UNDERSTANDING A GOD EMPEROR | Dune/Warhammer 40,000 Lore/History
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:34 The Beginning
11:16 Power Corrupts
20:44 Paul vs Emperor
33:49 Understanding
39:15 A Certain or Uncertain Destiny
49:58 Final thoughts
52:04 Outro
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We return with a thought about - the man himself. But also - The God Emperor of DUNE.
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Bless the Maker and his Water
Would love to see Marcus Aurelius discussed for sure. By far the best Roman Emperor, and one of the few examples of someone achieving absolute power and not being a diabolical psychopath.
@@TheBryceWade That would be one hell of a complex vid to structure and detail to do it justice. But yes - agree.
I'm a Simp for God Emps
Praise the emperor. I have s morning shift to wake up for in 6h and i could not fall asleep. Ty gor this video
Sleep squad
Reporting in
💯
Just in time for me
I try to imagine myself in the gardens of Nurgle, that makes me relax
In bed right now, about to enjoy this!
Honey!, Luetin is going on about God Emperors again!
Wishful thinking! 😉
This comment trend is just cringe
Lmfao, I am trying to watch this video and my wife won't stop talking about honey. 😅 is this a coincidence?
Leutin talking about The Emperor? Immediate click, every time.
Every. Single. Time.
No matter which emperor
However if you listen to his 40k playlist in order, it gets pretty tiring hearing 5+ hours of consecutive lore about the Emperor, at least 1/3rd of which is meta-discussion, and at least another 1/3rd is repetitive because he wants each video to stand on its own. Like at this point I've heard enough about Big E... but I'm still gonna watch and enjoy this video
And its not heresy this time
Everyone in the Imperium: "God Emperor has plans for us all."
God Emperor who is just going with the flow at this point: "Yes... Let's go with that."
Yeah. The best metaphor I've found for diviniation is 40k is that you're going down a river with a boat. You can choose where to turn and see things ahead, but when you get to the rapids it's hard to tell what will happen along the way.
If you’ve seen the Rick and Morty episode where Morty gets his hand on a Death Crystal then that’s (Theoretically) a pretty good visual representation of what it’s like.
The Emperor just follows the Rule of Cool. That explains all of his choices. He's just like "Yo dude! That'll be cooooool!"
@@sixghill1925i mean if multiple beings can see the future foresight just turns into a 4D chess you see what you will do but the enemy as well so you change your move but the enemy can also see that but you saw that he/she/it saw
Turns into if everybody is special no one is
@@inthefade Ayyooooooooo 😎👉👉
The fact these videos are so well produced and absolutely free is mind boggling. You deserve all the success you’ve had and much more. Thank you.
Idd still pay for it even if it wasn’t free
Lots of ads in these videos, I don’t consider it free
Its on your side to get rid of them either by paying toll or by some other means@@mamba101
I think so too. As a new-comer in the in Warhammer 40K lore, thank you for your videos.
@@mamba101 some of us pay for TH-cam premium makes it free to u got your own subscription some place else stop complaining nobody cares
As a historian this aspect of uncertainty is honestly my favorite part of 40k lore. In most works we get "the truth" and are just along for the ride, where as in 40k we get told a tale and it is up to us to interpret that story and how it fits with other stories given previously. It makes the lore feel alive and gives an endless dept that I love to dive into, and I very much so love to witness your masterful deep dives as well. To me 40k isn't just a story, it is a mythology, and it is a pleasure to explore it along side you.
I will kill Ironwill this chapter
As a historian here from Brazil, I agree with you - also, because of the sheer size of the scenario, there is so many space left for creation that you can create your own mini scenario while adhering to the main lore.
Can I ask if you think the view of Emps was in line with Oswald Spengler? Spengler is fricking fascinating for his predictive ability and his willingness to put aside pride and, more than MArx, ethnocentric thinking. It is ironic that the Rightwing Spengler is less a modernist than Marx despite the latter giving imputes to postmodernity. I feel as though the Emperor would agree on Decline of the West's fundamental theory of History. That civilizations are organisms destined to death at the moment of birth.
@@user-cz9jj2em2v nah, the problem is that new lore threw the notion of the Emperor being this amalgamation of souls born in Anatolia away...
And it was a Necron who confirmed this when talking to (I believe) Belissarius Cawl.
"The Machine-God, the Chaos Entities, your Emperor, those are not gods: the first is a lie, the second are just amalgamations of residual psychic resonance, and the third is a WEAPON."
@@Jamhael1 emps is the last surviving golden man, only one surviving because all perished but he's a perpetual
I prefer Robert Caro's quote on power. “Power doesn’t corrupt, it reveals.”"
Sounds like Frank Herbert's version. He said it's not that power corrupts, rather that it attracts the corruptible.
Beat me to it. The Emperor, to me, seems to fall more in line with Caro's ideas of power, authoritarianism, and control.
@@smoothmouthfeel I absolutely agree with you.
@@askani21 You call the Emperor corruptible? Heresy!!!
@@Skargar Oh no! I was tainted by the vile horrors of philosophy and critical thinking! I must purify myself!!!
