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I told a friend gently that i felt like her bf groomed her. She was like 15 he was 18 (same age as me at the time they met) not too bad of a difference, but enough. She said the same thing, that she groomed him. It broke my heart
@@jessi7405 Oh lord... I hope she's doing better now. I think some victims of grooming know or at least suspect what it's happening to them but tell themselves _"It was my idea"_ _"I'm the one in control"_ as a coping mechanism trying to convince themselves they are safe
@jessi7405 I have a similar story, was unfriended by my friend because I told them that their on and off boyfriend from when we were TWELVE was grooming them. They were 12 and he was like 16. (The on and off thing went from like 12-14). They fr said that they 'didn't deserve him' and 'he was too good for them.' NO TF HE WAS NOT. They used to claim they were gonna wait until they were 18 and get married and run away together or some shit. Eventually they gave up on the dating thing but they're still friends with him and it disgusts me. Edit: For clarification, that friend has SA trauma and is attracted to older men cause of it. They've had a crush on a lot of men older than them, including my older brother. The issue here is that the older guys indulge their fantasies and purposefully use their their trauma against them.
@@zosiuniaa3 because why wait until someone is a legal adult to be with them when you're in a relationship with someone else. SO hypothetically if what the previous comment said was true, your reply just made the statement of the first comment a worse reality.
17 isn't a child the same way 10 years old is a child. I feel like people try to make that equivalence all the time. Starting from 13 you are a teenager, not a child. As soon as people get to the age where they want fake IDs to buy alcohol, they aren't innocent like a kindergartener learning their ABCs anymore. That's what it feels like people are saying when they try to say that a 17 year old and 364 days is a child. You can't fuck around, smoke weed, and drink alcohol illegally with your same age peers while maintaining the innocence status of a 5 year old. lol
Watching her brag about "pulling him" is horrifically tragic. It's such a perfect example of grooming. The bredator makes the victim feel so special, that they get together, the victim feels like they got the prize! I was there. I was 15 when I met a 21 year old, and I felt so cool. When he got me cigs and alcohol, I just felt like I was so special and that's why he picked me.
Same here! 14 with me. Gave me drugs and alcohol when I wanted them. I felt grown up saying I loved him back in exchange for sexual stuff without the sex. Typical groomer stuff lmaoo
@@cp.ngoose1178 so sorry hun ): hopefully you have healed and had healthy relationships with yourself and other since then 💜💜 I didn't even come to terms with how bizarre it was until I was over 21. I realized wait wtf?? I would never date a child, never sneak them out of their house, never feed them alcohol/cigs/weed, that was weird af and messed up!!
Me too. I was 14, he was 20, he gave me drugs, and then at 15 he gave me a baby, intentionally. We got away from him when I was 18. I love my daughter, but f you Stephen Douglas Clark Jr, you should be in prison 🖕
The fact that Jesse is now known as billies creepy ex and not as the voice of the neighbourhood is honestly hilarious. He deserves it 100%, and as someone who was obsessed with Jesse when I was 13 it’s just so funny to see. He’s had young girls wrapped around his finger for years now and I’m glad he’s being exposed.
Funny thing is it has to be the only band where the main singer isnt well known put that man infront of the whole fanbase 1 or 2 people would know its him
@@Vamptrewhile funny this is not true at all... been a part of the fanbase since 2013 and everyone has always wanted Jesse and screamed over him specifically at the shows
@@rose-yeah You do realize that you are saying that sapphic women never date non attractive women or that non attractive sapphic women are doomed to be alone, right? That is not really a flex.
Society has made women feel shameful of the trauma they endure, blaming them instead of their abuser. When a women is SA'd, they are told it's their fault, and that they were "asking for it" or they "knew what they were getting into" when in reality, they are coerced, gaslit, and shamed: making it difficult to speak up for themselves or get the help they need. Most aren't even aware they're being abused until it is too late.
Frrr Like I hate that ppl always got to make it the women's fault, especially when they're victims of like s abuse/assault. "You shouldn't have talked to him", "you shouldn't have dressed like that", "you shoulda said no", "you shouldn't have been alone", like shut tf up. It's never the fuking victims fault, y'all just protecting r@pists, and abusers.
the thing that bothers me is that billie was literally the person who talked about not understanding why "gorgeous women get with ugly men", and how those ugly men get such an ego boost from dating a pretty girl, and go treat other women like shit. she KNEW these situations. but unfortunately being in the situation can be a lot different than simply seeing it.
she 9 times out of 10 prob does not see herself as one of those gorgeous women. and boy oh boy is she fucking gorgeous. we’re (as women) always tryna compare ourself to the next and rnd up overlooking our beauty. it sucks cuz i find myself doing it ALL the time.
ikr its just like how u can be telling ur friend about all the red flags in their relationship and tell them to leave but once ur in it u dont see em or ignore even if u said youd never tolerate them
The way people who have been taken advantage of through their childhood end up falling for people who are still terrible just because they seem so much better in comparison is heartbreaking, I hope Billie finds a good person one day
She said in an interview a few years ago that she likes / is attracted to "dangerous people" ... she has been with people older than her since she was 16. At 16/17 she was with an abusive 20-year-old guy and is also been raped Etc and at 19 with one of 30 (Like Beyoncé and her husband Jayz) and then at 21 with one of 30 .. now she's an adult and she can do what she wants even more😅 .. and her parents could never stop her because Billie like many people and teenagers if she want to do something she will do it even in secret and it would have been worse… in the end it's her life, her choices and her consequences .. it's none of our business her relationships 😅 people should only be interested in their music not the private life of celebrities . Who cares. It's her choice at the end, if she is ok with that, who cares.
It's not even better. It's just how people who have controlling mothers end up with controlling wives/partners. People gravitate toward what they know, unfortunately. It's called a cycle for a reason. :/ (probably preaching to the choir but you feel me)
thats what happened to me. Gina told me she had been watching me since I was 14 and walked away without any consequences. Now I stay home and am told to be grateful for the opportunity to be lonely. Yay
The fact that Jesse Rutherford isn’t even the worst person she’s dated :( edit: for those who don’t wanna look in the replies to this comment for the explanation, here you go! I was referring to this one rapper named Brandon Quention Adam’s (he goes by the stage name 7:AMP) that she dated way back when she was just starting in music. They met and dated when she was 16, and he was 22. I'm pretty sure he groomed her. It’s highly speculated that Billie’s song “Your Power” is about him and how unbalanced the power dynamic in their relationship was.
@@kieran.owen2002 this one guy named Q that she dated way back when she was just starting in music. They met and dated when she was 16, and he was 22. I'm pretty sure he groomed her.
Billie unfortunately has been in relationships with way older, predatorish men since she was about 16, and she even wrote a couple songs about being abused and talked vaguely about it in interviews :( and it keeps happening to her. I hope she heals
@@srrynnie1818when you get highly successful and rich as a teenager you would probably start to feel like an adult because your making your own money and getting popularity and do wild things I probably would to if I became famous/rich
Judging by Billie's lyrics even before meeting him, she's the kind of person who's vulnerable to exploitation in relationships and showbiz is notorious for allowing creeps to sex literal children. This whole situation may be legal, but it's still disgusting.
Women really are living with their eyes glued shut. They don't see or hear anything until it happens to them firsthand. It's time to start learning from other women's mistakes. This shit is exhausting and timeless.
but to be fair, he didn't look this (in the picture) when they started dating and tbh I really don't think he looked bad. So I understand what she saw. His behavior was disgusting nonetheless
can we stop thinking that 18-21 yos are immediately mentally grown and cant be taken advantage of like an underage person? like we should try to protect them from creeps half their age too, even if its legal is it moral?
true, your brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25. i hate how ppl believe when a 17 turns 18 then they mature "overnight", hence why i think the legal age should be 20 (it already is in certain countries)
I want every teen girl to know that THIS is what we adult women see when we warn you from the beginning. Your mind isn’t finished growing to see this ending coming. But once it is a bit more developed.. you will 9 times out of 10 come to this conclusion and realize that we were not trying to be mean, we simply saw something you didn’t, from past experience. Please please listen to the people who care about you. We’re not jealous, we’re angry at predators. We’re passionate about protecting our inner child and yours. I’m glad she saw this sooner rather than later.
Yeah I too warn younger people now when I hear sth sus, most of the ppl a few years younger than me can listen but I can’t lie it’s so frustrating when you have a friend younger than you and thinks you’re a hater because you get major creep vibes from the man hitting on them 🧍
@@AstraeaAntiopeDepends here. My thing is, if the younger person was 21 or older when the couple met, I mind my business. But if the situation is like Billie's and Jesse's...then yeah, that's something to worry about
@@peytoncollins3962 All the age-gap folks I have known have been 16 with 21 (a couple of those), 14 with 21 (she thought the school would approve a dance bid so she could bring that loser to homecoming😅), 16 with 26. Every single one had older women speak up and none listened. They don't even listen to each other or themselves, both Olivia Rodrigo and Billie Eilish now have well-known songs on the subject. I just wonder if it is the patriarchal narratives of "women are catty and jealous and in competition for male attention" and "older women are just jealous because men don't think they're hot anymore" that keep us from trusting each others' wisdom.
exactly this! it's so difficult for them to understand that our criticisms actually come from a place of love and genuine concern for their well being, I honestly don't know how to properly approach them about this issue other than clowning on these creeps until they realize how they're being manipulated by them.
The sudden silence in the studio before everyone caught on the fact that she wanted an applause for pulling "that" is hilarious lmao Like, I imagine them looking at each other like 👀👀👀
I thought it said "he's LEGALLY terrifying" and honestly? still holds true. I wish the law actually did something about obvious groomers like him... because he should be on a list, and he should be classified as legally a creep.
