Should You Shoot At 24FPS or 60FPS?
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I do weddings and I shoot everything at 60fps, because I don't know what I want to slow down in post. But everything that has dialog I shoot it in 24fps, like the ceremony and toast.
Kevin Cervantes Ibarra so the audio doesn’t go off sync
Same. You are a man who clearly knows what’s up
@@JamesVancePresents just us Plural Eyes or other software to sync audio to video and correct audio drift. No need to choose artistic methods based on some tech limitation that can be easily removed.
Same here. 60 allows for slow motion b-roll but at 24fps I can have a 180 degree shutter at 1/48 instead of 1/120 which helps a lot with low light, which is important since most wedding locations are DARK
Great strategy man!
When I drop a high-framerate video clip on a low-rate timeline I always add some motion blur in post. Makes a *huge* difference.
Except motion blur added in post not only takes a long time to process but also looks strange and artifacty.
@@cmdr.shepard depends of the slowmotion you are using, rsmb is just ass
@@3n19ma what’s wrong with rsmb?
@@extasyAU RSMB, Resolve Motion Blur ?
@@laurenthenry doesn’t answer the question
For weddings, I shoot everything at 60fps, and then if I want normal speed (much less often than slomo for me), then I’ll do like you said in the beginning where I drop it in a 24fps timeline, but I add one extra step. Fixing the motion blur. Luckily, in this situation, it is a matter of not having ENOUGH blur in the footage, so it can be added later. Take the footage to AE, apply “pixel motion blur” and make sure the shutter is set to 180. And boom, the correct motion blur is in and the footage is perfectly useable. 🤘🏻
does this work? Who else has done this?
Ela! DO you do this motion blur in the after edits or whilst filming?
And why you set Shutter to 180? Not 120 as this is double the FPS?
@@anoukanansimeditations 180 in this case is the shutter angle, as in 180 degrees, not the shutter speed. Film cameras use this measurement, which is equivalent to twice the frame rate, in your case 120 fps for digital cameras.
@@WorldTravelHacks No need to do all that complicated ‘adding motion-blur later’. I shoot often in 60fps and then EDIT in a 60fps Timeline including dialogue so it’s realtime, no need to put it in a 24fps timeline. People it’s 2022 so do we really need to be shooting and editing at only 24fps because that’s what they had available in the 1930´s and 40 ‘s with their old metallic mechanical shutters? Many TH-camrs insist on this traditional way of doing things. We now have the technology to do much better. 24fps has too much choppiness and motion-blur as there are too few frames for the processor to write to. Especially when panning or scenes with lots of motion you know what I’m talking about! I have done many side by side tests with this and that is why I often shoot at 60fps and EDIT at 60fps that way your audio is still in sync (everything is real-time not slo-mo) but you have more frames to capture crisp, clear, sharp detail and movement in the scene and especially when you pan!! You still get some nice motion blur. A little motion-blur is natural but fuzzy pixels and stuttering jittery motion when panning fast at 24p drives me crazy. It’s terrible at accurately depicting motion! Yes your files at 60p are larger, doesn’t bother me…I usually try to stick with the 180 degree rule for shutter so 1-125. You can try using it at 1-60 sec shutter as Gerald Undone suggests to minimized the ‘soap opera effect’ and add more natural motion-blur with the slower shutter.. SHOOTING AT 60P is so immersive and life-like and dialogue and ambient sound are perfectly good. (Edit in 60p timeline though unless you want slo-mo and if you want slo-mo by all means run it at 60% or 30% or whatever speed you need - you have a lot more frames to play with so no worries)
@@Pfagnan It's all about personal preference. I think the look of a film exported from a 24fps timeline looks way better than one exported from a 60fps timeline.
I can’t tell you how long I’ve been looking for a video with this explanation! Thanks so much!
Happy you found this! Thanks brotha!
Hi you can easily sync. 60fps with your audio. This man is spreading misinformation. 60frames over one second and one second worth of sound will always sync up given you start them at the right time on your timeline. What a Dufus.
@@DannyGevirtz what do you suggest for drum covers where there is a lot of hand movement but in editing not gonna be slowed down?
