Problem is also the calibration system, it is antiquated and rly stupid. Like a 100 ELO player starts at what, 1000 ELO? So he has to lose a ton of games to finally end up in his actual ELO, the games he is playing on his way down will almsot all be horribly unbalanced.
I always think you should start at the bottom of the ladder. Maybe face a few AI ranker battles. I dunno, but a better way to get the players to know where they are and that they are progressing when they get better.
@@loganquasar5124 If everyone starts at 0 you're not introducing new points to the pool of Elo points. When players stop playing the game or if the playerbase grows, you're going to experience Elo deflation. This is a problem because, unaddressed, 600-Elo players will have maybe an 80% win chance against 570-rated players and new players will never win a game unless they play against someone with less than 40 Elo or whatever. You could fix this by awarding fewer points to winners of a match. But then, after some time, you will have a situation where a 10-Elo player has a 90% win chance against a 9-Elo player. So you have to adjust the system again. And then you have 0,05-Elo players winning against 0,02-Elo players and so on. The only way to have players start at 0 is if the devs manually crunched the math by estimating numbers of returning/leaving players and running that up against numbers of new players to keep the active Elo pool reasonable. That's a lot of maintenance work.
@@Infinite_Jester You know it's all words and numbers that do not exist in real life and have no real meaning, so, you want to be wrong. I'm ok with that, since you're not a game designer; and you can argue since I'm not a good one or I'd have a mildly known game at least. Yet, one would never have to fix this, except maybe setting a counter pushing elo down due to inactivity. Maybe the elo could be just the player rank, but I don't think it's the best ranking system with a lot of players worldwide; There are lot of ways to do this, but it's still just a videogame; a widely known and heavy played for it's age, but a videogame.
@@Endrit719 Yeah honestly this gave me a serious pain to watch this. All these militia for virtually nothing. I was screaming at the screen for him to freaking attack. At the end he finally attacks, then resigns without a fight.
I thought it was which disappointed me a little. If blue actually attacked instead of sitting with an idle army for half the game he actually could have won
A javelin isn’t a spear. The problem with a javelin is that it’s quite oddly balanced for a melee weapon, making it extremely cumbersome when used one handed. Considering how quick and agile a wolf is I would not be surprised if one could win in a fight against a man with a javelin and a shield. The shield is probably more of a hindrance than a help in fact, since it will prevent you from wielding the javelin effectively.
I'm always impressed by the stuff these players get right, despite all the stuff that makes us pull our hair out. Blue was making villagers constantly all game, even when the eco K/D was 29/1 he was only a small number of vills behind. He got blacksmith upgrades, and prioritised armor over forging. House-walling the front of the base etc. Got all the eco upgrades. Multiple military production buildings.
@@codykrueger796 When the enemy has ranged units, absolutely. Better to deal less damage but actually *reach* the enemy than have good weapons but never even survive to get close enough to hit them. Armor upgrades are also cheaper, and your infantry have a higher chance of surviving until forging arrives afterwards. Yet you can still make a good case for picking forging first in certain circumstances; like when you have both cavalry and infantry and want them both upgraded ASAP, or if you want to do a surprise attack and deal a lot of damage quickly before the enemy can even react. Forging is also a good choice for scout rushes, since you want to pick off villagers fast *before* they can flee. Besides, speed is a scout's best defense anyway (when properly micromanaged). On the other hand, for archers the fletching upgrades are generally a better early pick than the armor upgrades. They increase range (and thus the chance to deal some damage) and will also benefit any buildings that can fire arrows.
LELs always do this where they make a absolute ton of army but then they never ever send any to the other base. It drives me insane. And the opponent is never fully walled because it's LEL which makes it even worse.
This reminds me of a very similar game you already casted! The dude won with a million men at arms against an opponent in either imperial or castle age
Not sure if you've been following this carlos player but he keeps doing these until yesterday. Carlos in a 4v4 game (with one ally instant quit) made 40+ longswordmen (yes he upgraded) and devastated the opponent next to him who thought he was safe enough with walls (and Carlos came by ships). He even trained tons of fully upgraded Coustilliers in late game and fought epic battles against enemy paladins. A great player.
