I did back it day 1. I'm really excited about the martial maneuvers and techniques, but also what the casters get to act uniquely from other casters beyond having different flavors of spells. Really excited to try druid grove stuff.
Thanks for breaking down what you like about DC20. I've been testing the system as a GM for a while now, overall its been a blast for all. It encourages dynamic & collaborative play and provides lots of opportunities for creativity and meaningful choices. Its been fairly easy to learn and teach because most of it feels so intuitive.
Got to playtest this at last year's GenCon and it was a blast! My table was getting a lot of mixed feelings with D&D. We tried Pathfinder and it was too constrictive for them. DC20 has been a perfect inbetween for my table. We haven't looked back since
@@JonnyRobinson I have only run it online. I use Roll20. With Roll20, you get 3 colored bars that you can use to track stuff for tokens, so I use green for HP, Blue for AP, and Red for SP/MP. The biggest problem I have seen is PLAYERS not tracking their AP. I usually end up doing it for them. In person, Id probably use a small handheld dry erase marker board, or a die next to where I am tracking the monster HP.
@@JonnyRobinson As for actually running the game, it is nearly as easy as D&D5e. DC20 does take on some of the crunch of Pathfinder with more actions you can do like recalling knowledge, feigning, intimidating, etc, and there are a lot more conditions, but the rules are very close to 5e, so if you’re not sure what the rule is, you can usually go with how you would rule it in 5e, and a lot of the time, you’ll actually be right anyway. Sticking with advantage and disadvantage is also easy to apply and intuitive.
It's nice to see so much love for DC20 lately. Of all of the new systems being developed, it's the only one I think could actually replace 5e for my group
I love the fact that DC20 is blowing up. This guy almost single handedly designed this RPG by himself, seemingly fixing everything that 5e has refused to fix for SO many years! But he has taken it even further blending in successful features from more RPGs and also adding his own innovative stuff when a solution was not readily available. Sure its still in development (Beta), but this just means that it will get even better down the line. Seeing the numbers on kickstarter, I believe not only will the core book be successful, but he will have the funds to hire more people to help him out AND have enough to start on working on the next book(s). Cheers!
Thanks for promoting that system. It is truly great and I hope it gets to crazy number so that a lot of people can open their eyes to what a great game this is ! Go DC20!!!
Look at those views shooting up! As always, thanks for all the content, and welcome back to getting back into streaming again! Thanks for all your work.
6. It's Not WotC/Hasbro- Put frankly, when I see news about DC20, I can feel excited immediately, as opposed to the WotC/Hasbro stuff where by this point, when you see a news article about them, you're like, "Oh god, what now?"
This is great and all, but for me what truly needs to happen is: Support in VTTs. Support in the form of adventure modules that are easy to read and DM (!!). Websites for building characters, NPCs and monsters. Support in the form of prewritten monsters with interesting mechanics. Quests. Locations. All easily accessible. This needs to be accessible, not only a good system with a book. I hope they can do that.
I agree, honestly I think we need to bring back Modules like in the olden days. The super thick campaign books that are like 150+ pages long shouldn't be the norm imo. Honestly Lost mines of phandelver is the perfect size. We def need modules for modularity and to string together to form an overall campaign, plus it means that new material can be pump out regularly rather then 1 new book a year. I agree on the VTT, roll 20 and foundry support is a must (even though I use Owlbear Rodeo lol) and ofc Online character maker would be nice with maybe a free SRD of sorts to test the game out with limited stuff (maybe up to level 3 with only 1 or 2 subclass per class)
@@Evendur6748 Agreed on both. Also, the problem I have with current adventures is that most of them are written like... books. What do I mean with that? I mean that the text structure focuses on delivering a fun experience instead of enabling you to bring a fun experience to your players. It is paragraph after paragraph of prose with hard to find information. The lore and information is most of the time completely irrelevant, or found at a later stage in the book (CoS is a big offender when it comes to this). It is basically just for the one who reads the book. I really, really dislike this. The thicccer the book, the worse this problem gets, too! If dc20 can bring good books that are well structured and use their own system, it would be such an insta win.
Read through the latest available alpha. Looks interesting and I'm curious to see how it develops. As a Pathfinder player, to me it feels like a blend of D&D5e and PF2e. Surprisingly, there are aspects to it that are way more complicated than PF2e. It also has aspects that are simpler than D&D5e. But it also has a lot of interesting ideas.
