Hey, Scotty here. A guy asked me the other day, what do the VW dealer mechanics use as their main scan computer for fixing modern VWs, and I couldn't answer him. I'm sure you know, SO, what is it called, and how much does it cost? I got so much contradictory info on the net with various older systems, and now I wonder what the new one is called and how much it costs. Thanks.
+Scotty Kilmer so the factory scanner is called ODIS. it runs about $4500 plus $750 for VW and $750 for Audi per year. He best non OEM scanner is from Ross tech called Vag-com. It's a few hundred bucks and worth every cent.
thanks a ton. Yea, I've got a Vag-com, had it for years, but I hate working on modern VWs So Much, I rarely power up the lap top and hook it up. I am not a masochist. Hope everything's going well, this week I'm road testing the new fusion that can go 20 miles on electricity alone, should have some fun making a video on that. The big question is "will it burn rubber" if I do a few mods to the trac system?"
+Scotty Kilmer So when are all the mechanics on YT going to do a big get together and stream it live on YT?!?!?!?! I'd love to see all you guys together shooting the breeze about well everything. I worked in dealership shops for years and I gotta say techs can be some of the most hilarious and interesting people one can ever encounter!!!!
This is why when I purchase a new car I look up 'customer programming' steps. Some car manufacturers have it built in that you can program a 3rd key using 2 keys already programmed to the vehicle. That allows you just to follow a procedure at home with no special equipment and then just put your spare key away somewhere safe... when you lose a key you then just order another one and customer program the 3rd again. Works well with anything that takes a FOBIK.
Doesn't change the fact that replacing VW keys shouldn't be so expensive and a pain in the ass. My wife's 2009 Mazda 3 is so much easier to deal with. Blanks are easier to get cut, and I can program them myself without needing to pay a dealership $250.
With older VAGs there's always the option of getting a proper blade cut with a locksmith, buying a used key shell in good condition (to make sure you get the transponder and it works) or aftermarket from a reputable source, a clean/unprogrammed chip, extracting the SKC/pin from cluster / ecu and programming it with VCDS. But it takes speciality tools and quite a fair bit of know-how. And if you have /no/ working keys, it requires hacking into the driver door loom, too. People shouldn't be surprised if they are charged whether it works or no when having an aftermarket key programmed at the dealership (or any other shop that didn't sell the key). Even a garage that will allow you bring your own parts for a repair, naturally won't give you a warranty on that job (unless failure is evidently clearly a case of cross neglect by the mechanic etc).
My GTO key is supposedly programmable on the car; I have also been told that it is a key that only the dealer can program. I have a pair of spares a dealer cut for me (only one GM dealer in Tampa had the specialty cutter for my kind of key) but I haven't tried programming them yet. I'll make a video when I do.
I am a locksmith, and paid, negotiated for cut and programmed to the car(remote), and car to the keys(immobilizer) $350 for 2 switch/remote keys, one valet and one mechanical only, all aftermarket. It sucks, but not my market so I do not have the proper tools to program the car. I could have disabled the immobilizer and done it, but that is bad form as well as a liability.
I got my 07 beetle convertible at an auction and it only came with one key. I bought a fob on ebay and was able to program the remote part of it myself through some youtube vid help. The key part on the other hand was a lot of no's from a lot of locksmiths. And like you mentioned all VWs in my area would either agree to cut it but not guarantee it would work or refuse period because they were unsure of the material. Great video by the way hate the reality of it but you're not the one who makes the prices!!
I have bought an uncut, unprogrammed key from ebay for 20-30 dollars. Went to my local locksmith to get it cut and then I knew someone who probed my immobiliser and found my key code and then programmed it with VCDS. New and working key for 40-50 dollars, versus paying the dealer 300-400 dollars for a original key.
If you have the skills to do that, I say go for it. This answer was more intended for the average person who would not be able to execute the complicated process you went through. Its awesome that you saved the $ though.
Got a key with transponder chip from ebay, had it cut at lowes,just told the guy Im gonna use it just to unlock trunk and got it cut for free. Programed it myself by putting key in and out and things like that, as long as you have the original key. Simple and cheap. This was a toyota 4runner, worked on a new nissan smartkey too. You can get it cut at any local locksmith for cheap.
charles with our Rialta Motorhomes on the Eurovan chassis newer years have the chips. the dealerships do not seem to want to work on them. so alot of owners have found a workaround. they remove the chip from the old key and glue it to either the new cut key or glue it to the inside of the column shroud
Can only the dealership access the immobilizer code in the ECU or do some locksmiths also carry the tool? Recently my brothers '07 Audi B7 was misfiring and either the ECU was bad or wiring and may need another, still trying to sort it out but the local mechanic is at a complete loss and as a student money isn't abundant. I've been reading around and some say to go to the dealer but they won't touch a used ECU (Charging just over $1000CAD for a new one), where as some locksmiths will. Any input? Thanks.
