Phil Ivey FLOPS SET On Tom Dwan In $128,900 Pot!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2017
- Phil Ivey and Tom Dwan are back at it, playing a massive pot in this high stakes poker cash game on Poker After Dark. David "Viffer" Peat is also in the mix, makign the curious decision to flat with AK. Ivey spikes a set on the flop, but Durrrr is undeterred, having caught a reasonable piece himself. The river is a doozie, as Ivey puts Dwan to an excruciating decision for his stack. What should he do here?
As always, Doug breaks down each street of action. Poker Hands is the show where Doug analyzes live poker hands from tv poker shows such as Poker After Dark, EPT (European Poker Tour), High Stakes Poker, the World Series of Poker (WSOP), the Aussie Millions, WPT (World Poker Tour) the Big One For One Drop, and the PCA (Pokerstars Carribean Adventure). He especially enjoys reviewing hands by popular high stakes pros like Daniel Negreanu, Phil Ivey, Viktor "Isildur" Blom, Fedor Holz, Ike Haxton, Phil Hellmuth, and Dan Cates (Jungleman).
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"He has a clear as day three bet with ace king - so he decides to flat"
lol
I laughed so hard xD
AK is a heavily overrated pocket hand. Flatting is fine, wait for the flop
No, flatting is bloody terrible.
+Trance Vocals did someone just call AK a pocket hand? I think as soon as that happened, this just became a lost cause. By the way, 3 betting is the play.
Hahaha yeah I giggled at that too.
"making a read based on your opponent is the play"
Who are you and what have you done with Doug Polk
He's said before you use reads when a spot is close in theory and you could go either way.
I know what he said. I intentionally took it out of context.
great
My thoughts exactly
well, i don't mind folding, raising or calling here. All options are fine. Sound more like Doug?
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' if he had a hand like 67, 86 , 76 ' - Doug Polk
HellmuthOnTilt4 He could have 6 8 as well lol
Durr can balance his range by calling with QT and folding TQ imo.
Andrew, I love the vlogs man
I lol'ed hard, that one was pure gold.
lol
Surely flatting AK some small % of the time is part of a balanced strategy? It allows you to have better board coverage with your flatting range and can be pretty awesome to float when your opponent barrels cards that you hit.
Fair enough point
considering he's in the CO I think it's not very good. having strong hands on your CO 3bet range > better board coverage.
then leave your flats to KJ and maybe KQ. AK should ALWAYS 3bet in my opinion
Firstly, which action below is better?
1) Balancing your flats with AK
2) Always 3 bet AK, and balance your 3bets with weaker hands.
The answer is 2), because in general you want to be aggressive in position, not passive.
Secondly, if you're flatting AK to balance your flats, should you also flat AA/KK/QQ/JJ sometimes too?
The point is these hands are simply too strong against an opening range and you lose tremendous value by not 3betting them. The value you lose is not worth the value you gain from balancing your flats.
The only exception is if you are relatively short stacked and you know there is an absolute maniac behind you who will squeeze almost every hand. And even then it may be better to just 3bet yourself.
KillEveryoneKillPhil naw Viffer flats way too many hands this session, including KK
AK doesn't play that well multi-way. Isolate or take it down pre-flop.
"I really dont mind going either way"
-Doug Pork
Gotta love that Tom Dwan grimace while calling.
The link only directs to the early stages. Same thing happened when you put out the middle stages promo. How can I access middle and late stages video?
Hey Doug, do you think if there was more rake, stars would be up now?
how come this has no humor in it and i still laughed my ass off? Great vid pause timing doug. hahhaa
two pair has always been the kiss of death for me usually
Which episode is this from
just made a set of 4s while watching this video. Keep up the good work on these videos Doug.
You said ivey flopped a set but you didn't say what he flopped a set of. this video is too difficult to follow
unlimitedpubes not sure if incredibly bad troll or incredibly stupid
I lost him at the intro already. He should really formulate those more so we can get accustomed to them
idk what this even means
YoreyC im pretending to pretend I'm not angry and don't get trolled too easily on the internets which makes me angry.
Good trolling is fake "incredibly stupid" so that doesn't make sense.
