You’ve inspired me to buy this for my birthday. I’ve seen this video a good few times. Your passion and love for Zappa is so clearly evident in how you describe everything. In fact, your early Zappa CD discography videos from years before are what mainly inspired me to check out Zappa’s work. Thank you for your awesome videos. I love these long discussions.
Amazing video! Only half way through and I've learned a ton already. I've only listened to this release digitally and love every show included in it. I love this line up and this release exceeded my expectations tenfold. Also I didn't know about the LP only tracks and mixed, hopefully I'll be able to track it down eventually.
Just seen your review-video. It's five star - as usual. Appreciated the inserts and the generous length. The cd-box looks perfect. The audio content...I'm at "Philly '76" going chronologically, round two, so I have no illusions about what to expect. I'd say FZ is the James Joyce of music: all style and no content.
The Mothers Fillmore East 1971 is some of the best sing a long music ever, bar none. I smile just thinking about it. "I got a big hit on the charts, with a bullet! With a bullet?...
The only detail you neglected to mention is that one of Fillmore East versions of Shove It Right In previously appeared on You Can’t Do That On Stage Anymore Volume 6. Hopefully one day the complete Pauley Pavilion concert will be officially issued.
Thank you so much for thoroughly explaining the 3Lp vinyl set. I hate the 'smut' material as much as the next guy, but LOVE the long jams with Dunbar's drums. Super happy to get Junier Mintz on vinyl as well!
Great review of the entire massive release! I've only done one video on the Rainbow show, I'm still listening to the Fillmore material, first on the CD set - it is so much material! I'm ecstatic over the King Kongs, plus I love hearing the evolution of Billy the Mountain. I'm actually looking forward to hearing the Ono material as well after hearing both you and Shaggy describe it. When I finally get around to my own review, I will post links to both of your videos. Oh, and I loved the background on the singles! I got excited about the State Farm Theater show being on this set because I thought I had that bootleg, which totally sucked. But the bootleg I have is from 1974. Drat. I had my hopes up. With these "50th Anniversary" releases, do you think we'll get a remastered and extended version of Waka Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo? Perhaps with additional material from the Petit Wazoo tours, such as was released on Imaginary Diseases? That would be awesome!
Thanks much, I appreciate your comments! Looking forward to seeing your review as well. I am hoping for future goodies relating to the Grand Wazoo/Waka Jawaka period, but only the future will tell.
What I really like about FZ are the super cool album covers. Been fascinated by them since first hearing FZ in 1983. The Cal Schenkel-FZ collaboration generated art-work so fantastic it made me want to hear the music. All posthumous FZ-releases seem to be in black, white and red.
I agree with the comparison between the Roxy and Fillmore boxes. We get to hear a glimpse of the creative mind at work. I believe that the Fillmore building in NYC is now a bank. I have the 1971 box and the two related three LP sets. I'm just waiting for the right set of days off to dive into them. Stay safe and healthy everyone and listen to some (Zappa) music.
Loved seeing your review here, Bill. I'm still not a fan of this period, but I appreciate the band and their playing and certainly the historical value.
I recently watched the TH-cam video of the Rainbow concert from Zappa Vednik. The first time I've heard the concert properly. The sound quality is a bit dodgy in places and it stops 1 hr and 15 minutes in right in the middle of the guitar solo on King Kong. But it was good enough and you can check it out if anyone is interested.