Well, Red had army at home, Blue probably just hope for a defenceless base, so he just said nope there is no way I could win the fight, and thb it probably will be.
When I was young I always only had the demo version where you could only play one game and don’t go up to imp, so I didn’t even know you could go higher…
Man if Carlos had just finished that house wall instead of leaving huge gaps for some reason this would have been interesting. No matter how weird his priorities, his colossal vil lead would have given him huge res. Why settle for 50+ infantry when you could have 150+!
I actually really enjoyed this one as a serious game. These guys get so so so much right despite getting a lot of it wrong. Both of these players obviously are trying to learn the game and will probably do very well if they keep with it.
Funniest thing about this I think is that blue could have won that game at any time by A moving his horde into reds base, even in castle if he would just go around castles in the middle. Even when he resigned he had force to level enemy economy, evening the odds.
Imagining T90 at the optometrist's, chin in the big lens machine, with the optometrist flicking lenses back and forth in front of a picture of farms asking in a bored voice "One, or two?"
Regarding the "stupid" sentence about appreciating the time in feudal age more instead of rushing into castle age. That advice works actually perfectly fine in terms of real life. Bonus: in Empire Earth each match could take hours and sometimes you felt seriously "nostalgic" for a victorious engagement in the earlier ages of the game because there are so fricking many lol. Also helps to keep your swordsman around while you're dropping nuclear war on your enemy.
I was totally rooting for Carlos, why did the game ended when it was getting so good!? Also, his gamestyle reminds me of a player named "Why not?" Idk if people remember him tho. I just love LEL.
I've often wondered. Have you ever watched any TH-cam channels like Historymarche or Kings and Generals that talk about these civs and the real historical battles they had?
hey dude, just wanted to shout out that you are one of the best casters out there - really enjoying your videos and thankx for the content! dont let life bring you down and keep up the good work :)
I think playing Vikin or Malian Militia only is funny. since they get alot of good upgrades and can be deceptivly tanky VS arrows. I think the thing that makes it frustrating to watch is that we have seen better player at much lower ELO then Blue.
Listening to your commentaries on these LEL can be so interesting sometimes. I never know how these crazy plays are going to make you feel or how you'll react. What a blast!
IT'd been 12 years since i last saw the optician, my eyes had minimal change! I swear eyes only get worse when you visit every 2 years... those 7 years probably were better than you thought (or not)
i have a little cousin who i teached how to play aoe2 dark age , makkin militia , making farms , controlling units , making villagers and ect. he loved the game and wanted to play a lot i once looked what he was doing , little bro had fifty militias
Blue was producing vils the whole time while red's TC was IDLE for 7 MINUTES during his raids. The blue ended up with BIGGER supply. Blue is a better player in my eyes.
![TheViper Faces A Defensive MASTERPIECE [AoE4]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BLUpj9_E8Xs/mqdefault.jpg)
618 ELO - Militia meme strats.
628 ELO - Deadly serious gameplay.
So Mid Elo officially starts at 625 now
Problem is also the calibration system, it is antiquated and rly stupid. Like a 100 ELO player starts at what, 1000 ELO? So he has to lose a ton of games to finally end up in his actual ELO, the games he is playing on his way down will almsot all be horribly unbalanced.
I always think you should start at the bottom of the ladder. Maybe face a few AI ranker battles. I dunno, but a better way to get the players to know where they are and that they are progressing when they get better.
@@loganquasar5124 If everyone starts at 0 you're not introducing new points to the pool of Elo points. When players stop playing the game or if the playerbase grows, you're going to experience Elo deflation.
This is a problem because, unaddressed, 600-Elo players will have maybe an 80% win chance against 570-rated players and new players will never win a game unless they play against someone with less than 40 Elo or whatever.