Thank you for the coverage of DC20. DC has the opportunity to be the premier Fantasy TTRPG of 2025. Alpha has been great. And Beta is now here and looking awesome. Give it a look 👀 as I think you may find something yheee just for you and your table. ❤
Does anyone know or have seen a video on the creatures you fight? As a DM are you getting all these action points for the creatures or is it the same ones now, same cr system?
Dog, I'm reading through these comments... Why are your viewers so grumpy? 😂 Dang... They're like Redditors, lol Anyway, cool video. Interested to see how this pans out.
Apparently a lot of these folks take the channel name “No Fun Allowed” literally. 😂. BTW this video got you a new subscriber. P.S. I am Backer 20 on DC20 ❤
OK, so is there a way to integrate the rolling to hit + damage in one roll in with 5e without breaking everything? There are a bunch of good elements of this that I want to have in my game but I don't want to change my game. Was the answer to this question in Alkander's Almanac?
@Zr0din @NoFunAllowed First off, 5e already has rolling to hit with the damage built in. It is literally in all the stat blocks, the numbers are in ( ) next to the damage range. If the number isn't provided it is easily enough figured out. D4=2.5, D6=3.5, D8=4.5, D10=5.5, D12=6.5, D20=10.5 and while 5e generally rounds down, you an round up, it doesn't matter that much. Reading through the DC20 playtest documents, if you'd prefer to move some of the stuff into an existing 5e campaign, it is easy enough. And if you want help, just let me know and I'll help you do it.
you have 4 action points, but often time you can stack the APs, like making spells or attacks stronger, so its rarely "i do 4 completely seperate yet completely unique actions"
I’ve played and GMed it about 6 months. Combat runs about the same time in my experience but more dynamic and engaging. You gain the 4 AP at the end of your turn, use it for reactions (yes you can do more than one reaction) and movement. Often you spend a couple AP on things like reaction Cantrips or maneuvers to improve you or your ally’s defense or saving throws, and you’re sometimes better off using more than one AP during your turn to give yourself advantage. It’s a very flexible and elegant way to to deal with action economy.
On top of what NoFun said, you also use them for your reactions, so you might have a shorter turn than other games depending on how many reactions you take advantage of
There's also no time spent confirming if someone's turn is over or not, i.e. "did you want to use movement? did you have any Bonus Action you wanted to take?", because one they've used up their 4 Action Points for the round, you know their turn is over and then they reset their action points as you move on to the next initiative. (And if they've used all 4 action points before their turn on reaction-triggers or by doing combos with allies, then you can just skip right past their turn.) Most of the time if a player has 3 or 4 Action Points at the start of their turn, they're using 2 or 3 of them to improve one action they want to do. Almost everything uses Action Points, even Movement, so it really is not any slower than D&D5e's round structure (Action, Bonus Action, Movement, Reaction) -- even smoother imo once you're well familiar with it as it's more flexible and allows for more choice and cooperation.
@@DM_Jimmy DC20 literally doesn’t have ressurection and a 4 damage hit, which can be done easily, can instantly kill a typical level 1 character, no takebacks. Furthermore, you can’t take almost your entire health pool in damage at 1 health, go down, and receive literally 1 healing after 2 death saves from getting stabbed on the ground and go right back into the fight like nothing happened. You are objectively wrong.
Love some of these changes but as I left a review for the alpha feedback a couple are major mistakes. The psychology of numbers is vastly different. Yes. Diablo 3 doing 2 billion damage is stupid. This does not translate to TTRPGs. Going from an existing culture of TTRPGs to now my character at their best does 9 damage!!!! That may be amazing in DC20 but this will greatly lack a wow factor and ultimately hurt the games success. The same concept goes for only 4 stats. I agree that constitution is a bit annoying as an auto pick for 12/14/16 in 5e. But it’s up to them DM to make other stats more important and engaging as well as constitution. Going from 6 to 4 sounds nice from a game design perspective. But again. This is extremely lacking. In fact. Simplifying hurt other games including computer games. Look at the utter failure of Diablo 3 and 4 if you want to use computer game RPGs as your example. Compare them To the success of Diablo 2. 6 stats, spell trees, complex inventories. I think the major problem with DC20 like most of these games. They all have grand ideas. But none of them are Guy Kawasaki or James Watt. These people just aren’t entrepreneurs and don’t have the know how to collect true academic data to make informed decisions on their games. For the love of god stop using discord and Reddit and hire a data analyst.