Totally agree. Pretty much every tip / fact in this video is wrong. For example, if you’re shooting with a shutter speed 2x your frame rate, it’s so you AVOID motion blur.
for day s of looking and 4 minutes to get all my research answered.... wow
If you still want the flexibility in post wether or not you'll slow it down you can always use RSMB a motion blur plug-in that would introduce the same motion blur as 1/48th back into your shot :) Just a quick tip
But it doesnt really give the same feel as with shooting with a lower frame rate
Thanks for making me finally understand the point in those fps values.
haha happy I could help! Thanks for watching!
I have been looking for this explanation for ever, thanks man!
Dude of course! Thank you for watching!
I always wondered about this. Thank you for clearing it up! 😃👍
Of course! Thank you!
Great topic! Even when I’m filming weddings, I’m 50/50 between 24p and 60p. Even reception stuff gets old when it’s all slo-mo. 🤙🏼
Totally agree man. Thanks for commenting brotha!
Man,all your videos are extremely helpful. Great content every single time. 👌
Thanks so much Gio! Gotta get back on the grind lol
Killer presentation man 👌🏼
Thank you so much brotha!!
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First time I've ever seen you, and just had to say I find the way you communicate super compelling. Not everyone can engage with the viewer like this. Great work my man!
Thats so awesome to hear thank you so much man!
I'm just going to echo what everyone else was saying. I can't believe 60fps was giving me so much issue! Thank you very much!
Of course! Thanks so much!
I loved this video mate, found it so useful! I immediately subscribed and when I get some spare time will work through some of your older videos! Thanks a lot 😊
Thanks so much Jonny! Glad it was helpful for you!
I've watched a number of videos trying to understand the difference between 24/30/60 fps and 'why' I'd use each - and yours was the most succinct!! Thanks ;)
Thank you! I’ve watched about a thousand vids on this subject…and I go away just a confused as I started. This really clears it up. I don’t do slo-mo, so I will now start shooting in 24.
I watched 40 sec of your video , and told to myself "they guy has style, he must be around 300,000 subs" ... jeez man, keep doin what you doin' you good at it
Haha maybe one day man! Thank you so much!
@@DannyGevirtz ya you should totally have more from what I've seen so far
same. i thought like 250-400k subs. surprised to see 50k.
@@DannyGevirtz keep it up bro. We love ur work. Sure u get 1M soon
Lol. He is at 300k now 😂 well done 🎉
Finally, makes so much sense. I knew it but didn't understand why. Thank you!
Glad this was helpful for you man!!
Bro you literally answered exactly what I was searching for you are the man, I've been doing this for so long and did not realize I was losing quality, glad I know now
Great summary, thanks for explaining this accurately and keeping it brief.
Awesome. Thanks for breaking this down. Shooting sports montages is something I want to get into. 60FPS would definitely work for contact sports clips 🙌
Thanks so much! This was really informative and straight to the point :)
Thanks so much for watching Abigail! Glad it was helpful for ya!
This is brilliant, really well explained thank you so much and also this video looked so lovely and cinematic with the tones and use of lighting!!!!
The sports thing makes sense, you want the promo editors to be able to pull no-blurry still and for the viewer to be able to see everything that happens clearly without any blurring. It also allows the mind to take little snapshots of what's happening more easily. Great video.
Professionally done. Good work!
Thanks so much Joshua!
Shot a wedding once & this explains the audio vs footage problem!
Haha yeah its not horrible but its there! Thanks for watching Sarah!!
@@DannyGevirtz I am confused about the audio vs video. So if you shoot something with a camera at anything other than 24 FPS the audio and video will be out of sync? How does this work?
Loving your content! It's been very helpful in my editing. Thanks!
So happy to hear that! Thanks so much!
Awesome information brother! Thank you
That is so impressive! Very well explained!
Glad you thought so! Thanks so much for wacthing!!
Thanks, champ! Perfectly explained! Well done
Thank you man! Glad you enjoyed this!
Brooo you have a natural instinct for teaching!! You make it simple and clear!! Thank you🙏🏽🙏🏽
Great video! Really helpful stuff. I always wondered when to do which and now I know! Keep up the great content brother
Thanks so much dude! Appreciate you!
Super high quality video as always buddy! I used to do the same thing- shoot in 60 all the time. It just loses so much quality though when you don't do anything with it in post! Now I have a custom function set on my camera so I can flick between frame rates super fast when out on a shoot. Great to see you uploading again! I've missed commenting haha!
I wish I could quickly shoot back and forth! Thanks for commenting again man!!
Thanks for this info, really helpful.
Of course! So happy to hear that man!