Doug, I am thinking of signing up for upswing poker but I can barely afford it cause its fairly expensive, do you think its worth it?
Doug there's a typo in the description "makign the curious decision to flat" fyi. Loved the vid with your set of kings getting cracked
The freeze frames had me crying.
@doug is this an old hand because there endorsing Full Tilt......
Trying to get a read off of PHIL Ivey is like trying to see someone in the dark.
Hey Doug, irresponsible poker-playing college student here. I've been a huge fan of your channel and think it's one of the most entertaining and instructive ones out there, which is a pretty sick combo. Thanks to you I've been having a lot of success at small stakes, but I'm having trouble with a technical concept: how often to bluff or call. It seems to me that there are three concepts that are important in making those decisions: 1) whether your specific hand has enough equity/implied odds to call based on pot odds, 2) the percentage of your hands you should call with based on pot odds, and 3) the odds your opponent is getting on his bet and the resulting frequency of hands you have to call to avoid giving him a profitable bluff. These all give me different numbers, poker channels everywhere are giving different suggestions, and I'm pretty fucking confused at this point. I'd appreciate the help!!
"How often to bluff or call", you're talking about two different things there buddy.
This is a well-written question and I hope Doug responds to it.
Here is my take. Unfortunately there is no simple answer. You mentioned three reasonable statistics that you can use to help make a decision. First, all three of those should be a function of your estimate of your opponent's range based on the hand so far and what you know about your opponent's strategy: do you have a rough idea of how to quantify them in that way? However, even if you were to have perfect information about your opponent's range on every street, understand that all three of those statistics measure different factors, which is why they tend to give different numbers.
To avoid making this even more inappropriately long for the youtube comments section, I'll just give some specifics about why the third statistic, though helpful, is just one factor to consider. "Optimal" play does not require you to call a certain % of the time to avoid making bluffs profitable for your opponent. To understand why, consider an extreme situation where the river completes a flush draw, with an unpaired board, and you have a straight, and _suppose_ you estimate the opponent's range on the turn to be 80% flush draws and 20% air. This means you should ALWAYS fold your straight on the river if your opponent bets more than 1/4 of the pot, even though this makes bluffs profitable for him (note that the threshold for pot odds at which you should call depends on how often you think your opponent would bluff when he has air)! The reason is that the money you lose on average on a flush-completing river is made up for by the money you make on average on other rivers.
#3 reminds me of David Sklansky's book called "Theory of Poker" in the first section of the chapter called "game theory." It's an old, possibly outdated book, maybe someone will have a better recommendation.
Hey dug, when r u playing Tim Dwayne HUFRolz?
do you think it's a tell when you look at the dealer and tell him the size of the bet
Wait what, 67 is different hand than 76? :D
Very easy fold on the river imo. If Ivey triple barrel a wide range like As2s-AsJs, 44-55, 62s, 63s, 76s, 87s, 86s; it's still only a break even call with 44.12% equity. That is a best case scenario since it's every gutter and straight draw possible on that flop.
Hence, if Iveys range contain any less bluffs than that, it's a clear fold. I think that is extremely likely.
If we remove the gutters without a flushdraw(pretty reasonable imo), we are now down to 24.00% equity, which is a CLEAR fold.
BudgeThePutcher what about Ivey capable of barreling with weaker two pairs including q10
Hey Doug, if we rewinded time and you were around to play in the big, soft-ish games, but you had to play zero EV props that produced swings as big or bigger than your stack on the table, would you play?
The answer should be yes, assuming he is somewhat rolled for the games
Bro, I would recommend you keep your commentary interruptions short and to the point.
Who's Tom Dwan?
A professional poker player, durrrr!
Hey, guys, I've been playing low stakes for a while now and started to build a decent bankroll for myself.
But I can't decide if I should try and up the stakes a little bit.
(Btw I'm 16 and I mainly play 0,25-0,5 dollar NLH)
Great value bet on that draw heavy board - I wonder what Ivey would have done if Dwan had shoved there.
