Homestuck Sent Me A Legal Threat, And Then It Got Worse

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  • @SarahZ
    @SarahZ  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7173

    You can now preorder a 'YOUNG, DUMB, AND FULL OF LIBEL' mug here. Please help me monetize this disaster and get a cool mug store.nebula.app/collections/sarah-z/products/sarah-z-young-dumb-and-full-of-libel-mug

    • @mirumiruyokouwuowo7068
      @mirumiruyokouwuowo7068 2 ปีที่แล้ว +211

      sarah im broke

    • @casperchristiansen2458
      @casperchristiansen2458 2 ปีที่แล้ว +235

      Why do I get the feeling that this is more about [REDACTED] accidentally burning Andrew Hussey's breakfast burrito and they've been salty about it ever since, like that one dude from Half-Life 2, than it is about covering up how they treated their employees?

    • @myagamingkat
      @myagamingkat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      btw you ignored the BARR in the fridge.
      *you have committed a sin.*

    • @gaelen5868
      @gaelen5868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Did they get your Twitter??

    • @sbondiw7943
      @sbondiw7943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +116

      I really and truly appreciate that you're merchandising stupid legal threats, I can't think of anything better to do with this mess

  • @HamsterVormFenster
    @HamsterVormFenster 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2454

    As a non-Homestuck I'm glad to have an answer to the question "why is Homestuck so long?" - the answer being "Hussie is physically incapable of being brief"

    • @Fangria
      @Fangria 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +162

      thats an absolutely hilarious way to describe hussie

    • @supotter377
      @supotter377 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +106

      They have a thesaurus and they WILL use it goddamnit

    • @jalapenoofjustice4682
      @jalapenoofjustice4682 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      As a homestuck fan, I can confirm this is absolutely accurate

    • @popcornastoria
      @popcornastoria 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      Honestly? Iconic. He makes me feel so much better about not being able to shut the fuck up. 😂

    • @logicaloverdrive8197
      @logicaloverdrive8197 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I've read Problem Sleuth twice, and yeah, pretty much.

  • @unfunny982
    @unfunny982 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4440

    Imagine not crediting someone because they failed a vibe check.

    • @eneyavorodecky
      @eneyavorodecky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +226

      Imagine not crediting somebody, because YOU THINK they didn't. Which is worse...

    • @the_pseudo_nim
      @the_pseudo_nim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Nope. Can't get there. Gonna need some potent psilocybin or LSD in order to approach that level of absurdity.

    • @michaeljohnson6905
      @michaeljohnson6905 2 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      I want credit
      Andrew: Roll a vibe check
      Nat 20
      Andrew: eh... I don’t think it is

  • @Cherryxarts
    @Cherryxarts ปีที่แล้ว +3639

    The way Hussie has managed to write multiple long emails but basically answer 0 of Sarahs questions is almost impressive

    • @lightyears-xo8qb
      @lightyears-xo8qb ปีที่แล้ว +384

      bruh could had a promising career as an AI Bot

    • @PrimmSlim927
      @PrimmSlim927 ปีที่แล้ว +270

      Exactly like homestuck goddamn

    • @ppdood
      @ppdood ปีที่แล้ว +242

      i mean he wrote homestuck wich is basically "write long ass storylines, rise up questions, be asked said questions and not aknowledge any of them LMAO

    • @King_Minos64
      @King_Minos64 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      Ahhhh, the art of bullshitting to avoid answering uncomfortable questions

    • @saaros
      @saaros ปีที่แล้ว +98

      you can really tell he's the author of the webcomic mentioned prior...

  • @SQUIZZLER24
    @SQUIZZLER24 ปีที่แล้ว +1441

    “I am sorry it took so long to get back to you. I needed the extra time to respond to your condescending and, in my opinion, defamatory email with the appropriate professional tone.”
    Holy. SHIT. That is probably the most incredibly passive yet violently aggressive slam I have ever seen.
    As a Brit who runs on tea and sarcasm, this brought a tear to my eye. It’s beautiful.

    • @cavalierqoon
      @cavalierqoon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

      Good lawyers, when they get a properly righteous cause, do NOT play.

    • @Grim_Sister
      @Grim_Sister 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      Get yourself a Dave

    • @tcpratt1660
      @tcpratt1660 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I read that in James Stephanie Sterling's voice...and SidAlpha's voice...

    • @Chickenkeeper
      @Chickenkeeper 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Honestly my favourite classy slam since "You may test that assumption at your convenience"

  • @Molly-ml1wn
    @Molly-ml1wn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4289

    *WhatPumpkin* : "You take that back!"
    *Sarah Z* : "Take what back?"
    *WhatPumpkin* : "That's a secret"

    • @gamongames
      @gamongames 2 ปีที่แล้ว +116

      this shoud become part of official Sarah Z's merch

    • @snakeygirl4296
      @snakeygirl4296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      What pumpkin more like what secret?

    • @kiloloki
      @kiloloki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      This sounds like a John mulaney sketch lol

    • @DaedalusYoung
      @DaedalusYoung 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      "We actually don't know, because we didn't watch the video"

    • @17smikky27
      @17smikky27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@kiloloki I could literally hear it in his voice when I read your comment lol

  • @painhammerrocketfist
    @painhammerrocketfist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3474

    "HOW DARE YOU SPREAD THIS MISINFORMATION!!!"
    "what misinformation"
    "look, trying to dispell this misinformation has been really hard on us, so we'd appreciate if you just work with us here"

    • @culwin
      @culwin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      Throughout these correspondences, I noticed (although Andrew uses "misinformation"), they usually liked to use the term "disinformation", which is worse than "misinformation" because it implies intent, not just a mistake.

    • @Mugruncher
      @Mugruncher 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      “Ok, but which bits are misinformation?”
      “Look, do you want the story or not?”
      “YES.”
      “…I feel like you’re being toxic”

  • @emmyallen4582
    @emmyallen4582 ปีที่แล้ว +2939

    So "toxic employees poisoning other employees oppinions" is code for "unionising", right?

    • @Grim_Sister
      @Grim_Sister 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +198

      Oh, definitely

    • @selanryn5849
      @selanryn5849 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +292

      Yeah, that's pretty much the only reason why a company would immediately shut down the entire office instead of firing the "toxic" employee.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +145

      I was suspecting as much at that part but complaining that they got together to discuss their all being simultaneously fired confirmed it for me. No need to demonise ex-employees for meeting up for drinks otherwise really.

    • @alexia3552
      @alexia3552 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Dude keeping that, that's hysterical

    • @katherinealvarez9216
      @katherinealvarez9216 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      So they were trying to unionized and everyone got fired?

  • @templarw20
    @templarw20 ปีที่แล้ว +815

    ... so... is anyone else getting "we closed the office because they wanted to unionize" vibes from the story of the NYC office?

    • @Mirrormn
      @Mirrormn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +121

      My mind doesn't go directly to trying to create an official and NLRB-recognized union, but it does definitely feel like there was a person who wanted to make some kind of demands of the management, who was able to convince many of the other employees to back them up (the group who was "poisoned").

    • @IamAlmostRealWitch
      @IamAlmostRealWitch 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      yes, it really does.

    • @MrsHyde1018
      @MrsHyde1018 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Maybe not a “union” per say, but folks definitely wanted/deserved better for the hard work they did, and there seems to be, if I had to put it politely, an or many “rotten apples” either in management positions or positions that had sway in decisions made that was making it hard for lower level employees. 🤷‍♀️
      I’ve seen it happen in the workplace; one or many bad managers come into the work space, and when underlings or second in commands raise complaints, they’re either moved to another area, driven to quit through the bad working conditions going unchanged, or being outright terminated.

    • @reis5011
      @reis5011 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      okay okay ive thought about it and here's my two cents
      from the fact that sarah seems to empathize with the situation WP was in with said former employee i doubt that WP's explanation of what happened had anything to do with unionizing. I'm 90% certain that if they gave any indication that the former employee was making demands about better working conditions sarah would have mentioned it in this video
      same thing with the other people that contacted her. if she had heard form any former employees that they had been trying to advocate for themselves, collectively or individually, before getting shut down then she almost certainly would have noted that here.
      all of this would indicate that this wasn't the case. Like, if they had shut down the branch bc of worker action we very likely would have seen some evidence left behind (in the form of testimonies mentioning that fact for instance). However, "a mismanaged, litigious, and shady company with very questionable work practices fires a whole department suddenly and screws them all over because a 'vindictive' ex employee has convinced all the others that the company is bad & trying to screw them over" is such textbook union busting that i cant fully dismiss the possibility that it happened here

  • @Romanticoutlaw
    @Romanticoutlaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4363

    sarah: hey can you confirm or deny (blank)
    hussie: webster's dictionary defines confirmation as-

    • @SuperNuclearUnicorn
      @SuperNuclearUnicorn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

      Lmao that like from Sarah says it all, doesn't it?

    • @margaretgibbs6673
      @margaretgibbs6673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      🙄 ughhhh right? Like God OKAY we get it Andy, you don't want to admit with words that part or all of this was totally true, or that you or What Pumpkin ever screwed up. Please just shut the fuck up and stop trying to impress people it's not working

    • @genericname2747
      @genericname2747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      Sarah: Hey can you-
      Hussie: According to all known laws of aviation there's no way a bee should be able to fly

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      “It depends on what the definition of ‘confirmation’ is” - Andrew Clinton

  • @allyli1718
    @allyli1718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3742

    “The only reason my employees think I fired them for no reason is because they don’t know why I fired them”
    incredible

    • @ololo518
      @ololo518 2 ปีที่แล้ว +208

      It's more like "The only reason my employees think I fired them for no reason, because I didn't tell them the reason why I fired them" xD

    • @PrismCasillica
      @PrismCasillica 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      The cognitive dissonance is outstanding.

    • @dyrnwynski
      @dyrnwynski 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      And for some reason they believe the outrageous lying lier who is trying to defame my company by saying that no one knows why they were fired! Absurd!