A few statistics you could have used, talking about the box set: These Fillmore shows are not just unedited (so far as we can tell) but also overdub-free - quite unlike the original album! Fillmore East Show One has the least amount of previously released material - only Billy The Mountain, because bits of all four Fillmore versions of Billy...were used in the composite-edit Playground Psychotics version Fillmore East Show Three has a lot of bits previously released - it's not only the source of the Shove It... on Stage Volume 6, it also has the same version of the Status/Moon/M&D medley which was used on Playground Psychotics. The 1971 album compiled the basic tracks for its Groupie Opera from both the performances in the box, but was somewhat biased towards the 5/6/71 version. Half the actual musical material on Disc One of Playground Psychotics is sourced from the Rainbow Theatre gig. It's always worth mentioning that another result of the attack on Frank in London is that he was managing constant back pain for the rest of his life. (Actually that's partly his fault for being too eager to get back to work and so not letting the doctors reset the bones in his broken leg). COMMENT 2: If there's a minor problem with the box it's the fact that they missed the fact that they were almost - but not quite (!) - making Playground Psychotics redundant. A ninth disc compiling together PP's audio documentary sections (and Don't Eat There and Diptheria Blues) would have been helpful. For now, we have to do it ourselves...like this: th-cam.com/play/PL788ku0w42h3PW3HSYmTlgO1AX9A2Snqg.html
Thanks for the additional info! We hardcore fans love digging deep down into the rabbit hole on this stuff. That's quite an enthusiastic playlist, too.
My favorite period of Frank Zappa’s career is the early Mothers of Invention. My second favorite period is the Flo and Eddie Mothers. Because it sounds the closest to the early Mothers, but more rock. I think vocally Flo and Eddie, resemble the early mothers more than any Zappa band, Though the band on “Bongo Fury” gets pretty close.
Bill, What can I say about this elixir? First off... When did you go STEREO? ...Excellent ! This is one of your best in the Zappa series of videos. Your assessment of this enormous box set is outstanding. I know that anyone just getting into Zappa, as well as many long time listeners, must be dizzy with all of the pieces to the puzzle that makeup The Mothers 1971, but since Frank was the tape edit king (as mentioned by Joe Travers in the latest Zappacast) as well as king of tossing his recordings into the wind of many releases this boxset release needed to be explained in order to appreciate the density and breath of it. At this point I want to say that you explain Frank's music in such a user-friendly manner that I'm really surprised that Ahmet & Joe Travers haven't contacted you to be the "Zappa Storytellers". Frank's catalogue is not the easiest for most to wrap one's head around, especially with so many different variations to bands, writing & performing styles, genres of music ...etc., but your approach to explain his story really opens the door in an inviting manner to those who have even a passing interest in Frank's musical legacy. I also want to tell you that your growing appreciation of Yoko Ono is noteworthy. I know that Yoko isn't the easiest person to listen to but she truly needs to be separated from The Beatles history, as nothing more than John's "main squeeze", and looked upon as one of the innovators of performance art. That's what grabbed John's attention in the first place and wound up expanding his vision as artist. Many would deny there own musical education but how many of us got our first taste of a "sound collage" from John & Yoko's Revolution #9 just as many of us got our first taste of music concrete from Frank? So applauded your comments on Yoko. As far as the fact that many seem to disregard Mark Volman & Howard Kaylan involvement in the history of The Mothers is a shame. Not only did Flo & Eddie provide some of the most pyrotechnical vocals of any of the lead vocalist of any version of The Mothers but their prowess of being able to "riff" comic storylines which "in this reporter's opinion" really should have resulted in co-writing credits with Frank is unbeatable in the canon of Frank's interest in injecting humor into his musical dialogue. I hope that many will reconsider Mark & Howie's importance in Frank's growth in his color palette. Anyway .... Thanks Bill for another outstanding videos !!!
P.S.: Bill, you're right this really is a mofo of a box set ... I hope Ahmet realizes that the weight is in Frank's music and not in game boards and costumes !
Thank you so much just a quick question the Beat the Boots available on the Zappa store as download will ever get publish on CD format again as the did a long time ago ....and miss them not enough funds at the time !!! thank you .
Good stuff and this release really makes me want more of the Flo & Eddie period. An interesting transitional band, if you will, in FZ’s career. You can really hear the fun and great musicianship on these new releases. Keep up the great work.
