The Railway Review To The NS SLT and SNG
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มี.ค. 2023
- A massive thanks once more to Railway Graphics for drawing the fantastic artwork for the thumbnail. You can see more of their work here: / train.graphics
Also many thanks to KoploperMau for letting me borrow his footage for this video. You can check out his channel here: @KoploperMau
It's time to head to The Netherlands again and to take a look at some glorified Electrostar equivalents. Or perhaps I'm being too hard on these two trains? Only one way to find out...
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All films/photos outside of the jokes and the derailed 373 were taken by me or KoploperMau. Additional content from Wikipedia and Terminator 2 used under fair use.
Song used: • [GBA]Monolithic Pride ... - บันเทิง
Jack, the Railway Graphics guy, is away busy buying groceries so he'll draw the SLT for the thumbnail once he's back. That's why it has an IOU on it. Either way, this was fun to make. Next one in the series will be one you'll be rattling for if ADL have anything to say hehehe...
Anyway, some Ice Cream, a coat hanger and a JPEG of a Pelican that I forgot to use in this video are up for grabs for the individual who guesses all the stations filmed at. The SLT ramp clip doesn't count.
0:00 Amsterdam Blijmer ArenA
0:02 Amsterdam RAI
0:03 Gouda Goverwelle
0:07 Alkmaar
0:16 Hoofddorp
0:23 Breda
0:37 Almere Buiten
0:51 Amsterdam Sloterdijk
1:10 Welwyn Garden City
1:16 Groningen
1:28 Arnhem Zuid
1:43 Castricum
2:02 Leiden Centraal
2:15 Leeds
2:18 Doncaster
2:21 Almelo
2:34 Nieuw-Vennep
2:46 Heerhugowaard
3:00 Voorschoten
3:09 Den Haag Centraal
3:19 Abcoude
3:42 Rotterdam Blaak
4:53 Voorschoten
5:09 Delft
5:27 Baarn
5:46 Arnhem Centraal
5:54 Zwolle
5:58 Leiden Lammenschans
6:09 Hoofddorp
6:21 Arnhem Velperpoort
6:43 Leeuwarden
7:02 Schiphol Airport
7:18 Weesp
7:31 Amsterdam Zuid
7:54 Amsterdam Muiderpoort
11:23 Delft (old)
12:00 Voorschoten
12:14 Lelystad Centrum
12:27 Abcoude
12:30 Utrecht Centraal
12:38 Overveen
13:07 Rotterdam Alexander
13:29 Almere Poort
13:45 Gouda
one of my coat hangers broke today so that's handy!
@@317Dan Is this with or without asking Rio? 😉
@@CoastwayWill Of course not! That'd be cheating!
And cheating will be punished by 100 litres of Nickelodeon slime, of course. Also congratulations again Dan, you got them all right again!!!!!!!!
Another Dutch review, the best ones 🎉
And oh boy, As someone who has to ride 195s every single weekday, most of the time for two journeys or more.. It makes me wish that we had these here. The British Civity review is going to be absolutely hilarious though lol
If I could bring any train from Europe here, these two would probably be low on the list behing the likes of the Desiro HC, FLIRT 3XL, WINK or Belgian IC rolling stock. On the list, sure, but very low on it.
Bro i love your railway reviews
I look forward to a review on the 195s and 331s, since I've heard that the Civitys are not as good as I was initially thinking (especially in terms of ride quality, from what I gather). The only CAF units I've ridden on are the ones in Auckland, and they actually give a reasonably smooth ride. Seems like Northern took two steps forward, one or more steps back when introducing the Pacer replacements.
As for these Dutch units, I find it a little odd that they still run on 1,500 volts DC (though I suspect that it's due to the age of the system). New Zealand used to have three sections electrified on these same voltage - Otira to Arthur's Pass, Christchurch to Lyttelton and the Wellington suburban lines. It'd be nice to have a Dutch route in TSW (especially if it included the ex-Woodhead electrics), but knowing what DTG are like, I doubt we'll ever see anything that interesting in the game.
They still use 1500 V DC because it's what they've been using since the 1920s and costs a billion euros to upgrade it to even 3000 V DC :(. Also good luck waiting for anything of value for Benelux for TSW. There's a reason I never wasted my time with it beyond the demo. I could see what was coming from a mile away.
Double deckers are nice for capcity, but they have fewer doors/need staircases which ramps up the dwell time at stations by a lot, making them quite a bit slower overall.
I've recieved this comment before on an other video, but the MI 2Ns are my go-to example of double decker suburban trains that can (sort of) work. It has 6 large doors per coach and multiple staircases. The vestibule areas around the doors look as big as the DDZ/DD-ARs which is pretty impressive.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel It can (sort of) work true, but it still increases dwell time at stations. So it is a pick your poison type of situation.
