F-22 vs SU-57 Digital Combat Simulator Dogfight | Thunderbird Pilot Reacts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2022
- Aviation enthusiasts will love this dogfight between a F-22 Raptor and a SU-57. The two planes take to the skies to see who is the better fighter jet. This is Ryan, a Thunderbird fighter pilot reacting to Growling Sidewinders SU-57 vs F-22 Dogfight. The action is intense!
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Here is the original video from Growling Sidewinder, definitely go check out his channel! • F-22 Raptor Vs Su-57 F...
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Hey Friends! Thanks for checking out this video. Which jet would you rather be in for the 5th gen dogfight? Special thanks to Growling Sidewinder for the DCS showdown! Here's the link to his channel: th-cam.com/users/GrowlingSidewinder You can also head over to bejetclean.com and join my mailing list...Or not, the choice is yours.
I have a question, you said that the missile would go for the hottest object which is the sun, but if it's in atmosphere the temperature would only read what the air temperature is currently and the afterburner of the aircraft would read hotter being that its closer. Basically if you point a thermal camera the afterburner on the jet would be hotter than if you point it at the sun because you are not getting the full temperature of the sun when you are in atmosphere, but if you were in space, I could see you getting a thermal reading of 10,000 degree farehnheit reading, because you are not under the protection of an atmosphere.
Yes please breakdown more DCS, and try it! :)
I have question maybe stupid but if you don't mind will you answer me please🙂
Why with modern technology why they wont make reverse rocket?? You was saying in F-35 helmet's you can see and track and lock in 360° around plane so if comes to close contact and before you turn and shoot and still having opponent behind you you locko and shoot Seeing wot Technology and Toys US Army have you don't have things like that so if you can answer I would be very very grateful 😊🙂👍
@@2ndtonone1000 The sensor in the missile looks for infrared radiation sources. The sun produces a lot more infrared radiation than a jet engine with or without its afterburner lit. I'm not an expert on the aim-9x but i would imagine that the sun could oversaturate the sensor and break a lock/prevent the missile from locking on to an aircraft.
Note that in DCS the F22 mod does not currently have thrust vectoring, there a build that he was able to fly but it isn't available to the public. He does have a video showing this seperately though. Just something to take into consideration. I think you'll enjoy his 4th gen fights much more. Like the f-18 v f-16 etc etc.
Thanks for reviewing the video and your thoughts really cool to see your 2 cents on the fight. All The Best, GS.
i love your work this is the 1st i see this dude but i think you should spar this guy ........... rooting foe ya greetings from TX
congrats GS
It's great to see people reviewing your videos by pros.
Awesome video mate, subscribed.
Colab?
I'd love to see you fly with Growling Sidewinder on DCS. The F-16 flight model has recently been massively improved as of late.
It has been but the radar seems to have issues locking targets up, my previous longest fox 3 hit was shot from almost 60 miles, now I'm lucky if I can lock before 30 miles out, only few locks from 35 and nothing more than 36 miles since the newest update
Dude...the f15e is coming. it would be second nature him
@@deathsicon okay. So it’s the plane and not me 😂
Whew 😅
@@deathsicon I thought I got dumber since I last played. Thanks for clearing that up
Did someone of you flying SU 57?
So cool to see Growling Sidewinder on your channel and especially you giving comentary on DCS dogfights!
More to come! Glad you liked it!
@@MaxAfterburnerusa I always watch Growling Sidewinder and i love your channel too!
I follow both of your guys channels and it was an unexpected suprise but a very welcome one to see you doing your thing. The F-16C Viper is simulated in DCS and I would love to see you fly it! What are the differences outside of G-Forces between the two. A bit of dogfighting, make for an interesting video!