    • @margaretgibbs6673
      @margaretgibbs6673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      Everyone: So...you agree. You or rather the company you worked with, DID fire them without warning or telling them why and have still never given them a reason to this day.
      Hussie:
      ...wellll AKshually, trAnspArENcY isn't a BlaCk anD WhItE IssUeeee

    • @blackbot7113
      @blackbot7113 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      From what I understand of American labor law, it can often be the safest way to fire someone to not give any reason at all. This is because if you GIVE a reason, it might be that firing someone for that reason is illegal.
      To then turn around and complain that the employee who doesn't know the reason does not know the reason is...uh...certainly an interesting move.

  • @Lee-dm7xm
    @Lee-dm7xm ปีที่แล้ว +4239

    You can’t “but I’m a little guy. You’re really gonna be mad at me when I’m just a little guy?” your way out of this one, Hussie.

    • @emememememememememe
      @emememememememememe ปีที่แล้ว +423

      And it's their birthday!!!! Not on their birthday!!!

    • @romanfritz5149
      @romanfritz5149 ปีที่แล้ว +280

      it's their birthday!! you wouldnt do that to a little birthday boy would you :((

    • @actuallyverysoggy
      @actuallyverysoggy ปีที่แล้ว +138

      but it's his birthday! he's a little birthday boy :(( /j

    • @sammicoporsammicopor
      @sammicoporsammicopor ปีที่แล้ว +49

      My mission is successful. I ended homestuck, gave people something to live for and brought hussies antics to the attention of God and he was punished. I'm glad I can rest easy now, knowing I can smoke weed without hussies presence in the back of my mind, knowing my stories were unfinished. Now that they are finished I can move on with my life to other better things.

    • @twezi
      @twezi ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@sammicoporsammicopor wtf manlyburger?

  • @goblintechies4396
    @goblintechies4396 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3114

    Sarah Z: Please take these claims with a grain of salt and think for yourself on the matter.
    What Pumpkin: And I took that personally.

    • @placeholderdoe
      @placeholderdoe ปีที่แล้ว +45

      What pumpkin: I hate thinking!

    • @Darkfyyre
      @Darkfyyre 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      WP thought "with a grain of salt" meant "get salty about it". and they took that literally!

  • @Crossblades34
    @Crossblades34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4722

    honestly hussie played this all wrong from the start - they should have offered to make emily and sarah's trollsonas canon within homestuck in exchange for deleting the video

    • @aimeejenesse116
      @aimeejenesse116 2 ปีที่แล้ว +388

      LOSING MY GODDAMN MIND. THIS IS THE COMMENT.

    • @vfxninja5503
      @vfxninja5503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +494

      See, that's the insane part, you're describing an act of like... Mild respect, in the most minor way. Instead: They just basically said 'LISTEN UP LITTLE GIRL' like a drunk 50 year old man trying to boss around a 35 year old woman.

    • @Gafafsg
      @Gafafsg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@vfxninja5503 😭

    • @oight
      @oight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +207

      hussie would kill them off after one panel like what happened in the past lol

    • @viraltang
      @viraltang 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      @@oight 10,000 well spent......

  • @devincrat5828
    @devincrat5828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2905

    WP: Your video was actually the biggest misinformation spreader in Homestuck's history.
    Sarah Z: Elaborate on that.
    WP: No.

    • @margaretgibbs6673
      @margaretgibbs6673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      It's almost like they didn't have any kind of real answers besides yknow. What the employees said happened. And everything was true or something. But no, I'm sure there was another totaply legit explanation as to why they said that but never actually said anything specific to back it up 🤔

    • @magmaferret636
      @magmaferret636 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      It's bullying via the legal system. If they have good lawyers, they know they don't have a case and it'll stop at emails.

    • @beardedemperor
      @beardedemperor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Sarah Z: So, what part of my video was misinformation?
      WP: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We didn't watch it. But I heard you were mean. 😢😢

    • @blechtic
      @blechtic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I haven't seen the original video and, frankly, I'm not even interested in seeing it. I don't even know who the people or things in question here are. I guess this is about some webcomic, etc.
      That said, either this is basically a criminal-level good-faith mismanagement of and incompetence on the issue, basically a master-class of how not to handle situations and not get caught up in conspiracy theories, especially in ones of your own making...
      ...or they are a bunch of assholes acting in bad faith, threatening and gaslighting, in which case should there be any kind of illegality on their part, they should be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law and deserve every bad thing coming their way.
      Frankly, the most charitable *realistic* interpretation would seem to be that bad shit happened that wasn't their fault, there was serious mismanagement that more or less *was* their fault, and although nothing is actionable, they are unwilling to make the basic good-faith gestures to right some wrongs, because they're spineless morons.
      For some reason, this reminds me of every case ever, where the people who didn't suffer tell the ones who did that there's no need to find out what happened or punish the guilty, because it's all in the past -- usually in very recent past. Guilty or not, this certainly makes them look guilty and I don't even know what it is they would be guilty of.

    • @WraithMagus
      @WraithMagus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@margaretgibbs6673 How dare you slander us with your totally true statements! Your statements have caused us to take irreperable damages and spend THOUSANDS of dollars as we spastically flail about with vague and misdirected allegations with no weight to them! Literally NOBODY had ever heard of Homestuck before someone with a platform THIS powerful and came along! And we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

  • @Katie-hj5eb
    @Katie-hj5eb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2201

    Hussy seems like the kind of person who would represent themselves in court.

    • @KC-zm5lg
      @KC-zm5lg ปีที่แล้ว +87

      STOP THIS TOOK ME OUT --

    • @bloodyneptune
      @bloodyneptune ปีที่แล้ว +116

      I haven't been able to put words to what this guy sounds like, but its this. This is exactly it

    • @ameliadavidson360
      @ameliadavidson360 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      Speaking as someone who worked in a courthouse for seven years....yes, yes, they do.

    • @olliesworld3277
      @olliesworld3277 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      So you mean: a Murdaugh?

    • @Lucifersfursona
      @Lucifersfursona 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Andy in his bulletproof vest and floppy knit hat talking about how only he is allowed to do crimes if indeed he did do any (which he didn’t)

  • @Channel9001
    @Channel9001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3170

    WP: Your video contains misinformation!
    SZ: Ok, what in the video was incorrect?
    WP: One of your sources is a known jerk who has lied in the past!
    SZ: Ok, what did I say in the video that he lied about?
    WP: Well, we haven't actually watched the video, we just know you sited a guy we don't like! So it must be wrong!
    SZ: Ok, watch the video and tell me which parts are wrong so I can fix them.
    WP: Well, I finally watched it, and let me just say, that when we did the things that guy accused us of, it's only because people were being jerks!
    SZ: So you did do those things? Nothing in the video was wrong?
    WP: Look, it's late and I'm tired! Let's just drop this whole thing!
    SZ: But you messaged me!

    • @tsg_frank5829
      @tsg_frank5829 ปีที่แล้ว +375

      "no more contact please we are sleeping"
      "you're the one that contacted me-"
      "I kno i no longer interested, please stop contacting me now or I'll contact attorney general..thsanks"

    • @pur0.
      @pur0. ปีที่แล้ว +94

      @@tsg_frank5829 thsnks* i am a big meme nerd please fix typo or i call attorney general

    • @Live_Laugh_Loathe
      @Live_Laugh_Loathe ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@pur0. tknash

    • @PrimmSlim927
      @PrimmSlim927 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      The fact that this is structured like a pesterlog...

    • @charlesintune
      @charlesintune ปีที่แล้ว +11

      No FR FR this is how this whole altercation transpired LMAO the SparkNotes version

  • @Nialaim
    @Nialaim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3748

    "We understand your client is a stupid little baby" Is probably not the best way to open communications.

    • @KatieCunningham
      @KatieCunningham 2 ปีที่แล้ว +431

      There is no way in heaven or hell that was ever written by a lawyer. I would bet that the lawyer handed them something reasonable, and someone decided to 'punch it up' a bit.

    • @russelljohnson7004
      @russelljohnson7004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +214

      @@KatieCunningham I would be absolutely shocked if WP has a communications lawyer on retainer, especially since the intimidation letter was literally signed by the company's CFO. when this sort of thing is done right, it's usually "hello, I am a lawyer representing ______," not "Hello, I literally run _____, and if you don't do ______ I'll have to hire a lawyer"

    • @mhawang8204
      @mhawang8204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      @@m1k3y48 That may be why Lindsay doesn't believe T. Watson is a "lawyer."

    • @fredericchristie3472
      @fredericchristie3472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      As others have pointed out, it's a real winner move to open up potential libel proceedings by admitting that your opposition both behaved in good faith and couldn't even have not done so.

    • @ruthsagers1714
      @ruthsagers1714 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@m1k3y48 Gal Pals!

  • @SarahZ
    @SarahZ  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9742

    People are informing me that this video may have killed Rumsfeld by means of psychic energy. I can confirm this to be true

    • @disasterdrvid
      @disasterdrvid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +353

      Thank you for your service, Miss Z

    • @TheN00bmonster
      @TheN00bmonster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +553

      Rumsfeld shut down the NYC studio

    • @KO-vb4tg
      @KO-vb4tg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +201

      You were his final and fatal unknown unknown.

    • @eattheasslikeitsgrass5113
      @eattheasslikeitsgrass5113 2 ปีที่แล้ว +165

      Another great addition to the homestick lore

    • @smaenchtumpus6640
      @smaenchtumpus6640 2 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      Luv how i was informed about this thru this comment!!!

  • @DoorstopLordDraws
    @DoorstopLordDraws ปีที่แล้ว +346

    Alternating wildly between "Oh my god, I can't believe Hussie talks like that" and "Oh my god it makes so much sense that Hussie talks like that"

    • @popcornastoria
      @popcornastoria 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Dirk Strider kinnie if I ever saw one.

    • @FirstnameLastname-sb3hj
      @FirstnameLastname-sb3hj หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@popcornastoriai mean, he did write the guy

    • @indigo1562
      @indigo1562 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@popcornastoria this comment made me choke on my tea i am SCREAMING

    • @popcornastoria
      @popcornastoria หลายเดือนก่อน

      @indigo1562 LMAOOOO thanks, it really is hilarious. someday i want to do a video essay on dirk strider as an author avatar character, dirk kinnieship in fandom, and the evolution of dirk's character, tho ofc w respect to the fact that what we know abt andrew is only what they've shared about themself. i... promise my idea for a video essay is just as funny as it is nerdy af! 🤣

    • @fuzzywuzzy4564
      @fuzzywuzzy4564 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@popcornastoria i may be misremembering but hussie mightve admitted on his old tumblr blog that the striders were more or less his mouthpieces

  • @spenceduggs8449
    @spenceduggs8449 ปีที่แล้ว +768

    "If you had approached anyone at What Pumpkin to get the right information, then maybe your reporting would be accurate!"
    IF WHAT PUMPKIN COMMUNICATED EFFECTIVELY ENOUGH, THE REPORTING WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN NECESSARY.

