UPDATE (repost, edit is not working): - Yesterday, I took on six new pilots, that founds us thanks to OA's video: th-cam.com/video/eURm2WhlBu8/w-d-xo.html - A key bit of context is that you are pilot in the military not a civilian trader. Think X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter but with a persistent universe and logistics. I have little tolerance for grind and limited gaming time so while the world will be dangerous it will not waste your time or demand too much of it. Thanks for the video OA! I've been busy all day welcoming many fellow space game fans into our community. I am not surprised that your ship and pilot remaining in the universe when you logoff has raised a few eyebrows. It probably wouldn't work in most existing space sims, but Hunternet is being built from the ground up to support this mechanic. Persisting all resources in the universe at all times will allow for a richer world simulation with more room for interesting strategies and logistics. You'll have quite a few ways to balance your risk/reward before logging off after a session and getting destroyed is less of an issue when you are backed by one of the two human factions. This mechanic has already led to some fun and interesting asynchronous gameplay as members of our community try to find the perfect place to shut down their ships or scout the asteroid fields with the help of headlights or night vision to try and find unsuspecting prey. In the future, you'll be able to stow your starfighter inside a well-defended carrier or space station to minimize risk. I also will experiment with different ways a smart player could hide their ship and even supply caches deep inside enemy territory. It will be scary and it will take some skill and the willingness to take risks but it should lead to some great stories. Thanks again to OA for covering Hunternet, it's done a lot to bring us onto the radar of many space fans some of which I think will find Hunternet to be their cup of tea. Cheers!
One big red flag 🚩 is that they are selling EA steam keys on their website instead launching directly on Steam as EA. Which means no real return policy. I will wait, I remember Hellion or other EA titles that never went into a full launch.
The lack of secure zones and constantly open PvP is an absolute no-no for me. I don't have the time commitment to make sure my stuff is safe on a daily basis.
@@sterlingdennett By all means. I wish there were more options for people who prefer PvE honestly. Not everyone wants to be stressed out of their mind playing games.
@@shogun2215 And I like that there are games focused on different aspects. I'm more of a PvE player myself, but a game focused mostly on PvP gives you different expectations. It's not "ganking" anymore, if you launch this game, you know it's gonna be dangerous and you'll probably need to fight or flight. If you launch Elite, you can just use solo mode and you can relax. You can also play other games with single player or private servers, like Empyrion, Space Engineers, etc. This game sounds fun as a PvP focused game, where you need to find allies to survive, and I'm sure people will make factions dedicated to protecting more PvE focused players. But it will require more cooperation - you want to haul something or mine resources, you'll need to team up with people who'll be able to protect you during the journey. There's not much incentive for that in Elite and I think it may be interesting to see how the universe in the game evolves. I won't buy it now, but I'll keep an eye on the development, because we may get it with my friends and try to build some carrier together if some relatively safe places will exist. I'd expect some big fraction to emerge and to have systems deeper in their territory to be pretty safe to play PvE before you start challenging yourself to travel further into less safe territories.
I have played a couple of game where everything stayed even when you were logged off. That gets really old after a while. Having to always be wary of being attacked makes it feel very much like a job you can't even take a vacation from. In the end it's a very bad feature.
it works potentially, like in an mmo itd give staying at an inn, hiring npc guards, paying to stay at someones guild hall, it would just need repercussions both ways like players that pk get arrested or bounties, etc.
No secure zones bothers me a bit. I can't be online all the time, maybe 2-3 times a week meaning that in between I'm surely to lose something. EVE had a high sec system for this reason, which came with its on caveats (gate/station campers and such) but you always had a fallback place to safely start up from. I'd imagine there will be places like far inside friendly faction space where you can be relatively safe but for example a faction leader or a "streamer and followers" could cook up a deep raid with throwaway ships to go out hunting as they do in EVE in nulsec systems often.
Its why these games are so uninteresting to me these days. I want to save and I want to load my progress as it was. So I prefer the multitude of fantastic space games for single player these days. But this game could be a great online-experience for those who enjoy online games. :)
@@kerbalairforce8802 Money is easy to come by now, I made a billion in 2-3 days and that keeps my carrier going for around 6 months at 35 million or so upkeep which is the max as I have every facility on all the time or over 2 and a half years in basic mode.
it doesn't matter anyway...this game isn't really going to achieve even 1/5 of what it's trying to do. Also, that first ship he shows is literally a rip-off of the "Gladius" fighter from Star Citizen, the cockpit canopy has the same exact design, and other things really seem eerily familiar...too familiar for it to be a coincidence. I'll wait for Star Citizen rather then playing a game like in this video that's going to fail
Real life always comes first - the ability to log off at any time without risk to your ship is too important. You can't predict when real life will take you away from a game, nor should you stress over it.
While I like that the game is trying something new.. you are right. Real life comes first. If I'm playing and there is an emergency, I don't think its fair to be punished for it. I understand the idea, but I'm very sceptical of how it will turn out.
Then the element of immersiveness is lost :-). And the element of immersiveness, when the player is afraid of losing their equipment, afraid of dying, is much more important, and it works in many games. This means that players will be forced to form clans for protection, or join factions to secure NPC support so they can protect your equipment while you're offline. But for example, in Elite, the death of a player is so painless that all value is lost.
Honestly I don't mind if you lose things some time if they make things appropriately easy to get. And remember it cuts both ways so when you get popped next time you pop someone else.
well i think you can have limited amount of no consequence saves, like one in 24 hours , or people will use that to cheat themselves out of losing battles .
I used to playtest this game years and years ago. I'm glad to see it finally catching the light of day. I think it has a lot of potential for combat space sim players.
I think the issue with being purely PVP-centric is you simply can't sustain the player population needed to make the moment-to-moment exciting. There's a lot of excellent sci-fi PVP games that have come and gone because at the end of the day, their playerbases are TINNNNNY. Seems interesting, but I don't personally see what differentiates it from Angels Fall First, EVE Valkyrie, Infinity Battlescape...Or the space-combat component of entrenched fanbases like Star Citizen and Elite.
The persistence thing is similar to what EVE Online has done since forever, possibly since its creation. Granted your ship doesn't just sit in space, as long as you wait for your log off timer. By waiting for the timer to reach 0 it will enter a kind of warp; and for continuity when you relog it will reappear in the same spot while exiting this warp. But this log off timer can be affected. For example, if you have an aggression timer you would have to wait longer. Now if you were to just Alt + F4 then the timer begin the moment the session is closed essentially leaving you sitting in space until that reaches 0. Unless you were caught in the meantime that is. Also all active ship modules are turned off when the session is closed. So, for example, even if you were to use a speed mod to make the ship hard to catch, the mod would be turned off as soon as the session closes. Leaving you just sitting in space again.
thats not how it works , at least not today anymore . maybe back in early days but not when i played with a competent friend in 2017 and such . back then , yes your ship would sit in space with a timer before warping out but the truth is that once it reached its destination it just disappear . i know that because i once tested with said friend being both in a calm system , i logged off then he looked which direction my ship auto-warped , then d-scaned , nothing . ask him to get his combat probes out and look for the direction i went to , did just that with a deployment of his combat probes scanning the region my ship could have warped to , found nothing . lastly i told him , do a global system scan with your combat probes , scanned , lots of bs old pos nothing about my big orca named in a specific way , heck nothing about an orca at all . redid the test but faster . i was showing on his combat probes scan for like 15-30 sec while my ship was possibly warping , then re scanned mere moments later and again , vanished nothing . so maybe they have updated that since i last played 6 years ago , but i can assure you last time i played back then it was not the case .