I dated a 33 yo when I was 20 and literally understand what she went thru. I felt like I was more mature than my peers and was intrigued by his age. I fell into a sub/dom relationship with him and all the times he’d call me little one, etc never clicked of how gross it was till after looking back. You start to blame yourself because you went into it willingly but it’s crazy what manipulation can do to a young person. :/
I feel you. I dated a 30 yo when i turned 19 and at first he seemed pretty creeped out at the idea, but then he started buying me stuff, taking me everywhere i couldn't afford even the cheapest thing. I felt so special because someone of that age was interested in me with so many options out there. Today i can see the power dynamics, how i changed my personality to fit into his life and not "make a fool" of myself, i tried to be a 30 yo and fulfill his desires, even the ones i was weirded out or didn't like at all. At that time no one ever told me he was taking advantage of me, but all the time i heard i was weird for dating an older man.
i did the same. a whole ordeal of me, 18-21, being with a 30 year old and it was so hard and stressful. Especially when theyre a person who doesn’t respect your boundaries. They manipulated me to do so many things that i regret very much. I wasnt and still am not emotionally mature enough to deal with what they were putting me thru and all their own issues they had as well. so miserable
I can't believe that he, a man in his 30's is being SO immature about their breakup when Billie who is literally in her early 20's is being civil and trying to keep him as a friend
It's very easy to believe, which is why dating is the way it is, and why more women are choosing to stay single. Absolutely none of this behavior is shocking or surprising to me; it's business as usual.
@@Promethazin3women date older men bu about 2 to 5 years. It's still statistically a small percentage of people who date way outside of their age group.
Because they like their personality? Just because you don't find him attractive doesn't mean that others do as well. Also, there is no need to shame them about their looks, it's more important to know about their personalities.
one of THE cringiest things i have seen from billie is her yearly interview and her giving herself a round of applause for snatching up this dude.... oh the cringe. you just looked at her and thought: oh sweetie...... in time you will see.... lol but that's the point!!!!! that's why you don't date younger girls or boys!!! bc they literally don't know any better. but YOU as the adult should :/
Yeah and she idolized him, She said in an interview She said The Neighborhood was her favorite band when she was 12, and the first concert she ever went to, She said that the concert inspired a lot of her live shows. I feel so bad people are blaming her for being taken advantage of, like Imagine if you got to date your celebrity crush you would be so starstruck and blind-sighted to see what was actually happening. He is a disgusting person and I feel so bad for Billie:(
@@alien_liwil saw it on a post somewhere once where this lady walked up to this guy and his nephew at the mall and said "aww i'm coming back for you when your 18, save him for me okay?" and then walked away lol
A man this aware and defensive of victims makes me feel so safe honestly. Ik I’m just one person but I really appreciate you and how you use your platform to call out stuff like this. It seriously matters to a lot of us, we’re just silent about it.
At the end of the day ~ you can have this facade of condolence but you haven't a clue what he does behind closed doors. Men will condemn these practices in one breath but still keep a toddler in their basement and touch them when no one is looking.
@@anotherdeadgrl damn u got bitter so fast Some of us have tried to not be silent and it made it worse. For my own mental health I choose to keep to myself and try to be peaceful. Everyone is on their own journey and at this point in time, I will call out what’s wrong when it matters but useless comments and fights online isn’t for me
12:40 “blew up by myself i feel like a creeper” because creepers in minecraft blow themselves up and he’s also creepy for dating billie eilish even though he met her as a minor
Billie Eilish may not understand it or admit it now but as someone who went through the exact same thing as her with my ex-husband eventually she needs to realize that she was gr00med, and she wouldn't have thought he was attractive if he hadn't made an emotional connection with her from a young age. Guys like him know how to do this and do it all the time too lots and lots of people and you are absolutely not wrong for saying that it's creepy and that it should never have happened. It's one thing if someone who is in their 20s meet someone who's older and they hit it off but if you are a literal teenager and a grown adult is trying to be your friend and starts wanting to date you right after you turn eighteen or nineteen, please just be aware that they had inappropriate thoughts about you when they met you but they didn't want to get arrested. Nobody dress wakes up one day and start seeing their much younger friend who they knew since that person was a child as a potential dating partner unless they had already considered that person a potential dating partner when they first met. He's a fucking creep and people have every right to call him one.
agreed. Age gap relationships aren't inherently toxic and manipulative, but they can EASILY turn that way, both people have to be open and aware of the power dynamic and make sure that the older person is letting the younger one be their own person and not control them. but underage? no. 100% not ok. its grooming. maybe if they waited a long ass time, like the teen got into their 30s and then they wanted a relationship, the younger person is older and understands this shit and is a complete adult now, but if you meet a teen and then you two wanna date as soon as they hit adult? nope. turn that shit down.
@@maddieb.4282 that's obviously really different because you have a fully developed brain and enough life experience to make better/safer decisions. also it's easier to be in the same "life stage" as another adult once you're 30 and know what you want.
daddy issues is my second favorite song of all time. it’s been my comfort song for years so hearing about all of this was so upsetting. i related to the lyrics and i remember people were sexualizing them and i thought they were ridiculous. i looked at the lyrics more intensely and i thought it was a little off but i tried to excuse it and i was in denial. but now it puts the song in a whole different perspective. especially with his new lyrics… it’s so disgusting and i hate that that song meant so much to me. the neighborhood is also my #1 favorite band so.. ugh…
Yeah. As soon as I found out that Jesse was the singer for the neighborhood and when they met I got weirded out. I was just listening to pretty boy. So I just kinda feel off since I listen to the band everyday :/
Sadly this is the most “i told you so” moment. When millions of people are concerned and telling you this dude is a predator, and you mock them by purposely dressing as a baby & old man for Halloween… very embarrassing for her looking back on all this. And unfortunately that’s how the cookie crumbles. Hope she learns her lesson from this. And i hope that dude falls in a hole or something.
Y’all are being weird asf to a victim of grooming. You don’t go “I told you so” to someone who has experienced that type of abuse. You really don’t care for her well-being
@@Girlbffr98 it is very true that such a response (that i think you’re referencing) isnt good for situations like this, I don’t believe the intention was to say one should explicitly go “I told you so” to a victim. Cuz really, it’s the truth. An “i told you so moment” is when you point smthin out that u think is “truth”, it is bypassed as incorrect, but later comes out to be correct. It doesnt need to be something crude or inappropriate (such as rubbing it into someone’s face), it can quite literally just be an observation
I think that was her trying to flex the idea that she was a grown woman and she can make her own choices. Obviously that comes with consequences and I feel bad about what happened to her. Hopefully that experience will help her focus on healthy relationships. I did the same thing at her age and i think a lot of people do.
I would be INFURIATED if my ex described that I had “Gaga[-ed] on [his] goo,” but more than anything, I’d be MORTIFIED *FOR HIM.* How could anyone ever think that that’s a good line deserving to be within a song, let alone one meant to diss your ex! It’s so gross & childish. The obvious sexual meaning (even though I’m not exactly sure what it means though I know it’s sexual) makes it so creepy due to the age gap, which honestly I wouldn’t be that perturbed by if they met when both were adults. Something about meeting a minor, particularly when there’s a large age gap, & seemingly waiting for the person to come to age so they can date.
(content warning) Oh my god, I recognized gaga on my goo immediately as oral sex, but I didn't put two and two together that he was making a play on baby talk like googoo gaga, totally demented.
This really sucks to hear, I’ve been a long time fan of the neighborhood. I hated it when Jesse and Billie got together cause I knew this was going to be the outcome. I hate it when my favorite artists are revealed to be total creeps 😢
FINALLY HE'S BEING DRAGGED. I got major red flags from him ever since that interview and felt so bad for her. Too bad it took this long for ppl to finally call him out but at least they are
I didn’t fully realize and accept that I was groomed until this year at age 22… there’s a reason why children CANNOT consent. My mom, teachers, friends parents have always said I’m very “mature for my age” I was not. I was the eldest daughter of 4 that was parentified early and ostracized later. Got blamed, punished, held responsible for everything and everyone’s shit. Everyone constantly told me how I was mature I got catcalled and approached randomly way more as a child and literally every time I got any sort of sexual attention i guess That makes it okay that he’s in love with his 14 year old daughter’s bestie? And he used drugs and cigarettes and alcohol to gain her trust and have a reason to be in the garage for hours and he’s a 60 yr old married man with ajust didn’t apply to me and I never saw myself as a victim or told anyone about it until I was 19 If ANYONE tells you you’re so mature for your age please don’t accept it as praise and do not trust that person. to look at a child and see extremely adult behaviors, it’s honestly concerning and sad, it is not impressive. unless you’re a predator there’s literally no reason to encourage the adultification of children There are certain things you just can’t understand before you develop, no matter how much “experience” you think you have. That experience of yours will become a lot more than that as you grow into your 20s Now you see what really happened and it affects you more than you used to think. It used to be easy. Now even in prisons where addicts, murderers, human traffickers, etc, basically the “worst people” in our society have absolutely zero tolerance for hurting children.
Let me try to understand this. So there's an older man that comes by and tells you that you are mature, then you go through the motions of a relationship as usual. Next, you find someone your own age who probably says some things to try to charm you in the same way, and you guys go through the motions of a relationship. What's the difference beyond placing a negative stigma on the age gap? I'm talking about age gap relationships with people above the age of consent here. I don't think there's much of a difference beyond the social pressure of feeling like an age gap is bad. Otherwise, you just have two people of legal age socializing in the way that you do within a relationship.
@@chimera5542 just say you want to defend men going after younger unexperienced girls as if that was normal, no need to write all this wall of text of bs.
@@icebear394 What about a girl's naivete suggests that the relationship has to be exploitative if there's an age gap though? It almost implies that the man is taking advantage because the girl could do better and bag a more attractive man. I get that, but that's not on the level of creepy criminal offensive that it's made out to be. So yeah, a girl gets into a relationship, she has sex with the guy, and then they break up. How is that any different when there's an age gap or not?
Watching Billie get victimized like that was pretty chilling. It’s so weird seeing it happen, understanding exactly what’s going on, but not being able to do anything. So much unnecessary trauma. I just hope she’s not as scarred as I was when I was her age-I was victimized by a 41-year-old sociopath. I’m still dealing with the trauma to this day, and I’m 31 now. I’ve been through a lot in my life, including heroin addiction and homelessness, but being preyed on by a much older man was definitely the most disturbing experience I’ve had. Whenever I get flashbacks I squeeze my eyes shut and shudder. It’s intense. Anyway, hope she’s okay.