Hey, you like it, cool...but for me, no. I dont think low numbers, or killing off Con are positives, nor is the 4 AP system actually good since it has that penalty attached. Some decent ideas, but not my cup of tea...not worth changing from dnd if for 1 or 2 decent ideas one can steal.
Terrible take and a complete ignorance of the mechanics, the amount of different mechanics, and why those mechanics were changed to create better game play.
@@brilobox2 I read the available material...I just happen to think it doesnt suit me. If others like it, fine...but I dont think it makes the game better. I do think some ideas ARE worth stealing, but as a now...nah.
Looked at the QuickStart rules, this game is so derivative and vanilla. Hard pass. Blows my mind the interest and backing of this game, but to each their own.
Yeah it reminds me of the Shadowdark hype a year ago except Shadowdark actually did something cool by adding old school style to modern d20 RPGs. DC20 looks terrible
@@alexabel8010 can you elaborate on what you see special in DC20 or are you just hopping on the hype train for a system that nobody will play and booing anybody that won’t hop on with you?
@@xavierp7658 To me it sounds more like you have some sort of chip on your shoulder in regards to new systems. No one is saying DC20 is doing some mind-blowing, revolutionary game design that will forever change the landscape of TTRPGs. What they ARE saying is that its a good midway between the two most popular and successful TTRPGs on the market: D&D5e and PF2e. They are also saying that it solves many of the problems of both while keeping most of the good parts of both. ALL TTRPGs at this point are derivative, in fact, TTRPGs themselves as a concept are derivative, given their origins in wargaming that was essentially homebrewed. I would share my thoughts on DC20 in more detail, but your attitude just shows that it'd be a complete waste of time.
@@zacharyharwell351 no chip on my shoulder at all. I switched my whole campaign over to Shadowdark because I saw the value in the system. I don’t see that here.
This game feels so overhyped, like they are dumping a lot of money into advertisement and paying off content creators. All these creators are gushing over it, and yet the game is in early development, and entire rules are being rewritten daily. That tells me these videos are full of shit if they can't find problems with it because the developers are finding issues. They did the same thing with Shadowdark and its only now that this is out they are pointing out shortfalls in Shadowdark. My personal concern is players constantly interrupting the game, and every action the DM takes is countered by a player. This is one of the things i hated about 3e. My other concern is that combat doesnt seem very good. Yes its faster, bu tying attack to damage means the players always know the monster defence, and its almost impossible to have a high defense/low htpt mob. This makes converting adventures or homebrewing extremely difficult, and any content will need to be designed by the developers. It is just not 3rd party friendly.
agree it looks like the special ed version of an rpg. How many people have bad DMs that they cannot be fast at rulesets. DnD is super easy to play - I play 2e and have not found a better one yet. 5e as well I found was just not good. The art work in it also is bad and this game seems to have crap art work as well. Most of the players that will play this already play ShadowDark as that game is super easy to play as well. I browsed the quickstart of this and laughed at how cheesy it is. I thought SDark was vanilla - this one takes the crown.
@@rycor9117 yeah I agree on all counts. Additionally never been a fan of dungeon coach or any of his content. This system doesn’t change that view at all
People should certainly play what they want. We’ve had an active West Marches discord playing DC20 for about the past 6 months and having a blast with it!
@@rycor9117surprised how much love you have for 2e, but I’m glad you’ve had a game that’s been around for 35 years! It didn’t really add much for me over AD&D 1st edition. I’ve been playing and GMing DC20 and it’s given a lot of good gaming experiences for us.
@@GlenFinney I have been playing 2e and through to 5e and 2e with after years of playing it I made it mine as the game tells you to do - change or keep what works. Glad my love for 2e makes you happy. 2e was never meant to when it came out - it was 1st edition in order with lots of player added rules. 1st edition was all over the place. 3rd wasn't to bad either. I have never struggled to DM games and have been running a 9 player group for many years. We try different stuff but 2e is our go to most times we do play free league games in between. Its not for me I need more of a challenge - to each their own - in the end it is just a game. And yes 2e had proven to stand the test of time - you can tell from all the supplements it had, and still fan created stuff which is great to check out.