I wanna know what the next best thing to elite dangerous is. Most importantly, I really liked Elite’s 1:1 Milky Way rather than just a flight sim with space backgrounds.
Technically, elite map still has background because it relies on instance. You can’t really travel to the other close by stars without FSD, it’s still not that open.
That 1:1 seemed like in interesting idea but when you spend hours in it and find some bread crumbs here and there it felt pointlessly big and empty and tedious to travel through
I jumped to their page and read "No safe zones", as i understand its unrestricted pvp. Imho its a recipe for disaster, players who can play 8h/day will camp and gank 10 to 1 any other players. This is a fact, thats what will be happening, if you put no restrictions. I have played for years Eve Online, read about other mmorpgs, griefers will alwys be attracted and thrive in such games. And hey its their idea of fun, who am i to judge, but without restrictions it imho will kill/scare away most of other players.
@@allnamestakenisnot I exactly meant it in the sense of what @WatchMysh wrote: sure i can and will go elsewhere, because these days im not interested in pvp at all (I used to be quite the pvper in my eve online days), but a MMORPG usually need lots of players/money to survive, and the hardcore pvpers are a minority. If they pull it off, good for them, but its very risky design imho.
If I understand you... this is like, mainly, a constant fight to survive by killing, ultimately. No safe zones? Many space gamers like building so where's the pull for them?
which just means that within a few weeks of being life a small group of griefers will control all the choke points and either kill on sight or extort anyone daring to try to go there.
It doesn't sound like a game that's trying to be all things to all people. If someone enjoys building, they'd probably be better off playing a game that's actually focused on building.
Thanks for the video OA! I've been busy all day welcoming many fellow space game fans into our community. I am not surprised that your ship and pilot remaining in the universe when you logoff has raised a few eyebrows. It probably wouldn't work in most existing space sims, but Hunternet is being built from the ground up to support this mechanic. Persisting all resources in the universe at all times will allow for a richer world simulation with more room for interesting strategies and logistics. You'll have quite a few ways to balance your risk/reward before logging off after a session and getting destroyed is less of an issue when you are backed by one of the two human factions. This mechanic has already led to some fun and interesting asynchronous gameplay as members of our community try to find the perfect place to shut down their ships or scout the asteroid fields with the help of headlights or night vision to try and find unsuspecting prey. In the future, you'll be able to stow your starfighter inside a well-defended carrier or space station to minimize risk. I also will experiment with different ways a smart player could hide their ship and even supply caches deep inside enemy territory. It will be scary and it will take some skill and the willingness to take risks but it should lead to some great stories. Thanks again to OA for covering Hunternet, it's done a lot to bring us onto the radar of many space fans some of which I think will find Hunternet to be their cup of tea. Cheers!
Definitely not a mechanic for me, in fact it has directly put me off wanting to play. But if that's your vision, best of luck to you and I genuinely hope it works out as you hope. It's always nice to see success stories in this niche market.
Can asteroids be more complex than simply a stretched surface? ie. can they be hollow, with holes in the side, and thus internal structure? Being able to hide one's ship inside an asteroid would be kinda cool. I can understand why some may not like the persistence idea, but then this is so new that I don't know how to judge the implications. Perhaps too easy to dismiss if one hasn't considered or experienced what new forms of gameplay such a system will make possible. Either way, it's demonstrating what I predicted would eventualy occur, existing bloated games like ED would be overtaken by newcomers who do it better, or different, or both. I like the fact that someone is trying this, ie. what does genuine persistence really mean? Very interesting. I hope the project is a success, the space game market needs competition, otherwise there will never be a reason for the established big boys with all the money to do any better, especially Fdev. I do get the impression that exploration is not something this game will deal with much, so alas its basic MO doesn't appeal to my tastes, but it clearly has merit and potential for those who do like pew pew in space with greater depth and possibility than Fdev ever bothered to provide. I also drink a lot of Early Grey. :)
How do you plan to prevent me and my friends sneaking into a "protected npc controlled space" and destroying thousands of players? If there is no safe way to log out there will be THOUSANDS of people just like me who will do nothing but grief the entire server.
I'm very happy to finally see a space game based on risk management and with a true meaning for PVP activity. One single open world universe where you always need to watch your back. I hope it is not grind-based but skill based. Will definitely support this project!!
Let me get this straight... the developers claim they have come up with a revolutionary single-shard universe, then limit the number of players near each other in that single shard (like every other MMO, because physics). Seems like they didn't want to implement instancing and came up with some lore handwaving instead.
eve online runs on 1 server with 30k players online. around 2010-2012 with 60-70k players on average. also, there is no limit how many players can be in a solar system.
@@psynapsys EVE has one shard, and each system is it's own instance, with one or more system instances per server. While it's true that there will always be one and only one instance of each system, there is a limit to how many people can normally be in each system. The use clever "hidden" tricks to hide it for most systems via jump gate/docking/undocking delays and transitions because they know a lot traffic is transitory with people just traveling through a system or heading to a station. You need to contact CCP (there's a form on their support page) if you want more than X users in a system at a time (say for a massive alliance battle) so they can make sure the system can handle it by moving the instance to a beefy server by itself. And even then, once they hit too many users in a localized area they'll slow down the server update tick clock to give it more time to process events. Don't get me wrong, their implementation is impressive as hell, but it does have limitations.
It's not just down to technical hurdles... As someone who's been in the middle of some of the largest Air battles in (planetside's history)...THERE IS a certain point in MMO-shooters where it becomes impossible for you to affect almost anyone else or most other people to have any impact on you either. ...it becomes such a cluster-f that there is no inter-personal interaction between 99% of the people "involved". There is no "Depth" or room for Command structure in that kind meaningless spectacle.
@@jackcampbell9203 Yes, I built a new midrange last November and splurged on some of the parts. But a family member wants a new one and the graphics card is just killer. I guess if you go with built in graphics you can get out pretty cheap.
I think the final epiphany for me was one day I was standing next to another warrior of the same race/level as me in WOW and he had three times as much health as I had because of his gear. And the only way to get the gear, was to volunteer to be smashed by the people who had the gear. Then about the time you had the gear, the new gear was out and the process would start all over again.
@@V-RADIOI think global agenda was the “final straw” for me. Fun enough instanced based PvE at first but dear gods the PvP was horribly broken. Rarity and Level based skill/ability upgrades, rarity and level based gear. So you could have some no lifer in an open PvP match pulsing their jet pack from the ceiling of an arena never needing to land while using a hitscan machine gun and having more hp, damage, accuracy, flight speed, map knowledge and lower cool-downs than anyone else in the match. This after years of playing OG quake/UT/battlefield games, counterstrike/DoD, planetside for years. Then even many of those titles sequels introduced game balance breaking upgrade/progression systems turning every round into an uphil slog versus people in objectively superior gear (CS remained mostly mercifully devoid of this but I remember the riot shield, I USED that damned riot shield)
Looks interesting, I'm glad to hear that it isn't purely PVP. PVP reliance can make for a short lifespan and any game 100% focused on it will die when player counts dwindle. This is my big concern with another similar, but smaller-scale combat space sim developed by Impeller Studios, named "In the Black." Now of course there are successes in the MP arena like EVE Online... but aside from that, there are precious few multi-player focused space sims that are still alive and well today.
any forced pvp game rapidly degenerates to where any pve content is meaningless because access to it is completely impossible due to griefers and gankers blocking access.