You could fix this by awarding fewer points to winners of a match.
But then, after some time, you will have a situation where a 10-Elo player has a 90% win chance against a 9-Elo player. So you have to adjust the system again. And then you have 0,05-Elo players winning against 0,02-Elo players and so on.
The only way to have players start at 0 is if the devs manually crunched the math by estimating numbers of returning/leaving players and running that up against numbers of new players to keep the active Elo pool reasonable. That's a lot of maintenance work.
@@Infinite_Jester You know it's all words and numbers that do not exist in real life and have no real meaning, so, you want to be wrong. I'm ok with that, since you're not a game designer; and you can argue since I'm not a good one or I'd have a mildly known game at least.
Yet, one would never have to fix this, except maybe setting a counter pushing elo down due to inactivity. Maybe the elo could be just the player rank, but I don't think it's the best ranking system with a lot of players worldwide; There are lot of ways to do this, but it's still just a videogame; a widely known and heavy played for it's age, but a videogame.
T90: best tip to improve is always keep producing
Blue: got it, always keep producing Militia
Obviously!
8:25 : "the militia are pissed, they grew up with that skirmisher" XD OMG thank you so much T90
Would have been hilarious if red was the one resigning because of blue's attack
I actually thought it was red at first lol
@@sonnyglennson09 Same
would have been worth watching this shit at least
@@Endrit719 Yeah honestly this gave me a serious pain to watch this. All these militia for virtually nothing. I was screaming at the screen for him to freaking attack. At the end he finally attacks, then resigns without a fight.
I thought it was which disappointed me a little. If blue actually attacked instead of sitting with an idle army for half the game he actually could have won
Now THIS was the true LEL content we all know and love.
The 40-militia non-drush has revolutionary potential, the world just wasn't ready for it.
2:28 Imagine having a spear and a shield, and still are unable to defend yourself from a wolf...
Must... throw... speer... from... RANGE
A javelin isn’t a spear. The problem with a javelin is that it’s quite oddly balanced for a melee weapon, making it extremely cumbersome when used one handed. Considering how quick and agile a wolf is I would not be surprised if one could win in a fight against a man with a javelin and a shield. The shield is probably more of a hindrance than a help in fact, since it will prevent you from wielding the javelin effectively.
If only that Skirmisher had a long, sharp weapon to keep the wolf off his ankles.
All this while T90 was partially blind and still managed to be a flawless content creator that never makes mistakes.
I'm always impressed by the stuff these players get right, despite all the stuff that makes us pull our hair out. Blue was making villagers constantly all game, even when the eco K/D was 29/1 he was only a small number of vills behind. He got blacksmith upgrades, and prioritised armor over forging. House-walling the front of the base etc. Got all the eco upgrades. Multiple military production buildings.
it was just a matter of attack timing
Wait, is armour more important than forging?
@@codykrueger796 When the enemy has ranged units, absolutely. Better to deal less damage but actually *reach* the enemy than have good weapons but never even survive to get close enough to hit them. Armor upgrades are also cheaper, and your infantry have a higher chance of surviving until forging arrives afterwards.
Yet you can still make a good case for picking forging first in certain circumstances; like when you have both cavalry and infantry and want them both upgraded ASAP, or if you want to do a surprise attack and deal a lot of damage quickly before the enemy can even react. Forging is also a good choice for scout rushes, since you want to pick off villagers fast *before* they can flee. Besides, speed is a scout's best defense anyway (when properly micromanaged).
On the other hand, for archers the fletching upgrades are generally a better early pick than the armor upgrades. They increase range (and thus the chance to deal some damage) and will also benefit any buildings that can fire arrows.
the house walling is considered bad by pros ?
i think i know the answer 🤣
"they grew up with that skirmisher" 😂 8:21
Man, your commentary makes it even better! Thanks for the video!
Milita guy could have just rolled red once he hit feudal with that much infantry.
But attacking is scary. Fog of war is also scary
"Mom, can we have Hoang?"