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate this explanation ESPECIALLY with an example with dancers! I want to film dance and I never knew what difference the fps would do so thank you (for showing love to the art as well).
Thanks for the video man that helped a lot!
Loving the simple scene in this video. Also, time to take my camera out of 60fps 😁
Thanks bro! Hahaha i use to shoot everything at 60 too dont worry
Great video!
Another thing to consider is image "noise". For the same lighted shot, 24FPS @ 1/48 shutter with 100 ISO will be a super clean image.
Under the same light at 60 FPS, you'll have to increase ISO to 200, 400, maybe more to make up for the 1/120 shutter capturing less light per frame. Higher ISO means more image noise.
It all boils down to your rule of thumb at the end of the video. Shoot at 24 FPS when you KNOW you won't need slow motion (interviews, etc).
Shoot at 60 FPS or higher when you KNOW you'll need slow motion clips.
Thanks for this tip!
Helpful vid man cheers
thanks dude!!!
Finaly a good video about this subject.. well done mate
My guy! Thank you brotha. Appreciate you taking the time to check it out
I've decided to look into fps and now I'm learning so much!
Haha it is very valuable
You look really professional! Thank you for the great explanation about fps and shutter speed. 👍🎬
Thanks so much Liam! Makes me happy to hear this. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Danny. I really needed this information. Love your work.
thank you man!
needed this, thank you!
Really useful info. I did notice my audio was slightly out at 60fps so that explains it. 👍
Glad it was helpful dude! Thanks for watching!
Hi :) ¿What if I film 60 fps with a shutter speed of 1/60 (or something like that) and then render it at 24fps? Does that fix the problem of staccato motion blur? Can I do slowmotion with that? Greetings from México. Great video
I do that all the time. Best solution because the motion blur we're used to is at real speed and nobody has the expectation of what slow motion should look like. I shoot high end car commercials like this and nobody has ever complained. The idea that it ruins the footage is ridiculous.
Glad you mentioned this 🔥💯🙏🏾
Dude this was so helpful and spot on. Thanks so much!
Great content, great lighting, need to work on my lighting just editing a vid and not happy but making progress.
All the things you said are right on point
Thanks Byron! It all just takes time brotha. Keep workin
@@DannyGevirtz definitely, started working on my consistency, need to post at least once a week. Got the content but need to get that nailed first
Hey Danny, thanks for the video. I do have a question though: shooting in 60 for 24 exports also induces frame skipping, doesn't it? Do you have any workaround for that ( other than slowing it down) ? I shoot a lot of sports in 60fps as i want to slow down a part of the action. But then the rest looks kinda choppy when exported in 24 or 30.
Yes finally the answer to a lot of my questions! Thanks!!
Glad I could help you!!!
Thanks a ton for the information Danny!
Great video. I’m looking into a c200 and some shots were too jittery. I was hoping it was 60fps in a 24 timeline but wasn’t 100%. You basically took the time to confirm it. Thank you. Great work.
Glad you enjoyed the video man! Thanks for checking it out!
well elaborated, also something new for me to know and try was that 24fps with above 30 shutter speed for the nice motions, and other than this I like the way you are taking all this! I think I found a quality channel to subscribe!
Thanks so much!!!
Thanks so much for sharing your tips. I put my first video up to share a message with my community as a school Principal during this at home Distance Learning. Your videos have been very helpful. In the end...just posted one up and going to stay consistent.
Awesome Chuck! Glad to hear it man! Thanks for watching
Awesome info dude. I wasn't searching for this but it filled some of my curiosity.
Thank you for tips.
I think your advices are really important for a beginner, like me.
Thank you so much.
Good luck!!!
Like everyone who think this is so helpful!!!
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Thanks so much for watching! So glad to hear it was hepful for ya!
Your accent sounded a little philly, then I saw the Eagles logo on the backboard. Love finding people from my city!
Only been to Philly once but it's a beautiful place. Loved the rocky steps area
Thanks so much for this explanation! Super helpful!
Yeah for sure! Glad it helped ya out. Thanks for watching!
Loving your channel Danny!
This was so helpful! I saw so many people say 60 and so many say 24.. no real explanation! but this is the perfect explanation! Thank you!! 👏
Yeah of course! Thank you!
Oh man...you just sent me down a rabbit hole on learning more about frame rates. dammit. Thank you
Hahaha I love to hear that man! The more you know!