The cost of maintenance of a car remains relative to the original sticker price through most of it's life. That's why in some markets older cars like Audis are dumped in the used market after a point. The cost of repairs. Independent shops that have their shit together they have the capability to flash ECUs. However, for the same reason they were talking about NOT cutting customer supplied keys, you would have a hard time finding one to do it because they are dealing with unknowns and it's going to cost you one way or another. If something happens and it bricks, who's going to supply the other replacement? The risk simply outpaces the reward by a large margin.
As a former locksmith, support your locksmith first! I agree, don't buy anything off EBAY. Local high security locksmith shop or dealer is you best bet for keys.
I brought a key for Danielle (first from EBay then from an OEM parts store and the key fits in the ignition but wouldn’t turn and that goes for the key lock as well, can I reprogram that key or I have to go to the Volkswagen dealer?
What do i do with my old liquids like coolant, trans fluid ect., no one seems to take liquids anywhere? my local auto zone will take old oil but no more than 5 quarts at one time thanks.
A 1989 Volvo 740 and 1992 Volvo 940 and 1992 Volvo 240 were built with simplicity in mind...which is a big help for a diyer such as myself. I've R&R myself with basic tools the dizzy cap & rotor, spark plugs & wires, head gasket, intake & exhaust gaskets, battery, starter, alternator, radiator, water pump, heater core, blower motor, fuel pumps (main pump and in tank pump), fuel filter, oil filter, air filter, full transmission flush, sway bar links, outer tie rods, ball joints, strut arm bushings, front struts & mounts, front coil springs (a swap due to po cutting said springs), rear shocks, brake pads, brake rotor, brake caliper, timing belt, camshaft seal, crankshaft seal, intermediate shaft seal, crankshaft pulley, wiper assembly, alternator belt, power steering belt, tail light assembly, license plate light, fuel pump relay, power window switch...and probably some other stuff. All this work was spread out over 4 different cars. My current 3 redblocks cost me $3200 in total to purchase. My 4th redblock is a running parts car that cost $280 ( and it had new tires). What I might spend is gas is nothing compared to my savings in labor charges. I'm a simple man that appreciates a simple car. To each his own. LUV YA!
And my local grocery store has a fuel perks program that has earned me over $800 in FREE fuel over the past 12 months. I've got 20 gallons in 4 five gallon cans sitting in the trunk of my parts car right now.
Forgot...removed cleaned and reinstalled the entire pcv system, iac valve and throttle body. Pulled instrument cluster to replace bulb and swap speedo.
When buying a new Volkswagen do they come with more than one key? Or do you have to buy additional keys from the dealer? I've owned two used VW's so far and both only came with one key.
Ruvim R there should be two sets of keys used cars they sometimes give you two but in most cases only 1 as the other one usually go missing cause the owner misplace it
When I purchased my '12 Jetta TDI, I wouldn't sign until they provided 4 keys. They quickly folded & provide keys ($175.00 per key ....it came with 2)....I paid for programming ($125.00 for all).
Hi! i have a very complicated situation ; i brought a US MK7 Gti and imported to my country in central america, dealerships here suck i mean they dont even knew programming tools like OBD 11 etc. well situation is that the car came with JUST ONE key, and its very complicated to drive and be around knowing if that key is lost im screwed. whats my best option? by this time i know im going to be paying a lot for that spare key. thanks A LOT for your much appreciated info.
+Rodrigo Mendez oh man that's an odd one. Can the local dealer order one? I might call VW of America and see if they have advice. I legit have no idea.
I agree, there is no reason for the insane cost. I'm fine with a simple key with no chip whatsoever and don't understand why you can't check a box when buying a car to have simple keys. This is a good reason to buy used cars (especially VW's) and just have the immobilizer disabled. The cost to have that done is much less than just the key for these cars.
I paid $60 for a blank key off eBay with all electronics. Paid to get the key cut for $50, then the dealership $90 to program. WAY cheaper than a new key!!
Charging so much for a replacement key is just another way for dealerships to screw over their customers. We all know, dealerships are extremely dishonest. Finding a reputable one is very difficult. No offense to Charles, it's just the industry you working.
Oh I am not offended at all. I don't totally agree with you, but I am not offended. I do agree that finding a reputable dealer can be difficult ,but there are some awesome ones out there. I would like to propose this question. "Who's fault is it the keys are so expensive?" Is it the dealer? Is it the brand? The brand will sell the keys as a certain price. They also put the process in place to make it work. The dealer sells the key after a markup, and charges for the time to make it work with the car. I don't think its a clear answer, but something to think about.
HumbleMechanic I honestly do not know who's fault it is that the keys are so expensive, it's just annoying that they are. It's not limited to just one brand either, all the smart key is seem to have the same problem.