"We have Hoang at home"
Hoang at home:
Q: Carlos, how many militia do you do with your standard build order?
A: Yes.
LELs always do this where they make a absolute ton of army but then they never ever send any to the other base. It drives me insane. And the opponent is never fully walled because it's LEL which makes it even worse.
When even your fiance starts roasting you... The T90 experience.
I bursted out laughing thinking red resigned from the counter attack😂😂
This reminds me of a very similar game you already casted! The dude won with a million men at arms against an opponent in either imperial or castle age
That was hilarious. His town getting destroyed and he goes for a walk through the hills with a tin-pot infantry.
Not sure if you've been following this carlos player but he keeps doing these until yesterday. Carlos in a 4v4 game (with one ally instant quit) made 40+ longswordmen (yes he upgraded) and devastated the opponent next to him who thought he was safe enough with walls (and Carlos came by ships). He even trained tons of fully upgraded Coustilliers in late game and fought epic battles against enemy paladins. A great player.
That one villager in the middle for blue has the biggest private army I've seen.
Wow. That was...really anti-climatic.
yep
nope
Welcome to LEL
Well, Red had army at home, Blue probably just hope for a defenceless base, so he just said nope there is no way I could win the fight, and thb it probably will be.
Damn... reading this at 30 seconds kinda sucks...
23:01 - The disgust in your voice when you said that cracked me up. It was the quote of this video.
Blue was funny af,like 10 jannissaries WITH micro countered EVERYTHING he had xD
9:48 That scouting pattern is the Greek letter "sigma".
I'm not even mad. I'm impressed. I salute you Carlos! May your man-at-arms blanket the earth.
When I was young I always only had the demo version where you could only play one game and don’t go up to imp, so I didn’t even know you could go higher…
Wait till Carlos discovers the Goths!
Blue was trolling but hadn't expected a smurf
Fast Feudal at the speedy time of 15 minutes!
60 man army makes anyone ALT + F4
i already laughed at the thumbnail
❤ Me too
Man if Carlos had just finished that house wall instead of leaving huge gaps for some reason this would have been interesting.
No matter how weird his priorities, his colossal vil lead would have given him huge res. Why settle for 50+ infantry when you could have 150+!
I actually really enjoyed this one as a serious game. These guys get so so so much right despite getting a lot of it wrong. Both of these players obviously are trying to learn the game and will probably do very well if they keep with it.
Funniest thing about this I think is that blue could have won that game at any time by A moving his horde into reds base, even in castle if he would just go around castles in the middle. Even when he resigned he had force to level enemy economy, evening the odds.
He was testing how many militia would he need to change a lightbulb.
The joy of LEL, you never know what will happen next
very entertaining game and equally hilarious cast by t90
Love to come out to the Aus meet up, little too pricey to fly across the ditch from NZ though. Hope its a good time!
T90 is in the 93 club. me too.
Who else gets 30 this year?
Feel kinda strangely old.
Imagining T90 at the optometrist's, chin in the big lens machine, with the optometrist flicking lenses back and forth in front of a picture of farms asking in a bored voice "One, or two?"
Regarding the "stupid" sentence about appreciating the time in feudal age more instead of rushing into castle age. That advice works actually perfectly fine in terms of real life.
Bonus: in Empire Earth each match could take hours and sometimes you felt seriously "nostalgic" for a victorious engagement in the earlier ages of the game because there are so fricking many lol.
Also helps to keep your swordsman around while you're dropping nuclear war on your enemy.
T90 opening this video with an existential crisis I love it 😂💕
I was totally rooting for Carlos, why did the game ended when it was getting so good!? Also, his gamestyle reminds me of a player named "Why not?" Idk if people remember him tho. I just love LEL.
We need more Carlos games.
Conquest of Constantinople 1453 colorized
Bro these are the funniest videos I’ve seen in a long time keep ‘em coming bro I’m dead!
You need to find a game where Carlos actually wins. I wanna see that. If it exists... 😂
the most unexpected moment was attac--RESIGN
That scouting is a ∑, a sigma notation! And it sums to militia!
