The Hidden Power In Your Cylinder Heads - Detailing For The Home Engine Builder

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  • Inconsistencies in factory cylinder castings can create a huge discrepancy between what power an engine makes vs what it's supposed to make. Detailing the ports and bowls is not as radical as a true porting job, but it can still unlock a nice chunk of power for free. Best of all, anyone can do it without any special tools or secret knowledge.
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  • @forthwithtx5852
    @forthwithtx5852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    Project Farm just did a comparison of carbide burrs. If you’re looking for quality burrs, bits, etc. it’s difficult to find much better than Cle-Line. Quality cutting tools for decades. Made in USA.

    • @ZEPRATGERNODT
      @ZEPRATGERNODT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I swear I was going to write this same info and then I thought I’d better look in the comment section. Bam!

    • @richbon9904
      @richbon9904 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@ZEPRATGERNODT that's is hilarious. I almost did same.

    • @fireballxl-5748
      @fireballxl-5748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Perfect timing with Project Farm! Uncle Tony and Todd are both experts....not just in name, but in actuality. None better.

    • @ZEPRATGERNODT
      @ZEPRATGERNODT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @port nut
      Good info

    • @crautoguy8384
      @crautoguy8384 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I found porting cast iron heads with a Burr use a fine tooth For removing large Amount of material Doesn't Grab and bounce around as much Takes a little longer But end up with a nice finish not much clean up And you don't have A bunch Micro metal splinters All over your shop and in your hands

  • @TheMajictech
    @TheMajictech 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I once drank about 50 gallons of beer over several weeks after work “detailing” some ford 351 Windsor heads. Well it was actually quite extensive surgery. People would about shit themselves when they saw a 302 turn over 9k rpm with ford cast iron heads. It was standing an all steel and glass maverik on its ass for almost the entire first gear in the adapted power glide tranny. More fun than a sack of monkeys. ;)

    • @davidnelson6893
      @davidnelson6893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      HAHALOLLOL

    • @TheMajictech
      @TheMajictech 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not bullshitting. This car had 5:38 gears. The first stage of the rev limiter was 5500 second was 8800. Ran the 1/8 mile in the low 7s When you let go of the trans brake you saw nothing but the hood and the sky. Not even close to a street car. The tattle tale tack read over 9k most of the time. Had the big plug Windsor heads with a ton of custom work done to them. This was back in the mid to late 80s before everybody made aluminum heads for it.

    • @nobodynoone2500
      @nobodynoone2500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Man I miss my maverick, That thing was a damned drift machine, and i only had the straight 6 wit hthe 4 speed.

    • @brandonsstaples919
      @brandonsstaples919 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm definitely calling bullshit .

    • @TheMajictech
      @TheMajictech 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brandonsstaples919 bullshit on what?

  • @forthwithtx5852
    @forthwithtx5852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    When I was in my High School auto shop, I pulled the heads on my 1971 Pontiac. One of the instructors said, “Say what you want about Pontiac, but they have fully machined combustion chambers.” And they did.

    • @jimjungle1397
      @jimjungle1397 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Pontiac V8 heads do have machined combustion chambers. 427 Fords do too, but 428 CJ heads are based on 427 heads and have cast combustion chambers.

    • @raoulcruz4404
      @raoulcruz4404 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Interesting 🤔

  • @b-bertstm1135
    @b-bertstm1135 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry to hear about Jim, i was following his channel and will miss his updates, he did a very good job explaining and he cared about his work...

  • @Tommy_Mac
    @Tommy_Mac 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    UT: "in these there's a lot of weirdnesses".
    That's the story of my life...

  • @vrm86gt
    @vrm86gt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Mopar Al has been a great addition, definitely a hard worker!

    • @paulhare662
      @paulhare662 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Especially since the Junkyard Jet project has become the Junkyard Sit. I guess the boys have finally noticed girls.

  • @PreacherDan
    @PreacherDan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    My late father, owned two 1970 roadrunners. Both had 383 magnums and 727 torque flight transmissions. One wouldn’t pull your hat off your head. The other, was the fastest car he ever owned.

    • @bobkanno6797
      @bobkanno6797 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Had a 68 RR pure stock , early 67 production it would run mid 14, granny shifting it at Lions drag strip, even Ronnie Sox didn't believe it until he saw the time slips.

    • @bryandraughn9830
      @bryandraughn9830 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It seems like the later type 383's had a lot of variance. I've seen a few that had some serious snap to em.

    • @toddlacusta5325
      @toddlacusta5325 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      After spending roughly 25 years in the foundry game I can tell you there are countless ways a casting can be flawed. It sounds like high production always trumped quality and consistency.

