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Happy Star Wars day! The original Star Wars trilogy was groundbreaking for its special effects, its world building, its action, and so, so much more. But if you ask George Lucas, it isn't the action, nor the performances, or even the dialogue itself that ultimately carries the story of Star Wars. It is, fundamentally, John Williams' iconic score that carries Star Wars, even without dialogue. By that notion, Lucas compares Star Wars to silent movies, which didn't depend on dialogue to move and entertain. Today we'll look at some of the ways one can experience the Star Wars films... a little differently.
I make reference to two other video essays in this video. The first is called "How Does An Editor Think and Feel?" by Every Frame a Painting, specifically starting at around the three and a half minute mark. I cannot recommend this video enough: • How Does an Editor Thi...
The other is called "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" by RocketJump: • How Star Wars was save...
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-Ken Films Star Wars 8mm reel footage (color): • Star wars on super8
-Ken Films Star Wars 8mm reel footage (b&w): • Star Wars The 8mm Ken ...
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"no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid" please keep this title. it made me chuckle and click the video!
@@Venzynt stop negging.
@@thegoodgeneralagreed. DB is the best.
"you say you're a Star Wars fan but you don't even watch it in the original Japanese dub."
Have you seen the Italian version
The only way I can get through Episode 3 is if I watch the badly translated into Chinese and then back into English sub or dub of Backstroke of the West.
I view it as it's meant to be seen, in the original Klingon.
@@KameronJ7 I see you are a man of culture as well.
It' s somehow dry.....and coarse. I don't like it.
"Star Wars isn't about the dialogue."
Yeah, we noticed George.
😂 for real though the only movie with great dialogue is ep 5
Accurate 😂
@@hylianrowhich George had almost nothing to do with.
@@russianoverkill3715 exactly that's why I said that
Episode IV had tons of memorable lines. Episode V too. Ep I II III VII are just pathetic.
Star Wars fans can argue about the dialogue, about characters about CGI and the screenplays. But all Star Wars fans universally love John Williams‘ music.
Absolutely. Even the worse movies like prequals or the ones he did in the sequal trilogy the music is still top notch
yes. thank the Maker they didn't go for a 70's disco track
Well, I remember a little heated discussion on Giacchino's work for Rogue One back when it premiered... But aside from that, yeah, universal agreement.
Except the people who say he's just a very clever ripoff artist, for writing too close to his influences.
@@babababad No “ripoff-artist” would ever be allowed near the Vienna philharmonic orchestra let alone conduct them, playing his own music.
That's what makes the old Lego games so great...following the slimmed down story beats without any dialogue and a touch of slapstick humor make for an iconic and timeless game!
Be careful that you remove the inherent bias just about we all possess for already seeing these movies countless times and preemptively knowing the scenes before they happen. To truly appreciate what a silent SW film is, it is incumbent upon us to beseech someone who has no previous SW film viewing experience
I actually liked to say the dialogue from the movies when playing the Lego games, I immited each character's voice, including females.
@@TactileTherapy did you just learn what a thesaurus is
@@Jeremy-ot6pb Definitely a bot
can you shush? @@TactileTherapy
There is this interview with Harrison Ford where he admits that, in the beginning, he and the others weren't taking Lucas and the movie very seriously... Then there was this music recording, or test screening, the first 20 minutes of the movie with the orchestra
"And we understood we were actually part of something great, and we never made fun of George again"
"And we understood we were actually part of something great, and we never made fun of George again"
Why not both? :D
Makes sense though, because Sci-Fi films were mostly kids films or very low budget TV shows back then, and I'd imagine to them it would be like filming for a new Spy Kids movie in 2024. Star Wars was cutting edge for its time thanks to George and his team.
Ford and Hamill have been making fun of George for years. Although I think affectionately.
@@Simpson17866 because they understood its value? what do you mean
@@ZeroShaneBob Star Wars is still cutting edge. None of the modern special effects beat it.
On silent films: I remember once reading about the international popularity of Mr Bean, as language just isn't relevant to the gags.
You know, once Charles Chaplin met and praised Benny Hill.
Can confirm, most people here might not know a single word in english and still recognize him inmediately
When the teddy bear lost its head, I felt that
When I was in Nepal, I found a Mr. Bean video game at a stall that sold pirated games. Didn't even know Mr. Bean had a video game.
@@DivineEternalOne I hope you bought it.
This is why Genndy Tartakovsky was perfectly chosen to make the original animated Clone Wars. From Samurai Jack (or even from some Dexter episodes) you could already tell he understood Kurosawa-style storytelling.
Tartakovsky made Jedi Council actually feel like it's comprised of the most skilled Jedi masters and who all discuss problems, not just Yoda and Mace Windu.
Makes sense. His newer series Primal is done completely without dialogue, save the occasional grunts and roars.