I 100% agree with you. It is a super PITA for owners and they are left to pay the bill. You are totally right, its a lot of brands. That is why I am taken back by all the negative comments here. I guess people think I am happy that this crap costs so much. I must have done a poor job explaining that on this video
Charles you explained it well. It just sucks that a car like my '06 Jetta costs $250 for a replacement key. Its not a very expensive car but that key sure is!
Sorry I bought the key and FOB on eBay and the money saved payed for the VAGCOM to program the keys. FACT. You just have to make sure the FOB has the same part number.
Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to the White Wookie project. Really looking forward of the rebuilding of the VR6. If people are thinking about going the Ebay or online route. 1. make sure you have some one in your area who can cut the key. 2. Pull apart the FOB to confirm the part #. Even though the keys look the same, different part numbers may not work on your vehicle. 3. You will need the code, that was included with the paperwork when you bought your car. I think mine was in the trunk of my GTI. I saved the code on my computer if I lose the piece of paper. Look up the Ross Tech procedure or google the key programing procedure for your vehicle. If you need to program one key, the dealer might be the cheaper route. For me I needed to program multiple keys and the money saved payed for the VAGCOM which I used on other projects.
HumbleMechanic yeah.. as with your videos I always watch his uploads...especially his q&a vids. Although those are pretty much "its a money pit...buy a Toyota". All my best to you both. Wrench On!
The average customer seems to want as much tech in their new car as possible...wanting to be able to walk up to the car and have the doors unlock automatically, or the ability to start the car without taking the "key" out of their pockets. Automakers are happy to oblige, as it means $300 for a key and why it'll cost thousands to fix these insanely complicated systems when they break. I'd love to see consumers rebel against all of the modern tech that's in reality totally unnecessary (is a $3 steel key and an ignition cylinder really that bad?) but I seriously doubt it'll ever happen.
so I had an mk4 valet key and wanted the actual key fob so went to fixmyvw.com bought one for pretty cheap and rebuilt the key with the immo chip from the valet key it's been working out fine
I'd like to know why I can't get a key for my car! Dealership doesn't have 'em, aftermarket doesn't have 'em. My key is worn out and I want a new one, darnit!
hi i like the caddy vr6 u did thats rad ! WITH THAT SAID IVE GOT SO MANY QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK U ABOUT THAT MOD THAT U WOULD BAN ME FORM UR SITE . THE IDEA IVE HAD WAS TO DO A VR6 MOD TO MY MK2 1986 1.8JETTA BUT THE PROBLEM IVE GOT WITH THAT IS THE REAR suspension ON THE MK 2 JETTAS R BAD MEANING THOSE coilovers just suports the rear end do not put 2 friends in the back and u r overloaded looks like ur driving up hill is their their a kit that can sort this cos ive spend more on coilovers and bull to get the same saggy rear end that it wold have cost for the vr6 my country salesmen and so called tecks dont care ive the problem is solved or not aslong as they made a bug
Have owned a lot of VWs but i'm considering selling mine and never buying one again. A $300 dollar key for a VOLKSWAGEN. And we all know why every dealer says they have to charge you $120 whether an aftermarket key programs or not. Garbage.
So the tech than spends an hour trying you aftermarket key shouldn’t get paid for their time? Before you sell your car over a key price , you may want to see what other OEMs charge for a key. Honda was the same price.
Don't worry I'm not buying a Honda either. It's not our fault that Volkwagen suddenly thinks it is Audi and we shouldn't be forced into a position to where we are trying to curtail exhorbitant prices for something like a key. I'm sure you have some rationalization for why keys have to be purchased directly through the dealer and precut as well.
and for the record, the dealership doesn't screw you. the car manufacturer does. and in that I mean, who puts a $10,000 4motion system in a $8,000 car? VW of course...all wheel drive=B.O.A.T. Break out another thousand.
These people scoffing at paying $250 for a key to their car is why I would be hesitant to buy a used car in the future that MY2017 or newer. People have no problem financing a car for 7 years so they can "afford" it when they really can't. So when it comes time to do PM work they scoff and say it's too expensive and just ignore it. Modern newer cars are packed full of technology and they cost more to service then cars manufactured even 5-10 years ago. New cars cost more to fix then older cars. It's all part of cost of ownership - which most people don't take into account when getting that 7 year loan that barely lets them make the payment. That's why I love my MY14 Golf. Just the right mix of modern tech but doesn't have all the "driver aids" that are $$$ when they need serviced or break. I prefer to drive my cars then be driven by them.
or...buy a car that doesn't run an operating system. Computers go on your desk. Not in your car! Spark, fuel, compression...everything else is bullshit!
+Edmund Mendez I'm confused as to everyone's objection to that statement. I'm not saying i love that it costs that. It sucks! I'd be pissed if I had to pay that for a replacement key. Just like I'd be pissed paying $400 for a bent wheel.
