been accelerating, and only kinetics should require you to close.
But it might be something about that speed making it harder for the missiles to dodge PDC fire. 🤔
Regardless, a fascinating universe that asks many questions
Looking forward the Protomolecule episode!
Fat bottom ships make that rockin world go round
I just re-watched the Expanse & its even BETTER the 2nd viewing!
Plus having read all the books im confident we will get the last 3 books added to the tv series...😊
Oh boy another SC.I Expanse episode! Man we're on a roll!
0:32 “debatable” oh my god I laughed at that.
When are you doing the Nauvoo/Behemoth class?
So, UNN ships have crew from the moon onboard which frequently lowers their max acceleration and outside that they limit their cruising speed to save on fuel when travelling. Though they can generally win in a sprint. And those side bits on the hammerhead? Those are hangars for its 6 dropship skiffs and other large skiff to let it get its marines on point quickly.
Been so down with the epstien drive jokes since the non-fiction one's noncery came to light... More of this!
MCRN marines do train in elevated G forces to help narrow the gap between the amount of Gs the crews can handle.
The only problem is marines are not the ones crewing the ship. They are just grunts on a spaceships.
Best thing when people start arguing about aerodynamics on spaceships is that people are arguing about the wrong field of study.
If you're talking about putting a spaceship in atmosphere.
Like it's technically just hypersonic aerodynamics. But if I remember correctly, it's called something like thermofluid dynamics. Because essentially you're slamming the air so hard it turns into plasma which has an entirely different set of properties both physical and electromagnetic than even supersonic flight regimes.
Sci, we are not Earth supremacists. We're Earth survivalists. Although to Martians and belters and aliens there's probably not much difference.
Later on in the sixth season of The Expanse Earth would have the new Xerxes Class Command Ship.
Sooo, the sherman tank of space battleships then.
t-34*
because the sherman was actually good
The numbers thing is even worse, there are like 9 donnagers at the start of the show, maybe 11 by the end, the UNN had a minimum of like 70 at the start of the show and even more by the end of it
Well, in Expanse universe, there are some ships, wich are expected to LAND on Earth-like planets, therefore they NEED to have some restrictions on the drag...
thank you, more Expanse ships please
Uhhhh still waiting for that protomolecule video bro
Surprisingly, enough, a Truman class battleship was better suited for the way space combat turned out and its Martian counterparts. Its larger PDS and larger Marine compliment were wise decisions.
Those are not called "Technicals" though, the Belter warships would fall under the category of Q-ships.
Different name, same idea, just as terrible.
Some of those old things even mounted battleship guns on crappy cargo boats.
it reminds me of the fat guy in the gas gas gas meme that outran the skinny guys
Dr Robotnik outrunning Sonic
Future Toyota technicals: they spelt “Taco station” wrong 😂
As a viewer I too want to read out the patrons names.
David G the original
Augie
11 bravo
Crunchie
Terry Higgins
Pedro Munoz
David G the other One
Silencer
Vox Apollyon
You may have not liked that joke, But he Was On Point though.
The Unn Zenobia would replace it
Spanish Armada Carracks but in space
Hi next ship The Nathan Hale Class Battleship (UNN Zenobia) vs Truman Class vs Donnager Class
Still waiting for the FTL episode.
Steve!
The Martian military is not small, all Martians serve 20 years and considering the high birth rates and young population, they prolly have a billion in uniform.
T34 VS TIGER
As someone who didn't watch The Expanse due to still not having gotten to the books in my pile of shame, that joke is unironically the first thing I thought of when hearing the name "Epstein Drive" for the first time. I assumed that I was going to get clubbed to death by rabid Expanse fans if I ever said it though.
Books drop off drastically after Laconia arrives. To me especially irritating was the part where authors couldn't stop themselves to absolutely spit at human behaviours related to relationships. And some bullshit connected to that whole treaty after belter terror attacks.
you say Toyota oddly
thumbs down for no music credit
The music he mostly used come from ftl soundtrack
@@tew9275 Artist name at the least.
reality of 'soviet style' : once the war actually got going and the soviets got off the defensive, the red army was, at its largest, comparable in size to the wehrmacht, better armed than the wehrmacht, better trained, and better led, than the wehrmacht. the 'soviet zerg rush' myth is exactly that, a myth. the red army was a competent, well equipped, and particularly importantly - a well LED, force that won its fight on that basis, not some horde of relative barbarians where you had to pick up a gun from the dead guy that originally had it, like they get portrayed as by most westerners. western nations just have an ideological inability to concede that the red army wasn't inferior, because if they admit the reality, it becomes harder for them to claim all the credit that should rightfully go to the red army.
Ok, what does this have to do with a starship centuries in the future?
It was pushed by the Germans who surrendered to the Allies to excuse why they lost to their 'inferiors'. Problem was though the Western Allies brought too much into the tales told to them by the angry now Western Germans and so made the mistake of creating up scenarios and war strategies for NATO that required and assumed the Soviets where just a red horde and the fictional zerg rush of myth told by the Germans.
This has been looked at post Cold War and many experts and historians now are coming round to the fact that the Red Army was no zerg rushing mindless force, and in a Cold War gone hot Scenario NATO would have severly been beaten or at least had the fight of it's live on it's hands.
He was just correcting the myth.@@nobodyherepal3292
Well... T34 was an absolute letdown and soviet supply line were less than stellar to the point where they had tanks but infantrys gear, tank ammo, fuel and FOOD were an afterthought.
Bad Dragon announce they are making a Truman Class product. Chunk for her pleasure...
In fairness, the drag coefficient of the Roci actually does matter once they fit landing legs to it
Damn, that drive joke is spicy. 😂