A bit of bad news, Dallas narrated this video quite a while ago but Canadians and Americans are telling me there have been some big price hikes. 😢 So his comments about the low price don't seem to apply there anymore.
The Motoz Rallz is by far the best tire I ever put on my DR. Sure the Goldenboy 244 is ok too.. but Motoz Rallz is tough and its natural compound not only wears well but sticks well. You can run UHD tubes at low pressure. I run a double Warp 9 rim lock set upon the rear cause I’ve walked a bead with just one. They also don’t chunk and don’t wear funny with lots of slab. The front Ralllz is available in a fatty which is what I use.
Been using the tractionator I/T front and back for a few years now and it's been awesome, fantastic traction everywhere, great wearing and quite robust even against slag rock. Only negative I feel is on street noise. Looking forward to buying a H/T when the set I'm running wears out in two or three more seasons 👍
That's interesting, Scott. I'm just back from a week of riding in the outback. The bike fleet had the Enduro IT fitted and they last really well. After 1000km of road, tracks, rocks and sand the rear was only about 1/3 worn. I didn't notice any tyre noise, but then they had derestricted the exhausts and the 500s were pretty loud. Maybe it drowned out the tyre noise?
I'm using the Arena Hybrid on my 1998 RMX250, feedback from the tyre is awesome, slides predictably and hooks up well, easier to feel the rear brake as well, I run tubliss with 8psi, so far the best tyre I have used, this is for a mix of single track, forestry, 4wd track
I just did the WYBDR on the Desert H/T tires (CRF450L) and they were great. Not very technical riding but loved the grip when it was needed in the loose gravel/sand. Didn't pack up with mud as bad as I thought thy would.
I use these for my adventure WR450F. I really like them but my experience in mud was that they turned into slicks. I love the front but i think ill try something else for the rear next time. Very good wear but i think the rear traction could be a bit better. They are also confidence inspiring on the road (at legal speeds), even when wet.
I only ride once a week and its only around 100ks at most but my motoz tryes have lasted around a year so far and look like they could last about that again. Considering how much road I have to ride to get to riding spots i'm well impressed. For the price they were unbeatable at the tie i bought them. will have to review that when its time to replace them.
I have a tractionator enduro soft in front and an enduro medium in the back of my road legal `22 CRF450X and can say they are great for pretty much anything offroad. I use the bike for light adventure and trail riding. The only complaint is that they are very noisy on road but it's to be expected since they are knobbies. 700 miles on them and the front still looks new. I'll probably get another 7 or 800 out of the rear as well. They're very durable and I've had no chunking at all. I run them at 11 psi for trail and 15 for dual sport riding.
I use the Motoz ADV tires on my 890 and love them. Specifically the RallZ. My go to tire now. Always seems to be stock even during the pandemic when other tires were scarce. Not particularly cheap though.
@@crosstrainingenduro I'm a fat bastard and I got around 4500 kms with significant tarmac abuse. The front will last twice that. Thinking of trying the Dual Venture front next.
I had the mountain hybrid with Tubliss on a YZ250FX. It was night and day compared to the Dunlops that came stock with the bike. I love the MotoZ. It hooked up great and lasted a long time. I highly recommend it.
I run a Mountain Hybrid rear on my XTrainer with tubliss, with a Golden Tyre Fatty up front. 5 PSI works great in the Northern California and Southern Oregon trails I ride. There's lots of loose dirt and decomposed granite. Good traction and they wear well.
I just checked the price of the Motoz gummy rear tire and it's $145...pretty steep when I can get the Kenda Ibex gummy (my current tire) for $90 and the Tusk Recon Hybrid gummy (my next tire) for $67. I've ridden with several guys that are using the Tusk tire and for the price it's as good as the Ibex.
I was just saying in another comment it sounds like prices in the US really jumped in recent years. 🤔 They seem to be on par with most brands here at the moment, not sure if they were much cheaper in the past or not.
@@crosstrainingenduro Jesus I know you like riding rocks but have you been hiding under one!😆😆 Pre the price jump the Arena Hybrid was just ridiculous! Such a good tyre for the price.
I used a motoz tractionator endro rear. Did a good 2000ish kms on single trail was very good in my opinion. The knobbies didn't rip off and had a every even wear on it. My tracks are a in-between of hard endro and bush hill climbs and single trail.
Was it the IT, Keith? I know almost nothing about their knobbies but I've just finished an outback tour where they used the IT knobbies. Seemed to be very long wearing...
I've run the Motoz Arena Hybrid Gummy on two of my KTM 200s. Both bikes had their suspension set up for my weight and riding style by two different, yet exceptionally reputable, suspension shops. Both bikes also had fresh suspension fluids and servicing. Please note that I have not heard of anyone else having the same issue I had so here's my take: If I run the rear tire at 10psi + it works quite well. Great traction and a good lifespan. If I drop lower than 10psi and hit square edge stuff riding over 10mph, the rear end hucks and bucks all over the place. I'm thinking it may have something to do with my soft suspension setup, perhaps the PDS shock rather than linkage, and maybe the flexy tire carcas all working together to give this reaction. I've never experienced anything similar to this on any other tire I've used on any bike, be it linkage or PDS. I've sold one of the 200s and replaced it with a YZ125X, but I really don't feel like shelling out the cash just to try an Arena Gummy on the YZ to see if I'd get the same reaction. The YZ came with a Shinko Cheater and I'm running the VE33s on my 200. I really like both tires but will likely replace the Cheater with a VE33s when the time is due. Most people think I'm crazy and have not had this experience with the Arena Gummy Hybrid, so I can still recommend it as a very good tire.
I'm on year 2 of a set of the Desert HTs in the Mojave. I love em! Decomposed granite is hard on tires but I haven't chunked a knob yet and they're wearing great. Sounds like mud tires on a truck on asphalt though.
I've run the Mountain Hybrid front and rear (rear hybrid was with Tubliss) on a plated WR450. The flexibility of the lugs on the rear was very impressive. Wear was very minimal on a heavy powerful bike that saw road miles. Now running a rear Mountain extreme hybrid (the non gummy) on a plated 200xcw with Tubliss. Noticeably more wear than the standard mountain hybrid (chunking and rounded lugs) but with 65 hours on it, still works very well and has lots of life left. Not the best in muddy condition but I hate riding dirt bikes in mud so that's no concern and so I will continue to run them.
The only time I ever tried a gummy was a Goldentyre a few years ago. It was terrible in mud lol. The knobs flexed and just wouldn't bite. I remember thinking it just for very specific types of terrain and I wouldn't buy one again for everyday riding. I was careful to not rev hard or wheelspin but I barely got eight rides out of it.
I run the Motoz Tractionator Enduro I/T on my Beta 390RRS for use on the road as well. Simply the best tire I have ever used....on almost any bike, and in any condition.
I was just saying in another comment, Shaun... aI'm just back from a week of riding in the outback. The bike fleet had the Enduro IT fitted and they last really well. After 1000km of road, tracks, rocks and sand the rear was only about 1/3 worn. Even the aggressive guys who were constantly on the throttle had barely reached half worn.
So, I can agree it's only 20% bike, but that 20% portion is probably mostly tire for novice and intermediate riders. As a less experienced rider I have witnessed first hand what the right tire and pressure can do for me. It's like a short cut to keeping up with the experienced guys on the difficult terrain. I'd take a great tire on a shitty bike (my setup) over a shit tire on a great bike.