Remember that you’re not alone and you’re not stuck in the past anymore. The past can hurt, and it can flash up around you, but you have to ground yourself in the present until you feel like you’re back in the room.
You’re only 31 and already been through so much…The fact that you had overcome all that is a testament that you can get anywhere you want in life. Pls don’t let these experiences keep you down. Instead use them as a motivator knowing your strength and amazing abilities. You DESERVE success and happiness
so glad you’re here to tell us your story now. what you said about watching it happen and knowing the outcome is so real… when i saw that halloween costume my stomach just turned for her because it was just so gross and an open flex for him
Remember, she mocked people tryna tell her he's a creep by dressing up as a baby while he dressed up as an old man. Which imo is offensive asf to all the people who have went through grooming or being molested Never said she wasn't a victim just noted she fully mocked victims of pedophilia because of what people were tryna tell her. It's fine that she didn't listen or made jokes but her costume was disgusting and too far.
Idk if the ppl behind the cameras actually did that but like wow what simps that she tells you to clap And you just do it to feed her ego about a man! Not even about her music!
At 19 had a 25 year old bf Biggest mistake of my life Worst abuse I've endured Thank you for this therapy PS: I’m not well but I’ll be alright Update: doing splendid and found a much better partner with a 2 year age gap
As someone who was there too, many times. You will know when he's not toxic if you haven't met a healthy partner yet, it will all feel different. Completely different.
Look Bille makes bad relationship choices, but are we just gonna ignore the fact her ex was attracted to her when she was a minor?? It be a little wired for him to find her hot when she was just 18, but the fact it was when she was 16 gives me a gut feeling that this guy gonna groom a kid. If he hasn't done that already. What a way to ruin the neighborhood.
The fact she also a victim [different guy] makes this 10 times worse. You gotta be a special type of gross to find a young VICTIM attractive and try to get into there pants as soon as they turn 18 or " legal " as these people would say.
@@cawingcrows2072yeah, their ex-drummer Brandon SA’d a member of the Maria’s while they were on hiatus and kicked him out of the band. Idk if they found a replacement yet.
I haven't finished the video yet but i had to stop and come here to tell every girl just turning 18: if a guy +4 years older than you suddenly shows interest, he is a creep. BE SAFE!!!!! talking from experience
that and the classic "youre so mature for your age"... i literally had that shit pulled on me and didnt know better because i was 13 😭 everyone pls look out for yourselves, pay attention to red flags, and surround yourself with people you can trust and lean on
I am a 42 year old woman, and I have just subscribed to your channel because your take on Barbie was SO positive and like, made me as an old meemaw age lady feel seen. Also I saw ONE picture of Billie and that chuck Taylor sneaker soaked in dumpster juice Jesse and I was like, that dude is a CREEP.
What is this trend of you people in your 40s...and even sometimes younger being like...AHH I'm just a granny grandma meemaw old bones rattling old people old OLD. Like, calm down. You're not 70 and you're not that funny.
It’s genuinely so disheartening that she feels/felt like she pulled him. I’ve been the person who didn’t know they were a victim until the damage was already done, and it’s something that takes a lot of therapy and processing to get through it. I just hope she finally finds someone who can treat her the way she needs to be treated, she deserves so much better than what she gets.
I mean it’s the same with every teenager/young adult really. Do adults/parents/everyone else tell them dating their partner is a bad idea? Yes. Does the teenager/young adult listen to them? No. After all, Billie is old enough to make her own dating choices- and learn from them (hopefully)
Also, I don't have a problem with huge age gaps (as long as they're consenting adults) but it's always a reg flag when one person in the relationship was under 18 like a few years ago. It feels like they were just patiently waiting for them to be legal and they were like "finally!!"
8:46 The funniest thing about that lyrics is the fact that she probably has the best relationship with her father ever. Like wtf? Do ur damn research about the people you date.
Cool video, My relationship of 5 years ended a month ago. The love of my life decided to leave me, I really love her so much I can’t stop thinking about her, I’ve tried my very best to get her back in my life, but to no avail, I’m frustrated, I don’t see my life with anyone else. I’ve done my best to get rid of the thoughts of her, but I can’t, I don’t know why I’m saying this here, I really miss her and just can’t stop thinking about her
its difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation, my relationship of 12 years ended, but i couldnt just let her go i did all i could to get her back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual counselor who helped me bring her back
You posted this exact, same thing on one of Dr. John Maloney's videos, along with the same, exact reply that's basically an ad for some grifter spiritual counselor. Phony as the day is long. What's the deal?
no yeah you bring the best point because now i'm wondering WHY for what reason does she date them like do they hide their behavior for a while or what @@kittyfries13
I'm 29 and I will never understand the argument that just because something is legal, that makes it okay. Yes, it was legal for him to date her but it's still so disgusting. I don't even have friends under the age of 26, nevermind dating someone a decade younger. That is straight up disgusting. It's a lot different when you're in your 40s and your partner is in their 30s because at that point, their brain is fully developed and they actually have life experiences comparable to yours.
I once heard someone say that when someone turns 18 they become legal adults for THEMSELVES (legally allowed to make their own decisions like living on their own and health care decisions, etc.) not for creeps to take advantage of them and I think that perfectly describes these types of relationships. Yes it's legal but that doesn't make it right.
I don’t normally think twice about a decade gap between adults. My partner and I are 9 years apart, but we met when I was 23 and he was 32. If you’ve known someone since they were a TEEN and start dating them once they’re legal, we have a word for that, and it’s called orbiting. Goes hand-in-hand with grooming. Complete degenerate behavior.
You are so good. Someone needs to protect Billie, for real. What a nightmare to be sexualized by the whole world at so young. What a nightmare to be predated on by someone you respect so much. I feel and know her pain, and I wish there was something that I could do.
this one really got to me, tbh. TNBHD was a band that got me through rough times as a teen, and "daddy issues" meant the world to me when i grieved my father despite all the abuse i was put through. it resonated with me. and to have this current context put the song into a new light really messes with me. i hope billie heals from this.
i completely understand what you’re feeling, with the comfort their music provided me during my teen years. especially with “daddy issues” for similar reasons. it’s so disheartening to see so many male artists and celebrities we found solace in that end up exposed as creeps. i even had to remove the nbhd (with the don’t play this artist feature) from my spotify acc cause it made me physically ill. it’s just so heartbreaking. i hope you are doing okay. i’m sending virtual hugs w consent your way.
I get what you mean. I still joke that the neighborhood was the “official” soundtrack to my 13 - 17 year old crippling depression era. sweater weather, the beach, rip to my youth, and daddy issues make me tear up to this day because they meant so much to me when I was younger. no other artist understood the specifics of my depressed feelings like they did. I have a very complicated relationship to my abusive father. daddy issues put all my feelings about my dad to an incredible song; it perfectly described everything I was feeling. and for years I felt like Jesse was the only guy who understood and was sympathetic to the plight of girls traumatized by terrible men. that daddy issues was his way of saying he saw us. he literally said “if you were my little girl, I’d do whatever I could do” and I feel so stupid because I actually believed it. and honestly, what his newest song tells me is that he likely has no respect for young girls who are abused by older men. male abusers are only a problem when it was about his father mistreating him. that he’s just like every other guy who thinks girls with daddy issues are sexy because we’re fucked up. he has no respect for the young girls who felt seen by daddy issues; that the only way he can appreciate that impact is that it made us wrap around his disgusting fingers. and that he’s just like every guy who puts on a soft-boy pseudo-feminist facade to get girls to think he’s “not like other boys”.
moral of the story: never make a guy the parasocial “only good white guy” of your heart. because he will literally just end up being being another John Mulaney, Brandon Urie, Jesse Rutherford type.
@restingsadface oh i never gave a fuck about the singer, and i couldn't even tell you the names of the other guys in that band. i just really liked the song + their music and now have to think of the guy who sings it being a weirdo every time i listen to it. don't read that much into it lol
you making this video is so fucking therapeutic for me because none of my friends give a shit about celebrity drama but this one hits so close to home & I’ve been needing to rant about it for so long !!! u truly are a feminist icon, ur takes r so refreshing THANK U FOR YOUR SERVICE U TRULY ARE KENOUGH KINGGGGG
I went to the music video to hear what it was supposed to sound like and 😭 you make it sound so much better?? Also the comments on that video- are amazing
@@maddieb.4282exactly! my parents met when they were 30/40 and got married a few years later, but at least at that time the maturity level between 30/40 isn’t as large of a gap then 21/31 🤷🏼♀️
Billie and my little sister were friends before she got famous. This puts so so much of this situation in a weirdly personal light for me. I have no idea how her older brother stands having a creep like this around her and BRAGGING about it. (Ik shes an adult and can do what she wants, im just shocked and saddened that no one in her family/life tried to help)
Billie seems like the type of person who might continue to date someone out of spite if too many people in her life pressure her not to. I don't know her, obviously, but some people get a "forbidden fruit" effect like that if pushed too much. Perhaps they were hoping she'd come to the right conclusion on her own.
@@vocexseta i get what ur saying, and yea that might be the case. It just saddens me that all of this is so public, and whatever the reason she was w this guy, its all out there forever now. Shes prob gonna have a different view of this relationship in a few years, if she doesnt already. I would hate to have to look back on a weird relationship/ time of my life not just in my mind but thru news articles and song lyrics and interviews- not to mention everyone online having an opinion on it (and look there i go having an opinion on it)
Ironically, her brother spoke about it and was supportive of the relationship at first. Which is sad🙃 And about the age gap relationships, Billie is an adult. If she meets an older partner AFTER the age of 21, it will depend on the person. And it isn't illegal.