I could sync one of the Billy the Mountain performances to this video and it would be about as long, I kinda wanna see an RSD exclusive release of one of the Billy the Mountain performances, maybe June 6th show 1; you never know.
I've listen FZ +- 7 years ago, but I'll try again. In that time I didn't get why he has one of the strongest names in music. Lets see if I have the music maturity for ir now. - Greetings from Brazil!
Hmm. what about the Hi-Res download from, e.g. QOBUZ? As to the January date, I think a couple of tracks were made available to stream and possibly download in that month. (Replete with pdf of the booklet.)
Thank you soooooo much for a fabulous analysis of the release. I've been a Zappa freak forever.....(You can see me waving a stuffed poodle from the front row of the Palladium in Baby Snakes....I was understandably scared of John Smothers.....(Yes.....I'm from New York City)....I bought the box set last week...Don't like putting money in Ahmet's pocket because he's a scoundrel but I had to buy it. My Mazda has a CD player so I figure I'm set for some good listening for at least year....lol. By the way, if you EVER get the chance to see the Eddie Palermo Big Band play, do it. He honors Frank like no one else.
another valuable release. I like this period. a plus over 70. the concerts are really cool. any mothers 71 fan should. I chose LP probably out of nostalgia…
I want to buy Frank Zappa‘s 200 motels but what I’ve seen and I’ve read on the back there’s no disc DVD or Blu-ray of it on there all I see is the songs is that true no movie thanks
@@BillsBoxOfSound Just re-read the liner note again, yes, sounds like it's from both days (I think Joe made a typo, there were two days, four shows, not "four nights"). Just converted BTM to digital! now listening to the Rainbow. The Peach on Rainbow was used as the official studio release of Hot Rats I assume?
Wondering if you have the Some Time in New York City LP or Original CD set? Didn't like the way the encore mixed in that one, or the way the cuts were miscued on the CD!
Thank you for your videos on the zappa cds and there different versions I bought half of franks discography and there the rykodisc mixes which i dislike I had to make a list from your videos of what cds to rebuy and which have the same mixes as the 2012 reissues Ugh! Haha Frank changing the original mixes of his albums was so unnecessary and annoying The only two i give him a pass on is money/lumpy because the masters were missing at the time
The download from iTunes better bang for your buck.Harrisburg and Scranton audio is terrible imo and should have stayed in the vault.I feel this release and 200 motels box cd sets have been way over-priced compared to say Roxy box set-way better value for money.
Already another box set announced for June this year
Great video. As a big Frank fan, it’s been great to watch your Zappa videos.
You’ve inspired me to buy this for my birthday. I’ve seen this video a good few times. Your passion and love for Zappa is so clearly evident in how you describe everything. In fact, your early Zappa CD discography videos from years before are what mainly inspired me to check out Zappa’s work. Thank you for your awesome videos. I love these long discussions.
I believe the accident altered his voice a bit too. Glad we got to have Zappa for another 22 years.
Have the box and the 2-3 lp releases. Beautiful physical presentation covering this historical musical event. AWESOME review!!
Yes! I've been looking forward to this, and had almost lost hope.
Hey Bill. Checking out your review.
Yes! More Zappa!
Amazing video! Only half way through and I've learned a ton already. I've only listened to this release digitally and love every show included in it. I love this line up and this release exceeded my expectations tenfold. Also I didn't know about the LP only tracks and mixed, hopefully I'll be able to track it down eventually.
Just seen your review-video. It's five star - as usual. Appreciated the inserts and the generous length.
The cd-box looks perfect. The audio content...I'm at "Philly '76" going chronologically, round two, so I have no illusions about what to expect.
I'd say FZ is the James Joyce of music: all style and no content.
I see similarities between Zappa and Pynchon. Pynchon even quoted Zappa in his introduction to “Slow Learner.” I wonder if Zappa read Joyce.
Love your videos. Your knowledge is immense.
Thanks so much.