Thanks for the coverage. Much love from the Dev team and all of us at TDC! 💚
keep staying awesome!
I did back it day 1. I'm really excited about the martial maneuvers and techniques, but also what the casters get to act uniquely from other casters beyond having different flavors of spells. Really excited to try druid grove stuff.
Thanks for breaking down what you like about DC20. I've been testing the system as a GM for a while now, overall its been a blast for all. It encourages dynamic & collaborative play and provides lots of opportunities for creativity and meaningful choices. Its been fairly easy to learn and teach because most of it feels so intuitive.
awesome to hear!
Got to playtest this at last year's GenCon and it was a blast! My table was getting a lot of mixed feelings with D&D. We tried Pathfinder and it was too constrictive for them. DC20 has been a perfect inbetween for my table. We haven't looked back since
heck yeah!
Absolutely ❤
I pledge the core set. I have been running DC20 for about 3 months. I have never been a player.
DC20 is amazing!
awesome stuff!
How is it to DM? I imagine it is tricky to manage all the AP for the NPCs and doing their reactions at the same time.
@@JonnyRobinson I have only run it online. I use Roll20. With Roll20, you get 3 colored bars that you can use to track stuff for tokens, so I use green for HP, Blue for AP, and Red for SP/MP.
The biggest problem I have seen is PLAYERS not tracking their AP. I usually end up doing it for them.
In person, Id probably use a small handheld dry erase marker board, or a die next to where I am tracking the monster HP.
@@JonnyRobinson As for actually running the game, it is nearly as easy as D&D5e. DC20 does take on some of the crunch of Pathfinder with more actions you can do like recalling knowledge, feigning, intimidating, etc, and there are a lot more conditions, but the rules are very close to 5e, so if you’re not sure what the rule is, you can usually go with how you would rule it in 5e, and a lot of the time, you’ll actually be right anyway.
Sticking with advantage and disadvantage is also easy to apply and intuitive.
Good to know. I backed the Kickstarter and am pumped to see where it goes from here. Cheers @garykinney16
It's nice to see so much love for DC20 lately. Of all of the new systems being developed, it's the only one I think could actually replace 5e for my group
its good for groups to spread their ttrpg wings haha
I love the fact that DC20 is blowing up.
This guy almost single handedly designed this RPG by himself, seemingly fixing everything that 5e has refused to fix for SO many years!
But he has taken it even further blending in successful features from more RPGs and also adding his own innovative stuff when a solution was not readily available.
Sure its still in development (Beta), but this just means that it will get even better down the line.
Seeing the numbers on kickstarter, I believe not only will the core book be successful, but he will have the funds to hire more people to help him out AND have enough to start on working on the next book(s).
Cheers!
Thanks for the video. I look forward to seeing more DC20 content from you in the future...
looking forward to it!
Thanks for promoting that system. It is truly great and I hope it gets to crazy number so that a lot of people can open their eyes to what a great game this is ! Go DC20!!!
lets go haha
Look at those views shooting up! As always, thanks for all the content, and welcome back to getting back into streaming again! Thanks for all your work.
thank you so much!
No problem man! Keep up the good work!
Great coverage of DC20.
I've been doing a couple of oneshots and it's a blast. Finally martials are fun again
make martials matter haha
I’m super excited for DC 20!
heck yeah!
Great to see coverage of the future in TTRPGs! Once you really get into this system and give it a try other systems will seem so slow and inefficient
haha i dunno, theres ttrpgs where everything is decided with coin flips
6. It's Not WotC/Hasbro- Put frankly, when I see news about DC20, I can feel excited immediately, as opposed to the WotC/Hasbro stuff where by this point, when you see a news article about them, you're like, "Oh god, what now?"
This is great and all, but for me what truly needs to happen is: Support in VTTs. Support in the form of adventure modules that are easy to read and DM (!!). Websites for building characters, NPCs and monsters. Support in the form of prewritten monsters with interesting mechanics. Quests. Locations. All easily accessible.
This needs to be accessible, not only a good system with a book. I hope they can do that.
i know he's working on VTT support!