The programming and cutting tools run ~100K, you try an pay for the tools, go right ahead and fry it yourself. Try no key present situations and solder your own chip onto the ecu.
Failing to offer repairable and maintainable products is not YOUR fault, but I'm certainly not going to sit here and listen to you make a bunch of noise about why I should pay a ridiculous amount for a trivially simple service. FWIW, my last key was programmed at home with VCDS and it was cut across an ocean by a guy I sent a cellphone pic of the blade to. BTW, the net result of "key security" is more people being injured and killed in carjackings.
I no joke sent a cellphone snap to a gentleman on the other side of the Atlantic who cut me a new key blank...for pennies. I then took an aftermarket key from somewhere and Asia and using software from Ross Tech and weird Eastern European websites, presto new key. Absolutely horseshit that this is so difficult and complex. It serves no one but the automaker and to some lesser extent the insurer.
+Garrett McEwen man this key thing really got some people torqued up! Sorry because I hadn't finished a reply you think I "don't have the stones" as you put it. I think it's awesome you got your key programmed how you did. I'm not sure that everyone could do that. I try and give general advice when it comes to a general question. That being said, there another solution I forgot about when answering this. Ordering from someone like AARodriguez is another great option. There will be a quick video coming about that. He's been good to me and I feel bad about forgetting to mention it. Beyond that man, I'm not sure why you seem so pissed at me. I'd love if you would honestly explain that.
I wonder, Charles, if 250 bucks for A FUCKING KEY, would sound "kinda cheap" to you, if you didn't work for VW. I like you, don't piss away your integrity.
+YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit that statement comes of years of programming keys for about $300. Its in no way meant to belittle the cost. Just like everyone else that's ever payed for a key, I'd be pissed if I had to spend the money. But how I feel about doesn't change the price. It fucking sucks to pay for that crap. I'd love if it was $50. But it's not. Not trying to come off as an ass or arrogant.
If anyone quibbles the $250-$300 price, I suggest you check the price of a key through the local Mercedes or BMW dealer. I've heard they are much higher.
Mike Suranyi Yeah, cause getting screwed on a higher level makes getting just plain fucked "ok". Do you hear yourself? It's wrong on both levels. "you're getting a deal on a $250 key, versus a Benz $500 key?" They've got you suckered pretty good, kid.
HumbleMechanic Dude, I completely understand your point, but it's a key; a piece of plastic and metal. That transponder is most likely made in China, and costs about 2 cents. Thank you for your civil response, but getting raped in the prison cafeteria, despite the lovely surroundings, is tantamount to getting raped in the shower; they both suck.
Hey, Scotty here. A guy asked me the other day, what do the VW dealer mechanics use as their main scan computer for fixing modern VWs, and I couldn't answer him. I'm sure you know, SO, what is it called, and how much does it cost? I got so much contradictory info on the net with various older systems, and now I wonder what the new one is called and how much it costs. Thanks.
+Scotty Kilmer so the factory scanner is called ODIS. it runs about $4500 plus $750 for VW and $750 for Audi per year.
He best non OEM scanner is from Ross tech called Vag-com. It's a few hundred bucks and worth every cent.
thanks a ton. Yea, I've got a Vag-com, had it for years, but I hate working on modern VWs So Much, I rarely power up the lap top and hook it up. I am not a masochist. Hope everything's going well, this week I'm road testing the new fusion that can go 20 miles on electricity alone, should have some fun making a video on that. The big question is "will it burn rubber" if I do a few mods to the trac system?"
+Scotty Kilmer
So when are all the mechanics on YT going to do a big get together and stream it live on YT?!?!?!?! I'd love to see all you guys together shooting the breeze about well everything. I worked in dealership shops for years and I gotta say techs can be some of the most hilarious and interesting people one can ever encounter!!!!
That would be one heck of a live stream!
+South Main Auto Repair
Yes it would.
This is why when I purchase a new car I look up 'customer programming' steps. Some car manufacturers have it built in that you can program a 3rd key using 2 keys already programmed to the vehicle. That allows you just to follow a procedure at home with no special equipment and then just put your spare key away somewhere safe... when you lose a key you then just order another one and customer program the 3rd again. Works well with anything that takes a FOBIK.
Found On Road Dead you imply?
Doesn't change the fact that replacing VW keys shouldn't be so expensive and a pain in the ass. My wife's 2009 Mazda 3 is so much easier to deal with. Blanks are easier to get cut, and I can program them myself without needing to pay a dealership $250.
+Jason Birzer no argument there lol
I will gladly pay $300 to know that my car won't get stolen, probably ever.
Bad news for you, cause you get to pay $300 and know that any kid with phone with near field communication can steal your car!