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bobkanno6797 Lyons!! Was taken there as a little kid by my uncle, terminal island also.
      By the time I started driving there was only LACR for quarter mile. Was there for their last test n tune night
      Now theres only Famoso, hours north just too far for me to go these days.

  • @427_FE
    @427_FE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I made a speed controller from a ceiling fan/light dimmer . It makes the tootsie roll sanders last longer on the die grinder.

    • @MrTheHillfolk
      @MrTheHillfolk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@judythomas2939 yep , I worked in an engine shop, and I was redoing an engine at home.
      Bores looked good,no need to bring it into work, so the cylinder guy said watch the hone machine operate and become one with it😄
      So I did😄
      Really slow rpm, like 200rpms or so and shove that sucker up and down as fast as you can.
      I had a spare block to test on so when I did mine it came out mint.
      That was early 2000s and I had like 7k for parts in it, I can't imagine what it woulda cost to just drop it off at a shop.

    • @99jeepxjguy97
      @99jeepxjguy97 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrTheHillfolk Bee da machine . . .Bee da machine .. . .

    • @nobodynoone2500
      @nobodynoone2500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Only works on old-style brushed motors, the newer brushless, and even the slow-start and capacitor start wont run with halfwave current.

    • @427_FE
      @427_FE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nobodynoone2500 Good point, I am using a Craftsman die grinder I bought in '81

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Foredom brand foot pedals hands free speed control...the best!!!
      I like taking the tootsie rolls and making them completely true by running them against another piece of sandpaper on a flat surface. Finish comes out perfect

  • @jamesblair9614
    @jamesblair9614 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Long ago I bought a set of 906 heads off a 2 barrel 383, I don’t know if mine were representative of them all, but I was stunned when I pulled them apart, it looked as if they had used the wrong cutters under the valves. The throats were so small the big valves were of no benefit. I saw the same situation on a set of 67 HP 440 heads, under the bigger exhaust valves, the throat was the same as the standard LP head.

  • @JohnB-le2pi
    @JohnB-le2pi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Excellent video Tony! Question for you: What are your thoughts on the the Direct Connection/Mopar Performance big block cylinder head porting templates? I had a '70 Challenger RT/SE 383/4 spd I was going to use them the cars 906 heads but sold the car. I just found the unused package a while ago when digging through some stuff. It came with plastic sheeting that you cut to size using the printed templates. Thanks in advance to your answer!

    • @cavedave1922
      @cavedave1922 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was about to ask the same question and you beat me to it. Are used the direct connection template on the same 516 heads Tony’s working on and followed the template to the T and then had bigger valves installed in the heads. I have the motor sitting in a 65 sport fury 383 4 speed convertible project but lost interest and never cranked the motor, so I don’t know if all that work paid off. Maybe I’ll ask that question in one of his live chat

  • @RedWhiteAndBlueVideo
    @RedWhiteAndBlueVideo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @ Uncle Tony’s Garage
    Would it be best to use old valves in the heads when grinding and de-burring, so as not to get into the seats?

  • @atflokee
    @atflokee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I am surprised that you didn't mention anything about cleaning up oil drain holes/slots...

  • @AtZero138
    @AtZero138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Mopar Cylinder Head Monk...
    @∅

  • @randoboomer2345
    @randoboomer2345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I finally realized something Uncle Tony. Watching this channel is like reading the old Hot Rod magazines. I loved those magazines, and I learned a lot from them. I am learning a great deal more, however from your channel. Thank you for bringing those magazines to life.

    • @NeilLB7
      @NeilLB7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Uncle Tony was an editor for several car performance magazines back in the 80’s. He also was doing things with Fox Mustangs before it became really popular.

  • @merkbrains3105
    @merkbrains3105 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank you so much for these videos Tony and crew.!! You have taught me so much in such a short period of time. Thanks again Brutha👊

  • @crautoguy8384
    @crautoguy8384 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm sure a lot of people have heard it Mopar stands for mama's old pig aint running. it reminds me when I was a kid. my grandma had 4 door may be duster but like seventies police cruiser Model .with A 440 She was like 75 years old and went to visit my dad tuned it up and We went for a ride. My dad punched it over this bridge. that thing burned tire over the entire bridge and it was awesome. Pop said maybe grandma shouldn't have this car.

  • @kylapendley924
    @kylapendley924 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The ridge next to the valve seat inside the bowl will give you about 15 cfm more, face cutting the exhaust valve will yield about 7 cfm @ .050. Use a sanding roll to get the rest of the port smoothly transitioned.

