I envy these old debates because such debates can't happen in the modern day without a) either party interrupting the other party; or b) one party loudly exclaiming that the other party is just a member of a "certain bad group" (for example Nazi, sexist, racist, homophobes, etc...) that is generally considered harmful in an attempt to receive pitty points; or c) calling for the "cancelling" of the other party as they seem to gain no traction with any of their arguments.
Toynbee believed that Hitler was sincere and endorsed Hitler's message in a confidential memorandum for the British prime minister and foreign secretary.
What you failed to include was the date and circumstances of that endorsement, 1936. Kristallnacht occured 2 years later. Many people, not just the esteemed Professor, were unaware of the growing danger of Nazism.
After 1960, Toynbee's ideas faded both in academia and the media, to the point of seldom being cited today.[45][46] In general, historians pointed to his preference of myths, allegories, and religion over factual data. His critics argued that his conclusions are more those of a Christian moralist than of a historian. In his 2011 article for the Journal of History titled "Globalization and Global History in Toynbee," Michael Lang wrote: To many world historians today, Arnold J. Toynbee is regarded like an embarrassing uncle at a house party. He gets a requisite introduction by virtue of his place on the family tree, but he is quickly passed over for other friends and relatives.
Thanks for the informative Upload! Why don't you upload the entire debate onto one clip? Unless it was downloaded from the old TH-cam limited time policy days.. th-cam.com/video/2M5Ntu3C0IA/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so much for uploading this debate in its entirety. 😊
I envy these old debates because such debates can't happen in the modern day without a) either party interrupting the other party; or b) one party loudly exclaiming that the other party is just a member of a "certain bad group" (for example Nazi, sexist, racist, homophobes, etc...) that is generally considered harmful in an attempt to receive pitty points; or c) calling for the "cancelling" of the other party as they seem to gain no traction with any of their arguments.
Toynbee believed that Hitler was sincere and endorsed Hitler's message in a confidential memorandum for the British prime minister and foreign secretary.
What you failed to include was the date and circumstances of that endorsement, 1936. Kristallnacht occured 2 years later. Many people, not just the esteemed Professor, were unaware of the growing danger of Nazism.
I appreciate Herzog's arguments and passionate response, but could you add Toynbee's response? Thanks
his responses are posted if youve noticed this in only 1/6th of the debate try listening to the other parts
It should be on the 2/6 clip.
After 1960, Toynbee's ideas faded both in academia and the media, to the point of seldom being cited today.[45][46] In general, historians pointed to his preference of myths, allegories, and religion over factual data. His critics argued that his conclusions are more those of a Christian moralist than of a historian.
In his 2011 article for the Journal of History titled "Globalization and Global History in Toynbee," Michael Lang wrote:
To many world historians today, Arnold J. Toynbee is regarded like an embarrassing uncle at a house party. He gets a requisite introduction by virtue of his place on the family tree, but he is quickly passed over for other friends and relatives.
This is nonsense Zionist lies.
Toynbee admitted he was defeated in the end. A hypocrite .
Thanks for the informative Upload!
Why don't you upload the entire debate onto one clip?
Unless it was downloaded from the old TH-cam limited time policy days..
th-cam.com/video/2M5Ntu3C0IA/w-d-xo.html
Boy that Herzog dude is a real liar.
Ah, that was a truly brilliant argument..
Herzog is unbearable
your statement is without argument or evidence and is therefore a rant and is not welcome in such a comment section or on such a video
Your response was so bad TH-cam decided to spare me the idiocy
"Unbearable" for Anti-Semites and Islamists..