Should you buy the Ninja 400 NEW or USED? | Buyers Guide - which option is best for YOU?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มี.ค. 2023
- Not sure whether to buy the Kawasaki Ninja 400 New or Used? Well this video is for you!
G'day I'm Kwackajack and I own a 2019 Kawasaki Ninja 400, and one of my most frequently asked questions about my bike here on the channel is from people wondering HOW they should buy it. Should you look to get a used one from the second hand market? Or cough up the extra cash and go brand new?
Well in todays video we'll discuss the Pro's and Con's of each buying option and we'll go over a few common buyer scenarios where I'll give my recommendations for each.
Let me know if you have any other questions about this bike or motorcycles in general in the comments below!
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The birds are out to get you for real
Developing a phobia
I think the deciding factor for me is that everyone around wants MSRP for their 2-3 year old bike with a couple thousand miles on it.
The used market is insanely stupid right now. Buying new is a much better value proposition for the time being imo.
It’s cause you’ll pay 1,000+ in dealer fees and taxes, if u go buy a 5500 bike from a dealer you’ll pay a few hundred in dealer fees, if it’s a Japanese bike you’ll pay for shipping of the bike even if it’s already in the dealer and than you’ll pay taxes, I bought mine for $6,600, with a $5,499 sticker price but after dealer fees shipping and taxes it was 1,100 more than “MSRP” if you’ve ever bought a new car or new bike you’d realize nobody ever spends MSRP they always spend more. It’s just the listing price, just like a coke is ¢ .99, but after sales tax it’s $1.07, so technically it’s only 99 cents but you had to pay 1.07 for it. If u go to a person selling a bike for 5500 they’ll be willing to go down to 5,000. An then you’ll get a slightly used bike for a thousand or so less than buying new, also insurance is worse buying new bikes. Cheaper the purchase price of the bike the cheaper your insurance is.
Yeah same. Like i want a used one because its my first bike but i do not want to pay the same price as a new one. Might as well get a new one.
@ripdiptatterchip3851 because you didn't buy it outright. Mine was 4900 for a new 2015 honda cbr 300r no abs. I bought it for 5k flat, taxes, registration and whatever other fees.
@@ripdiptatterchip3851 Ok so get the new bike for 1000 more. Those used bikes aren't the deal the sellers they think they are. People would rather pay for the peace of mind for a new bike + warranty
I got mine used during Covid, 4k miles for $3,500, pristine condition. Bike already paid for itself for helping me dodge the $15 per day parking fees downtown to go to work. That plus the 30mpg better fuel economy than my car has saved a considerable amount. If I ever sell it to trade up, it'll be pure profit. I would 100% buy used again
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How only 30
@shayzadg 30mpg better than my car, which did 30mpg. I calculated the bike gets around 60mpg on my commute with how I ride.
@JCDenton3 aaaaaah sp u get 30 mpg+ ...that makes sense now cuz 30 mpg on a bike means u were at full revs everyday lol
Having just bought a 2020 Ninja 400 with a full custom white body kit, Two Brother's Exhaust, Quad Lock mount, 3200kms ridden and the old body kit/exhaust included for $6900, second hand was 100% the choice for me.
Big agree on the point that damaging a second hand bike might not sting as much vs scratching your brand new baby.
Personally, I'm a new rider and I'm looking for something to have as my everyday ride. Thanks for the video, it's kinda intimidating to pick both what kind of bike I want, as well as where to get it. Hearing opinions from people who know their bikes and stuff like this, helps a lot ^^
Glad to hear it helped mate, feel free to leave any questions here if you have any
I am planning my first bike to be 400cc engine 🚂… u just solved my problem… thanks from India 🇮🇳
Got this bike with 3k miles on it for $4.5k
Dealers here charging $7k-$8k otd. The choice was obvious and it's pretty much new. Not a single issue.
"you're pretty young, perhaps you're between 16 to 25" I thought i was pretty old at 20 years old ngl, for some reason I needed to hear that bahaha
At 20 you’re no where near being considered anything close to old. I got my bike at 23 and am 27 now. You got plenty of time
@Kwackajack cheers mate. I started riding when I was 19 and bought a LAMS ninja 650 today second hand after watching your video. Sure it wasn't a 400, but I appreciated and was really convinced on buying it after watching your comparison between a used and new bike :D
Love to hear it! Glad you got value from the video, enjoy the new Ninja!
From now I m subscriber from India,i searched for it bro.
U deserve more subscribe
U r living middle-class rider dreams.