    • @flinch622
      @flinch622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This might surprise you, but I never use sandrolls. A double cut burr, maybe a stone and done. But I use a variable speed tool - it gives me good control and with proper surface speed, burrs don't load up with metal. I need 4 burr shapes: flame and egg get about 85% of things done, ball and cylinder finish the rest.

    • @kylapendley924
      @kylapendley924 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@flinch622 it helps a lot on nitrous engines or engines with large cams where vacuum and thus runner speed is greatly reduced. The intake transitions are all I am talking about here not the surface itself. The exhaust should be mirror if possible and bowl as well. Helps control ping (knock).

    • @thelongranger55
      @thelongranger55 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@flinch622I use a flex shaft grinder & load the bit up with a hard bar of soap or bar of polishing compound . Don’t ask me why just try it .

  • @waynesmith7487
    @waynesmith7487 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    RIP Jim Bennett 🙏
    Love to Tony, Kathy and all of both crews!

  • @obsessedwithcars219
    @obsessedwithcars219 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    another incredible informative video. thank you!

  • @al_dente4777
    @al_dente4777 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You're exactly the shop teacher I needed, back then

  • @Sitebutcher
    @Sitebutcher 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    port and polish, thanks man. I avoided the mistake of cheap burrs and bought quality. I watch your shows, not once, but several times. love the straight forward no bull teaching, thank you. Elmer

  • @ADDMEONPSN
    @ADDMEONPSN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I had a question is it okay for the Combustion chamber part to not be smooth like yours? When I grinded mine down it seems impossible to get smooth.

  • @IMunchOnCats
    @IMunchOnCats 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    On my 596 smog heads I found that the short side of the bowl transitioning to the runners was more of a 90 degree turn then a nice round corner. I know most guys highly recommend that you never touch that side as its really easy to ruin your heads here, but just removing that lip and rounding that corner had a pretty big impact on my flow bench.

    • @superkillr
      @superkillr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      thumbs up for having a flow bench and being able to backup what you see and do.

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@superkillr Only way to learn porting really. Short turn is the toughest to get to and can yield incredible results!
      Nothing comes easy eh?
      If I owned a flowbench nobody would ever see me again .Locked in the garage with a coffeemaker Im in heaven.
      Would only come out to eat and sleep

  • @stevenmachurick2712
    @stevenmachurick2712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I watch a lot of TH-cam...... This is by far the coolest build (Slag Hammer) and the one I am anticipating the most!!!!!! also.... I get SO many comments on my Uncle Tony's "This is sketchy even by my standards" T shirt every time I wear it!!!!!!

  • @joshuacovell642
    @joshuacovell642 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Always learning something from every video

  • @garyvisser8987
    @garyvisser8987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Had a 69 Pontiac Ventura 10.5 compression. The thing never ran good until I started feeding it 100 low lead av gas. It was very carboned up and choked up. And real good until a guy thought it would be a good idea to shift at 6500 it w
    with a long rod Pontiac 400

    • @Generaider
      @Generaider 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got a '69 Catalina with the stock 2-barrel & 10.5:1 heads. Honestly been thinking about converting it to e85 just for the boost in octane for a lot cheaper than premium

    • @garyvisser8987
      @garyvisser8987 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Generaider
      Don't let it sit for too long with e85 in it. It goes bad fairly quickly. Let me know how it works out!

  • @N1NJ4K1TT3NNCT
    @N1NJ4K1TT3NNCT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome video, mopar al did a great job on that cage, can’t wait to see the car fly down the track! I’m also loving the solo dolo style of video, gets better every time.

  • @dnmtorp
    @dnmtorp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In the 80's I got a set of 360 J heads for my .60 over 318 ( align bored not honed) and I spent way more than 8 or 10 hours per head cleaning them up. I polished the exhausts but not the intakes. Do you think that polishing added any horsepower or was it just something I wasted my time on?

    • @eric63377
      @eric63377 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My personal opinion. I think you did the right thing. Because on the exhaust side it's mainly going to be exiting. So that would be good to polish and on the intake side that's going to be air and fuel mix but some of the fuel will run down the bottom of the intake runner and if you leave it just ported then it will help the fuel atomize and break apart into many different pieces as it runs down into the combustion chamber.
      When I was 16 I did exactly what you did and I loved those heads. I still have them.

    • @99jeepxjguy97
      @99jeepxjguy97 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      On exhaust side? Yes, well worth it.

    • @nobodynoone2500
      @nobodynoone2500 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe, maybe not. only the dyno knows.

  • @pearldragonz
    @pearldragonz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Reminds me of a set of factory Pontiac 455 heads I had. Never even thought of doing a port job before I got them. When I got these heads it literally looked like they were cast in volcanic cinder. Lots of slag and uneven surfaces. Took them to a mechanic to have them smoothed out. Guy said he got carried away and did what he called a stage 2 port job. Major difference between before and after.