@@NoFunAllowed Niiiice!
I agree, honestly I think we need to bring back Modules like in the olden days. The super thick campaign books that are like 150+ pages long shouldn't be the norm imo.
Honestly Lost mines of phandelver is the perfect size. We def need modules for modularity and to string together to form an overall campaign, plus it means that new material can be pump out regularly rather then 1 new book a year.
I agree on the VTT, roll 20 and foundry support is a must (even though I use Owlbear Rodeo lol) and ofc Online character maker would be nice with maybe a free SRD of sorts to test the game out with limited stuff (maybe up to level 3 with only 1 or 2 subclass per class)
He is working on a character creator app
@@Evendur6748 Agreed on both.
Also, the problem I have with current adventures is that most of them are written like... books. What do I mean with that? I mean that the text structure focuses on delivering a fun experience instead of enabling you to bring a fun experience to your players.
It is paragraph after paragraph of prose with hard to find information.
The lore and information is most of the time completely irrelevant, or found at a later stage in the book (CoS is a big offender when it comes to this). It is basically just for the one who reads the book.
I really, really dislike this. The thicccer the book, the worse this problem gets, too!
If dc20 can bring good books that are well structured and use their own system, it would be such an insta win.
Read through the latest available alpha.
Looks interesting and I'm curious to see how it develops.
As a Pathfinder player, to me it feels like a blend of D&D5e and PF2e.
Surprisingly, there are aspects to it that are way more complicated than PF2e.
It also has aspects that are simpler than D&D5e.
But it also has a lot of interesting ideas.
DC 20 solved so many problems. I can't wait to play.
same haha
Why wait? /s
The sample document on the KS is up to level 2. That's enough to do a few one-shots.
Been playing this so much lately so easy to pick up and loads of fun
awesome to hear!
Peaked my interest. Thank you for the overview, I’ll look into it
100% pledge and just enjoying so many channels talking about it!
I backed it, looks great.
heck yeah!
^^^ Patreon and backer 346 here for the DC20 Deluxe Set. Can't wait for this system!
I back it towards the end as I was slow in finding out (thanks d&d shorts). So excited to ring my first sessions with the books.😊
im a story teller and a lore guy so i'll have to see what the setting is like, im big into roleplay as a DM
to be fair, you could just drop this system into any setting haha
@@NoFunAllowedTrue!
There will be a world setting we’ve had glimpses of the lore. I think it’ll be a cool addition even if I tend to like making my own worlds.
I really love this system!
awesome to hear!
Jeez literally every dnd person has talked about this
haha its hard not to talk about a million$ kickstarter of a new system from a fellow youtuber!
Its just that good try it and see
This was my first Kickstarter, looking forward to it
I think it looks cool
heck yeah!
What’s the point of enchanting mage hand to last longer if it’s a cantrip?
DC20 is goated
Thank you for the coverage of DC20. DC has the opportunity to be the premier Fantasy TTRPG of 2025. Alpha has been great. And Beta is now here and looking awesome. Give it a look 👀 as I think you may find something yheee just for you and your table. ❤
Does anyone know or have seen a video on the creatures you fight? As a DM are you getting all these action points for the creatures or is it the same ones now, same cr system?
Dog, I'm reading through these comments... Why are your viewers so grumpy? 😂 Dang... They're like Redditors, lol
Anyway, cool video. Interested to see how this pans out.
some people hate to see success haha
Apparently a lot of these folks take the channel name “No Fun Allowed” literally. 😂. BTW this video got you a new subscriber. P.S. I am Backer 20 on DC20 ❤
I backed it, partially because my crippling addiction to dice compelled me to go for a higher tier
haha fair
IKR? The dice look amazing!
OK, so is there a way to integrate the rolling to hit + damage in one roll in with 5e without breaking everything? There are a bunch of good elements of this that I want to have in my game but I don't want to change my game. Was the answer to this question in Alkander's Almanac?
sadly 5e always breaks when you add or remove too many things haha
@@NoFunAllowed Not correct.
There are ways, yes. If you are looking for a Roll to Hit + Damage system, check out Rolemaster.
