Homestuck Sent Me A Legal Threat, And Then It Got Worse
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Why do I get the feeling that this is more about [REDACTED] accidentally burning Andrew Hussey's breakfast burrito and they've been salty about it ever since, like that one dude from Half-Life 2, than it is about covering up how they treated their employees?
btw you ignored the BARR in the fridge.
*you have committed a sin.*
Did they get your Twitter??
I really and truly appreciate that you're merchandising stupid legal threats, I can't think of anything better to do with this mess
As a non-Homestuck I'm glad to have an answer to the question "why is Homestuck so long?" - the answer being "Hussie is physically incapable of being brief"
thats an absolutely hilarious way to describe hussie
They have a thesaurus and they WILL use it goddamnit
As a homestuck fan, I can confirm this is absolutely accurate
Honestly? Iconic. He makes me feel so much better about not being able to shut the fuck up. 😂
I've read Problem Sleuth twice, and yeah, pretty much.
Imagine not crediting someone because they failed a vibe check.
Imagine not crediting somebody, because YOU THINK they didn't. Which is worse...
Nope. Can't get there. Gonna need some potent psilocybin or LSD in order to approach that level of absurdity.
I want credit
Andrew: Roll a vibe check
Nat 20
Andrew: eh... I don’t think it is
The way Hussie has managed to write multiple long emails but basically answer 0 of Sarahs questions is almost impressive
bruh could had a promising career as an AI Bot
Exactly like homestuck goddamn
i mean he wrote homestuck wich is basically "write long ass storylines, rise up questions, be asked said questions and not aknowledge any of them LMAO
Ahhhh, the art of bullshitting to avoid answering uncomfortable questions
you can really tell he's the author of the webcomic mentioned prior...
“I am sorry it took so long to get back to you. I needed the extra time to respond to your condescending and, in my opinion, defamatory email with the appropriate professional tone.”
Holy. SHIT. That is probably the most incredibly passive yet violently aggressive slam I have ever seen.
As a Brit who runs on tea and sarcasm, this brought a tear to my eye. It’s beautiful.
Good lawyers, when they get a properly righteous cause, do NOT play.
Get yourself a Dave
I read that in James Stephanie Sterling's voice...and SidAlpha's voice...
Honestly my favourite classy slam since "You may test that assumption at your convenience"
*WhatPumpkin* : "You take that back!"
*Sarah Z* : "Take what back?"
*WhatPumpkin* : "That's a secret"
this shoud become part of official Sarah Z's merch
What pumpkin more like what secret?
This sounds like a John mulaney sketch lol
"We actually don't know, because we didn't watch the video"
@@kiloloki I could literally hear it in his voice when I read your comment lol
"HOW DARE YOU SPREAD THIS MISINFORMATION!!!"
"what misinformation"
"look, trying to dispell this misinformation has been really hard on us, so we'd appreciate if you just work with us here"
Throughout these correspondences, I noticed (although Andrew uses "misinformation"), they usually liked to use the term "disinformation", which is worse than "misinformation" because it implies intent, not just a mistake.
“Ok, but which bits are misinformation?”
“Look, do you want the story or not?”
“YES.”
“…I feel like you’re being toxic”
So "toxic employees poisoning other employees oppinions" is code for "unionising", right?
Oh, definitely
Yeah, that's pretty much the only reason why a company would immediately shut down the entire office instead of firing the "toxic" employee.
I was suspecting as much at that part but complaining that they got together to discuss their all being simultaneously fired confirmed it for me. No need to demonise ex-employees for meeting up for drinks otherwise really.
Dude keeping that, that's hysterical
So they were trying to unionized and everyone got fired?
... so... is anyone else getting "we closed the office because they wanted to unionize" vibes from the story of the NYC office?
My mind doesn't go directly to trying to create an official and NLRB-recognized union, but it does definitely feel like there was a person who wanted to make some kind of demands of the management, who was able to convince many of the other employees to back them up (the group who was "poisoned").
yes, it really does.
Maybe not a “union” per say, but folks definitely wanted/deserved better for the hard work they did, and there seems to be, if I had to put it politely, an or many “rotten apples” either in management positions or positions that had sway in decisions made that was making it hard for lower level employees. 🤷♀️
I’ve seen it happen in the workplace; one or many bad managers come into the work space, and when underlings or second in commands raise complaints, they’re either moved to another area, driven to quit through the bad working conditions going unchanged, or being outright terminated.
okay okay ive thought about it and here's my two cents
from the fact that sarah seems to empathize with the situation WP was in with said former employee i doubt that WP's explanation of what happened had anything to do with unionizing. I'm 90% certain that if they gave any indication that the former employee was making demands about better working conditions sarah would have mentioned it in this video
same thing with the other people that contacted her. if she had heard form any former employees that they had been trying to advocate for themselves, collectively or individually, before getting shut down then she almost certainly would have noted that here.
all of this would indicate that this wasn't the case. Like, if they had shut down the branch bc of worker action we very likely would have seen some evidence left behind (in the form of testimonies mentioning that fact for instance). However, "a mismanaged, litigious, and shady company with very questionable work practices fires a whole department suddenly and screws them all over because a 'vindictive' ex employee has convinced all the others that the company is bad & trying to screw them over" is such textbook union busting that i cant fully dismiss the possibility that it happened here
sarah: hey can you confirm or deny (blank)
hussie: webster's dictionary defines confirmation as-
Lmao that like from Sarah says it all, doesn't it?
🙄 ughhhh right? Like God OKAY we get it Andy, you don't want to admit with words that part or all of this was totally true, or that you or What Pumpkin ever screwed up. Please just shut the fuck up and stop trying to impress people it's not working
Sarah: Hey can you-
Hussie: According to all known laws of aviation there's no way a bee should be able to fly
“It depends on what the definition of ‘confirmation’ is” - Andrew Clinton
“The only reason my employees think I fired them for no reason is because they don’t know why I fired them”
incredible
It's more like "The only reason my employees think I fired them for no reason, because I didn't tell them the reason why I fired them" xD
The cognitive dissonance is outstanding.
And for some reason they believe the outrageous lying lier who is trying to defame my company by saying that no one knows why they were fired! Absurd!
Everyone: So...you agree. You or rather the company you worked with, DID fire them without warning or telling them why and have still never given them a reason to this day.
Hussie:
...wellll AKshually, trAnspArENcY isn't a BlaCk anD WhItE IssUeeee
From what I understand of American labor law, it can often be the safest way to fire someone to not give any reason at all. This is because if you GIVE a reason, it might be that firing someone for that reason is illegal.
To then turn around and complain that the employee who doesn't know the reason does not know the reason is...uh...certainly an interesting move.