I recently upgraded my bike and my new bike has the motoz tractionator enduro front and Arena hybrid rear. I rode some technical steep stuff in the wet last weekend and they felt great the front is almost brand new. The rear tyre is almost ready for replacement so I'm thinking I'll go with them again 🤔. I'm proberly not the best judge as Im learning the new bike so the grip naturally feels different
I ran the motoz tractionator on my klr and it was amazing. I know I wouldnt have made it up most of the trails without it. I will be running it on my new dr as well
I rode the Tractionator Enduro I/T in the West Virginia Hatfield McCoy trails last year for 1 full week on tubes - no flats - no issues... mud, dirt, rock, asphalt... just fine.
Good to know, Greg. I'm just back from a week of riding in the outback, the bike fleet had these fitted and they last really well. After 1000km of road, tracks, rocks and sand the rear was only about 1/3 worn.
Currently got the motoz terrapactor on the front, holds pretty good and doesn't wash out too much. However sucks at the loose terrain including rocks and sand.
The motoz tractionaror enduro S/T fronts are the go to for all my bikes that do road and offroad. Great front tire. Used the motoz S/T and I/T rears for my 250cc bikes, but my 525exc absolutely churned through the motoz I/T rear. It didnt last long. Moved over to the goldentyre GT333 for the 525, seem be holding up alot better. Have an adventurised 450exc with dunlop d606 front and rear. Took the d606 front off within a week, trash front tire for dirt, put the motoz S/T front on, big sigh of relief, actually tracks in dirt. Once the d606 rear wears out, I'll put a motoz rallz on the rear.
The only MotOz tire I didn't love was the Tractionator Adventure front tire on my DRZ400, it just wasn't great in mud, which it wasn't meant to do anyway, so I can't fault the tire for that. I've used the Mountain Hybrid, Xtreme Hybrid, RallZ, Desert H/T, Enduro S/T and I/T and love them all. The RallZ is my favorite for "true dual-sport" riding, riding as aggressive on road as you do off road - they stick and don't burn up in a ride or two. The rear gets about 2500mi and the front usually lasts for 2 rears. The Enduro S/T or I/T is my new go-to for 90% off road 10% on - I use S/Ts in the spring thaw on a DRZ-400 and a plated CR250R, then transition to the I/Ts as summer rolls in and the ground firms up. The rears wear a lot faster than the RallZ do on or off road, but for the grip they provide and how predictable it makes the bike corner, slide, etc - I don't care how long they last.
I’ve recently changed over to a tractionator I/T rear from a GoodenTyre GT333 and couldn’t be happier. The gt333 was a good tyre and so far the Motoz is just as good if not better
Ive been using the motoz IT on the back of my swm RS500r which is harsh on tyres in all terrain types from slow single track to highway work. It has been great all round traction and longevity. Over 2700kms and still has another 2K in it, grip has been consistent and given we ride pea gravel in WA which has nough traction at times.. recommend them. Will be trying a ST front faty shortly to replace a GT IT compound front. That has been great also.
@@crosstrainingenduro yes other brands both GT and Michelin all Enduro dot tyres id get ~1400kms max on the RS500. New DT fatty 90 100 will be trialled on a 2020 ktm 350 excf, not a fan of the 80 100 currently fitted.
Me and most of my crew run the Arena Hybrid Gummy, they last forever and have amazing traction. Only issue is that they have almost doubled in price in the last year. Over $200 CDN now. I just put a new one on last night. Might be the last one at these prices unfortunately. :(
I’ve used that same tire in rocky Arizona with great results. It lasted me longer than I thought it would, and kept good traction even when it wore down. I bought a couple of them about a year ago and the price was 110.00 US. I’m not sure what they are now. 200.00 Canadian sounds steep. Sorry to hear they are that expensive.
@@firffighter too much! You recommend a good gummy tire that I won’t need a second mortgage to finance? Something that’s not too tall (sidewall height. My Husky has a tall seat height.). Thanks 👍
On my drz 400s, I had the motoz tractionator desert ht, 2 set of the mountain hybrid and 1 set of the adv tire. I commute to work and play when possible in Nevada desert. I really like how the motoz handle the dirt here. Even though that I do more street than dirt they all lasted over 7500 miles
Good to hear. I was just saying in another comment, I'm just back from a week of riding in the outback. The bike fleet had the Enduro IT fitted and they last really well. After 1000km of road, tracks, rocks and sand the rear was only about 1/3 worn. I figure it must be a very hard rubber compound that might not suit our riding that well, but I love the idea of a rear knobby lasting two years with our type of riding! Which adv tyre on the DRZ? I might try one on the DR650 if you got good mileage out that too.
I've tried the Arena Hybrid BFM and non-BFM. They did very well. I would opt for non-BFM, if were to get another one. Not enough improvement in traction with BFM but a significant reduction in longevity. Motoz tires are very expensive in the US. Dunlop, Shinko, IRC, Kenda can be had for $80-$100 all day. A year ago, I could find a Motoz tire for $120. Today they are $135-$160. That's prohibitively expensive for me, as I ride ~300hrs a year. Unfortunately, the same has happened with Golden Tyre tires. Also, Motoz doesn't make a tire that digs well: sand, loose DG, small pebbles. Nothing that would rival an AT81, M5B Evo, GT333.
Yep quite a few brands have really jacked up the price unfortunately. I've generally found that almost any tyre works well if I'm running TUbliss at 4psi so I'm keen to look at the cheaper options and see how they work.
Can say I have a motoz on the front of my 1190 adventure not bad except the transition from road to dirt it gets a loose feel for the first 10-50 meters depending on speed
I'm currently running the Motoz Arena Hybrid gummy on my Sherco 300SE. Traction has been good with an ultra heavy duty tube at 10-11 psi. Have Tubliss to install and try at some point and I'm sure traction will be better with it rather than the tube. Wear has been very good for a hybrid gummy tire. Cost was more than most tires. Can't get it in a 140/80 - 18, just a 120/100 - 18. I've found the Kenda Gauntlet to give better traction than the Motoz Arena Hybrid, but wears faster. However, even when worn, the Gauntlet still provides very impressive traction. Plus, it is significantly cheaper than the Motoz. So, when the Motoz wears out, I'm going back to the Kenda Gauntlet and will install the Tubliss with it.
Traction is great with almost any knobby once you go down to 4psi with TUbliss in my experience... but you wouldn't want to hit roots or rocks at speed in case you ding the rims. Great for the slow snotty stuff though!
I like to find a relatively cheap 50/50 tire to replace my stock Bridgestone Trail Wings that came stock on my bike. The Bridgestone Trail Wings work well on dry pavement and dirt roads, but any soft terrain or mud the Bridgestone Trail Wings are dangerous. Even someone like Graham Jarvis would struggle with Bidgestone Trail Wings in the sand or mud.
DR650, Daniel? See our 'best adventure tyre' vid on our adventure channel, it covers quite a few options. We've also got a review there on the Shinko 244 which might suit.
Yep, a few other USA viewers have said they aren't cheap anymore. So I assume it's the case in Canada too? I recorded his narration pre-covid so possibly things were different back then...
