When I watched this episode, I actually started crying as soon as it started playing before the big reveal, and then come the reveal, I was a sobbing mess.
im sorry to say i couldnt help but burst out laughing, due to a previous charlie brooker joke where he said something about a reality tv show where he tricks people coming out of operations into thinking they had died and were in heaven. he wanted to call the show "heaven is a place on earth" it amazed me, and made me laugh that he turned the idea for his sick joke into the endings of one of the best pieces of writing ive ever seen. god i love charlie.
Ooh!! That episode won an Emmy too! Niiice! (Tbh, people had warned me I was probably gonna cry, but I wasn't expecting the waterfalls o.o it was such a great episode!)
I love how the songs played in this episode give clues to it not being the real world, and a type of afterlife: Heaven is a Place on Earth Fake Girlfriend In a Coma Don't You (Forget About Me) Heart and Soul Living in a Box Can't Get You Out of My Head
A few more songs in it that make references: INXS "Need You Tonight" has the line "the 21st century is yesterday" (is the episode taking place after 2100? other calculations would place it around 2030-2040, if we assume Yorkie actually experienced 1987 in real life.) The Bangles' "Walk Like An Egyptian" is another reference to the afterlife. Robbie Nevil's "C'est La Vie": in French that means "that's life".
Even San Junipero will not last forever. I love that they actually showed the robots placing their consciousness "cookies" into the mainframe, and the lights dancing. Just to remind you that this is all based on technology, which is impermanent.
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This is absolutely correct. There is no man-made afterlife scenario that can even potentially be infinite. If there is no God and no afterlife (which I believe there is, and that there is very good evidence for this), our universe will simple fade away into heat death. Eventually every particle of matter in the universe will be evenly distributed, and far apart. The entirety of our universe will be cold, dark, and empty. This WILL happen, this is not science fiction.
I got the impression that the people in the Quagmire were people who "passed over" without having a partner with them. They were those who feared death, but overlooked the idea that they needed a *reason* to live, so they were lost and yearning. I never got the impression that our two main characters will face that problem.
I don't think its inherently bad. Some people are into kinky stuff, and this is a place where they can explore that free from risk and judgement. That said, it would have to exist, or people might just go around punching each other and throwing each other off rooftops in the main part of the town, and those people would quickly become very unpopular.
I loved this. Yeah you cried but hey, you kept it together. I was a mess, I lost it from the moment Kelly saw Yorkie for the first time in the real world. It was a great discussion and I totally understand what made both of you cry. I would ‘pass over’ to San Junipero only if I knew I could get out whenever I wanted.
I would pass over, I don't really care if it's not the "real" me. I don't really believe in souls anyway, so even if it's just a copy of me, I think that copy would still be a person, and she would get to stay in this paradise-like world. Also, there are probably other places in the virtual world that aren't clubs and parties - I can't imagine what amazing things its residents have created in terms of art and culture, when they live as long as they want and never need to work to survive. And all the things that are too dangerous or physically impossible in the real world can be done in this world with no problems! So yeah, I would definitely want to stick around, and I don't think I would choose to delete myself for a very long time, if ever.
It's true that the possibilities there would be endless!! I would definitely check it out(if only for a moment) at some point, 'cause the idea to travel through many eras is reeeeally appealing *.*
The simulation curb the physical pain. not the mental form. I am actually optimistic for the ending, I feel like they wont get bored with the place for a long time, they have each other. They are in love with each other, not the place.
I also love how this episode puts a spin on "heaven". Why is it up to someone or something else to tell you that you get to go to heaven or not, to judge you based on how you lived your life, etc. What if you could just choose heaven for yourself, if you could decide that you are good enough and that you are worthy of it? It's pretty beautiful, compared to how we normally think of ourselves.
It's one of the most beautiful episodes of Black Mirror in that it's a rare episode with a happy ending. :) So glad you loved it too. Couldn't stop bawling my eyes out either watching this video too haha. Hope you post more videos babes! :D Cheers. :D
I'm three years late, I know, but I was intrigued with your pov. Here's mine. If you think about it, the server that runs San Junipero and 'Heaven' are the same. Both are man-made constructs that is made to achieve one thing: that soothing sensation called Hope. And I think that's a good thing, well, depending on one's pov, of course.
Please let yourself cry in these reaction videos if that is how you feel. Don't hold back, your reactions when you first see these shows remind of us our own reactions when WE first saw them. You help us feel those emotions again through you. Thanks :) xo
You said to that guy - He believed it, how convenient, rewatching for 50th times i finally understood why he believed it so easily, love episodes in wich with second viewing you can get even more things
When I finished watching San Junipero for the first time, I literally turned around and watched it again to pick up more clues. Even so, there are many more clues that I didn't pick up until a later re-viewing, or until someone else pointed it out. For example, SJ is set in California. In real-world California, the highway that runs through Silicon Valley, right next to Apple and Google and all the rest, is I-280, the Junipero Serra Freeway, named after San Junipero Serra, a sainted priest who had made it his mission to save souls. I'm not sure that saving them on flash drives is what he had in mind, granted!