You can’t “but I’m a little guy. You’re really gonna be mad at me when I’m just a little guy?” your way out of this one, Hussie.
And it's their birthday!!!! Not on their birthday!!!
it's their birthday!! you wouldnt do that to a little birthday boy would you :((
but it's his birthday! he's a little birthday boy :(( /j
My mission is successful. I ended homestuck, gave people something to live for and brought hussies antics to the attention of God and he was punished. I'm glad I can rest easy now, knowing I can smoke weed without hussies presence in the back of my mind, knowing my stories were unfinished. Now that they are finished I can move on with my life to other better things.
@@sammicoporsammicopor wtf manlyburger?
Sarah Z: Please take these claims with a grain of salt and think for yourself on the matter.
What Pumpkin: And I took that personally.
What pumpkin: I hate thinking!
WP thought "with a grain of salt" meant "get salty about it". and they took that literally!
honestly hussie played this all wrong from the start - they should have offered to make emily and sarah's trollsonas canon within homestuck in exchange for deleting the video
LOSING MY GODDAMN MIND. THIS IS THE COMMENT.
See, that's the insane part, you're describing an act of like... Mild respect, in the most minor way. Instead: They just basically said 'LISTEN UP LITTLE GIRL' like a drunk 50 year old man trying to boss around a 35 year old woman.
@@vfxninja5503 😭
hussie would kill them off after one panel like what happened in the past lol
@@oight 10,000 well spent......
WP: Your video was actually the biggest misinformation spreader in Homestuck's history.
Sarah Z: Elaborate on that.
WP: No.
It's almost like they didn't have any kind of real answers besides yknow. What the employees said happened. And everything was true or something. But no, I'm sure there was another totaply legit explanation as to why they said that but never actually said anything specific to back it up 🤔
It's bullying via the legal system. If they have good lawyers, they know they don't have a case and it'll stop at emails.
Sarah Z: So, what part of my video was misinformation?
WP: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We didn't watch it. But I heard you were mean. 😢😢
I haven't seen the original video and, frankly, I'm not even interested in seeing it. I don't even know who the people or things in question here are. I guess this is about some webcomic, etc.
That said, either this is basically a criminal-level good-faith mismanagement of and incompetence on the issue, basically a master-class of how not to handle situations and not get caught up in conspiracy theories, especially in ones of your own making...
...or they are a bunch of assholes acting in bad faith, threatening and gaslighting, in which case should there be any kind of illegality on their part, they should be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law and deserve every bad thing coming their way.
Frankly, the most charitable *realistic* interpretation would seem to be that bad shit happened that wasn't their fault, there was serious mismanagement that more or less *was* their fault, and although nothing is actionable, they are unwilling to make the basic good-faith gestures to right some wrongs, because they're spineless morons.
For some reason, this reminds me of every case ever, where the people who didn't suffer tell the ones who did that there's no need to find out what happened or punish the guilty, because it's all in the past -- usually in very recent past. Guilty or not, this certainly makes them look guilty and I don't even know what it is they would be guilty of.
@@margaretgibbs6673 How dare you slander us with your totally true statements! Your statements have caused us to take irreperable damages and spend THOUSANDS of dollars as we spastically flail about with vague and misdirected allegations with no weight to them! Literally NOBODY had ever heard of Homestuck before someone with a platform THIS powerful and came along! And we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
Hussy seems like the kind of person who would represent themselves in court.
STOP THIS TOOK ME OUT --
I haven't been able to put words to what this guy sounds like, but its this. This is exactly it
Speaking as someone who worked in a courthouse for seven years....yes, yes, they do.
So you mean: a Murdaugh?
Andy in his bulletproof vest and floppy knit hat talking about how only he is allowed to do crimes if indeed he did do any (which he didn’t)
WP: Your video contains misinformation!
SZ: Ok, what in the video was incorrect?
WP: One of your sources is a known jerk who has lied in the past!
SZ: Ok, what did I say in the video that he lied about?
WP: Well, we haven't actually watched the video, we just know you sited a guy we don't like! So it must be wrong!
SZ: Ok, watch the video and tell me which parts are wrong so I can fix them.
WP: Well, I finally watched it, and let me just say, that when we did the things that guy accused us of, it's only because people were being jerks!
SZ: So you did do those things? Nothing in the video was wrong?
WP: Look, it's late and I'm tired! Let's just drop this whole thing!
SZ: But you messaged me!
"no more contact please we are sleeping"
"you're the one that contacted me-"
"I kno i no longer interested, please stop contacting me now or I'll contact attorney general..thsanks"
@@tsg_frank5829 thsnks* i am a big meme nerd please fix typo or i call attorney general
@@pur0. tknash
The fact that this is structured like a pesterlog...
No FR FR this is how this whole altercation transpired LMAO the SparkNotes version
"We understand your client is a stupid little baby" Is probably not the best way to open communications.
There is no way in heaven or hell that was ever written by a lawyer. I would bet that the lawyer handed them something reasonable, and someone decided to 'punch it up' a bit.
@@KatieCunningham I would be absolutely shocked if WP has a communications lawyer on retainer, especially since the intimidation letter was literally signed by the company's CFO. when this sort of thing is done right, it's usually "hello, I am a lawyer representing ______," not "Hello, I literally run _____, and if you don't do ______ I'll have to hire a lawyer"
@@m1k3y48 That may be why Lindsay doesn't believe T. Watson is a "lawyer."
As others have pointed out, it's a real winner move to open up potential libel proceedings by admitting that your opposition both behaved in good faith and couldn't even have not done so.
@@m1k3y48 Gal Pals!
People are informing me that this video may have killed Rumsfeld by means of psychic energy. I can confirm this to be true
Thank you for your service, Miss Z
Rumsfeld shut down the NYC studio
You were his final and fatal unknown unknown.
Another great addition to the homestick lore
Luv how i was informed about this thru this comment!!!
Alternating wildly between "Oh my god, I can't believe Hussie talks like that" and "Oh my god it makes so much sense that Hussie talks like that"
Dirk Strider kinnie if I ever saw one.
@@popcornastoriai mean, he did write the guy
@@popcornastoria this comment made me choke on my tea i am SCREAMING
@indigo1562 LMAOOOO thanks, it really is hilarious. someday i want to do a video essay on dirk strider as an author avatar character, dirk kinnieship in fandom, and the evolution of dirk's character, tho ofc w respect to the fact that what we know abt andrew is only what they've shared about themself. i... promise my idea for a video essay is just as funny as it is nerdy af! 🤣
@@popcornastoria i may be misremembering but hussie mightve admitted on his old tumblr blog that the striders were more or less his mouthpieces
"If you had approached anyone at What Pumpkin to get the right information, then maybe your reporting would be accurate!"
