Gotta hard disagree about saying Archie Sonic is weaker than game Sonic, although game Sonic does have some better matchups due to the nature of their powers, Archie is generally stronger.
@@afrinsyed1586 ain't no way the Creator of sonic said that shit and also in the cosomology of the sonic verse there is said that every atom in the sonic contains an Infinite amount of universes and every Universe contains an infinite amount of galaxies and dimensions
Okay, Otherworld is stated to be metaphysical, metaphysics related to transcending the laws of nature (Also Space, time, causality ect.) Otherworld being Metaphysical is already enough to get it to Outer.
The narrator be capping too 😂 Whis would've been concerned if Goku was going to destroy the universe, since he was concern when Beerus and Champa did it
Just because the hyperbolic time chamber was stated to be a different dimension that dosent debunk the statement of the other world transcending dimensions As the scan you provided was a misstranslation and the actual scan says the other world transcends the dimensionality of the other world, not just dimensions 2.lacking the concept of time and space wouldn't be outer immediately bit if you combine that with the proper translation then it's obvious that the otherworld is above the concept of dimensionality of the verse 3. Even if the metaphysical scans are from a board game, it would still be cannon along nothing contradicts it.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj Super dimensions does scale ls scale somewhere and is above Dimensional Almost close to hyper-dimensional Solaris was going to erease everything in the sonic universe and the baseline Is Extraversal+ 😭😭😎 So Solaris Was a Infinite dimensional being He viewed the sonic verse as Fiction wtf bro 🤷🤷🤷
You already lost me within the first 5 seconds. Sonic isn't the fastest being (thing?) alive. First of all, the highest speed Sonic could reach was the speed of light, which he can't hold for long, and his usual high-speed is far lower than that. DC'S Flash reaches 17 times the speed of light. Now, for Dragonball Characters, we don't really KNOW how fast they actually are, only that they ARE fast. Even back in Dragon Ball, the original series, Goku managed to steal Roshi's sunglasses to not be affected by Tien's Solar Flare, which is a light-attack, therefore should work at lightspeed. This would imply he already could be faster than light for a short time. Or thinking about the feat of Roshi catching dozen/hundreds of bullets shot at him, without missing a single one. - Sure, bullets are not traveling at lightspeed, but being able to catch them shot in succession by multiple guns with ease, gives him at least the ability to fight really fast, not necessarily travel at that speed. And their speed only gets faster in DBZ and way faster in DBS. Also, it's a bit of a joke you're taking google-translated posts as your source.... I mean, it literally translated dragon balls into dragon rolls. Who knows what else was translated wrong? And yes, Toriyama is forgetting tons of stuff. And in terms of DBZ/GT/Super being "canon" or not, is a whole different debate. If you consider only the Manga to be canon, you might be right, if you're talking about anime canon, I think you're terribly wrong. While Toriyama wanted to end the story with DBZ (which is the reason why he gave it the title Z, as it's the last letter in the alphabet) - DBZ was still a work of Toriyama, as most of the DBZ Material came from his Manga, which he was still working on, while Toei also added additional stuff. So, what's with GT and Super? GT is, according to Toriyama "a grand side story of the original dragon ball", a side-story is not necessarily canon or non-canon, in the case of GT, thanks to DB-Super, we can say it's probably an alternate timeline like Future Trunks' Timeline, but different. Either Way, Toriyama even designed the main cast and spaceships, and oversaw the production of the series. As for DB Super, it's way more clear, since Toriyama is credited as original creator and responsible for the story and character design concepts. And, speaking canon, let's not forget, Sonic's comic, which was shown in the video at ~13:00 isn't even written by Sonic's creators, so, does this make it canon or not? Sonic had multiple authors, just like DC and Marvel Characters. You can't say Dragonball's Source X/Y is not canon, but then saying everything written von Sonic is Canon. Just like when people look at Super Mario games claiming he's faster than light, and super strong because he did this in that game. Even thou those feats are only true in said game and in non other before or after. But the end, the end of this video is the best. Talking, what, 10,5 minutes about how Dragon Ball licences material doesn't know what they're talking about, and then ~4 Minutes of that one comic give Sonic special powers, so that's Sonic wins easily. To be fair, I fail to understand what "5-, 6-, or even more -dimensional means, especially in terms of powerlevel and fighting abilities. As far as I know, dimensional is a form of character depth, and got nothing to do about power.