EVE Online isn't solely PVP though, it has a large amount of the playerbase that never interact with other players; all they do is sit in the NPC corp they started with in the game(so they can't be wardecced); they mine, run missions, salvage wrecks and do PVE content. Sure, 'market pvp' exists; but that isn't really costing you to lose anything so long as you're just selling and not trying to mess with things too much. EVE Online atleast had a niche and a place for everyone to choose their level of depth. Would still be a damn fine game that my alliance and I would be playing today had they not gone pay to win by selling skillpoints/character progression.
ive played in black al;ot they were doing key give away its diffrent game its a death macth reall physics nuculer powered ship sim battle game its cool but nott this and was meant to out last year ive got it on my steam lol and playable
@@ShevaiAsandude, what? It was always pay to win. Or do you seriously consider dual-boxing to be a "fair" gameplay mechanic? If you could afford more accounts in the past, then that was a massive advantage over those who couldn't. How many alts just sit around only to scan the cargo of outbound ships or other dumb shit like that? The thing that killed eve was the rampant botting, the endless chat scams, the heavily pro-griefing systems and mechanics (for all that your post would make it seem like the game had a niche for non-pvp players, the odds were still stacked against those players even in hi-sec when it came to player griefing), their anti-new player stances, and the absolutely unbelievably toxic community. I hardly ever use this annoying buzzword but holy crap does it ever apply to the eve community.
@@WELLbethere Except they still had to train their skills for each account seperately. When my alliance and I quit, it was because you could literally start an account and BUY skill point injectors. Your Day 1 toon could go from flying frigates, to using fully kitted out capitals if you paid enough. Multi-boxing atleast took effort and time; you had to still 'put the time in' to train those characters to do what you wanted to use them for. Night and day difference between taking 6-8 months to get the extra account(s) where you wanted them(and continue training to get them), as opposed to being a day one player and spending $500 to pay your way to what everyone else had to spend real time doing. If anything, the skill injection/buying skillpoints made the multiboxing all the worse; but the buying of skillpoints meant you couldn't look at someone's character's 'birthday' and make a determination of their skill point capability; and you certainly never expected to see a day 1 toon sitting on a gate with a battleship lighting off smartbombs to gank smaller ships as they warped in; but it was a common thing happening.
Amazing game from an amazing developer with a great community. It's great to see you looked into it OA. Hope more people pick it up as it has wonderful flight mechanics and is good for a quick combat flight with friends. Thanks for the content!
I'm loving the resurgence of space games, i remember playing the likes of the x-wing vs tie fighter series, freelancer and descent freespace (one of my favourites, the story and music was so good!) When i was younger. The only thing i really wish these games would do more is let you build your own ship, being able to loot new ship sections to use in building your own ship of fancy would be perfect, i know some games have this but they should all have it really in this day and age 😅
Then my friend, Space Engineers is the place for you. PvP servers give you ample action for custum built ship, like, you build it ground up from blocks and install all the systems yourself, even AI fighter escort)))
Tried to play elite this weekend for the first time in a long time. The fact they still think sitting there dealing with that horrible planetary approach long drawn out nonsense is just mind boggling.
You need to learn the supercruise assist trick. Negates most of that. I just learned it when I came back to elite in December after a LONG break. Hawkes Gaming has a vid on it.
Elite never has appreciated gamer's time. Infact quite the opposite. It seems their one main metric is to make in game activities take the maximum amount of time that it tolerable by the community.
@@stoney5137 it depends on the player wishes. Most of us [playing Star Citizen are more than happy to lose 5 min just getting to our ship. Prepping to get in space can easily take 15 min+ if you factor commuting, shopping for armor, guns, ship upgrades. To each their own.
@@ObsidianAnt Ok - does it (can it) use touch controllers, or just mouse and blind keyboard? Joysticks? At least I can feel a joystick in VR even if I can't see it. But my touch-typing goes to hell when I'm wearing a headset.
It sounds like it's just a non-consensual PvP space game, like Eve Online, for dummies. They did throw in the Thargoids and the combat graphics from Elite. So there's that. I don't see how it changes the genre, at least not from the clips shown.
There is an interesting reason why the flight model is so great. When Star Citizen released its 3.0 update years ago, it completely changed the flight model of the game. This alienated the huge dogfighting community, and a lot of them found Hunternet Starfighter as a replacement. A lot of the top SC dogfighters (from before 3.0 atleast) spent years working with developer FernandoZ to fine tune the flight model in HS. TL;DR: Hunternet Starfighter might not be as great as it is if CIG didnt fuck up Star Citizens flight model. Thanks CIG.
My opinion of Star Citizen is so low its being dragged across the toilet floor, 8+ yrs and the AI is so bad i can complete most tasks with just a knife. Laughable
So then you may missed the fact that the most played games on the market are actually „PVP“ based like LoL, Dota 2, Counterstrike, Fortnite etc. While I’m mostly a complete PvE player there is nothing better than high risk high reward „real“ PvP in games like EVE or Albion online. Even though if you are PVE Focussed it brings so much to a game like hide and seek or unpredictable moments etc. People just need to get into it. The important thing is that „loosing“ does not hurt too much but still needs to have some scalable impact like in these games.
Then play a pve game, we always have pvp games come out that pve players for some inexplicable reason flock too then complain that there is no pve in lol. Not saying you are one of those people, openworld pvppve games are so hard to make and theres so few of them, its frustrating when pve players who dont want to pvp try to change the very few of them that exist.
This is space Quake. It's fun. There will never be hugely disparate matchups like in Elite. It was from the start a space fighter dogfighting game. It's more like the Elite Arena thing than a full blown sim.
7:57 - I've posted that many times about ED, it's become very wide but incredibly shallow, with little emergent gameplay and riddled with hard coded & on rails mechanics. Even the fact that this new game allows players to create their own factions is significant.
I got into the super super early playtest a couple years ago when there were like 40 or so of us. Only played about 3 hours and never touched it again, then forgot about it. This is definitely looking a lot cooler than before!
Single shared universe... I already heard about this 😅. So far no one have been able to make it really work. When many players start to be online server dies, lag increases... it will be impossible to fight. Look at Dual Universe or Starbase. So I didn't understand really in what this game is different.
The most stupid idea is that in the distant future space pilots will aim and doing maneuver by hands, not with AI-based quantuum-powered supercomputers. Lol.
From a technical point of view, this is not possible. There will be instancing, just disguised as something else, e.g. jump gate busy, etc. The lack of highsec space is also a no-no for me.
Looks good. One question that does not appear to be answered anywhere. How do you upgrade / purchase new ships? Is it an in game credit purchase like ED? Or, is it a per ship $$$ purchase like DCS?
I'm happy to see another space sim enter the market. Keeping the mechanics simple is also an interesting development style, because it can lead to a viable and fun game much faster, it reminds me of Elite as compared to Star Citizen. Although I'm still rooting for Star Citizen as well.