*(Jumps into a fire)*
An exploration of Leto II and his philosophies would be a very good thing for anyone who likes 40k to check out.
I was hoping to do it on a later video.
Must follow the golden path
@@Luetin09Well in that case, get back in the kitchen and start cooking :D
By far my favorite book.
Yeah, Leto II has more in common with 40k's God Emperor, but Paul is better to show the dichotomy between the two personalities for this video
There just isn’t anyone else making 40K content like this. LT is just on a different level.
"What would you do with ultimate power?" will always be one of the most interesting philosophical questions to me, because we've seen what countless individuals throughout history have done with even a fraction of that power, and it usually does not end well for all those involved. Possessing power does not mean one possesses understanding or wisdom, and simply having good intentions does not prevent one from committing immoral or evil acts. In fact, it usually does just the opposite. How many figures in history are regarded as benevolent rulers, compared to those viewed as tyrants and dictators? We'd all like to imagine ourselves leading people to a utopian society of peace and prosperity, but do did most leaders who have the blood of millions on their hands...
I didn't expect you to be here but I'm kinda not surprised.
I have no illusions in my mind of being a benevolent ruler if I had absolute power there is few who would make a good ruler and most that would never choose to try and take power
Political Philosophy is the only kind that matters
I like to quote Terry Pratchett,
desiring power ought to disqualify you from wielding it.
Im pretty sure a character says it in his discworld series and then goes on to say leaders ought to be selected from the least willing if we wanted the best results from them.
A comical vision that fits perfectly in his world but one i often consider. If you want it, its probably for the wrong reasons.
Not exactly the easiest thing to screen for at interviews I imagine.
@@daviddines479yes that fits perfectly
A Star Wars show Andor has a quote that fits the Big E perfectly:
"And what do you sacrifice"
"Calm. Kindness. Kinship. Love. I've given up all chance at inner peace. I've made my mind a sunless space. I share my dreams with ghosts. I wake up every day to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there's only one conclusion, I'm damned for what I do. My anger, my ego, my unwillingness to yield, my eagerness to fight, they've set me on a path from which there is no escape. I yearned to be a savior against injustice without contemplating the cost and by the time I looked down there was no longer any ground beneath my feet. What is my sacrifice? I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else's future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see. And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice? Everything! You'll stay with me, Lonni. I need all the heroes I can get."
Spoken by Luthen none the less!
Im glad it got a second season, but its still the anomaly and not representative of the IP as a whole sadly.
@@Luetin09unironically i find it as the best piece of star wars live action media. (Not counting first 6 movies).
@@billybob-zk9nm Ironically I think Andor would actually be better if it wasn't tied to the star wars IP.
A quote from we happy few:
"I wish I still believe in some kind of mercy"
"Life goes on, that is mercy."
@@chalk1415 honestly ya. Great show imo the aspect of it being in str wars ties it down a little. I wished we could see the more gritty aspects of it but inherently star wars is just a media machine intended for merchandise and toy sales(which means it has to be oriented to be kidish-friendly)
THIS. This is why I love lovecraftian horror. Not just the horror of total collapse. Not just the horror of the loss of humanity. But the dread of knowing the likely end, the maybe infinite struggle. Some may request for lesser burdens. Yet what people should have asked for, are broader shoulders. There is the scare, the fear and the final horror, the thinking man's fear: dread.
Edit: I may be a 40k novice player (a friend got me into it a few months ago) - but when it comes to lore I've seen way to much of Leutin's videos and I find Leutin to have a fair and open view on the mythos. I love the uncertainty in 40k. I love the possibilities. It's true sci-fi.
do you have discord?
I can tell from the way you write it was just a typo: seen way _too_ much*
"Do not pray for easy lives my friends, pray to be stronger men"
You could almost say the fear is lurking
*opens youtube*
"uploaded 30 seconds ago"
Hell yeah
"7 Minutes Ago" here
44 mins ago, but it's the first video I clicked!
The beginning where you went through things from The Emperor's POV was neat, would like a theoretical video on how he may have seen things up until being put on the golden throne.
The mystery around Big E continues to be my favorite aspect of 40k.
Golden man
Brother, if you want to do a Dune video, we are all here for it. You don't need to mesh it with the Emperor. We can overlook a vid or 2 of Heresy.
Always love the work and appreciate the effort!👊🏼
A video on the sardaukar would be amazing
absolutely! i'd love them!!
A vid discussing the great houses and the interworkings of each and how they interact with each other would be really cool too
Check out some of the stuff on his other playlists. Not to knock the guy but some things are misfiled or tucked away in odd places. His vids of Judge Dredd are great for instance.
Leto II 🤝[Insisting they're not gods while giving mixed signals] 🤝 Big E
Yes, thoughts on the actual god emperor of Dune. I think Leto ll is a better comparison.
If Leto II were to rule the Imperium of 40K, we would have won against Chaos by now. None of his sons would have betrayed him because he saw that shit coming from the beginning already. In fact, he saw the billions of ways the Heresy could transpire and has made a contingency plan for each of them.