I use the mountain hybrids for dual sport on a light street legal enduro. For that purpose, in my area, they are superior. They make some noise on the road. One should be willing to air down off road and then pump back up for extended highway use. They are excellent on decomposed granite fire roads and trails. What is called dry slippery hard pack in the southwest US. The best tire I have used in those conditions. They are amazing climbers where trails follow fire breaks straight up the mountains. They are excellent on smooth rock. They are good enough on medium hard surfaces. Excellent rim protection. They are passable in soft terrain with good throttle control and aired down. Not a good choice for 'roosting' in sand. All together, much better off road than the usual 50/50 tires, which are even worse in sand. Just like they perform well on slick rock, they are quite good on the road. Certainly not a street sport bike tire. They are again better on road than the usual 50/50 dual sport tires, aside from the previously noted moderate noise. Good tread life.
@@crosstrainingenduro Probably not aggressive enough to be ideal for the technical riding featured on this channel. And I don't know what they are like on heavier dual sports like the DR650 over on your adventure touring channel.
Just bought Motoz Rallz for my DRZ400, just the rear, going to buy the Motoz dual venture for the front. Haven't rode on it yet but have heard great things. I live in the desert, most of Oz is desert. Should be good.
Should be a good combo, quite a few comments suggest this is the case. Some riders report the Rallz front doesn't handle so well but the Dual Venture does...
On my 500 running I/t they are black and round and grip is good. My local riding area is 20km of black top away. Seam to be lasting well. Had desert h/t before that, had to air down to 8psi with tube for grip but lasted forever. Have rallz for big/multi day rides. They are great for an adventure tyre, just not as good in the wet as I/t which shouldn't be a surprise
I like the Arena Hybrid Gummy although I did get a flat on the bead once that could not be fixed for Tubliss. The traction was pretty good and it lasts the longest of any gummy I've tried. The price has gone way up in the US, and they are just about the most expensive tire now. I think the only more expensive is the Michelin Xtrem. I used to get the Arena for like $90 and now they are $143 so I stopped using them. The IRC VE33S is similar and like $98. Personally I like the AT81EX and Ibex the most, but they do not last as long. The softer durometer definitely gives you more traction though (55 vs 65). The IRC JX8 isn't bad either. I personally hate the Shinkos and won't buy again.
It's a shame they often jack up the price so much when it becomes popular, Glenn. A few years ago I chatted with a distributor who said most knobbies would only cost about $10 to produce at the factory. Sure, there are transports costs and various profit margins but some tyres are just too expensive for what they are!
The arena hybrid is a beast of a tyre, but you need to run low pressure however you choose to do it. The non gummy in NZ is a great all rounder, the gummy for rocky hard Enduro terrain. However as soon as the prices skyrocketed I looked elsewhere but I still rate them
Interesting to see that heaps of riders are enjoying the Arena, Perrin. But one or two think they are garbage. I wonder if they simply haven't lowered the air pressure enough? In my experience this can make a huge difference with any tyre. I only run 3 to 4 psi with TUbliss and even worn out knobbies keep gripping well.
Shinko 525 is the goto gummy for most of our hard Enduro riding group many double there skill overnight and there rides get much easier .we have a few tyre testers in the group motoz is the next on the list some of them were motoz mountain hybrid riders that now run the shinko 525 and don't want to try anything else lol
I ran the original Mt hybrid when it first came out and have run the Arena hybrid gummy. Also ran the Tractionators for several years prior the the hybrid gummy revolution. Good tires, but,, unfortunately, they have increased in price exorbitantly and they are far and away more expensive than the competition. So many better options today with a vast array of gummy hybrids from many different manufacturers that are less expensive and provide better performance for traditional woods riding. The MotoZ are good dualsport tires though.
Bummer to hear about the price increase in the USA. They seem to be on par with most brands here at the moment, not sure if they were much cheaper in the past or not.
I’ve been through several sets of the Motoz tractionator enduro I/T now. They are great off-road obviously and predictable on the pavement. Wet pavement they don’t do as well but that’s to be expected out of a primarily off-road tire that is dot approved.
It's a popular tire in Sweden for Adventure bike riding. Especially the Traktionators or the adventure versions. But they weight a like a small truck.. Haven't seen or heard anyone having a Motoz tire on there Enduro or dirtbike here. I had a Tractionator Dessert on my Ktm 1290 super adventure. Really good tire on dirt roads but noisy as hell on everything else.
i used a desert ht front didn't think it was fantastic as it followed grooves and held onto sticky clay but it did do 7000km through nsw,sa across the simpson into qld and back to nsw without issue apart from some heel and toe by the end from hard braking. i'll try an enduro it front for trail riding next when i wear out the bridgestone and pirelli fronts i already have.
There probably aren't enough comments here and on Facebook to judge yet, Michael. But so far riders seem very positive about the Motoz rears and a bit less about their front knobbies...
I'm using the arena Hydrid on my KTM xc250 2021 110/100/18 on rear I get a year plus out of one rocks hard pack a lot of single track and woods to I run a STD IRC tube with 6.5/psi DID NOT like tubeless! back end all over the place if you pick up the speed to 20 on up to 35 front I run nothing but the M/59 about the same as rear a year or so and both still work pretty Dam/Good!!!
Great to hear, I've just put the Motoz Arena Hybrid on the rear after getting a lot of positive feedback. I've got TUbliss too, what air pressure were you running when you had the rear moving around? I only run about 3psi but the rear has felt okay to me so far...
12000km ride in Australia with motoz: rear tire is good for longevity…but the front was horrible especially in the sand. They are hard compound and they suit twin bikes foe adv riding. Enduro and hard adventure ride choose michelin The explanation of erag to push foe motoz was lacking arguments. Cheers
A few guys have commented on the fronts not being great, Oli. Which rear did you use? Rallz? GPS? Yeah Dallas didn't go into as much detail as I thought he would...
@@crosstrainingenduro it was the adventure but all the rest gps rallz ht they for big twin bikes for smaller cc bikes there are so many better options at rhe same price or below
I have about 600 miles on my moto-z😏 90/100 21 s/t front & about 500 on my motoz 130/90 18 i/t rear. The s/t has been amazing. It'll be the only front I get from now on. It's great on every surface. Motoz claims it's a 30/70 hard/ soft surface tire but it's equally great on hard surfaces as is it soft. The i/t rear is also a great tire. It's a much softer compound than I was expecting, though. They claim it's a 50/50 soft&hard surface tire, it's probably more like a 70/30 hard/soft surface tire.i suspect that they'll get shredded the first time I get on the highway - I'll probably go to their s/t rear next based on how happy motoz's s/t front has made me.
Great to hear. My brother is trying the Desert HT rear on his DR650. Very hard rubber compound, surprised how long it is lasting even with some road riding. I reckon it would last forever on a dirt bike lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro You'll have to have him give us an update when he gets a good feel for them. I totally skipped over those after regretting the DV/Rallz combo everyone in the adventure sect raves over.
He's only done a two day ride so far, clocked up about 800km and it's about 25% worn. So realistically might get 3000km from the rear? About half of a Rallz but very good for an aggressive knobby pattern.
@@crosstrainingenduro, on the Tractionator Adventure I'm getting VERY good mileage, at least double that of a TKC80 on a 690R. The only downside is that they're noisy on the asphalt. It's worth it.