Looks good. Project scope is doable and the team vision is focus. I can’t wait to see what they pull off with this. Their current vision is what star citizen used to be and why I back star citizen. I like how they are clear with what they want this game to be and not overly promising unrealistic features. I hope they keep it that way.
It's just one guy and a bunch of testers. He's been working on this game for years and years. I played it a few years ago and it's pretty fun. Don't expect anything monumental. He's got good physics and it's primarily a space dogfighting game. Simple and it works.
@@Cozzyhane that's exactly what it is. It's kind of like Elite CQC, except you won't have to wait forever for a match. The AI is pretty good, so a fight with only a few players is still fun. Everything is evenly matched. The tweaks you can make to ships are well balanced. There's no HP inflation like Elite. It's fighters that can't take more than a few seconds of fire before they get destroyed.
a game that mashes up the best things of elite, star citizen, and EVE online would be my dream game. Mining moons while operating ship production lines to feed the needs of corporations military conquests in space and on the ground is my itch. I myself like the idea of the universe being dangerous.
when this comes out I'll be watching as things unfold, and if it fails then I'll move on, though if it succeeds and doesn't massively flop? Definitely playing.
I wish Star Citizen ships were this maneuverable, it's a bit arcadey but I actually like that more than super crazy physics based flying that SC is doing.
some sort of stealth that hides your stuff and also makes it so you can't attack without having it disabled would be nice for the players that can't play daily
I've only heard "offline but your character stays in the game" before as one of the features Chronicles of Elyria was supposed to have, where your character would be controlled by AI after logging off. Not something I'd like most games to have but would it's interesting enough to want it used somewhere
PvP focused with no safe zones is a big pass for me. I don't really see how this is goingo to "change everything." It's all bog standard with no real innovations anywhere.
I should add that X4 Faundations is a whole lot better... In my opinion its by far the best single player (no online multiplayer capabilities of any kind) space game to date.
So they took what looks like Star Citizen's flight combat before it's major rework and made an entire game out of just it? I'm down for that, I miss it.
It's not SC's flight really, I've played it while they had an earlier alpha test and it looks the same. Not saying it's not interesting just that it's different. It probably is closer to SC than ED however.
Always online reminds me of Starport. I believe called "Sleeper Ganking". I remember being engaged with the game but after I got sleeper ganked (killed while offline) I sorta lost interest. This game will absolutely need to add some space station we can logout at. And dont make them rare just to force us to get sleeper ganked left & right. Honestly, these days I play games where the players can run their own server (like DCS) which makes it a bit more casual
Graphics and gameplay look almost identical to the first playable iteration of of SC’s PU. It almost looks like someone made a game based on those early builds, back when there was only one dock. Makes me want to buy another GTX 980 and relive those days haha. Traveling is even every similar to how it was then and I preferred it that way. The cockpit and background would just stretch and slingshot you a thousand light seconds or so to your objective. Now when I go to Microtech or some crap I have to go grab a beer, start dinner and wash dishes lol
UPDATE (repost, edit is not working):
- Yesterday, I took on six new pilots, that founds us thanks to OA's video: th-cam.com/video/eURm2WhlBu8/w-d-xo.html
- A key bit of context is that you are pilot in the military not a civilian trader. Think X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter but with a persistent universe and logistics. I have little tolerance for grind and limited gaming time so while the world will be dangerous it will not waste your time or demand too much of it.
Thanks for the video OA! I've been busy all day welcoming many fellow space game fans into our community. I am not surprised that your ship and pilot remaining in the universe when you logoff has raised a few eyebrows. It probably wouldn't work in most existing space sims, but Hunternet is being built from the ground up to support this mechanic.
Persisting all resources in the universe at all times will allow for a richer world simulation with more room for interesting strategies and logistics. You'll have quite a few ways to balance your risk/reward before logging off after a session and getting destroyed is less of an issue when you are backed by one of the two human factions.
This mechanic has already led to some fun and interesting asynchronous gameplay as members of our community try to find the perfect place to shut down their ships or scout the asteroid fields with the help of headlights or night vision to try and find unsuspecting prey.
In the future, you'll be able to stow your starfighter inside a well-defended carrier or space station to minimize risk. I also will experiment with different ways a smart player could hide their ship and even supply caches deep inside enemy territory. It will be scary and it will take some skill and the willingness to take risks but it should lead to some great stories.
Thanks again to OA for covering Hunternet, it's done a lot to bring us onto the radar of many space fans some of which I think will find Hunternet to be their cup of tea.
Cheers!
Almost thought this was elite dangerous for a second.
I just saw this video. Might be time to bring a few Goons over from EVE.
that sounds like foxhole in space
This stuff looks and sounds really cool and I eagerly await what's to come.
Thank you! @@wraithwrecker_
One big red flag 🚩 is that they are selling EA steam keys on their website instead launching directly on Steam as EA. Which means no real return policy. I will wait, I remember Hellion or other EA titles that never went into a full launch.
Probably they can't afford to pay steam their cut.
Anyway, let's see it fail from a safe distance.
@@vladcrow4225 I’m with you on that. I’ve seen so many failed early access project with good potential. it really gets annoying.
@@Karto86 If they have a Steam page up they've already paid the $100 to have it up
@@Alp577 Annoying, but fun. Especially to watch wow-kids' hopes broken.
The lack of secure zones and constantly open PvP is an absolute no-no for me. I don't have the time commitment to make sure my stuff is safe on a daily basis.
Yeah, leave this game to the people who love PVP!
@@sterlingdennett By all means. I wish there were more options for people who prefer PvE honestly. Not everyone wants to be stressed out of their mind playing games.
@@shogun2215 Elite Dangerous has a solo mode
@@shogun2215 And I like that there are games focused on different aspects. I'm more of a PvE player myself, but a game focused mostly on PvP gives you different expectations. It's not "ganking" anymore, if you launch this game, you know it's gonna be dangerous and you'll probably need to fight or flight. If you launch Elite, you can just use solo mode and you can relax. You can also play other games with single player or private servers, like Empyrion, Space Engineers, etc. This game sounds fun as a PvP focused game, where you need to find allies to survive, and I'm sure people will make factions dedicated to protecting more PvE focused players. But it will require more cooperation - you want to haul something or mine resources, you'll need to team up with people who'll be able to protect you during the journey. There's not much incentive for that in Elite and I think it may be interesting to see how the universe in the game evolves. I won't buy it now, but I'll keep an eye on the development, because we may get it with my friends and try to build some carrier together if some relatively safe places will exist. I'd expect some big fraction to emerge and to have systems deeper in their territory to be pretty safe to play PvE before you start challenging yourself to travel further into less safe territories.
@@shogun2215 play X3 or any of the other offline space games if you want PVE
I have played a couple of game where everything stayed even when you were logged off. That gets really old after a while. Having to always be wary of being attacked makes it feel very much like a job you can't even take a vacation from. In the end it's a very bad feature.
Rust, walking up at a random location with just a rock...
it works potentially, like in an mmo itd give staying at an inn, hiring npc guards, paying to stay at someones guild hall, it would just need repercussions both ways like players that pk get arrested or bounties, etc.