You think we could be watching something else but this is perfect because we're all just trying to sleep lol
High comedy right out of the map generation
19:48 made me laugh out loud
NEW SERIES IDEA: recreate games like this in scenario at the halfway mark or so and have expert players try to win playing the losing side.
At a certain point, it stops mattering that you're using inferior units. Militia goes BRRRRTTT! 🤣
First it's producing, now it's stop producing. I'm confused!
Well, you see...
...It Depends™
Wait people from '98 are 25 already? That means I'm... 27. Damn...
I've often wondered. Have you ever watched any TH-cam channels like Historymarche or Kings and Generals that talk about these civs and the real historical battles they had?
I'm 23 minutes in and I'm calling it: By the time Blue uses his militia horde, Red will have hand-cannons.
The legend of Carlos
You have Centurions, and legionaries at home!
Centurion and legionaries at home
Love the series
I... I think Blue was trying to play AOE2 like Starcraft.
Think about it: Dark-age militia, scouting with workers, the patterns are there.
Metal MilitiahAH!
I'll repeat: low elo games are way more fun to watch than pro.
This strat with goths would be crazy
the wolf teached red the secret teqnique of fighting against skirms
It's like you lift a log and there's just a bunch of bugs under there.
T90 longsighted the poor man is still struggling he needs a follow up appointment just in case T90 astigmatism
TIL im the same age as T90
Happy birthday buddy. Unrelated but the "island" in the map looks like a potion bottle, or a misshapen Texas
hey dude, just wanted to shout out that you are one of the best casters out there - really enjoying your videos and thankx for the content! dont let life bring you down and keep up the good work :)
I have stuffed around with all in drush a bit. It usually fails monumentally, but when it works, it's really fun! Forward rax into forever dark age.
I think playing Vikin or Malian Militia only is funny. since they get alot of good upgrades and can be deceptivly tanky VS arrows.
I think the thing that makes it frustrating to watch is that we have seen better player at much lower ELO then Blue.
Listening to your commentaries on these LEL can be so interesting sometimes. I never know how these crazy plays are going to make you feel or how you'll react. What a blast!
Blue resigned cause he was confident in his inevitable victory 👍
IT'd been 12 years since i last saw the optician, my eyes had minimal change! I swear eyes only get worse when you visit every 2 years...
those 7 years probably were better than you thought (or not)
There was this challenge recently where it asked to create 50 militia in dark age
epic skirmish fights!
This militiarmy is great!
How do these guys get to 600 ELO? Am I on a different ladder??
Brilliant game!
i have a little cousin who i teached how to play aoe2 dark age , makkin militia , making farms , controlling units , making villagers and ect. he loved the game and wanted to play a lot i once looked what he was doing , little bro had fifty militias
low elo legends is my favorite :)
This was a moment where supplies would have been useful...
IDK man if he can hold up until those 50 men at arms turn into champions, they're gonna be unstoppable... probably
I'd love to know if Blue does this all the time, this is great stuff
Your farms ARE better, Tristan.
You are alowed to be proud
Blue was producing vils the whole time while red's TC was IDLE for 7 MINUTES during his raids. The blue ended up with BIGGER supply. Blue is a better player in my eyes.
I didn't know that it was already chanukah.
okay the thumbnail says it will be amazing :D
damn straight away
give Melbourne some love too if you're down under!!
Wait, bro resigned after...
Huh. What a confusing person, but also what a Chad
if he attacked red with all that militia, he would shred him, few scouts from red wouldn't stop him...
Australia is so good you'll think of coming back and staying. mateeeee
came for the aoe2, stayed for the existential dread
I'm going to try this build until it works xD
I love LEL 😂
I need more Carlos in my life! 11
1998 kid here, can confirm I'm 25 and I'm the one starting to feel old haha
Bro i swear some guys are just stoned out of their mind playing this it's the only way u could explain the whacky tactics