I did a very technical ride yesterday with the Motoz Xtreme Hybrid Gummy 120/100x18 fitted to an XTrainer 300 with Tubliss, along a rocky gully with many large rocks, steps, rock slabs in damp conditions... truely hate this tyre, one an only ride with this tyre as I will be removing it and trial the Motoz Arena Hybrid Gummy 120\100x18. I have been up this gully twice before in flooded and rainy conditons with another brand and did not experiment the same amount of wheel spin. Even with from 5 to 0 psi there was only a minor improvement, there were 5 riders on this ride, all with Tubliss and running higher pressures on a variety of brands and while still very slippery challenging conditions, all had noticeably better traction than myself. Last year I bought 3 different brands of 5 models of tyre to test what I would continue to buy in future, rather than leave it to the vagaries of seat of the pants testing I bought a Shore A durometer to get some real data to compare after of gone through all the tyres. Tyres ranged from 43 to 60 and both Motoz come in at 60, I will seem if tread pattern makes a difference to grip when both tyres have the same rubber compound. The Motoz Xtreme Hybrid Gummy work fanatic in loamy terrain but on hard pack or rocky terrain I can feel the tyre walking from side to side.
It's very interesting to hear about the wide range of experiences with gummy tyres of any brand, Dom. I remember trying the Goldentyre gummy soon after it came out and Jarvis was using it for certain events. In a lot of case, especially mud, the knobs flexed and wouldn't bite. I would be stranded on a wet clay hill that inexperienced riders were doing effortlessly! Next time I'm at a hard enduro event I'll ask our top riders about this. I know in typical Aussie events they don't use gummy tyres, I'll try to find out in what conditions they think gummy tyres will actually work well.
@@crosstrainingenduro The tyre previous to the Motoz was a Golden Tyre GT333 Gummy, lasted 1019km and because I'm a tight arse I rode it 'til the knobs were 8mm. Still had plenty of grip in the dry but struggle if it was wet. The stock tyre on the 2022 Beta XT300 is a Shinko Cheater 525 (1186km) which I rate very highly to the point I have a new one waiting for the day. I did notice that the Motoz Arena Hybrid Gummy held it's shape at 0 psi under the bike's weight and is probably a clue to the performance whereas the GT333 will have a large flat contact patch.
Interesting! So the Arena must have really stiff sidewalls then. That might explain why a few riders don't like the Arena then... if they are running their standard 10 to 15psi then it will be skating all over the place!
Haven’t shopped their enduro selection, but MotoZ ADV tyres in Canada are (in my experience ) NOT always that easy to find nor are they more “Affordable”. Quite the opposite! That said, I still like them for combo of durability @ performance.
@@crosstrainingenduro that you know it as Canuckistan both amuses & saddens me. Our global reputation has deteriorated faster than an a mitas E10 under a zesty right wrist
I tried an Extreme Hybrid on a 300 EXC around Imbil, Kenilworth etc. and was not impressed. Too trials orientated for varied terrain, utterly hopeless on anything loose or soft. Yet to find anything that compares to the GT333 for technical enduro riding.
I was just discussing this in another comment... It's very interesting to hear about the wide range of experiences with gummy tyres of any brand. I remember trying the Goldentyre gummy soon after it came out and Jarvis was using it for certain events. In a lot of case, especially mud, the knobs flexed and wouldn't bite. I would be stranded on a wet clay hill that inexperienced riders were doing effortlessly! And of course it only lasted about 10 rides even with zero wheelspinning and not accelerating hard. Next time I'm at a hard enduro event I'll ask our top riders about this. I know in typical Aussie events they don't use gummy tyres, I'll try to find out in what conditions they think gummy tyres will actually work well.
I keep hearing they had a big price hike. I wonder if the importer is cashing in on their popularity? They are the same price as most other brands here...
These are not at all a "value" tire in the USA. Easily 75-100% more than equivalent tires from Mitas, 200% more then Shinko, and 25% more than Heidenau or Continental or Pirelli. They've gotten way too proud of their stuff.
I suspect you'll find it's the distributor cashing in, Nathan. In most cases the manufacturer doesn't control the prices set by national distributors. E.g. KTMs cost way more here in Australia, but are only a few hundred dollars more than the opposition in other countries. Five years ago, the Aussie distributor set the price of Beta bikes and parts very cheaply... a new distributor took over and jacked up all the prices.
I tried the Motoz Arena Hybrid gummy in AUS about 6 months ago for bronze class enduro riding on a KTM 300 tpi,... sorry to say they are worst tyre I've ever had, especially poor on loose off-camber hills. Almost any other trye would be better !!
Yep, in my experience gummy tyres are for very specific scenarios, Phil. In situations like loose hills or mud you actually want firm knobs that will dig in. Soft compounds just allow the knobs to flex and NOT grip! I suspect you may have just had the wrong tyre for your riding? Years back I tried the Goldentyre gummy that Jarvis uses in some events, it was terrible for the majority of our terrain!
@@crosstrainingenduro Agreed, I spent a lot of time experimenting with different tyers, went through about 12 of them, different brands, gummies etc and I came to the same conclusion. IMHO, #1 was the Dunlop MX 53 inter/hard, #2 was Pirelli Scorpion mid/soft. Also found the 120/90 outperforms the 110/100 in all terrains, wet dry, clay soft off camber etc. Luv your work, cheers P
I haven't. But I find it interesting that there doesn't seem to be any clear info from the govt. I know some bike shops state all tyres must have DOT approval but I can't any info at all... only these statements: "All tyres fitted to the road wheels of a vehicle, must be of a type constructed and certified for normal road use." "A tyre fitted to a motor vehicle must, when first manufactured, have been rated by the tyre manufacturer as suitable for road use at the vehicle’s top speed."
Hi, I'm using the Desert tractionator front and rear tires on my 500 exc. For me there long lasting and work well on all turane. Check out my channel for the riding places . But I did notice the front gets squrly at higher speeds. A trade off I'm willing to accept. just my 2p.
A bit of bad news, Dallas narrated this video quite a while ago but Canadians and Americans are telling me there have been some big price hikes. 😢 So his comments about the low price don't seem to apply there anymore.
The Motoz Rallz is by far the best tire I ever put on my DR. Sure the Goldenboy 244 is ok too.. but Motoz Rallz is tough and its natural compound not only wears well but sticks well. You can run UHD tubes at low pressure. I run a double Warp 9 rim lock set upon the rear cause I’ve walked a bead with just one. They also don’t chunk and don’t wear funny with lots of slab. The front Ralllz is available in a fatty which is what I use.
Love them in the sand and slop here in Michigan! My goto DOT knobby for my dual sport
Been using the tractionator I/T front and back for a few years now and it's been awesome, fantastic traction everywhere, great wearing and quite robust even against slag rock.
Only negative I feel is on street noise.
Looking forward to buying a H/T when the set I'm running wears out in two or three more seasons 👍
That's interesting, Scott. I'm just back from a week of riding in the outback. The bike fleet had the Enduro IT fitted and they last really well. After 1000km of road, tracks, rocks and sand the rear was only about 1/3 worn. I didn't notice any tyre noise, but then they had derestricted the exhausts and the 500s were pretty loud. Maybe it drowned out the tyre noise?
Tyre noise on rear does occur i found it post 1000kms but only on road and who wants to do that.... just link roads for me!
I'm using the Arena Hybrid on my 1998 RMX250, feedback from the tyre is awesome, slides predictably and hooks up well, easier to feel the rear brake as well, I run tubliss with 8psi, so far the best tyre I have used, this is for a mix of single track, forestry, 4wd track
I just did the WYBDR on the Desert H/T tires (CRF450L) and they were great. Not very technical riding but loved the grip when it was needed in the loose gravel/sand. Didn't pack up with mud as bad as I thought thy would.
I use these for my adventure WR450F. I really like them but my experience in mud was that they turned into slicks. I love the front but i think ill try something else for the rear next time. Very good wear but i think the rear traction could be a bit better.
They are also confidence inspiring on the road (at legal speeds), even when wet.