No secure zones bothers me a bit. I can't be online all the time, maybe 2-3 times a week meaning that in between I'm surely to lose something. EVE had a high sec system for this reason, which came with its on caveats (gate/station campers and such) but you always had a fallback place to safely start up from. I'd imagine there will be places like far inside friendly faction space where you can be relatively safe but for example a faction leader or a "streamer and followers" could cook up a deep raid with throwaway ships to go out hunting as they do in EVE in nulsec systems often.
Its why these games are so uninteresting to me these days. I want to save and I want to load my progress as it was. So I prefer the multitude of fantastic space games for single player these days. But this game could be a great online-experience for those who enjoy online games. :)
Elite failed with fleet carriers. I used to deploy overseas every year for 4-6 months, and carriers required constant upkeep costs.
@@kerbalairforce8802 Money is easy to come by now, I made a billion in 2-3 days and that keeps my carrier going for around 6 months at 35 million or so upkeep which is the max as I have every facility on all the time or over 2 and a half years in basic mode.
it doesn't matter anyway...this game isn't really going to achieve even 1/5 of what it's trying to do. Also, that first ship he shows is literally a rip-off of the "Gladius" fighter from Star Citizen, the cockpit canopy has the same exact design, and other things really seem eerily familiar...too familiar for it to be a coincidence. I'll wait for Star Citizen rather then playing a game like in this video that's going to fail
When you log off you're not in game anymroe for people to shoot you. Same thing in eve. There's a log out timer on your character.
Everytime i hear single instance in a space game i go: "here we go again.."
Real life always comes first - the ability to log off at any time without risk to your ship is too important. You can't predict when real life will take you away from a game, nor should you stress over it.
While I like that the game is trying something new.. you are right. Real life comes first. If I'm playing and there is an emergency, I don't think its fair to be punished for it. I understand the idea, but I'm very sceptical of how it will turn out.
This is a bit silly, and hadn't been the case for a decade with online games. Comes across like a parent telling their kids to pause an online game.
Then the element of immersiveness is lost :-). And the element of immersiveness, when the player is afraid of losing their equipment, afraid of dying, is much more important, and it works in many games. This means that players will be forced to form clans for protection, or join factions to secure NPC support so they can protect your equipment while you're offline. But for example, in Elite, the death of a player is so painless that all value is lost.
Honestly I don't mind if you lose things some time if they make things appropriately easy to get.
And remember it cuts both ways so when you get popped next time you pop someone else.
well i think you can have limited amount of no consequence saves, like one in 24 hours , or people will use that to cheat themselves out of losing battles .
I used to playtest this game years and years ago. I'm glad to see it finally catching the light of day. I think it has a lot of potential for combat space sim players.
How many years ago ?
@@Legionempire1 back in 2019
Same here. It was fun when I played. Sounds like Fernando added quite a bit to the universe in the last few years.
Also same. Was a fun little project, and I had no idea Fernando had such ambitions for it. Pretty cool!
Exploration game or pvp
I think the issue with being purely PVP-centric is you simply can't sustain the player population needed to make the moment-to-moment exciting. There's a lot of excellent sci-fi PVP games that have come and gone because at the end of the day, their playerbases are TINNNNNY.
Seems interesting, but I don't personally see what differentiates it from Angels Fall First, EVE Valkyrie, Infinity Battlescape...Or the space-combat component of entrenched fanbases like Star Citizen and Elite.
Anybody remember Black Prophesy? No? I bought a whole computer for that game and six months later it disappeared.
The persistence thing is similar to what EVE Online has done since forever, possibly since its creation. Granted your ship doesn't just sit in space, as long as you wait for your log off timer. By waiting for the timer to reach 0 it will enter a kind of warp; and for continuity when you relog it will reappear in the same spot while exiting this warp.
But this log off timer can be affected. For example, if you have an aggression timer you would have to wait longer.
Now if you were to just Alt + F4 then the timer begin the moment the session is closed essentially leaving you sitting in space until that reaches 0. Unless you were caught in the meantime that is. Also all active ship modules are turned off when the session is closed. So, for example, even if you were to use a speed mod to make the ship hard to catch, the mod would be turned off as soon as the session closes. Leaving you just sitting in space again.
thats not how it works , at least not today anymore . maybe back in early days but not when i played with a competent friend in 2017 and such . back then , yes your ship would sit in space with a timer before warping out but the truth is that once it reached its destination it just disappear . i know that because i once tested with said friend being both in a calm system , i logged off then he looked which direction my ship auto-warped , then d-scaned , nothing . ask him to get his combat probes out and look for the direction i went to , did just that with a deployment of his combat probes scanning the region my ship could have warped to , found nothing . lastly i told him , do a global system scan with your combat probes , scanned , lots of bs old pos nothing about my big orca named in a specific way , heck nothing about an orca at all . redid the test but faster . i was showing on his combat probes scan for like 15-30 sec while my ship was possibly warping , then re scanned mere moments later and again , vanished nothing . so maybe they have updated that since i last played 6 years ago , but i can assure you last time i played back then it was not the case .
@@darkmadrap so it sits in space and enters a practically infinite warp? I'm pretty sure that was what I said.
@@GeekBatman Ok so your just need to find a safe spot to wait out the log out timer, that makes much more sense, and sounds less server intensive
I wanna know what the next best thing to elite dangerous is. Most importantly, I really liked Elite’s 1:1 Milky Way rather than just a flight sim with space backgrounds.
I really hope that something like that turns up.
We need an Elite Dangerous 2.
There I said it.
It's still Elite 😁
Technically, elite map still has background because it relies on instance. You can’t really travel to the other close by stars without FSD, it’s still not that open.
That 1:1 seemed like in interesting idea but when you spend hours in it and find some bread crumbs here and there it felt pointlessly big and empty and tedious to travel through
I jumped to their page and read "No safe zones", as i understand its unrestricted pvp. Imho its a recipe for disaster, players who can play 8h/day will camp and gank 10 to 1 any other players. This is a fact, thats what will be happening, if you put no restrictions. I have played for years Eve Online, read about other mmorpgs, griefers will alwys be attracted and thrive in such games. And hey its their idea of fun, who am i to judge, but without restrictions it imho will kill/scare away most of other players.
Go play another game then theres so many games that suit more pve specific players.
@@allnamestakenisnotDoesn't mitigate the fact that most pvp based mmos died quickly. It's a niche. You need paying players to keep a game alive.
@@allnamestakenisnot I exactly meant it in the sense of what @WatchMysh wrote: sure i can and will go elsewhere, because these days im not interested in pvp at all (I used to be quite the pvper in my eve online days), but a MMORPG usually need lots of players/money to survive, and the hardcore pvpers are a minority. If they pull it off, good for them, but its very risky design imho.
@@allnamestakenisnot the hardcore pvp crowd is tiny, dude, and if they rely on it they'll quickly run out of money
If I understand you... this is like, mainly, a constant fight to survive by killing, ultimately. No safe zones? Many space gamers like building so where's the pull for them?
which just means that within a few weeks of being life a small group of griefers will control all the choke points and either kill on sight or extort anyone daring to try to go there.
So. It's online only? Garbage.
It doesn't sound like a game that's trying to be all things to all people. If someone enjoys building, they'd probably be better off playing a game that's actually focused on building.
@@trashcan7340 It's an MMO lmao
This game somehow painfully reminds me of how I wish Infinity Battlescape had more players.
its ok bro , i feel you as i too have this lingering pain from not having had the chance to see infinity's full potential . 😢
I remember following that game many yrs ago but gave up on it releasing so lost touch with it
I love this game, bought in a year ago. Thank you for covering it, hope to see more coverage from you and others.