Thanks so much for this! 🙌🏼
Yeah of course! Thanks for watching!!!
Great info. Right to the point, Thanks!!!
thanks so much!
Congratulations on a break out video on this topic! I'm so sick of newbies thinking they can shoot 60 for everything. Kudos!
Glad you liked it!! Appreciate you a ton!!
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im gonna use 10 fps
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This is sound information; however, it might have been more effective by showing a clip shot at 60 fps then played at 24 fps. Something that shows clearly the stuttering that you get when there isn't enough motion blur. You made some good points about the impact on audio, something that I'd never considered, but of course you're right.
Thanks bro! I appreciate it
Great info man, thank you!
For sure! Thanks Alex!
Hi Danny. I make food videos and shoot close-up. I used iPhone SE till now and want to upgrade to a camera. Suggest me a good one from- Canon 200D mark 2, M 50 or sony a 6000. Thats my budget. I wont go for for G7X M2. I am looking for a chargeable lens camera. Please help. Thanks
Wow you got a lot of subs since then
@@JimTheKid who me?
I would recommend canon M50 because of the light weight and compact. And just by a adapter and u can use all lenses of canon hope it helps :)
@@SURYAKUMAR-uz3ij ok
@@TasteNSmile quick tip if you go for the M50. If you're gonna shoot mostly in-doors with poorly lit conditions, instead of getting the Canon adaptor for EF lenses, go for the "Viltrox SpeedBooster" which will effectively give you more natural brightness since you're using all the Fullframe area rather than simply cropping it down because of the APS-C sensor.
There's literally a dozen or even more videos about this awesome adaptor. My only downside is that I can't use EF-S lenses... only EF (fullframe).
Thanks! I'm just getting started with videography and I have been looking for an answer regarding the issues around using 60fps footage in a 24fps timeline, and you laid it out very clearly. Being purposeful and having a plan/reason for each shot is so important.
damn son, this video blowing up. Been subbed for a long time and have seen amazing growth. keep it up man! love it.
Short and sweet. Straight to the point. Thank you!
This is exactly how I shoot! If I shoot in 60 or 120 FPS, I will be slowing it down or not using that clip in the final video. The rest is shot at 24 FPS. I also label the clips in the timeline by frame rate just to help keep track of everything.
Thanks for stating this. Exactly the info I was looking for.
30 FPS : Am I a joke to you?!
hahaha I never shoot at 30
@@DannyGevirtz why?
@@gabrielborjas7923 i have no need for 30. I either want something to be a true 24 or i was to slow something down so i shoot at 60.
@@DannyGevirtz thanks for answering!
For vlogging ,to me 60 fps is perfect ,because it looks so funny and much more pleasant to the human eye.
Dude straight to the point! Good job, I just subscribed.
This was soo helpful for such a short video. Thanks sos much for sharing :)
underrated channel, your videos are way too well made for your sub count and you are a cool dude
Damn man that was awesome of you to say. Thank you. I appreciate you man!
@@DannyGevirtz
The topic is very debatable. One should just experiment and decide for himself, it depends a lot from the circumstances. 180 degree shutter speed rule is more or less fine for 24 fps, although I would encourage anyone to experiment with another settings more freely, for example set it to 1/40 or 1/60 depending on the mood of the video or other reasons. Don't forget that for low light there is a certain reason to shot at a very low shutter speed like maybe 24-30 if you are really in the dark and the scene is more or less static. For high fps the 180 degree shutter speed is a myth, it don't work the same here. For a lots of scenarios, like documentary, interviews, 50 fps - 1/50 shutter looks just great. And can be easily converted to a 24-25 fps final render if needed.
Thank you for sharing 😊
Fantastic video! Thank you so much!
Thank you! Super useful.
So happy to hear this! Thank you!!!
Good for me...tq bro... I'm always use the 60fps
Thanks for watching man!
I film most of my b-roll in 60 fps. When i haven’t done that, the random can 24 footage seems a bit out of place. One trick that helps though, is speed ramping from Slow to normal speed, then the 24 shot right after doesn’t feel as out of place imo. Thanks for the vid!
Thanks for commenting Rashad! Depends for sure! Camera movement plays a big part in this as well!
Great job mate!
Always wanted this answered. Good man
Glad to hear it! Thanks man!
Please make more videos. I love watching your videos. They are very helpful, and i watch it even if i know some stuff.
Thanks so much man! Glad this all helpful! Making as many as I can haha!