The Mothers Fillmore East 1971 is some of the best sing a long music ever, bar none. I smile just thinking about it. "I got a big hit on the charts, with a bullet! With a bullet?...
The only detail you neglected to mention is that one of Fillmore East versions of Shove It Right In previously appeared on You Can’t Do That On Stage Anymore Volume 6. Hopefully one day the complete Pauley Pavilion concert will be officially issued.
Little Emile. Little Emile ? Little Emile !!! 🚬😎 And my favorite Eddie The Mountains ? The one on Playground Psychotics & Carnegie Hall.....
Thank you so much for thoroughly explaining the 3Lp vinyl set. I hate the 'smut' material as much as the next guy, but LOVE the long jams with Dunbar's drums. Super happy to get Junier Mintz on vinyl as well!
Great review of the entire massive release! I've only done one video on the Rainbow show, I'm still listening to the Fillmore material, first on the CD set - it is so much material! I'm ecstatic over the King Kongs, plus I love hearing the evolution of Billy the Mountain. I'm actually looking forward to hearing the Ono material as well after hearing both you and Shaggy describe it. When I finally get around to my own review, I will post links to both of your videos. Oh, and I loved the background on the singles! I got excited about the State Farm Theater show being on this set because I thought I had that bootleg, which totally sucked. But the bootleg I have is from 1974. Drat. I had my hopes up.
With these "50th Anniversary" releases, do you think we'll get a remastered and extended version of Waka Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo? Perhaps with additional material from the Petit Wazoo tours, such as was released on Imaginary Diseases? That would be awesome!
Thanks much, I appreciate your comments! Looking forward to seeing your review as well. I am hoping for future goodies relating to the Grand Wazoo/Waka Jawaka period, but only the future will tell.
Ha ha, we got it! They just released a box set with these two albums I believe
I'm still amazed the Whisky set was released.
What I really like about FZ are the super cool album covers. Been fascinated by them since first hearing FZ in 1983.
The Cal Schenkel-FZ collaboration generated art-work so fantastic it made me want to hear the music.
All posthumous FZ-releases seem to be in black, white and red.
I agree with the comparison between the Roxy and Fillmore boxes. We get to hear a glimpse of the creative mind at work. I believe that the Fillmore building in NYC is now a bank. I have the 1971 box and the two related three LP sets. I'm just waiting for the right set of days off to dive into them.
Stay safe and healthy everyone and listen to some (Zappa) music.
Looking forward to your review of Zappa / Erie 1974-76, 6CD Box Set.
Not as much as I am looking forward to listening to it! Heard the teaser tracks on TH-cam last night. Good stuff!
Loved seeing your review here, Bill. I'm still not a fan of this period, but I appreciate the band and their playing and certainly the historical value.
I can’t wait to hear this🎶🎶
I recently watched the TH-cam video of the Rainbow concert from Zappa Vednik. The first time I've heard the concert properly. The sound quality is a bit dodgy in places and it stops 1 hr and 15 minutes in right in the middle of the guitar solo on King Kong. But it was good enough and you can check it out if anyone is interested.
That Mothers at the Fillmore is sweet. Now that was never released before Bill? Once again. You Zappa intel is always appreciated~
Rob/Boston
A few statistics you could have used, talking about the box set:
These Fillmore shows are not just unedited (so far as we can tell) but also overdub-free - quite unlike the original album!
Fillmore East Show One has the least amount of previously released material - only Billy The Mountain, because bits of all four Fillmore versions of Billy...were used in the composite-edit Playground Psychotics version
Fillmore East Show Three has a lot of bits previously released - it's not only the source of the Shove It... on Stage Volume 6, it also has the same version of the Status/Moon/M&D medley which was used on Playground Psychotics.
The 1971 album compiled the basic tracks for its Groupie Opera from both the performances in the box, but was somewhat biased towards the 5/6/71 version.