    • @MrTheHillfolk
      @MrTheHillfolk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Hehe I love porting, depending on how bad they are to begin with you'll see it wake up.
      I can't even leave the lawnmower ports alone if I've got it torn down.
      That put some pep in it's step.
      Port everything in the whole frickin world.

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrTheHillfolk Got obsessed with it around 2004 after I had Mamo port a set of Dart Conquest heads forme.
      I could watch him geek out on them for hours on end. Back before the Eliminators were around they were still in pacoima
      Learned quite a bit. Wish Id known about porting back when I was a teen and had lots of musclecars.

  • @bobroberts2371
    @bobroberts2371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Use hearing protection when grinding if you don't want to have constant ringing / damage in later life. !!!

  • @stevengamsby5344
    @stevengamsby5344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you I was having that same thing with my 1973 w-100 318 I’m going to check it out Tomorrow Saturday I ordered new Edelbrock heads for it now I got it look closer when I take it apart thank you

  • @mongosragnarok
    @mongosragnarok 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I remember doing this on the 3.5 v6 in my intrepid some time back, took it from being an sorta ok pulling car, to slamming you back like it was a v8. It’s amazing what a little zen time with a die grinder, heads, and intake can do.

  • @rustybritches6747
    @rustybritches6747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    porting cylinder heads is actually really fun especially if there aluminum cuz you can use sanding rolls instead of big ass hogging burrs and really fine tune every port without having to worry so much about going to crazy with reshaping!

    • @alongjunor7729
      @alongjunor7729 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Right? Sitdown with a grinder and WD40, put your headset with some tune and start the porting job on weekend..what a great moment for yourself..

    • @thelongranger55
      @thelongranger55 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alongjunor7729EXACTLY. Just ported my m113 engine heads

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True...factory castings can be so crappy that minimal work in the right areas can make you look like a hero.
      I cant breathe that dust though that stuff is scary bad for your lungs. Read up on what its made out of.

  • @mikebrown4429
    @mikebrown4429 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m building an AMC 360 . Those heads were very well designed but there is always room for improvement. I did some port detailing on these . I don’t have the engine back together yet but I have great expectations !

  • @toecutterjenkins
    @toecutterjenkins 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do you CC your heads? I would imagine that would be inconsistent as well.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      CC ing chambers is not really important. Getting the flow in and out IS.

  • @shadowhawk320
    @shadowhawk320 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    man I went crazy on my 360 magnum heads. Took out a lot of metal, smoothed everything, made it all swoopy and curvy, and I sharpened the holes that the valves go though. By the way I did this on cracked heads. Had the seats and valves machined by a good shop.
    Now here is where it gets weird. I made a mistake and somehow two of the head bolts didn't tighten down on number one cylinder.
    But those things ran really good when the engine was cold it still had compression and the power was very noticeable. Not hard to do go for it, if you are more careful than me you will make more power and have fun.

  • @The_R-n-I_Guy
    @The_R-n-I_Guy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder what the inside of the LT1 in my 96 Buick Roadmaster sedan looks like. I'd love to get a set of aluminum Corvette/Camaro heads to clean up and put on there.

  • @jumpsuite
    @jumpsuite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had a 318i bought from a junk yard I went to change the intake and as I was looking down the intake ports on it I found flashing in no4 intake port it took up over 1/3 of the port.
    Good thing I went to change that intake .yes I ported it out .

  • @donsteven236
    @donsteven236 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I did a gasket match and bowls and blending like you are Tony. On my 440 i built for my 74 Runner. What a difference. It seriously woke up that motor!

  • @fuji302
    @fuji302 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldn’t say a hot spot is undiagnosable. You did diagnose it with everything you did you just didn’t check for it when you did your first head gasket. That was a teachable moment for you. The biggest gain you should see by removing that little bit of material around the valve is unshrouding them and will allow them to breathe better and gain some percentage of HP.
    Good lesson for those that don’t know about hot spots and carbon knocking (preignition).

  • @rowanbrecknell4021
    @rowanbrecknell4021 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My first port job was a 4.1 ford falcon inline 6. IT could keep up with a 302 v8 ford motor. there is magic in porting. I ported my Royal Enfield bullet. I recon it could do most the race bikes in it's class now. It is just removing the little bits that are made in casting that does not work.

    • @rowanbrecknell4021
      @rowanbrecknell4021 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My royal enfield I can cook it now the body can't handle the head. 145kph not quite the ton

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fun making improvements like that on your own. REal old iron castings can be so bad just cleaning up whats there can make a difference worthwhile. Lots of todays heads or some cnced tough to improve on and worse yet some leave NO metal for you to improve upon without making a hole.