What exactly was mixed about Leto IIs signals. He was pretty fkn clear he was a God and everyone else could go f themselves
@@NOVVSORDOSECLORVMyeah leto definitely didn’t tell anyone but his closest guards/servants/psychophants that he wasn’t a god. He fully pushed his divinity on everyone else. Hell I can’t remember her name but the main fish speaker was called out by leto for being a sycophant and he hated people like her and told her he wasn’t a god and she’s literally like “yes god, whatever you say god.”
You will help my assasins kill me and obey their orders whatever they may be. “Yes god you obviously have an omnipotent plan I will serve my lord. Yes god”
@@NOVVSORDOSECLORVM "publicly"
Started watching Lutein without a blocker because I'm gonna fall asleep so I won't notice the ads anyway; give the man his ad revenue 😂
Appreciate the B5 Kosh quote! My favorite B5 quote is from Durano : "In my experience, if you can't say what you mean, you can never mean what you say. The details are everything." Get JMS onboard writing for a 40K series would be awesome!
semper ad imperatorem
Maybe you're already aware, but Frank Herbert actually spoke about that corruption quote in an interview.
I like your interpretation, that the authority and control eats at your sense of self and twists you into something people perceive as corrupted.
But Herbert offered a different view, that the alure of all that power attracts those that are already corrupted or are naturally more susceptible to that corruption.
Great video! Love your work and love it when you delve into these discussions!
Corruption empowers. Absolute corruption empowers absolutely.
I almost never comment anything on this site (because of a severe case of laziness), but since I'm drunk right now I guess I can make an exception:
Dear Luetin, I'm a ukrainian, and I must say that your videos was one of those things that pulled me out of an abyss of despair when the war started. Your love towards the lore and the way you present it to your audience is outstanding and inspiring. Even thou I'm a long-lasting fan of 40k universe I always found something new in your videos, or at least experience facts and events of this incredible story from an unexpected angle.
So thank you for your work.Thank you for calming me down when the freaking rockets fly over my roof. Thank you for a possibility to say "ackchyually" every time when I discuss Warhammer with my friends.
P.S. you're my favourite sleeping pill
Stay safe mate. 🙏
@@Luetin09 Doing my best, but stay asured even when I'll get drafted I'll still be listening to your videos in the trench, so hey, don't delay a new one (no preasure).
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My favorite Babylon 5 quote was the conversation between ivanova and Lorien. About the gift of being short lived is that you can believe love is eternal
Also Lennier: "All love is unrequited..."
@@ZenPyramid that was a good one given his own feelings. I just like the Lorien comment because it is so beautifully hopeless. Eternity is loneliness and on a long enough timeline everything turns to ashes. He outlived all his friends and all his loved ones... His entire race
I just liked at the end when he said you should embrace that beautiful delusion. There was a layer on top of that. Not only is it a sweet thing, but it's also hiding his own bitterness because he calls it a delusion
@@andrewostman3135 ...aye, perhaps the whole purpose of our magical consciousness is to shield us from the hash realities of the Warp, or reality, or wtvr is out there, beyond our ken. And if you walk the path as an endless loop, and see immortality as a bitter pill, who would not want to hide within delusion and phantasy, and dream of eternal love once again.
Aye, that you for reminding me of Lorien's tragedy, it is a great story element. The First of all First ones, alone... forever.... *sob
The whole idea of Paul is that he was terrified of his visions and desperately wanted to prevent the future in his visions from coming true. In the second half of his life he literally does everything he can to dismantle the image of his divinity. His son, Leto II, instead embraced the golden path and becomes the God Emperor of Dune so I think he's a much better comparison with the Emperor
Amazing timing. Just ran out of lore videos while working in my garden. Refreshed my feed to see my dream come true, a video from the god emperor himself.
Ooops I mean ON, ON the god empower himself. 😅
I swear, I am not a heretic!!!
"All hail the Man-Emperor of Mankind!"
I love that Triple Edged Sword quote.
Understanding is important and I don't think I would do what the Emperor would because the Emperor's failing wasn't his great foresight or his immense psychic power and intelligence, or even his ambition. His undoing is that he doesn't understand, and this is what the people beside him see, he doesn't truly understand what being human is so he fails to understand that his path being the only way is extremely flawed.
The reason I think the Emperor could have done differently if he'd realised what the priest at "The last Church" said meant. Because the Emperor's response shows that he is the same as any other Tyrant the response him saying the difference between he and other Tyrants is that he is right.tato
The only difference between him and any other political figure who claims "I alone can fix it" is that the Emperor has been written into an objectively Godlike figure at this point. That gives his violence a more biblical flavor than it would have if he were just a garden variety tyrant, albeit on a galactic scale.
I'm not even sure we knew for certain that the Imperial Cult wasn't just Weekend at Bernie's before the Heresy books, did we (I may be totally off there)?
@@doobiousd5020 A lot of the reason people think the Emperor failed or has some kind of flaw is an inability to understand moral impetus. Do you know why a person who pulls a gun on a cop, but never fires, is still responsible for the cop’s bullet passing by and striking someone else?
The moral genesis of the situation is still on the person pulling a gun on the cop. Without that initial act, the bystander would not be shot. The Emperor did not exist when the moral genesis of his response first originated. The moral crimes here are Chaos’s. The state of the Imperium as it exists in 40k is the fault of Chaos.