IF WHAT PUMPKIN COMMUNICATED EFFECTIVELY ENOUGH, THE REPORTING WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN NECESSARY.
That's what I was thinking this WHOLE time lol
My favorite part is when WP said that they understand Sarah is young and inexperienced, and therefore prone to mistakes but they know she wasn't acting with malicious intent. That undermines their ENTIRE libel case. In order to convict someone of libel, you have to prove that they intentionally wrote false statements with the purpose of damaging you.
Underrated comment because fuck I didn't even think of that!
As a law student, this checks out. The people at WP are mad stupid lmao
“We know you didn’t intend to ruin our reputation, but we’re suing you for trying to ruin our reputation unless you take it back”
HAH
You're talking about actual malice, which relates to public figures.
Defamation, including libel, does not ordinarily require proof of actual malice.
“I needed the extra time to respond to your condescending, and in my opinion, defamatory email with the appropriate professional tone” GOD DAMN DAVE HOLY SHIT
Dave was hilarious and I hope he gets occasional free coffees. Especially the "TH-cam is a platform accessible to all" mic drop at the end.
An absolute savage.
We all need to get ourselves a Dave
@@AlletaLady You said it, but really before reading your comment I got myself thinking that if I ran into Dave, I would so buy a coffee for him! And for Sarah and Emily as well of course.
I CACKLED!!!!
RIGHT?! This man personifies self-restraint!!
The way he talks to you is so reminiscent of an abusive boyfriend the energy is unreal for someone who doesn't even know you
He’s definitely the sort to maliciously drive his partner to the point of tears and then call them unreasonable and emotional and crazy
and he still didn't watched the vide XD
OMG literally THIS. I wasnt able to put my finger on specifically why their writing felt off before, but that is the exact energy I got holy crabs
Gaslighting in its prime
righttt like the classic "everyone who says bad things about me is Poisoned and Toxic you can only trust me or they will poison you too"
hussie giving big "all my exs are crazy" energy
"all my exes got together and brainwashed each other into thinking I'm the bad guy or something" 🤷♂
Congrats to Emily for being Assigned Female By Homestuck
This killed me
Afah: assigned female at homestuck
This is GOLD
Wait if they can declare a trans person as cis could they do the reverse? I don’t want to take hormones I hope they never notice me
@@ProjectEchoshadow oh god it’s the jk rowling effect
I'm pretty sure there's a rule in journalism roughly paraphrased as "If your investigation leads to harassment and legal threats, you're usually onto something."
Doing something very right or very wrong
the day ms zed is wanted by the cia is the day we pool our resources together to get her outta the country bc she'll be RIGHT
@@MystiqMiu the highest honour a journalist can have is assassination attempts
@@wyn9693 or to locked up with the key thrown away like Julian assange
but that's stupid. I'm pretty sure there are people out there who could be rightfully outraged by slander
The way Andrew says "poisoned" over and over to describe any former employees with a negative experience gives me such a gross feeling.
Just reading the words of this creature make me shiver
Welcome to how some avoid any legit criticism after a team member has departed. By painting them as a malicious source.
its something i would say when i was an edgy 7th grader, im baffled why he thinks that's just normal to say now.
I have to say yeah, the repetition of such an intense word as "poisoned" through out all of these emails was a major red flag. To me that's just such an intense descriptor, a word that could mean someone will die, and to see it be thrown around here after every instance of an employee minorly and validly critiquing their employer? It makes me think of cult leaders and villains... Characters, not actual humans. Eww.
Yeah same lol. Reminds me of exactly how a shitty boss acts like
"transparency isn't a black and white concept" gets me everytime
“transparency isnt a black and white concept, mr bond.”
"transparency isn't a black and white concept" yeah because it's clear lol
RIGHT fndkdks like cmon just say you don't ever intend to actually give any straight answers unless forced to at gunpoint or something and go (because you likely don't have any answers that wouldn't confirm every bad thing people have ever said about you or the company lmao)
"Transparency isn't a black and white concept" Yes, it is transparent
wp: i can't believe you would promote all these lies
sarah: what lies?
wp: wouldn't you like to know weatherboy
This one. This my favourite 🤣
omg a fellow maia with an i!
This is like the TLDR of the entire video.
"wp's sketchy...back to you guys."
Haha
Andrew: I'm contacting you personally to tell you the real story.
Sarah: Okay, what's the real story ?
Andrew: ✅ Seen 11:29 AM
Got to give him credit though, the guy who wrote an 800,000 word web comic knows how to filibuster.
Imagine if Jenny Nicholson's My Little Pony video had resulted in Jenny getting into a series of emails with Lauren Faust that made Jenny lose any respect she ever had for Lauren. This is one of the most surreal things I've ever seen, and I'd somehow never even heard of Homestuck until I stumbled onto these two videos.
Oh, I’m so sorry you were part of that day’s unlucky 10,000…
(Referencing the popular statistic that 10,000 people on average learn about any given thing for the first time on any given day.)
I haven't personally read HS but this whole mess is actually an extremely accurate representation of HS in general
I haven't heard of Homosuck in like a decade so these videos were fun to stumble across.
@@msf2399 Oh I do love xkcd
Neither had I. Granted I'm 19 but apparently I was also already very much online in the early 2010s (as the existence of this very TH-cam account proves). I think it must have been what I've decided to term as my "tech coma" for various reasons that I won't get into now.
All the "former employee clearly has a grudge and is spreading vicious lies about the company" stuff is really giving me "wow ALL your ex-girlfriends are crazy, huh?" energy
This this this this this. Hussie has a comical lack of self awareness at best, and at worst...
They were all poisoned!!!1!! by someone else! Just ask ME.
At this point, I’d be willing to bet that Name Redacted did nothing wrong at all.
dqaupop I read this and all my brain could hear was Sarah Z saying "Vriska did nothing wrong" from the first video lmao
Me, having just watched Matt McMuscles' "Whu Happun" video on Lords of Shadow 2: Hmm, wow that's so interesting.
"We were in over our heads and poorly managed this project, and anyone who correctly identified this situation was attacked without mercy so that we came off as cruel instead of incompetent."
This is it.
Nearly two years later and WP/hussie still haven't delivered the game or owned up to their actions.
And they never will.
They couldn't deliver an answer to any of Sarah Z 's questions, How the hell are they supposed to deliver a game?