    • @charlesintune
      @charlesintune ปีที่แล้ว +31

      That's what I was thinking this WHOLE time lol

  • @zebraneighbor6383
    @zebraneighbor6383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2438

    My favorite part is when WP said that they understand Sarah is young and inexperienced, and therefore prone to mistakes but they know she wasn't acting with malicious intent. That undermines their ENTIRE libel case. In order to convict someone of libel, you have to prove that they intentionally wrote false statements with the purpose of damaging you.

    • @chubbybunny6975
      @chubbybunny6975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +122

      Underrated comment because fuck I didn't even think of that!

    • @clarelisaromero
      @clarelisaromero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +160

      As a law student, this checks out. The people at WP are mad stupid lmao

    • @d13_a
      @d13_a 2 ปีที่แล้ว +161

      “We know you didn’t intend to ruin our reputation, but we’re suing you for trying to ruin our reputation unless you take it back”

    • @klisterklister2367
      @klisterklister2367 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      HAH

    • @phoenixbillion1842
      @phoenixbillion1842 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You're talking about actual malice, which relates to public figures.
      Defamation, including libel, does not ordinarily require proof of actual malice.

  • @sashafuller1028
    @sashafuller1028 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4107

    “I needed the extra time to respond to your condescending, and in my opinion, defamatory email with the appropriate professional tone” GOD DAMN DAVE HOLY SHIT

    • @AlletaLady
      @AlletaLady 2 ปีที่แล้ว +556

      Dave was hilarious and I hope he gets occasional free coffees. Especially the "TH-cam is a platform accessible to all" mic drop at the end.

    • @Grim_Sister
      @Grim_Sister 2 ปีที่แล้ว +227

      An absolute savage.
      We all need to get ourselves a Dave

    • @Galactic_Centre
      @Galactic_Centre 2 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      @@AlletaLady You said it, but really before reading your comment I got myself thinking that if I ran into Dave, I would so buy a coffee for him! And for Sarah and Emily as well of course.

    • @danielpotes8508
      @danielpotes8508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I CACKLED!!!!

    • @tekvax01
      @tekvax01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      RIGHT?! This man personifies self-restraint!!

  • @Chemicaldessert
    @Chemicaldessert ปีที่แล้ว +1150

    The way he talks to you is so reminiscent of an abusive boyfriend the energy is unreal for someone who doesn't even know you

    • @emilybarclay8831
      @emilybarclay8831 ปีที่แล้ว +158

      He’s definitely the sort to maliciously drive his partner to the point of tears and then call them unreasonable and emotional and crazy

    • @lightyears-xo8qb
      @lightyears-xo8qb ปีที่แล้ว +54

      and he still didn't watched the vide XD

    • @mxveewz
      @mxveewz ปีที่แล้ว +64

      OMG literally THIS. I wasnt able to put my finger on specifically why their writing felt off before, but that is the exact energy I got holy crabs

    • @Mia199603
      @Mia199603 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Gaslighting in its prime

    • @peenyweeny3834
      @peenyweeny3834 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      righttt like the classic "everyone who says bad things about me is Poisoned and Toxic you can only trust me or they will poison you too"

  • @unlimited_hangout
    @unlimited_hangout 2 ปีที่แล้ว +958

    hussie giving big "all my exs are crazy" energy

    • @kragary
      @kragary 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      "all my exes got together and brainwashed each other into thinking I'm the bad guy or something" 🤷‍♂

  • @sleepykoinu
    @sleepykoinu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5033

    Congrats to Emily for being Assigned Female By Homestuck

    • @artcowboy
      @artcowboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +137

      This killed me

    • @lextatertotsfromhell7673
      @lextatertotsfromhell7673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +501

      Afah: assigned female at homestuck

    • @TheAbigailDee
      @TheAbigailDee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      This is GOLD

    • @ProjectEchoshadow
      @ProjectEchoshadow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +210

      Wait if they can declare a trans person as cis could they do the reverse? I don’t want to take hormones I hope they never notice me

    • @nosuchthingasgoodcows7003
      @nosuchthingasgoodcows7003 2 ปีที่แล้ว +226

      @@ProjectEchoshadow oh god it’s the jk rowling effect

  • @CrimsonOptics
    @CrimsonOptics 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5191

    I'm pretty sure there's a rule in journalism roughly paraphrased as "If your investigation leads to harassment and legal threats, you're usually onto something."

    • @sinsoftheswamp8346
      @sinsoftheswamp8346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +254

      Doing something very right or very wrong

    • @MystiqMiu
      @MystiqMiu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +286

      the day ms zed is wanted by the cia is the day we pool our resources together to get her outta the country bc she'll be RIGHT

    • @wyn9693
      @wyn9693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +157

      @@MystiqMiu the highest honour a journalist can have is assassination attempts

    • @thepastaprogenitor851
      @thepastaprogenitor851 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@wyn9693 or to locked up with the key thrown away like Julian assange

    • @wmurd
      @wmurd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      but that's stupid. I'm pretty sure there are people out there who could be rightfully outraged by slander

  • @haydenwallis6708
    @haydenwallis6708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3351

    The way Andrew says "poisoned" over and over to describe any former employees with a negative experience gives me such a gross feeling.

    • @Liquefaction
      @Liquefaction 2 ปีที่แล้ว +145

      Just reading the words of this creature make me shiver

    • @cericat
      @cericat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +210

      Welcome to how some avoid any legit criticism after a team member has departed. By painting them as a malicious source.

    • @KazzieBB
      @KazzieBB ปีที่แล้ว +95

      its something i would say when i was an edgy 7th grader, im baffled why he thinks that's just normal to say now.

    • @lemmymeringue8528
      @lemmymeringue8528 ปีที่แล้ว +160

      I have to say yeah, the repetition of such an intense word as "poisoned" through out all of these emails was a major red flag. To me that's just such an intense descriptor, a word that could mean someone will die, and to see it be thrown around here after every instance of an employee minorly and validly critiquing their employer? It makes me think of cult leaders and villains... Characters, not actual humans. Eww.

    • @80yearsold23
      @80yearsold23 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Yeah same lol. Reminds me of exactly how a shitty boss acts like

  • @always_snackin
    @always_snackin ปีที่แล้ว +1122

    "transparency isn't a black and white concept" gets me everytime

    • @arambles1
      @arambles1 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      “transparency isnt a black and white concept, mr bond.”

    • @ddragontheloud
      @ddragontheloud 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +106

      "transparency isn't a black and white concept" yeah because it's clear lol

    • @margaretgibbs6673
      @margaretgibbs6673 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      RIGHT fndkdks like cmon just say you don't ever intend to actually give any straight answers unless forced to at gunpoint or something and go (because you likely don't have any answers that wouldn't confirm every bad thing people have ever said about you or the company lmao)

    • @jotape419
      @jotape419 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "Transparency isn't a black and white concept" Yes, it is transparent

  • @maiaeden
    @maiaeden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3486

    wp: i can't believe you would promote all these lies
    sarah: what lies?
    wp: wouldn't you like to know weatherboy

    • @imanster5713
      @imanster5713 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      This one. This my favourite 🤣

    • @maiam388
      @maiam388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      omg a fellow maia with an i!

    • @TheDevNell
      @TheDevNell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      This is like the TLDR of the entire video.

    • @bigtimetimmyjim6486
      @bigtimetimmyjim6486 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      "wp's sketchy...back to you guys."

    • @d.w.stratton4078
      @d.w.stratton4078 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha

  • @albanegauran4283
    @albanegauran4283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2148

    Andrew: I'm contacting you personally to tell you the real story.
    Sarah: Okay, what's the real story ?
    Andrew: ✅ Seen 11:29 AM

  • @craigcurtis8755
    @craigcurtis8755 ปีที่แล้ว +457

    Got to give him credit though, the guy who wrote an 800,000 word web comic knows how to filibuster.

  • @jakek1735
    @jakek1735 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1548

    Imagine if Jenny Nicholson's My Little Pony video had resulted in Jenny getting into a series of emails with Lauren Faust that made Jenny lose any respect she ever had for Lauren. This is one of the most surreal things I've ever seen, and I'd somehow never even heard of Homestuck until I stumbled onto these two videos.

    • @msf2399
      @msf2399 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      Oh, I’m so sorry you were part of that day’s unlucky 10,000…
      (Referencing the popular statistic that 10,000 people on average learn about any given thing for the first time on any given day.)

    • @IWishILivedInEngland
      @IWishILivedInEngland ปีที่แล้ว +59

      I haven't personally read HS but this whole mess is actually an extremely accurate representation of HS in general

    • @jffry890
      @jffry890 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I haven't heard of Homosuck in like a decade so these videos were fun to stumble across.

    • @jakek1735
      @jakek1735 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@msf2399 Oh I do love xkcd

    • @daemonspudguy
      @daemonspudguy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Neither had I. Granted I'm 19 but apparently I was also already very much online in the early 2010s (as the existence of this very TH-cam account proves). I think it must have been what I've decided to term as my "tech coma" for various reasons that I won't get into now.

  • @CatCheshireThe
    @CatCheshireThe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +898

    All the "former employee clearly has a grudge and is spreading vicious lies about the company" stuff is really giving me "wow ALL your ex-girlfriends are crazy, huh?" energy

    • @pooplenepe59
      @pooplenepe59 2 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      This this this this this. Hussie has a comical lack of self awareness at best, and at worst...

    • @richardsonIII
      @richardsonIII 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      They were all poisoned!!!1!! by someone else! Just ask ME.

    • @dqaupop
      @dqaupop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      At this point, I’d be willing to bet that Name Redacted did nothing wrong at all.