What a sucker. I bet you paid $1000 for a fruit decal on your phone and wear Beats headphones. Who would want to steal a Volkswagen anyways lol.
With older VAGs there's always the option of getting a proper blade cut with a locksmith, buying a used key shell in good condition (to make sure you get the transponder and it works) or aftermarket from a reputable source, a clean/unprogrammed chip, extracting the SKC/pin from cluster / ecu and programming it with VCDS. But it takes speciality tools and quite a fair bit of know-how. And if you have /no/ working keys, it requires hacking into the driver door loom, too. People shouldn't be surprised if they are charged whether it works or no when having an aftermarket key programmed at the dealership (or any other shop that didn't sell the key). Even a garage that will allow you bring your own parts for a repair, naturally won't give you a warranty on that job (unless failure is evidently clearly a case of cross neglect by the mechanic etc).
My GTO key is supposedly programmable on the car; I have also been told that it is a key that only the dealer can program. I have a pair of spares a dealer cut for me (only one GM dealer in Tampa had the specialty cutter for my kind of key) but I haven't tried programming them yet. I'll make a video when I do.
I am a locksmith, and paid, negotiated for cut and programmed to the car(remote), and car to the keys(immobilizer) $350 for 2 switch/remote keys, one valet and one mechanical only, all aftermarket. It sucks, but not my market so I do not have the proper tools to program the car. I could have disabled the immobilizer and done it, but that is bad form as well as a liability.
I got my 07 beetle convertible at an auction and it only came with one key. I bought a fob on ebay and was able to program the remote part of it myself through some youtube vid help. The key part on the other hand was a lot of no's from a lot of locksmiths. And like you mentioned all VWs in my area would either agree to cut it but not guarantee it would work or refuse period because they were unsure of the material. Great video by the way hate the reality of it but you're not the one who makes the prices!!
I have bought an uncut, unprogrammed key from ebay for 20-30 dollars. Went to my local locksmith to get it cut and then I knew someone who probed my immobiliser and found my key code and then programmed it with VCDS. New and working key for 40-50 dollars, versus paying the dealer 300-400 dollars for a original key.
If you have the skills to do that, I say go for it. This answer was more intended for the average person who would not be able to execute the complicated process you went through.
Its awesome that you saved the $ though.
4 or 6 digit code, that would be the? Did you have one alreadyworking!, If you did not, did you get the four digit code for a ~key less start
Got a key with transponder chip from ebay, had it cut at lowes,just told the guy Im gonna use it just to unlock trunk and got it cut for free. Programed it myself by putting key in and out and things like that, as long as you have the original key. Simple and cheap. This was a toyota 4runner, worked on a new nissan smartkey too. You can get it cut at any local locksmith for cheap.
Also worked on my 2006 acura tsx. I made 3 keys and 3 key fob remotes for under $100
charles with our Rialta Motorhomes on the Eurovan chassis newer years have the chips. the dealerships do not seem to want to work on them. so alot of owners have found a workaround. they remove the chip from the old key and glue it to either the new cut key or glue it to the inside of the column shroud
+Brad Downs nice!! That's how most remote starts in the aftermarket are added
Can only the dealership access the immobilizer code in the ECU or do some locksmiths also carry the tool? Recently my brothers '07 Audi B7 was misfiring and either the ECU was bad or wiring and may need another, still trying to sort it out but the local mechanic is at a complete loss and as a student money isn't abundant. I've been reading around and some say to go to the dealer but they won't touch a used ECU (Charging just over $1000CAD for a new one), where as some locksmiths will. Any input? Thanks.
The cost of maintenance of a car remains relative to the original sticker price through most of it's life. That's why in some markets older cars like Audis are dumped in the used market after a point. The cost of repairs.
Independent shops that have their shit together they have the capability to flash ECUs. However, for the same reason they were talking about NOT cutting customer supplied keys, you would have a hard time finding one to do it because they are dealing with unknowns and it's going to cost you one way or another. If something happens and it bricks, who's going to supply the other replacement?
The risk simply outpaces the reward by a large margin.
nice shades Charles. I dont trust aftermarket keys for the newer cars I have had too many bad expirences eather with the cut or the programming
As a former locksmith, support your locksmith first! I agree, don't buy anything off EBAY. Local high security locksmith shop or dealer is you best bet for keys.
I brought a key for Danielle (first from EBay then from an OEM parts store and the key fits in the ignition but wouldn’t turn and that goes for the key lock as well, can I reprogram that key or I have to go to the Volkswagen dealer?
What do i do with my old liquids like coolant, trans fluid ect., no one seems to take liquids anywhere? my local auto zone will take old oil but no more than 5 quarts at one time thanks.
+Mac Wojo try making friends with a local Indy shop. Especially if they run heat from engine oil.