AND double decker trains have a higher axle load (the ns virms are the heaviest trains the ns has by a lot (having the same axle load as a traxx locomotive), which means more maintenance in the netherlands as the gound is far too weak for any train. (The hsl-zuid keeps having issues for this reason, the ground is far too weak to go at high speeds, even with ridiculous foundations).
Me as a regular user of the SLT im neutral on them they arent bad nor good they fine trains that are good that their job they given. Tho I really miss the SGMm and the Mat 64 even more since the Mat 64 had good seats especially in first class.
I'm still a bit gutted that I never got the chance to ride a Mat 64. The next time I went after 2013 was 2016 and I just missed the last sets by a few months :(
@@MaverickHunterDaniel its shame you missed them. Tho sometimes the railway museum in Utrecht open their museum trains to visitors and what I have heard of is that are they doing it again between the 7th of april to the 10th of april. So you can get in all the old trains including the Mat 64.
There's no way I'll have enough money to go for then but thanks for the heads up for the future :)
Double decker trains are not so good for the "sprinter" services with closely spaced stations at short intervals. 4 sets of doors aren't enough to get everyone on and off quickly, and if you do a Paris RER A and put 6 doors per carriage, the train becomes mostly stair, with as many seats as a single decker of equivalent length
I can sort of understand that, though other countries seem to pull it off decently enough such as Germany, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Italy and the Transilien services in france. I mean, the new double deck RER NG trains that are being ordered for Paris have only 4 sets of doors too, though whether it'll have the same issue or not is anyone's guess.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel those have level boarding mostly, which is not possible in the Netherlands due to the higher platforms.
@@spoorwegenTF2 I swear that the RER has higher platform heights than the 550mm France usually has though. nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Z_22500#/media/Bestand:RER-Paris-Rame-Z22500-ligne.jpg
Thank god I went there (absolute 1 hour great northern 717 experience on max speed)
Did I mention the SLTs are dead in Amsterdam and Rotterdam?
The live map showing several SLTs running in both Amsterdam and Rotterdam says otherwise. Unless you mean they've broken down.
9:15 surprised these seats didn't receive at least a small amount of slander given they are the same as standard class seats on IETs!
I don't think they are. Even if the shape is similar, the feel is much better than the IETs.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel they are Fainsa Sophias which are what the IETs have, must be the choice of NS putting in superior padding compared to what our cheapskate DFT is willing to fork out for (most of the GWR seat bases have already collapsed...)
@@eb_ic225 Well that explains it.
4:49 So did the HSTs, 158s, pacers, 321s..etc...
Yep and I thought it was disgusting there too.
Can you do the desiros next
Only if you give me a $599 USD donation. :)
@Maverick Hunter Daniel, the best I can do is my tesco clubcard and a half eaten packet of walkers sensations
@@Keyaans_Photography I respect the attempt
@@MaverickHunterDaniel I’ll give ya some aventra footage if you make a video about them
@@TheTrainiac377 I don't need anymore footage of them, I've recorded enough, thanks.
Took 40 bricks and a lot of slapping to put toilets in the slt.
A few comments;
- First class is provided on all* (99%) of trains in the Netherlands to simplify ticketing.....Sprinter trains also need to be capable of running intercity services in the odd unusual situation. The comfort in First class is terrible on Sprinters, but it has to be provided because a large portion of first class travellers aren't paying for it themselves. Usually, their employer pays.
- Since a lot of first class passengers aren't paying for it themselves, these compartments are quite full during peak hours and that's why there is relatively more of it than in other countries. The extra first class section on SLT wasn't a problem, but the lack of a toilet was and NS were forced to add them after lawsuits and political controversy.
- SNGs have a bad reputation because of their highly uncomfortable seating and awkward text to speech announcements, although the announcements have been improved somewhat now, they're still quite bad. SLTs have a bad reputation because they are quite outdated (although they were very modern in 2007) and the legroom in Second class is truly terrible in some seats. It's also quite hard to stand in the gangway.
- Double deckers are not an option for Sprinter trains due to dwell times during rush hour. It's also not possible to build a double decker train with level boarding. NS is currently ordering new double deckers, but they will mostly be used on intercity services and they will not feature level boarding on most coaches.
Thanks for the extra insight, really appreciate it! I guess First Class isn't too much of a scam if you don't pay for it!
@@MaverickHunterDaniel it's not a scam at all, and there's also an affordable weekend subscription allowing unlimited First class travel Friday evening to Monday morning for only €40 a month.
@@spoorwegenTF2 Don't get me wrong, I like Dutch triains and all, but I wouldn't be caught dead buying a monthy subscription for first class over there. The only time I ride in First is when it's cheaper than Standard, which happens with Grand Central over here for some reason.