    • @annapettit8045
      @annapettit8045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      dqaupop I read this and all my brain could hear was Sarah Z saying "Vriska did nothing wrong" from the first video lmao

    • @mads_in_zero
      @mads_in_zero 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me, having just watched Matt McMuscles' "Whu Happun" video on Lords of Shadow 2: Hmm, wow that's so interesting.

  • @zacharyheine4177
    @zacharyheine4177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +870

    "We were in over our heads and poorly managed this project, and anyone who correctly identified this situation was attacked without mercy so that we came off as cruel instead of incompetent."

  • @12me91
    @12me91 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +411

    Nearly two years later and WP/hussie still haven't delivered the game or owned up to their actions.

    • @Kissingerzones1311
      @Kissingerzones1311 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      And they never will.

    • @samuelvzveddscs1638
      @samuelvzveddscs1638 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

      They couldn't deliver an answer to any of Sarah Z 's questions, How the hell are they supposed to deliver a game?

    • @theresakurth6916
      @theresakurth6916 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Thanks for the update, I was wondering

    • @BetaJackMaxis
      @BetaJackMaxis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      There's a reason I now exclusively refer to him as "Andrew Cuntie," and not just because I'm with the Australians on calling the idea that "cunt" is a hideously vile word is sexist as all hell.

    • @geckopecko
      @geckopecko 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah lmao

  • @arsyn.kolgrim
    @arsyn.kolgrim ปีที่แล้ว +685

    "we understand that Ms. Z is very young, and her irresponsible, unethical journalism is the result of ignorance" the seething rage felt through a screenshot on a video is scalding, i can't imagine having to read that email myself. fuckallthat
    edit: i’m rewatching these homestuck videos cause my partner has been getting into homestuck and i just love the email at 19:05. big GET EM energy
    edit 2: this whole thing boils down as
    Sarah and Emily doing days or weeks of research to make a video accurately and reliably explaining the history of Homestuck and Homestuck affiliated media such as Hiveswap, Homestuck 2: Beyond Canon, Friendsim, Pesterquest, etc. In said video, anything not explicitly verified with tangible proof is beforehand recommended to be taken with a grain of salt, as in, think critically about such information and don’t take it as 100% irrefutable fact.
    Andrew Hussie and What Pumpkin in response don’t even watch the video, but jump to threaten legal action and lie about having to deal with (nonexistent) extreme and irreparable damages to their brand because of the video they didn’t even watch; when Sarah asks what misinformation needs correcting, never clarify what this misinformation supposedly is, because again, they didn’t even watch the video.
    I just have to laugh. How are you gonna sit there as a company and be like “We know you did tons of research to explain this topic, but you didn’t do the kind of research we specifically would have liked, and even though we didn’t watch your video, we don’t like what you said in it.”

    • @BarioIDL
      @BarioIDL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      irresponsible, unethical and ignorance, .... why does this smell like projecting?

    • @moviesquad73
      @moviesquad73 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Its hilarious how that email talked about Sarah as if she was twelve years old and not a grown ass adult

    • @WhiteWolf-lm7gj
      @WhiteWolf-lm7gj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@moviesquad73 "This 5 year old who has hundreds of thousands of followers clearly has no idea about anything"

    • @MayyaK11
      @MayyaK11 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      sAME YEAH IT'S SO BELITELLING

    • @blueroses4767
      @blueroses4767 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      it also takes away any legal claim of defamation which is hilarious.

  • @sarahhirsch8919
    @sarahhirsch8919 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11791

    Andrew Hussie writes emails like a person who would write a long, meandering, and convoluted web comic.

    • @AJ-pu9jq
      @AJ-pu9jq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +451

      Lmfaoo this is the one

    • @vincetravis8701
      @vincetravis8701 2 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      Oof

    • @HayLeesHomeMade
      @HayLeesHomeMade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +237

      Funny you should say that....

    • @wilmagregg3131
      @wilmagregg3131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +716

      yeah no wonder undertale stole the throne out from under them at least toby foxxes sentences dont run longer then a marathon and know how to tell a coherent story

    • @californiacobra527
      @californiacobra527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      😂👏👌

  • @jadeyn617
    @jadeyn617 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3245

    reading hussies emails is like “there’s definitely a lot of words here, they have no substance, but there sure are a lot of them”

    • @joshybug122864
      @joshybug122864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      It's just Kankri, don't mind him

    • @drpenper
      @drpenper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +211

      basically homestuck summed up

    • @SheliakDragon
      @SheliakDragon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      In our local debating sphere, we called that psychobabble

    • @k.morningstar7983
      @k.morningstar7983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      feels just like i'm reading the court documents from the Romine Bros

    • @alexmoll161
      @alexmoll161 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Except there is some substance.. which comes down to "what happened is actually worse than you thought, but don't tell anyone"

  • @cynicismIncarnate
    @cynicismIncarnate 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +823

    Coming back to this video 2 years later, and nothing has changed!
    Act 3 still isn't out. We've gotten yearly art asset updates twice in a row from an online fan convention.
    Homestuck 2 is still MIA.
    We finally learned what Homestuck 2.0 is because of a James Roach livestream from the previously mentioned convention.
    A Tumblr post from someone who worked at WP (Unsure if they still do) "revealed" that WP is out of cash. Hardly much of a reveal.
    Hussie and WP have gone back to radio silence. They've confirmed a majority of Gio's second article while still labeling him as a stalker. Gio is one of the people actively preserving Homestuck through the Unofficial Collection. WP's business now almost relies on his work, as the official sources are either deleted or in an awful way.
    These legal threats and email exchanges are almost entirely the last bit of PR the company has done. Clearly, all is well.
    See you all in 50 years for Act 4's release.
    Edit: Homestuck 2 has returned, though it is no longer Homestuck 2 and just Homestuck: Beyond Canon. OG HS2 is canned for good. New team lead by James Roach.

    • @_-Lx-_
      @_-Lx-_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

      50 feels a bit unreasonable don't you think? Lets not rush them now, I'm expecting at minimium a few thousand years.

    • @elise2399
      @elise2399 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      i think homestuck should just be released into the public domain at this point 😕

    • @genericname2747
      @genericname2747 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      ​@@elise2399Please, it'd be so funny. We'd have books with writing quirks, and trollsonas

    • @moviesquad73
      @moviesquad73 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      And I thought Elder Scrolls 6 has been taking forever 😅

    • @cassiecrotzer7324
      @cassiecrotzer7324 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I’d like to hear your take on the recent update, name change, staff switch up, etc.!

  • @thebonesaw..4634
    @thebonesaw..4634 ปีที่แล้ว +526

    I love when companies write stuff without running it past an attorney first.
    "I told them - in a letter I signed and sent from my email - that we weren't seeking financial compensation and that I understood that they were young, ignorant and weren't trying to intentionally hurt us".
    "You did what now?"

    • @King_Minos64
      @King_Minos64 ปีที่แล้ว +102

      “I told them also that we already had a response ready for our backers and it was not a big deal.”
      “You mean to say that you just invalided the case we tried to set up?”

  • @meggomyeggo431
    @meggomyeggo431 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4648

    Plot twist: Everyone Sarah interacted with in this video is actually just another sock puppet account for famed My Immortal author Toby

    • @Maker_Az_Is
      @Maker_Az_Is 2 ปีที่แล้ว +268

      Hush Toby! You aren't supposed to tell on the other toby alts yet. 🤣

    • @hailey7871
      @hailey7871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      I cackled

    • @marvelousTUD
      @marvelousTUD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      That ' s not true, some of us are just normal commenters ;)

    • @Solutad
      @Solutad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      fuckin toby at it again

    • @Xsior
      @Xsior 2 ปีที่แล้ว +118

      @@marvelousTUD Sounds like something toby would say

  • @alexawood1588
    @alexawood1588 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3750

    “Transparency isn’t a black and white concept.” No, you’re right, Hussie. It’s clear or opaque.

    • @ZebrinhahDesrosiers
      @ZebrinhahDesrosiers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      I CACKLED

    • @samt3412
      @samt3412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      Sometimes it's translucent though

    • @corncake4677
      @corncake4677 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      Transparency is a prospitian and dersite concept

    • @shadowcween7890
      @shadowcween7890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      this is translucence erasure /j

    • @samt3412
      @samt3412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@corncake4677 bro what

  • @davidclark7595
    @davidclark7595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +990

    Sarah throughout half of this video:
    “This is a surprise tool that’ll help us later”

    • @twist22
      @twist22 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      LOVE THIS 🤣🤣🤣

  • @Alexis-vv5bk
    @Alexis-vv5bk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +528

    Does anyone else feel grossed out at how Andrew calls people "poisoned" like they're lesser people or totally bad without nuance?

    • @iwakeupandboomimarat
      @iwakeupandboomimarat ปีที่แล้ว +78

      it has the same energy as people who say "omg all my exes were sooo crazy"

    • @Lucifersfursona
      @Lucifersfursona 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      “Poisoned” = “I wasn’t able to gaslight and Manipulate these people into thinking I’m just a sweet little guy and it was their fault actually” nice Andy

    • @Grim_Sister
      @Grim_Sister 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      He strikes me as the abusive boyfriend that uses manipulation tactics to get you completely under his thumb.
      That or the pickup artist that tries to neg you to get you to sleep with him

    • @devynnhanson
      @devynnhanson 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That and “toxic”

  • @cottontailsify
    @cottontailsify 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3779

    "We didn't credit her because she was saying bad things about the company."
    "You realize that makes you a bad company, right?"
    *Surprised Pikachu*

    • @kriscynical
      @kriscynical 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      The comment immediately below yours has the surprised Pikachu as their userpic, istfg. That was weird.

    • @sablecyan2517
      @sablecyan2517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      "No it doesn't and you're a malicious liar!" XD

    • @Scuttable
      @Scuttable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      It's not as bad as you think it is! I mean, it's worse, but like, it's not what you think it is. It's just exactly what you think, but worse.

    • @MoonRaven21
      @MoonRaven21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Disney is also a bad company at times, they want a sparkly child friendly image but we all know that they just want your money and other stuff I cant talk about.

    • @kriscynical
      @kriscynical 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@MoonRaven21 What? They just want our money?? *Surprised Pikachu*
      You just described every major company in existence.