I’m 48 , haven’t been on a bike since I was 14 it was Suzuki DS80. I’m having a mid life crisis so I’m going to buy a new ninja 🥷, over estimate my ability wrap it around a pole and become an organ donor. At least I’m honest. Thanks.
Never hurts to go to a msf course most will even let you bring your own bike to learn with
Great advice thankyou, I am turning 60 soon and wanting to get back into
riding again just weekends.secondhand sounds like a good idea, been looking at these bikes for a while now.
That break in period sounds like the perfect period for new riders to get familiar with the bike. I am planning on picking up one of these hopefully next week.
I'm doing the same exact thing. It's probably the most excited i've been. Ive wanted a bike for such a long time and when I saw the Ninja 400 I lost my mind lmao.
Hey kwackajack, I bought my brand spanking new ninja 400 a week ago and I finally got my licence on Tuesday. I can finally get on those gold coast roads!!
Hell yea! That’s been a long time coming, really happy for you mate. I’ll see you out there 🙌🏻
@@Kwackajack sucks not seeing you at work anymore but hope you're doing well!!
Thanks mate, this helped me a lot. I’ve been wondering whether I should get a new or used Ninja as my starter bike. This video solved my problems.
Good to see ya back...... Jack!!
I've gotten multiple quotes from dealers around me. Even some out of state. Out the door for a new 2023 is always $7000+ USD.
Found a 2022 with less than 1000 miles from a private seller. Asking for $4800. Could probably even negotiate a bit. I wanted new, but rather save the $3000+. Good video by the way!
Damn… 2023 base model near me is $5,300 for the non KRTs. KRTs are only $200 more. With ABS it goes to $5,900. Used are only a grand or so lower. Just not worth the risk for me. Hope yours turned out well!
@@brianleeker2899 is that MRSP or OTD? If it’s MRSP then be ready for the 1k+ dealer fees added on
@@RandySoWavvy OTD price was $6,800 with destination fees.
lucky online rn everything is msrp pretty much used or new for a base model used
Great advice mate thanks for the video 33 yearold looking for helpfull advice and got it right here thanks again
I bought my Ninja 400 2020 model, 3 years ago as a "Demo", just before COVID-19 hit Australia.
I say demo, but really it was new, because It was unpacked and assembled that very week to be used for test rides and I was the first and only rider to actually test ride it. Did get a few hundred dollars off, which made it an absolute steal with respect to what happened next in the world.
And yep, dropped it on the 3rd day of ownership. Thankfully it was onto a thick layer of honky nuts (because I was slack and didn't clean the layer off my driveway ... teach me that did), so very little damage.
The ninja 400 has been an awesome bike for me, and I'll keep it even though I have my unrestricted license now ... as it is just amazing at cutting through traffic, and costs snaff all to run, register and insure.
Handy vid and nice to see a bit of bush especially from over here in London
You're right about the extra kit chucked in on 2nd hand bikes, quite pricey improvements sometimes though sometimes pretty dorky 😂
Congratulations on ur ninja 400 ride safe
For low mileage sport bikes I worry how hard the previous owner road it during the break in period. Did they go run it hard at the track the first 2k miles and now are dumping it.
Nice video👏
Thx for share, really good info presented. got mine 2 weeks ago, almost brand new 23model only 600km including rego until end of November this year. listed 7.3k aud including RWC but not included tax charge. yes, i have contacted dealer, they have confirmed the warranty can be transferred. new one may goona wait for 6 weeks or more. I have experience rode e-scooter for 2 years, yes i can say this is the Perfect bike for new riders. easy to handle, light weight and suits for small height person like me. But a comprehensive insurance including theft protection is necessary for new riders in my opinion. You won't feel frustrated when any issue comes. As In Australia the second hand market for motorbike is mature already. I got suggestion from my friend to buy a used bike. good value and good condition. not really need to purchase a brand new bike only if u kind mind bike is not brand new.
Just got my 2021 400 for $4000. Only has 3k miles and has an aftermarket exhaust. Glad I went used!
how does it run ?
i was looking around and researching and decided to get a Z400.
as a PC enthusiast I was extremely well-aligned with buying a used bike. But when I saw the used prices...
bikes were 2yrs old, 11000km, and 400USD less than MSRP...
i went straight to a dealer and paid in cash.
Good video its the exact dilemma im facing.
Great video. Best thing I heard you say “take someone who knows bike” because I didn’t have someone, I got a new one.
That’s what I’m leaning towards also. Plus I don’t think I’d ever sell it
I’m getting mine new. I’m keeping it as my daily driver so I just want that peace of mind that the bike was treated well
Street bikes tend to hold value really well, so buying new would be my course of action if I planned to hold onto it long term. Race and touring bikes lose value very quickly. I can pick up a 4 year old K1600 with under 30,000km on the clock for half of the new dealer price.