I remember this dogfight from GS. Your perspective as an experienced real-world combat pilot is very informative and enlightening. You mentioned one thing repeatedly.... "be aggressive even if its to keep the other pilot thinking." I agree 100%. Its like using feints in boxing, to make it look like you're about to throw something - but you're only doing it to keep the other fighter moving in a defensive manner." I believe GS did this video with his buddy LS (Long Shot), who also has his own channel as well. They are both very different in style. GS is more cerebral, a thinker who relies on technicals (like maneuvering and positioning to setup for a specific shot). But I feel somethings he just needs to be ready to be spontaneous and take the shot the opportunity is giving him in that split moment. Long Shot is the opposite. He is technical as well (a little less so), but he is much more of a "gunslinger", and has that aggressive mind-set. He tends to think "don't make obvious mistakes, first - and then take shots right after." Both of them are good in different ways. I recommend you watch their "2 morons" compilations - for a great laugh. Shot out to you, GS and LS. Great vid.
I think Robin Olds said something about an aggressive fighting spirit is the most important aspect to a fighter pilot
Their “Two morons” videos are some of the funniest videos ever. You take two pretty good pilots and put they together and they turn into a bowl of Jell-O.
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Although those are usually when they are inside the same aircraft. When they do tactical ops, they rule the skies.
The one thing about this fight that is interesting to note is the f-22 doesn't have thrust vectoring in dcs. The su-57 does. The f-22 vectoring looks like it's working from the outside view but it's actually not doing anything in the game. There's a video GS did showing the mod with the thrust vectoring working and it's so over powered in the game nothing would be able to dog fight it.
Lol America go brrrrrr
Air Force: The F-22's full capability is classified.
Modding community: Hold my Beer.🍺
Yep. IIRC, in that TVC F-22 video he basically bullied the Felon too
thats messed up why?
You should see Growing Sidewinder vs Long Shot doing the F/A-18F vs the SU-35 fight. I think that was the funnest to watch, what you just talked about with the pressure tone from the explosion of the AIM-9X happens in that video. He takes a fox 2 shot at the SU-35 it explodes by the nose knocking his nose cone and radar out but the heavily damaged SU-35 flown by Long Shot comes back for a Kentucky Windage Gun kill. That was some pretty BFM / ACM between those 2.
I love the downplay lately of the F22/F35. Its genius, let the enemy think they have an advantage. Oldest trick in the scroll.
@@somebody700 Russians are way ahead of the US. They've somehow figured out how to make radar absorbing coatings that come in blue! That's not really possible. Those coatings are the colour they are, because they're made of very particular materials in very specific particle sizes and arrangements. Adding paint or dye, is just gonna render them as useless as bare metal. I think the SU-57 is a lemon. Make outrageous claims, find a buy, and get rid of them. If they were any good, Russia would have more than...what? 8 of them? Someone in charge of their stealth program used the budget to buy a yacht. I'm sure it flies real nice. Russians seem stuck in the dogfighting days
Love Growling Sidewinder’s channel and saw your channel pulling this review and have to say that this was AWESOME! Please please please do more vids like this…it’s great to watch a critique from an actual pilot with RW experience. Your POV is more than just insightful, it’s entertaining on multiple levels!!!
Growling Sidewinder was the guy that got me interested in DCS. I had no idea that a military Flight sim quality online game like DCS even existed until one day I saw this video with _GROWLING SIDEWINDER_ across it in big red letters. My username used to be _SidewinderUpya6_ so I stopped and watched the video.
Man I was blown away at how far the devs in DCS went; in the full fidelity jets like the Viper and the Bug, you basically had to study up in your Dash 1 to learn the systems. Really cool stuff except for the cost of the rig you need to fly properly.
Now there seem to be more IRL fighter pilots getting involved with DCS and already I can see it is really helping the community by bringing that extra realism and skill set. Your addition is definitely gonna be a good thing so I hope you keep doing this.
I was never a fighter pilot, couldn’t make it with my eyesight in the mid 80s at OSU AFROTC. Became an enlisted egresses troop instead. But I always was a fighter jock at heart. And aggressiveness seems to me to be a requirement for a fighter pilot. Love both of your channels and I commented on GS’s videos about his lack of aggression. Also it seems to me many of those presentations on the enemy shouldve been guns, not missiles. Certainly dont wanna monday morning QB as yall are the experts. Well done! Im a fan for life!
Great video....Growling Sidewinder does great content; enjoyed seeing a real fighter pilot react to one of his videos...
I agree! thanks!
This was great ! Loved all the technical nuances explained by you , which you are obviously great at simplifying & its interesting to watch these simulations gives a sneak peek of the scenario in real time 😊
thank you so much!
