CHEAP or EXPENSIVE Airbrush: What should a NOOB use?!
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Every dwarf ever: “My fingers are detecting the exact alloy this is made of.”
*snickers*
AYE WHO THE 'ELL MAKIN' AXES OUT OF *NICKEL!*
It's probably worth noting that I had a time limit of 30 minutes per bust, I scoffed, and made it 40 minutes. And that didn't include the finishing brush work I couldn't help myself from doing on the last one.
loved the video can't wait for the completed armies
In preparation for going at your Knights i would highly recommend checking out The Wargamers Consortiums vid on pre/post shading shown on a rhino, i used the method on all the tanks, drop pods and dreads in my Crimson Fists army, super fast and with some brush detailing and an oil wash it gives great results!
Ive been using an airbrush in the cheap range with something that looks exactly like the mid tier compressor for years and its been great, just being able to prime with zenithal highlight without touching rattle cans, no worries about warm, cold or humidid weather and being able to lay down basecoat in minutes per model was a game changer when it came to my painting.
Also amazing for quickly painting up terrain is invaluable.
Great vid :)
Your airbrush skills are better then mine and i've been using mine for nearly 2 years. Where did you get that bust from? I want one.
Dave, your facial expressions really make this video extra amazing. Thank you! 😊😁
Dave with how much paint you sloshed out of the cup and on to the table I have two tips to give you.
1) Learn to rock the trigger back and forth so that you are doing lots of little short bursts. This way is so that you do not have to be waving your hand/arm about as much and causing the paint to slosh around in the cup as much and hence lessening the chance of slipping.
2) Use less paint in the cup. Again this helps with lessening the chance of paint sloshing out of the cup due to hand/arm movement.
Short controlled bursts are a key thing for airbrushing. Speckling really should never happen with and airbrush, which you can get from spray paint cans when starting to press or release the spray nozzle on them and is why we do the sweeping motion with them. Different tools means that we may have to learn different rules for using them.
Also do yourself a favor and watch an read up on how to properly use an airbrush, unlike Jazza whose stick is doing everything blindly. Having a basic understanding of tools and materials beforehand is so helpful in allowing us to getting a far better result sooner with new tools.
The needle protector on the Harder and Steenbeck should be removed when in use.
The two prong needle cap is the one you should be using.
You seem to be getting a lot of air bubbles in the paint cup that’s probably due the either the needle not being seated correctly in the needle cap or the tip of the airbrush hasn’t been tightened enough.
Also what needle are you using?
With a finer needle the paint dilution needs be thinner.
I was secretly waiting for all these comments to come through so I could learn exactly what to do for next time XD
@@narratordave7831 I have the H&S Infinity CR+. It likes thin paints and higher pressures with the fine needle, but can still be very detailed. The pinch tip needle guard is a must and the fine pressure control (FPC) valve is useful if your compressor is on the floor (like mine). The quick release paint limiter becomes invaluable once you get used to it - mine is in constant use. For compressors, I recommend a "silent" one with a decent sized reservoir like the Bambi BB8/BB15 if you are going to do much airbrushing.
@@dpdurlston-powell3851 On ultra fine needles I stick to using acrylic inks. Even Air brush paint is laughably too thick and needs to be thinned down so much I'd rather start with the higher pigmented inks.
Most of the problems you encountered with the cheap setup comes down to the compressor. A good compressor cam make your airbrush experiance way better. 2 things to look out for in a compressor are 1: a preasure tank 2: a moisture trap . The tank will eleminate the pulsing of the compressors motor, that might be transfered to the air flow itself and the moisture trap helps filtering out the water in the air, that can build up to tiny dropplets over time in your hose and spit it out through the air canal of the airbrush rhuining your work. Another thing is, to prevent the clogging of paints you should polish the needle with a soft foam nail polish pad and use flow improover or dry retarder in the paint.
Yeah the moisture trap has a little valve on the buttom. The "broken" compressor has it stuck in the up position. They should pull it down, wait for a littlebit of pressure to build up and it would be fixed.
"Have you got the manual for it?" It's like Dave doesn't know you at all!
that "broken" compressor can be fixed by pulling down on the little nible thingi under the glas. That's a humidity chamber and sometimes the get stuck in the up position whenever the presure has been gone.