  • @juju-been
    @juju-been 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1087

    The words "we understand that Ms. Z is very young" almost made me RAGE.

    • @beanboy5963
      @beanboy5963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +265

      Mark my words, they would NEVER have said that shit about a man

    • @JohnDoe-gy5dr
      @JohnDoe-gy5dr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@beanboy5963 I would agree with you in other areas but calling someone young to suggest they are naïve is pretty universal.

    • @HellNaw98
      @HellNaw98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      @@JohnDoe-gy5dr Nah, that’s some shit that’s said to women far more often

    • @boomboomskidskid
      @boomboomskidskid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@HellNaw98
      That seems more like personal life experiences (which is valid) than actual data

    • @hf.1906
      @hf.1906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Yeah that email felt sexist af

  • @ehoddes
    @ehoddes ปีที่แล้ว +160

    It's weird that "disgruntled former employee" is used so often as a discrediting description when the literal meaning is "this is a person that I once had power and authority over and they now hate me." In isolation that information in itself reflects badly on the former employer for anyone who isn't reflexively authoritarian.

  • @felixhenson9926
    @felixhenson9926 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    Imagine owning an incredibly successful IP and acting like ONE barely negative TH-cam video is gonna utterly destroy any work they could possibly do, whole company's gonna collapse, millions of dollars lost. Wild.

    • @Kissingerzones1311
      @Kissingerzones1311 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Okay first of all Homestuck is not "an incredibly successful IP" it is a long dead relic of early 2010s internet with it's decaying corpse being reanimated by Tumblr.
      Second the whole company of whatpumpkin and it's other affiliated studios have completely collapsed years ago with everyone getting fired
      Thirdly the millions (specifically almost 3 millions) he collected from a 2012 Kickstarter to make a game called Hiveswap (which btw isn't even close to finishing devolvement after more than 11 years of waiting) have been completely wasted by the man's own admission.
      I really feel bad for anyone who has ever worked with that idiot.

    • @Grimmsister23
      @Grimmsister23 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Ironically their extreme reaction seems to have done substantially more harm to the IP than the original video lol

    • @Ice-Climber
      @Ice-Climber 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To be fair, it stopped being successful a long time ago.

  • @alljustletters
    @alljustletters 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2796

    pissing myself about how sarah, who is “very young”, is the only one acting like a professional adult in this exchange

    • @danielleverdant1100
      @danielleverdant1100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +124

      Then they squeezed in "ignorant" like 🤦‍♀️

    • @shytendeakatamanoir9740
      @shytendeakatamanoir9740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +134

      Dave's response was pretty great, but yeah

    • @thebreadcircus
      @thebreadcircus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I'm only a few minutes in and I already want to see the rest based on this comment alone. And also because of the intro to the video. And also because, Sarah Z.

    • @luckyc4t110
      @luckyc4t110 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

      @@danielleverdant1100 "Ignorant" is such an odd insult to use when the information that would alleviate said ignorance has been intentionally kept under wraps by the person talking.

    • @deanna5280
      @deanna5280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I stan Dave too but yeah

  • @danyul8578
    @danyul8578 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3092

    seeing sarah drive was so weird i forgot she's an actual person and not an ancient scribe sitting in a chair like the three eyed raven

    • @Alice-burrice
      @Alice-burrice 2 ปีที่แล้ว +289

      that was a body double, the real sarah z has never left the couch! don’t spread misinformation!! /j

    • @malekkd
      @malekkd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +211

      the theory that the wine glass is actually Sarah and that the glass is possessing this random woman to make videos has been debunked. i cannot believe this

    • @lariozavc7828
      @lariozavc7828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same

    • @strawberryqueen0382
      @strawberryqueen0382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@Alice-burrice that was Sarah A

    • @justas423
      @justas423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      She's secretly Odin (like most people)

  • @thomaskalinowski8851
    @thomaskalinowski8851 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    If this was an episode of Scoobie Doo, Hussie would be the guy who warns the kids that the old Collins place is haunted while trying to hide the ghost costume in the back seat of his car.

    • @guiltygearalonecompl
      @guiltygearalonecompl 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      “Argh, and I’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for my meddling mouth!”

    • @Kitten_Kadoodle
      @Kitten_Kadoodle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Now I want to see a Scooby-Doo-esque show starring Sarah and Emily

  • @jpatel0398
    @jpatel0398 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +119

    “Why do we bash shitty studios for not giving credit to their employees but we never question if the employees had bad vibes? Or are just unpleasant to be around?”
    - Andrew Hussie

  • @nonarygaming9520
    @nonarygaming9520 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3140

    Knowing Sarah was a homestuck fan as a younger teen and knowing from personal experience that that group used to Idolize hussie back in the day as some sort of god of comedic and dramatic writing, I can’t imagine how it must have felt to receive these patronizing, condescending, roundabout emails from someone you used to love as a creator and realize “oh, they suck actually”.

    • @CookedPages
      @CookedPages 2 ปีที่แล้ว +401

      Never meet your heros.

    • @jayiu9170
      @jayiu9170 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      YES.

    • @a-s-greig
      @a-s-greig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +111

      @@CookedPages You can't count on _anyone, especially_ your heroes.

    • @Delnyque
      @Delnyque 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      It hurts to watch these videos, I can’t imagine how it feels to create them

    • @Anna-tk7ui
      @Anna-tk7ui 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@CookedPages Only get a picture. You can't be disappointed by a picture.

  • @hbomberguy
    @hbomberguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9089

    Real Vriska move to do this

    • @ckorp666
      @ckorp666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +457

      bad business practices coming to light? iRRRRRRRRECONCILA8LE

    • @Guruc13
      @Guruc13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      Daaaamn straight.

    • @SarahZ
      @SarahZ  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3250

      That means I did nothing wrong

    • @zephyroze
      @zephyroze 2 ปีที่แล้ว +169

      @@SarahZ best roast, and controversial to some

    • @NimhLabs
      @NimhLabs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +159

      Hey, @hbomberguy, how long until you get sued by Moffat for the Sherlock video?
      As I mean... if what What Pumpkin says is totes how it goes... you've clearly got a lot of stuff from Moffat coming your way

  • @LiquidNCAK
    @LiquidNCAK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    It's wild to see Hussie constantly complain about not being reached out to about the video before publication to dispel rumors and lies, but when Sarah Z actually reaches out to him, he refuses to clarify literally anything or even point out what his actual grievance is.

    • @beckyginger3432
      @beckyginger3432 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Also geo did reach out and was labelled a stalker for it

  • @5PctJuice
    @5PctJuice ปีที่แล้ว +576

    Can I just point out how insane mixing cotton candy Faygo and Limoncello is? Like, does that actually taste?

    • @SarahZ
      @SarahZ  ปีที่แล้ว +674

      Thank you for asking! :) It was bad!

    • @alanhersch4617
      @alanhersch4617 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@SarahZ Phew, I thought you were a psychopath with that mix. XD

    • @thetruebloodchannel6194
      @thetruebloodchannel6194 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Is it bad that that drink looks really yummy? And is it bad that I want to try it out when I'm of legal drinking age?

    • @5PctJuice
      @5PctJuice ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@thetruebloodchannel6194 Well you'll never regret the mistakes you don't make, so I'd say go for it when you're able to! I'd recommend against it but I also don't like alcohol so you can just use the excuse that I'm probably not a great source.

    • @JulianSildenLanglo
      @JulianSildenLanglo ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@thetruebloodchannel6194no, that's not bad at all. Once you become 18 and can legally drink, I recommend trying at least one new drink every time you go drinking. It helps expand your palate and makes it easier for you to find out what you like, which ingredients match well together, and which don't.

  • @joannamarieart
    @joannamarieart 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3128

    Hussey: "We are TOTALLY transparent, ask us anything!"
    Also Hussey: "Transparency is such a relative concept, honestly."

    • @flaetsbnort
      @flaetsbnort 2 ปีที่แล้ว +345

      and also Hussey: "can you even handle full transparency, Sarah? Many have tried, many have perished"

    • @joannamarieart
      @joannamarieart 2 ปีที่แล้ว +143

      @@flaetsbnort 😂🤣😂🤣 She is just a naïve little pretend journalist, so definitely probably too delicate for the real facts!! But if only she'd ask, he's prepared to give them!

    • @dronecanon9794
      @dronecanon9794 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hussie was transparent, completely. Then he gave Homestuck away.

    • @milkglassfairy7641
      @milkglassfairy7641 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      Sounds like suchhhh a wanker. Like the kind of guy you meet in a club and he pretends to be sooo deep and acts like he’s above everyone else there and after a while you realise he’s not deep or intelligent at all he’s just condescending and scummy and when you realise this he turns into a r/niceguy and spams you with novel length nasty messages about what you’re missing out on and how stupid you are. Or he cheats on you and then tries to explain it away in some fake-philosophical bs that makes your head hurt so much that you can’t even remember what tf you’re actually confronting him about.
      Anyway that’s the vibez I get.

    • @joannamarieart
      @joannamarieart 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@milkglassfairy7641 Agree 100%!! Literally so wordy and for WHAT??

  • @jamesmooney3472
    @jamesmooney3472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4576

    Getting big “Lindsey Ellis getting legal threats from the wolf porn lady” vibes

    • @Alice-burrice
      @Alice-burrice 2 ปีที่แล้ว +345

      this is the sequel

    • @IsaacMayerCreativeWorks
      @IsaacMayerCreativeWorks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +456

      not to mention that Maggie Mae Fish is yet again voicing the lawyer

    • @Anna-tk7ui
      @Anna-tk7ui 2 ปีที่แล้ว +319

      Sarah Z is fulfilling her dream of ascending to Lindsay Ellis status. Just wait until she's cancelled on Twitter.

    • @notsophie3911
      @notsophie3911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I was thinking that !!

    • @angelspit
      @angelspit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      weirdos are really going after breadtube these days huh

  • @maycassidy
    @maycassidy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    I didn't know how funny it would be to hear Big Joel say "I'm the creator of Homestuck"

  • @sep2807
    @sep2807 2 ปีที่แล้ว +441

    I love the part where he insists you stop "hopping around the timeline asking questions in a way that's disconnected from understanding the totality" lol dude's never gonna stop writing HS

    • @armageddongirl612
      @armageddongirl612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      yeah when i saw that i immediately thought of his horrid timeline in hs too

    • @tsg_frank5829
      @tsg_frank5829 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      motherfucker made the entire canon of Homestuck into this sentence, on loop

    • @higztv1166
      @higztv1166 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      really the homestuck vibes

    • @Caldoric
      @Caldoric 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Dude thinks they're characters in their own comic rather than IRL, wtf.