I only ride once a week and its only around 100ks at most but my motoz tryes have lasted around a year so far and look like they could last about that again. Considering how much road I have to ride to get to riding spots i'm well impressed. For the price they were unbeatable at the tie i bought them. will have to review that when its time to replace them.
I have a tractionator enduro soft in front and an enduro medium in the back of my road legal `22 CRF450X and can say they are great for pretty much anything offroad. I use the bike for light adventure and trail riding. The only complaint is that they are very noisy on road but it's to be expected since they are knobbies. 700 miles on them and the front still looks new. I'll probably get another 7 or 800 out of the rear as well. They're very durable and I've had no chunking at all. I run them at 11 psi for trail and 15 for dual sport riding.
I use the Motoz ADV tires on my 890 and love them. Specifically the RallZ. My go to tire now. Always seems to be stock even during the pandemic when other tires were scarce. Not particularly cheap though.
Any idea on the mileage you expect to get with the Rallz, Mark?
@@crosstrainingenduro I'm a fat bastard and I got around 4500 kms with significant tarmac abuse. The front will last twice that. Thinking of trying the Dual Venture front next.
I had the mountain hybrid with Tubliss on a YZ250FX. It was night and day compared to the Dunlops that came stock with the bike. I love the MotoZ. It hooked up great and lasted a long time. I highly recommend it.
I run a Mountain Hybrid rear on my XTrainer with tubliss, with a Golden Tyre Fatty up front. 5 PSI works great in the Northern California and Southern Oregon trails I ride. There's lots of loose dirt and decomposed granite. Good traction and they wear well.
I just checked the price of the Motoz gummy rear tire and it's $145...pretty steep when I can get the Kenda Ibex gummy (my current tire) for $90 and the Tusk Recon Hybrid gummy (my next tire) for $67. I've ridden with several guys that are using the Tusk tire and for the price it's as good as the Ibex.
I was just saying in another comment it sounds like prices in the US really jumped in recent years. 🤔 They seem to be on par with most brands here at the moment, not sure if they were much cheaper in the past or not.
I've been using the Arena Hybrid for a few years. Best tire I've ever had on my YZ250. Super traction, great life/wear and reasonable price.
I hadn't even heard of the Arena, Andrzej... but quite a few comments about it. Looks like it could work well for our style of riding.
@@crosstrainingenduro Jesus I know you like riding rocks but have you been hiding under one!😆😆 Pre the price jump the Arena Hybrid was just ridiculous! Such a good tyre for the price.
I used a motoz tractionator endro rear. Did a good 2000ish kms on single trail was very good in my opinion. The knobbies didn't rip off and had a every even wear on it. My tracks are a in-between of hard endro and bush hill climbs and single trail.
Was it the IT, Keith? I know almost nothing about their knobbies but I've just finished an outback tour where they used the IT knobbies. Seemed to be very long wearing...
@@crosstrainingenduro 120/90-18 not that size makes a difference. motoz tractionator endro I.T. running at 8 psi.
I've run the Motoz Arena Hybrid Gummy on two of my KTM 200s. Both bikes had their suspension set up for my weight and riding style by two different, yet exceptionally reputable, suspension shops. Both bikes also had fresh suspension fluids and servicing. Please note that I have not heard of anyone else having the same issue I had so here's my take:
If I run the rear tire at 10psi + it works quite well. Great traction and a good lifespan. If I drop lower than 10psi and hit square edge stuff riding over 10mph, the rear end hucks and bucks all over the place. I'm thinking it may have something to do with my soft suspension setup, perhaps the PDS shock rather than linkage, and maybe the flexy tire carcas all working together to give this reaction. I've never experienced anything similar to this on any other tire I've used on any bike, be it linkage or PDS. I've sold one of the 200s and replaced it with a YZ125X, but I really don't feel like shelling out the cash just to try an Arena Gummy on the YZ to see if I'd get the same reaction. The YZ came with a Shinko Cheater and I'm running the VE33s on my 200. I really like both tires but will likely replace the Cheater with a VE33s when the time is due.
Most people think I'm crazy and have not had this experience with the Arena Gummy Hybrid, so I can still recommend it as a very good tire.
I'm on year 2 of a set of the Desert HTs in the Mojave. I love em! Decomposed granite is hard on tires but I haven't chunked a knob yet and they're wearing great. Sounds like mud tires on a truck on asphalt though.
I've run the Mountain Hybrid front and rear (rear hybrid was with Tubliss) on a plated WR450. The flexibility of the lugs on the rear was very impressive. Wear was very minimal on a heavy powerful bike that saw road miles. Now running a rear Mountain extreme hybrid (the non gummy) on a plated 200xcw with Tubliss. Noticeably more wear than the standard mountain hybrid (chunking and rounded lugs) but with 65 hours on it, still works very well and has lots of life left. Not the best in muddy condition but I hate riding dirt bikes in mud so that's no concern and so I will continue to run them.
The only time I ever tried a gummy was a Goldentyre a few years ago. It was terrible in mud lol. The knobs flexed and just wouldn't bite. I remember thinking it just for very specific types of terrain and I wouldn't buy one again for everyday riding. I was careful to not rev hard or wheelspin but I barely got eight rides out of it.
I run the Motoz Tractionator Enduro I/T on my Beta 390RRS for use on the road as well. Simply the best tire I have ever used....on almost any bike, and in any condition.
I was just saying in another comment, Shaun... aI'm just back from a week of riding in the outback. The bike fleet had the Enduro IT fitted and they last really well. After 1000km of road, tracks, rocks and sand the rear was only about 1/3 worn. Even the aggressive guys who were constantly on the throttle had barely reached half worn.
So, I can agree it's only 20% bike, but that 20% portion is probably mostly tire for novice and intermediate riders. As a less experienced rider I have witnessed first hand what the right tire and pressure can do for me. It's like a short cut to keeping up with the experienced guys on the difficult terrain. I'd take a great tire on a shitty bike (my setup) over a shit tire on a great bike.
I recently upgraded my bike and my new bike has the motoz tractionator enduro front and Arena hybrid rear. I rode some technical steep stuff in the wet last weekend and they felt great the front is almost brand new. The rear tyre is almost ready for replacement so I'm thinking I'll go with them again 🤔. I'm proberly not the best judge as Im learning the new bike so the grip naturally feels different
I ran the motoz tractionator on my klr and it was amazing. I know I wouldnt have made it up most of the trails without it. I will be running it on my new dr as well
I rode the Tractionator Enduro I/T in the West Virginia Hatfield McCoy trails last year for 1 full week on tubes - no flats - no issues... mud, dirt, rock, asphalt... just fine.
Good to know, Greg. I'm just back from a week of riding in the outback, the bike fleet had these fitted and they last really well. After 1000km of road, tracks, rocks and sand the rear was only about 1/3 worn.
Been using the IT tractionators for a while. Excellent in all the conditions I ride. Next favorite is the starcross 5.
Currently got the motoz terrapactor on the front, holds pretty good and doesn't wash out too much. However sucks at the loose terrain including rocks and sand.
Great traction and longest lasting gummy I’ve tried. Knobs were very tall and raised the back of the bike up too much for my inseam though.
Bought my second hand beta with a hybrid extreme on it and that's all I have used from then on, great tyre and good in the snotty stuff
The motoz tractionaror enduro S/T fronts are the go to for all my bikes that do road and offroad. Great front tire. Used the motoz S/T and I/T rears for my 250cc bikes, but my 525exc absolutely churned through the motoz I/T rear. It didnt last long. Moved over to the goldentyre GT333 for the 525, seem be holding up alot better.