@Zr0din @NoFunAllowed First off, 5e already has rolling to hit with the damage built in. It is literally in all the stat blocks, the numbers are in ( ) next to the damage range. If the number isn't provided it is easily enough figured out. D4=2.5, D6=3.5, D8=4.5, D10=5.5, D12=6.5, D20=10.5 and while 5e generally rounds down, you an round up, it doesn't matter that much.
Reading through the DC20 playtest documents, if you'd prefer to move some of the stuff into an existing 5e campaign, it is easy enough. And if you want help, just let me know and I'll help you do it.
Four actions, seems like it will really slow play down.
you have 4 action points, but often time you can stack the APs, like making spells or attacks stronger, so its rarely "i do 4 completely seperate yet completely unique actions"
I’ve played and GMed it about 6 months. Combat runs about the same time in my experience but more dynamic and engaging. You gain the 4 AP at the end of your turn, use it for reactions (yes you can do more than one reaction) and movement. Often you spend a couple AP on things like reaction Cantrips or maneuvers to improve you or your ally’s defense or saving throws, and you’re sometimes better off using more than one AP during your turn to give yourself advantage. It’s a very flexible and elegant way to to deal with action economy.
On top of what NoFun said, you also use them for your reactions, so you might have a shorter turn than other games depending on how many reactions you take advantage of
There's also no time spent confirming if someone's turn is over or not, i.e. "did you want to use movement? did you have any Bonus Action you wanted to take?", because one they've used up their 4 Action Points for the round, you know their turn is over and then they reset their action points as you move on to the next initiative. (And if they've used all 4 action points before their turn on reaction-triggers or by doing combos with allies, then you can just skip right past their turn.)
Most of the time if a player has 3 or 4 Action Points at the start of their turn, they're using 2 or 3 of them to improve one action they want to do. Almost everything uses Action Points, even Movement, so it really is not any slower than D&D5e's round structure (Action, Bonus Action, Movement, Reaction) -- even smoother imo once you're well familiar with it as it's more flexible and allows for more choice and cooperation.
Speech stats are for Video Games
All improvements, but I have heard PCs are even more overpowered than 5e. Is this true?
not really. they have more flexibility, but they can die relativiely easily
OP is subjective. But, if you consider characters OP in 5e, then yes, DC20 characters are more so.
@@DM_Jimmy
They die quicker than 5e
Since the death threshold is smaller.
@@jacksonhorrocks4281 having run 5e since the beginning and a more than a dozen DC20 test, 100% disagree.
@@DM_Jimmy DC20 literally doesn’t have ressurection and a 4 damage hit, which can be done easily, can instantly kill a typical level 1 character, no takebacks. Furthermore, you can’t take almost your entire health pool in damage at 1 health, go down, and receive literally 1 healing after 2 death saves from getting stabbed on the ground and go right back into the fight like nothing happened. You are objectively wrong.
Pledged in the first 5 minutes
DC20! 💜
I like this video
Warhammer quest is the best system
Look at. Not going to donate due to not going to be able to play it.
too many things on the table already huh haha
Love some of these changes but as I left a review for the alpha feedback a couple are major mistakes. The psychology of numbers is vastly different. Yes. Diablo 3 doing 2 billion damage is stupid. This does not translate to TTRPGs. Going from an existing culture of TTRPGs to now my character at their best does 9 damage!!!! That may be amazing in DC20 but this will greatly lack a wow factor and ultimately hurt the games success. The same concept goes for only 4 stats. I agree that constitution is a bit annoying as an auto pick for 12/14/16 in 5e. But it’s up to them DM to make other stats more important and engaging as well as constitution. Going from 6 to 4 sounds nice from a game design perspective. But again. This is extremely lacking. In fact. Simplifying hurt other games including computer games. Look at the utter failure of Diablo 3 and 4 if you want to use computer game RPGs as your example. Compare them
To the success of Diablo 2. 6 stats, spell trees, complex inventories. I think the major problem with DC20 like most of these games. They all have grand ideas. But none of them are Guy Kawasaki or James Watt. These people just aren’t entrepreneurs and don’t have the know how to collect true academic data to make informed decisions on their games. For the love of god stop using discord and Reddit and hire a data analyst.
Hey, you like it, cool...but for me, no. I dont think low numbers, or killing off Con are positives, nor is the 4 AP system actually good since it has that penalty attached. Some decent ideas, but not my cup of tea...not worth changing from dnd if for 1 or 2 decent ideas one can steal.