Thanks for the video OA! I've been busy all day welcoming many fellow space game fans into our community. I am not surprised that your ship and pilot remaining in the universe when you logoff has raised a few eyebrows. It probably wouldn't work in most existing space sims, but Hunternet is being built from the ground up to support this mechanic.
Persisting all resources in the universe at all times will allow for a richer world simulation with more room for interesting strategies and logistics. You'll have quite a few ways to balance your risk/reward before logging off after a session and getting destroyed is less of an issue when you are backed by one of the two human factions.
This mechanic has already led to some fun and interesting asynchronous gameplay as members of our community try to find the perfect place to shut down their ships or scout the asteroid fields with the help of headlights or night vision to try and find unsuspecting prey.
In the future, you'll be able to stow your starfighter inside a well-defended carrier or space station to minimize risk. I also will experiment with different ways a smart player could hide their ship and even supply caches deep inside enemy territory. It will be scary and it will take some skill and the willingness to take risks but it should lead to some great stories.
Thanks again to OA for covering Hunternet, it's done a lot to bring us onto the radar of many space fans some of which I think will find Hunternet to be their cup of tea.
Cheers!
This will be a hard pass for me... I don't drink tea so this is not my cup of anything
plans for space legs?
Definitely not a mechanic for me, in fact it has directly put me off wanting to play. But if that's your vision, best of luck to you and I genuinely hope it works out as you hope. It's always nice to see success stories in this niche market.
Can asteroids be more complex than simply a stretched surface? ie. can they be hollow, with holes in the side, and thus internal structure? Being able to hide one's ship inside an asteroid would be kinda cool.
I can understand why some may not like the persistence idea, but then this is so new that I don't know how to judge the implications. Perhaps too easy to dismiss if one hasn't considered or experienced what new forms of gameplay such a system will make possible. Either way, it's demonstrating what I predicted would eventualy occur, existing bloated games like ED would be overtaken by newcomers who do it better, or different, or both. I like the fact that someone is trying this, ie. what does genuine persistence really mean? Very interesting.
I hope the project is a success, the space game market needs competition, otherwise there will never be a reason for the established big boys with all the money to do any better, especially Fdev. I do get the impression that exploration is not something this game will deal with much, so alas its basic MO doesn't appeal to my tastes, but it clearly has merit and potential for those who do like pew pew in space with greater depth and possibility than Fdev ever bothered to provide.
I also drink a lot of Early Grey. :)
How do you plan to prevent me and my friends sneaking into a "protected npc controlled space" and destroying thousands of players? If there is no safe way to log out there will be THOUSANDS of people just like me who will do nothing but grief the entire server.
I'm very happy to finally see a space game based on risk management and with a true meaning for PVP activity.
One single open world universe where you always need to watch your back.
I hope it is not grind-based but skill based. Will definitely support this project!!
Let me get this straight... the developers claim they have come up with a revolutionary single-shard universe, then limit the number of players near each other in that single shard (like every other MMO, because physics). Seems like they didn't want to implement instancing and came up with some lore handwaving instead.
eve online runs on 1 server with 30k players online. around 2010-2012 with 60-70k players on average. also, there is no limit how many players can be in a solar system.
@@psynapsys EVE has one shard, and each system is it's own instance, with one or more system instances per server. While it's true that there will always be one and only one instance of each system, there is a limit to how many people can normally be in each system. The use clever "hidden" tricks to hide it for most systems via jump gate/docking/undocking delays and transitions because they know a lot traffic is transitory with people just traveling through a system or heading to a station. You need to contact CCP (there's a form on their support page) if you want more than X users in a system at a time (say for a massive alliance battle) so they can make sure the system can handle it by moving the instance to a beefy server by itself. And even then, once they hit too many users in a localized area they'll slow down the server update tick clock to give it more time to process events. Don't get me wrong, their implementation is impressive as hell, but it does have limitations.
It's not just down to technical hurdles... As someone who's been in the middle of some of the largest Air battles in (planetside's history)...THERE IS a certain point in MMO-shooters where it becomes impossible for you to affect almost anyone else or most other people to have any impact on you either. ...it becomes such a cluster-f that there is no inter-personal interaction between 99% of the people "involved". There is no "Depth" or room for Command structure in that kind meaningless spectacle.
Being a console peasant in the video game world is like being able to eat only the first and last slices of bread.
I need a PC.
Do it. I swear you will never touch your console again the day that PC turns on.
@@rinzlr3554 buidding a midrange PC these days with a new midrange graphics card, you could buy Xbox and PlayStation 5 and the new PlayStation 5 VR.
@@CommanderBrutusParker you could buy 100 PS5s but you're still not gonna be able to play this game
@@CommanderBrutusParker nah I just built my niece a midrange pc for $490
@@jackcampbell9203 Yes, I built a new midrange last November and splurged on some of the parts. But a family member wants a new one and the graphics card is just killer. I guess if you go with built in graphics you can get out pretty cheap.
Always happy to see more in space game options. Not a PvP fan anymore especially when it’s gear progression based but I’ll see how this one turns out.
I think the final epiphany for me was one day I was standing next to another warrior of the same race/level as me in WOW and he had three times as much health as I had because of his gear. And the only way to get the gear, was to volunteer to be smashed by the people who had the gear. Then about the time you had the gear, the new gear was out and the process would start all over again.
@@V-RADIOI think global agenda was the “final straw” for me. Fun enough instanced based PvE at first but dear gods the PvP was horribly broken. Rarity and Level based skill/ability upgrades, rarity and level based gear. So you could have some no lifer in an open PvP match pulsing their jet pack from the ceiling of an arena never needing to land while using a hitscan machine gun and having more hp, damage, accuracy, flight speed, map knowledge and lower cool-downs than anyone else in the match.
This after years of playing OG quake/UT/battlefield games, counterstrike/DoD, planetside for years. Then even many of those titles sequels introduced game balance breaking upgrade/progression systems turning every round into an uphil slog versus people in objectively superior gear (CS remained mostly mercifully devoid of this but I remember the riot shield, I USED that damned riot shield)
Dang, I wanted this exact game and it exists.
Looks interesting, I'm glad to hear that it isn't purely PVP. PVP reliance can make for a short lifespan and any game 100% focused on it will die when player counts dwindle. This is my big concern with another similar, but smaller-scale combat space sim developed by Impeller Studios, named "In the Black." Now of course there are successes in the MP arena like EVE Online... but aside from that, there are precious few multi-player focused space sims that are still alive and well today.
any forced pvp game rapidly degenerates to where any pve content is meaningless because access to it is completely impossible due to griefers and gankers blocking access.
EVE Online isn't solely PVP though, it has a large amount of the playerbase that never interact with other players; all they do is sit in the NPC corp they started with in the game(so they can't be wardecced); they mine, run missions, salvage wrecks and do PVE content.
Sure, 'market pvp' exists; but that isn't really costing you to lose anything so long as you're just selling and not trying to mess with things too much.