Thanks for the update, I was wondering
There's a reason I now exclusively refer to him as "Andrew Cuntie," and not just because I'm with the Australians on calling the idea that "cunt" is a hideously vile word is sexist as all hell.
yeah lmao
"we understand that Ms. Z is very young, and her irresponsible, unethical journalism is the result of ignorance" the seething rage felt through a screenshot on a video is scalding, i can't imagine having to read that email myself. fuckallthat
edit: i’m rewatching these homestuck videos cause my partner has been getting into homestuck and i just love the email at 19:05. big GET EM energy
edit 2: this whole thing boils down as
Sarah and Emily doing days or weeks of research to make a video accurately and reliably explaining the history of Homestuck and Homestuck affiliated media such as Hiveswap, Homestuck 2: Beyond Canon, Friendsim, Pesterquest, etc. In said video, anything not explicitly verified with tangible proof is beforehand recommended to be taken with a grain of salt, as in, think critically about such information and don’t take it as 100% irrefutable fact.
Andrew Hussie and What Pumpkin in response don’t even watch the video, but jump to threaten legal action and lie about having to deal with (nonexistent) extreme and irreparable damages to their brand because of the video they didn’t even watch; when Sarah asks what misinformation needs correcting, never clarify what this misinformation supposedly is, because again, they didn’t even watch the video.
I just have to laugh. How are you gonna sit there as a company and be like “We know you did tons of research to explain this topic, but you didn’t do the kind of research we specifically would have liked, and even though we didn’t watch your video, we don’t like what you said in it.”
irresponsible, unethical and ignorance, .... why does this smell like projecting?
Its hilarious how that email talked about Sarah as if she was twelve years old and not a grown ass adult
@@moviesquad73 "This 5 year old who has hundreds of thousands of followers clearly has no idea about anything"
sAME YEAH IT'S SO BELITELLING
it also takes away any legal claim of defamation which is hilarious.
Andrew Hussie writes emails like a person who would write a long, meandering, and convoluted web comic.
Lmfaoo this is the one
Oof
Funny you should say that....
yeah no wonder undertale stole the throne out from under them at least toby foxxes sentences dont run longer then a marathon and know how to tell a coherent story
😂👏👌
reading hussies emails is like “there’s definitely a lot of words here, they have no substance, but there sure are a lot of them”
It's just Kankri, don't mind him
basically homestuck summed up
In our local debating sphere, we called that psychobabble
feels just like i'm reading the court documents from the Romine Bros
Except there is some substance.. which comes down to "what happened is actually worse than you thought, but don't tell anyone"
Coming back to this video 2 years later, and nothing has changed!
Act 3 still isn't out. We've gotten yearly art asset updates twice in a row from an online fan convention.
Homestuck 2 is still MIA.
We finally learned what Homestuck 2.0 is because of a James Roach livestream from the previously mentioned convention.
A Tumblr post from someone who worked at WP (Unsure if they still do) "revealed" that WP is out of cash. Hardly much of a reveal.
Hussie and WP have gone back to radio silence. They've confirmed a majority of Gio's second article while still labeling him as a stalker. Gio is one of the people actively preserving Homestuck through the Unofficial Collection. WP's business now almost relies on his work, as the official sources are either deleted or in an awful way.
These legal threats and email exchanges are almost entirely the last bit of PR the company has done. Clearly, all is well.
See you all in 50 years for Act 4's release.
Edit: Homestuck 2 has returned, though it is no longer Homestuck 2 and just Homestuck: Beyond Canon. OG HS2 is canned for good. New team lead by James Roach.
50 feels a bit unreasonable don't you think? Lets not rush them now, I'm expecting at minimium a few thousand years.
i think homestuck should just be released into the public domain at this point 😕
@@elise2399Please, it'd be so funny. We'd have books with writing quirks, and trollsonas
And I thought Elder Scrolls 6 has been taking forever 😅
I’d like to hear your take on the recent update, name change, staff switch up, etc.!
I love when companies write stuff without running it past an attorney first.
"I told them - in a letter I signed and sent from my email - that we weren't seeking financial compensation and that I understood that they were young, ignorant and weren't trying to intentionally hurt us".
"You did what now?"
“I told them also that we already had a response ready for our backers and it was not a big deal.”
“You mean to say that you just invalided the case we tried to set up?”
Plot twist: Everyone Sarah interacted with in this video is actually just another sock puppet account for famed My Immortal author Toby
Hush Toby! You aren't supposed to tell on the other toby alts yet. 🤣
I cackled
That ' s not true, some of us are just normal commenters ;)
fuckin toby at it again
@@marvelousTUD Sounds like something toby would say
“Transparency isn’t a black and white concept.” No, you’re right, Hussie. It’s clear or opaque.
I CACKLED
Sometimes it's translucent though
Transparency is a prospitian and dersite concept
this is translucence erasure /j
@@corncake4677 bro what
Sarah throughout half of this video:
“This is a surprise tool that’ll help us later”
LOVE THIS 🤣🤣🤣
Does anyone else feel grossed out at how Andrew calls people "poisoned" like they're lesser people or totally bad without nuance?
it has the same energy as people who say "omg all my exes were sooo crazy"
“Poisoned” = “I wasn’t able to gaslight and Manipulate these people into thinking I’m just a sweet little guy and it was their fault actually” nice Andy
He strikes me as the abusive boyfriend that uses manipulation tactics to get you completely under his thumb.
That or the pickup artist that tries to neg you to get you to sleep with him
That and “toxic”
"We didn't credit her because she was saying bad things about the company."
"You realize that makes you a bad company, right?"
*Surprised Pikachu*
The comment immediately below yours has the surprised Pikachu as their userpic, istfg. That was weird.
"No it doesn't and you're a malicious liar!" XD
It's not as bad as you think it is! I mean, it's worse, but like, it's not what you think it is. It's just exactly what you think, but worse.
Disney is also a bad company at times, they want a sparkly child friendly image but we all know that they just want your money and other stuff I cant talk about.
@@MoonRaven21 What? They just want our money?? *Surprised Pikachu*
You just described every major company in existence.
The words "we understand that Ms. Z is very young" almost made me RAGE.
Mark my words, they would NEVER have said that shit about a man
@@beanboy5963 I would agree with you in other areas but calling someone young to suggest they are naïve is pretty universal.
@@JohnDoe-gy5dr Nah, that’s some shit that’s said to women far more often
@@HellNaw98
That seems more like personal life experiences (which is valid) than actual data
Yeah that email felt sexist af
It's weird that "disgruntled former employee" is used so often as a discrediting description when the literal meaning is "this is a person that I once had power and authority over and they now hate me." In isolation that information in itself reflects badly on the former employer for anyone who isn't reflexively authoritarian.
Imagine owning an incredibly successful IP and acting like ONE barely negative TH-cam video is gonna utterly destroy any work they could possibly do, whole company's gonna collapse, millions of dollars lost. Wild.