@@TheSpicyLeg and the xenos, and the heretics, and the whatevers. Really one of the most basic reverse causality arguments totalitarians all seem to make.
I have a very nerdy history/ literature take and the situation reminds me of the French Revolution but specifically of a fictional account called Danton's Death. Even if all the blood "deserved" or "needed" to be spilled, it would still have been on his hands and it's not worth it. In this verse, the "worth it" part has to be invented in the form of Xenos and Chaos. However, we gamers have the out-of-character knowledge to know that they don't actually exist and that the underlying arguments are literally fantastical. 40K doesn't justify messianic leaders, it satirizes them.
Almost my favourite Vorlon quote that one, however number one spot in my personal Koshism's goes to:
"It's too late for the pebbles to vote once the avalanche has started..."
(Bonus points for: "We are ALL Kosh...")
So reading "God Emperor of Dune" long ago, the Emperor has always been very understandable.
I mean hell, without Magnus messing up the webway he might have succeeded to cut human reliance on the warp off, unite basically the entire galaxy and had the people and structures in place to grant humanity an eternal golden age. All in just 300 years.
What people forget is that the horrors of 40k was never intended, and even the oppression of 30k was there just to facilitate the above mentioned huge undertaking.
The Emperor needed to get it done fast to avoid the obvious problems you get from oppressing people for a long time, which is what he had likely studied over thousands of years of human history.
Knowing that if he did not do it, and do it right, humanity would cease. Because if not he, then who? And would they be better?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
And the Emperor's intentions were the best of all.
Not just that but probably racing to try to prevent the chaos gods from messing up his plans too. Unfortunately, that did not go well, at all.
@@LexYeen This is why I dont like this comparison. I dont accept that the god Emperor and Big E are alike. Leto we see hear and feel. E hides constantly. Leutin tells us in 40k time is fluid and there is no canon, things that never were can come to be, so there can be no golden path. no singular path to salvation. Unlikely as it is in Dune I feel like we get shown that this was correct and necessary. And Leto bows out when his part is done. (and actually dies).
@@daviddines479 While true, imagine if we never had Leto's point of view. Thousands of years of oppression.just to teach humanity a lesson? And there we see the final result. In 40k we deal with a failed attempt, a story where no one won in the end and everyone left have to deal with it.
But is it worse then to try and fail that never to try? Because we don't know the horrors humanity could have faced without the Emperors attempt.
@@5chr4pn3ll My personal feeling is that the emperor lies because he wants everyone to do what he wants without telling them the truth. I dont trust him. I think he would lie to the entire galaxy to get what he wanted. I dont trust that what he wants is the best thing for humanity, its likely the best thing for him with humanity being present in a capacity of his choosing.
I think whether to try or not being more morally virtuous, or perhaps to say the greatest good with the least harm for all, depends on the motivations of individuals. If everything Big E says was true then it likely would be better to try and fail and attempt to adapt. If he led humanity on a merry dance because he decided in a very uncertain world that it was necessary to sacrifice the souls and lives of billions for him to become a god, then its hardly better to join his crusade than not. If it was certain in the 40k verse humanity would disappear then it is unarguably better to stand with him. His closest companions abandoned him for the most part. Apparently cusodians are incapable of loyalty to the emperor. So he had that capability in the making of his warriors. And yet his primarchs had the free will the custodes lacked and turned against him. Half of them anyway. He never explained the dangers of the warp to his primarchs. A warp involved in their creation. He sought to hide his involvement with it and warned people against it without revealing his true wisdom on the matter and his own continued use of it. He claims to have reasons but its all very convenient. I dont think anything is certain in the 40k verse. Well war aside.
Prescience is never questioned in dune and as far as i can see is always useful in guiding decisions and actions. Leto appears far more prescient than E. His justification for his persecution of humanity is to forge a human gene the machine god cannot track using prescience. And despite his efforts humanity is nearly extinguished anyway. And he chose to die when his part was done.
In early to simply thank Luetin09 for all your hard work and dedication to the lore of Warhammer 40K. Job very well done.
Never did i expect i'd hear a quote from B5 here. Then again, Luetin is well read and well watched.
Taiping Rebellion. One of the most unheard of human massacres in human history. Both intriguing and fits into the 40k theme of mass death. Love all you do mate!
The whole 'three edged sword' quote has some profound meaning.
The single joint lesson that can be learned from both God Emperors is that humanity is never satisfied and happy. Not if there is only war (WH40k) but neither is it when there is only peace (Dune).
2 videos in the span of a month, What Sorcery is this!
Being The Emperor must be like playing Sid Meier's Civilization games. A single ruler guiding a people for thousands of years, not caring about the individuals or their lives, just focused on advancing the tech tree towards victory.
Luetin, I just want to express my upmost admiration and Passion for your dedication to warhammer. There not a single warhammer lore youtuber whom I admire more than you. Your objectivity, your sources, your passion and your portrayal of your videos grips me like no other can. Each one of your videos is gripping and intriguing, and as such I find myself immersed ever more deeply into the setting thanks to your videos. And for that, Thank you Luetin. Thank you for your time, dedication, and passion to the setting.