@@tookitogo I could discuss this ep endlessly! I actually found something that NO ONE has noticed in all the reaction & review vids on YT & all the comments!! It's big, too. IDK how many times I saw the scenes before it occurred to me to look for it! I'm actually thinking of making my first video essay on this ep b/c I want to share that w/ everyone but I don't want it just to get buried in the comments on some 3-year-old video! If I ever make a vid, I'll try to get around to other big fans like you & let you know. But I'm so slow it will probably be another 3 years before I actually do it!
He's our cute little cinnamon bun X3 (we've started to suspect that he actually likes watching Black mirror with us xD) but yeah, he is a sweetheart! (Total opposite from his grumpy 16 year old "brother" :P)
Aw I love this reaction! So authentic really great episode to spark a philosophical debate. Is it better to stay in the real world and die or become immortal and live in an artificially constructed world? Love all your points! Edit: and yes it did make me cry! It also made me question whether if I did go to San Junipero I could miss out on the actual afterlife... but that’s another debate entirely hahaa, and also, if it’s just their cookies consciousness like the ones from white Christmas then it’s not even the real you anyway. Gosh who knows! Love Black Mirror for this reason it’s so goood!
I think visiting the place pretty much confirms that it's the real them b/c they come back to their bodies & remember San Junipero. They can recall their life in SJ when they are in their physical bodies, and when they are in SJ, they can recall their physical life. They become permanent residents of SJ (if they choose) when they can no longer return to their body.
Ever since someone mentioned it to me, I've been pretty excited to get to it and I must say, I was not disappointed at all!! T.T I hope you enjoy our reaction ;D
Brooker has said that he wrote it “to upend the notion of what a _Black Mirror_ episode was.” :) www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2017/09/16/san-junipero-revisited-black-mirrors-heartbreaking-vision-heaven/
I was very young in 1987, it was the year before I started school. After the credits roll, I could definatly see these two adopting a deceased child, and part of me hopes it could be me.
J'aime vraiment le fait que vous nous donniez vos impressions et que vous débattez ses épisodes après les avoir vus. Vous vous contentez pas de juste réagir sur le moment. Très bon boulot les filles^^ Et pour le côté émotionnel, je suis pareil. Certaines séries me font pleurer à chaque fois (même si j'ai déjà vu les épisodes 10 fois). La série qui me fait le plus pleurer à chaque fois : Buffy. Toujours pas trouvé mieux après 20 ans^^
You kept calling this a fake world, but look at how we live now. There are video screens everywhere (which I HATE!!). We are constantly staring at our phones (well, I'm not but a lot of people are), we have literally tens of thousands of sources of video on TV & online, we have immersive video games, addictive "social" media, and virtual reality. Do you ever question the amount of time you or others spend doing these things instead of getting out into the real world & experiencing life "unplugged"? Isn't the life K & Y are experiencing just an extension of how most people today choose to spend the brief amount of time we have here on Earth? The difference is that their "fake world" comes AFTER they've lived their lives in the real world. Countless millions of people are spending their lives RIGHT NOW, while they are in the prime of their lives, connected to electronic devices. They could be traveling, volunteering, helping animals or people or protecting nature, learning languages & fascinating things about a million subjects (I want to live forever so I can LEARN forever!!), but there is very little enthusiasm for these things, esp. among young people. We have an epidemic of childhood obesity and nature deficit disorder. Our kids are sedentary. They don't play outside like previous generations. Most people of all ages rarely spend time in NATURE. Even if they play sports, that's not the same as going for a walk in the woods. People can recognize more corporate logos than they can animals. That's tragic. There's this HUGE, beautiful world full of wonders & wildlife & interesting people & we don't appreciate it. And what we don't appreciate, we don't protect. And what we don't protect, we lose. (Edited for length)
It's the mark of a great story when it can pull those kind of emotions out of you. I still cry about Lion King. I would choose to go to San Junipero. It might be an artificially generated reality but you're still experiencing it. The people in San Junipero are real people. I'd probably spend most of my time in the current day so I can play Crusader Kings with the latest DLCs.
I love this episode so much and it made me cry too. I think I would "cross over" or whatever they called it by going to San junipero. But I think that could also be because I'm still not 100% sure I believe in heaven or an afterlife. However i think about if there is an afterlife I'd miss getting to see all my loved ones by going to san junipero. It's such a hard thing. I love the music in this one and love how they did the music to be all full of symbolism.
Here's a thought. IF there is an afterlife, would you have any guarantees that you can leave IT at any time? How do you know it's going to be all unicorns & rainbows? So why is it so important to be able to leave San Junipero whenever one wants, when one has no say in what the afterlife is like, how long it lasts, and whether we can leave it? Why have faith in one & think it will be good, but not the other? And if it's some heaven where your disembodied spirit floats around for eternity doing nothing, why would that be any better? Even a reunion with loved ones will get old if it lasts for eternity.