So do you like Ivey's river bet or not?
i like it because Ivey's set isn't strong enough to check-raise but is perhaps strong enough to bet and even call a raise (although sometimes it'll lose to a flush of course)
I hate his river bet. There's so many hands that beat him now and he's literally only getting value (maybe 1/2 the time) from QT and AsQ, AsT and even those can bluff jamm him some of the time.
I like the size of the river bet because he could get alot of Ax two pairs to call especially with an As blocker
"Now over to David Peat in the cut off , and he has a clear as day 3 bet with AK - So he decides to flat" Bahahaha! 🤣🤣🤣 Shit, that one got me good!
Doug I will pay a monthly subscription to watch you do poker videos every day
btw floating AK with As, can't be so terrible esp. since the bet isn't so big, I mean you have to have some bluffs later on, and with As blocker you can get some big folds on different run outs...
I genuinely think poker was played differently back then. In that people were bluff happy. Where as now the game seems a lot more defensive. This is the only thing I can think that explains Ivey betting out
Peat flatted and vhiffed the flop ahahahaha
These videos are the equivalent of a College Professor giving a lecture where "gears start turning" and "something clicks" that not only helps you advance in your career but allows you to become an expert IF that is your desire. Im going to absorb the entire collection of videos by Polk here on TH-cam. after a player is finished studying here they should have no legitimate excuse to be labeled as a Fish. These vids frame the groundwork and delve even deeper for reasons behind the fundamentals and levels going on in the game and allow you to see each aspect through an Elite lenses.
I have been watching them for a while and I guess I am just not that sharp but ...... they have started sinking in a bit and the game has started to slow down using his thinking .... especially when it comes to blockers.
Watching vids isn't enough. You need to beat at least 5NL over 60k hands minimum not to be labeled a fish.
alex...well those were some words...
what about beating 2NL over 150k hands?
or 10NL for 35k hands?
or 500NL for 275 hands?
Very very deep words...
great video except for when doug talks
Phil would made 'feel' different if he checked.
why did Peat call preflop
Say, the look on Tom Dwans face at 1:14 could perhaps be considered a tell?
Yes, I agree. In my mind the expression on Dwans says: I have a somewhat strong hand. If I were Ivey and I noticed that, I definently would keep betting strong.
holy shit i laughed my ass off at 0:43 haha that's my sense of humour and i'm from germany
YoreyC you're welcome
but we failed to address how Dwan shuld play this river if Ivey Checks instead of leading for a third time.. Should Dwan check back this 2 pair *nitty* on this dangerous board after ivey has shown alot of strength or should seek even more value and risk getting check raised just to fold ? Now can Dwan even live with himself checking back 2 pair on the river? Not likely but Ivey s set is too weak to check raise shove this river sooo oo the hand would be more interesting if ivey decided *Check* this river because somebody would be making a mistake
Doug you may already be aware but Phil Ivey is the best clickbait in terms of players on the show. love that guy
I'm loving big ass pot Mondays!!!!
Ivey always ran good on these shows !!! But so did Tom :D
so great to watch again isn't it?
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If Ivey checks and Tom cbets, how would you play Viffer's spot? Granted it's hard to assess his range since he flats AK pre, but raising makes sense to me blocking top pair w/ backdoor draws, or would you prefer calling with some nonzero SDV and many turns we can continue on a lot of turns? Also, is calling out of the question when Ivey leads just because Ivey's leading range is likely fairly polarized, we block flush draws, and we're behind when Dwan calls?
BTW I think TOM rarely traps his flush draws...that's why ivey can punish his imbalance on this type of run out...
UraStr exactly
You also have to remember that Phil and Tom play each other heads-up often and know each other quite well. You don't have that advantage most of the time you sit down at the table.
Morgan Spector Most people don't have the memory, attention span, and IQ to use that advantage even when they have it.
Doug your not taking into consideration that there are 2 spades on board and other people behind Dwan. Ivey's lead out was perfect it denies, equity to any one with 2 spades or 1 spade, it builds the pot, and as the commentator said it disguises Ivey's hand.
*not like this* doug, c'mon son
i always skip the video when this narator guy talks.
Doug my man, 67 and 76 are the same hand !
Doug you are a beast
You've probably got this offer many times, but how much to get personal coaching, on an hourly rate? PM me pls.