@@MaxAfterburnerusa I know you were an f-15 pilot so I have a question regarding the upgrades they were thinking of doing to the f-15 a few years back. I heard they were going to incorporate internal weapons bays and stealth coating new avionics and maybe an upgraded engine package. Which way did you lean in regards to this and why do you think it was scrapped
@@justincasano1041 It was called the silent eagle. Scrapped because of F35.
I always love a new GS video. One specific thing he is extremely good at is situation awareness, and reacting to the bandit, and explaining his mistakes so you don't make the same ones. This dogfight is done with mods because there is no Su-57 or F-22 full fidelity in DCS. I really love his F-14 videos. That is a very difficult jet to master, and I have gotten a lot of good advice from his tomcat videos. Anyway, excellent debrief. Its about time you get DCS because the F-15E is coming, and it will be great to hear from an actual Eagle driver.
This is dope i'd to see more reviews of fights like this. Definitely great to get an actual Pilots perspective
Great video! Love this critique of the DCS dogfights! Really enjoy your videos and would love to see more like this! There’s a lot of fighter pilots & ex-fighter pilots in the DCS community but not very many give advice on dogfighting or tactics (UN classified of course 😉)! So this was really great! Thanks for doing this and again would love to see more!
Hey, cool to see someone especially a fighter pilot, breaking down one of GS's dogfight videos! One thing you caught on to was him saying the Su-57 was doing its 'thrust vectoring bs', but that's also because thrust vectoring does not work on the mod (F-22) he was using in this video. It's unfortunately not modeled outside of the visual movements of the outlets. There is another version of the same mod which has it functional, but the creator does not plan on releasing it. Which is unfortunate. The only way to get thrust vectoring in the F-22 to work, as it is in the Su-57 is with Ai piloting the bird. In this video, The Su-57 has thrust vectoring available to a player pilot, but the F-22 does not. The pilot in this video should be, iIrc, Longshot, another really good DCS pilot. These two fly together and against one another frequently.
So really, what you're seeing here is the Raptor using an F-15 flight model, with a slight bump in ITR (you won't need this defined, but for those who don't know - Instantaneous Turn Rate) and STR (Sustained Turn Rate) among a couple other upgrades to make it perform 'similar' to having thrust vectoring, but GS is not getting the same benefit of TV as the Su-57. So hopefully that might clear that up. The F-22 mod in DCS though has immense rudder authority, so it can pull off some very interesting maneuvers that other 4th gen fighters can only gape in awe at. All that said, loving the vid and the breakdown so far, now I'm going to finish watching this. This was a great react video to GS now that I'm done watching. Hopefully you didn't get bored AF with my long rambling commentary, lol! Earned a sub. Nothing but love for my American winged brothers. As for which jet for me, well, the F-22 is A1 since Day 1, every day.
Also; Thank you for your service. o7
You’re also so right about the altitude thing. alt->speed->turn rate->nose authority. Run that program under the second law of thermodynamics and you end up down on the deck every single time. That’s what made energy fighters so great in their day.
I’d love to see more of these reaction videos. I use his videos to learn techniques so seeing your critique adds to that.
I would like to see more GS breakdowns. One thing to note is that his dogfight videos are just that. They're within visual range, usually two fox-2s per aircraft and guns. He does have BVR fights as well, but usually dedicates videos to BVR engagements or dogfights.
Very low probability a real fighter pilot participates in or reacts to a BVR video. They'd be skating on thin ice in terms of accidentally divulging secrets.
This video is gold! Please do more of these, especially on the F-15 and F-16 since you mentioned those are the jets you flew in real life. It would be so interesting to hear your thoughts on it!
O7
It was awesome having a real pilot critique.
Loving your channel and insight into these types of things. It's becoming apparent that fighter pilots have to have high intelligence and high skill. Incredible.
Excellent! Looking forward to more DCS breakdowns.
I just watched that video last week lol! Nice breakdown Ryan! Thanks!
Well this is a welcomed surprise I never thought you would react to a growling sidewinder video, I pray more are to come your input on this is so interesting to hear!