Or, if it really was broken beyond repair, a new regulator, with pressure gauge and moisture trap, costs $20!
Now the real question is how many of the problems that Dave had with the expensive airbrush were due to Jazza taking it apart and putting it back together?🤔
That is likely why it was bubbling in the cup.
Not gonna lie, i love these videos where they're just f***ing around
It would be interesting to combine the cheap airbrush with the expensive compressor and visa-versa to see which of both is most important to buy in high quality.
I have a 'cheap compressor' that looks very similar to the 'broken' one, works great with my mid-range H&S brush.
Jazza's Sense of humour and personality makes everything awesome and fun. I recently found out he had the same birthday as me and my mum told me no wonder he's exactly like you. I lovee art and Jazza Is the one who inspired me a lot
Its so important to have the paint thinned proper for the needle size and also having the right pressure setting. I'm new to airbrushing and having those things right makes or breaks your experience.
Dave: u have the manual for this?
Jazza: *laughs in kinesthetic learner*
*Edit: Thanks for liking this comment, your stuff is always really funny and helpful, massive fan
You realize that the like goes away when you edit the comment…
To everybody watching this video, there is an important thing to remember. As with all skills, the best tools are only as good as your skill level. High-level tools require your skill level to coincide with it. Don't expect to buy an expensive highly recommended tool and think you're going to create masterpieces. You need to put the effort and time into honing your skill first. That's why you should always start with affordable tools at your level of skill. This goes with almost every hobby/skill. Don't waste your money.
Thats why my end of the day recommendation went to the mid tier airbrush - I felt that going straight to a complex high end tool was asking for trouble, but if you could afford the middle brush VS the beginner, it was worth the jump up (dont know if this actually made it into the video, but i said it!)
For new painters, I will always recommend an iwata neo and a generic compressor (the broken one) with an air tank. Can be found on eBay for around $100aud (often sold rebranded in stores for several hundred but are the same model), and the iwata neo can be found for also around the $100 mark, or much cheaper buying one used and just replacing nozzle and needle if needed.
A .35 nozzle is a good size for doing base coats and still allows for some precision, especially on things like tank models where Camo patterns don't need to be too precise. I still use mine and haven't yet felt the need to upgrade, when I do it'll probably be to a finer needle badger
Dave has changed Jazza so much in just one video. He got Jazza to read the instruction manual!! Omg
The "epic" music parts were so loud I had to turn down the volume everytime and up for the voices. Can you keep the volume around the same?
A good compressor with a tank is far more important than the brush. Yes, there are differences in brushes but you can go a long way with low and mid tier, especially with a selection of needle sizes.
Amazing job on the sculpts. Must be so hard getting used to a new tool like that. And ending up with that last bust there is just fantastic. And thanks Jazza, for helping us see the difference of the various tiers.
9:59 that face tells more stories than there are roleplays in this channel
It also needs to be noted that there are single and dual action airbrushes, and you can have the two in all types of price ranges.
F for the Aussie lads spending their night editing this video
Thank you for showing you both can get in over your head and struggle like the rest of us. Great learning and teaching video for what’s important to know ahead of time and not be afraid to fail.
Good video showcasing several levels of airbrushes!
I often give new folks advice with airbrushes to avoid the cheaper ones if possible. Jazza's comment about the cheaper metal is spot on and I've legit had one of the cheaper ones explode apart under air pressure from the compressor before. The seals aren't super strong and the needles tend to bend easier. I've seen a lot of folks try to get into airbrushing and then run into component issues like that and then just never pick up an airbrush again. Just something I try to make the people I teach aware of. The mid tier, as Dave pointed out, can be a bit finicky depending on what you're doing, but overall tend to be where I tell people to start. I have a local shop that sells used mid tier airbrushes, but I feel it gives you the best "here's how you do all the admin of an airbrush" without the fear of massive component failure. The last bit of advice I usually give folks as well is to remember that the airbrush is just a tool to learn how to use / master and is not a magic fix all. It has some real good strengths and some draw backs, and as Jazza pointed out with content he watched, it's not uncommon to have a set on the table to hot swap between for specific tasks. I have a rotation of 4 with different needle sizes and purposes, just like different sized paintbrushes.
Keep up the good content lads.