So, as someone heavily involved in music/ band/ music production, grooming is unfortunately extremely common. Music gives men like this an excuse to “emotionally connect” with young girls who have talent, it literally happened to me when I was 17. Seeing you call this f**ker out is great, because it makes me think of the way my band director used to act towards me and how ABSURD I’d probably find it if I were to go back and watch his behavior now. I wouldn’t but “gaga on my goo” past him
As an aged GenX gal, in my youth I was in some troublesome age gap relationships with people, some the age I am currently. Now I'm a woman in my mid 40s who couldn't even entertain the idea of dating someone in such a different stage of life.
felt this. when i was 15 i “dated” a 24 year old and when i hit 24 myself, it really put how awful that was into perspective. i can’t imagine even LOOKING at a 15 year old in that way much less pursuing them.
as an (unfortunately) long standing jesse rutherford fan, i can promise you any song released by him independently will make you want to put your ears through a cheese grater. I wont say the neighbourhood makes objectively good music at all, but i do think any talent/fame through their past hits deserve to be attributed to anyone BUT jesse because his independent work has been garbo since the beginning 😭
Omg I’m so glad I’m not the only one. I listened to his first solo release and that was enough for me. It was so bad. There wasn’t a single song I remember liking.
exactly he's always been bad. I remember born to be blonde was SO bad but the solo album and tour after (which i sadly attended) was horrific even compared to this song
It’s such a yikes for me bc I used to be a huge The Neighbourhood fan about 6 years ago when I was 15/16. I am older than Billie by 5/6 days if I remember correctly and the fact that Jesse knew her when she was 16 and still thought it was appropriate to have a relationship with her is genuinely shocking.
He’s been going insane since his whole chipchrome phase. People aren’t attacking him enough honestly they’re all telling Billie she’s getting groomed instead of telling the groomer that he’s a creep and maybe don’t date girls 10 years younger than you ???
_"I pulled his ass"_
No, girl.
He pulled you and made you think it was your idea...
Gaslighting basically
I told a friend gently that i felt like her bf groomed her. She was like 15 he was 18 (same age as me at the time they met) not too bad of a difference, but enough. She said the same thing, that she groomed him. It broke my heart
@@jessi7405dam that sucks, I hope she's doing ok and hopefully realized what happened to her.
@@jessi7405 Oh lord... I hope she's doing better now.
I think some victims of grooming know or at least suspect what it's happening to them but tell themselves _"It was my idea"_ _"I'm the one in control"_ as a coping mechanism trying to convince themselves they are safe
@jessi7405 I have a similar story, was unfriended by my friend because I told them that their on and off boyfriend from when we were TWELVE was grooming them. They were 12 and he was like 16. (The on and off thing went from like 12-14). They fr said that they 'didn't deserve him' and 'he was too good for them.' NO TF HE WAS NOT.
They used to claim they were gonna wait until they were 18 and get married and run away together or some shit. Eventually they gave up on the dating thing but they're still friends with him and it disgusts me.
Edit: For clarification, that friend has SA trauma and is attracted to older men cause of it. They've had a crush on a lot of men older than them, including my older brother. The issue here is that the older guys indulge their fantasies and purposefully use their their trauma against them.
As a pedophilia survivor, watching you clown on these predators is honestly kinda therapeutic
it’s fr cathartic
Sameeee!! 😂😂🤌🏻
Get em, Cooper!!
I am so sorry for that
I agree, like justice is served type feeling,
I wish for you to be okay
Jesse is the prime example of someone who gaslights their victim into believing he’s a catch.
In this scenario is someone a victim?
@@goforward8697Billie is
@@goforward8697idk if TH-cam gives notifications for when you dislike a comment, but just in case they don’t: I disliked your comment
@@healthycathy9782 ilym 😋
I read this as Jesus…
"when she gaga on my goo" sent me so hard & fast I audibly gagged in disgust lmaoooo
Disgusting, yes
I’ll say it, any grown adult that waits for someone to become legal age before they date IS a predator
he was in a 7 year long relationship with Devon Lee Carlson, look it up bae
@@zosiuniaa3what you said makes it worse
@@Savageeye and why is that?
@@fdrez ?? i just don't understand why the fact he's been with devon makes anything worse bae
@@zosiuniaa3 because why wait until someone is a legal adult to be with them when you're in a relationship with someone else. SO hypothetically if what the previous comment said was true, your reply just made the statement of the first comment a worse reality.
The whole legal age thing is just admitting that the only thing stopping them from dating a child is the social and legal repercussions
this needs to be a higher comment because the people who say that they're both legal adults would go lower if they could.
they do go lower. They're going lower every day. Just no one talks about it and the victims prefer silence.@@aishasangle7401
YES
17 isn't a child the same way 10 years old is a child. I feel like people try to make that equivalence all the time. Starting from 13 you are a teenager, not a child. As soon as people get to the age where they want fake IDs to buy alcohol, they aren't innocent like a kindergartener learning their ABCs anymore. That's what it feels like people are saying when they try to say that a 17 year old and 364 days is a child. You can't fuck around, smoke weed, and drink alcohol illegally with your same age peers while maintaining the innocence status of a 5 year old. lol
It's scary because there are probably many such males around us....
Jessie Rutherford just being known as Billie's ex boyfriend is so funny to me
For real
Can we call him that exclusively now
Like he's not known as himself but as Billie's creepy ex
tbh i didnt even know he was from the neighbourhood until cooper said that....i always addressed him as billie's bf ( now ex bf)💀
I genuinely did not know his name until this video. I knew the Neighborhood but never had any interest in who was behind it
yeah I had no idea what his name was but I knew he's her ex 😂 and I am not even a Billie fan
I've never heard of him or his band whatsoever, so hes literally just Billie's perverted ex boyfriend to me.
waiting for someone to "turn legal" to date them is kinda the definition of grooming
Watching her brag about "pulling him" is horrifically tragic. It's such a perfect example of grooming. The bredator makes the victim feel so special, that they get together, the victim feels like they got the prize! I was there. I was 15 when I met a 21 year old, and I felt so cool. When he got me cigs and alcohol, I just felt like I was so special and that's why he picked me.
Same here! 14 with me. Gave me drugs and alcohol when I wanted them. I felt grown up saying I loved him back in exchange for sexual stuff without the sex. Typical groomer stuff lmaoo
@@cp.ngoose1178 so sorry hun ): hopefully you have healed and had healthy relationships with yourself and other since then 💜💜 I didn't even come to terms with how bizarre it was until I was over 21. I realized wait wtf?? I would never date a child, never sneak them out of their house, never feed them alcohol/cigs/weed, that was weird af and messed up!!
Mine was online and I was like 9 (the guy was 18 or 19). I almost gave him my address so we could "meet up." So glad my parents got me off that app.
I feel like this entire saga was just me watching billie have her fun, while holding my breath. This ending was as predictable as 2+2…
Me too. I was 14, he was 20, he gave me drugs, and then at 15 he gave me a baby, intentionally. We got away from him when I was 18. I love my daughter, but f you Stephen Douglas Clark Jr, you should be in prison 🖕
The fact that Jesse is now known as billies creepy ex and not as the voice of the neighbourhood is honestly hilarious. He deserves it 100%, and as someone who was obsessed with Jesse when I was 13 it’s just so funny to see. He’s had young girls wrapped around his finger for years now and I’m glad he’s being exposed.
Tbh I didn’t even know who he was and now i think I may have to delete the few songs I have now knowing that 😢
Funny thing is it has to be the only band where the main singer isnt well known put that man infront of the whole fanbase 1 or 2 people would know its him
@@dynogamergurl My biggest fumble has to be enjoying their songs
@@dynogamergurl I enjoy some of their songs but exclusively in the slowed+reverb or remixed kind, so I'm free of guilt😎👉👉
@@Vamptrewhile funny this is not true at all... been a part of the fanbase since 2013 and everyone has always wanted Jesse and screamed over him specifically at the shows
As a lesbian I will never EVER understand how the most gorgeous majestic women get with guys who look like sewer rats
Same😂. Did you notice how you never see the opposite?
Lmao fr
not a lesbian but oh my god YES its insane to me like
@@rose-yeah You do realize that you are saying that sapphic women never date non attractive women or that non attractive sapphic women are doomed to be alone, right? That is not really a flex.
@@cidevant002there’s a difference between being unattractive and looking like a sewer rat.
3:04 To quote Billie Eilish Therefore I Am: “Top of the world, but your world isn’t real”. QUEEN!!!
Society has made women feel shameful of the trauma they endure, blaming them instead of their abuser. When a women is SA'd, they are told it's their fault, and that they were "asking for it" or they "knew what they were getting into" when in reality, they are coerced, gaslit, and shamed: making it difficult to speak up for themselves or get the help they need. Most aren't even aware they're being abused until it is too late.
fr it's so awful
@@angelicfrogsss87 I know, it's horrible.
Frrr
Like I hate that ppl always got to make it the women's fault, especially when they're victims of like s abuse/assault. "You shouldn't have talked to him", "you shouldn't have dressed like that", "you shoulda said no", "you shouldn't have been alone", like shut tf up. It's never the fuking victims fault, y'all just protecting r@pists, and abusers.
Its disgusting, really. :(
great point, terrible wording
"He's not a groomer, just a loser" I'm dead😂😂😂
Imagine getting a ❤ by Cooper. I envy you 😢
Cooper is never letting that go😂
YOU! YOUR PFP, I LOVE YOUR PFP
@@jessdubscomics1698 thanks 😊
JIM FROM TREASURE PLANET
I cannot with Cooper. He is NEVER letting Colleen Ballinger’s “apology” (it is anything but that) song go. 😭
Who would let that go?
Can’t say I blame him 😂 it lives rent free in my head and I’m mad about it 💀
It's catchy! It's a bop.
I think that song is stuck in everyone’s head- including mine-
It lives rent free in our minds.
the thing that bothers me is that billie was literally the person who talked about not understanding why "gorgeous women get with ugly men", and how those ugly men get such an ego boost from dating a pretty girl, and go treat other women like shit. she KNEW these situations. but unfortunately being in the situation can be a lot different than simply seeing it.
she 9 times out of 10 prob does not see herself as one of those gorgeous women. and boy oh boy is she fucking gorgeous. we’re (as women) always tryna compare ourself to the next and rnd up overlooking our beauty. it sucks cuz i find myself doing it ALL the time.
ikr its just like how u can be telling ur friend about all the red flags in their relationship and tell them to leave but once ur in it u dont see em or ignore even if u said youd never tolerate them
I don’t think she sees herself as we do. He was also really old and groomer-y
She thinks he's hot tho 😂
lmao in what world billie is a gorgeous woman? If you go ask any man about her beauty they will mostly likely give her a solid 6
The way people who have been taken advantage of through their childhood end up falling for people who are still terrible just because they seem so much better in comparison is heartbreaking, I hope Billie finds a good person one day
Fr
Oh God, having someone else spell it out like that really gave me the ick about my age 18 abusive relationship with a 28 year old man. Gross.