    • @OctEddie
      @OctEddie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I understood that as “stop asking questions about not-Gio while I’m ranting about my disdain for Gio.”

  • @elbruces
    @elbruces 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3214

    "Your honor, we're suing her because she said bad things about us."
    "She personally did?"
    "Well technically, she reported that other people said bad stuff about us but that's the same thing."
    "Was any of what she reported false?"
    "Yeah!"
    "Okay, which parts were false and what evidence do you have that it was?"
    "Like... stuff. And because we say it was."

    • @JamesDenholm
      @JamesDenholm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +363

      "Your honor, I still haven't actually reviewed the defendant's defamatory statements myself..."

    • @danielhenderson9719
      @danielhenderson9719 2 ปีที่แล้ว +183

      “Your honor, we still may or may not have actually watched the video in which we presume she reported things that portray us in a bad light. Therefore, we would like to make a motion to stick our foot in our mouth and chew vigorously until the end of time.”

    • @mattbounds
      @mattbounds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      "Again, which parts were false?"
      "Uhhh... POISON. POISONOUS PERSON. POISON."

    • @brianb.6356
      @brianb.6356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      And FWIW, even the first step by itself is enough to defeat a defamation claim.
      You can't be sued for saying true things, including "other person X said bad things about What Pumpkin that I have no method of confirming or denying". That's undeniably true, irrespective of what actually other person X said and whether those things themselves are true.

    • @peevester9987
      @peevester9987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      I mean, those hussie-grams sounded like so much "you can't handle the truth" that it's WAY, WAY into self-parody here. Dave Strider would be either golf clapping or, what was the phrase, doing some sort of acrobatic f***ing PIROUETTE off the handle and winning like a medal or some shit.

  • @rachelsyrup
    @rachelsyrup 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2103

    Andrew: ask me what happened
    Sarah: Okay, what happened?
    Andrew: how dare you

    • @manillargo
      @manillargo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      gaslight gatekeep girlboss i guess

    • @paulunga
      @paulunga 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@manillargo What?

    • @manillargo
      @manillargo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paulunga it’s a saying

    • @paulunga
      @paulunga 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@manillargo I know. I just don't get how it fits here. But it's fine.

    • @margaretgibbs6673
      @margaretgibbs6673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@poniko6034 yeah the minute someone who's claiming so confidently that someone DEFINITELY has said all lies and slander or done a terrible job ADMITS they never even watched any part of said video or read any part of whatever work, even through someone else? That is the point where one officially needs to Stop Talking Now because you ain't getting your credibility back for NOTHING and whatever you say next on the topic might as well be hot air.

  • @Bogwedgle
    @Bogwedgle ปีที่แล้ว +409

    I've gotta say, the more I read of Andrews emails, the more I get Extremely bad vibes from them, the way they talk will be recognisable to anyone who has had any kind of personal or professional relationship with someone who's highly manipulative.

    • @Bogwedgle
      @Bogwedgle ปีที่แล้ว +110

      There's this sort of soft underlying patronising tone to them, trying to make you feel like they know more and they don't really have any strong feelings about any of this they're just trying to help you understand why you're bad and wrong, out of the goodness of their heart, it's gross. It reads reeeeal gross.

    • @King_Minos64
      @King_Minos64 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just how the dude is. He is not the best person in the world. Just because their piece of art is good doesn’t mean the creator necessarily good.

    • @nitebreak
      @nitebreak ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@King_Minos64 from what i have seen the piece of work is also highly flawed

    • @just_matt214
      @just_matt214 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How do you think he managed to get 6 million people to cosplay as grey alien teenagers with speech impediments?
      Say what you want about his writing, but in my opinion the guy's *real* talent is audience manipulation.

    • @King_Minos64
      @King_Minos64 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nitebreak Nor have I read it, but there has to be something there to build and maintain a massive audience. If something is entertaining, then that thing is good. If tons of people take valuable time out of their day for it, then it must be entertaining.

  • @cceres
    @cceres ปีที่แล้ว +283

    One of my favorite things about listening to Big Joel talk is that has a way of sounding simultaneously evenly calm and completely unhinged. He was the perfect and obvious choice for this role.

  • @Themi.
    @Themi. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2615

    Every TH-camr needs to find their specific niche. Sarah's niche is terrible, badly researched videos that are full of malicious - dare I say libellous - lies, that are actively harming small creators in fandoms that she isn't even part of and never has been.
    I know this, based on the numerous videos by her that I haven't watched.

    • @3possumsinatrenchcoat
      @3possumsinatrenchcoat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +440

      had me in the first half, not gonna lie

    • @pheonixrises11
      @pheonixrises11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      @@3possumsinatrenchcoat yeah, this got me real good

    • @0yourmom019
      @0yourmom019 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      LMFAO

    • @godforreal7355
      @godforreal7355 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Oh that's precious. You're getting fussy. Baby need nap?
      Edit, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to my dog.

    • @livendus
      @livendus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@godforreal7355 Read to the last line, it's only a well crafted joke!

  • @LindsayEllisVids
    @LindsayEllisVids 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38772

    Sending hollow legal threats to TH-camrs: always a smart move

    • @mpeanut5066
      @mpeanut5066 2 ปีที่แล้ว +869

      Lindsay I love you and I'm glad you're around 💜

    • @pukeleterson9512
      @pukeleterson9512 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1164

      This sure does sound familiar Lindsay 🤔

    • @TheGrinningViking
      @TheGrinningViking 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1156

      I'd have called it an Alpha move if I was you, but I'm a bit of a smart ass 😎👍

    • @skulIastica
      @skulIastica 2 ปีที่แล้ว +840

      If I had a dime for whenever a youtuber got a legal threat from an out-of-touch lawyer, I would have 2 dime. While it's not much, it weird that it happened twice..

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +523

      The legend, the menace, the Ellis, Lindsay herself!

  • @walnutsrcool
    @walnutsrcool ปีที่แล้ว +195

    God reading Gio’s update on all of this and seeing screenshots of one homestuck writer literally calling for their fans to “go get this bitch. STALKER” and “ can you guys please go rip him apart?” about gio is so scary

    • @morcego7712
      @morcego7712 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      What

    • @shib5267
      @shib5267 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      what

    • @viraltang
      @viraltang ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Really makes their reasoning for canning HS2 because they said was because of harassment look even more sketchy. Like they knew what they were doing. They just wanted an easy out and scapegoat out of it once all the goodwill it had was gone and it hemorrhaged readers/Patreons.

    • @celisewillis
      @celisewillis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Holy crap, so that Homestuck writer was literally projecting onto Gio what they were doing themselves. Shameless.

  • @Zernium
    @Zernium 2 ปีที่แล้ว +507

    See, the funny thing about this idea that the first video "did irreparable harm" to the Homestuck/What Pumpkin brand is that at least in my case, it's the exact opposite. I had only vaguely heard of Homestuck before, and while browsing this channel's catalogue, I saw the two Homestuck videos and thought that I'd watch them to find out what on Earth it was. The first video made me curious enough that I probably would have wanted to check it out, had I not known that the second video was about legal threats. This second video killed any interest I had in it, since it's clear that the creator is immature and vindictive, and like every power-tripping, abusive boss I've ever had.

    • @kaykeunil
      @kaykeunil ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Ikr like I had basically only heard the word Homestuck and nothing about it, and so when I watched the video I was like huh. Cool, an interesting fandom. It’s nice that people found a community in the comic. And then I got to here and was like…ah. I see that any interest I had in looking into it is gone

    • @higztv1166
      @higztv1166 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      homestuck is good tho

    • @toptextbottomtext6104
      @toptextbottomtext6104 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@higztv1166 Eh, is it though? IMO it very much has the feel of a very rough first draft (which by all accounts, it is)

    • @higztv1166
      @higztv1166 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@toptextbottomtext6104 but it has so many amazing moments and ideas and characters and world-building
      Not all of homestuck is good, it has a lot of shitty parts too, but when it's good it's reeeeaaally good

    • @cavalierqoon
      @cavalierqoon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      A year later. Basically same.

  • @tomnoble5377
    @tomnoble5377 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2682

    I remember finding Hussie's overly verbose writing style in Homestuck kind of amusing and charming, like someone being humorously pretentious. I didn't think he *actually* wrote like that. It's like he's permanently in HS narrator mode, which is kind of terrifying.

    • @illusrin
      @illusrin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +322

      Same. I used to look up to it, I'd write my damn English essays from middle school in the style, pff. Homestuck made me a verbose kid and later I realize that it was pretty insufferable and unnecessary to adopt even in academic contexts.
      Now I just laugh at it, reading the exchanges in this video is a really odd, half-nostalgia, half-cringe packed retrospective on a big part of my life at the time.
      I think his writing style would be more charming if he did...exist outside of it? Haha

    • @genericname2747
      @genericname2747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +320

      Haha! Wow what a cool writing style! It must take a lot of effort to write like this!
      Wait what do you mean this is how the person writes normally

    • @saturn1331
      @saturn1331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +145

      Don't know much about Homestuck myself, but it seems like this guy is stuck *in* Homestuck, and all the fame and glory it brought him. Maybe that's why he's still rolling with how he types.

    • @boxorak
      @boxorak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      Put like that, it reminds me of Sherlock where what seemed to be clever writing actually wasn't.
      EDIT: Actually, what this REALLY reminds me of is things like Sonichu and Empress Theresa. You know, terrible works made by people who actually do write like that in real life and take criticism about as well as a slug can handle salt.

    • @ideaargentino6529
      @ideaargentino6529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@boxorak what about sherlock now? Where? I wanna understand, and agree, pretty please expand?

  • @leighplayscello9330
    @leighplayscello9330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +406

    "We understand that Ms Z is very young and..." OHHHH FUCK THAT

    • @rwalkman10
      @rwalkman10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      30-45 year olds b like...