I know this episode is hella popular, but this episode rubbed me the wrong way. Kelly seemed real abusive and manipulative to me right off the bat. And ghosting Kelly after the sex was low. Then later in the episode they have their fight, and Yorkie shits all over Kelly’s beliefs and memory of her family. Why would these two wanna be together after that? They’ve spent what, like 15 hours together maybe? I just didn’t get why they would want to be together. Plus as a Christian, I felt really bad for Kelly’s husband. Can’t shake the feeling that he’s up there waiting for her and her soul is spending “paradise” with Yorkie
I read an interesting analysis of this episode a while back that focused on something EVERYONE else overlooked, including me: Kelly's background. Everyone focuses on Yorkie's fate since she'd missed out on so much, and also the "shitting on Kelly's beliefs" incident. What people overlook is _why_ Kelly is so reluctant to get emotionally involved: not only did she lose her daughter, but her husband DID abandon her, exactly as Yorkie said. Suddenly, The Incident doesn't seem mean or selfish: even without knowing the whole back story, Yorkie had grasped the situation with Richard _perfectly_ - it was just a truth that Kelly had tried to block out. He _could_ have chosen to stay with his wife for her sake, but he didn't. She was left _completely alone_ as a result of his decision. So Kelly put up this huge emotional barrier to protect herself. But the barrier meant to keep out the hurt also made it hard to let out the love she had within. Kelly's change of heart in the end, to go with Yorkie, is Kelly realizing that she can choose to let down her guard and allow herself to love and be loved.
P.S. You don't _have_ to choose to look at things as affronts to your faith. It's a fiction story, and it's OK to see it within its own isolated reality.
"Up there,"- where? And if you are still stuck in space & time ("waiting" for someone), what kind of Heaven is that? If there IS an eternal Heaven (and the Bible teaches that God's Kingdom will come to EARTH, where Christ & his Church will reign), then that Heaven HAS TO BE outside time & space, meaning that everything is done the moment you die. You are in eternity ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE, regardless of when people died. And who said Kelly's husband was a Christian?? Lots of people who believe in the afterlife aren't Christians. And wouldn't it mean that he's in HELL, according to your theology, if he wasn't a believer? But I guess you think that Kelly should go there, too, since she should go wherever he is? No thanks. Also, what if you're wrong? What if death is the end of consciousness (unless humans find a way to keep it alive after death) & Kelly would just join her husband (and daughter, although apparently you don't care about her being reunited w/ her mom) in the ground.
Why do you say Yorkie shits all over Kelly's beliefs? She doesn't do that. Kelly said she WISHED she believed that her husband & daughter were together, but she DOESN'T. She BELIEVES THEY NO LONGER EXIST. They are gone. Yorkie did cross the line by saying Kelly's husband was selfish. He was actually unselfish b/c he didn't want to go to San Junipero b/c his daughter didn't have that opportunity. How noble. And stupid. That's like someone saying they aren't going to vote or go to college b/c their parents or mother didn't have the right to vote or the opportunity to go to college. LIFE GOES ON. Society makes progress. Most Americans live lives of convenience & abundance & comfort that would have seemed like MAGIC to the billions of people who lived before us. Kelly didn't die when her daughter died, (even though I can't imagine anything more painful than losing a child). But the bottom line is that Kelly's husband chose their daughter over her. Instead of choosing the GUARANTEE of having the closest thing to spending eternity w/ Kelly that he could have, he decided he'd rather just die on the off chance he MIGHT see her in an afterlife. Or he may just lay in the ground with her, not even decomposing properly b/c of the unnatural way we embalm & bury out dead in this country. He wouldn't even VISIT San Junipero. He DID chose to leave certain happiness w/ Kelly. Why should Kelly make that same mistake and also hurt Yorkie?
i loved it. i cried. the soundrack, damn! but... this is all fake. and you are stuck in a finite world for, possibly, eternity, will all the faults a human being has. does that make it, in time, the 7th circle of a personal hell itself!?
_"and you are stuck in a finite world for, possibly, eternity"_ Well, it's not really finite, they've upgraded the simulation several times already, and from what I understand none of the "occupants" are kept in there against their will.
She left her Daughter and Husband at the pearly gates to be with a chick she's known for a few days...I'm sorry I don't get the happy ending here..I'm thinking from the daughters perspective, you're waiting for your mom to join you in heaven and instead you get some random person whose telling you she isn't gonna join you. I mean if Yorkie and Kelly had been lifelong friends/lovers etc then maybe this would hit home more..