Okay first of all Homestuck is not "an incredibly successful IP" it is a long dead relic of early 2010s internet with it's decaying corpse being reanimated by Tumblr.
Second the whole company of whatpumpkin and it's other affiliated studios have completely collapsed years ago with everyone getting fired
Thirdly the millions (specifically almost 3 millions) he collected from a 2012 Kickstarter to make a game called Hiveswap (which btw isn't even close to finishing devolvement after more than 11 years of waiting) have been completely wasted by the man's own admission.
I really feel bad for anyone who has ever worked with that idiot.
Ironically their extreme reaction seems to have done substantially more harm to the IP than the original video lol
To be fair, it stopped being successful a long time ago.
pissing myself about how sarah, who is “very young”, is the only one acting like a professional adult in this exchange
Then they squeezed in "ignorant" like 🤦♀️
Dave's response was pretty great, but yeah
I'm only a few minutes in and I already want to see the rest based on this comment alone. And also because of the intro to the video. And also because, Sarah Z.
@@danielleverdant1100 "Ignorant" is such an odd insult to use when the information that would alleviate said ignorance has been intentionally kept under wraps by the person talking.
I stan Dave too but yeah
seeing sarah drive was so weird i forgot she's an actual person and not an ancient scribe sitting in a chair like the three eyed raven
that was a body double, the real sarah z has never left the couch! don’t spread misinformation!! /j
the theory that the wine glass is actually Sarah and that the glass is possessing this random woman to make videos has been debunked. i cannot believe this
Same
@@Alice-burrice that was Sarah A
She's secretly Odin (like most people)
If this was an episode of Scoobie Doo, Hussie would be the guy who warns the kids that the old Collins place is haunted while trying to hide the ghost costume in the back seat of his car.
“Argh, and I’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for my meddling mouth!”
Now I want to see a Scooby-Doo-esque show starring Sarah and Emily
“Why do we bash shitty studios for not giving credit to their employees but we never question if the employees had bad vibes? Or are just unpleasant to be around?”
- Andrew Hussie
Knowing Sarah was a homestuck fan as a younger teen and knowing from personal experience that that group used to Idolize hussie back in the day as some sort of god of comedic and dramatic writing, I can’t imagine how it must have felt to receive these patronizing, condescending, roundabout emails from someone you used to love as a creator and realize “oh, they suck actually”.
Never meet your heros.
YES.
@@CookedPages You can't count on _anyone, especially_ your heroes.
It hurts to watch these videos, I can’t imagine how it feels to create them
@@CookedPages Only get a picture. You can't be disappointed by a picture.
Real Vriska move to do this
bad business practices coming to light? iRRRRRRRRECONCILA8LE
Daaaamn straight.
That means I did nothing wrong
@@SarahZ best roast, and controversial to some
Hey, @hbomberguy, how long until you get sued by Moffat for the Sherlock video?
As I mean... if what What Pumpkin says is totes how it goes... you've clearly got a lot of stuff from Moffat coming your way
It's wild to see Hussie constantly complain about not being reached out to about the video before publication to dispel rumors and lies, but when Sarah Z actually reaches out to him, he refuses to clarify literally anything or even point out what his actual grievance is.
Also geo did reach out and was labelled a stalker for it
Can I just point out how insane mixing cotton candy Faygo and Limoncello is? Like, does that actually taste?
Thank you for asking! :) It was bad!
@@SarahZ Phew, I thought you were a psychopath with that mix. XD
Is it bad that that drink looks really yummy? And is it bad that I want to try it out when I'm of legal drinking age?
@@thetruebloodchannel6194 Well you'll never regret the mistakes you don't make, so I'd say go for it when you're able to! I'd recommend against it but I also don't like alcohol so you can just use the excuse that I'm probably not a great source.
@@thetruebloodchannel6194no, that's not bad at all. Once you become 18 and can legally drink, I recommend trying at least one new drink every time you go drinking. It helps expand your palate and makes it easier for you to find out what you like, which ingredients match well together, and which don't.
Hussey: "We are TOTALLY transparent, ask us anything!"
Also Hussey: "Transparency is such a relative concept, honestly."
and also Hussey: "can you even handle full transparency, Sarah? Many have tried, many have perished"
@@flaetsbnort 😂🤣😂🤣 She is just a naïve little pretend journalist, so definitely probably too delicate for the real facts!! But if only she'd ask, he's prepared to give them!
Hussie was transparent, completely. Then he gave Homestuck away.
Sounds like suchhhh a wanker. Like the kind of guy you meet in a club and he pretends to be sooo deep and acts like he’s above everyone else there and after a while you realise he’s not deep or intelligent at all he’s just condescending and scummy and when you realise this he turns into a r/niceguy and spams you with novel length nasty messages about what you’re missing out on and how stupid you are. Or he cheats on you and then tries to explain it away in some fake-philosophical bs that makes your head hurt so much that you can’t even remember what tf you’re actually confronting him about.
Anyway that’s the vibez I get.
@@milkglassfairy7641 Agree 100%!! Literally so wordy and for WHAT??
Getting big “Lindsey Ellis getting legal threats from the wolf porn lady” vibes
this is the sequel
not to mention that Maggie Mae Fish is yet again voicing the lawyer
Sarah Z is fulfilling her dream of ascending to Lindsay Ellis status. Just wait until she's cancelled on Twitter.
I was thinking that !!
weirdos are really going after breadtube these days huh
I didn't know how funny it would be to hear Big Joel say "I'm the creator of Homestuck"
I love the part where he insists you stop "hopping around the timeline asking questions in a way that's disconnected from understanding the totality" lol dude's never gonna stop writing HS
yeah when i saw that i immediately thought of his horrid timeline in hs too
motherfucker made the entire canon of Homestuck into this sentence, on loop
really the homestuck vibes
Dude thinks they're characters in their own comic rather than IRL, wtf.
I understood that as “stop asking questions about not-Gio while I’m ranting about my disdain for Gio.”
"Your honor, we're suing her because she said bad things about us."
"She personally did?"
"Well technically, she reported that other people said bad stuff about us but that's the same thing."
"Was any of what she reported false?"
"Yeah!"
"Okay, which parts were false and what evidence do you have that it was?"
"Like... stuff. And because we say it was."
"Your honor, I still haven't actually reviewed the defendant's defamatory statements myself..."
“Your honor, we still may or may not have actually watched the video in which we presume she reported things that portray us in a bad light. Therefore, we would like to make a motion to stick our foot in our mouth and chew vigorously until the end of time.”
"Again, which parts were false?"
"Uhhh... POISON. POISONOUS PERSON. POISON."
And FWIW, even the first step by itself is enough to defeat a defamation claim.