Long time listener here Luetin. Your videos are my go-to for 40k lore!
I love how you think about things from different perspectives, it really makes the 40k universe feel real.
You rock, Emperor be with you.
Every time my interest in 40k wavers (in no small part due to GW themselves ), he appears..
Grand Regent of Historical Events, Lord Luetin, First of His Name.
dropping a lore video to center my mind on what’s important in life..
…spending multiple hours a day, pondering 40k lore like my life depended on it.
Love you Brother.
Always a pleasure to hear someone use the word ‘myriad’ correctly
Another Luetin Video, another thing to add to my sleep list. Luetin Sleep Squad Represent.
If I may play Devil's advocate: All those other human civilizations that were "doing just fine"? They all fell before a larger force that had the resources and numbers from not just one world or system, but many.
Now replace the Emperor's Crusade with a Tyranid hive fleet or an Ork Waagh. From this perspective, these other human empires were always destined to fall sooner or later because they were small and isolated.
At least the reunification Crusade wanted these worlds alive.
In a certain sense, so does the tyranid scourge. As far as the harvesting of memories. Also chaos.
Absolutely not inevitable
@@jamesbaurus5928 Oh? And what evidence do you have that shows isolated populations in the galaxy are perfectly fine?
This is what gets missed all the time with 40k. The galaxy was not a drum circle prior to humanity, it isn’t one now, and it won’t be one in another 10k years. It’s a fictional universe where Darwinism is able to take its course. As a biologist friend of mine likes to say, “There are no pacifists in the animal kingdom”. In fact, one of the theories on why we as humans haven’t been annihilated by an advanced alien race is that it is difficult, if not impossible, to travel the vast distances in the galaxy. It’s less likely that aliens are all just pacifists that let us alone because they morally abhor violence.
There was, in reality, no real choice for the Emperor, unless you consider destruction an option. Humanity was dying out during Old Night. It’s illuminating that even after they became traitors, the one thing the traitor Primarchs all agreed upon with the Loyalists was that Old Night had to be ended. Horus even says in the Heresy cinematic about banishing it with the Emperor. That was game over, whether it took 10 years or 10,000, humanity would be snuffed out.
Ave Deus Imperator Anathema.
This episode is the reason why Luetin is one of my fave youtubers.
How can one love when the Lore Master tends to get on tangents? I feel myself smiling ear to ear, taking a beat just before Luetin himself aknowledges his own tendencies to just go hours "offscript" XD
Love your work! I fell asleep during the intro at 3am, and really getting into the video at 10am ^^
The scary thing is that the lore is so well written and so far ahead in time, that it is impossible to say whether or not there is any real world truth to it all
I think there's a missed opportunity here. Paul's story only slightly parallels that of the 40K God Emperor. The true parallel is between Paul's son Leto II and the God Emperor. For one, they're both actually referred to as a God Emperor by their subjects, while Paul, for all his visionary powers, was always understood to be mortal by his followers. By contrast, the merging of Leto with the worm makes him functionally immortal and distant from normal humanity in the same way that the Golden Throne does, and Leto's deep ancestral memory gives him the same familiarity with the bygone generations of humanity that the Emperor of Mankind has through his direct experience of living through it.
Where you could take things further is in comparison of their ultimate plans. Leto's' tyranny is intentional. It is meant to create a new ancestral memory in humans that will ensure that they will scatter away to the corners of the universe, so that the species will effectively be impossible to eradicate entirely, this being based on their revulsion from totalitarian rule, instilled by Leto. Additionally, his breeding program creates a new gene in humans that makes them invisible to the form of prescience that the Bene Gesserit created via their Kwisatz Haderach program, this also intended to safeguard humanity from extinction. We can ask whether the God Emperor of the 40K verse has such plans in mind for the evolution of humanity, and we can assume he does via what we know from Malcador and the long-term plans there. Anyway, hope you follow this up in the future with a Leto video.
Yup the webway plan was to safeguard humanity from the warp so he could starve chaos and find a way to have humanity develop the blank gene naturally (though he did make a artificial version that was to out of control and forbid it to ever be researched again)
What's the Kwisatz Haderach?
@@wernerfuhry Basically it's a milleniums old-effort to create an God-Emperor equivalent. The Kwisatz Haderach would be a male that could access the genetic memory of all his ancestors. The Bene Gessarit Reverend Mothers could access the genetic memory of all their female ancestors, but they couldn't access their male ancestors. The KH could access both.
@@kashk42 ah thanks for the answer and explanation!
Leto was the worst. Herbert was an apologist and specifically chose to glorify this type of authoritarianism.
Golden path my a**
8 years ago you released the first Emperor video...this was the first video I ever listened to about 40k and I've been on the hook ever since. Thanks LT, for introducing me to this, and damn you as well I guess 😂.
Man I really enjoyed the narrative perspective from the start. Nice vid man you did a new thing and it's REALLY good
Personally, I favor the worship true god emperor theory , i think it fits quite well with the grand themes of 40k and the similarities with Leto II's grand plan. (Long post ahead)
The Emperor built the state of the 40k humanity, planning it and orchestrating it to be that way in order to achieve ascension.