Well, they COULDN'T have been lifelong friends/lovers b/c that would have been a completely different story! This story is about second chances. You have a very strange concept of the afterlife. 1) What makes you think Kelly's daughter is in Heaven? 2) Where in the world do you get the idea that you'll be waiting for someone in Heaven and "instead you get some random person WHO'S (not whose) telling you she isn't gonna join you"? Why would some random person know or care about any of this? That's just bizarre. 3) You're thinking from YOUR perspective, not from the daughter's perspective. You don't know WHAT the daughter's perspective is. Maybe Kelly's daughter was an atheist. Kelly herself didn't believe in an afterlife. She didn't think that her husband & daughter were together. She thought they were just gone. They had ceased to be. And I think it's crappy for you to try to guilt her into possibly choosing annihilation over happiness on the basis of what YOU believe. 4) She's known Yorkie for 5 months, not "a few days". We learn from their first scene together that Yorkie has 5 months to live, and we know that Kelly also saw Yorkie at some point after her death, and then more time passed before Kelly decided to pass over. 5) Fundamentalist Christians would say that if Kelly's daughter or Kelly didn't accept Christ as her savior, she'd go to Hell. Some people believe that if you aren't a part of their religion, you'll go to Hell. Catholics believe in purgatory. I personally believe that the Bible teaches that the Kingdom of God will come TO EARTH, ALL CREATION will be restored, and the righteous will reign on Earth with Jesus Christ. I can back that up with scriptures but this isn't a Bible study. Just because YOU believe something, it doesn't make it objective reality, and it doesn't mean other people are wrong for believing differently. 6) If you are waiting forever for someone and missing them, then how can that be Heaven?? Heaven is a place where you have everything you need. You aren't WAITING for it for decades or years or even seconds. Heaven, by definition, has to be outside of space & time. It's not a place, but a condition; and eternity is outside of time. IF there is a Heaven, then the moment you are there, SO IS EVERYONE ELSE. 7) Romeo & Juliet knew each other for 3 days.
I don't understand why some people feel Kelly should not have stayed w/ Yorkie. If she was 23 & her husband died, would you expect her to never marry again for the rest of her life? No one would expect that of someone young! You're basically punishing Kelly for being old & near death! Don't forget,- he left her. He could be w/ her now, but HE decided to LEAVE HER alone. Why no sympathy for her? Because she's a woman & isn't as important to you as the man?? Really, the burdens you put on Kelly are UNREASONABLE!! They also show real disregard for the longing of the elderly for emotional & physical intimacy ("No love for you, old lady!) & a complete lack of contemplation about the episode or the afterlife. And what if some man's wife dies & he remarries? If she dies, too, does that mean that BOTH his wives are waiting for him. How very Mormon of you. So what about a woman whose husband dies & then she remarries & that husband dies too? Are they going to be 3 peas in a pod in "Heaven"? What if he also had a first wife who died? Will the 4 of them all be cozy together like some bizarre afterlife orgy?? Or will they have to choose one husband & leave the other? Or maybe they'll all be together in Hell? (Edited to rearrange some sentences.)
We haven't stopped caring one bit :/ not about the show nor about the channel, I'm currently in the hospital for a stage 4 Hodgkin cancer diagnosis, that's why we haven't been posting And if you mean the episodes, this one was one of my favorites of the show! I cried like crazy so I fail to see your point 🤷
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This episode is one of my favorite pieces of art ever. I cry every time. I want more sci fi like this.
Everytime "Heaven is a place on earth" starts i get teary eyed. I love this episode soooo much!
I never thought I would one day cry to this song o.o it helps that the episode was amazing!!
Yeah. I can never hear that song the same way again!
When I watched this episode, I actually started crying as soon as it started playing before the big reveal, and then come the reveal, I was a sobbing mess.
im sorry to say i couldnt help but burst out laughing, due to a previous charlie brooker joke where he said something about a reality tv show where he tricks people coming out of operations into thinking they had died and were in heaven.
he wanted to call the show "heaven is a place on earth"
it amazed me, and made me laugh that he turned the idea for his sick joke into the endings of one of the best pieces of writing ive ever seen.
god i love charlie.
What would Belinda say? SHE should release a Reaction Video to this Episode!
This is a common reaction to this episode. That's why it won an Emmy.
Ooh!! That episode won an Emmy too! Niiice! (Tbh, people had warned me I was probably gonna cry, but I wasn't expecting the waterfalls o.o it was such a great episode!)
I love how the songs played in this episode give clues to it not being the real world, and a type of afterlife:
Heaven is a Place on Earth
Fake
Girlfriend In a Coma
Don't You (Forget About Me)
Heart and Soul
Living in a Box
Can't Get You Out of My Head
Oh shit!! I didn't even notice o.o (well...except for heaven is a place on Earth, but that one's obvious) thank you for pointing it out!! :D
To be honest, it was quite obvious it wasn't the real world from the very beginning.
A few more songs in it that make references:
INXS "Need You Tonight" has the line "the 21st century is yesterday" (is the episode taking place after 2100? other calculations would place it around 2030-2040, if we assume Yorkie actually experienced 1987 in real life.)
The Bangles' "Walk Like An Egyptian" is another reference to the afterlife.