EVE Online atleast had a niche and a place for everyone to choose their level of depth. Would still be a damn fine game that my alliance and I would be playing today had they not gone pay to win by selling skillpoints/character progression.
ive played in black al;ot they were doing key give away its diffrent game its a death macth reall physics nuculer powered ship sim battle game its cool but nott this and was meant to out last year
ive got it on my steam lol and playable
@@ShevaiAsandude, what? It was always pay to win. Or do you seriously consider dual-boxing to be a "fair" gameplay mechanic? If you could afford more accounts in the past, then that was a massive advantage over those who couldn't. How many alts just sit around only to scan the cargo of outbound ships or other dumb shit like that?
The thing that killed eve was the rampant botting, the endless chat scams, the heavily pro-griefing systems and mechanics (for all that your post would make it seem like the game had a niche for non-pvp players, the odds were still stacked against those players even in hi-sec when it came to player griefing), their anti-new player stances, and the absolutely unbelievably toxic community. I hardly ever use this annoying buzzword but holy crap does it ever apply to the eve community.
@@WELLbethere Except they still had to train their skills for each account seperately.
When my alliance and I quit, it was because you could literally start an account and BUY skill point injectors. Your Day 1 toon could go from flying frigates, to using fully kitted out capitals if you paid enough.
Multi-boxing atleast took effort and time; you had to still 'put the time in' to train those characters to do what you wanted to use them for.
Night and day difference between taking 6-8 months to get the extra account(s) where you wanted them(and continue training to get them), as opposed to being a day one player and spending $500 to pay your way to what everyone else had to spend real time doing.
If anything, the skill injection/buying skillpoints made the multiboxing all the worse; but the buying of skillpoints meant you couldn't look at someone's character's 'birthday' and make a determination of their skill point capability; and you certainly never expected to see a day 1 toon sitting on a gate with a battleship lighting off smartbombs to gank smaller ships as they warped in; but it was a common thing happening.
This is incredible. OA you are always so consistent in being my first contact for me when it comes to new upcoming SciFi games.
I'm digging the ultra wide screen resolution :D Finally something that plays without pillar boxes on my screen.
Amazing game from an amazing developer with a great community. It's great to see you looked into it OA. Hope more people pick it up as it has wonderful flight mechanics and is good for a quick combat flight with friends. Thanks for the content!
It's like Star Citizen, but working, and only space battles. Very cool.
I'm loving the resurgence of space games, i remember playing the likes of the x-wing vs tie fighter series, freelancer and descent freespace (one of my favourites, the story and music was so good!) When i was younger.
The only thing i really wish these games would do more is let you build your own ship, being able to loot new ship sections to use in building your own ship of fancy would be perfect, i know some games have this but they should all have it really in this day and age 😅
Then my friend, Space Engineers is the place for you. PvP servers give you ample action for custum built ship, like, you build it ground up from blocks and install all the systems yourself, even AI fighter escort)))
NO safe zones is a BIG letdown for me. I hope they implement some kind of law enforcement (like Concord in EVE) to penalize unfair pvp
Agreed. Safe zones are essential for practical gamers.
Tried to play elite this weekend for the first time in a long time. The fact they still think sitting there dealing with that horrible planetary approach long drawn out nonsense is just mind boggling.
You need to learn the supercruise assist trick. Negates most of that. I just learned it when I came back to elite in December after a LONG break. Hawkes Gaming has a vid on it.
Elite never has appreciated gamer's time. Infact quite the opposite. It seems their one main metric is to make in game activities take the maximum amount of time that it tolerable by the community.
Of all the problems that E:D has, atmospheric entry is really not one of them.
Well, the game is part simulation, not just game.
@@stoney5137 it depends on the player wishes. Most of us [playing Star Citizen are more than happy to lose 5 min just getting to our ship. Prepping to get in space can easily take 15 min+ if you factor commuting, shopping for armor, guns, ship upgrades. To each their own.
I love the volumetric explosions and missile trails. They look fantastic
No secure areas really bothers me - and it's something that is generally a deal breaker for me anyways
Wow this looks amazing, flight model looks like so much fun
Does this really work in VR or is that a future wish-list?
Yes it works in vr.
@@ObsidianAnt omg i cant wait till the open this up so we can all play it
@@ObsidianAnt Ok - does it (can it) use touch controllers, or just mouse and blind keyboard? Joysticks? At least I can feel a joystick in VR even if I can't see it. But my touch-typing goes to hell when I'm wearing a headset.
@@ObsidianAnt All I needed to know. I look forward to tracking this one's progress.
@@ObsidianAnt W-w-w-w-what?! Wow. Another VR first person space game? I'm in!
It sounds like it's just a non-consensual PvP space game, like Eve Online, for dummies. They did throw in the Thargoids and the combat graphics from Elite. So there's that. I don't see how it changes the genre, at least not from the clips shown.
Can't believe you stooped to the "this changes everything" heading!
Just added it to my steam watchlist, it states it'll be VR compatible as well which is a huge bonus
Yep! Pretty rare feature
Nice video dude! Keep up the good work!!
I can't tell you how stoked I was when I read the title.
I also can't tell you how disappointed I was when I read that this is an MMO.
MMO = ignore.
There is an interesting reason why the flight model is so great. When Star Citizen released its 3.0 update years ago, it completely changed the flight model of the game. This alienated the huge dogfighting community, and a lot of them found Hunternet Starfighter as a replacement. A lot of the top SC dogfighters (from before 3.0 atleast) spent years working with developer FernandoZ to fine tune the flight model in HS.
TL;DR: Hunternet Starfighter might not be as great as it is if CIG didnt fuck up Star Citizens flight model. Thanks CIG.
My opinion of Star Citizen is so low its being dragged across the toilet floor, 8+ yrs and the AI is so bad i can complete most tasks with just a knife. Laughable
Reminds me a bit of Jumpgate if anyone remembers that old MMO-space-game.
The aliens aren't by any chance purple jellyfish type of things?
Looks great. I'm not sure how to feel about the open PVP though. This usually kills games for the majority.
So then you may missed the fact that the most played games on the market are actually „PVP“ based like LoL, Dota 2, Counterstrike, Fortnite etc. While I’m mostly a complete PvE player there is nothing better than high risk high reward „real“ PvP in games like EVE or Albion online. Even though if you are PVE Focussed it brings so much to a game like hide and seek or unpredictable moments etc. People just need to get into it. The important thing is that „loosing“ does not hurt too much but still needs to have some scalable impact like in these games.
Then play a pve game, we always have pvp games come out that pve players for some inexplicable reason flock too then complain that there is no pve in lol. Not saying you are one of those people, openworld pvppve games are so hard to make and theres so few of them, its frustrating when pve players who dont want to pvp try to change the very few of them that exist.
I'd argue the lack of good PVP and a small but loud corner of the ED community moaning about it helped ruin Elite "Dangerous".
@@acidtwin Lack of PVP and atrocious combat balancing. ED could never figure out if it was an MMO or sim and it ruined combat
This is space Quake. It's fun. There will never be hugely disparate matchups like in Elite. It was from the start a space fighter dogfighting game. It's more like the Elite Arena thing than a full blown sim.
Love how the explosions and debris clouds look.
Looks like therre's VR support. I'm in.
If you like it very simple and fun, go for it, but sadly will be forgotten pretty fast...
7:57 - I've posted that many times about ED, it's become very wide but incredibly shallow, with little emergent gameplay and riddled with hard coded & on rails mechanics. Even the fact that this new game allows players to create their own factions is significant.