I have some 5 years working with an airbrush, got an Infinity CR+ last October, upgrading from an Iwata Eclipse and I for sure had trouble transitioning to the 1.5mm needle. BUT as I got used to the tool, my work vastly improved, for sure worth the time and effort!
Great video lads
"I feel I'm more connected to the airbrush" -- Super glue makes that really easy. It's just the disconnecting from the airbrush afterwards that's hard.
I recommend acetone.
Dave face at 10:00 was amazing 😂
Airbrush arrived monday, got all the extras today, and start spraying paint in 30 minutes. 6 weeks of painting terrain w/ brush was enough to push me over the edge.
Thanks for the video it was really helpful! I getting into painting miniatures for the first time after a year of pixel art. And going to start with an airbrush as I feel it's going to help get me in as you can paint more effincently(Time to paint on model) than a brush. I got the Cult of Paint Infinity a mid-tier brush that looks a lot like your high-tier example... including the dial on the end. Which is a detail dial to control the fineness of the brush... I think that was your problem.
Angel Giraldez has a really good method for attaining perfect consistency, mix in a spare mini blister (I use one of the old GW sand containers) then pour into the airbrush cup once you have the consistency right.
I use a shot glass set that i got at a goodwill..... dump the dirty shot glasses into the sink after.
not only did you get a new person interested in painting minis (myself) who has previously never ever even given it a single thought, you brought more attention to the community of mini painting over all. Good job my dude.
Thank you!!! I’ve been hoping you’d make this exact video (I broke 2 “centra pneumatic” brand air brushes already)
The Infinity is the hardest brush to learn with I've ever used. The Iwata, the Badger and other mid tier brushes are so much more forgiving. I find I need to thin paints down to an almost water constancy to use the Infinity or it will bubble/ not spray. The learning curve on that brush was crazy.
Really enjoyed this video, the busts looked awesome for a first time user!
What sized needle were you trying to use?! I have one with a 0.4mm and a 0.2mm and especially with the 0.4mm I had no trouble at all for basic tasks from the very beginning years ago.
jazza's reaction to the sexy airbrush reveal is sooo relatable. 😅
The amount of times that parts of the airbrushes got thrown and dropped is honestly impressive.
I relate to flinging the paints out of the cups, and on your hands WAY too much.
Iwata Eclipse HP-CS is an amazing brush to use. Some of the more expensive airbrushes are amazing for very specific applications but most people won't need those.
You just need to learn thinning and pressure control and you won't end up with jaundice 😁
There are some Harder and Steinbecks that would be great for more general applications as well, but still super expensive and not worth the price jump for beginners.
At 10.24 mark, Dave laughs at Jazza when he says he is more connected to the paintbrush. I know exactly what you mean, shame on you Dave for laughing! 😜
I've only been using an airbrush for about 2 years roughly so I'm no expert, but I've found they work best with inks, or give GW contrast paints a go.
Go for about 20 - 2t psi on the compressor
Working with an airbrush is all about practice, and keeping going. Best thing to do is have a bunch of practice models to work on in order to learn the process.
I am one of those people that will tell you to not use a needle cover, but to clean the needle tip with a brush a few passes to remove the dry paint. The reason for this is that the needle cover causes it to spray in a wider cone, where as not using it helps keep the paint more focused.
Also, I'd point out the difference between 1 and 2 action airbrushes, as there is a lot of difference with them and how they work.
I have a basic 32 PSI airbrush, might brush off the dust and try using it.
The turnnob on the infinety is to control the amount of paint, it stopps you pulling the trigger back. And its much more finekey to use the 0.15mm needle because the paint needs to be super thinn
I got an airbrush and I can wait to paint more minis . Could you do more sculpting your own figures and painting it. I think that could be great
That first bust of a guy is literally from Ark Survival😂. Great videos, keep it up
Can confirm going high end to begin isn't the best idea lol I started with a badger krome with a .2mm needle and it was a hard time learning proper use and control.
A little off topic, but Jazza, have you considered making a book nook? It seems like something you'd like what with all the minis and diorama-like looks... just food for thought. Great info in this video, I've been thinking of getting an airbrush but didn't know where to start. Thanks for this! 😁
The Infinity CR+ is by far my most favorite airbrush. The newer needles (version 2) are variable... Meaning if you use the .4 needle you can spray insanely thin lines (finer than a Vex / sotar 2020) and then very broad lines utilizing the .4 only with trigger control and finger finesse. Because of this I usually use the .4 needle.