Robbie Nevil's "C'est La Vie": in French that means "that's life".
@@Nico-zw9ud How was it obvious?
@@tookitogo Also, Ironic by Alanis Morrisette, Can't Get You Out Of My Head, Funky Town, Something Against Me by The Pixies, Wishing Well, Lean on Me.
Even San Junipero will not last forever. I love that they actually showed the robots placing their consciousness "cookies" into the mainframe, and the lights dancing. Just to remind you that this is all based on technology, which is impermanent.
This is absolutely correct. There is no man-made afterlife scenario that can even potentially be infinite. If there is no God and no afterlife (which I believe there is, and that there is very good evidence for this), our universe will simple fade away into heat death. Eventually every particle of matter in the universe will be evenly distributed, and far apart. The entirety of our universe will be cold, dark, and empty. This WILL happen, this is not science fiction.
I got the impression that the people in the Quagmire were people who "passed over" without having a partner with them. They were those who feared death, but overlooked the idea that they needed a *reason* to live, so they were lost and yearning. I never got the impression that our two main characters will face that problem.
I don't think its inherently bad. Some people are into kinky stuff, and this is a place where they can explore that free from risk and judgement. That said, it would have to exist, or people might just go around punching each other and throwing each other off rooftops in the main part of the town, and those people would quickly become very unpopular.
One of the things I love about BM is it nearly always leads to people having deep philosophical discussions. Thanks for sharing.
I loved this. Yeah you cried but hey, you kept it together. I was a mess, I lost it from the moment Kelly saw Yorkie for the first time in the real world. It was a great discussion and I totally understand what made both of you cry. I would ‘pass over’ to San Junipero only if I knew I could get out whenever I wanted.
It's such a beautiful episode! (I gotta say, I tried so hard not to cry at that part too, the whole episode was so emotional T.T)
I would pass over, I don't really care if it's not the "real" me. I don't really believe in souls anyway, so even if it's just a copy of me, I think that copy would still be a person, and she would get to stay in this paradise-like world. Also, there are probably other places in the virtual world that aren't clubs and parties - I can't imagine what amazing things its residents have created in terms of art and culture, when they live as long as they want and never need to work to survive. And all the things that are too dangerous or physically impossible in the real world can be done in this world with no problems! So yeah, I would definitely want to stick around, and I don't think I would choose to delete myself for a very long time, if ever.
It's true that the possibilities there would be endless!! I would definitely check it out(if only for a moment) at some point, 'cause the idea to travel through many eras is reeeeally appealing *.*
The simulation curb the physical pain. not the mental form. I am actually optimistic for the ending, I feel like they wont get bored with the place for a long time, they have each other. They are in love with each other, not the place.
Its a shame you guys dont get more views, your post reaction analysis is amazing.
Thank you x3
I also love how this episode puts a spin on "heaven". Why is it up to someone or something else to tell you that you get to go to heaven or not, to judge you based on how you lived your life, etc. What if you could just choose heaven for yourself, if you could decide that you are good enough and that you are worthy of it? It's pretty beautiful, compared to how we normally think of ourselves.
It's one of the most beautiful episodes of Black Mirror in that it's a rare episode with a happy ending. :) So glad you loved it too. Couldn't stop bawling my eyes out either watching this video too haha. Hope you post more videos babes! :D Cheers. :D
This is a year late but the clue everyone missed was the video game guy said "the game is different with two players "
Well, not _everyone_ missed it!
Actually, I've seen that comment a lot on YT.
I'm three years late, I know, but I was intrigued with your pov. Here's mine. If you think about it, the server that runs San Junipero and 'Heaven' are the same. Both are man-made constructs that is made to achieve one thing: that soothing sensation called Hope. And I think that's a good thing, well, depending on one's pov, of course.
Please let yourself cry in these reaction videos if that is how you feel. Don't hold back, your reactions when you first see these shows remind of us our own reactions when WE first saw them. You help us feel those emotions again through you. Thanks :) xo
You said to that guy - He believed it, how convenient, rewatching for 50th times i finally understood why he believed it so easily, love episodes in wich with second viewing you can get even more things
When I finished watching San Junipero for the first time, I literally turned around and watched it again to pick up more clues. Even so, there are many more clues that I didn't pick up until a later re-viewing, or until someone else pointed it out.
For example, SJ is set in California. In real-world California, the highway that runs through Silicon Valley, right next to Apple and Google and all the rest, is I-280, the Junipero Serra Freeway, named after San Junipero Serra, a sainted priest who had made it his mission to save souls. I'm not sure that saving them on flash drives is what he had in mind, granted!
@@tookitogo I could discuss this ep endlessly! I actually found something that NO ONE has noticed in all the reaction & review vids on YT & all the comments!! It's big, too. IDK how many times I saw the scenes before it occurred to me to look for it! I'm actually thinking of making my first video essay on this ep b/c I want to share that w/ everyone but I don't want it just to get buried in the comments on some 3-year-old video! If I ever make a vid, I'll try to get around to other big fans like you & let you know. But I'm so slow it will probably be another 3 years before I actually do it!