You can't be sued for saying true things, including "other person X said bad things about What Pumpkin that I have no method of confirming or denying". That's undeniably true, irrespective of what actually other person X said and whether those things themselves are true.
I mean, those hussie-grams sounded like so much "you can't handle the truth" that it's WAY, WAY into self-parody here. Dave Strider would be either golf clapping or, what was the phrase, doing some sort of acrobatic f***ing PIROUETTE off the handle and winning like a medal or some shit.
Andrew: ask me what happened
Sarah: Okay, what happened?
Andrew: how dare you
gaslight gatekeep girlboss i guess
@@manillargo What?
@@paulunga it’s a saying
@@manillargo I know. I just don't get how it fits here. But it's fine.
@@poniko6034 yeah the minute someone who's claiming so confidently that someone DEFINITELY has said all lies and slander or done a terrible job ADMITS they never even watched any part of said video or read any part of whatever work, even through someone else? That is the point where one officially needs to Stop Talking Now because you ain't getting your credibility back for NOTHING and whatever you say next on the topic might as well be hot air.
I've gotta say, the more I read of Andrews emails, the more I get Extremely bad vibes from them, the way they talk will be recognisable to anyone who has had any kind of personal or professional relationship with someone who's highly manipulative.
There's this sort of soft underlying patronising tone to them, trying to make you feel like they know more and they don't really have any strong feelings about any of this they're just trying to help you understand why you're bad and wrong, out of the goodness of their heart, it's gross. It reads reeeeal gross.
Just how the dude is. He is not the best person in the world. Just because their piece of art is good doesn’t mean the creator necessarily good.
@@King_Minos64 from what i have seen the piece of work is also highly flawed
How do you think he managed to get 6 million people to cosplay as grey alien teenagers with speech impediments?
Say what you want about his writing, but in my opinion the guy's *real* talent is audience manipulation.
@@nitebreak Nor have I read it, but there has to be something there to build and maintain a massive audience. If something is entertaining, then that thing is good. If tons of people take valuable time out of their day for it, then it must be entertaining.
One of my favorite things about listening to Big Joel talk is that has a way of sounding simultaneously evenly calm and completely unhinged. He was the perfect and obvious choice for this role.
Every TH-camr needs to find their specific niche. Sarah's niche is terrible, badly researched videos that are full of malicious - dare I say libellous - lies, that are actively harming small creators in fandoms that she isn't even part of and never has been.
I know this, based on the numerous videos by her that I haven't watched.
had me in the first half, not gonna lie
@@3possumsinatrenchcoat yeah, this got me real good
LMFAO
Oh that's precious. You're getting fussy. Baby need nap?
Edit, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to my dog.
@@godforreal7355 Read to the last line, it's only a well crafted joke!
Sending hollow legal threats to TH-camrs: always a smart move
Lindsay I love you and I'm glad you're around 💜
This sure does sound familiar Lindsay 🤔
I'd have called it an Alpha move if I was you, but I'm a bit of a smart ass 😎👍
If I had a dime for whenever a youtuber got a legal threat from an out-of-touch lawyer, I would have 2 dime. While it's not much, it weird that it happened twice..
The legend, the menace, the Ellis, Lindsay herself!
God reading Gio’s update on all of this and seeing screenshots of one homestuck writer literally calling for their fans to “go get this bitch. STALKER” and “ can you guys please go rip him apart?” about gio is so scary
What
what
Really makes their reasoning for canning HS2 because they said was because of harassment look even more sketchy. Like they knew what they were doing. They just wanted an easy out and scapegoat out of it once all the goodwill it had was gone and it hemorrhaged readers/Patreons.
Holy crap, so that Homestuck writer was literally projecting onto Gio what they were doing themselves. Shameless.
See, the funny thing about this idea that the first video "did irreparable harm" to the Homestuck/What Pumpkin brand is that at least in my case, it's the exact opposite. I had only vaguely heard of Homestuck before, and while browsing this channel's catalogue, I saw the two Homestuck videos and thought that I'd watch them to find out what on Earth it was. The first video made me curious enough that I probably would have wanted to check it out, had I not known that the second video was about legal threats. This second video killed any interest I had in it, since it's clear that the creator is immature and vindictive, and like every power-tripping, abusive boss I've ever had.
Ikr like I had basically only heard the word Homestuck and nothing about it, and so when I watched the video I was like huh. Cool, an interesting fandom. It’s nice that people found a community in the comic. And then I got to here and was like…ah. I see that any interest I had in looking into it is gone
homestuck is good tho
@@higztv1166 Eh, is it though? IMO it very much has the feel of a very rough first draft (which by all accounts, it is)
@@toptextbottomtext6104 but it has so many amazing moments and ideas and characters and world-building
Not all of homestuck is good, it has a lot of shitty parts too, but when it's good it's reeeeaaally good
A year later. Basically same.
I remember finding Hussie's overly verbose writing style in Homestuck kind of amusing and charming, like someone being humorously pretentious. I didn't think he *actually* wrote like that. It's like he's permanently in HS narrator mode, which is kind of terrifying.
Same. I used to look up to it, I'd write my damn English essays from middle school in the style, pff. Homestuck made me a verbose kid and later I realize that it was pretty insufferable and unnecessary to adopt even in academic contexts.
Now I just laugh at it, reading the exchanges in this video is a really odd, half-nostalgia, half-cringe packed retrospective on a big part of my life at the time.
I think his writing style would be more charming if he did...exist outside of it? Haha
Haha! Wow what a cool writing style! It must take a lot of effort to write like this!
Wait what do you mean this is how the person writes normally
Don't know much about Homestuck myself, but it seems like this guy is stuck *in* Homestuck, and all the fame and glory it brought him. Maybe that's why he's still rolling with how he types.
Put like that, it reminds me of Sherlock where what seemed to be clever writing actually wasn't.
EDIT: Actually, what this REALLY reminds me of is things like Sonichu and Empress Theresa. You know, terrible works made by people who actually do write like that in real life and take criticism about as well as a slug can handle salt.
@@boxorak what about sherlock now? Where? I wanna understand, and agree, pretty please expand?
"We understand that Ms Z is very young and..." OHHHH FUCK THAT
30-45 year olds b like...
And the bit where they said that her journalism was "unethical" like girl HUH
Always remember, kids: if you are younger than us, you are dumber than us!
-What Pumpkin Entretainment, _et al._
I'm 32 and call myself old all the time and this bit enraged me anyway lol
A MERE CHILD OF 30
“I don’t care much about policies of secrecy” proceeds to try to make Sarah swear to secrecy and put positive spin on her reporting for the length of a college thesis
"The damage is already massive and irreparable" Uh, it feels like Cindy doesn't really know what "irreparable" means.