As we know, the emperor is the strongest psyker there is, one with tens of thousands of years of experience scrying the warp, he has predicted elements of future 40k such as calling Belisarius Cawl's mentor by cawl's name and leaving him a message from the past. We also have legitimate ways of foretelling by way of holy relics, emperor's tarot etc. Aswell as lesser psykers such as sanguinius foreseeing major events in mainline 40k aswell as the eventual fate of the emperor. So it would make perfect sense for him to have foreseen an event as major as the heresy.
We know the emperor wants to save mankind from the horrors of the 40k, and in a world where the gods themselves seek to prevent you from reaching your goal, the only way of doing so would be for him to ascend, to have power to rival that of gods, from which he could shield humanity for all time, purging all that would oppose it.
He would obviously know of the eldar's birth of slannesh and the power which emotion and most importantly, faith holds, enough to give birth to a god, and surely enough to ascend one to godhood.
With the emperor's experience living through human history, he should have known 2 fundamental principle, A: Human have a desire for worship, to seek that which is greater and
B, Misery breeds faith.
Thus with all the pieces present, there would only need a catalyst to put his master plan to motion, a plan which would requires his death and that of countless trillions, spanning an untold timespan and of uncertain outcome but leading to the ultimate salvation of all mankind.
So he moves forward, at a time of great misery he arises, clad in traditional messianic imagery yet depriving man of the euphoria of faith, of a savior, instead preaching a creed of cold materialism in a dark universe.
He hides chaos from his sons, making them ripe for corruption. Planting a fissure for those ever watching gods to use, to exploit. But it was bait, a mighty tasty one at that. As to plan, the gods take the bait and turns his sons against him, giving him the catalyst of ascension.
Knowing the outcome, the emperor goes forward, taking the carefully calculated steps that would lead to his death at the hands of a divine puppet: Horus.
Chaos might have though him defeated, slain yet for him, he already has begun the steps of ultimate victory.
Each piece falls into place, the faith he has deprived man comes back amplified, as a flood washing over humanity as a whole. The state of strife he built amplifies this, with quadrillions of humans worshipping him at all hours of the day, praying for salvation, devoting their very life to him. The thousands of psykers is an extra boost to this.
Over 10k years this has went on, the emperor slowly gaining power, his various masks long washed away, leaving only the undead god on the verge of descending. He is stronger than he ever was before, his power unimaginable to even a primarch.
The great rift boosts this, further increasing his power and it is working. He who is on the throne stirs once more. Even the servants of chaos sense this, with ku gath and mortarion sharing a dialogue over this.
Humanity needs only to hold off extinction, to survive as long as they can, until their god becomes complete.
Thus my vision for the "end times" of 40k is as such :
With the tyranids swarming over the skies of terra, every last bastion breached, the emperor on his throne lies unmoving while billions of bugs swarm towards him, seeking his death. Before him the custodes give their lives, commander Dante at their head. Fulfilling the vision sanguinius had long ago. Yet the moment before the endless mass of bugs reached him, time stops, golden light bursts forth from the throne, turning all tyranid near him to ash. The light spreads across the sol system, cleansing all it touches. Within the warp, chaos reels with the arrival of their latest member, one who is anathema to the 4.
Across terra and in the orbits above. Trillions of golden shadows condenses into solid form, some taking shape of mortal guardsmen, some space marine and even the primarchs of old. Millions of radiant ships assembles into mighty battlefleets never seen since the war in heaven. The army of the unliving, and leading them all: the True God Emperor.
He will lead the final crusade into the void and warp alike, cleansing xenos, heretic and mutan alike. Securing a domain of "pure space" from which those who threaten man could not enter.
A reformed paradise since the days of Eden and his final gift to man.
Pease write for GW they clearly cant do it themselves (im looking at you ADB amd dan abnet)
I think emps ended up here by accident. Otherwise he was faking the atheistic rationalism the whole time. What makes MUCH more sense is that he fell to Nietzsche's madman: He who destroys god must become god himself to be worthy of it. N meant that symbologically, but it still works for emps. He removed all other religion and inadvertently became the source of all religion. And he didn't intend to, but played directly into his visions in an attempt to stop the future he saw
@cosmictreason2242 of course he was faking the rationalism. GW has always used the emps as a cautionary tale, not like herbert does with Leto II: I.E. glorification
@@CopeSeethorntinthey clearly can and have done. Its never been the story you imagined, its always been a critique and paraody
@@jamesbaurus5928 you are right and I do love it it's just when ever you try to break down intricate plot points to make sense of it only for the writer to throw some BS out of knowwhere to keep the plot going like the whole Horus being redeemed in the End of the Death (better explain yourself Dan). And the self inserting ADB gets up to with the Emperors relationship with logar mirroring his own relationship with his father pretty well (you better explain yourself Aronn) removing any ideological nuance from the setting and turning the Entire Horus Heresy in to in to a tantrum fit.
As when you break down certain primachs justifications though somewhat justified at first, whrn You try to break down there reasons and how it relates to the rest of the setting.