Have an adventurised 450exc with dunlop d606 front and rear. Took the d606 front off within a week, trash front tire for dirt, put the motoz S/T front on, big sigh of relief, actually tracks in dirt. Once the d606 rear wears out, I'll put a motoz rallz on the rear.
The only MotOz tire I didn't love was the Tractionator Adventure front tire on my DRZ400, it just wasn't great in mud, which it wasn't meant to do anyway, so I can't fault the tire for that.
I've used the Mountain Hybrid, Xtreme Hybrid, RallZ, Desert H/T, Enduro S/T and I/T and love them all.
The RallZ is my favorite for "true dual-sport" riding, riding as aggressive on road as you do off road - they stick and don't burn up in a ride or two. The rear gets about 2500mi and the front usually lasts for 2 rears.
The Enduro S/T or I/T is my new go-to for 90% off road 10% on - I use S/Ts in the spring thaw on a DRZ-400 and a plated CR250R, then transition to the I/Ts as summer rolls in and the ground firms up. The rears wear a lot faster than the RallZ do on or off road, but for the grip they provide and how predictable it makes the bike corner, slide, etc - I don't care how long they last.
Thanks for the feedback. I've been thinking about the Rallz on my DR650. 2500 miles wouldn't be bad at all...
I’ve recently changed over to a tractionator I/T rear from a GoodenTyre GT333 and couldn’t be happier. The gt333 was a good tyre and so far the Motoz is just as good if not better
Good to hear Richard. We've mostly used Goldentyre but they tend to be pretty expensive, wouldn't mind trying something else.
Fun work and hard work at the same time.
Enduro IT and RallZ are amazingly great tires!
Ive been using the motoz IT on the back of my swm RS500r which is harsh on tyres in all terrain types from slow single track to highway work. It has been great all round traction and longevity. Over 2700kms and still has another 2K in it, grip has been consistent and given we ride pea gravel in WA which has nough traction at times.. recommend them. Will be trying a ST front faty shortly to replace a GT IT compound front. That has been great also.
Quite a few comments on how long the the IT lasts, Brad. Good news for those of us who hate tyre changes lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro yes other brands both GT and Michelin all Enduro dot tyres id get ~1400kms max on the RS500. New DT fatty 90 100 will be trialled on a 2020 ktm 350 excf, not a fan of the 80 100 currently fitted.
Me and most of my crew run the Arena Hybrid Gummy, they last forever and have amazing traction. Only issue is that they have almost doubled in price in the last year. Over $200 CDN now. I just put a new one on last night. Might be the last one at these prices unfortunately. :(
Yes, they are far and away the most expensive tire when compared to the competition. Too bad, because they used to be priced competitively
I’ve used that same tire in rocky Arizona with great results. It lasted me longer than I thought it would, and kept good traction even when it wore down. I bought a couple of them about a year ago and the price was 110.00 US. I’m not sure what they are now. 200.00 Canadian sounds steep. Sorry to hear they are that expensive.
@@ml5955 They're $150 now! Yikes
@@firffighter too much! You recommend a good gummy tire that I won’t need a second mortgage to finance? Something that’s not too tall (sidewall height. My Husky has a tall seat height.). Thanks 👍
@@ml5955 IRC V33S. Works great in PNW terrain and approximately 50hrs life, at $95
On my drz 400s, I had the motoz tractionator desert ht, 2 set of the mountain hybrid and 1 set of the adv tire. I commute to work and play when possible in Nevada desert. I really like how the motoz handle the dirt here.
Even though that I do more street than dirt they all lasted over 7500 miles
Good to hear. I was just saying in another comment, I'm just back from a week of riding in the outback. The bike fleet had the Enduro IT fitted and they last really well. After 1000km of road, tracks, rocks and sand the rear was only about 1/3 worn. I figure it must be a very hard rubber compound that might not suit our riding that well, but I love the idea of a rear knobby lasting two years with our type of riding! Which adv tyre on the DRZ? I might try one on the DR650 if you got good mileage out that too.
@@crosstrainingenduro it was the Motoz Tractionator Adventure, and used tusk extra heavy duty tubes in them.
I've tried the Arena Hybrid BFM and non-BFM. They did very well. I would opt for non-BFM, if were to get another one. Not enough improvement in traction with BFM but a significant reduction in longevity. Motoz tires are very expensive in the US. Dunlop, Shinko, IRC, Kenda can be had for $80-$100 all day. A year ago, I could find a Motoz tire for $120. Today they are $135-$160. That's prohibitively expensive for me, as I ride ~300hrs a year. Unfortunately, the same has happened with Golden Tyre tires.
Also, Motoz doesn't make a tire that digs well: sand, loose DG, small pebbles. Nothing that would rival an AT81, M5B Evo, GT333.
Yep quite a few brands have really jacked up the price unfortunately. I've generally found that almost any tyre works well if I'm running TUbliss at 4psi so I'm keen to look at the cheaper options and see how they work.
Can say I have a motoz on the front of my 1190 adventure not bad except the transition from road to dirt it gets a loose feel for the first 10-50 meters depending on speed
I'm currently running the Motoz Arena Hybrid gummy on my Sherco 300SE. Traction has been good with an ultra heavy duty tube at 10-11 psi. Have Tubliss to install and try at some point and I'm sure traction will be better with it rather than the tube. Wear has been very good for a hybrid gummy tire. Cost was more than most tires. Can't get it in a 140/80 - 18, just a 120/100 - 18.
I've found the Kenda Gauntlet to give better traction than the Motoz Arena Hybrid, but wears faster. However, even when worn, the Gauntlet still provides very impressive traction. Plus, it is significantly cheaper than the Motoz. So, when the Motoz wears out, I'm going back to the Kenda Gauntlet and will install the Tubliss with it.
Traction is great with almost any knobby once you go down to 4psi with TUbliss in my experience... but you wouldn't want to hit roots or rocks at speed in case you ding the rims. Great for the slow snotty stuff though!
I like to find a relatively cheap 50/50 tire to replace my stock Bridgestone Trail Wings that came stock on my bike. The Bridgestone Trail Wings work well on dry pavement and dirt roads, but any soft terrain or mud the Bridgestone Trail Wings are dangerous. Even someone like Graham Jarvis would struggle with Bidgestone Trail Wings in the sand or mud.
DR650, Daniel? See our 'best adventure tyre' vid on our adventure channel, it covers quite a few options. We've also got a review there on the Shinko 244 which might suit.
Iv been doing more tire reviews on my channel for click bait lol BUT I have honestly been wanting to try this tire as well in the US
Whoa, Dallas! MOTOZ Tractionator Desert HT 90/100-21 Dual Sport Motorcycle Tire, DOT $124.99 versus Shinko $60-84, Pirelli $74, Kenda $67, WIG front + rear + 2 tubes $129. Motoz tires aren't cheap up here in the US.
Yep, a few other USA viewers have said they aren't cheap anymore. So I assume it's the case in Canada too? I recorded his narration pre-covid so possibly things were different back then...