It means Big and Scary enough to frighten the Immature Little TH-camr into Taking Down The Evil Video, of course
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"
Hussie: *makes Homestuck*
also Hussie: I didn't watch your video as it's a bit long, don't you think?
you had to be there
@@deltabrassica6650 idk man. I couldn’t stop watching this video
The audacity of a creator of HOMESTUCK to complain that a 2 hour video is too long to watch...
Probably explains why he didn't have the patience for anything else.
**sips tea**
I mean, it was 26 Sargons long
sarah: asks a question
andrew: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
I love this particular joke bc we know from experience (Palpatine) that not knowing when to let something go is one of the best ways to ruin everything it touches
Lmaoooo 🤣
Is it possible to learn this power?
Not from a Webcomic
LMAOOOO >o
ironic
so wild how quickly andrew in these emails is oscillating between "i don't have any intention of being inflammatory UwU" and "that really inflammatory and threatening 'legal' letter we sent to u was completely okay and justified, actually" god what a piece of work
the voice over ain't help much with the cringe
“Did you not justly credit people?”
“No! We’d never do that! All we did was decide not to put someone’s name in the credits because of their statements when in other contexts we would.”
"You got this wrong."
"Okay, what did I get wrong."
"I haven't actually watched the video but you were wrong."
"Okay, about what though."
"I watched the video anyway here's Wonderwall."
It's weird how much Hussey sounds like one of the trolls he created.
@@casperchristiansen2458 Maybe not that weird, he was just drawing on himself for inspiration.🤔
DAMN get yourself a Dave, that man didn’t hold BACK
This is such a funny comment if you just imagine it as Dave from Homestuck going back to Hussie like "Yeah, no. You're not suing shit."
Dave is my hero and if I imagine him as Dave strider it works.
@@DravenUrei I fucking love this image
Is it bad that I really wanted Dave to escalate it and just be like "okay if you think you have such a good case sue us, go ahead try it"
@@goingghost8297 Todd in the Shadows is now my headcanon Dave Strider voice.
this all just reads to me as someone's passion project getting really, _really_ out of hand and finding themselves in a possition of responsability over a whole lot of people without having the slightest idea of how to treat employees properly
This happens all the time when small businesses get big. Just because someone is able to run a little homegrown business and make money off it does not mean they're qualified to manage an expanding corporate entity with an obligation to produce, legal responsibilities, and hundreds of employees. Hussie seems like somebody that got big off a passion project, thought he could handle being a big shot, and now the weight of every bad decision he's ever made in that role is pressing down on him. His emails to Sarah come across to me like the desperate ramblings of somebody who's trying to talk their way out of a bad situation without seeming like that's what they're doing, hence the rambling non-answers and general air of affected arrogance. He knows he screwed up, the only question is how much will it cost him?
Hussie, a guy that was drawing and writing webcomics for mostly his own amusement and that of a small audience on the internet, most of them being extremely niche and appealing only to people with his kind of humor or cultural background, happens to start a webcomic that by premise and circumstance explodes in popularity to absurd degrees, becoming a cultural movement online and attracting a mass of young kids that obsessively dedicate themselves to the project.
Yeah, it clearly went beyond it's original scope and it was too much to handle for him and as the years went by he started caring less and less about his own creation and leaving it up to the fans to pick up the scraps, i mean most of the good parts weren't really his anyway (art, sprites, music, animation) so the fact that by the end of it he just gave complete authority to fans in an attempt to rid himself of responsibility and then failed?
yeah.
Funny how people always considered him as this mastermind gigabrain that always knew what it was doing, when clearly he wasn't at all.
To me it reads like the guy got blinded by the dollar signs in his eyes and decided to fleece his fans for every penny he could get out of them while providing next to nothing in return. It's just greed, plain and simple.
@tsg_frank5829 I do remember he went to great lengths to say that Homestuck was a warmup for something bigger he wanted to do, and he basically kept the comic dragging because he kept trying to tie in fandom memes into the lore.
If he wasn't such a jerk I'd feel really bad that the thing he clearly wanted to be more known for (Psycholonials) is just some weirdass VN dumped on Steam and what he will be remembered for will be a webcomic that had a massive following and then basically went off the rails.
They can’t tell you what is false, because none of it was false. They can’t admit that because they could land themselves into a lawsuit themselves over their response.
as someone who never got into Homestuck, I now understand why it's so lengthy - Andrew takes twenty words to say one.
You have no idea how true what you said is. When i saw that Andrew wrote to her i was immediately like "oh no" because its a person who could write WALLS of text over and over again in back to back updates
Saying a lot to say absolutely nothing…like just listening to it was head spinning
It can be fun to read in a comedic setting but not like this...
You can skip entire paragraphs in HS and still understand it. People saw this as a good thing back in the day.
Andrew Hussie won't rest until your fond memories of Homestuck stop breathing.
Omg Hussie wants to kill homestuck...the creature he birthed...
weirdly enough, that can perfectly fit into the new homestuck continuity
It's not surprising. He had so many burnouts over this franchise. But the way he's disrespecting his fans is disgusting.
He wants to do a Karen Rowling
I cannot BELIEVE how hard he's trying to absolutely demolish what he has. It's incredible, really.
Some of Hussie's e-mails read sooo much like how my abuser used to speak to me, especially during arguments; seems so passive aggressive and condescending lmao
Sorry that you were abused, I really hope you’re doing better now and are free of them
@@placeholderdoe I'm away from them now and I'm definitely getting better and healing from the damage they caused. :') Thank you so much for this reply it's really sweet and means a lot to me
@@clownvictim that’s sick! Have a great day!
"SARAH Z YOU ARE HEREBY LEGALLY REQUIRED BY THE COURT OF ME TO BE NICE TO MEEEEEEEEEEE (specifically by lying, concealing and obfuscating)"
The fact that Hussie can't get to the point makes sense considering they wrote Homestuck
This comment deserves all the thumbs up, I choked
The more Hussie talked, the more believable the apparently untrustworthy Gio post became.
And boy did Hussie talk a lot.
Partway through the Hussie section, I was thinking "So THIS is why lawyers tell you to speak as little as possible."
When I heard “eighteen thousand words.” I knew this was going to be a ride. My first ever novella was 25 thousand words, barely more than Hussies drawn out messages.
and honestly, i don't even think he was really reading the Email's Sarah was sending.
Andrew, fucking, Hussie.
What I find impressive is the level of narcissism it must take for Hussie to have been totally unaware of what an unprofessional, paranoid, vindictive, petty, duplicitous, manipulative and condescending tyrant they made themselves out to be when corresponding with Sarah. To think that was legitimately their best attempt at portraying their company in the most positive possible light is genuinely entertaining to me.