Hey, can you please share your 1dx mark ii profile? I have the same camera and i want the same colors as you. I tried figuring out but not getting that look.
@@ShivajiGalewad Hey so i get asked this quite often and it has very little to do with profile. i pretty much just have everything pulled down all the way. saturation, contract, and sharpness all as low as possible. But its really just about getting proper exposure and reading light.
Heyy, thank you so much mann! I’ll try this, i used shoot in neutral profile.
ME too!! He is great!
Hi, guys!
I'm so confused..
I'm about to edit a slowmo broll video that I shooted in 60fps (120 shutterspeed).
Which timeline should I edit in for more cinematic video? 60fps on a 24timeline or 60timeline?
Sry for bad english.
Hey Martin! Put the sequence in a 24 sequence! The clips will be framed down automatically but youll still be able to slow clips down. The only thing this video is suuggesting is that your 60 in yhe 24 timeline isnt a "true" 24 look, but it still works!
@@DannyGevirtz thanks that's the answer I'm looking for
Totally agree, great video! I remember when one teacher always knew when someone used the wrong framerate in the video we just shot. I also think he usually noticed it when watching the credits after the video's.
Thank you. I had been looking for this answer for days on TH-cam. You finally answered it perfectly. Thank you again.
Lighting on point
Thanks so much dude! Appreciate that
The only no-ompromise way to resolve these fps issues is to bloody shoot in 120 fps. It can be used for 24, 30, 60 whatever, without that stuttering effect.
Is it true?
@@SantertainmentIndonesia Yes cause 120 is divisible by all these fps. Though, the image will not have a cinematic look, because motion blur will be lower.
Unless you're also recording audio
If you want a true 24 which is what this video is about you cannot shoot in 120
THIS is the break down I’ve been looking for !
New Sub. I’ve been searching for this video for so long. Thank you for making this
Could you give a shot of your current lighting setup you used for this video. Love the look.
Thanks dude! Nothing crazy. I just have a soft source as a key doing some rembrandt style. The I have a harsher edge light directly up and behind me thats coming out tungsten.
@@DannyGevirtz Oh awesome. Thanks! I always see this look and wonder if someone is firing a light from the floor towards the wall behind you to get almost a halo effect around the body, But i guess it's just the hard light's spill hitting the back wall from above?
@@Ben-id1tc I think some people do that for sure. I was just trying to keep it simple! But yeah that's spill from the overhead edge light.
thank you so much..you are clear and know whats your talking about...what effect are you using in this video for yourself(this video)..do you have some softboxes and a backdrop?..the reason im asking is I love that style but not sure how the experts do it, appreciate your reply!..cheers
Thanks so much! Appreciate you a ton!! Just a soft key and a harder edge behind me with a dark grey background
Thanks for the explanation and the great video!
These are great tips. I was always wondering about this. Thank you so much.
Glad you thought so! Thank you!!!
Danny Gevirtz New Subscriber to your Channel. Your channel provides so much value.
The other thing you didn't mention is that the less frames per second, the more data per frame at a given bitrate.
So the image quality shot at 24fps 100mbit will be better than the image quality shot at 60fps 100mbit.
Bitrate should be measured in mbits/frame rather than mbits/sec when it comes to determining quality.
Ohh bro I was looking for this answer all day long, that’s means if I want to use 60fps which is the best bitrate for that?
@@carlosmarco01 when it comes to capture, as high as the camera will allow. When it comes to encoding for publishing, as high as you can get away with.
There's no singular number to answer that as there are multiple factors such as screen resolution, output platform (HDR vs SDR), and mostly content (fast moving vs slow, grainy vs smooth) etc.
Just go for the high option when using high framerates.
A question for pros:
What happens when you shot at cinematic 24fps and upload it to instagram or youtube which requires minimum 30fps so auto convert your shot to it.
So is it better to shot at 24fps or 30fps for social media?
Well if you already knew that Instagram or TH-cam would auto-scale it to 30 fps, you should shot everything at 30 fps then. Based on Potato Jet's channel, he said that the missing or extra frames when published would be either duplicated or taken out from the frames, which would make the videos a bit choppier.
This is the kind of questions that shouldn't be ever left unanswered. 24 FPS my a55
Simple and to the point. Thank you, Loved the examples. Subscribed!
Glad you thought so! Thanks Johnny!
Superb information. Thank you.