The easiest vocal de-essing trick?
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There are some wonderful de-essing plugins available, but I have noticed over the years that often the best way of de-essing is to go in there and clip gain, or gain down, or volume automate down all of the esses. Frankly, all we really want to do when we are de-essing is turn it down! So this is a straightforward, old school technique that does that super quickly, without the need for fancy plugins!
To start, we are going to duplicate the vocal, and then remove all of the plugins from the duplicated track. On the track I demonstrated this trick on, the most abrasive esses were at about 5.5K. So I took an EQ, when in at about 5.5K, made the EQ really tight, and then gained it up.
Then, I can also high pass it all the way up to that point, so there is nothing below 5.5K, and then do the opposite and low pass it right up to that point as well. What we are doing there is highlighting that area. Next, I took the duplicated vocal and sent it to a dead output. Then take a compressor (any compressor you have will work!) and apply it to that point, and then I turned the attack and release to the fastest time. This will simply turn down the point where the esses are at the loudest.
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What are your favorite de-essing tricks?
Great tips! As Kevin says, Melodyne 5 should make de-essing very simple as it now detects the s, t’s etc and breath noises and all can be turned down in bulk. It’s also handy for tuning! 😊 However, it’s a not budget solution. But then again nor is Soothe...
Singing across the mic instead of into it.
At the end of a phrase, I have split the track and then shortened the length of the 'SSSSSS', and faded it out to zero so it doesn't suddenly cut out. Then I used automation to reduce the gain on any sibilance mid phrase. It does mean having to magnify the waveform in the Track View, to narrow down the exact moments for precision. It works well, if you have the patience. Sometimes de-essing sounds artificial, if the accompanying music doesn't mask it, as the vocals cut out suddenly, making an abrupt end to the phrase. If the rest of the music hides this artefacts in the mix, this method is probably overkill.
My usual trick is what you do at the start of the video: 2 instances of Waves De-Esser; one for the lower range, and one for the higher range, and when all else fails, I go in and clip-gain. Now I'm inclined to try this classic method out, although I think I'll just use a pre-fader send instead of multing audio tracks...
Finding the right mic for the vocalist. For me,it's usually a tube mic that emulates the U-47 sound that doesn't boost the high end.Some us still record "OLD SCHOOL" analog.
I absolutely love that you always have a summary in the description. I get to trying these tricks myself much faster.
I've done this and also shifted the sidechain track forward in time, say -5ms or so. It gives you a bit of lookahead so you can slow the attack and release for a smoother sound.
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Was looking for this comment. That's exactly what I do too... xD
Great idea. Does it always require an actual audio stem or can you do it with just a “send” from the vocal? I haven’t been able to get it to work that way, but it would be helpful for live application
Absolutely! This forward shift also helps with harsh transient consonants T, K and whatnot.
@@reacherstudio You could only shift the live vocal backwards ie. delay it...
With all these tips and tricks we learn from this channel there's no reason we shouldn't be good mixers in no time! thanks Warren!
This was honestly one of the best mixing tricks ever. Thank you Warren!
What a time saver and very simple trick. Going through a vocal track and trimming the esses can be so time consuming. Thanks again Warren!
Hi Warren. I’ve enjoyed many of your videos. And I have learned much from you. But after struggling with some sibilants on an original track I’m finishing production on, I saw this video. And I gotta say, this is one of the best practical approaches to controlling sibilance that I’ve seen. Period. Thanks for this and all you do for the community! Cheers 🙂
Another great example of how just having tools available will not make us masters; but only knowledge and experience will. Thank you for sharing, Warren! Cheers from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Wow...since I'm just workin on a track with exactly those problems, this video didn't just come at the ryt time, it is also a simplifier, rescuer, life saver...blessing. Thank you...thank you...thaaank you!
I click on these things for the info but then I'm always floored by the quality of the music/artists being used for the production tips... amazing stuff ... This is the kind of music that should be all over the charts in my view.
I love this kind of simple but effective tricks. I'm finding this good as an all around "de-harsher"
I feel like an idiot for not thinking of this already! It was just too simple. This info could have saved me a lot of time and some money too. Marvelous content as always! Thank you for sharing your years of experience and wisdom with us! Never underestimate the value of these very simple tips. Many of us that are new to the world of music production may overlook these types of things. I tend to overthink and overcomplicate things and end up with 25 different plugins on each track. A video about how you are able to simplify things and only use what’s really needed to enhance the song would be ever so helpful! Thanks again you are my favorite TH-cam content creator and teacher!
The beauty of this trick is the possibility to process multiple tracks at once. Thank you so much!
Absolutely Jürgen!
You'll never stop learning, this would had help in my mix of Patiently but I´ll sure use it on my next mix. Thanks👍🤠
This is brilliant! Thank you Warren - wow, possibly the best and most useful technique I have ever learned on TH-cam.
Who disliked this? I have amazing de-essers AND Melodyne 5 but I still find myself loving alternative methods (including manual automation) but this trick is marvelous
Haha who knows? Thanks ever so much for your great comment my friend!