I love how Sarah Z reacted with the poise and emotional restraint needed to draw information out of a frustrating person like Andrew Hussie.
I wonder how all those Kickstarter contributors will feel when they learn the true nature of who they gave their money to.
You know... watching your Homestuck video was the most positive homestuck-related thing I've ever done. It gave me an appreciation for the series that no one had before, and humanized Hussie and his work.
Too bad these legal threats made me throw all of that out the window LMAO
I agree.
I'll confess that I saw Gio's blog posts on the Hiveswap fiasco _first,_ years long before I actually sat down this evening and finally watch these two videos, so right from the word "go," my perception of Andrew Hussie was already irreversibly tainted (with that said, I could easily infer some of what Sarah was talking about, helped by my prior experience with reading Homestuck extensively back in 2016.)
(My opinions on What Pumpkin got a tad worse after I re-read those blog posts as they were updated over the years.)
Just after finishing the first video (not realizing it had a follow-up until a few minutes after the fact,) I didn't think much about how my negative opinions of Hussie and WP would change.
_Well..._ I didn't think 'twould change much _until_ I watched said follow-up, this video.
'Thas been an honest-to-god long time since I winced in agony, and this time 'tis over Cindy's, ''er, "threat," and Andrew Hussie's ludicrous and mental-gymnastics-ing _chain_ _of_ _emails,_ on top of the passive-malicious wording, constant usage of that "poison" euphemism, tap-dancing around the _main_ subjects they were supposed to respond to, and... don't get me started on the treatment of employees and the crediting crap.
'Twill be fucking tougher for me to come back to the web-comic I once loved so much after... all of that.
Jesus, no wonder Homestuck was so long and convoluted, Andrew Hussy is PROLIFIC in these emails
Brevity is the soul of wit.
hussie said “gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss” and “manifest, mansplain, manipulate”
thembo behaviour
@@willtowers1532 nah, thembos are actually pretty chill from what I've seen
manipulate, mansplain, malewife
how did u mix up manifest and malewife smh (/j)
Drink!
I don't care about Homestuck at all, but these emails are some of the most freaking condescending and patronizing things I've ever heard and I can't help but laugh.
Same. I have no clue how I ended up here but holy fuck was I angry by the end of some of those emails.
It's on a level you see on sitcoms. We just assume those characters are heightened.
Imagine being so awful you would fit right in on a cartoon? That's like my idea of hell.
same, I was really glad Sarah did the original history of homestuck video bc I never got into it back in my teenage years- now I’m kinda glad I didn’t, I can’t imagine what fans are going through seeing all this go down and knowing they were basically scammed 2M dollars
They have the same vibe as if they were talking to their employee and not someone independent and not accountable to them and that's wack to me.
*THEY SENT LEGAL THREATS WITHOUT WATCHING THE THING THEY WERE SENDING THREATS OVER.*
Jesus. Tapdancing. Christ. I'd heard of Hussie and their comic years ago, and from all accounts of the things they did and posted, I thought for sure someone would cotton on to the fact that they weren't a good person...or at the very least, scamming their fans and laughing about it while the fans couldn't read between the lines. But to see Hussie revealed as a cartoon villain is...surreal, to put it mildly.
hussie said he hadn't seen it. the ceo of wp sent the threats. different people
He didn’t watch because he wanted to “stay unbiased” like the video was a piece of superfluous information rather than the entire topic of the discussion
This reminds me of the massive backlash around that one video on Doctor Who. If you know, you know. And if you don't you're better off that way.
I'll take "bullshit that'll get you laughed out of court" for 500, please.
@@noizepusher7594 the final boss of centrism
Threatening to weaponize your fandom against a someone who just reported publicly available information is despicable.
Andrew Hussy is literally like a cartoon villain accidentally explaining his entire plan to the protagonist and unraveling himself in the process
big 'ill-advised villain monologue' vibes
Lmfao yess
"You see Perry platypus it's not my fault for this massive cock up of a mess but before we continue I first must have to ask if you-"
Absolutely breathtaking comment
What a fucking ghoul they are.
Andrew : "you need better sources to make content, not hearsay"
Also Andrew : "I didn't watch the video, it was too long, but my friends said it was false""
he really does sit upon a throne of grey-painted, horned people and has lost sight of reality
@@k.morningstar7983 honestly Andrew just seems like he stopped caring to a point where he lives in a bizarro reality
@@k.morningstar7983 not sure he has a throne anymore lol. his most recent work has a tiny fanbase and seems pretty bitter about not being able to get away from homestuck after being done with it. kinda weirds me out that people talk about him like he has power, the numbers he gets nowadays aren’t even enough to really call him a public figure
@@pseudophori6541 hussie wants to do his own stuff, he left HS behind
@@pseudophori6541 as someone who is in the "fandom" for psycholonials you are definitely right. the game literally references it multiple times- so it seems weird when they say "oh im not associating with it anymore". most of the ppl who do like psycholonials treat hussie like they can't do anything wrong. it's really weird to see. they are definitely not as famous as they used to be
(i say fandom in quotations because it's really small. most people into homestuck don't even know or care about it lmfao)
My favourite part of this is that I suddenly realised they seem to think Sarah's legal surname is Z and I just burst out laughing while doing the laundry.
(that said, maybe it is, I don't know. But it's funnier if it's not)
😂 right? It's like if they called Hbomberguy "Mr Guy" or Philosophytube "Mrs Tube"
My god the email is written like if Charles Dickens had narcissistic personality disorder and ran a callout post blog
r/rareinsults...... or smt like that IDK how reddit works....
Oh my god this is the best joke I've heard all week 😂
two seconds in and cindy sounds like the ultimate gaslight gatekeep girlboss
Very true
That Ravonna Renslayer combo
Maggie does that voice very well it seems. I am also only a few seconds in, and now I'm hoping that Jenny Nicholson will also have a part to play haha
@@rhaeven me too, I need Addison!Jenny
OOP. just said that!
"We understand that Ms. Z is very young"
"For Sarah's understanding..."
Yeah so... Anyone else notice the infantilizing tone in these emails?
I'm much (much) older than Sarah but I literally can't imagine having the balls to dismissively call a 23 year old woman "very young". Sheesh.
I'm a 24 year old woman and it happens to me all the time. I'm also short so I think that adds to it.
There’s no way they would’ve said that if she were a man
I could feel the head pat through the screen
@@allylavender3023 This this THIS! The whole thing was very misogynistic tbh 🤢
Anytime someone accuses you of making false and defamatory statements without quotes and timestamps for those statements all you need to do is laugh in their face.
the whole time i wish she sent: source or stfu