@@dylanm7136 Street bike hold value really well. If you are looking at the H2 or the Road Glide, they will lose value. If you are looking at the Ninja 400 or the SV 650, they will hold more value compared to the purchase price new. If you are looking at a purpose specific bike like a sport, ADV, motocross, or touring, they have a limited buyer base (let's just say each has 10% of the overall market.) Street bikes run the gambit. 60% of the market is looking for a primary street bike with some potential on dirt, that is why the SV 650 or Versys 650 work.
this is a really good video, must admit, I'm a bit more decided now..
Glad to hear, which direction are you leaning?
I lucked out I think. Buying a 2023 Ninja 400 KRT with 971 miles on it. The dealership was sold out on this particular model. The previous owner bought it new and decided he wanted to upgrade to the 650 and promptly traded it in. So the dealership called and offered it to me for 6500. I jumped on it. Brand new I was looking at 7700-9000. And the previous owner put a Leo Vince exhaust on it. I am completely satisfied with the transaction. Can't wait to get my license and start riding it
Great deal! Get your license as soon as you can so you can go riding 😊
Used one! Without slightest doubt. New one is not worth it. This engine is legitimate top notch product from Kawasaki.
Oddly enough, in my area used and new are going for damn near the same price.
Just bought a 2024 500. New with a lifetime warranty
I'm from California. When I went looking for a "firever" bike, the 400 new cost more out the door then an Intercepter 650.
The birds just wanted to put in their say. You know they always get the last word in.
I think I was lucky and found a used 2023 400 at dealer with 750 miles on it. Grabbed it but damn warranty and taxes hurt.
Omg if it wasn’t for our mountains this would be the most perfect machine
Kind of surprised you have not done a should you get a ninja 400 or ninja 650 yet
Is this good bike for everyday to work and uni for beginner?
i contacted kawasaki. i demanded that they compensate you for persuading my in buying a a new 2023 ninja 400 a few days ago. i mean i didn't need another bike... that's how good you are.
Im 15 and looking to get a bike when i turn 16 (which is relatively soon) i dont really trust buying a used or modded bike because all the potential hidden faults and lack of a warranty but I have the same problem with finding affordable ninja 400’s at dealerships near me
My Vulcan 900 has been in storage for 4 years. It starts but doesn't run. Been thinking about trading it in for a used 400. Hoping they'll at least give me the cost of TT&L, and pay cash if I can find one sub $5K
just to add some context, the msrp is just that, a suggested price, i got a brand new 400 4 months ago in sydney for $8000 all in... Also you put the fact you have the run in period to deal with as a con for new, but also mentioned a lot of people dont listen to this, so i was glad to buy new so i could make sure i followed this and i know my bike stands the best change of giving me no issues for years to come.
Glad to hear you got a great deal! Yea I acknowledge that some people will enjoy that process in the latter part of the video when i mention someone who plans to keep the bike for a long time!
which dealership? im looking to buy one soon!
I’m confused about LAMS and NON LAMS
I’ve never ridden before,
But I am kinda not happy that I’d have to sell out the LAMS after 3 months?
So is it ok to unrestrict it after wards?
Your chances of missing something on a used purchase are higher. Used or new depends on the market where you are located and your own knowledge of what you’re looking at…..now most folks need to learn to be more aggressive in their negotiations with the dealership….if you don’t like the deal move on and internet shop other dealers until you get a more reasonable purchase experience. All things considered New is New…..especially on these smaller and so called beginner bikes….tires, clutch, drops, incessant neutral revs for you tube views, etc…..you’ll know the right deal when you see it….be patient and keep the bigger picture in mind……good luck to all.
i hope when i'm ready to get one its not 8k. i've seen some people pay that in the U.S. i've been buying gear a little at a time so i have it before i get the bike.
I want a bike to learn on but also want an everyday and dont wanna get 1 used and have to do alot of work on it
I bought a 2020 in 2020 and the break in period ended right after I left the dealer lot! Medford Kawasaki. 2024 now and only 2000 miles, back in Medford trading her in for the 650….
hey i am getting one for almost half its price but it has been ridden 21000km. Should I buy it? I am concerned about such a long driven distance.
Facts, used is the way. I picked up a brand new ninja 650 for $6500 and bro even gave me the mounts for it. Dealers over here were tryna sell me the bike for $9k and higher.