I get my keys from the hardware store for 3 bucks...just one more reason I drive 25 year old Volvos
You use extra on gas per year than if you drove a modern car. You could get 2 new smart keys per year with the fuel savings.
A 1989 Volvo 740 and 1992 Volvo 940 and 1992 Volvo 240 were built with simplicity in mind...which is a big help for a diyer such as myself. I've R&R myself with basic tools the dizzy cap & rotor, spark plugs & wires, head gasket, intake & exhaust gaskets, battery, starter, alternator, radiator, water pump, heater core, blower motor, fuel pumps (main pump and in tank pump), fuel filter, oil filter, air filter, full transmission flush, sway bar links, outer tie rods, ball joints, strut arm bushings, front struts & mounts, front coil springs (a swap due to po cutting said springs), rear shocks, brake pads, brake rotor, brake caliper, timing belt, camshaft seal, crankshaft seal, intermediate shaft seal, crankshaft pulley, wiper assembly, alternator belt, power steering belt, tail light assembly, license plate light, fuel pump relay, power window switch...and probably some other stuff. All this work was spread out over 4 different cars. My current 3 redblocks cost me $3200 in total to purchase. My 4th redblock is a running parts car that cost $280 ( and it had new tires). What I might spend is gas is nothing compared to my savings in labor charges. I'm a simple man that appreciates a simple car. To each his own. LUV YA!
And my auto insurance is cheap.
And my local grocery store has a fuel perks program that has earned me over $800 in FREE fuel over the past 12 months. I've got 20 gallons in 4 five gallon cans sitting in the trunk of my parts car right now.
Forgot...removed cleaned and reinstalled the entire pcv system, iac valve and throttle body. Pulled instrument cluster to replace bulb and swap speedo.
When buying a new Volkswagen do they come with more than one key? Or do you have to buy additional keys from the dealer? I've owned two used VW's so far and both only came with one key.
Ruvim R there should be two sets of keys used cars they sometimes give you two but in most cases only 1 as the other one usually go missing cause the owner misplace it
When I purchased my '12 Jetta TDI, I wouldn't sign until they provided 4 keys. They quickly folded & provide keys ($175.00 per key ....it came with 2)....I paid for programming ($125.00 for all).
Hi! i have a very complicated situation ; i brought a US MK7 Gti and imported to my country in central america, dealerships here suck i mean they dont even knew programming tools like OBD 11 etc.
well situation is that the car came with JUST ONE key, and its very complicated to drive and be around knowing if that key is lost im screwed.
whats my best option? by this time i know im going to be paying a lot for that spare key.
thanks A LOT for your much appreciated info.
+Rodrigo Mendez oh man that's an odd one.
Can the local dealer order one? I might call VW of America and see if they have advice. I legit have no idea.
What about cutting Mk1 or Mk2 blanks from a company like Mk1 Engineering?
+Charles Hollow I wouldn't hesitate to do that.
What Paul and I are talking about is cars with immobilizer systems.
I hate not having options but I appreciate the information.
+wyattoneable there are a few out there, some better than others.
I agree, there is no reason for the insane cost. I'm fine with a simple key with no chip whatsoever and don't understand why you can't check a box when buying a car to have simple keys.
This is a good reason to buy used cars (especially VW's) and just have the immobilizer disabled. The cost to have that done is much less than just the key for these cars.
+Bryan Hall I like the idea of the immob delete too.
where can I purchase a key from if I live outside the united states ?? if EBay fob keys r not reliable
+Kevin Joseph dealer should be able to do that anywhere if think
I paid $60 for a blank key off eBay with all electronics. Paid to get the key cut for $50, then the dealership $90 to program. WAY cheaper than a new key!!
$200, I would be not unless you .......
in sa we got people who does the keys for about a third of the price and give warranty
Charging so much for a replacement key is just another way for dealerships to screw over their customers. We all know, dealerships are extremely dishonest. Finding a reputable one is very difficult. No offense to Charles, it's just the industry you working.
Oh I am not offended at all. I don't totally agree with you, but I am not offended. I do agree that finding a reputable dealer can be difficult ,but there are some awesome ones out there.
I would like to propose this question. "Who's fault is it the keys are so expensive?" Is it the dealer? Is it the brand?
The brand will sell the keys as a certain price. They also put the process in place to make it work.
The dealer sells the key after a markup, and charges for the time to make it work with the car.
I don't think its a clear answer, but something to think about.
HumbleMechanic I honestly do not know who's fault it is that the keys are so expensive, it's just annoying that they are. It's not limited to just one brand either, all the smart key is seem to have the same problem.
I 100% agree with you. It is a super PITA for owners and they are left to pay the bill. You are totally right, its a lot of brands. That is why I am taken back by all the negative comments here. I guess people think I am happy that this crap costs so much. I must have done a poor job explaining that on this video
Charles you explained it well. It just sucks that a car like my '06 Jetta costs $250 for a replacement key. Its not a very expensive car but that key sure is!