    • @Shadowlegendlover
      @Shadowlegendlover 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      And the bit where they said that her journalism was "unethical" like girl HUH

    • @GrayAndGrey
      @GrayAndGrey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Always remember, kids: if you are younger than us, you are dumber than us!
      -What Pumpkin Entretainment, _et al._

    • @leighplayscello9330
      @leighplayscello9330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm 32 and call myself old all the time and this bit enraged me anyway lol

    • @malicetoaster1557
      @malicetoaster1557 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A MERE CHILD OF 30

  • @walnutsrcool
    @walnutsrcool ปีที่แล้ว +138

    “I don’t care much about policies of secrecy” proceeds to try to make Sarah swear to secrecy and put positive spin on her reporting for the length of a college thesis

  •  ปีที่แล้ว +118

    "The damage is already massive and irreparable" Uh, it feels like Cindy doesn't really know what "irreparable" means.

    • @alexander_markovski
      @alexander_markovski 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      It means Big and Scary enough to frighten the Immature Little TH-camr into Taking Down The Evil Video, of course

    • @billveusay9423
      @billveusay9423 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

  • @a3wagner
    @a3wagner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1775

    Hussie: *makes Homestuck*
    also Hussie: I didn't watch your video as it's a bit long, don't you think?

    • @deltabrassica6650
      @deltabrassica6650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      you had to be there

    • @vulpixxlenya2284
      @vulpixxlenya2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@deltabrassica6650 idk man. I couldn’t stop watching this video

    • @margaretgibbs6673
      @margaretgibbs6673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      The audacity of a creator of HOMESTUCK to complain that a 2 hour video is too long to watch...

    • @a-s-greig
      @a-s-greig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Probably explains why he didn't have the patience for anything else.
      **sips tea**

    • @paulenan9636
      @paulenan9636 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I mean, it was 26 Sargons long

  • @josephlitera3448
    @josephlitera3448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1707

    sarah: asks a question
    andrew: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

    • @MxSherwood
      @MxSherwood 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      I love this particular joke bc we know from experience (Palpatine) that not knowing when to let something go is one of the best ways to ruin everything it touches

    • @AmberLecuyer
      @AmberLecuyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lmaoooo 🤣

    • @talesfromthenuzlocke1619
      @talesfromthenuzlocke1619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Is it possible to learn this power?
      Not from a Webcomic

    • @klaklaplaplaleuszek9970
      @klaklaplaplaleuszek9970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LMAOOOO >o

    • @colbaltheretic1518
      @colbaltheretic1518 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ironic

  • @esme_melody
    @esme_melody 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +122

    so wild how quickly andrew in these emails is oscillating between "i don't have any intention of being inflammatory UwU" and "that really inflammatory and threatening 'legal' letter we sent to u was completely okay and justified, actually" god what a piece of work

    • @BarioIDL
      @BarioIDL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      the voice over ain't help much with the cringe

  • @limbobilbo8743
    @limbobilbo8743 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    “Did you not justly credit people?”
    “No! We’d never do that! All we did was decide not to put someone’s name in the credits because of their statements when in other contexts we would.”

  • @ElysianLys
    @ElysianLys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1644

    "You got this wrong."
    "Okay, what did I get wrong."
    "I haven't actually watched the video but you were wrong."
    "Okay, about what though."
    "I watched the video anyway here's Wonderwall."

    • @casperchristiansen2458
      @casperchristiansen2458 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      It's weird how much Hussey sounds like one of the trolls he created.

    • @NightKev
      @NightKev 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@casperchristiansen2458 Maybe not that weird, he was just drawing on himself for inspiration.🤔

  • @evelyncastillo1094
    @evelyncastillo1094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1418

    DAMN get yourself a Dave, that man didn’t hold BACK

    • @DravenUrei
      @DravenUrei 2 ปีที่แล้ว +198

      This is such a funny comment if you just imagine it as Dave from Homestuck going back to Hussie like "Yeah, no. You're not suing shit."

    • @goingghost8297
      @goingghost8297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      Dave is my hero and if I imagine him as Dave strider it works.

    • @evo683
      @evo683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@DravenUrei I fucking love this image

    • @hellothere702
      @hellothere702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Is it bad that I really wanted Dave to escalate it and just be like "okay if you think you have such a good case sue us, go ahead try it"

    • @ShootingStarNeo
      @ShootingStarNeo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@goingghost8297 Todd in the Shadows is now my headcanon Dave Strider voice.

  • @Salocinist
    @Salocinist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +370

    this all just reads to me as someone's passion project getting really, _really_ out of hand and finding themselves in a possition of responsability over a whole lot of people without having the slightest idea of how to treat employees properly

    • @timgoldberg3333
      @timgoldberg3333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      This happens all the time when small businesses get big. Just because someone is able to run a little homegrown business and make money off it does not mean they're qualified to manage an expanding corporate entity with an obligation to produce, legal responsibilities, and hundreds of employees. Hussie seems like somebody that got big off a passion project, thought he could handle being a big shot, and now the weight of every bad decision he's ever made in that role is pressing down on him. His emails to Sarah come across to me like the desperate ramblings of somebody who's trying to talk their way out of a bad situation without seeming like that's what they're doing, hence the rambling non-answers and general air of affected arrogance. He knows he screwed up, the only question is how much will it cost him?

    • @tsg_frank5829
      @tsg_frank5829 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Hussie, a guy that was drawing and writing webcomics for mostly his own amusement and that of a small audience on the internet, most of them being extremely niche and appealing only to people with his kind of humor or cultural background, happens to start a webcomic that by premise and circumstance explodes in popularity to absurd degrees, becoming a cultural movement online and attracting a mass of young kids that obsessively dedicate themselves to the project.
      Yeah, it clearly went beyond it's original scope and it was too much to handle for him and as the years went by he started caring less and less about his own creation and leaving it up to the fans to pick up the scraps, i mean most of the good parts weren't really his anyway (art, sprites, music, animation) so the fact that by the end of it he just gave complete authority to fans in an attempt to rid himself of responsibility and then failed?
      yeah.
      Funny how people always considered him as this mastermind gigabrain that always knew what it was doing, when clearly he wasn't at all.

    • @TheStarBlack
      @TheStarBlack ปีที่แล้ว +8

      To me it reads like the guy got blinded by the dollar signs in his eyes and decided to fleece his fans for every penny he could get out of them while providing next to nothing in return. It's just greed, plain and simple.

    • @KetsubanSolo
      @KetsubanSolo ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @tsg_frank5829 I do remember he went to great lengths to say that Homestuck was a warmup for something bigger he wanted to do, and he basically kept the comic dragging because he kept trying to tie in fandom memes into the lore.
      If he wasn't such a jerk I'd feel really bad that the thing he clearly wanted to be more known for (Psycholonials) is just some weirdass VN dumped on Steam and what he will be remembered for will be a webcomic that had a massive following and then basically went off the rails.

  • @oscodains
    @oscodains 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    They can’t tell you what is false, because none of it was false. They can’t admit that because they could land themselves into a lawsuit themselves over their response.

  • @sonjaquan5775
    @sonjaquan5775 2 ปีที่แล้ว +621

    as someone who never got into Homestuck, I now understand why it's so lengthy - Andrew takes twenty words to say one.

    • @jagodafi2104
      @jagodafi2104 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      You have no idea how true what you said is. When i saw that Andrew wrote to her i was immediately like "oh no" because its a person who could write WALLS of text over and over again in back to back updates

    • @FreyaEinde
      @FreyaEinde 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Saying a lot to say absolutely nothing…like just listening to it was head spinning

    • @selinnazsur2328
      @selinnazsur2328 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It can be fun to read in a comedic setting but not like this...

    • @ThatOneGuy0006
      @ThatOneGuy0006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can skip entire paragraphs in HS and still understand it. People saw this as a good thing back in the day.

  • @AD-ov5rt
    @AD-ov5rt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2462

    Andrew Hussie won't rest until your fond memories of Homestuck stop breathing.

    • @202cardline
      @202cardline 2 ปีที่แล้ว +125

      Omg Hussie wants to kill homestuck...the creature he birthed...

    • @tora189
      @tora189 2 ปีที่แล้ว +175

      weirdly enough, that can perfectly fit into the new homestuck continuity

    • @TeddieSage1987
      @TeddieSage1987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +164

      It's not surprising. He had so many burnouts over this franchise. But the way he's disrespecting his fans is disgusting.

    • @Nadia1989
      @Nadia1989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      He wants to do a Karen Rowling

    • @carbonsinatrenchcoat
      @carbonsinatrenchcoat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      I cannot BELIEVE how hard he's trying to absolutely demolish what he has. It's incredible, really.

  • @clownvictim
    @clownvictim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +318

    Some of Hussie's e-mails read sooo much like how my abuser used to speak to me, especially during arguments; seems so passive aggressive and condescending lmao

    • @placeholderdoe
      @placeholderdoe ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Sorry that you were abused, I really hope you’re doing better now and are free of them

    • @clownvictim
      @clownvictim ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@placeholderdoe I'm away from them now and I'm definitely getting better and healing from the damage they caused. :') Thank you so much for this reply it's really sweet and means a lot to me

    • @placeholderdoe
      @placeholderdoe ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@clownvictim that’s sick! Have a great day!

  • @ccdaly2561
    @ccdaly2561 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    "SARAH Z YOU ARE HEREBY LEGALLY REQUIRED BY THE COURT OF ME TO BE NICE TO MEEEEEEEEEEE (specifically by lying, concealing and obfuscating)"

  • @mathelaw8994
    @mathelaw8994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +438

    The fact that Hussie can't get to the point makes sense considering they wrote Homestuck

    • @cuttlefishii
      @cuttlefishii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This comment deserves all the thumbs up, I choked

  • @NotJonJost
    @NotJonJost 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1983

    The more Hussie talked, the more believable the apparently untrustworthy Gio post became.
    And boy did Hussie talk a lot.

    • @badlydrawnturtle8484
      @badlydrawnturtle8484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +297

      Partway through the Hussie section, I was thinking "So THIS is why lawyers tell you to speak as little as possible."