Do you realize they didn't betray the Emperor because of the implications of the crusade and the loss of life but that simply most, not all but most of them just being a bunch of Emo power trippers. As there's genuinely no actuall conflict of loyalties that manefist outside of the primachs themselves that isn't just "daddy didn't love me so now I'm gonna commit even more g*nocide" with only the loyalists and the once who stayed true to the Emperor genuinely questioning what the Crusades really mean and having a genuine conflict of loyalties, and ideological shifts.
And when referring to the traitors though ADB does to a wonderful job of presenting them it acts more like a coat of paint as when you start unpacking there motives though reasonable and there hatred for there father being somewhat justified when you look at them individually. But start comparing and exeming how they relate to the rest of the galaxy and comparing them to everybody else like the loyalists who in my opinion were always the likeliest to me to go traitor as there conflict is just that good especially since most of them are written and developed by others separate writer's. Do you realize a disparity in character and just how over reactive though justified still quite eyebrow raising and go "this is so good but dumb" in your head.
ADB in short knows how to display his writing and is genuinely a good writer when it comes to showing characters and manifesting them. But when you break it all down to it's base do you question "Ok what is this man smoking" as the heresy goes from a conflict of loyalties dilemmas within there traitors separate from whether or not the Emperor loved them to "An army of man children demigods try to blow up reality because there daddy didn't give the enough head pats" like you genuinely question the mantel state of primachs and there reasons for going A wall because as soon as you break them all done the more you realize just how dumb and honestly self inflicated most of there problems are.
Angron was honestly the only primach to have logic reason you can understand as his reasoning for going against the Emperor went beyond the Emperor as he simply didn't want to serve under a nother tyrant.The other traitor primachs are all just a bunch of schmeat riders who had there Egos challenged and decided to burn reality to the ground over it.
And you guess most of them are written by ADB, his good at building and relaying characters as people you can sympathise with and understand them as actuall people but when it comes to narrative building and how it relates to the rest the setting that's when he falls flat.
Dan Abnet is honestly the opposite to ADB and pretty self explanatory as bro treats the setting like a play ground than anything else as he can build the most mind blowing world building setting breaking narratives descions. But when it comes down to creating characters we get MF like John grammatacus and Erda, you've seen the memes around Abnet so I'm just gonna see my self out.
All in all most of there writing is mostly throwing crap at the wall and hope something sticks due to the occasional writers civil war that happens at GW pretty frequently and the consequence of to many writers cooking in the kitchen. Due to, to many contradicting creative descions being made that everybody can't agree on which leads to the most BS plot points ever conceived by any writer and in the process they try to zealously cover it up.
Thanks for going over Dune in this video. Paul and his son, Leto II, are very interesting supreme power characters because of their relationship with power and their willingness, or lack of, to become monsters in order to put humanity on their Golden Path, the best bad option it seems. Paul tried to do the monstrous things the path required without losing his humanity. It seems that he got off of his path when he realized this was no longer possible. Leto II realized that losing his humanity was the only way now to keep humanity on the path or face destruction. Perhaps he was able to make this choice because he never really had a normal human life. Paul at least got to live his early years as typical high born lad. Looking at the Emperor in light of this, I wonder if he considers that he abandoned his humanity, or was he trying to hold on to it?
Thanks for the thought provoking vid. Great stuff.
LT you and you alone got me into the absolutely awsome lore that is 40k. Thank you.
I just logged on YT to scroll multiple 40K channels to find lore I haven't heard before and this was the first thing when I logged into YT
Thanks for all your hard work Luetin!
... so shocked and pleased to hear that great Kosh quote ... well done sir
Man i have been listening to your vids for last six years and every single one is brilliant. You are amazing luetin. I have been a fan of 40k for over 20 years and i have to say you are the reason i am as involved in the hobby as a whole as i am now and all i can is thank you for all the hard work you put into your content. Please keep up the amazing work and i wish all the best for you and your family.
This became your best video ever as soon as I heard the Babylon 5 quote
"Story telling by committee" truly a cutting insult and one I will continue to use in reference to Disney.
Sounds like Luetin has been listening to Nerdrotic
@@cosmictreason2242 i sure as hell hope not
I have notifications enabled on a good bunch of channels, but this is the only one that either makes me stop everything to watch the video or get anxious if I do not have the time to watch it when it pops up. And this one was fantastic to watch, as usual.
Luetin! This is awesome. I’ve done some advanced studies in theology / philosophy and psychology. This stuff is fun. Thanks for it.
Brothers. It's STORY TIME!
What makes the Emperor of all Mankind special?
What draws people to him... Is the idea of unity.
The idea that we can come together for a cause, the best cause that there is... Humanity.
When our energy is not directed at each other we are capable of incredible things.
Mankind’s zenith proved this
When we chose knowledge and understanding over ignorance is when are at our best
Fantastic video, you had me hooked from the intro, which was particularly great! The music, voice, words, superb! It really set the tone, at least for me!
Wasn't paying full attention as I was doing my work...
Then I hear this at 12:20 and went
50 episode of 100 hour luetin going on historical tangent?
Consider me signed up man!
Leto II dared to ask the hardest question of all:
Would you still love me if I was a worm?
Heck you
100 hour video? 50 episode series? Yes please!