I use the mountain hybrids for dual sport on a light street legal enduro. For that purpose, in my area, they are superior. They make some noise on the road. One should be willing to air down off road and then pump back up for extended highway use. They are excellent on decomposed granite fire roads and trails. What is called dry slippery hard pack in the southwest US. The best tire I have used in those conditions. They are amazing climbers where trails follow fire breaks straight up the mountains. They are excellent on smooth rock. They are good enough on medium hard surfaces. Excellent rim protection. They are passable in soft terrain with good throttle control and aired down. Not a good choice for 'roosting' in sand. All together, much better off road than the usual 50/50 tires, which are even worse in sand. Just like they perform well on slick rock, they are quite good on the road. Certainly not a street sport bike tire. They are again better on road than the usual 50/50 dual sport tires, aside from the previously noted moderate noise. Good tread life.
Great to hear! If I decide to try some Motoz next it will be tough trying to choose between all these options....
@@crosstrainingenduro Probably not aggressive enough to be ideal for the technical riding featured on this channel. And I don't know what they are like on heavier dual sports like the DR650 over on your adventure touring channel.
Just bought Motoz Rallz for my DRZ400, just the rear, going to buy the Motoz dual venture for the front. Haven't rode on it yet but have heard great things. I live in the desert, most of Oz is desert. Should be good.
Should be a good combo, quite a few comments suggest this is the case. Some riders report the Rallz front doesn't handle so well but the Dual Venture does...
I love the I/t tires
Bucket list ride!
On my 500 running I/t they are black and round and grip is good. My local riding area is 20km of black top away. Seam to be lasting well.
Had desert h/t before that, had to air down to 8psi with tube for grip but lasted forever.
Have rallz for big/multi day rides. They are great for an adventure tyre, just not as good in the wet as I/t which shouldn't be a surprise
Black and round... my favourite tyre Dougie. 😂 How long lasting are the Rallz? I might consider them for the DR650.
Good luck finding any. Apparently the containers are on their way.
Lasting well, at 12mm of tread after 1500km of riding. Being lazy and not adjusting pressure between dirt and road.
I really liked my motoz tires, but they would not seal with tubliss. This was a tractionator tire.
I like the Arena Hybrid Gummy although I did get a flat on the bead once that could not be fixed for Tubliss. The traction was pretty good and it lasts the longest of any gummy I've tried. The price has gone way up in the US, and they are just about the most expensive tire now. I think the only more expensive is the Michelin Xtrem. I used to get the Arena for like $90 and now they are $143 so I stopped using them. The IRC VE33S is similar and like $98. Personally I like the AT81EX and Ibex the most, but they do not last as long. The softer durometer definitely gives you more traction though (55 vs 65). The IRC JX8 isn't bad either. I personally hate the Shinkos and won't buy again.
It's a shame they often jack up the price so much when it becomes popular, Glenn. A few years ago I chatted with a distributor who said most knobbies would only cost about $10 to produce at the factory. Sure, there are transports costs and various profit margins but some tyres are just too expensive for what they are!
Awesome brand. Have them on a big adventure bike and an enduro.
The arena hybrid is a beast of a tyre, but you need to run low pressure however you choose to do it. The non gummy in NZ is a great all rounder, the gummy for rocky hard Enduro terrain. However as soon as the prices skyrocketed I looked elsewhere but I still rate them
Interesting to see that heaps of riders are enjoying the Arena, Perrin. But one or two think they are garbage. I wonder if they simply haven't lowered the air pressure enough? In my experience this can make a huge difference with any tyre. I only run 3 to 4 psi with TUbliss and even worn out knobbies keep gripping well.
Shinko 525 is the goto gummy for most of our hard Enduro riding group many double there skill overnight and there rides get much easier .we have a few tyre testers in the group motoz is the next on the list some of them were motoz mountain hybrid riders that now run the shinko 525 and don't want to try anything else lol
On my 450l as I do a mix of dirt and street, I am on D606's currently but lots of people in the 450l groups say good things about the Motoz.
I ran the original Mt hybrid when it first came out and have run the Arena hybrid gummy. Also ran the Tractionators for several years prior the the hybrid gummy revolution.
Good tires, but,, unfortunately, they have increased in price exorbitantly and they are far and away more expensive than the competition.
So many better options today with a vast array of gummy hybrids from many different manufacturers that are less expensive and provide better performance for traditional woods riding.
The MotoZ are good dualsport tires though.
Bummer to hear about the price increase in the USA. They seem to be on par with most brands here at the moment, not sure if they were much cheaper in the past or not.
I have motor on my wr450. They perform marvellously
I have the motoz on my ktm 300 and i love them
I’ve been through several sets of the Motoz tractionator enduro I/T now. They are great off-road obviously and predictable on the pavement. Wet pavement they don’t do as well but that’s to be expected out of a primarily off-road tire that is dot approved.
It's a popular tire in Sweden for Adventure bike riding. Especially the Traktionators or the adventure versions.
But they weight a like a small truck..
Haven't seen or heard anyone having a Motoz tire on there Enduro or dirtbike here.
I had a Tractionator Dessert on my Ktm 1290 super adventure. Really good tire on dirt roads but noisy as hell on everything else.
How many km on the Desert rear before it was worn out, Eddie?
@@crosstrainingenduro I got about 4000km on the rear tire. About 80% gravel and dirt and 20% tarmac riding.
How can I find more information on this place, spoken of in the video, to come ride in Canada?
Traction eRag, Chris. They run events in Kamloops and occasionally up north in the alpine regions of BC too.
i used a desert ht front didn't think it was fantastic as it followed grooves and held onto sticky clay but it did do 7000km through nsw,sa across the simpson into qld and back to nsw without issue apart from some heel and toe by the end from hard braking. i'll try an enduro it front for trail riding next when i wear out the bridgestone and pirelli fronts i already have.
There probably aren't enough comments here and on Facebook to judge yet, Michael. But so far riders seem very positive about the Motoz rears and a bit less about their front knobbies...
I'm using the arena Hydrid on my KTM xc250 2021 110/100/18 on rear I get a year plus out of one rocks hard pack a lot of single track and woods to I run a STD IRC tube with 6.5/psi DID NOT like tubeless! back end all over the place if you pick up the speed to 20 on up to 35 front I run nothing but the M/59 about the same as rear a year or so and both still work pretty Dam/Good!!!
Great to hear, I've just put the Motoz Arena Hybrid on the rear after getting a lot of positive feedback. I've got TUbliss too, what air pressure were you running when you had the rear moving around? I only run about 3psi but the rear has felt okay to me so far...
12000km ride in Australia with motoz: rear tire is good for longevity…but the front was horrible especially in the sand. They are hard compound and they suit twin bikes foe adv riding. Enduro and hard adventure ride choose michelin
The explanation of erag to push foe motoz was lacking arguments. Cheers
A few guys have commented on the fronts not being great, Oli. Which rear did you use? Rallz? GPS? Yeah Dallas didn't go into as much detail as I thought he would...
@@crosstrainingenduro it was the adventure but all the rest gps rallz ht they for big twin bikes for smaller cc bikes there are so many better options at rhe same price or below
I have about 600 miles on my moto-z😏 90/100 21 s/t front & about 500 on my motoz 130/90 18 i/t rear. The s/t has been amazing. It'll be the only front I get from now on. It's great on every surface. Motoz claims it's a 30/70 hard/ soft surface tire but it's equally great on hard surfaces as is it soft. The i/t rear is also a great tire. It's a much softer compound than I was expecting, though. They claim it's a 50/50 soft&hard surface tire, it's probably more like a 70/30 hard/soft surface tire.i suspect that they'll get shredded the first time I get on the highway - I'll probably go to their s/t rear next based on how happy motoz's s/t front has made me.