She said in an interview a few years ago that she likes / is attracted to "dangerous people" ... she has been with people older than her since she was 16. At 16/17 she was with an abusive 20-year-old guy and is also been raped Etc and at 19 with one of 30 (Like Beyoncé and her husband Jayz) and then at 21 with one of 30 .. now she's an adult and she can do what she wants even more😅 .. and her parents could never stop her because Billie like many people and teenagers if she want to do something she will do it even in secret and it would have been worse…
in the end it's her life, her choices and her consequences .. it's none of our business her relationships 😅 people should only be interested in their music not the private life of celebrities . Who cares. It's her choice at the end, if she is ok with that, who cares.
It's not even better. It's just how people who have controlling mothers end up with controlling wives/partners. People gravitate toward what they know, unfortunately. It's called a cycle for a reason. :/
(probably preaching to the choir but you feel me)
thats what happened to me. Gina told me she had been watching me since I was 14 and walked away without any consequences. Now I stay home and am told to be grateful for the opportunity to be lonely. Yay
The fact that Jesse Rutherford isn’t even the worst person she’s dated :(
edit: for those who don’t wanna look in the replies to this comment for the explanation, here you go!
I was referring to this one rapper named Brandon Quention Adam’s (he goes by the stage name 7:AMP) that she dated way back when she was just starting in music. They met and dated when she was 16, and he was 22. I'm pretty sure he groomed her. It’s highly speculated that Billie’s song “Your Power” is about him and how unbalanced the power dynamic in their relationship was.
hes still a creep :(
I’ve heard that she has dated worse ppl but I’m not sure who cuz idk her dating life other than this dude, mind lmk who?
I feel so bad for billie
whats with the fact?
@@kieran.owen2002 this one guy named Q that she dated way back when she was just starting in music. They met and dated when she was 16, and he was 22. I'm pretty sure he groomed her.
Billie unfortunately has been in relationships with way older, predatorish men since she was about 16, and she even wrote a couple songs about being abused and talked vaguely about it in interviews :( and it keeps happening to her. I hope she heals
I just wish she would listen to the people around her. Everyone else seems to see the problem
Yeah that’s the sad part :(
@@srrynnie1818when you get highly successful and rich as a teenager you would probably start to feel like an adult because your making your own money and getting popularity and do wild things I probably would to if I became famous/rich
@@princessatheexoticalyea this is why we shouldn’t have child stars imo. It’s just sets you up for failure in so many ways
Likely before even that-
You are literally the only TH-camr I can actually sit through a full video and watch nowadays because your adhd keeps my adhd in a chokehold
LITERALLY
Judging by Billie's lyrics even before meeting him, she's the kind of person who's vulnerable to exploitation in relationships and showbiz is notorious for allowing creeps to sex literal children. This whole situation may be legal, but it's still disgusting.
Yup, legal doesn't mean moral. There are all sorts of sick, twisted things that are technically legal.
she’s been in manipulative/grooming relationship before :/
*infamous
@yarajennn it kinda does since nuance is needed
it also doesn't help people on the internet have been sexualizing her and waiting for her to turn 18
Its so crazy that even SHE said she didnt know how ugly men pulled beautiful women and then became an example of that 😭 BEFORE THEY DATED
Right 😭😭😭
Women really are living with their eyes glued shut. They don't see or hear anything until it happens to them firsthand. It's time to start learning from other women's mistakes. This shit is exhausting and timeless.
And she said he was the hottest person in the world- so I guess she figured it out 😭
but to be fair, he didn't look this (in the picture) when they started dating and tbh I really don't think he looked bad. So I understand what she saw. His behavior was disgusting nonetheless
@@someonesomewhere7150 beauty is in the eye of the beholder for sure. But that’s the point. I’m not blaming her at all.
can we stop thinking that 18-21 yos are immediately mentally grown and cant be taken advantage of like an underage person? like we should try to protect them from creeps half their age too, even if its legal is it moral?
true, your brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25. i hate how ppl believe when a 17 turns 18 then they mature "overnight", hence why i think the legal age should be 20 (it already is in certain countries)
FOR REAL. I’m 23 rn and 18 year olds look like children to me. I myself probably look like a child to a 28 year old yk.
THANK YOU
Stop infantilizing grown ass women. Seriously, STOP.
Yeah anyone under 25 being with someone a year + is SO SKETCH.
The goo part 😭😭 “are you out of your mind” I’m actually in tears
I want every teen girl to know that THIS is what we adult women see when we warn you from the beginning. Your mind isn’t finished growing to see this ending coming. But once it is a bit more developed.. you will 9 times out of 10 come to this conclusion and realize that we were not trying to be mean, we simply saw something you didn’t, from past experience. Please please listen to the people who care about you. We’re not jealous, we’re angry at predators. We’re passionate about protecting our inner child and yours. I’m glad she saw this sooner rather than later.
We really need to cultivate more cross-generational friendships among women so we trust each other.
Yeah I too warn younger people now when I hear sth sus, most of the ppl a few years younger than me can listen but I can’t lie it’s so frustrating when you have a friend younger than you and thinks you’re a hater because you get major creep vibes from the man hitting on them 🧍
@@AstraeaAntiopeDepends here. My thing is, if the younger person was 21 or older when the couple met, I mind my business. But if the situation is like Billie's and Jesse's...then yeah, that's something to worry about
@@peytoncollins3962 All the age-gap folks I have known have been 16 with 21 (a couple of those), 14 with 21 (she thought the school would approve a dance bid so she could bring that loser to homecoming😅), 16 with 26. Every single one had older women speak up and none listened. They don't even listen to each other or themselves, both Olivia Rodrigo and Billie Eilish now have well-known songs on the subject.
I just wonder if it is the patriarchal narratives of "women are catty and jealous and in competition for male attention" and "older women are just jealous because men don't think they're hot anymore" that keep us from trusting each others' wisdom.
exactly this! it's so difficult for them to understand that our criticisms actually come from a place of love and genuine concern for their well being, I honestly don't know how to properly approach them about this issue other than clowning on these creeps until they realize how they're being manipulated by them.
Billie: " I pulled his ass. All me, I did that shit. "
Us: " Is that supposed to be a flex? He's legit terrifying. "
She didn't pull anything he's dragging her around
he fr look like if beetlejuice was in an alley shooting up heroin
The sudden silence in the studio before everyone caught on the fact that she wanted an applause for pulling "that" is hilarious lmao
Like, I imagine them looking at each other like 👀👀👀
Right? Everyone was like, " mmkay sweetie, we're calling Dr. Joyce Brothers. You clearly aren't thinking straight.@@DeadKraken
I thought it said "he's LEGALLY terrifying" and honestly? still holds true.
I wish the law actually did something about obvious groomers like him... because he should be on a list, and he should be classified as legally a creep.
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@@scorpiosithim pretty sure he’s like 6’2-
@@Mo0n_LighT965 America's tallest baby girl.
@@scorpiosith in every way except physical
You kept jumpscaring with that fucking picture😭💀
HONESTLY
I dated a 33 yo when I was 20 and literally understand what she went thru. I felt like I was more mature than my peers and was intrigued by his age. I fell into a sub/dom relationship with him and all the times he’d call me little one, etc never clicked of how gross it was till after looking back. You start to blame yourself because you went into it willingly but it’s crazy what manipulation can do to a young person. :/
I feel you. I dated a 30 yo when i turned 19 and at first he seemed pretty creeped out at the idea, but then he started buying me stuff, taking me everywhere i couldn't afford even the cheapest thing. I felt so special because someone of that age was interested in me with so many options out there. Today i can see the power dynamics, how i changed my personality to fit into his life and not "make a fool" of myself, i tried to be a 30 yo and fulfill his desires, even the ones i was weirded out or didn't like at all. At that time no one ever told me he was taking advantage of me, but all the time i heard i was weird for dating an older man.
i did the same. a whole ordeal of me, 18-21, being with a 30 year old and it was so hard and stressful. Especially when theyre a person who doesn’t respect your boundaries. They manipulated me to do so many things that i regret very much. I wasnt and still am not emotionally mature enough to deal with what they were putting me thru and all their own issues they had as well. so miserable
Wanna just note that dom/sub relationships aren’t inherently toxic or unhealthy. It’s the age gap.
Young n dumb just how they like it
@@goblinguy3103 preach
I can't believe that he, a man in his 30's is being SO immature about their breakup when Billie who is literally in her early 20's is being civil and trying to keep him as a friend
I think its because he is in his 30s and he feels this is 'his only chance'
It's very easy to believe, which is why dating is the way it is, and why more women are choosing to stay single. Absolutely none of this behavior is shocking or surprising to me; it's business as usual.
@@MaynardsSpaceshipMuch more single men than women and women tend to date older men so I think you’re wrong about that.
@@Promethazin3women date older men bu about 2 to 5 years. It's still statistically a small percentage of people who date way outside of their age group.
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As a lesbian, I have no clue how CRUSTY DUSTY MUSTY SEWER CREATURES can pull LITERAL GODDESSES 💀💀💀
Why are you elevating her to the stature of a goddess? Unhealthy idolization type shit.
I KNOW WHAT FHE FUCK IS JESSE?! BILLIE IS SO ATTRACTIVE 😭😭😭
Because they like their personality? Just because you don't find him attractive doesn't mean that others do as well. Also, there is no need to shame them about their looks, it's more important to know about their personalities.
@@redmist2053his personality is grooming?