Great video man. Just great pacing and compelling arguments.
Phenomenal work as always, thank you for painting such a vivid picture on the canvas of my imagination Luetin. A much-needed and well-timed distraction to lose myself in for a bit
Praise the emperor, a new Luetin
Me : I need some sleep
The emperors chosen ( the inquisition most wanted heretic ) drops a video
Me : forsake sleep to watch
I'll drift off to it, then relisten at work the next day. Nothing wrong with racking up the views!
How heavy & awesome is this narrative!?
You've made great work here! Ty
Dear Mr Luetin, thanks again for a very well written, produced and narrated video. Those 11 minutes straight of narration at the beginning of the video are nothing short of a masterpiece. A very good piece of writing and the tone, calm, reflective, cold, calculating to match. One of your best "intro" so far.
As for a proposition of a real historical figure you can discuss for our enjoyment, Napoleon is the first to come to mind.
Thanks again.
"PRAISE TO SHAI HULUD, PRAISE TO PAUL MUAD'DIB ATREIDES, EMPEROR OF THE KNOWN UNIVERSE, LISAN-AL-GAIB!!!!!"
After the AI edit I can only read this in trumps voice
Thank you so much for not getting caught up in the recent Warhammer drama. So glad to see you just keep making good content.
Honestly I think carrying on and ignoring it is probably best. The changes they are trying to force are just so antithetical to what Warhammer fundamentally is that it’s just oxymoronic lol.
The last ten years has taught me that we have no obligation to adhere to what the controllers of the IP, be it 40k, star wars, SoIaF, etc, want us to consider canon or "real" or whatever.
@@stephencronin1080very true
Christ is King
Peter Parker is Spider Man
There have never been female custodes
"So really what this video is about today is..."
Glad we got the intro out of the way 39 minutes in 😂
Another amazing video, thank you for all the time/effort that you put into these.
Ave Deus Imperator Anathema
What does this mean
@@stephencronin1080Hail God Emperor Anathema
was planning to go to work. now ive told my boss to go to "the warp" so i can chill in bed listening to our lore master
The emperor was up against Tzeentch. With an opponent like that, it's a miracle only about half the primarchs turned and that humanity survived at all.
thank you for the content! After all these years, you keep stepping up your game and keep things refreshing
That speech at the beginning still gives me chills, so well done sir!
Bronze Age Collapse video from you would be a masterpiece to use for history lessons in schools!
Just leaving a comment to tell you you're a legend - keep going man, these works are incredible.
Another great video brother Luetin! It is indeed fascinating the parallels between Paul and the Emperor, and understanding why they did what they did.
Just had a terrible day, a smoke while earing this is such a stress free thing to do. And amazing content has always.
Being a Sanguinius fanboy, and having trouble finding a good youtube video to watch about him, I would love that you do something about him.
Always had a bit of a vibe of archangel Michael about him, not sure if he somehow is based on him, but that would be a great take from you. Thanks Luetin!
That intro, even though it was speculative, was incredible. Really made me consider what the world would look like from big Es perspective
appreciate, Ive had a lot of comments to that effect, makes me feel more positive for my own fiction that Im working on.
Leutin your vid’s got me hooked on 40k lore thanks for all the great content
Went on a morning walk yesterday when this video just had come out. Hearing Luetin camly and vividly retelling the emprerors life was the perfect start to the day. And it made me realise that i would buy any audiobook read by Luetin in a heartbeat!!
After reading your post yesterday and listening to your essay(video) a few times, i am starting to understand the parallels you draw between Paul and Big E 🎉 Very well done my sir! I still want a second part that discusses the similarities with Leto II, which would be a most tasty low hanging fruit.
Excellent video! I think there's some good insights to be had from the character of Doctor Manhattan from the Watchmen universe as well, particularly how precience can be combined with humanity, fallibility and personal relationships.
Yeah it’s another good character example
I always play your videos twice. Once to fall asleep to, then again while I’m at work so I can learn more of the 40k lore. Thank you for these excellent uploads!
Videos like this are why I recommend leutin to everyone that asks me what 40k is about.
One of my favorite videos in a while Luetin09! You are so damn consistent in the quality of your stuff its amazing!
Great video, Luetin09!
You do a great job taking vague lore speculation, implications and threads and weaving them into a coherent format. I would love to see you do a dedicated video for the alpha legion.
For me, Absolute power does not corrupt but reveal a person strength and weaknesses
I think the Emperor's greatest weakness is his inability to empathize with other humans due to his powers. And it showed how he singlemindedly chasing his future.
He sees himself as an absolute leader of man and try to become what Nietsche sees as a superman which beyond good and evil. In the end, he was betrayed due to his flawed understanding of human nature and ended as a god albeit a flawed one which decides the flawed morality in which the Imperium currently follows. Leading mankind's path to nihilism and chaos (grimdark future).
This randomly popped out on my recommendation, then when i saw your intro i immediately remember who you are. I really missed the ArmA 3 zeus content back in the day, but this is also good.
Great video as always, start of the video was amazing like a movie
I would love to see some Dune lore videos, especially anything from the first two books.
Ty for dropping this today. As always, bless the Loremessiah.