  • @CharlesVanNoland
    @CharlesVanNoland 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They opted to not do the off-road project because Tony has a realization that he's never been an off-road kinda guy, and thus the street-freak gasser project we get to see here. I'm happy about it because I'm not a huge fan of 4-wheeled off-road vehicles unless they're nightmarishly organically-maneuvering robots on legs. Think carnivore predators but mechanical.

  • @Z_732
    @Z_732 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I made it early, very rare for me. But I know this will be legit good stuff because you speak truth. Good vid! (I haven't seen it yet but I know it's gold)

  • @vrm86gt
    @vrm86gt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tony from one Italian to another, Cannoli port! I love it!

  • @rowanbrecknell4021
    @rowanbrecknell4021 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am learning. I love your videos. I just play with little engines but the theory is the same.

  • @pauberrymon5892
    @pauberrymon5892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I remember those dang aggravating sharp edges inside of heads and intakes before myself, and I would always grind them out because when I would be visually checking them by feeling around looking for cracks and such they would cut my finger due to being razor sharp and also didn't want them to breaking off and getting into the cylnders and eating up the piston tops, rings, or cylnder walls. Also I was taught to always be thinking of the next guy that would be working on them which was sometimes me but not always. I've also seen that casting slag inside the head ports like you mentioned and they were everywhere you looked back then. I hated those things because of the time required to get rid of them.
    Another AWESOME video Uncle Tony.

  • @HYDESCRAZY
    @HYDESCRAZY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yea i kinda miss hours of hogging runners down, porting and everything we could do other than 3 or 4 angle valve jobs we send out. We'd grind every corner off of the whole engine,inside n out, no sharp edges for cracking or hotspots ect. Chamfered all oil holes for the easy flow, blueprint and balance everything down to the oil pump rotor tolerances, thinkn about them ole 426 solid hemi electrodes burning up( got buckets of em still,new and annilated..lol) then they came out with dual everything plugs,mags,distributors, and got crazy expensive to win. And to think bout my uncles marking plugs n torkin the spark plugs so they line up exactly according to spark fuel shielding and flame control n checking before heads installed was alien to me,why like wedge plugs design for the street,crazy,what most would laugh,and to think 1 or 2hp is nothing,but hours of ring gapping for another 1hp, lil lower oil weight for another 1hp,it all adds up,when yr working on some1 else's engine and mine is exactly the same so I thought, and they win by a just a lil bit more,you start doin as bossman(dad or uncles) says..lol. I was hard headed chevy guy till I seen the light of the 440 mo power,or mopar.

  • @mtpocketswoodenickle2637
    @mtpocketswoodenickle2637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When making "Rate" was incentivised with additional wages/pay for foundry/factory workers is possibly a reason for slight inconsistencies. This was a very common practice with industries here in Michigan and other rust belt state's.

  • @jamesharris5232
    @jamesharris5232 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    First time head porting myself and easily have 50+ hours into one head off my 429. The other head is going a bit faster now that I'm familiar with the different burrs. Being a C8VE numbers matching engine with heads in my 'Bird, I won't get too much out of the exhaust side. But I can get 300+ cfm on the intake side if done right. 230cfm max on the exhaust side if I really want to go that far. Interesting thing is all the factory Ford 429/460 heads are capable of being ported identically with the same results. Minus the CJ/SCJ since the intake is completely larger. Only difference on the rest is chamber volume differences.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Check out Terry Grovers YT new 460 porting.

    • @jamesharris5232
      @jamesharris5232 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hotrodray6802 his are looking good on the D0VE head. I'm doing mine a little different as apparently according to Scotty Jay (parkland performance the "mad porter"), the early heads actually benefit from the injection rail on the roof and the bolt bulge. But I removed it all before I bought access to that information. Having a hard time finding a dual quad intake for two dominators to top my 429, and with that, I'm up in the air on whether or not I want to open and taper the intake side to the size of the SCJ. With proven flow to come from doing so. Was 30$ or so to get access but it has a lot of information regarding the 385 series heads and other things relating to them.

  • @moparmatt5896
    @moparmatt5896 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Truth I've seen it for myself also

  • @chriswright7710
    @chriswright7710 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank-you Uncle Tony for taking the time to teach, encourage and mostly inspire all of those who are thinking about doing engine work of any sort, especially the extra bits to be done if you want to take your motor to the next level without breaking the bank.

  • @kevincruz4045
    @kevincruz4045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I port my Studebaker heads I'll follow your methods! Building a 259 V8 with an R2 Avanti cam and headers. Thanks!