@@redmist2053 considering that guys personality? nope
The reoccurring cut to him twerking singing Kelly Clarkson is taking me out 😂
"she gaga on my goo" is one of the funniest fucking phrases ive ever read in my life im not even kidding
NO BECAUSE jesse literally had to think that up and pitch that to someone…. “here’s my new song” and NO ONE flinched when he sang that line 😭
I heard that and just thought why would he put that in if he WASN'T making a googoo gaga reference 😬
When you came to the video thinking "another celebrity creep, how surprising" and then you realize he's the singer of the neighborhood
What 😃
Bro fr me
WHAT
I’m still in shock honestly (still will listen to their songs)
Fr I was like no way not my idol
one of THE cringiest things i have seen from billie is her yearly interview and her giving herself a round of applause for snatching up this dude.... oh the cringe. you just looked at her and thought: oh sweetie...... in time you will see.... lol but that's the point!!!!! that's why you don't date younger girls or boys!!! bc they literally don't know any better. but YOU as the adult should :/
Just think, in few years she will do another interview where she has to look back at that! I hope she is getting really great therapy.
Yeah and she idolized him, She said in an interview She said The Neighborhood was her favorite band when she was 12, and the first concert she ever went to, She said that the concert inspired a lot of her live shows. I feel so bad people are blaming her for being taken advantage of, like Imagine if you got to date your celebrity crush you would be so starstruck and blind-sighted to see what was actually happening. He is a disgusting person and I feel so bad for Billie:(
Yesss!
The "gaga on my goo" is creepiest because of their joint Halloween costume
reminds me of when adults go up to children and say "i'll come back for you when your 18" at the mall then walk away
WTF?? WHY????
HUH?????
WHEN DOES THIS HAPPEN
@@alien_liwil saw it on a post somewhere once where this lady walked up to this guy and his nephew at the mall and said "aww i'm coming back for you when your 18, save him for me okay?" and then walked away lol
@@ejisani wtf💀 i misunderstood the message but this is worse. How can humanity keep getting more fucked up😭
As a jewish person, thank you for protecting us from kanye
As a human person, we all need to be protected from Kanye at this point. Including Kanye.
YEAH!! i felt so spoken to when he made the call out, he did not need to do that but i thank him for it as a fellow jew
Fr and Kanye needs to stay away from the black community too with his white lives matter bullshit 🫠
Stfu the World need a protection about y’all
A man this aware and defensive of victims makes me feel so safe honestly. Ik I’m just one person but I really appreciate you and how you use your platform to call out stuff like this. It seriously matters to a lot of us, we’re just silent about it.
Less silent every day :) having people who aren‘t survivors bring up the topic and platform survivors is helping. ❤
At the end of the day ~ you can have this facade of condolence but you haven't a clue what he does behind closed doors. Men will condemn these practices in one breath but still keep a toddler in their basement and touch them when no one is looking.
Also maybe stop being silent. All of us. Our collective silence tears a hole even if it's relatively unseen.
@@anotherdeadgrl damn u got bitter so fast
Some of us have tried to not be silent and it made it worse. For my own mental health I choose to keep to myself and try to be peaceful. Everyone is on their own journey and at this point in time, I will call out what’s wrong when it matters but useless comments and fights online isn’t for me
Oh also y’all have me wrong LOL I meant that we’re silently appreciating the channel not that I don’t like call out f’ed up stuff irl
Not her actually humbling him in "L'Amour de ma vie" im satisfied 😊
12:40 “blew up by myself i feel like a creeper” because creepers in minecraft blow themselves up and he’s also creepy for dating billie eilish even though he met her as a minor
Billie Eilish may not understand it or admit it now but as someone who went through the exact same thing as her with my ex-husband eventually she needs to realize that she was gr00med, and she wouldn't have thought he was attractive if he hadn't made an emotional connection with her from a young age. Guys like him know how to do this and do it all the time too lots and lots of people and you are absolutely not wrong for saying that it's creepy and that it should never have happened. It's one thing if someone who is in their 20s meet someone who's older and they hit it off but if you are a literal teenager and a grown adult is trying to be your friend and starts wanting to date you right after you turn eighteen or nineteen, please just be aware that they had inappropriate thoughts about you when they met you but they didn't want to get arrested. Nobody dress wakes up one day and start seeing their much younger friend who they knew since that person was a child as a potential dating partner unless they had already considered that person a potential dating partner when they first met.
He's a fucking creep and people have every right to call him one.
agreed. Age gap relationships aren't inherently toxic and manipulative, but they can EASILY turn that way, both people have to be open and aware of the power dynamic and make sure that the older person is letting the younger one be their own person and not control them.
but underage? no. 100% not ok. its grooming. maybe if they waited a long ass time, like the teen got into their 30s and then they wanted a relationship, the younger person is older and understands this shit and is a complete adult now, but if you meet a teen and then you two wanna date as soon as they hit adult? nope. turn that shit down.
@@ZectifinI’m 30 and am dating a 45 year old man, do you think that could easily turn toxic? 😂😂
@@maddieb.4282 that's obviously really different because you have a fully developed brain and enough life experience to make better/safer decisions. also it's easier to be in the same "life stage" as another adult once you're 30 and know what you want.
@@maddieb.4282I think they made it very clear what they considered toxic, and your relationship clearly doesn't meet the criteria.
She has a song called POWER which is basically about being groomed.. and then she dated this guy... it's kinda crazy to me
daddy issues is my second favorite song of all time. it’s been my comfort song for years so hearing about all of this was so upsetting. i related to the lyrics and i remember people were sexualizing them and i thought they were ridiculous. i looked at the lyrics more intensely and i thought it was a little off but i tried to excuse it and i was in denial. but now it puts the song in a whole different perspective. especially with his new lyrics… it’s so disgusting and i hate that that song meant so much to me. the neighborhood is also my #1 favorite band so.. ugh…
i feel you :( their music has always been what i listen to when im at my lowest
Felt. Their music is beautiful, however he is NOT 💀
@@shay6565 very true in many ways 😁😁!!
@@dawnbreeze222 🫂💞
Yeah. As soon as I found out that Jesse was the singer for the neighborhood and when they met I got weirded out. I was just listening to pretty boy. So I just kinda feel off since I listen to the band everyday :/
Sadly this is the most “i told you so” moment. When millions of people are concerned and telling you this dude is a predator, and you mock them by purposely dressing as a baby & old man for Halloween… very embarrassing for her looking back on all this. And unfortunately that’s how the cookie crumbles. Hope she learns her lesson from this. And i hope that dude falls in a hole or something.
yes...and yes !!
Y’all are being weird asf to a victim of grooming. You don’t go “I told you so” to someone who has experienced that type of abuse. You really don’t care for her well-being
@@Girlbffr98 it is very true that such a response (that i think you’re referencing) isnt good for situations like this, I don’t believe the intention was to say one should explicitly go “I told you so” to a victim.
Cuz really, it’s the truth. An “i told you so moment” is when you point smthin out that u think is “truth”, it is bypassed as incorrect, but later comes out to be correct. It doesnt need to be something crude or inappropriate (such as rubbing it into someone’s face), it can quite literally just be an observation
I think that was her trying to flex the idea that she was a grown woman and she can make her own choices. Obviously that comes with consequences and I feel bad about what happened to her. Hopefully that experience will help her focus on healthy relationships. I did the same thing at her age and i think a lot of people do.
Your comment is so unnecessary judgmental lowkey
I would be INFURIATED if my ex described that I had “Gaga[-ed] on [his] goo,” but more than anything, I’d be MORTIFIED *FOR HIM.* How could anyone ever think that that’s a good line deserving to be within a song, let alone one meant to diss your ex! It’s so gross & childish. The obvious sexual meaning (even though I’m not exactly sure what it means though I know it’s sexual) makes it so creepy due to the age gap, which honestly I wouldn’t be that perturbed by if they met when both were adults. Something about meeting a minor, particularly when there’s a large age gap, & seemingly waiting for the person to come to age so they can date.
Men don't care because most men are disgusting creatures. Cooper is more self aware and less disgusting than 95% of men
just from first impression i assume it’s a blowjob joke
(content warning) Oh my god, I recognized gaga on my goo immediately as oral sex, but I didn't put two and two together that he was making a play on baby talk like googoo gaga, totally demented.
@@_CallMeRexI thought he was talking about lady gaga 💀
@@_CallMeRexI immediately clocked it as a play on baby talk after reading the OP comment and it just...yikes
the way she’s been gaslit to think she pulled him instead of being groomed is so sad to me.
nothing will ever top the insane lyricism of "she Gaga on my goo"
Idc if you're the most amazing singer and have the most angelic voice in the universe you ARENT getting away with that
one thing about predators will do is make their victims like they're "mature" or "in charge " to get control on them.
the beginning photo of him needed a jump scare warning 😔
😮💨
This really sucks to hear, I’ve been a long time fan of the neighborhood. I hated it when Jesse and Billie got together cause I knew this was going to be the outcome. I hate it when my favorite artists are revealed to be total creeps 😢
Literally I feel the same way! I knew it was a bad idea from the start 😔 gotta change my pfp now
Felt 😢
Fr my heart is so broken. This was the only band I ever felt love for genuinely and now seeing this happen
Creep for what ? Wanting to be in a relationship?!
FR SAME 😀😀😀 I'M SO 😟
FINALLY HE'S BEING DRAGGED. I got major red flags from him ever since that interview and felt so bad for her. Too bad it took this long for ppl to finally call him out but at least they are
yeah her saying that feels off even if they were the same age, the fact that hes like my age is all the more creepy.
You honestly are one of the few men on the internet who I actually feel like is safe- thank you for being you!
I didn’t fully realize and accept that I was groomed until this year at age 22… there’s a reason why children CANNOT consent. My mom, teachers, friends parents have always said I’m very “mature for my age”
I was not. I was the eldest daughter of 4 that was parentified early and ostracized later. Got blamed, punished, held responsible for everything and everyone’s shit.
Everyone constantly told me how I was mature I got catcalled and approached randomly way more as a child and literally every time I got any sort of sexual attention i guess
That makes it okay that he’s in love with his 14 year old daughter’s bestie? And he used drugs and cigarettes and alcohol to gain her trust and have a reason to be in the garage for hours
and he’s a 60 yr old married man with ajust didn’t apply to me and I never saw myself as a victim or told anyone about it until I was 19
If ANYONE tells you you’re so mature for your age please don’t accept it as praise and do not trust that person. to look at a child and see extremely adult behaviors, it’s honestly concerning and sad, it is not impressive. unless you’re a predator there’s literally no reason to encourage the adultification of children
There are certain things you just can’t understand before you develop, no matter how much “experience” you think you have. That experience of yours will become a lot more than that as you grow into your 20s
Now you see what really happened and it affects you more than you used to think. It used to be easy. Now
even in prisons where addicts, murderers, human traffickers, etc, basically the “worst people” in our society have absolutely zero tolerance for hurting children.