@@Christian-ri2uf but when it does have dialogue it's still great, loved that modern day episode about those scientists.
There's very little dialog in that series.
Hot take this was the superior Clone Wars. It fits so much better between episodes 2 and 3 and doesn’t really retcon anything. Not to mention you can watch it all in one sitting lol
Imagine a black and white edit of Star Wars, but the light sabers are in colour
I watch that.
There was a SW Visions episode (called The Duel) on D+ that had the sabers and blaster fire alone in color. It was intentionally made to resemble the visual style of the Kurosawa films. I recommend seeing it!
Ah yes... The Schindler List approach
@@AstralLass469 I just watched the Japanese dub of this after reading your comment and it's one of the sickest things I've ever seen, thank you
Ooh that'd be cool
I was born 1980 - I have an auditory processing disorder so it was years before I saw it with captions and understood even half the dialog. I didn’t realize I loved original Star Wars so much because it was essentially a silent film.
This helps explain why the prequels are so endlessly meme-able. The prequels have a straightforward visual clarity that, even devoid of context - perhaps from the point of view from someone who has never even seen them, is still crystal clear. Then by adding humorous text (not unlike a subtitle or silent movie text card), these memes are able to convey so much information with just one or a few simple images.
In a similar vein, this video compares the dialogue to Lucas' sound effects. "King of Wooden Dialogue" th-cam.com/video/S5E-eSdRjXs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tS7jvPZvAJrgykwi
You could argue that too with Sam Raimi 'Spider-Man trilogy, it's so memeable, it's a contemporary of the prequels.
Huh, I never thought of it like that. It makes sense that you can meme it because you can get the point across so many different ways with just four photos of two people.
I really appreciate Lucas's purity in terms of direction and writing. Naturality is so underrated compared to how pretentious films often are nowadays, like Dune or EEAAO.
It’s memable because they have stupid dialogue and are bad films not because they’re good
Imagine "no I am your father" without the dialogue.
Opera is actually an interesting analogy. Similar ideas of minimal dialog, and mostly emotions are expressed through music, often with words in another language.
Even Lucas called it a space opera, and a soap opera.
Fascinating video, but I would suggest that Ben Burtt's sound design is almost as much a part of the audible legend of Star Wars as John Williams' music. Maybe you could experience the movie without DIALOGUE, but definitely not without SOUND.
When I was less than 10 years old, we had this DVD with Attack of the Clones at home. We used to watch it over and over with my younger brother and it was one of our favourite movies.
We're Polish and the DVD was in English, which we barely spoke or understood at the time.
Same, I'm Scanian Swedish, I didn't understand anything they said in Star wars, Lord of the rings or Titanic lol. But I understood the story, even though I didn't speak english I understood what was happening and I think it affected me.
As a result, when I watch movies as an adult, it matters far more to me what the emotions of the characters are, the tone of their voice, the music, the scenery, the expressions, what they say doesn't matter nearly as much. Yet I still fully appreciate the story lol.
I noticed about eight years ago that you can tell A LOT about a movie (which cast members in a movie are getting along, Whether the leads have any chemistry, how good the Cinematography is good or not.) by simply WATCHING THE FILM WITHOUT THE SOUND ON.
It has been an educating experience.
I unintentionally realize this every time I am at big get together (Usually some holiday family get together) and the TV has a random movie on, but the sound is muted. There have been countless films that I just can't watch muted. However, there are a few that I can just sit and watch with no sound. If those movies have good scores, you can bet that they are probably fantastic films.
@@blodhthringa Agreed.
I recently took a peek at my personal movie collection and found the dualist (1977) and decided to take a peek at it.
It was TWENTY MINUTES before I realized how much time had passed.
I realized later that even if the sound had been off, THE RESULT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME.
that's how good the movie is.
The Kurosawa re-edit of Star Wars is a genius idea...
It really isn’t.
Anyone know where you can watch the whole thing?
So someone made and put it in post on reddit. I just did a web search for kurosawa re-edit of star wars and it came up
@empatheticrambo4890 It's actually insulting to the legacy of Kurosawa.
@@leikeylosh how do you mean?
Rewatching "The Phantom Menace" in theaters yesterday just made me appreciate William's genius even more. The ending victorious music being a remix of Palatines theme (hinting at who really won), subtly putting in some of Vader's theme in Annie's theme ("The ending credits theme" is a good way to hear annie's theme in full), and of course "Duel of the Fates".
The sound editing in that movie is amazing. I rewatched it with the stereo on, and wow, the amount of detail from podracer uniqueness and foreshadowing melodic memes, makes it a great storytelling. Lucas did a good job story telling seperately in a visual, music (auditory), and dialogue ways.