Honestly.. I don't find SLT that old as they are at the moment. It's only the lighting which doesn't look modern, but otherwise I can't say that the SLT is pretty much outdated, especially not if you compare it with ICM or the ICR combined with traxx locomotives as they are the oldest trains of the NS.
The only thing I like of the SNG is basically the power sockets and wifi (but wifi doesn't always work though). For all other parts I prefer SLT which is good for a sprinter train.
Also, when the midlife revision of the SLT comes, they will get a 'flow' exterior like the modernised VIRM 2/3 have and hopefully the SLTs will get a bit more space on the 4-sits and comfortable enough to drive as an intercity as they will in the future drive as intercities as well as sprinters.
However, most people don't even care if they have a SLT or SNG for as long as they can have a seat. For me, I rather would travel in a SNG for at maximum 30 minutes while I can travel in a SLT for maybe an hour.
But overall both trains aren't that bad. :)
@@SLT2609 but why do you feel that ICM or ICR is more outdated? it's certainly older, but the comfort and decoration are much better. There's even large tables and power outlets, wifi, surely that makes it less outdated than SLT without basically anything. it will be nice to finally see them modernize SLT in a couple of years and add outlets, tables and nicer lighting like in ICNG.
We need a class 450 and 444 review!
I can do it right now for a small upfront fee of...um, oh yes, $599 USD or you can wait until I'm ready.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel no thanks, i will sure wait a couple of years
I swear the Dutch always get cool trains, the DFT is too stupid to fund stuff that benefits people or gets trains using some sorta common sense, instead they get 2 car 197s that run between somewhere in Wales and Liverpool and have seat reservations, or any 5 car IET running between London and stuff somewhere else.
Agreed, majority of trains in the UK are so boring (Aventras, IETS) that people are beginning to like their presence, whilst trains in Europe are interesting and have variation, even some of the old trains in Europe are getting modernised, refurbished so their lives are getting extended. I wish the UK could do that.
@@lucastheelectrostar9176 They absolutely could, they are just too lazy to do anything
Mhmm. Italy comes to mind when they refurbished their flagship ETR 500 sets. The power cars were designed to be compatitble with other rolling stock so instead of scrapping them, they put them on lower tier Frecciabianca high speed services with Eurofirma coaches and reclass them as the E.414. They still reach 200kph but more importantly, they actually use them instead of letting them rot away in a depot.
The equivelant here was the GWR HST Castle Sets, but imagine they were full length, had a buffet, cycle spaces and used them on London - Plymouth/Penzance instead of Semi Fast Bristol and Devon services.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel Yeah, both scenarios are simular, it’s just Italy used common sense, but weren’t the HSTs shortened because of some of the stations that they stop at having short platforms?
@@TheTrainiac377 Yes, but also because they were demoted to semi fast services.
I never rode on the SGM but I have rode in mostly SNG and a few times SLT it's infuriating when you see a 3 car SNG in rush hour on a 40 minute journey... That's the only reason I prefer SLT over SNG
Guess I can say I've been lucky to avoid the 3 car peak services every time I pop down to The Netherlands :D
@@MaverickHunterDaniel oh YES definitely but you sometimes also see ICM in that config which is always a pain...
I once had a 3 car SNG instead of a 6 car SLT in the highest peak hour... I can tell it wasn't funny at all.
first class in NS is always a scam no matter the train
its just a place for rich people to flex
At least with regards to NS, the Koploper, VIRM, ICMr and the DDZ bother to have different seating arrangements with their first class unlike these two trains.
That's complete nonsense, first class is comfortable on IC trains and the legroom and privacy are major benefits. The older IC trains still feature a few private compartments too. I would not recommend anyone to travel in Second class on NS intercity trains.
@@spoorwegenTF2 That make no sense either. As a student I always go on second class and it's really amazing in all the intercities: ICM, ICR, DDZ and VIRM (except for the old VIRM-4s, the seatings are a bit hard there). For as long as it's not busy of course. :)
We dutch people just have an expensive public transport system and we love to complain about how expensive everything is and we love to complain about companies such as NS or Arriva, but if we compare it with other countries it is not even bad at all honestly.
Also for sprinters, first class has only been made for a higher chance on a seat as it can be very busy during rush hours.
I have to admit: Sprinters have been built for what they are actually are: stopping at every station (there are enough exceptions for that as well such as the line from Utrecht to Leiden and Utrecht - Almere as both of them skip some stations).
Honestly..I still think I rather have SLT than SGM though as SGM did not have air conditioning, were high floor trains and pretty much quite old. I only liked to see them from the outside. :)
I did not know that the SLT even existed