  • @reallyaintbuynit2018
    @reallyaintbuynit2018 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to have a '65 383. YOU'RE HOPPING UP 516 HEADS???????? SMALL VALVE 516'S????? I can't remember if I still have the heads out there.

  • @redram5150
    @redram5150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My dad talks about his fabled 68 Roadrunner 383 stick he bought while in the Corps. Says it was the fastest bone stock car he ever owned. Only was beaten once drag racing, and that was against a worked 427 Chevelle by a fender. However, he had the engine apart once and everything appeared bone stock. Not even an aftermarket cam. Maybe he benefitted from a freakishly great set of those inconsistent heads.

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There were in fact "Factory freaks" back then seen a few. Modern cars not so much they are all about the same

  • @markcole6475
    @markcole6475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice informative video, I’ve seen a lot of guys ruin heads by doing too much grinding on heads and not know when to stop.

  • @79tazman
    @79tazman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm done messing with factory cast heads there is such bigger gains on a set of aluminum cylinder heads with bigger ports, bigger valves, and less weight and they can be fixed if anything goes on with them the pros are so much better then the cons but depending on the heads they can be expensive but if you want to play you gotta play and by the time your done playing with a set of factory heads your better off buying a set of budget aluminum heads that will outflow any factory head no matter what you do to them

  • @bobwebber6484
    @bobwebber6484 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Using oil with carbide burrs will change your world. Especially with aluminum, oil keeps burrs and stones from gumming up.

  • @michaeledge8905
    @michaeledge8905 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They used to have a process called extrude honing which was a nice way of cleaning the bowls up

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Much more expensive than a grinder and patience.

    • @bobkonradi1027
      @bobkonradi1027 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Last I checked, Extrude Hone still had a website and was still out there.

  • @vincentenk4449
    @vincentenk4449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only thing I'd change would be pull the front wheels inside the fenders. Otherwise it's perfect.

  • @rickpage8147
    @rickpage8147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rebuilt a 440 in the late 90's shit you not i pulled 1.3 lbs of casting sand out of the block. Absolutely blew me away, have not sen anything like that before or since

  • @docfischer7291
    @docfischer7291 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That red looks like the “Sunrise Red” Rustoleum that I have been cutting in prior to painting our Duster . Copy cat ! LoL

  • @Orygunner67
    @Orygunner67 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the old school tech and advice! My dad taught me much in the same manner. Shade tree mechanics 101! I learned quite a few tricks that you've mentioned and some that I've never heard anybody else mention but they work!

  • @frankstephenson1746
    @frankstephenson1746 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mopar big block heads are not that great. Run the Eddy closed chamber aluminums and don’t look back

  • @timwinfield8509
    @timwinfield8509 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't know if this would apply to cast iron heads but back in time I sand blasted a Triumph motorcycle head and got more bottom end out of it than I was ready for. I found out later that micro profiling the walls of the intake, chamber and exhaust caused tiny swirls in the mixture along the outsides of the flow path creating a bearing effect where it would otherwise would have dragged on these surfaces. Have you ever tried this?

  • @1996slamster
    @1996slamster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Narrow that front axle!!!

    • @AtZero138
      @AtZero138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The back spacing on those temp wheels isn't ideal.. UT said other wheels are Coming.. no worries..

    • @1996slamster
      @1996slamster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AtZero138 No rim is going to fix that. The axle needs to be narrowed, plain and simple.

    • @AtZero138
      @AtZero138 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@1996slamster I'm not debating you dude.. it's what Tony told us . I agree it looks wide as F@∅k.. the front wheel would require some maybe odd back spacing.. I'm hoping for the best.. no worries... 🤔 Narrowing the front axle would make for good Content hahaha.. peace

  • @centralbears3010
    @centralbears3010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice video Tony. I do like the informative solo content. Talk about optimal compression ratio sometimes. What is optimal compression for any ICE? What does shaving a head or decking a block really get you? How about thinner head gaskets?

    • @NBSV1
      @NBSV1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Optimal depends on how it will be used. Race gas would mean you can run more compression. But, don’t particularly want to run race gas on the street.
      Ultimately it’s a balancing act. More compression is more power and better response. To much and it’ll spark knock and detonate.
      It also depends on the design of the heads and the engine. Smaller bores can usually get away with more compression.
      So, there is no simple answer. Stock they’re not usually pushing the limits so bumping compression about .5 shouldn’t cause a lot of problems if you run premium. Otherwise it’d take research on a specific combination to decide how far you can go.