3:30 they didnt shoot before the merge because they wanted an equal turn fight to show who would win in a dogfight. Sure, they can fire missle from miles away but that would take the idea out of the video, that would come down to who gets a lock first, who fires first, who can avoid and finally who has the better weapon system.
Nice man, I appreciate the analysis!
Great! Appreciate seeing it in your perspective.
so cool to see an experienced pilot's thoughts on dcs gameplay! great vid man, i subbed
Really liked your analysis ! Looking forward to more. Thanks !
Big follower of GS, love your Tac Brief of the dogfights, looking forward to more of your content. Well done BJC!
Awesome video. Love both Growling’s and your channel. More Please.
My second cousin flew a Grumman F-6F Hellcat off of the new Yorktown in WWII. He said the code of honor was that you didn’t shoot at an enemy pilot who successfully punched out of a doomed airplane, but then he saw too many of his buddies get shredded by Japanese fighter jocks. He said that once he had seen that sadly the policy became “shoot as many o’ those bastards that you can!!!”
In the case of the Japanese that was a sound policy. Imperial Japan's culture was so poisoned that the Japanese were notorious for not observing the rules of warfare (which indeed existed prior to the 1949 Geneva Convention but were less comprehensive).
@@The1980Philip That should be how all wars must be fought though! The only objective should be to win, so street rules war where anything goes
Please keep theses videos coming!.
Great rundown of the video. I’m a big fan of your videos and sidewinder’s.
I love GS' videos, he's a neat dude, definitely learned a bit from him. I would love to see more of these pro debriefs on ACM.
Are you a trans ?
Can’t get enough of your content, the perspective you can add is incredible!
That thrust vectoring bull shit gets me all the time :D
I was a maintenance guy for an air control squadron, and we were encouraged to listen in on GCI if a seat was available. The operator unplugged your mic, then put on a show. Pilots would start out trying to push the controller out of his headset, then turn into a salivating carnivore when he realized ours were very good. Basically, our controllers lead with patience, then made sure the first 'call' actually assisted, rather than distracted, the pilot. I really enjoyed it.
Would love to see more of these types of videos. Subbed!
Great breakdown! Thanks!!!
First of your vids I've ever stumbled upon. Subbed for more. Great breakdown and commentary!
Usually the guy that he has the most of his videos with him is a player named longshot, i’m sure longshot is probably piloting the Felon in this vid if you want to see the Raptor from the Sukoi’s pov. He is usually really good about putting The opposing pilot’s link in his description as well. In fact him and long shot actually do a really good SEAD mission in a pair of Vipers on his channel as well, really good coms, between the CAP fighter and the Wild Weasel as well. I get a kick out of watching their videos.
Definitely need to do more of these videos, this was so much fun watching you break this down for us. I smell a dog fight coming BJC vs GS 👍👍👍💪
You should review more of these dogfight simulators. Good content.
Awesome video and breakdown. I would definitely watch more of these.
Awesome, thank you!
Love this kind of videos. Make them more!
Great video. Things to keep in mind with DCS is that all the 5th gen stuff is user mods, not anywhere near the same quality standard (or data availability) as the 4th gen modules. Still very entertaining, I would also say it would be cool of you to credit the channel where you pulled the Tacview/BFM stuff from as that playlist is legendary :)
Sweet jet clean and growling sidewinder in the same video didn’t expect that at all next do his awesome video on the P-51 mustang vs. F-22
So I raced from 4-25 under sponsorship, now I watch my kids and do it for fun. But I’m having a lot of flashbacks. For those that have never raced winged sprint dirt/ stock asphalt superspeedways it’s all about energy management. So a great example. If it’s 180-200laps. You spend Lap 1-150 figuring out your cars capability Vs the competition. As the laps click down your in your mind brainstorming how you will defend against each cars strength. On high banked tracks usually my cars would lose very little RPM. It was my #1 pet peeve for my engine guy. I wanted to maintain rpm when the gs loaded/wind. If your car was equal then you had to ram a wake of air under the other guys car and hope you get him loose. They either lift or go in head first. 99% of guys lift. You don’t need the best equipment. You just gotta know how to corner a dude and capitalize off his mistakes.