@@DonnaBrooks you better explain cause u got me too hooked now
What I find funny, it's Black Mirror have a lot of tragic stories... but I only cried at this episode, even though it kind of have a happy ending...
Your cat is so cute. Mine also likes to sit by/on my head and demand attention and "kisses".
He's our cute little cinnamon bun X3 (we've started to suspect that he actually likes watching Black mirror with us xD) but yeah, he is a sweetheart! (Total opposite from his grumpy 16 year old "brother" :P)
@@kyuujinreacts It would be brilliant if he can provide commentary too.
It is really okay to cry. I watch this episode so many times and still cry
Aw I love this reaction! So authentic really great episode to spark a philosophical debate.
Is it better to stay in the real world and die or become immortal and live in an artificially constructed world?
Love all your points!
Edit: and yes it did make me cry!
It also made me question whether if I did go to San Junipero I could miss out on the actual afterlife... but that’s another debate entirely hahaa, and also, if it’s just their cookies consciousness like the ones from white Christmas then it’s not even the real you anyway. Gosh who knows! Love Black Mirror for this reason it’s so goood!
I think visiting the place pretty much confirms that it's the real them b/c they come back to their bodies & remember San Junipero. They can recall their life in SJ when they are in their physical bodies, and when they are in SJ, they can recall their physical life. They become permanent residents of SJ (if they choose) when they can no longer return to their body.
Yes! I've been waiting for you guys to react to this!
Ever since someone mentioned it to me, I've been pretty excited to get to it and I must say, I was not disappointed at all!! T.T I hope you enjoy our reaction ;D
I love this episode so much. It's like Brooker decided we needed some hope. But he still made it a bit dark. :-)
Brooker has said that he wrote it “to upend the notion of what a _Black Mirror_ episode was.” :)
www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2017/09/16/san-junipero-revisited-black-mirrors-heartbreaking-vision-heaven/
I was very young in 1987, it was the year before I started school. After the credits roll, I could definatly see these two adopting a deceased child, and part of me hopes it could be me.
J'aime vraiment le fait que vous nous donniez vos impressions et que vous débattez ses épisodes après les avoir vus. Vous vous contentez pas de juste réagir sur le moment. Très bon boulot les filles^^
Et pour le côté émotionnel, je suis pareil. Certaines séries me font pleurer à chaque fois (même si j'ai déjà vu les épisodes 10 fois). La série qui me fait le plus pleurer à chaque fois : Buffy. Toujours pas trouvé mieux après 20 ans^^
Aaaaah une excellente série ça aussi :D!! Merci beaucoup!! ;)
I'm so glad these kids can't really picture how hard gay in the 80s could be.
great reaction - any show with the Smiths gets my vote ;) i want your cat btw! - and yes i cried too ;)
XD thank you n.n
I had a fucking MELTDOWN when I watched this, so I feel you.
You kept calling this a fake world, but look at how we live now. There are video screens everywhere (which I HATE!!). We are constantly staring at our phones (well, I'm not but a lot of people are), we have literally tens of thousands of sources of video on TV & online, we have immersive video games, addictive "social" media, and virtual reality. Do you ever question the amount of time you or others spend doing these things instead of getting out into the real world & experiencing life "unplugged"? Isn't the life K & Y are experiencing just an extension of how most people today choose to spend the brief amount of time we have here on Earth? The difference is that their "fake world" comes AFTER they've lived their lives in the real world. Countless millions of people are spending their lives RIGHT NOW, while they are in the prime of their lives, connected to electronic devices. They could be traveling, volunteering, helping animals or people or protecting nature, learning languages & fascinating things about a million subjects (I want to live forever so I can LEARN forever!!), but there is very little enthusiasm for these things, esp. among young people. We have an epidemic of childhood obesity and nature deficit disorder. Our kids are sedentary. They don't play outside like previous generations. Most people of all ages rarely spend time in NATURE. Even if they play sports, that's not the same as going for a walk in the woods. People can recognize more corporate logos than they can animals. That's tragic. There's this HUGE, beautiful world full of wonders & wildlife & interesting people & we don't appreciate it. And what we don't appreciate, we don't protect. And what we don't protect, we lose. (Edited for length)
Great reactions by the way, thanks!
Thank you!! :D
Yes! Love this episode.
It has officially become one of my favorites T.T it's such a great episode
I wish the brunette had spoken more. I really wanted to hear her thoughts & feelings about the ep.
My favourite episode of the show!
My english teacher had us watch this episode in class instead if doing actual work and I was sitting in a corner desk trying not to cry :|
Really!?! Your teacher was a lot more original than mine xD I can't tell how many times they made us watch the pilot episode of Smallville in school 😅
It's the mark of a great story when it can pull those kind of emotions out of you. I still cry about Lion King.