HumbleMechanic thanks again lot for your info!
Sorry I bought the key and FOB on eBay and the money saved payed for the VAGCOM to program the keys. FACT. You just have to make sure the FOB has the same part number.
+Johnny Woo nice! Don't be sorry about that. :)
It's great when it works
Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to the White Wookie project. Really looking forward of the rebuilding of the VR6. If people are thinking about going the Ebay or online route. 1. make sure you have some one in your area who can cut the key. 2. Pull apart the FOB to confirm the part #. Even though the keys look the same, different part numbers may not work on your vehicle. 3. You will need the code, that was included with the paperwork when you bought your car. I think mine was in the trunk of my GTI. I saved the code on my computer if I lose the piece of paper. Look up the Ross Tech procedure or google the key programing procedure for your vehicle. If you need to program one key, the dealer might be the cheaper route. For me I needed to program multiple keys and the money saved payed for the VAGCOM which I used on other projects.
Why not just 3 fing keys in first place? Money.
+shade38211 I think that stopped in about 2009 maybe?
That would drive up the cost of the vehicles and VW is trying to do everything they can to make them more cost competitive.
They need the money to pay off the EPA....
Exactly. VW's cost per new key is what, maybe $5-10?
Worked at a Honda dealer with a Cadillac dealer next door. We wouldn't even cut keys for them.
How long have you been working at VolksWagen
about 13.5 years
Oh shit...Scotty "uuhhh" Kilmer up in da house. But we all know its Humble's house...Humble life 4eva! It's all good.
+holidayhouse03 hahha. I always like having Scotty pop by.
HumbleMechanic yeah.. as with your videos I always watch his uploads...especially his q&a vids. Although those are pretty much "its a money pit...buy a Toyota". All my best to you both. Wrench On!
+holidayhouse03 lol
HumbleMechanic does the radio have to do any thing with a 2002 jetta not starting or having problems with the imoboliser ??
+Daniel Salas not that I've seen
The average customer seems to want as much tech in their new car as possible...wanting to be able to walk up to the car and have the doors unlock automatically, or the ability to start the car without taking the "key" out of their pockets. Automakers are happy to oblige, as it means $300 for a key and why it'll cost thousands to fix these insanely complicated systems when they break. I'd love to see consumers rebel against all of the modern tech that's in reality totally unnecessary (is a $3 steel key and an ignition cylinder really that bad?) but I seriously doubt it'll ever happen.
+Chris Freemesser nope never going back.
Chris Freemesser I guess I am not average as I hate all the tech that doesn't offer improvements in comfort or performance.
Those non OEM keys are garbage.This is an issue with Chrysler products as well,use of the aftermarket keys causing no starts
Charging for an incompleted job is wrong. We never charge customers when we fail to finish the job...
so I had an mk4 valet key and wanted the actual key fob so went to fixmyvw.com bought one for pretty cheap and rebuilt the key with the immo chip from the valet key it's been working out fine
I'd like to know why I can't get a key for my car! Dealership doesn't have 'em, aftermarket doesn't have 'em. My key is worn out and I want a new one, darnit!
+rhkips what kind of car?
'97 B4 Passat. A car that never should have existed, but did due to import regulations! :D
LOL, yeah I would go the lock smith route here
Ayyy the epg r32 in the background
hi i like the caddy vr6 u did thats rad ! WITH THAT SAID IVE GOT SO MANY QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK U ABOUT THAT MOD THAT U WOULD BAN ME FORM UR SITE . THE IDEA IVE HAD WAS TO DO A VR6 MOD TO MY MK2 1986 1.8JETTA BUT THE PROBLEM IVE GOT WITH THAT IS THE REAR suspension ON THE MK 2 JETTAS R BAD MEANING THOSE coilovers just suports the rear end do not put 2 friends in the back and u r overloaded looks like ur driving up hill is their their a kit that can sort this cos ive spend more on coilovers and bull to get the same saggy rear end that it wold have cost for the vr6 my country salesmen and so called tecks dont care ive the problem is solved or not aslong as they made a bug
I dig the beard and sunglasses look
+Quinn Kirlew lol thanks.
Have owned a lot of VWs but i'm considering selling mine and never buying one again. A $300 dollar key for a VOLKSWAGEN. And we all know why every dealer says they have to charge you $120 whether an aftermarket key programs or not. Garbage.
So the tech than spends an hour trying you aftermarket key shouldn’t get paid for their time?
Before you sell your car over a key price , you may want to see what other OEMs charge for a key. Honda was the same price.