It's also worth noting that the air valve in the Infinity CR+ is also variable. Meaning you can control the air flow with the pressure you apply with your finger down on the trigger. You cannot do this with other manufacturers such as the Vex (Badger) where their air valves are on/off only.
The more familiar you become with the Infinity the more you'll come to appreciate it and use it more.
Someone already commented on the tip guard being installed while in use... That was kind of sad to see on this video when giving a review.
I swear, half of jazza's videos are the epitome of "fuck around and find out"
Jazza definitely needs a catch tray when he's fiddling with his new toys!
Interesting video though... Making notes for when I make my next airbrush purchase...
dude for a beginner OH MY GOOODD!!!
ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS!!!!!!
I started with that same exact cheap 20 dollar airbrush and later bought the Infinity plus, here are my findings: The cheap ones are complete hit or miss because of lack of quality control. They are horrible to learn airbrushing with because it is very hard to figure out if the problem is your mixing, your control or simply the airbrush itself. The infinity is difficult to master but I love it now. It's biggest pro is how easy it is to clean.
I feel like you should have tried an iwata neo, as it's probably one of the best airbrushes for its price and is often regarded as one of the best air brushes for general purpose beginners.
Also paired with a generic compressor like the second one (broken one) but with an air tank and an inline water trap. This is pretty indicative of a decent system without spending too much, and is what a lot of people start with when they know they want to keep at it but can't justify buying expensive mod or high tier systems.
Also, a lot of the issues on the better airbrushes were simply user error, you have more control, but as a result it will be less forgiving, you need to balance your air pressure and thinness of paint. He admitted this, so it is fairly stated in the video, but I feel like it is still favouring the cheap system which may be easier for a brand new beginner (no pressure control, wider nozzle is more forgiving for paint mix etc) and honestly, it doesn't take long to get the hang of the basics once you use a gun for a few hours, and I think most will agree that the better guns and compressors will be much more worthwhile than the cheap knockoff brands and small nail tech compressors.
I very much enjoy your content. And as an artist this video was very interesting!
I love my H&S Infinity airbrush. I prefer to use the Liquitex Acrylic Inks in it, but have run a fair bit of tinted down Army Painter paints through it. Jazza should give Dave the Infinity airbrush.
I have 2 airbrushes, that I have not touched in over a year, but the compressor from the second kit looks like the middle one. So if it is not meant for Airbrushes it is still being sold for air brushes the world over. Actually that reminds me that compressor is sold without a regulator I really should get around to acquiring one.
You know it occurs to me that I have an even bigger but still "desk sized" compressor in the garage, I should put my cheap airbrush on that and see if that gives me a nice prime as it has a regulator on it.
I have all 3 just in case, but I've only airbrushed a couple hours. Bought all the stuff for an airbrush hobby too, like stencils and micro stencils. Wish I didn't have to work...
I do not remove the needle through pulling it out of the back of the airbrush, residual paint might get stuck in the middle part while pulling the needle out. i prefer removing the entire middle part and pulling the needle out from the front of the needle chucking guide.
I use the bottom tier airbrush with the mid tier airbrush, having used the bottom tier both... compressor completely changes the way the airbrush handles. Setup is perfect for me!
My recommendation for a first airbrush would be the badger khrome as it has both a fine needle and a less fine needle and isn't too expensive.
Jazza's custom Tape-L Top Time shirt at the start was badass
I’ve got the reaper vex and love it.
As always, gentlemen, an excellent video. You drag me further into the hobby each day. Lol. I have two main questions for you guys. First, I am really just looking to airbrush for basecoat/gradient on two redemptors, two repulsors, and two gladiators. I know I don't "need" an airbrush. But if I got one for this purpose, will a budget one suit my needs?
Second question, will any compressor with standard fittings work for an airbrush, provided it can maintain the proper pressure? I've got a giant tank w/compressor that would be a hell of a time to lug around, but if it saves me a couple hundred bucks I'm happy to do it at least for a while. Bonus question, can you apply a wash with an airbrush? Second bonus question, would the cheap airbrush work better with a normal compressor/tank combo? Thanks so much guys. You have really opened my eyes to a new medium for creative expression. And my wallet is hurting, but my heart is glowing. Thank you.