That was a cool play by play. Would like to see more of these type of videos
Definitely would like to here you break down more videos like this!
I frequently get F15's flying out of Laconheath training above my village. It's very surprising how close & slow they get, I watched one pair spiral down and they almost looked like they were in slow motion. Whatever speed they're doing, they're chuffing loud!
Your enthusiasm for this simulator/game video is infectious and give all the good feels. hahaha
Thank you for your insight. I like your mindset of gunning the opponent down when there's a big target!
Two of my favorite TH-camrs in one video. Nice work to both of you on your channels!
OMG yes! More DCS please! Maybe one day we'll see you try it in a good VR setup? Your fellow pilot Mover does these and they're my absolute favorites.
Love this format!
Hey thanks!
Dude these are so cool to watch please keep these coming. Getting a fighter pilots take on this is so interesting. Thanks man. F-16 fanboy here.
Nice breakdown. Love the Raptor ever since seeing it perform at an airshow while I was stationed out at Peterson. Speaks volumes that the first 5th Gen is still not fully matched in terms of air superiority, even by our own F-35.
This is one of my favorite videos you've done!.. Could we get some more of these?
Awesome video man. I had seen that video before of GS channel, but hearing from a real pilot I learnt so lot. Thanksn
GS + BJC =
Great coverage my man! GS has some really good stuff and he did a BFM with an actual Rafael pilot a while ago. Well worth a watch.
LOL. We just watched @growlingsidewinders fight earlier today. Cool that you were reviewing this! We also watched C.W. Lemoine's review of the SU57..
Also, what do you think of the SU75 coming out.
By the way, we now know who you look like/remind us of... An American Christian Bale.
This is an older video. The F-22 aircraft in DCS World is a community mod since the game does not have this aircraft. I highly recommend reacting to a few dogfights that include aircrafts like F-16 or F-14 since those are official modules with realistic flight models. Overall it is an amazing game with a wonderful community out there.
the su 57 is also a mod, though its kinda OP, seems the mod maker is a su 57 stan
@@nicolaslabra2225 yeah that is a common issue with Russian aircrafts in video games. Even official modules in DCS come with a disclaimer. The issue is the developers can only use data that is published by Russian government to avoid legal issues, and surprise surprise! Russian government lies through their teeth on their aircraft capabilities. The exception is the export variants since those get tested and verified by other countries.
Great info! Thanks!
Thank you so much for your excellent insights!
This is good content for all is DCS players. Would love to see what you think of the F-16 among all the other awesome jets in the game.
Thanks! I’m gonna review the trailer soon. Send any other links for vids to me on IG. Once I get the set up I’ll probably fly the viper mainly. Can I get a Tbird paint job??
@@MaxAfterburnerusa furthermore .... ward caroll a former f14 rio just put his gaming rig together perhaps if you reach out he could be of some assistance. Probably can get away with a cheaper setup than him though, I use a $150 t16000m hotas and it works just fine for me
@@MaxAfterburnerusa there is a mod which adds Thunderbirds livery 😉
@@MaxAfterburnerusa On his page he has hundreds of videos of all kinds of match ups including 2v2's etc. Some of the bets ones are the Tomcat because it's not fly by wire (as you know) so it's pretty hard to control in high AOA dogfights against 4th gen fighters. Plus longshot (the guy who he was fighting) is usually the RIO and they are hilarious together. hahah
@@lemmingt6207 we all watch the same guys on youtube hahaha
Nice one man. You are smooth dude. As Smooth as a Gravy Sandwich. Much appreciated
Love the video sir, and appreciate you, thank you for your service.
I am definitely an F-22 fan boy 😆 was first introduced to it via the PC game F-22 Lightning 3, and I played that for a few years I think.. was decent.. not the best by day.. had loads to improve.. was a load of fun though..I was even in a squadron.. great times..Def my fav aircraft to operate even though I don't believe it, or any game Sim, can duplicate it's abilities to give you the proper air dominance/maneuvers..
thank you for the explanation ...Nice work Sir..
You were actually right on the Su-57 doing the cobra manoeuvre right on the merge! The Su-57 was too slow after the cobra to really capitalise on the F-22’s mistake
As an Red Legger turned aviation I absolutely LOVE your videos... you're awesome, brother!