Let me try to understand this. So there's an older man that comes by and tells you that you are mature, then you go through the motions of a relationship as usual. Next, you find someone your own age who probably says some things to try to charm you in the same way, and you guys go through the motions of a relationship. What's the difference beyond placing a negative stigma on the age gap? I'm talking about age gap relationships with people above the age of consent here. I don't think there's much of a difference beyond the social pressure of feeling like an age gap is bad. Otherwise, you just have two people of legal age socializing in the way that you do within a relationship.
@@chimera5542 just say you want to defend men going after younger unexperienced girls as if that was normal, no need to write all this wall of text of bs.
@@icebear394 What about a girl's naivete suggests that the relationship has to be exploitative if there's an age gap though? It almost implies that the man is taking advantage because the girl could do better and bag a more attractive man. I get that, but that's not on the level of creepy criminal offensive that it's made out to be. So yeah, a girl gets into a relationship, she has sex with the guy, and then they break up. How is that any different when there's an age gap or not?
addicts, murderers, human traffickers lmao
Maybe besides the point but people who use drugs are NOT among the "worst people in society" what the hell dude.
Rutherford looks like if a Tim Burton character was a crack addict
CRYING but also yes (and to think that i used to be a huge The Neighborhood fan :( ) i am so up for dunking on him
WHY IS THIS SO ACCURATE
IM HOWLING
HELP
Nah he looks like Chris Kattan if he were a millennial coked out rapper
'when she gaga on my goo' what if i threw up
I love that the fact that Cooper doesn’t edit out the super random rants he goes on 😂
BILLIE WAS 11 in 2013. She’s a December birthday!! SHE WAS 11 for the 11.5 months of the year.
First*
WHAT?! THATS FUCKED UP
How is Billie, the same chick who said something along the lines of "don't date ugly guys," gonna literally date an ugly guy. 💀
That’s because beauty is in the eye of the beholder :)
She was literally groomed tf u talking abt 💀
@@hard.g0re I was literally groomed as well, lmfao?
I was simply joking about the hypocrisy. 💀
@@_The_Lizard_KingI think they were talking about the first reply. I'm sorry but the response got me cackling 😭😭😭
@@hard.g0re I was answering the question of why someone would date an ugly guy, not specifically why Billie dated him, she was groomed.
Watching Billie get victimized like that was pretty chilling. It’s so weird seeing it happen, understanding exactly what’s going on, but not being able to do anything. So much unnecessary trauma. I just hope she’s not as scarred as I was when I was her age-I was victimized by a 41-year-old sociopath. I’m still dealing with the trauma to this day, and I’m 31 now. I’ve been through a lot in my life, including heroin addiction and homelessness, but being preyed on by a much older man was definitely the most disturbing experience I’ve had. Whenever I get flashbacks I squeeze my eyes shut and shudder. It’s intense. Anyway, hope she’s okay.
im so prpud of how far youve come❤ youre doing amazing :)
@@meowwwuh That’s so sweet, thank you. I never hear sweet sentiments like that, lol. Are you an H3 fan by chance?
Remember that you’re not alone and you’re not stuck in the past anymore. The past can hurt, and it can flash up around you, but you have to ground yourself in the present until you feel like you’re back in the room.
You’re only 31 and already been through so much…The fact that you had overcome all that is a testament that you can get anywhere you want in life. Pls don’t let these experiences keep you down. Instead use them as a motivator knowing your strength and amazing abilities. You DESERVE success and happiness
so glad you’re here to tell us your story now. what you said about watching it happen and knowing the outcome is so real… when i saw that halloween costume my stomach just turned for her because it was just so gross and an open flex for him
The Neighborhood, y'know like the thing he should legally have to walk around notifying people when he moves into.
This comment would be so funny, if you weren't so right .
Remember, she mocked people tryna tell her he's a creep by dressing up as a baby while he dressed up as an old man. Which imo is offensive asf to all the people who have went through grooming or being molested
Never said she wasn't a victim just noted she fully mocked victims of pedophilia because of what people were tryna tell her. It's fine that she didn't listen or made jokes but her costume was disgusting and too far.
I wouldn't be surprised if he convinced her to dress like that
@@arsena5209i hope i wasn’t her idk
It was a very "I'm not like the other girls" attitude on her part
bro... no... this is not the take lol
she was a victim tho, ofc she used to think everyone was wrong and he was right
And she went on to ask ppl to applaud for her for dating him and it was so awkward😭😭😭
Idk if the ppl behind the cameras actually did that but like wow what simps that she tells you to clap And you just do it to feed her ego about a man! Not even about her music!
@@ynat2198I don't think it's that deep. It would have been far more awkward if they didn't clap lol
@@ynat2198bro that part wasn’t that deep 😭
@@ynat2198 they're interviewers being nice to an ultra famous person. simping is part of the job and they wanna stay employed.
She probably didn’t know abt that
That man (Billies ex bf) needs to apologise to Lady Gaga for using ‘Alejandro’ for that awful line lmao
yes he needs to be jailed for tainting her majesty’s music like that 😟
@@tangerine1884I'm sorry, "her majesty"?
Fr as soon as a saw that line my jaw dropped. The disrespect to our queen 😭
@@flwrsforvardalet ppl love what they love. get over it
@@hadesisbaby There's nothing to get over. It's straight up unhealthy idolization.
NO WAY I LOVE THE NEIGHOURDHOOD WHYY
SAME IM DEVASTATED
me too i try to separate the art from the artist but it's getting hard lmao
i know right i cant even look at him the saame anymore like this is truly depressing.
The drummer also apparently sexually assaulted another celebrity, you annlook more into it.
it sucks cuz i love the songs so much :(
At 19 had a 25 year old bf
Biggest mistake of my life
Worst abuse I've endured
Thank you for this therapy
PS: I’m not well but I’ll be alright
Update: doing splendid and found a much better partner with a 2 year age gap
Praying that you heal and find your happiness again sweetheart ❤
Hope you are doing better
Thank you for the well wishes. I’m still recovering as it is a fresh breakup. But I’ll be addressing authorities soon.
As someone who was there too, many times. You will know when he's not toxic if you haven't met a healthy partner yet, it will all feel different. Completely different.
Same I was 18 he was 31 we have two children I regret it but then I don’t it made me grow in a way I really needed
Look Bille makes bad relationship choices, but are we just gonna ignore the fact her ex was attracted to her when she was a minor?? It be a little wired for him to find her hot when she was just 18, but the fact it was when she was 16 gives me a gut feeling that this guy gonna groom a kid. If he hasn't done that already.
What a way to ruin the neighborhood.
The fact she also a victim [different guy] makes this 10 times worse. You gotta be a special type of gross to find a young VICTIM attractive and try to get into there pants as soon as they turn 18 or " legal " as these people would say.
i believe a while back, another member of the nbhd sexually assaulted the maria's lead singer :/ so the band is going downhill, if it wasn't already
@@lee2791WAIT WHAT
@@cawingcrows2072yeah, their ex-drummer Brandon SA’d a member of the Maria’s while they were on hiatus and kicked him out of the band. Idk if they found a replacement yet.
@@inked_b1ossom aw fucks sake-- why cant people just be fuckin normal and not attack people 🧍♂️
I haven't finished the video yet but i had to stop and come here to tell every girl just turning 18: if a guy +4 years older than you suddenly shows interest, he is a creep. BE SAFE!!!!! talking from experience
Fr it's like a self report. They basically just said "I was attracted to a minor, and now that they're legal I can shoot my shot".
that and the classic "youre so mature for your age"... i literally had that shit pulled on me and didnt know better because i was 13 😭
everyone pls look out for yourselves, pay attention to red flags, and surround yourself with people you can trust and lean on
My dad's ex best friend literally said
"Oh your legal now." On my 18th birthday
notice how I said ex.
@@ace-of-pentacles-o99 "you're so mature for your age" is literally textbook grooming. 💀
@@n4z1f4 uh huh.
Man, I cried for 4h today and somehow listening to you rambling about this guy suprisingly helped a lot. Thanks man. Love.
I am a 42 year old woman, and I have just subscribed to your channel because your take on Barbie was SO positive and like, made me as an old meemaw age lady feel seen.
Also I saw ONE picture of Billie and that chuck Taylor sneaker soaked in dumpster juice Jesse and I was like, that dude is a CREEP.
Chuck Taylor sneaker soaked in dumpster juice 😭
LORD HELP ME chuck taylor sneaker soaked in dumpster juice is literally the best description you could give someone like him, i love you😭
Girl, you’re not old lol. Chill.
You sound like you’re a great time ! This comment made me lol
What is this trend of you people in your 40s...and even sometimes younger being like...AHH I'm just a granny grandma meemaw old bones rattling old people old OLD. Like, calm down. You're not 70 and you're not that funny.
It’s genuinely so disheartening that she feels/felt like she pulled him. I’ve been the person who didn’t know they were a victim until the damage was already done, and it’s something that takes a lot of therapy and processing to get through it. I just hope she finally finds someone who can treat her the way she needs to be treated, she deserves so much better than what she gets.
10:03, the amount of kenergy in his singing is insane
Fr
Billie. Honey. You deserved better than that... but she broke up with him so clearly she knows that too. HELP.
It sucks how the people around Billie continue to let her put herself in these situations
they're likely the ones who put her there in the first place unfortunately. the hollywood way
I mean it’s the same with every teenager/young adult really. Do adults/parents/everyone else tell them dating their partner is a bad idea? Yes. Does the teenager/young adult listen to them? No. After all, Billie is old enough to make her own dating choices- and learn from them (hopefully)
Also, I don't have a problem with huge age gaps (as long as they're consenting adults) but it's always a reg flag when one person in the relationship was under 18 like a few years ago. It feels like they were just patiently waiting for them to be legal and they were like "finally!!"
Quite literally just got out of the hospital. This is the kinda shit I need to cheer me up.
Are you okay??