I would choose to go to San Junipero. It might be an artificially generated reality but you're still experiencing it. The people in San Junipero are real people. I'd probably spend most of my time in the current day so I can play Crusader Kings with the latest DLCs.
I love this episode so much and it made me cry too. I think I would "cross over" or whatever they called it by going to San junipero. But I think that could also be because I'm still not 100% sure I believe in heaven or an afterlife. However i think about if there is an afterlife I'd miss getting to see all my loved ones by going to san junipero. It's such a hard thing.
I love the music in this one and love how they did the music to be all full of symbolism.
Here's a thought. IF there is an afterlife, would you have any guarantees that you can leave IT at any time? How do you know it's going to be all unicorns & rainbows? So why is it so important to be able to leave San Junipero whenever one wants, when one has no say in what the afterlife is like, how long it lasts, and whether we can leave it? Why have faith in one & think it will be good, but not the other? And if it's some heaven where your disembodied spirit floats around for eternity doing nothing, why would that be any better? Even a reunion with loved ones will get old if it lasts for eternity.
Oh, you both didn't cry at all. LOL
XD gotta love misleading titles ;D
What song is at : 6:15 ? please help!
Is a plagiarism by Dua Lipa for her song Break my heart
"Need you tonight" by INXS
exact same reactio and we have the same hair! i love you! god damn it it's too fucking beautiful and sad and sweet
Most important TimeMarks:
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I wish some People out there could just get a Heartwarming injection.
Did you play Mass Effect trilogy?
Actually, nope! I've seen people play a little and heard about parts of the story, but never played it myself n.n
The Good Place final season
That poor brunette barely gets to talk.
Hell = Heaven + time
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Beautiful :-)
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Ouaip!! :D et merci ;)
scissor me timbers
I know this episode is hella popular, but this episode rubbed me the wrong way. Kelly seemed real abusive and manipulative to me right off the bat. And ghosting Kelly after the sex was low. Then later in the episode they have their fight, and Yorkie shits all over Kelly’s beliefs and memory of her family. Why would these two wanna be together after that? They’ve spent what, like 15 hours together maybe? I just didn’t get why they would want to be together. Plus as a Christian, I felt really bad for Kelly’s husband. Can’t shake the feeling that he’s up there waiting for her and her soul is spending “paradise” with Yorkie
I read an interesting analysis of this episode a while back that focused on something EVERYONE else overlooked, including me: Kelly's background. Everyone focuses on Yorkie's fate since she'd missed out on so much, and also the "shitting on Kelly's beliefs" incident. What people overlook is _why_ Kelly is so reluctant to get emotionally involved: not only did she lose her daughter, but her husband DID abandon her, exactly as Yorkie said. Suddenly, The Incident doesn't seem mean or selfish: even without knowing the whole back story, Yorkie had grasped the situation with Richard _perfectly_ - it was just a truth that Kelly had tried to block out. He _could_ have chosen to stay with his wife for her sake, but he didn't. She was left _completely alone_ as a result of his decision. So Kelly put up this huge emotional barrier to protect herself. But the barrier meant to keep out the hurt also made it hard to let out the love she had within. Kelly's change of heart in the end, to go with Yorkie, is Kelly realizing that she can choose to let down her guard and allow herself to love and be loved.
P.S. You don't _have_ to choose to look at things as affronts to your faith. It's a fiction story, and it's OK to see it within its own isolated reality.
"Up there,"- where? And if you are still stuck in space & time ("waiting" for someone), what kind of Heaven is that? If there IS an eternal Heaven (and the Bible teaches that God's Kingdom will come to EARTH, where Christ & his Church will reign), then that Heaven HAS TO BE outside time & space, meaning that everything is done the moment you die. You are in eternity ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE, regardless of when people died. And who said Kelly's husband was a Christian?? Lots of people who believe in the afterlife aren't Christians. And wouldn't it mean that he's in HELL, according to your theology, if he wasn't a believer? But I guess you think that Kelly should go there, too, since she should go wherever he is? No thanks. Also, what if you're wrong? What if death is the end of consciousness (unless humans find a way to keep it alive after death) & Kelly would just join her husband (and daughter, although apparently you don't care about her being reunited w/ her mom) in the ground.
I think you meant ghosting YORKIE, not Kelly.