Was fun to watch and this is way better than the fights on the commodore 64 F-15 Strike Eagle!
Always fun to see a GS vid
I notice two things that GS does that I would like your take on:
(1) he focuses too much on fox2 when a great gun solution opportunity presents itself
(2) he waits to fire fox2, allowing the bandit to get closer or increase the aspect
Awesome channel. Just suscribed!
You should consider reacting to some of his videos of him flying 4th gen fighters. The viper in DCS had been underperforming but a few months ago they gave it an update and now it lives up to its real life reputation, so if you watch any F-16 videos of his you should watch the newer ones.The Hornet is another great module in DCS. They're also working on a strike eagle.
Animated talker!! Haha !! Great video👍
Hey mate, greeting from Down Under! Nice analysis and commentary on the BOSS fight.
I would suggest you play this video on full screen for your viewers as it looks a little" video game" in such a small format as you have posted.
Make your headshot much smaller and let the beauty of the full screen DCS shine would be my tip.
Thanks for posting!
That was awesome seeing that missle track towards the sun
I have been watching GS since the start of his channel. I think the mistakes GS makes in his flying is due to the fact that he is live commentating and being entertaining. I get the impression that 100 percent of his focus is not on the fight.
Agreed, I'm a forty year old now and grew up a gamer, and it's surprising how difficult it is to carry on a cogent narrative of conversation in a "fight" situation. Especially something as tediously complex as a fighter jet sim, not just an "intense game" but something where you've got to juggle very necessary real world applications inside the "video game-y" environment of the sim's physics.
GS has always impressed me with his amusing wit and humbleness, always seems to go out of his way to teach rather than do the "I'm the best gamer ever!" thing we get too often. Best wishes mmtot!
True. It is entertainment first.
Keep these coming. Love growling sidewinder.
Definitely should do more of these dcs vids.
This is an excellent breakdown thank you
Thanks Tim! Glad you enjoyed it
Love the react video and love DCS... and I am sure all of us want to watch YOU fly all your planes in DCS yourself! :D
There was a short video i saw on TH-cam the other day- it showed 2 Raptors sneaking right close behind 2 SU57's and the SU57's had no idea the Raptors were there. From that, i can take it the SU57's must-have detection problems.
I just accidentally found this video, glad I did. Like very much the way you talk us thru what is going on in both of the piolits minds. And...that you have really been up there, damn!
Thanks David, more on the way!
4:45 The Raptor envies the dancing Felon.
Great vid man. You should react to more of his videos. Maybe the BVR engagements? It would be interesting to hear your input.
some of his F16 fights would be cool to see
Dude you gotta jump in, I'm sure Growling Sidewinder would love to have you as a guest on his channel.
Good video. I definately recommend checking out one of growling sidewinders other videos with higher fidelity aircraft like the F-16 or so. The F-22 you see here is a free community mod so it's not the best representation of what DCS can do.
great breakdown!
Appreciate it!
I was a Aviation Ordnanceman, I know dogfights have been a thing of the past over decades, but trust me, Aim-9X Sidewinders are on every jet that goes into hostile zones. Trust the guy who knows everything about that missle. Trust it. Dogfights are a thing of the past as long as that missle is in play. Flares or Chafe does not matter.
So if you get an aim 9x on your tail, flares will do nothing ?
@@rinzler9775 This is well beyond me, but as far as I've heard if you do not "pre-flare" like seen in this video, then you have little hope of dodging the missile. I do not know why. It could be that the IR-seeker is not just a dumb seeker going for the hottest object, but able to recognize the shape of the signature too. That is speculation on my part, but pre-flaring is the way to dodge it as far as I understand. When you see how the flares fly, they should run out of flares quite fast... I guess the channel owner is uanble to answer this because it is most likely a secret anyway.
AYYY Growling Sidewinder clip, OSOM
This is the best content I've watched on TH-cam in like 3 months wtf
Great interpretation of the game..
From a united States 🇺🇸 airforce pilot
Thank you, and thank you for your service.
I'm ex British forces 20 years service....