I want names, of anyone who dislikes
Absolutely love it. Old skool styles. Used to spend ages riding the vocals back in the day.. or drop a 902 over it.. fun times. 🎛🎤
I use a free multiband compressor, find the Sssss frequency, create a narrow band over it, set threshold and ratio to taste. Done. Great video, keep up the good work!
That only compresses a specific frequency whereas the technique in the video compresses everything. I’m not sure which technique is better.
@@cary3428 not true, the 5k boosted signal is the side chain that brings down the overall signal. since the attack and release are so quick it's bringing down the volume for when the signal is coming thru that 5k filter.
@@trevorellis-guice5794 on the other hand there is only the vocal ss on the specific track at this moment, so that seems to me the "overall" signal at the point of time / compression. Contrary to usage on a bus, where you would be correct.
This is an excellent trick that produces very natural-sounding results. A keeper!! Of course, automating the comp threshold or the EQ can be useful too. Thanks so much!!
Watch again and again, still and even more, fantastic tech tip. Best regards.
These tips are so cool to learn, big or small! A wonderful video as always man!
Man, you really are everywhere :)
Brilliant Warren, that's another really great, fast solution. Thank you!
Sound Engineer here. Still learning. Best tutorial ever....thank you so very much....
Wow! Thanks ever so much my friend
🤘🤘Awesome trick, will definitely try it instead of turning it down manually, can't wait for the next tip !
Woooow! This is a de-esser I can afford! Thank you so much Warren!
I love tips like this! You listen to recordings from the 1960s and the sibilance is under control. Clearly de-essing is possible without an expensive plugin. And here's a simple way it can be done. Thank you!
I think the '60s recordings were not as bright as today's recordings especially the vocals so sibilance was not that big an issue.
the top "de-essing fix" in the 60s was probably just to tell the vocalist to back up a few steps...nowadays it's common to have the vocalist eat the mic to squeeze every bit of "presence" out, but ends up exaggerating the sibilance
Really awesome trick! Thank you so much Warren! Gonna try it !
Most progressive day of my life. My ears and and mental state thanks you. Thx thx thx.
Great trick,. Thanks ever so much for taking the time to do these videos
awesome! great video as always!
Technique works terrific! Thanks warren
This is great! De-essing was one of the last aspects of mixing for me to feel confident about. The best trick I've had for this is very, very similar: I use a multiband compressor on the vocal chain instead of a de-esser, and do the same but all on the multiband plugin - narrow the the band to the offending frequency and compress it only when it goes over the set threshold. Really looking forward to trying this one out now, though!
Thank you. My De-esser wasn't working super well and this actually worked a lot better
This is what's great about the latest Melodyne 5 update. It identifies the "harshness" and you can turn them all down. Such a time saver!
Fantastic!
Been searching HIGH and LOW for something to help me out with de-essing! This is the trick here! I felt like none of the de-esser plugins were working. Thanks.
Yes! I used to use three different de-Essers haha
@@Producelikeapro I believe it! I was on #5😂...so thanks again.
What an incredible trick - I cannot wait to try this!
What a great trick! Thanks so much Warren!
While I do use de-essers fairly often, I didn't know such a thing existed when I first started so I figured out I needed to manually lower all the esses early on and it has been my preferred method ever since.
The problem is that I record and mix a lot of hip-hop and the amount of words in a rap song make manually lowering them a long painstaking process, so I'm always looking for shortcuts. Thanks.
I can't ever get de-essers to work ... I keep thinking I'm just stupid. 😂
Nice trick! Thank you Warren.
Oh my god! Thank yooou so much, I have been struggling with harsh S in a vocal for weeks
Great video! I'm a beginner but that sounds more natural to me than the de essers I own. Will use that tip often. Thanks again Warren!
Hi Warren, wow! a fantastic tip, Thank you, awesome! all the best.
great tip. Definitely will be using this
Reaxcomp multiband compressor in reaper has a great preset to start with. Thanks for all the great info Warren. I'm finally getting comfortable using some of your tricks and every bit helps. Good work as always.
Man, that's one slick trick. Thanks!
magic! thanks Warren
Can't wait to try this one!!!
Wow what a nice trick thank you Warren!!!
Fabulous - thank you Warren ! Awesome video ;-)
Thank you for sharing such a killer but simple tip.
Thank you, thank you, OH thank you for this! You're the best!
Excellent tip!!! Thanks for the great explanation!
Thank you so much for your videos!
This technique is amazing! Gonna use it on my next mix!
I saw Thorn's video the other day and thought, "Wait...what's he doing there?" Now I know! Thanks for the great explanation!
Thanks Brandon! You Rock!
This is very helpful - thank you!
thank you..... needed this and found it after ten thousand other vids on de essing..
That is a great trick, I will definitely be using that... Thanks
Enlightening maestro!