Everything g here gets invalidated as I show a sca. Off sonic moving in stopped time and were you are getting the notion that sonic can't maintain the speed of light is beyond me🤦🏾♂️
@@Monarch_Scalez took u 9 day to reply? Also archie sonic is stronger than games sonic who tell u games sonic is stronger than archie sonic lmao are u even know how to scale if not delete ur channel now
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj yes they are as the definition for the kanji states they are beyond higher dimensions, mortal world has transcendental dimensions like the afterlife.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj Mortal world is infinite and contains multiple universal realms which have their own separate space times so 4D. And the afterlife scan uses the term "transcendental" meaning it's a higher dimension and non-corporeal. Also there are other scans from rpgs and guides saying it transcends the dimensions of the mortal world metaphysically and the astral world including this so-called hell world, transcends the concept that is time and space.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj Mortal world is 5D due to hyperspaces which are 4D and superdimensions existing also i already explained how the afterlife is both a spiritual realm and a higher dimension. Yes it lacks the concept of time but there are also other guides saying it transcends the concept of space and time.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjThe Otherworld is a transcendental realm, but this doesn’t automatically or only refer to a spiritual sense, and the thing is because the translation also says that the Otherworld transcends dimensions that cannot be perceived from the human world. This means that there’s different interpretations besides just transcendental in this specific context meaning spiritual or non physical. This is not even including the fact that both the words transcendental and transcendent stem from the Latin word “transcendere”, which means to go beyond or across. The same exact definition as, you guessed it, transcend. So yeah, that point becomes null when faced when conflicting evidence that immediately disproves of your argument.
Also to specify my next video isnt coming out next year, that was a joke.😭😭
Gotta hard disagree about saying Archie Sonic is weaker than game Sonic, although game Sonic does have some better matchups due to the nature of their powers, Archie is generally stronger.
Game sonic after frontiers decimated ultra sonic and one shots him
No game is stronger.
Game is stronger we can debate
Yeah, Archie sonic, stronger
I honestly have Sonic sooo high its so hard to believe.
Yet Goku scales nowhere near it 💀
The owner of sonic admits Archie sonic loses to Goku.
How are you gonna prove the owner wrong about his own character? ☠️
@@afrinsyed1586 ain't no way the Creator of sonic said that shit and also in the cosomology of the sonic verse there is said that every atom in the sonic contains an Infinite amount of universes and every Universe contains an infinite amount of galaxies and dimensions
@@afrinsyed1586and what if gokus owner says he dosent that dosent prove shit gang 🙏😭 also source
@@Uhidk567 I got a brain, Archie Hyper Sonic solos.
Why are db fans saying Koyama is back and Toriyama told him that he is reliable?
There lying 😭
@@Monarch_Scalez fs 😂
@@que_teimporta0216they are literally just coping
So how the toxic fan doing?
Like love and support from VN by the way
the person has not responded
@@Monarch_Scalez typical toxic dragonball fan
I cannot comprehend why Koyama is still treated as some Voice of God when he is unemployed and does not work at Toei anymore.
Okay, Otherworld is stated to be metaphysical, metaphysics related to transcending the laws of nature (Also Space, time, causality ect.) Otherworld being Metaphysical is already enough to get it to Outer.
From what source?💀
@@lilrucky2766 One of the guidebooks licensed by Funimation
Metaphyiscal requires context to be outer.
@@MuhammadAhmad-ph5ro Like?
@@Derivitave metaphysical can also mean spirtual.
The narrator be capping too 😂 Whis would've been concerned if Goku was going to destroy the universe, since he was concern when Beerus and Champa did it
Please play sonic frontiers and the games
@@BaseArchieEspio for what?
@@que_teimporta0216 to scale it correctly
@@BaseArchieEspio I'm not talking about Sonic tho?
@@que_teimporta0216 oh mb. But Goku was already universal so no point to it.
W
Goku solos the verse
🤷♂ when you can prove that ill be there
@@Monarch_ScalezArchie sonic got debunked to low complex muti and dbs goku is outerveral or higher
@@gregkareem9824 once again if you wanna prove dbs has that scaling discord.gg/45Bbd8e2Fz my discord is open
@gregkareem9824 sonic is easily Hyperversal-Outerversal.
Goku is universal-low outerversal at best
@@gregkareem9824Goku before debunk is at best universal
Archie sonic is undeniably the strongest version of sonic and it's close if it's base archie vs ultra instinct goku
may i ask when it was stated enerjak absorbed power from the chaos force?
Just because the hyperbolic time chamber was stated to be a different dimension that dosent debunk the statement of the other world transcending dimensions
As the scan you provided was a misstranslation and the actual scan says the other world transcends the dimensionality of the other world, not just dimensions
2.lacking the concept of time and space wouldn't be outer immediately bit if you combine that with the proper translation then it's obvious that the otherworld is above the concept of dimensionality of the verse
3. Even if the metaphysical scans are from a board game, it would still be cannon along nothing contradicts it.
I have a request if you okey with it
Aurelion Sol from league of legends
Please 🙏
My boy dragon is getting despise by multiple fandom
W Archie Is Fodder
But Game Sonic is the Goat 🍷🍷🍷🗿🗿🗿
Game Sonic Base>>>>>>gayku MUI
@ZXAdvent Im not a Goku fan i only have him as a pfp
+archie got debunked so he is fodder+
Game Sonic is Irrelevant layers Boundless 😭😭🙏🙏
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj Games didint got debunked only the archie comics 🤷🤷🤷
@ZXAdvent Yeah i know in Base Archie Sonic is 11D
Super sonic is around 20D or some shit
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj Sega even confirmed in the games
Solaris Was stronger than Archie sonic+
Super dimensional being
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj Super dimensions does scale ls scale somewhere and is above Dimensional
Almost close to hyper-dimensional
Solaris was going to erease everything in the sonic universe and the baseline
Is Extraversal+
😭😭😎
So Solaris Was a Infinite dimensional being
He viewed the sonic verse as Fiction wtf bro 🤷🤷🤷
You already lost me within the first 5 seconds.