I wanted a brand new 450SS MRSP was $5500 OTD was $7100 I was ready to put down 25% to get the best rate and on my way to the dealership I had this thought to check Facebook 1 more time and literally a 2013 ninja 650 with 8k miles on the ODO was just posted by a local shop for $3900
I called made sure it was still available and had a clean title then went to go check it out it was exactly like the ad said. When I walked in they were very upfront let me know the fuel pump started making a weird noise that morning and they ordered a new one and was gonna replace it for free for me and put on a new set of tires 😁 I couldn’t pass it up I go back to pick her up this weekend 🥰 The way I see it I have a paid off bike insurance is only $388 for the yr so basically no monthly bills just gas and during winter when it’s stored it’s still not costing me anything so win win 😎
I’m on my way to pick up this exact bike used 1,300 miles and only 5k even
I saw a ninja 2021 .. meeter shows 22000 km is it good option to buy..
Just put the down payment on my 2020 400 KRT 1900 miles - 1 owner. Got it from a used motorcycle dealer in my area for $6100 delivered to my house. Bike has been looked over, oil changed and green lighted by motorcycle mechanics. I would have paid $7500+ for a new 23 400 KRT at local dealerships. They won’t even negotiate with you right now. Pretty much take it or leave it. I’ll save the $1400 and not care as much when I drop it.
They really don’t negotiate even if you offer to pay cash the price is pretty much set 😒 better to buy used and in a couple years when the bike you want comes on the market used get it then
I think if you can pick one up used for $3.5-4K it’s a good deal because after taxes and fees out the dealer it’ll be like $6500 and if it’s your first bike and you never ridden before you most likely going to drop it.
I plan on buying this new from dealer, wherever its cheaper and driving it 300 or less miles home.
The clutch in the 2018-2020 ninjas are a no go, if you go used from that year set aside at least $500 to build up the clutch.
Why?
That is the best looking KRT version they ever made
Agreed
I like the 2022 version.. not a huge fan of the 2023
I wish I could just go there and take one of the ninjas it's my dream bike
12 and i already know how sports bike works and i even onow how to drive one but IM MONEYLEDD
Just bought a new 23 Ninja 400 out the door $7500 (free helmet $200) so i could say $7300. Saw all local 22 & 23 asking for 6000+ and then still have to pay tax might as well go for new
2nd hand are almost the same prices as a new one now.
I don’t think it’s a tricky question at all to buy a used beginner bike I see is a real gamble. You have people who probably have never driven a clutch before probably don’t understand maintenance real well probably did not break it in properly although that’s always up for debate how you break something in but I know how I get tens of thousands of miles out of my vehicle’s. I believe Ben Franklin said it best Pennywise pound short. If you’re just buying a beater bike Then roll the dice but it doesn’t take much to absolutely destroy the value of your investment if it had not been cared for. True there are some telltale signs but the truth of the matter is unless you tear that engine down you don’t know what’s been done to it.
Yea I'm gonna buy a used ninja 400 as my first bike
That’s what I did and it worked out perfect for me!
@@NinjaNick400 well change of plans lol I bought a ninja 600 lol
@@Pay-tatochip how do you like the 600??
Planning to by ninja 400 butbto be honest i never ride a manual motorcycle.. can u give me some advice. Thank you
Pretty much all motorcycles are manual so I'd definitely be looking to do a learner course or get some lessons. You'll love using the gears once you learn, one of the best parts of riding!
DAMN, That's really the problem I'm worrying about! Keep asking myself do I really need a good starter bike like a ninja 400. BTW, how is a ninja 300? we'll they do the similar thing?
You’ll love the 400, but you don’t necessarily need to start on it. A 300 would be fine too
R3 might be a better choice if you want a 300
Just got my 2023 with 3k miles on it for 4200 USD from my local dealer, they threw in free gear with it and a 1 year warranty
When you talk about aftermarket parts everyone reading aftermarket parts do not increase the value of a motorcycle. The other thing you have to ask who put the aftermarket parts on are they Chinese knock off are they counterfeit were they torqued correctly or they installed correctly. Do your due diligence because it does not take much to have $1000 repair bill
They CAN add value, but nowhere near the cost of the part (unless its free labor cost, like if they custom turbocharged it but only charged for the parts and not the hundred hours of labor it took).
Carbon fiber wheels for example will increase the value, but not $5k more (unless they were like $20k wheels). Some parts like exhaust may not increase value much, and that will be up to the owner if they want that exhaust (so keep all OEM parts for sale later if they want stock). Things like crash cages might not increase value since they know you were doing so many wheelies with it, but tasteful mods can make it a bit nicer and worth more (a little more, not a lot more).