Thanks ever so much
This is the best video about this technique if you are using other DAWs than Logic and you have the Waves plugins. I have been searching for a way to de ess my vox since the year 2000. Always the same problem with the deessing plugins, lipsi or harsh final result. The Waves De Esser and RDe esser are not too bad, but yet. I find out about this way of de essing from the Mix and Master tutorial of Audiopedia, but the compresor ussed there was a stock plugin of Logic with integrated EQ. Was looking a way to use it at my Cubase. I saw 5 6 other videos. Not good. But this one here was simple and working. And what's more intresting, this way of de essing is the way used by professionals even when the analogue expensive gear was used to mix. Thank you!
Such a useful tip Warren! Will try this on my next mix
Great tip, thank you!
Thanks for the tips!!
TBProAudio DSEQ2 is my go-to now for de-essing and taming any harsh resonances. It's amazing.
Great trick. Thank you for demonstrating it, Warren. Old School ... that suits me ;-)
Terrific - in so many areas of computing, the construction of a GUI (graphical user interface) to make a bolt-on control panel that looks pretty just ends up costing $$ and consuming precious CPU resources, and yet does not do anything more than we already have tools for. Job done, and done well. What a great workflow - thank you so much :-)
Thank you Warren, I just watched that video with Pete Thorn and Bob Clearmountain, fantastic tip! I will certainly look for a place to apply that as I continue to develop my mixing/producing skills.
Mind blown
thank you !
I've seriously needed this. Some of my own tracks have two or three De-Essers on them. Still, I can't find the point between shrill brain drill and lisp for days. You can bet I'll be trying this.
thanks warren great one
This is amazing!!!!
Recently I’ve been doing volume automation for DeEssing and it’s working well.
Takes away the harshness of the sss and the also the hard hitting T’s
Also helps to clean up some of the breaths if they’re a bit too loud for me
Wow, what a great little trick.
Old but the basics.....thankyou a ton Sir
The song is beautiful!
Excellent choice, since this is one of the songs I downloaded from the Academy. Incidentally, before joining, I also downloaded some of the free courses on offer. Haven't really looked them until now, but the one I'm currently loving is the Ariel Chobaz Hip Hop. I'm taking another end to end view gain, today. Lovely jubbly
Very interesting! Melodyne 5 is solving the problem in the most surgical way these days; quite incredible!
Very useful trick my friend
You can duplicate the channel with all the inserts and add a gate with the polarity reversed and adjusted so that it only opens when sss sounds and then it will null with the other track, so with the volume fader of the duplicated track you can adjust the amount of deessing
Thankyou brother . Hug from Córdoba Argentina
That's a nice one!
Thanks ever so much!
this is awesome!
I didn't have a de-esser back in the day, when I worked on a Yamaha digital audio console running Avid Audiovision. So I worked out how to do this.
Love this. I actually learned this trick in a Reaper tutorial just days ago. Unfortunately after I submitted my contest mix of Patiently, which could have needed this . Oh well. :D
Hey man it's been a while . This is very needful video thanks again. I Solo high end and then search for problems .
These tricks are pretty awesome to look back at!
Thanks so much sir (L)
Very cool trick
Makes all the difference. Oldie but a goodie.
Yes! Hugely simple and used by pretty much every major mixer!
I usually set double de-essing in my chain, pre-EQ and post EQ/compressor. It maintains the natural sound of the vocal.
So useful!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Mindblowing, when you realize you can extend this trick to control similar problems!
i.e. The bowing high frequencies of a solo violin 😱😱😱
yo! Thanks for that heads up!
Thanks for sharing this awesome idea, I will try it at my next opportunity. I think there's an even better way to do it, however, now that I know about this: using one of those volume duckers the EDM producers use for ducking the bass from a kick. With some of them, you can draw the exact curve you want, and have absolute control over what it does and how it does it. I've never been happy with de-essers, but this might be the silver bullet.
Thanks once again! Much appreciated
You're very welcome Lamell!
De-essing first, separately or manually is a good idea. Sibilance doesn't change much in overall volume so it's good to tackle is immediately
I hate the way most de-essers sound on my voice. I've always been wondering how Bob Clearmountain did that, so I appreciate this video! I read about it on a online forum but couldn't figure it out. I just started manually lowering the gain as Gregory Scott from Kush posted about it, and I found it works out really well. I'm going to try this as well. You should have Gregory Scott on sometime as a guest, I just recently discovered his channel and it is very helpful. I just joined the Academy, and already am happy to find the online community is so positive compared to most trolls on the internet.
Thanks ever so much! Really glad you are enjoying the Academy! Amazing having you in there!
I suggest recording just the SSS SHSH and see what frequencies they are, given the equipment used. Learn it, set it and then use these settings further on. The consonants dnt have a pitch so it will stay the same thru tha same signal chain
How did you knowThat he was doing anything special
pretty surgical listening
Thank you for this trick. I always find myself boosting the highs when using a de esser cause most of them take too much out of vocals brightness. I will definitely try this one.
You’re very welcome
You are a hero
Thank U very much, Warren!
You’re very welcome
Thank you, you're a lifesaver!
This worked better than waves desser, nectar desser etc etc Thankyou for the knowledge
Fantastic! Glad to be able to help