Half the actual musical material on Disc One of Playground Psychotics is sourced from the Rainbow Theatre gig.
It's always worth mentioning that another result of the attack on Frank in London is that he was managing constant back pain for the rest of his life. (Actually that's partly his fault for being too eager to get back to work and so not letting the doctors reset the bones in his broken leg).
COMMENT 2: If there's a minor problem with the box it's the fact that they missed the fact that they were almost - but not quite (!) - making Playground Psychotics redundant. A ninth disc compiling together PP's audio documentary sections (and Don't Eat There and Diptheria Blues) would have been helpful. For now, we have to do it ourselves...like this: th-cam.com/play/PL788ku0w42h3PW3HSYmTlgO1AX9A2Snqg.html
Thanks for the additional info! We hardcore fans love digging deep down into the rabbit hole on this stuff. That's quite an enthusiastic playlist, too.
Awww man, I think I’m frothing at the mouth. I think I need this now
My favorite period of Frank Zappa’s career is the early Mothers of Invention.
My second favorite period is the Flo and Eddie Mothers.
Because it sounds the closest to the early Mothers, but more rock.
I think vocally Flo and Eddie, resemble the early mothers more than any Zappa band,
Though the band on “Bongo Fury” gets pretty close.
Hello from France !
( sorry about that . Nobody's Perfect ! )
Thanks a lot for this great review
Have a nice day
Bill,
What can I say about this elixir?
First off... When did you go STEREO? ...Excellent !
This is one of your best in the Zappa series of videos. Your assessment of this enormous box set is outstanding. I know that anyone just getting into Zappa, as well as many long time listeners, must be dizzy with all of the pieces to the puzzle that makeup The Mothers 1971, but since Frank was the tape edit king (as mentioned by Joe Travers in the latest Zappacast) as well as king of tossing his recordings into the wind of many releases this boxset release needed to be explained in order to appreciate the density and breath of it.
At this point I want to say that you explain Frank's music in such a user-friendly manner that I'm really surprised that Ahmet & Joe Travers haven't contacted you to be the "Zappa Storytellers". Frank's catalogue is not the easiest for most to wrap one's head around, especially with so many different variations to bands, writing & performing styles, genres of music ...etc., but your approach to explain his story really opens the door in an inviting manner to those who have even a passing interest in Frank's musical legacy.
I also want to tell you that your growing appreciation of Yoko Ono is noteworthy. I know that Yoko isn't the easiest person to listen to but she truly needs to be separated from The Beatles history, as nothing more than John's "main squeeze", and looked upon as one of the innovators of performance art. That's what grabbed John's attention in the first place and wound up expanding his vision as artist. Many would deny there own musical education but how many of us got our first taste of a "sound collage" from John & Yoko's Revolution #9 just as many of us got our first taste of music concrete from Frank? So applauded your comments on Yoko.
As far as the fact that many seem to disregard Mark Volman & Howard Kaylan involvement in the history of The Mothers is a shame. Not only did Flo & Eddie provide some of the most pyrotechnical vocals of any of the lead vocalist of any version of The Mothers but their prowess of being able to "riff" comic storylines which "in this reporter's opinion" really should have resulted in co-writing credits with Frank is unbeatable in the canon of Frank's interest in injecting humor into his musical dialogue. I hope that many will reconsider Mark & Howie's importance in Frank's growth in his color palette.
Anyway .... Thanks Bill for another outstanding videos !!!
My videos have been in stereo almost forever.
@@BillsBoxOfSound, Funny I never noticed before. I guess that you rarely move to far from center when you do your viddies.
P.S.: Bill, you're right this really is a mofo of a box set ... I hope Ahmet realizes that the weight is in Frank's music and not in game boards and costumes !
thanks bill, thanks frank !
Thank you so much just a quick question the Beat the Boots available on the Zappa store as download will ever get publish on CD format again as the did a long time ago ....and miss them not enough funds at the time !!! thank you .