Don't worry I'm not buying a Honda either. It's not our fault that Volkwagen suddenly thinks it is Audi and we shouldn't be forced into a position to where we are trying to curtail exhorbitant prices for something like a key. I'm sure you have some rationalization for why keys have to be purchased directly through the dealer and precut as well.
and for the record, the dealership doesn't screw you. the car manufacturer does. and in that I mean, who puts a $10,000 4motion system in a $8,000 car? VW of course...all wheel drive=B.O.A.T.
Break out another thousand.
These people scoffing at paying $250 for a key to their car is why I would be hesitant to buy a used car in the future that MY2017 or newer. People have no problem financing a car for 7 years so they can "afford" it when they really can't. So when it comes time to do PM work they scoff and say it's too expensive and just ignore it. Modern newer cars are packed full of technology and they cost more to service then cars manufactured even 5-10 years ago. New cars cost more to fix then older cars. It's all part of cost of ownership - which most people don't take into account when getting that 7 year loan that barely lets them make the payment.
That's why I love my MY14 Golf. Just the right mix of modern tech but doesn't have all the "driver aids" that are $$$ when they need serviced or break. I prefer to drive my cars then be driven by them.
Then there are people like me who'll find the stupid smart key system and bypass it or rip it out.
I like this choice. It's kinda like wheel locks for me. If someone wants your shit, they are gonna take it.
Well yeah. And consider too the $250, $350 a dealer charges I bet cost on it is less than $20.
We pay $50 I think to have my dude Ian code that out of the ECM.
or...buy a car that doesn't run an operating system. Computers go on your desk. Not in your car! Spark, fuel, compression...everything else is bullshit!
Why are keys so expensive? Legitimate question not being funny.
Such nonsense
+TheRetiredtech the key issues or our answers?
HumbleMechanic the key issue
I do not disagree
$250 to replace a fucking key is cheap to you? Look at what you're saying, man.
+Edmund Mendez I'm confused as to everyone's objection to that statement.
I'm not saying i love that it costs that. It sucks! I'd be pissed if I had to pay that for a replacement key.
Just like I'd be pissed paying $400 for a bent wheel.
The programming and cutting tools run ~100K, you try an pay for the tools, go right ahead and fry it yourself. Try no key present situations and solder your own chip onto the ecu.
Failing to offer repairable and maintainable products is not YOUR fault, but I'm certainly not going to sit here and listen to you make a bunch of noise about why I should pay a ridiculous amount for a trivially simple service. FWIW, my last key was programmed at home with VCDS and it was cut across an ocean by a guy I sent a cellphone pic of the blade to. BTW, the net result of "key security" is more people being injured and killed in carjackings.
Calling BS on this one on many levels
I no joke sent a cellphone snap to a gentleman on the other side of the Atlantic who cut me a new key blank...for pennies. I then took an aftermarket key from somewhere and Asia and using software from Ross Tech and weird Eastern European websites, presto new key.
Absolutely horseshit that this is so difficult and complex. It serves no one but the automaker and to some lesser extent the insurer.
Interesting to see you highlight this reply and not have the stones to actually address it yourself.
It's cool, I'll unsubscribe myself. I don't remember the last time I saw you actually repair something on this channel in any case.
+Garrett McEwen man this key thing really got some people torqued up!
Sorry because I hadn't finished a reply you think I "don't have the stones" as you put it.
I think it's awesome you got your key programmed how you did. I'm not sure that everyone could do that.
I try and give general advice when it comes to a general question.
That being said, there another solution I forgot about when answering this. Ordering from someone like AARodriguez is another great option.
There will be a quick video coming about that. He's been good to me and I feel bad about forgetting to mention it.
Beyond that man, I'm not sure why you seem so pissed at me. I'd love if you would honestly explain that.
first lol
I wonder, Charles, if 250 bucks for A FUCKING KEY, would sound "kinda cheap" to you, if you didn't work for VW. I like you, don't piss away your integrity.
+YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit that statement comes of years of programming keys for about $300. Its in no way meant to belittle the cost.
Just like everyone else that's ever payed for a key, I'd be pissed if I had to spend the money. But how I feel about doesn't change the price.
It fucking sucks to pay for that crap. I'd love if it was $50. But it's not.
Not trying to come off as an ass or arrogant.
If anyone quibbles the $250-$300 price, I suggest you check the price of a key through the local Mercedes or BMW dealer. I've heard they are much higher.
+Mike Suranyi that's kind of my point. The days of a $0.59 key are long long gone.
Mike Suranyi Yeah, cause getting screwed on a higher level makes getting just plain fucked "ok". Do you hear yourself? It's wrong on both levels. "you're getting a deal on a $250 key, versus a Benz $500 key?" They've got you suckered pretty good, kid.
HumbleMechanic Dude, I completely understand your point, but it's a key; a piece of plastic and metal. That transponder is most likely made in China, and costs about 2 cents. Thank you for your civil response, but getting raped in the prison cafeteria, despite the lovely surroundings, is tantamount to getting raped in the shower; they both suck.