Sonic isn't the fastest being (thing?) alive. First of all, the highest speed Sonic could reach was the speed of light, which he can't hold for long, and his usual high-speed is far lower than that.
DC'S Flash reaches 17 times the speed of light.
Now, for Dragonball Characters, we don't really KNOW how fast they actually are, only that they ARE fast. Even back in Dragon Ball, the original series, Goku managed to steal Roshi's sunglasses to not be affected by Tien's Solar Flare, which is a light-attack, therefore should work at lightspeed. This would imply he already could be faster than light for a short time.
Or thinking about the feat of Roshi catching dozen/hundreds of bullets shot at him, without missing a single one. - Sure, bullets are not traveling at lightspeed, but being able to catch them shot in succession by multiple guns with ease, gives him at least the ability to fight really fast, not necessarily travel at that speed.
And their speed only gets faster in DBZ and way faster in DBS.
Also, it's a bit of a joke you're taking google-translated posts as your source.... I mean, it literally translated dragon balls into dragon rolls. Who knows what else was translated wrong?
And yes, Toriyama is forgetting tons of stuff. And in terms of DBZ/GT/Super being "canon" or not, is a whole different debate.
If you consider only the Manga to be canon, you might be right, if you're talking about anime canon, I think you're terribly wrong.
While Toriyama wanted to end the story with DBZ (which is the reason why he gave it the title Z, as it's the last letter in the alphabet) - DBZ was still a work of Toriyama, as most of the DBZ Material came from his Manga, which he was still working on, while Toei also added additional stuff.
So, what's with GT and Super? GT is, according to Toriyama "a grand side story of the original dragon ball", a side-story is not necessarily canon or non-canon, in the case of GT, thanks to DB-Super, we can say it's probably an alternate timeline like Future Trunks' Timeline, but different. Either Way, Toriyama even designed the main cast and spaceships, and oversaw the production of the series.
As for DB Super, it's way more clear, since Toriyama is credited as original creator and responsible for the story and character design concepts.
And, speaking canon, let's not forget, Sonic's comic, which was shown in the video at ~13:00 isn't even written by Sonic's creators, so, does this make it canon or not? Sonic had multiple authors, just like DC and Marvel Characters. You can't say Dragonball's Source X/Y is not canon, but then saying everything written von Sonic is Canon.
Just like when people look at Super Mario games claiming he's faster than light, and super strong because he did this in that game. Even thou those feats are only true in said game and in non other before or after.
But the end, the end of this video is the best.
Talking, what, 10,5 minutes about how Dragon Ball licences material doesn't know what they're talking about, and then ~4 Minutes of that one comic give Sonic special powers, so that's Sonic wins easily.
To be fair, I fail to understand what "5-, 6-, or even more -dimensional means, especially in terms of powerlevel and fighting abilities. As far as I know, dimensional is a form of character depth, and got nothing to do about power.
Everything g here gets invalidated as I show a sca. Off sonic moving in stopped time and were you are getting the notion that sonic can't maintain the speed of light is beyond me🤦🏾♂️
@@Monarch_ScalezThere are thing called version
@@amielies81 what?
@@Monarch_Scalez took u 9 day to reply?
Also archie sonic is stronger than games sonic who tell u games sonic is stronger than archie sonic lmao are u even know how to scale if not delete ur channel now
Man, ignoring spacetime has no value even a useful application of character strength 12A ballshit
what are you referring to?
L goku is Infinite 1s Transcendent
proof?
W troll.
Too bad there a debunked video has goku brats Archie sonic and it's not even close.
Both 5D.
Ok goku scales beyond 5D as the mortal world has super dimensions which would make it 5D, not even including the afterlife.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj yes they are as the definition for the kanji states they are beyond higher dimensions, mortal world has transcendental dimensions like the afterlife.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj Mortal world is infinite and contains multiple universal realms which have their own separate space times so 4D.
And the afterlife scan uses the term "transcendental" meaning it's a higher dimension and non-corporeal. Also there are other scans from rpgs and guides saying it transcends the dimensions of the mortal world metaphysically and the astral world including this so-called hell world, transcends the concept that is time and space.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj Mortal world is 5D due to hyperspaces which are 4D and superdimensions existing also i already explained how the afterlife is both a spiritual realm and a higher dimension.
Yes it lacks the concept of time but there are also other guides saying it transcends the concept of space and time.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjtranslation: “um, nuh uh”
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjThe Otherworld is a transcendental realm, but this doesn’t automatically or only refer to a spiritual sense, and the thing is because the translation also says that the Otherworld transcends dimensions that cannot be perceived from the human world. This means that there’s different interpretations besides just transcendental in this specific context meaning spiritual or non physical. This is not even including the fact that both the words transcendental and transcendent stem from the Latin word “transcendere”, which means to go beyond or across. The same exact definition as, you guessed it, transcend. So yeah, that point becomes null when faced when conflicting evidence that immediately disproves of your argument.