Now here's my question. Im a new rider, never been on a motorbike of 2 wheels before.
If a used ninja 400 is going for new price, that mean get one new right?
That would be my answer but I wanna here yalls.
when i bought mines the used prices was close to new price so i went with new.
@@ShowTimeReturns Exactly. that's why I wanna go new but I hear the msrp go's up a few thousands when you buy from a dealership.
@@kidlo2050 MRSP is just a suggested price dealers usually add 1k+ on to that price with taxes, registration, shipping, and all kinds of extra fees. But when you buy used the listed price is usually the actual price unless you buy from a shop then it’s $200-400 extra for taxes and registration
I bought my z400 new and I regret it. I paid out the ass for it due to all the fees and whatnot. A friend of mine bought a 2019 z400 with a bunch of aftermarket upgrades for $4250. I spent $8400 on mine after taxes, fees, OEM frame sliders, etc. It is my second bike - last one was only 125cc. I want a middlweight ADV now and I can't sell my bike because I owe more on it than it's worth.
Yeah that’s a con no one really talks about when buying new bikes you’re instantly upside down in the deal because of all the fees, taxes, and added charges and basically stuck with the bike for a couple years 😕
Hello im a brand new beginner and was thinking of buying one. In my case i am planning on riding regularly on daily bases and use the bike for at least next 3-4 years. is the new bike better in this situation ?
Get yourself a used bike that is still like new. That’s what I did. I bought a 2020 ninja 400 last year and love it as my first bike!
@@NinjaNick400 thx for info
were you checking used bike
Nice...:)..!!!
I’m super lucky and got a 2020 ninja ex400g with 16000 km’s for $3000
What if this is your 1st bike that's going to be your 1 and done.. and your 48 years old
r3 or ninja400?
Ninja 400
I picked up a practically new mt07 for $8000
I’m a new rider, should I get a 400 or go to a 650.
Stick with the 400, perfect beginner bike 😊
Can’t go wrong with either I went with a 650 I prefer that riding style over the 400 way more comfortable for commuting and daily riding 😊
8:53 *Flashbacks to all the times hes dropped his bike*
Great video, I put it in a blog post I did a few days ago. I'll send you an email about it.
Scratch that, couldn't find your email anywhere. Sent you a msg request on insta instead!
Looks pretty cheap in aus,
In israel it cost 10500$ not including anything just the bike😢
Are you kidding me there is nothing like a new bike
Main cons of a used motorcycle is , they scam on speedometer, they disconnnect the wheel Speedo sensor which also abs cable, they ride and thrash and have lot of fun on track and when selling , they bike is well cleaned and detailed and sold 😂.
The buyer will be chicken 🐓 at the end of the day . Even sometimes oil drain plug is overtighten and damaged already , they would just manage to fix a temporarily, when u service first time , then get the shock . But not everyone does that, luck matters.
wel i CANT buy it new sadly atleast in my country
the break in comment is almost reason to buy it new. There is zero shot the original owner stuck to those recommendations.
For me the Ninja 400 new is like 10679.07 dollars
Spearmint
I wouldnt recommend this bike if you are from Australia . Parts are extremely expensive for KRT edition .
Its really good and reliable bike to buy! If you have money 😄
personally I dislike the KRT edition lol
Buy used one only if you know the seller and you accept the condition otherwise not worth it
GET A YEAR OLD BIKE!!!. DEALER FEES ARE BULLSHIT THEY WILL ADD ANOTHER 1000-2500K TO THE MSRP. BETTER TO PUT ANY DOWNPAYMENT ON A YEAR OLD BIKE WITH FEW MILES WITH ALL WARRENTIES STIILL IN PLACE
Buy new all these clowns out here are selling 10 year old ninjas with 20,000+ miles for $3000 you can get 2023 with abs for $5,899
That’s MRSP the actual price would be closer to $7000-8000 after all the dealer fees so $3000 or $7000 also with that $7000 price tag you’ll be upside down on that compared to the $3000 used cash price that’ll be paid off also you can find bikes under 10k miles I got a 650 with only 8k miles for $3900 from a used bike shop 😊
Don't buy new I paid 4k over what the bike was worth
Same lol just bought one today
I get tired looking at your waving hands all the time.
BTW.. thanks for deleting my comments on regards to what the conditions are RIGHT NOW. It just shows how this video is a waste of time.
I haven’t seen or touched another comment from you? If there was something rude in it TH-cam may have hidden/deleted it automatically. Happens often
We can all see you edited your own comment. You’re the waste of time