Great to hear. My brother is trying the Desert HT rear on his DR650. Very hard rubber compound, surprised how long it is lasting even with some road riding. I reckon it would last forever on a dirt bike lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro You'll have to have him give us an update when he gets a good feel for them. I totally skipped over those after regretting the DV/Rallz combo everyone in the adventure sect raves over.
He's only done a two day ride so far, clocked up about 800km and it's about 25% worn. So realistically might get 3000km from the rear? About half of a Rallz but very good for an aggressive knobby pattern.
I love my Motoz Tractionator Adventures!
Getting good mileage? I'm considering these for the DR650 but getting mixed reports. Some say they last really well, others say they wear too fast!
@@crosstrainingenduro, on the Tractionator Adventure I'm getting VERY good mileage, at least double that of a TKC80 on a 690R. The only downside is that they're noisy on the asphalt. It's worth it.
"Moto Oz" -- yet another pronunciation, this one from Canada. I'm a big MotoZ fan.
How does the s/t and i/t compare to Michelin Tracker?
No idea, Martin. I've never used them. But I'm keen to know if others have tried them all.
I did a very technical ride yesterday with the Motoz Xtreme Hybrid Gummy 120/100x18 fitted to an XTrainer 300 with Tubliss, along a rocky gully with many large rocks, steps, rock slabs in damp conditions... truely hate this tyre, one an only ride with this tyre as I will be removing it and trial the Motoz Arena Hybrid Gummy 120\100x18. I have been up this gully twice before in flooded and rainy conditons with another brand and did not experiment the same amount of wheel spin. Even with from 5 to 0 psi there was only a minor improvement, there were 5 riders on this ride, all with Tubliss and running higher pressures on a variety of brands and while still very slippery challenging conditions, all had noticeably better traction than myself. Last year I bought 3 different brands of 5 models of tyre to test what I would continue to buy in future, rather than leave it to the vagaries of seat of the pants testing I bought a Shore A durometer to get some real data to compare after of gone through all the tyres. Tyres ranged from 43 to 60 and both Motoz come in at 60, I will seem if tread pattern makes a difference to grip when both tyres have the same rubber compound. The Motoz Xtreme Hybrid Gummy work fanatic in loamy terrain but on hard pack or rocky terrain I can feel the tyre walking from side to side.
It's very interesting to hear about the wide range of experiences with gummy tyres of any brand, Dom. I remember trying the Goldentyre gummy soon after it came out and Jarvis was using it for certain events. In a lot of case, especially mud, the knobs flexed and wouldn't bite. I would be stranded on a wet clay hill that inexperienced riders were doing effortlessly! Next time I'm at a hard enduro event I'll ask our top riders about this. I know in typical Aussie events they don't use gummy tyres, I'll try to find out in what conditions they think gummy tyres will actually work well.
@@crosstrainingenduro The tyre previous to the Motoz was a Golden Tyre GT333 Gummy, lasted 1019km and because I'm a tight arse I rode it 'til the knobs were 8mm. Still had plenty of grip in the dry but struggle if it was wet. The stock tyre on the 2022 Beta XT300 is a Shinko Cheater 525 (1186km) which I rate very highly to the point I have a new one waiting for the day. I did notice that the Motoz Arena Hybrid Gummy held it's shape at 0 psi under the bike's weight and is probably a clue to the performance whereas the GT333 will have a large flat contact patch.
Interesting! So the Arena must have really stiff sidewalls then. That might explain why a few riders don't like the Arena then... if they are running their standard 10 to 15psi then it will be skating all over the place!
Haven’t shopped their enduro selection, but MotoZ ADV tyres in Canada are (in my experience ) NOT always that easy to find nor are they more “Affordable”. Quite the opposite! That said, I still like them for combo of durability @ performance.
Bummer to hear, a few viewers have said the USA price really jumped in recent years so probably the same in Canuckistan. 🤔
@@crosstrainingenduro that you know it as Canuckistan both amuses & saddens me. Our global reputation has deteriorated faster than an a mitas E10 under a zesty right wrist
You would try them once at least.
Great tires..
I tried an Extreme Hybrid on a 300 EXC around Imbil, Kenilworth etc. and was not impressed. Too trials orientated for varied terrain, utterly hopeless on anything loose or soft. Yet to find anything that compares to the GT333 for technical enduro riding.
I was just discussing this in another comment... It's very interesting to hear about the wide range of experiences with gummy tyres of any brand. I remember trying the Goldentyre gummy soon after it came out and Jarvis was using it for certain events. In a lot of case, especially mud, the knobs flexed and wouldn't bite. I would be stranded on a wet clay hill that inexperienced riders were doing effortlessly! And of course it only lasted about 10 rides even with zero wheelspinning and not accelerating hard. Next time I'm at a hard enduro event I'll ask our top riders about this. I know in typical Aussie events they don't use gummy tyres, I'll try to find out in what conditions they think gummy tyres will actually work well.
Motoz are some of the best but in the USA they are on the expensive side.
I keep hearing they had a big price hike. I wonder if the importer is cashing in on their popularity? They are the same price as most other brands here...
These are not at all a "value" tire in the USA. Easily 75-100% more than equivalent tires from Mitas, 200% more then Shinko, and 25% more than Heidenau or Continental or Pirelli. They've gotten way too proud of their stuff.
I suspect you'll find it's the distributor cashing in, Nathan. In most cases the manufacturer doesn't control the prices set by national distributors. E.g. KTMs cost way more here in Australia, but are only a few hundred dollars more than the opposition in other countries. Five years ago, the Aussie distributor set the price of Beta bikes and parts very cheaply... a new distributor took over and jacked up all the prices.
I tried the Motoz Arena Hybrid gummy in AUS about 6 months ago for bronze class enduro riding on a KTM 300 tpi,... sorry to say they are worst tyre I've ever had, especially poor on loose off-camber hills. Almost any other trye would be better !!
Yep, in my experience gummy tyres are for very specific scenarios, Phil. In situations like loose hills or mud you actually want firm knobs that will dig in. Soft compounds just allow the knobs to flex and NOT grip! I suspect you may have just had the wrong tyre for your riding? Years back I tried the Goldentyre gummy that Jarvis uses in some events, it was terrible for the majority of our terrain!
@@crosstrainingenduro Agreed, I spent a lot of time experimenting with different tyers, went through about 12 of them, different brands, gummies etc and I came to the same conclusion. IMHO, #1 was the Dunlop MX 53 inter/hard, #2 was Pirelli Scorpion mid/soft. Also found the 120/90 outperforms the 110/100 in all terrains, wet dry, clay soft off camber etc. Luv your work, cheers P
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I've always enjoyed a bit of Dubya... "My fellow Murkins".
Has anyone actually ever been stopped by cops and had their tires inspected for DOT certification?
I haven't. But I find it interesting that there doesn't seem to be any clear info from the govt. I know some bike shops state all tyres must have DOT approval but I can't any info at all... only these statements:
"All tyres fitted to the road wheels of a vehicle, must be of a type constructed and certified for normal road use."
"A tyre fitted to a motor vehicle must, when first manufactured, have been rated by the tyre manufacturer as suitable for road use at the vehicle’s top speed."
Hi, I'm using the Desert tractionator front and rear tires on my 500 exc. For me there long lasting and work well on all turane. Check out my channel for the riding places . But I did notice the front gets squrly at higher speeds. A trade off I'm willing to accept. just my 2p.
Interesting... I've noticed the occasional comment about the Motoz fronts not being quite as good as the rears.