This in VR with my flight sim hardware would be fun, like Elite Dangerous
I got into the super super early playtest a couple years ago when there were like 40 or so of us. Only played about 3 hours and never touched it again, then forgot about it. This is definitely looking a lot cooler than before!
I was like "Damn, if this was VR it would be my dreamgame" Whuddya know? They've already implemented it!
Lag cannot be overcome globally.
It is not possible.
It does gave me the vibe of a MMO version of X3. And I have to say, if it does work, it could be very cool and fun !
Basically what I was looking for when I got into EVE in 2012...
Single shared universe... I already heard about this 😅. So far no one have been able to make it really work. When many players start to be online server dies, lag increases... it will be impossible to fight. Look at Dual Universe or Starbase. So I didn't understand really in what this game is different.
The most stupid idea is that in the distant future space pilots will aim and doing maneuver by hands, not with AI-based quantuum-powered supercomputers. Lol.
The game looks good and I am looking forward to trying it. I have added it to my Steam Wishlist.
This game is LASER FOCUSED. these graphics are OUT OF THIS WORLD
This looks exciting. I'm definitely going to check this out.
I feel like I've seen TH-cam titles like this 10000 times
First impression: The flight and graphics feel very Elite
What does this have Elite doesn't...feels shallow.
I've had this on my wishlist on steam since November 2022.
From a technical point of view, this is not possible. There will be instancing, just disguised as something else, e.g. jump gate busy, etc. The lack of highsec space is also a no-no for me.
that LOOKS like at least an elite dangerous level flight model, lets hope they actually develop a full game around it :)
This comes across as an ad where you're just reading off talking points that have been given to you.
Looks good.
One question that does not appear to be answered anywhere.
How do you upgrade / purchase new ships?
Is it an in game credit purchase like ED?
Or, is it a per ship $$$ purchase like DCS?
Love space games, and love your channel. Hope you get more info on this game
It just sounds like elite dangerous but less advanced, what is the thing that "changes the genre"?
I'm happy to see another space sim enter the market. Keeping the mechanics simple is also an interesting development style, because it can lead to a viable and fun game much faster, it reminds me of Elite as compared to Star Citizen. Although I'm still rooting for Star Citizen as well.
Looks good. Project scope is doable and the team vision is focus. I can’t wait to see what they pull off with this. Their current vision is what star citizen used to be and why I back star citizen. I like how they are clear with what they want this game to be and not overly promising unrealistic features. I hope they keep it that way.
It's just one guy and a bunch of testers. He's been working on this game for years and years. I played it a few years ago and it's pretty fun. Don't expect anything monumental. He's got good physics and it's primarily a space dogfighting game. Simple and it works.
@@JackManiacky dogfighting is all I want for this game. No spaceleg, no ship interior, no multicrew, and no unrealistic features.
@@Cozzyhane that's exactly what it is. It's kind of like Elite CQC, except you won't have to wait forever for a match. The AI is pretty good, so a fight with only a few players is still fun. Everything is evenly matched. The tweaks you can make to ships are well balanced. There's no HP inflation like Elite. It's fighters that can't take more than a few seconds of fire before they get destroyed.
a game that mashes up the best things of elite, star citizen, and EVE online would be my dream game.
Mining moons while operating ship production lines to feed the needs of corporations military conquests in space and on the ground is my itch.
I myself like the idea of the universe being dangerous.
when this comes out I'll be watching as things unfold, and if it fails then I'll move on, though if it succeeds and doesn't massively flop? Definitely playing.
That looks already better than Star Citizen space combat.
Title: THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
Reality: It's another space fighter.
This looks promising. I've wishlisted it on steam. Looking forward to more news on this game.
I have no idea how i have not heard of this game
But thank you
I wish Star Citizen ships were this maneuverable, it's a bit arcadey but I actually like that more than super crazy physics based flying that SC is doing.
Yeah this is exactly what I'm looking for. This, a hotas and a vr headset and I'm set
Sounds like first-person EvE, for better or worse. (But even EvE has high-sec stations for you to dock at...)
4:44 admit it, you were about to say "deep inside friendly tortilla" 😂
Where was the "Could Change The Genre Forever" part?
some sort of stealth that hides your stuff and also makes it so you can't attack without having it disabled would be nice for the players that can't play daily
People thought Star Citizen would change the genre but look where we are
Anyone remember Descent? God, I loved that game.
I've only heard "offline but your character stays in the game" before as one of the features Chronicles of Elyria was supposed to have, where your character would be controlled by AI after logging off. Not something I'd like most games to have but would it's interesting enough to want it used somewhere
PvP focused with no safe zones is a big pass for me.
I don't really see how this is goingo to "change everything." It's all bog standard with no real innovations anywhere.
Damn I wish this was also available in VR :( GUTTED
EDIT: It is a also VR so very excited to see this release.
I should have mentioned that it is available in vr.
Store page pretty clearly states VR support.
@@ruorick Thanks mate, totally missed the note. Was expecting some mention in the right hand column where that stuff usually is.
@@ObsidianAnt With you being an Elite nerd, you certainly should have you naughty boy. *slapped botty
I wish someone would take this level of graphics and detail and make us a Battlestar Galactica game. I miss Wing Commander.
This looks wonderful !! I am still hoping for a Freelancer like game someday
The closest to that would be the "X4 Foundation" game.
I should add that X4 Faundations is a whole lot better... In my opinion its by far the best single player (no online multiplayer capabilities of any kind) space game to date.
Wow, so much taken from Star Citizen. Same targeting... and, is he flying a Gladius?
So they took what looks like Star Citizen's flight combat before it's major rework and made an entire game out of just it? I'm down for that, I miss it.
It's not SC's flight really, I've played it while they had an earlier alpha test and it looks the same. Not saying it's not interesting just that it's different. It probably is closer to SC than ED however.
Always online reminds me of Starport. I believe called "Sleeper Ganking". I remember being engaged with the game but after I got sleeper ganked (killed while offline) I sorta lost interest. This game will absolutely need to add some space station we can logout at. And dont make them rare just to force us to get sleeper ganked left & right. Honestly, these days I play games where the players can run their own server (like DCS) which makes it a bit more casual
The game design choices mentioned here throw up more red flags than a Soviet-era Victory Day parade.
Reminds me of Elite Dangerous CQC, which no one plays because most of the people prefer the comical ship shields/armour on main game.
It looks like an interesting proposal.
OOooo this looks like a modern day Jumpgate . The best space game ever . Totally interested point me in the direction Im totally interested
sounds interesting. how big is the universe? will here be some exploration do be done?
I see a lot similarities in the look and feel with this and ED will keep it on my Steam watch list
Nothing can touch Space Engineers
Graphics and gameplay look almost identical to the first playable iteration of of SC’s PU. It almost looks like someone made a game based on those early builds, back when there was only one dock. Makes me want to buy another GTX 980 and relive those days haha. Traveling is even every similar to how it was then and I preferred it that way. The cockpit and background would just stretch and slingshot you a thousand light seconds or so to your objective. Now when I go to Microtech or some crap I have to go grab a beer, start dinner and wash dishes lol
Who doesn't love a wave of that hand magic, "we'll have one instance with not lag". How? Magic.
intresting. think i might back the game to get access. dose it support HOTAS ?
I feel like this is going to turn into a frustrating gankfest