As long as you can turn down your large compressor to 20-30 psi you can use it. You will want a filter/water trap as well as larger compressors tend to get water in the line that you dont want in your brush. I started using a cheapy compressor but the noise inside my house was insane when it filled. I just got a better compressor but it is still a regular one just loe decibell and it works great with my airbrush. I just use an Inexpensive brush but with a good compressor you can do a lot.
I've been using one of those cheap knockoff thingies for 3 years now. Still running and producing okayish results when laying down basecoats, value sketches or simple gradients but not suited for fine details. Nevertheless, I'm still glad I picked a cheap airbrush first. I learned a lot about handling an airbrush (maintenance, air pressure, colour consistency, techniques....) and really think I got away with some abuse that would have killed a more delicate tool...
Dammit Jazza! Send me that expensive airbrush before you break it!
It was so painful watching him fumble with the knobs. I was so afraid he was gonna break it. That thing is too sexy to be broken!
if you are getting the "spiderwebbing" blowout turn down your air pressure a bit. Different paints may require different pressure, even in the same paint range
love those practice sheets awesome need some for upgrading my skill with that sucker any tips for dealing with ozzy summer (hot as hell and dry as a dead dingo)
Kinesthetic learner worrying the other by just taking it apart, lol. Great to see an airbrush journey, scared to get one myself because so fidley
@NarratorDave I have to say you did an amazing job with the H&S... especially considering you had the protective cap on. I was screaming at my screen but i guess you couldn't hear me. That was the culprit of all the sputtering as the paint would have collected on the opening. It would be nice to see you try again with the proper tip.
I have the infinity and I love it. Try not to drop it without the protective cap. I damaged 2 needles and 1 tip. They are not forgiving at all
I am armed with a lot more information than my initial 10 minute pep talk thanks to you and everyone else in the comments. I look forward to going at an airbrush dave style when I can get around to buying one - Dave style involves video tutorials, manuals, and many many hours of practice :)
My favorite is the infinity - of course cult of paint edition!!- so in love with it that I'm actually scared of using it hahah i bought it in October and used it like 3 times.... shame ahahah i need help
I would rather have a nice compressor and a cheap airbrush than vice versa. A good compressor can sometimes make up for cheaper air brush, but an expensive brush can be crippled by a poor compressor. But fun video :)
I know it probably won't happen but a Jazza Friendly Jordies collab would be awesome.
Soo you mean a 0.4 in the infinity is detail? Slap the 0.15 in the infinity and be amazed! I have my 0.4 needle in my Evo for general use! And right now it's a 0.2 in the infinity... Hehe
The bubbling should be sorted with tightening the nozzle (and or some bee's vax on the treads) the spattering feels like a bit chunky paint. With the H&S 0.4 and smaller I tend to thin quite much.
And for the air compressors to Dave I would say buy one with a 3L tank for about 100-150£\€ and you got a compressor for life (I personally prefer a twin/dual piston one, they have a more pleasant sound and don't work as hard to reach the same psi as a single one)
That more expensive airbrush looks like a portable snowblower!
It’s not just that Dave is a newbie to the Air brush. It’s the same with watercolor that if you are working with materials that is too cheaply made where you either not enough control with the tool due to how it’s made, surface is too problematic (In those case not the case for the surface as you picked higher quality minis), chalky paints (also not the problem here as the paints of higher quality).... it will frustrate the new person to the process and probably push them away from the process. Luckily Dave had Jazza’s who *did* use airbrush before that he could explain what could be possiable to do if need be.
The amount Dave shook the airbrush without the lid on gave me so much anxiety!!!!! ☠️☠️ Great job though you did really great!💜
The infinity is really the best !
Good luck with the mini Patreon I will be watching from the cheep seats, I am sure I am not alone in being just one of the many suffering from flat wallet syndrome. I am glad this is working out for you and I hope some of the spillover will show up on the free TH-cam video stage. Good Luck with the Airbrush Dave, it just takes practice, you have heard that before eh?