I'm no expert at poker but criticizing phil ivey on his lead out bet with general rules and reasons for being a bad idea is not considering the how all the play patterns and dynamics leading up to that hand.
The point of flatting AK is to avoid a 4bet. It can also induce a squeeze.
Buranazi ...
Well not really afraid of Tom Dwan 4betting but tag zoom players
Buranazi why would you wanna induce a squeeze if you're flatting with AK? Are you gonna 4-bet the squeezer after that? Is this balanced by AA/KK? Or are you just gonna flat the squeeze?
We would have to just call with AA,KK sometimes. And depending on the squeezer we can just shove it in. But yeah I have no idea if this is good or whatever but makes sense to me. So many times after 3betting I am getting 4bet only with AA,KK or some bluffs. But I guess we do win some money when they just call their AK and fold to a cbet.
I might be stupid to notice this for the first time, but you kind of spoil the final move by specifying the final pot size in the title. Oh wait, more clicks totally worth it :)
not to be nitpicky ( no pun intended) but Dwan us UTG and Viffer is in the highjack
Ivey could have better 2 pair with an A10, a straight with KJ, any number of flushes, or sets. It's hard to analyze what Dwan is thinking though when he's played against Ivey so much, he is probably drawing a lot on experience.
6:30 "The only way he's bluffing is if he had a hand like 67 ...76..." Wut
I mean, I can get behind final pot amounts in the thumbnail, but the hands and the whole board too? Not cool man
Big ass pot monday!!
A Bad Call on the river durrrr...
Why are they talking during the hand? he just ask if some one folded king jack, supposed some one said yeah then they won't have to worry about the ace high straight. SMDH
Doug just hates on Dwan taking look on his fails only..
The dealer copied Doug's hair
'he has a clear as day 3 bet, so he decides to flat'
is there a giveaway???
I have heard nothing about it. Doug, has done a TERRIBLE job advertising it. plz someone help.
#teach me tnks doug
in general
Doug is so Jealous of Phil's set flopping skills.
Dwan doesn't like folding
If peat raises the flop he might win it on the riv
nmind. forgot that ace hit. he prob checks that back
Herrow
Tom beats exactly zero value hands once the river comes. 45 will not bet. I think he can only call if he puts Phil on a bluff.
lol commentators - He leads, so he disguises his hand (NOT!)
opie crushed that session
Dude, spoiler alert title
just let the hand nobodey care what you have to say
i love your videos poug dolk.
i was already good at poker before so i didn't care to listen to your thoughts. Now i can see that by watching your videos i will be able to elevate my thoughts to an elite level, since i've never had a problem applying these theories to my actual play i will now take all this information you gave me for free and use it to make even more money
2021
Sarcasm by Doug Polk is one of the things I thoroughly appreciate and value in this 2017.
2022
damn i can i just watch the hand with out doug giving his bs opinion
I waa enjoying watching till u start talking .
I love seeing Dwan lose.
me too, i like phill
TLDR
2021 2
first and gayest
the biggest factor in phil iveys success is the fact he gets dealt the best hand most of the time
Or simply gets action from them ...
Doug pork
dog polk
bad call, he just beats bluffs and there are not many out there, really bad call.
aha
what if someone photo shopped doug polk and alec torelli? XD thats just gay sounding
Daniel Negreanu does this better imo..
and yes, Q10 is nothing but a bluff catch by the river.. why does Dwan call when his body language is showing he knows hes beat ? Ivey also knows if he gets raised he has to fold his set on the riverr (unless hes being stubborn like dwan and wants to throw good money after bad )... Dwan should ask himself " What kind of range would ivey be more likely lead the flop, barrell the turn and fire again for a big bet on the river ? Pure Value.. Dwan knows this and still calls,, he cannot think the river improves his hand, it actually improves Iveys range. Ivey *thinks* he can get away with value betting the river because he knows Dwans playing like a station who cant fold top pair.. the correct play *for dwan* is to sigh, to fold, and to realize reverse implied odds can destroy you
easy for you to say, mr poker proffesional
Talk to much
Doug, you talk to much.
Keep your mouth shut, run the video