Why do you say Yorkie shits all over Kelly's beliefs? She doesn't do that. Kelly said she WISHED she believed that her husband & daughter were together, but she DOESN'T. She BELIEVES THEY NO LONGER EXIST. They are gone. Yorkie did cross the line by saying Kelly's husband was selfish. He was actually unselfish b/c he didn't want to go to San Junipero b/c his daughter didn't have that opportunity. How noble. And stupid. That's like someone saying they aren't going to vote or go to college b/c their parents or mother didn't have the right to vote or the opportunity to go to college. LIFE GOES ON. Society makes progress. Most Americans live lives of convenience & abundance & comfort that would have seemed like MAGIC to the billions of people who lived before us. Kelly didn't die when her daughter died, (even though I can't imagine anything more painful than losing a child). But the bottom line is that Kelly's husband chose their daughter over her. Instead of choosing the GUARANTEE of having the closest thing to spending eternity w/ Kelly that he could have, he decided he'd rather just die on the off chance he MIGHT see her in an afterlife. Or he may just lay in the ground with her, not even decomposing properly b/c of the unnatural way we embalm & bury out dead in this country. He wouldn't even VISIT San Junipero. He DID chose to leave certain happiness w/ Kelly. Why should Kelly make that same mistake and also hurt Yorkie?
i loved it. i cried. the soundrack, damn! but... this is all fake. and you are stuck in a finite world for, possibly, eternity, will all the faults a human being has. does that make it, in time, the 7th circle of a personal hell itself!?
_"and you are stuck in a finite world for, possibly, eternity"_
Well, it's not really finite, they've upgraded the simulation several times already, and from what I understand none of the "occupants" are kept in there against their will.
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She left her Daughter and Husband at the pearly gates to be with a chick she's known for a few days...I'm sorry I don't get the happy ending here..I'm thinking from the daughters perspective, you're waiting for your mom to join you in heaven and instead you get some random person whose telling you she isn't gonna join you. I mean if Yorkie and Kelly had been lifelong friends/lovers etc then maybe this would hit home more..
Well, they COULDN'T have been lifelong friends/lovers b/c that would have been a completely different story! This story is about second chances. You have a very strange concept of the afterlife. 1) What makes you think Kelly's daughter is in Heaven? 2) Where in the world do you get the idea that you'll be waiting for someone in Heaven and "instead you get some random person WHO'S (not whose) telling you she isn't gonna join you"? Why would some random person know or care about any of this? That's just bizarre. 3) You're thinking from YOUR perspective, not from the daughter's perspective. You don't know WHAT the daughter's perspective is. Maybe Kelly's daughter was an atheist. Kelly herself didn't believe in an afterlife. She didn't think that her husband & daughter were together. She thought they were just gone. They had ceased to be. And I think it's crappy for you to try to guilt her into possibly choosing annihilation over happiness on the basis of what YOU believe. 4) She's known Yorkie for 5 months, not "a few days". We learn from their first scene together that Yorkie has 5 months to live, and we know that Kelly also saw Yorkie at some point after her death, and then more time passed before Kelly decided to pass over. 5) Fundamentalist Christians would say that if Kelly's daughter or Kelly didn't accept Christ as her savior, she'd go to Hell. Some people believe that if you aren't a part of their religion, you'll go to Hell. Catholics believe in purgatory. I personally believe that the Bible teaches that the Kingdom of God will come TO EARTH, ALL CREATION will be restored, and the righteous will reign on Earth with Jesus Christ. I can back that up with scriptures but this isn't a Bible study. Just because YOU believe something, it doesn't make it objective reality, and it doesn't mean other people are wrong for believing differently. 6) If you are waiting forever for someone and missing them, then how can that be Heaven?? Heaven is a place where you have everything you need. You aren't WAITING for it for decades or years or even seconds. Heaven, by definition, has to be outside of space & time. It's not a place, but a condition; and eternity is outside of time. IF there is a Heaven, then the moment you are there, SO IS EVERYONE ELSE. 7) Romeo & Juliet knew each other for 3 days.
I don't understand why some people feel Kelly should not have stayed w/ Yorkie. If she was 23 & her husband died, would you expect her to never marry again for the rest of her life? No one would expect that of someone young! You're basically punishing Kelly for being old & near death! Don't forget,- he left her. He could be w/ her now, but HE decided to LEAVE HER alone. Why no sympathy for her? Because she's a woman & isn't as important to you as the man?? Really, the burdens you put on Kelly are UNREASONABLE!! They also show real disregard for the longing of the elderly for emotional & physical intimacy ("No love for you, old lady!) & a complete lack of contemplation about the episode or the afterlife.
And what if some man's wife dies & he remarries? If she dies, too, does that mean that BOTH his wives are waiting for him. How very Mormon of you. So what about a woman whose husband dies & then she remarries & that husband dies too? Are they going to be 3 peas in a pod in "Heaven"? What if he also had a first wife who died? Will the 4 of them all be cozy together like some bizarre afterlife orgy?? Or will they have to choose one husband & leave the other? Or maybe they'll all be together in Hell? (Edited to rearrange some sentences.)
Well maybe there's no "heaven"
I usually like these reactions. You 2 seem to have jaded yourselves into nothingness. Sad to see the uncaring
We haven't stopped caring one bit :/ not about the show nor about the channel, I'm currently in the hospital for a stage 4 Hodgkin cancer diagnosis, that's why we haven't been posting
And if you mean the episodes, this one was one of my favorites of the show! I cried like crazy so I fail to see your point 🤷