    • @Grunk369
      @Grunk369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +121

      When I heard “eighteen thousand words.” I knew this was going to be a ride. My first ever novella was 25 thousand words, barely more than Hussies drawn out messages.

    • @Sniperbear13
      @Sniperbear13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      and honestly, i don't even think he was really reading the Email's Sarah was sending.

    • @jamzee_
      @jamzee_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Andrew, fucking, Hussie.

    • @jerkdently5994
      @jerkdently5994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      What I find impressive is the level of narcissism it must take for Hussie to have been totally unaware of what an unprofessional, paranoid, vindictive, petty, duplicitous, manipulative and condescending tyrant they made themselves out to be when corresponding with Sarah. To think that was legitimately their best attempt at portraying their company in the most positive possible light is genuinely entertaining to me.
      I love how Sarah Z reacted with the poise and emotional restraint needed to draw information out of a frustrating person like Andrew Hussie.
      I wonder how all those Kickstarter contributors will feel when they learn the true nature of who they gave their money to.

  • @CrazyRiverOtter
    @CrazyRiverOtter 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    You know... watching your Homestuck video was the most positive homestuck-related thing I've ever done. It gave me an appreciation for the series that no one had before, and humanized Hussie and his work.
    Too bad these legal threats made me throw all of that out the window LMAO

    • @LeGurdah
      @LeGurdah 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree.
      I'll confess that I saw Gio's blog posts on the Hiveswap fiasco _first,_ years long before I actually sat down this evening and finally watch these two videos, so right from the word "go," my perception of Andrew Hussie was already irreversibly tainted (with that said, I could easily infer some of what Sarah was talking about, helped by my prior experience with reading Homestuck extensively back in 2016.)
      (My opinions on What Pumpkin got a tad worse after I re-read those blog posts as they were updated over the years.)
      Just after finishing the first video (not realizing it had a follow-up until a few minutes after the fact,) I didn't think much about how my negative opinions of Hussie and WP would change.
      _Well..._ I didn't think 'twould change much _until_ I watched said follow-up, this video.
      'Thas been an honest-to-god long time since I winced in agony, and this time 'tis over Cindy's, ''er, "threat," and Andrew Hussie's ludicrous and mental-gymnastics-ing _chain_ _of_ _emails,_ on top of the passive-malicious wording, constant usage of that "poison" euphemism, tap-dancing around the _main_ subjects they were supposed to respond to, and... don't get me started on the treatment of employees and the crediting crap.
      'Twill be fucking tougher for me to come back to the web-comic I once loved so much after... all of that.

  • @mousedrinker4641
    @mousedrinker4641 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    Jesus, no wonder Homestuck was so long and convoluted, Andrew Hussy is PROLIFIC in these emails

    • @a.dennis4835
      @a.dennis4835 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Brevity is the soul of wit.

  • @user-oh4wv7wd2v
    @user-oh4wv7wd2v 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3036

    hussie said “gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss” and “manifest, mansplain, manipulate”

    • @willtowers1532
      @willtowers1532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      thembo behaviour

    • @poke-talia268
      @poke-talia268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      @@willtowers1532 nah, thembos are actually pretty chill from what I've seen

    • @russelljohnson7004
      @russelljohnson7004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      manipulate, mansplain, malewife

    • @lgbtqiarights
      @lgbtqiarights 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      how did u mix up manifest and malewife smh (/j)

    • @cupguin
      @cupguin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Drink!

  • @Kruhee
    @Kruhee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1280

    I don't care about Homestuck at all, but these emails are some of the most freaking condescending and patronizing things I've ever heard and I can't help but laugh.

    • @katieb.1184
      @katieb.1184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Same. I have no clue how I ended up here but holy fuck was I angry by the end of some of those emails.

    • @selty
      @selty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      It's on a level you see on sitcoms. We just assume those characters are heightened.
      Imagine being so awful you would fit right in on a cartoon? That's like my idea of hell.

    • @d13_a
      @d13_a 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      same, I was really glad Sarah did the original history of homestuck video bc I never got into it back in my teenage years- now I’m kinda glad I didn’t, I can’t imagine what fans are going through seeing all this go down and knowing they were basically scammed 2M dollars

    • @millaarts4294
      @millaarts4294 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They have the same vibe as if they were talking to their employee and not someone independent and not accountable to them and that's wack to me.

  • @UmbreonMessiah
    @UmbreonMessiah 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1186

    *THEY SENT LEGAL THREATS WITHOUT WATCHING THE THING THEY WERE SENDING THREATS OVER.*
    Jesus. Tapdancing. Christ. I'd heard of Hussie and their comic years ago, and from all accounts of the things they did and posted, I thought for sure someone would cotton on to the fact that they weren't a good person...or at the very least, scamming their fans and laughing about it while the fans couldn't read between the lines. But to see Hussie revealed as a cartoon villain is...surreal, to put it mildly.

    • @cjhunt9532
      @cjhunt9532 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      hussie said he hadn't seen it. the ceo of wp sent the threats. different people

    • @noizepusher7594
      @noizepusher7594 ปีที่แล้ว +115

      He didn’t watch because he wanted to “stay unbiased” like the video was a piece of superfluous information rather than the entire topic of the discussion

    • @22sfs22
      @22sfs22 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      This reminds me of the massive backlash around that one video on Doctor Who. If you know, you know. And if you don't you're better off that way.

    • @blackosprey2219
      @blackosprey2219 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I'll take "bullshit that'll get you laughed out of court" for 500, please.

    • @GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub
      @GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@noizepusher7594 the final boss of centrism

  • @zotha
    @zotha ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Threatening to weaponize your fandom against a someone who just reported publicly available information is despicable.

  • @larsu-gx579
    @larsu-gx579 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6299

    Andrew Hussy is literally like a cartoon villain accidentally explaining his entire plan to the protagonist and unraveling himself in the process

    • @lolafendetti970
      @lolafendetti970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +364

      big 'ill-advised villain monologue' vibes

    • @katgames101
      @katgames101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Lmfao yess

    • @viraltang
      @viraltang 2 ปีที่แล้ว +310

      "You see Perry platypus it's not my fault for this massive cock up of a mess but before we continue I first must have to ask if you-"

    • @Lucifersfursona
      @Lucifersfursona 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Absolutely breathtaking comment

    • @Blueeyesthewarrior
      @Blueeyesthewarrior 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      What a fucking ghoul they are.

  • @22freedom33
    @22freedom33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1378

    Andrew : "you need better sources to make content, not hearsay"
    Also Andrew : "I didn't watch the video, it was too long, but my friends said it was false""

    • @k.morningstar7983
      @k.morningstar7983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +149

      he really does sit upon a throne of grey-painted, horned people and has lost sight of reality

    • @zenzenulous2243
      @zenzenulous2243 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      @@k.morningstar7983 honestly Andrew just seems like he stopped caring to a point where he lives in a bizarro reality

    • @pseudophori6541
      @pseudophori6541 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      @@k.morningstar7983 not sure he has a throne anymore lol. his most recent work has a tiny fanbase and seems pretty bitter about not being able to get away from homestuck after being done with it. kinda weirds me out that people talk about him like he has power, the numbers he gets nowadays aren’t even enough to really call him a public figure

    • @LennoxParsec
      @LennoxParsec 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@pseudophori6541 hussie wants to do his own stuff, he left HS behind

    • @Horsehater500
      @Horsehater500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@pseudophori6541 as someone who is in the "fandom" for psycholonials you are definitely right. the game literally references it multiple times- so it seems weird when they say "oh im not associating with it anymore". most of the ppl who do like psycholonials treat hussie like they can't do anything wrong. it's really weird to see. they are definitely not as famous as they used to be
      (i say fandom in quotations because it's really small. most people into homestuck don't even know or care about it lmfao)

  • @skylarjohnson7779
    @skylarjohnson7779 2 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    My favourite part of this is that I suddenly realised they seem to think Sarah's legal surname is Z and I just burst out laughing while doing the laundry.
    (that said, maybe it is, I don't know. But it's funnier if it's not)

    • @celisewillis
      @celisewillis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      😂 right? It's like if they called Hbomberguy "Mr Guy" or Philosophytube "Mrs Tube"

  • @casacara
    @casacara 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    My god the email is written like if Charles Dickens had narcissistic personality disorder and ran a callout post blog

    • @Chorismos
      @Chorismos ปีที่แล้ว +4

      r/rareinsults...... or smt like that IDK how reddit works....

    • @nejdalej
      @nejdalej 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh my god this is the best joke I've heard all week 😂

  • @ohworm1169
    @ohworm1169 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4882

    two seconds in and cindy sounds like the ultimate gaslight gatekeep girlboss

    • @migsy1
      @migsy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Very true

    • @chetansanghani6284
      @chetansanghani6284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      That Ravonna Renslayer combo

    • @rhaeven
      @rhaeven 2 ปีที่แล้ว +156

      Maggie does that voice very well it seems. I am also only a few seconds in, and now I'm hoping that Jenny Nicholson will also have a part to play haha

    • @Nadia1989
      @Nadia1989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@rhaeven me too, I need Addison!Jenny

    • @Djoodibooti
      @Djoodibooti 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OOP. just said that!

  • @kalilach.vtuber4065
    @kalilach.vtuber4065 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1381

    "We understand that Ms. Z is very young"
    "For Sarah's understanding..."
    Yeah so... Anyone else notice the infantilizing tone in these emails?

    • @rakino4418
      @rakino4418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +211

      I'm much (much) older than Sarah but I literally can't imagine having the balls to dismissively call a 23 year old woman "very young". Sheesh.

    • @petalchild
      @petalchild 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      I'm a 24 year old woman and it happens to me all the time. I'm also short so I think that adds to it.

    • @allylavender3023
      @allylavender3023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      There’s no way they would’ve said that if she were a man

    • @christinechesse8777
      @christinechesse8777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      I could feel the head pat through the screen

    • @kalilach.vtuber4065
      @kalilach.vtuber4065 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      @@allylavender3023 This this THIS! The whole thing was very misogynistic tbh 🤢

  • @publiusii4246
    @publiusii4246 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Anytime someone accuses you of making false and defamatory statements without quotes and timestamps for those statements all you need to do is laugh in their face.

    • @BarioIDL
      @BarioIDL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      the whole time i wish she sent: source or stfu