  • @duccanard9079
    @duccanard9079 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been doing that for 50+yrs.When some guys say ported and polished when they see it,I say more like clean-up on aisle 5

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha...yes theres a lot of hackwork out there. DId my share as I was learning.
      Sad thing is so many on YT taking peoples money...username depicts an actual business. And they are frigging clueless!

  • @christianmotley262
    @christianmotley262 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've had some 350 Buick heads with all kinds of bad casting mismatching inside, besides having too long of an intake port, the previous era heads for the 300 and 340 V8 were miles ahead on combustion chamber, port, and manifold design. For a street/strip engine I leave the intake manifold ports smaller than the head intake ports, reduces reversion...

    • @cdglasser
      @cdglasser 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, same with the big blocks. The 400/430 had really clean castings with nice intake ports, but the 455s, especially the later year ones, had horribly cast intake ports.

  • @dwaynemedlin8683
    @dwaynemedlin8683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mom had a 78 T-Bird clattered and pinged from day one until she traded it in. 302

  • @rowanbrecknell4021
    @rowanbrecknell4021 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Think of the gas flow. it is in and out. If you are running look for what will stop you. Do you need turbulence?

  • @noisefuljoy
    @noisefuljoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any guess about the gain numbers from this particular clean up?

  • @brucearterbury1856
    @brucearterbury1856 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To my understanding (limited) the body’s serial number doesn’t match the frame serial number. Same thing with the 56 GMC/ Chevy. The cab was replaced years ago. I don’t have a title or Bill of Sale for the cab; only the frame. How do I get this project titled?

  • @cgberz
    @cgberz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Something that could make the channel better: a contrasting pointing tool; red or green or whatnot.

  • @oikkuoek
    @oikkuoek 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That ledge above those exhaust valves in the combustion chamber has no business being there. Removing it won't open the chamber volume, only enhances the flow. The desing idea of that ledge is fuel economy, keeping unburnt fuel inside the chamber for next round. As for the intake ports, there's still cleaning up to do on the "short side" on the hump next to the valve seat. Best done by sand paper, just try not to grind into the seat itself.

  • @markallen1413
    @markallen1413 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey uncle T, do you like Chuck Senatore's book ? I have read that thing a few times and learned a lot from it... just curious buddy, watching all the time and love the shows 👍👍👍👍👍✅✅✅✅✅

  • @vrm86gt
    @vrm86gt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good info UT! I love having a set of burrs and sandpaper rolls on hand for scenarios like this! Just smoothing out the ports on heads, intake manifolds, exhaust manifolds, shoot I even clean up the welds on my headers if there are messy welds and slag hanging into the port flow area. One thing I hear mentioned a lot from professional porters is DON'T lower the floor of the ports, exactly the reason you left the rusty low spots in the 383 heads your working on! You don't want to make that short turn radius any sharper than it has to be.

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct on the floor ,Only very few times when the floor is ok to attack.

  • @johnj2496
    @johnj2496 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man once it's done n got some miles on it a after the traditional races throw some paddles on it and take it to sand drags

  • @pauldulworth2768
    @pauldulworth2768 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Budget horsepower upgrades using inexpensive tools and common sense that anyone can do. OUTSTANDING!

  • @policeofficer94
    @policeofficer94 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don’t you want to leave the intake “rough” !?? To create disturbance for proper even atomization and ignition / combustion!? Exhaust should be as smooth as glass for fastest escape

  • @joegallo9658
    @joegallo9658 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tony, I reworked a set of 906 heads about 20 years ago, you should mention the short turn of the intake, there's power there as I'm sure you know, after the heads were done they flowed 267 on adverage, I spent hours on those heads, with them stock and a 30* back cut, car ran 10.9-11.00, after the port work, I picked up 2-3 tenths and 3-4 MPH.

  • @jacobb6953
    @jacobb6953 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any clue if this will still work on a modern engine with computer controlled fuel/air delivery? Just wondering if doing this might confuse the computer if the airflow parameters differ by a little after porting/detailing

  • @WaybackTECH
    @WaybackTECH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've done the head porting and polishing stuff in my kitchen on the kitchen table which is heavy, big and doubles as a work bench. 10 hours sounds about right to me. A couple hours a night for a week is what I remember spending last time I did it. That may have included new valve seals, springs etc. IF anything, at the very least port match the gaskets, intake side as well, and smoothing the crap out of the bowls. If you don't want to spend 10 hours, do that at least. I did it with a Hobo fright kit with an air grinder and a dremel, variety of grinders and sand paper rolls.

    • @MrTheHillfolk
      @MrTheHillfolk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha that's one of my biggest pet peeves , big ol chunks of metal hanging over a gasket.
      I've gotta at least gasket match that sucker.