You good?
hugs
this is sad cuz the neighbourhood is my all time favorite alternative band ever
8:46 The funniest thing about that lyrics is the fact that she probably has the best relationship with her father ever. Like wtf? Do ur damn research about the people you date.
“If she’s at the bottom then you’re at the earths core” 😂😂😂 6:30
How’d he pull a girl like her💀
Edit:136 likes already?! This was like 5 minutes ago
Fr💀
fr 💀💀💀
his ex girlfriend dove was gorgeous too
RIGHT? LIKE??? she’s a queen
I refuse to believe anyone would date that mf willingly
Cool video, My relationship of 5 years ended a month ago. The love of my life decided to leave me, I really love her so much I can’t stop thinking about her, I’ve tried my very best to get her back in my life, but to no avail, I’m frustrated, I don’t see my life with anyone else. I’ve done my best to get rid of the thoughts of her, but I can’t, I don’t know why I’m saying this here, I really miss her and just can’t stop thinking about her
its difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation, my relationship of 12 years ended, but i couldnt just let her go i did all i could to get her back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual counselor who helped me bring her back
Amazing, how did you get a spiritual counselor, and how do i reach her?
Her name is chamani White, and she is a great spiritual counselor who can bring back your ex.
Thank you for this valuable information, i just looked her up now online. impressive
You posted this exact, same thing on one of Dr. John Maloney's videos, along with the same, exact reply that's basically an ad for some grifter spiritual counselor. Phony as the day is long. What's the deal?
how does billie keep dating bad people someone let her breathe
also the alejandro line is FOUL he needs to leave the premises immediately
Let her breathe when she chooses to date them?
no yeah you bring the best point because now i'm wondering WHY for what reason does she date them like do they hide their behavior for a while or what @@kittyfries13
@@kittyfries13she was groomed* actually
When you're as famous as she is everyone around you just wants to take advantage of you
you know it’s gonna be a good day when cooper posts ❤❤
Fr
Agreed ❤❤❤❤
ong ❤
Mhm
I'm 29 and I will never understand the argument that just because something is legal, that makes it okay. Yes, it was legal for him to date her but it's still so disgusting. I don't even have friends under the age of 26, nevermind dating someone a decade younger. That is straight up disgusting. It's a lot different when you're in your 40s and your partner is in their 30s because at that point, their brain is fully developed and they actually have life experiences comparable to yours.
Facts. But those guys arent that smart or responsible :)
@dacekesane4466 Those guys are definitely that smart. The things they do aren't accidental. They know better.
i'm 27. I look at 22 year olds like they are babies. Literal infants, let alone someone I had met when they were 16. I DON'T UNDERSTAND YT PEOPLE.
@@Iamsylvie.30 Being 27 and even being in this comments sections is creepy AF...gtfo
I once heard someone say that when someone turns 18 they become legal adults for THEMSELVES (legally allowed to make their own decisions like living on their own and health care decisions, etc.) not for creeps to take advantage of them and I think that perfectly describes these types of relationships. Yes it's legal but that doesn't make it right.
I don’t normally think twice about a decade gap between adults. My partner and I are 9 years apart, but we met when I was 23 and he was 32. If you’ve known someone since they were a TEEN and start dating them once they’re legal, we have a word for that, and it’s called orbiting. Goes hand-in-hand with grooming. Complete degenerate behavior.
You are so good. Someone needs to protect Billie, for real. What a nightmare to be sexualized by the whole world at so young. What a nightmare to be predated on by someone you respect so much. I feel and know her pain, and I wish there was something that I could do.
this one really got to me, tbh. TNBHD was a band that got me through rough times as a teen, and "daddy issues" meant the world to me when i grieved my father despite all the abuse i was put through. it resonated with me. and to have this current context put the song into a new light really messes with me. i hope billie heals from this.
my feelings exactly ☹️
i completely understand what you’re feeling, with the comfort their music provided me during my teen years. especially with “daddy issues” for similar reasons. it’s so disheartening to see so many male artists and celebrities we found solace in that end up exposed as creeps. i even had to remove the nbhd (with the don’t play this artist feature) from my spotify acc cause it made me physically ill. it’s just so heartbreaking. i hope you are doing okay. i’m sending virtual hugs w consent your way.
I get what you mean. I still joke that the neighborhood was the “official” soundtrack to my 13 - 17 year old crippling depression era. sweater weather, the beach, rip to my youth, and daddy issues make me tear up to this day because they meant so much to me when I was younger. no other artist understood the specifics of my depressed feelings like they did.
I have a very complicated relationship to my abusive father. daddy issues put all my feelings about my dad to an incredible song; it perfectly described everything I was feeling. and for years I felt like Jesse was the only guy who understood and was sympathetic to the plight of girls traumatized by terrible men. that daddy issues was his way of saying he saw us. he literally said “if you were my little girl, I’d do whatever I could do” and I feel so stupid because I actually believed it.
and honestly, what his newest song tells me is that he likely has no respect for young girls who are abused by older men. male abusers are only a problem when it was about his father mistreating him. that he’s just like every other guy who thinks girls with daddy issues are sexy because we’re fucked up. he has no respect for the young girls who felt seen by daddy issues; that the only way he can appreciate that impact is that it made us wrap around his disgusting fingers. and that he’s just like every guy who puts on a soft-boy pseudo-feminist facade to get girls to think he’s “not like other boys”.
moral of the story: never make a guy the parasocial “only good white guy” of your heart. because he will literally just end up being being another John Mulaney, Brandon Urie, Jesse Rutherford type.
@restingsadface oh i never gave a fuck about the singer, and i couldn't even tell you the names of the other guys in that band. i just really liked the song + their music and now have to think of the guy who sings it being a weirdo every time i listen to it. don't read that much into it lol
you making this video is so fucking therapeutic for me because none of my friends give a shit about celebrity drama but this one hits so close to home & I’ve been needing to rant about it for so long !!! u truly are a feminist icon, ur takes r so refreshing THANK U FOR YOUR SERVICE U TRULY ARE KENOUGH KINGGGGG
DUUUDEEEE it’s so real when you’re so deep into a niche topic and have no one irl who shares ur interest
I went to the music video to hear what it was supposed to sound like and 😭 you make it sound so much better??
Also the comments on that video- are amazing
As someone with parents with a 10 year age gap what he did was just weird……..
It really depends on how old they were when they met and the context to be fair!
@@maddieb.4282 yes I agree
Your username 😭
@@maddieb.4282exactly! my parents met when they were 30/40 and got married a few years later, but at least at that time the maturity level between 30/40 isn’t as large of a gap then 21/31 🤷🏼♀️
Billie and my little sister were friends before she got famous. This puts so so much of this situation in a weirdly personal light for me. I have no idea how her older brother stands having a creep like this around her and BRAGGING about it. (Ik shes an adult and can do what she wants, im just shocked and saddened that no one in her family/life tried to help)
Billie seems like the type of person who might continue to date someone out of spite if too many people in her life pressure her not to. I don't know her, obviously, but some people get a "forbidden fruit" effect like that if pushed too much. Perhaps they were hoping she'd come to the right conclusion on her own.
@@vocexseta i get what ur saying, and yea that might be the case. It just saddens me that all of this is so public, and whatever the reason she was w this guy, its all out there forever now. Shes prob gonna have a different view of this relationship in a few years, if she doesnt already. I would hate to have to look back on a weird relationship/ time of my life not just in my mind but thru news articles and song lyrics and interviews- not to mention everyone online having an opinion on it (and look there i go having an opinion on it)
@@vocexseta100%
Was her family ever like this before fame?? Because they dont seem to be protecting her
Ironically, her brother spoke about it and was supportive of the relationship at first. Which is sad🙃
And about the age gap relationships, Billie is an adult. If she meets an older partner AFTER the age of 21, it will depend on the person. And it isn't illegal.
I feel so bad for billie 😢
I don't think she gives a fuck🤣
Same
Same😢
15:16 I really love the fixation on one clip.
“When I’m alone.”
“Your 31 y/o peasant goo?!!?” - my new insult for everyone who pisses me off without context. Thanks, baby girl 🙏🏽
Fr😂😂😂
So, as someone heavily involved in music/ band/ music production, grooming is unfortunately extremely common. Music gives men like this an excuse to “emotionally connect” with young girls who have talent, it literally happened to me when I was 17. Seeing you call this f**ker out is great, because it makes me think of the way my band director used to act towards me and how ABSURD I’d probably find it if I were to go back and watch his behavior now. I wouldn’t but “gaga on my goo” past him
As an aged GenX gal, in my youth I was in some troublesome age gap relationships with people, some the age I am currently.
Now I'm a woman in my mid 40s who couldn't even entertain the idea of dating someone in such a different stage of life.
@@stephe1506 💜
felt this. when i was 15 i “dated” a 24 year old and when i hit 24 myself, it really put how awful that was into perspective. i can’t imagine even LOOKING at a 15 year old in that way much less pursuing them.
This video is so chaotic and im living for it
as an (unfortunately) long standing jesse rutherford fan, i can promise you any song released by him independently will make you want to put your ears through a cheese grater.
I wont say the neighbourhood makes objectively good music at all, but i do think any talent/fame through their past hits deserve to be attributed to anyone BUT jesse because his independent work has been garbo since the beginning 😭
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Omg I’m so glad I’m not the only one. I listened to his first solo release and that was enough for me. It was so bad. There wasn’t a single song I remember liking.
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exactly he's always been bad. I remember born to be blonde was SO bad but the solo album and tour after (which i sadly attended) was horrific even compared to this song
I liked one song by him when it first came out but like just one and I am done
It’s such a yikes for me bc I used to be a huge The Neighbourhood fan about 6 years ago when I was 15/16. I am older than Billie by 5/6 days if I remember correctly and the fact that Jesse knew her when she was 16 and still thought it was appropriate to have a relationship with her is genuinely shocking.
He’s been going insane since his whole chipchrome phase. People aren’t attacking him enough honestly they’re all telling Billie she’s getting groomed instead of telling the groomer that he’s a creep and maybe don’t date girls 10 years younger than you ???
I found your channel yesterday and I wanna tell you I like your takes, your humor AND your drip.