Asking as someone with literally zero experience with air brushes and vary little experience with painting minis and figure etc:
I doubt it matters for beginners, but at higher skill levels does air quality become a factor one might look out for? I’m assuming these air pumps pull from the immediate area, but if you live in areas with particularly poor air quality would you want to have a separate tank for the air you plan to use?
the infinity cr+ even in 2in1 costs around 250€ i never saw it for 900$ but it's still a great brush
It's worth noting that it's *very* easy to damage your airbrush if you are a hamfiste.. ehem.. "kinesthetic learner" just read the manual and familiarize your self with the tool before you destroy it :)
Also always test your paint dilution on paper before spraying your model, if it doesn't come out with fine even coverage your've got it wrong but not destroyed your paint job ;)
And at 30 minutes each too! Soooo good. 😲
Great stuff friends 👏 👍
tbf those mid tier and cheap tier are quite weirdly priced imo. the cheap tier compressor is just;...gods no... don't do that to yourself, don't get one of those small boxy things.
my starting kit was like, 100ish euro and i had that same type of mid tier compressor and a generic gravity fed dual action airbrush. (a timbertech set i got from amazon methinks) and it's still the set i use today, it's just a good set at beginner/intermediate level set to get used to airbrushing imo. not too expensive, yet decent enough to do good quality airbrushing.
only issue I've had with my set is that you do need to take regular breaks if you wanna airbrush for a few hours, the compressor isn't really made for running a long time and can overheat (i also airbrush cosplay props and miniature terrain, so mass producing miniature walls or doing big props etc can take a while)
but that's not that big an issue imo, it's a good starter set till you find out whether you want to go spend the big bucks on airbrushes.
if i want to improve my setup, i'd look for a compressor with a decent size tank so it smooths out that first sputter and is more consistent, and make sure it has a decent moisture filter thingy, cause that thing is a life saver :P but for the airbrush, i'm not that sure that there's a lot of difference between a good quality mid-range airbrush and one of the high end expensive ones maybe other peeps have more experience with that ^^
Did the first compressor have a PSI control? Couldn't tell in the video, and it seems that a lot of problems Jave was having may hae come from too high PSI.
I clicked when I recognized my cheap ass airbrush lol
I thought they all looked better than I could produce !!! ... I'm gonna have to pull the dust cover off my el cheapo airbrush and see if a better one will help even more!!!
Just tried airbrushing today for the first time to prime minis. Coincidence? I think not!
How much is in the airbrush and how much in the compressor? Would it be possible to try the cheap brush with the good compressor, and the good airbrush with the cheap compressor to see how those combinations perform. For someone new to airbrushing is it best to get an overall medium setup, or go all out on either airbrush or compressor and cheap out on the other?
This video: man tries advanced airbrush techniques on day one with agent provocateur teacher. Good show.
Another great video guys. Anyone else wondering the $ value of Jazza's studio floor 🤔 soooo many dropped bits!
Always have a tray under you when taking apart an airbrush
I accutaly have an airbrush that I have been scared to use I might try it out soon ( when I have time)
The skin color ofthe second bust may not be looking like intended, but it would work marvellously on an Elder Scrolls high elf character :D
NOW I WANT ONE! Great vid as always.📢Foo Foo Fooooo
jazza is so exited his hands cant grip the little parts. lmao
He clearly fucking love the process of discovering by trial and error.
I have a 15 years old airbrush it cost me $50 and till this time it paints good maintenance is the best
In my entire time as gamer i used less expensive airbrushes but i mainly just under coat and base coated with mine (rattle cans ere expensive and hard to get at the time)
I would have constant blockages and lets just say i can field strip a sparmax airhox in a few seconds lol
Woah first attempt using a cheap airbrush and still a stunning result. Gg mate
I just bought that cordless airbrush, very cheap and not great quality but definitely change the game for me. Even the cheapest airbrush is better than no airbrush.
Btw, where I can find the test page? I would love to see how my air would perform in this kind of test
Oh wow, I have the same "cheap" airbrush and compressor... or at least, similar models. It's OKAY. For base layers and shit like that, but while for example I have no issues with deep colors like red, or black, or brown, or blue... painting in white is a massive pain due to clogging and yellows are also horrible.
A big part of the problem might be that you're using Army Painter paints. They're pretty inconsistent in their consistency.
Can you link the control practice sheet you are using on the video?