Those questions can only be answered by the Zappa Trust.
@@BillsBoxOfSound Than k you very much appreciate it . Cheers
Did yours come with inside sleeve jackets as advertised ✌ 🇬🇧
We get a " PROLONGED Eternity with Yoko Ono !! My Box set is on the way. Great Work as always Mr Bill...
Good stuff and this release really makes me want more of the Flo & Eddie period. An interesting transitional band, if you will, in FZ’s career. You can really hear the fun and great musicianship on these new releases. Keep up the great work.
I could sync one of the Billy the Mountain performances to this video and it would be about as long, I kinda wanna see an RSD exclusive release of one of the Billy the Mountain performances, maybe June 6th show 1; you never know.
I've listen FZ +- 7 years ago, but I'll try again. In that time I didn't get why he has one of the strongest names in music. Lets see if I have the music maturity for ir now. - Greetings from Brazil!
Hmm. what about the Hi-Res download from, e.g. QOBUZ? As to the January date, I think a couple of tracks were made available to stream and possibly download in that month. (Replete with pdf of the booklet.)
Looking on the Qobuz site, only the original Fillmore album is available at this time.
Thank you soooooo much for a fabulous analysis of the release. I've been a Zappa freak forever.....(You can see me waving a stuffed poodle from the front row of the Palladium in Baby Snakes....I was understandably scared of John Smothers.....(Yes.....I'm from New York City)....I bought the box set last week...Don't like putting money in Ahmet's pocket because he's a scoundrel but I had to buy it. My Mazda has a CD player so I figure I'm set for some good listening for at least year....lol. By the way, if you EVER get the chance to see the Eddie Palermo Big Band play, do it. He honors Frank like no one else.
another valuable release. I like this period. a plus over 70. the concerts are really cool. any mothers 71 fan should. I chose LP probably out of nostalgia…
Is the sound from the concerts perfect?
My mother asks. 😄
She love, Zappa.
I want to buy Frank Zappa‘s 200 motels but what I’ve seen and I’ve read on the back there’s no disc DVD or Blu-ray of it on there all I see is the songs is that true no movie thanks
Which day was the BTM performed that’s on the vinyl release here? June 5 show 2?
I'm pretty sure that recording on the vinyl is a hybrid of several performances, along with studio overdubs.
@@BillsBoxOfSound Just re-read the liner note again, yes, sounds like it's from both days (I think Joe made a typo, there were two days, four shows, not "four nights"). Just converted BTM to digital! now listening to the Rainbow. The Peach on Rainbow was used as the official studio release of Hot Rats I assume?
@@ejshelby5460 No.
Wondering if you have the Some Time in New York City LP or Original CD set? Didn't like the way the encore mixed in that one, or the way the cuts were miscued on the CD!
I showed the Sometime In New York City album in the video, as well as the sleeve for the record.
I’ll watch anyone who bought live at the Fillmore East!
it's getting to be you can't see the wood for the trees with all this new unreleased stuff showing up tho !
Ft. Wayne record show???
Thank you for your videos on the zappa cds and there different versions
I bought half of franks discography and there the rykodisc mixes which i dislike
I had to make a list from your videos of what cds to rebuy and which have the same mixes as the 2012 reissues
Ugh! Haha
Frank changing the original mixes of his albums was so unnecessary and annoying
The only two i give him a pass on is money/lumpy because the masters were missing at the time
Yoko's vocals will never sound good to me. I would like to hear the four full concerts.
@Vinyl Richie - You can hear the 4 complete shows and the entire 8 CD set on Spotify.
The download from iTunes better bang for your buck.Harrisburg and Scranton audio is terrible imo and should have stayed in the vault.I feel this release and 200 motels box cd sets have been way over-priced compared to say Roxy box set-way better value for money.
The UK crowd was all cool with it until the end. Flo and Eddie went too far, butchering a Beatles classic. Frank was lucky to survive that.