    • @99jeepxjguy97
      @99jeepxjguy97 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wife loses her mind when I use the dishwasher to final clean parts, I cannot imagine what would happen if I did porting and such on the kitchen table...

  • @chrishedley5667
    @chrishedley5667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    get your mate David vizard to sort those 383 heads out go tony

  • @MsKatjie
    @MsKatjie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did thanks. the way of the gear head, head porter!!!

  • @bobroberts2371
    @bobroberts2371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Direct Connection used to sell porting templates. These were cut out of plastic sheet. The stem of the template went in the guide and was the shape of the bowl. There were 4 templates to give you 4 positions ( every 45 degrees )

    • @MidnightOilsRestoration
      @MidnightOilsRestoration 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I’d like to have some of those porting templates! I wish someone still made them

  • @thewholls7176
    @thewholls7176 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good on ya uncle Tony slaghammer looks bloody good
    The red roll cage makes the car look like a bloody redback spider…..!!
    This car is proof to my mind that all passenger domestic production cars should have a tilt front end….!!!!
    All the best from Melbourne Australia

  • @gurneyforpresident2836
    @gurneyforpresident2836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every industry seems to have quality control issues like these from time to time. High production quotas, workers taking their jobs for granted and only showing up for a pay check.
    Great info on this subject.

  • @unclesquirrel6951
    @unclesquirrel6951 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Personally I blame squirrels

  • @twistidclowns
    @twistidclowns 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The car is still in bits and has already been called out🤣

  • @clutchkicker392ison5
    @clutchkicker392ison5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Long live the 'wednesday' motor !!

  • @troyzeigler5622
    @troyzeigler5622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    slag hammer is looking awesome

  • @scottersandman6408
    @scottersandman6408 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i had a pontiac 301 that would ping under just about any load. didn't matter what i did. must be what you describe.

  • @trevnerdhubbabubba6230
    @trevnerdhubbabubba6230 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video. I'm in the process of building a hotrod. A lot of these videos have been very helpful in this. Thanks Tony! Don't stop the great content!

  • @creativerecycling
    @creativerecycling 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I gasket matched and detailed a pair of heads for a Ford Ranger V6 one time, it was astonishing how much flashing was blocking the airflow coming across the bowl. Just cleaning up the heads made a huge difference in how the vehicle ran.

    • @flyinnphilini3136
      @flyinnphilini3136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah bro .!!

    • @flyinnphilini3136
      @flyinnphilini3136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah BRO 👍

    • @flyinnphilini3136
      @flyinnphilini3136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My b2 v6 can put run any v6

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@flyinnphilini3136 Uh, no it wont .Any can include a lot of variables.

  • @brokentoolgarage
    @brokentoolgarage 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video! I consider that just plain good engine building techniques. A good cleanup to fix the manufacturing mistakes.

  • @spudthompson1414
    @spudthompson1414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The heads you got looks like the 67 and older closed chamber!

    • @MidnightOilsRestoration
      @MidnightOilsRestoration 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      66’(516’s), the 67’(915’s) are the best. I’ve ran both of those closed Chamber castings and in my opinion they both beat the (906’s) on the street. Everyone says the 906’s flow the most and maybe on the top end it could be true but the closed chamber castings are way better in my opinion. Racers from the era claimed that swapping from the open chambered (906, 452, 346) to the (516, 915)closed chambered heads would pick up a full second in the quarter, and I believe it!

  • @morelanmn
    @morelanmn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tony, You will need to produce more than one book.

  • @nobodynoone2500
    @nobodynoone2500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The cheap burrs work decent on aluminum. Just keep em cleaned out. It's iron that tears em up fast.
    Also, I know many a builder that epoxies in the low spots, and even to change the shape of runners, but prep is critical.
    Do with that what you will.

    • @nobodynoone2500
      @nobodynoone2500 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      One guy just said they use different epoxy for aluminum and iron, to match the thermal expansion rate, so it doesn't crack over time.

  • @michaelgarrow3239
    @michaelgarrow3239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You need a porting for dummies.
    I have to have a clue. 😵‍💫

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jafromobile has like an hour long nonstop talk video about it

  • @johnnymula2305
    @johnnymula2305 ปีที่แล้ว

    About how much HP gain can be made gasket matching and cleaning up ports? I’m getting an Edelbrock Performer RPM and AFR heads for my 67 Cougar with a Factory 390. I believe these parts combined with the correct cam with roller conversion, a set of JBK tri y headers should get me in the 425 HP and 500-525 FT Torque range. (Hopefully) im also converting to a Tremek 6 Speed with 3.73 gearing. Im not building a 1/4 mile car. Im building a GT touring.