Terrible take and a complete ignorance of the mechanics, the amount of different mechanics, and why those mechanics were changed to create better game play.
@@brilobox2 I read the available material...I just happen to think it doesnt suit me. If others like it, fine...but I dont think it makes the game better. I do think some ideas ARE worth stealing, but as a now...nah.
Looked at the QuickStart rules, this game is so derivative and vanilla. Hard pass. Blows my mind the interest and backing of this game, but to each their own.
Yeah it reminds me of the Shadowdark hype a year ago except Shadowdark actually did something cool by adding old school style to modern d20 RPGs. DC20 looks terrible
Damn. Imagine being these guys? Each to their own, I guess.
@@alexabel8010 can you elaborate on what you see special in DC20 or are you just hopping on the hype train for a system that nobody will play and booing anybody that won’t hop on with you?
@@xavierp7658 To me it sounds more like you have some sort of chip on your shoulder in regards to new systems. No one is saying DC20 is doing some mind-blowing, revolutionary game design that will forever change the landscape of TTRPGs.
What they ARE saying is that its a good midway between the two most popular and successful TTRPGs on the market: D&D5e and PF2e. They are also saying that it solves many of the problems of both while keeping most of the good parts of both.
ALL TTRPGs at this point are derivative, in fact, TTRPGs themselves as a concept are derivative, given their origins in wargaming that was essentially homebrewed.
I would share my thoughts on DC20 in more detail, but your attitude just shows that it'd be a complete waste of time.
@@zacharyharwell351 no chip on my shoulder at all. I switched my whole campaign over to Shadowdark because I saw the value in the system. I don’t see that here.
This game feels so overhyped, like they are dumping a lot of money into advertisement and paying off content creators. All these creators are gushing over it, and yet the game is in early development, and entire rules are being rewritten daily. That tells me these videos are full of shit if they can't find problems with it because the developers are finding issues. They did the same thing with Shadowdark and its only now that this is out they are pointing out shortfalls in Shadowdark.
My personal concern is players constantly interrupting the game, and every action the DM takes is countered by a player. This is one of the things i hated about 3e.
My other concern is that combat doesnt seem very good. Yes its faster, bu tying attack to damage means the players always know the monster defence, and its almost impossible to have a high defense/low htpt mob. This makes converting adventures or homebrewing extremely difficult, and any content will need to be designed by the developers. It is just not 3rd party friendly.
i wish i was paid off to make this video haha
Wanted to roll for and in rease stats with level ups; and have faster combat with easy spell system.
Well DC 20 for me Failed!
I like SHADOWDARK.
Nah DC20 doesn’t look good. Can’t see anyone actually playing it but even if they do, I will not.
agree it looks like the special ed version of an rpg. How many people have bad DMs that they cannot be fast at rulesets. DnD is super easy to play - I play 2e and have not found a better one yet. 5e as well I found was just not good. The art work in it also is bad and this game seems to have crap art work as well. Most of the players that will play this already play ShadowDark as that game is super easy to play as well. I browsed the quickstart of this and laughed at how cheesy it is. I thought SDark was vanilla - this one takes the crown.
@@rycor9117 yeah I agree on all counts. Additionally never been a fan of dungeon coach or any of his content. This system doesn’t change that view at all
People should certainly play what they want. We’ve had an active West Marches discord playing DC20 for about the past 6 months and having a blast with it!
@@rycor9117surprised how much love you have for 2e, but I’m glad you’ve had a game that’s been around for 35 years! It didn’t really add much for me over AD&D 1st edition. I’ve been playing and GMing DC20 and it’s given a lot of good gaming experiences for us.
@@GlenFinney I have been playing 2e and through to 5e and 2e with after years of playing it I made it mine as the game tells you to do - change or keep what works. Glad my love for 2e makes you happy. 2e was never meant to when it came out - it was 1st edition in order with lots of player added rules. 1st edition was all over the place. 3rd wasn't to bad either. I have never struggled to DM games and have been running a 9 player group for many years. We try different stuff but 2e is our go to most times we do play free league games in between. Its not for me I need more of a challenge - to each their own - in the end it is just a game. And yes 2e had proven to stand the test of time - you can tell from all the supplements it had, and still fan created stuff which is great to check out.