Darth jar jar being removed from subsequent episodes was the buggest mistake George ever made. That would have been the best "if you go back and look," reveals
@@LethinGabbins The "darth Jar Jar" thing is a myth. George described him as inspired by Goofy
@snazzle9764 yea, but there is lots of e idence in episode 1 as well as being palps go to.
Jar jar was the reason the senate voted to give Palpatine emergency powers.
Jar jar was replaced by doku out of nowhere.
@@LethinGabbins jar jar isn't the reason lol, he's only the one proposing that to the senate..
Silence is one of the most powerful tools in cinema. There's a reason why great directors like Dennis Villeneuve favorite other aspects of cinematic communication over dialogue.
The whole movie should be Black and White But the Lightsabers being Red and Blue. That would be amazing
Man the OG Lego Star Wars games were *so* good, in fact they were such exceptional games that when they added spoken dialogue to the newer releases I was really sad. I get that they wanted to innovate and stick with the times, and there are lots of great moments in the newer ones too, but the originals were *so* clever and funny and some of the gags to get around zero dialogue were amazing
Adding dialog to move with the times is bs. It just means we want to save time and money by using less nuance and expertise. Probably because the money people are talking louder than the experts.
@@stevecarter8810 Not sure you are making sense. It'd cost a lot more money to hire a bunch of voice actors than a few animators to make silent scenes. The issue IMO is that the budgets for video games is out of control, and everything has to be the "biggest ever" with Hollywood actors, and huge worlds with tons of collectibles, and $40 DLCs. It's hard for a AAA game to be made with any passion when there's shareholders breathing down a studios neck that has 400 plus people, who BTW, all have their own ideas for how a game should be made.
"The times" don't really have much to do with it. Not like a game full of non-dialogue was "the times" when Lego star wars first came out either.
When they started adding actual voice lines to Lego Games, the magic was lost. For the original Police game, that's fair because it's an original story, but for movie games like Star Wars...I haven't gotten any recently
You can actually turn the dialog off
The latest, Skywalker Saga game, has an option in the menu to turn on mumble mode, which is what they call the old dialogue style.
Switching the dialog to mumble mode doesn't fix the problem though, they changed how they adapt the scenes to include the dialog in order to understand the story, removing it leaves an obvious dialog shaped hole. I remember feeling so disappointed when I played the Skywalker Saga and the story was just so boring compared to my memories of the original games.
The dialog existing at all ruins it, whether it's been turned off or not.
@@xipheonj I actually didn't know that, but now that you say it it makes total sense. I picked up Skywalker Saga back when it came out, never actually got around to trying it. I guess the pacing of cutscenes is based around the dialogue being there, and the sheer amount of work required to make the mumble mode a true classic option would be too much.
That's really a shame, then. Less time for slapstick jokes and gags!
Just be honest and say you outgrew them. It's OK to not be a child anymore.
Your essay made me realize that I never truly grasped how Star Wars is a Space *Opera*. The way you built things up, demonstrating everything that is told and shown by everything else but dialog, ending on those Japanese-dubbed b&w versions, and dropping the term like the cherry on top... it made it click. Thank you.
“Reach out…with your feelings”
The lengths people will go to not think about anything but a handful of topics is astounding.
"i don't speak Japanese, i took 3 years of it in High School and remember nothing"
that is me but with Spanish lmao
I'm venezuelan, I could teach you, it's very simple compared to japanese.
lo siento
oh my dear french class... I can barly remember you
I took German from 7th grade all the way thru my junior year of college. That’s 9 years. It’s been 6 years since then and I lost the vast majority of it. A second language is like a muscle, you NEED to flex it frequently and treat it like exercising. If you don’t, it will wither away in a heartbeat.
When it comes to second languages, use it or lose it.
If you don't have anyone to speak that second language to in your daily or at least weekly life, it may be a pointless endeavor to learn in the first place, unless you will keep yourself practiced.
Am I the only one who really likes that purple fuzzy dress that Padme wears in episode 3 when Odi wan reveals Anakin had gone evil?
It makes so much sense that Gendy Tartakovsky got tapped to direct the 2003 clone wars animated shorts. He’s one of the all time greats as far as directing cartoons with little to no dialogue.
John Williams and Marcia Lucas are responsible for so much of what Star Wars is
7:44 My favourite Kurosawa film.
😂
Truly one of his finest.
I was not prepared for the Japanese dub in the last third lol
the best scene in all of star wars for me is the moment where Anakin is quietly reflecting on his choice in revenge of the sith when he's sat in the temple looking out towards Padme's estate
"quiet film" are always really good. Minimize dialogue but still allow just enough exposition to clear up what's going on.
Star Wars without dialogue is the main way it DOES work. I mean, look at the scene at sunset where Anakin is in the Jedi Temple staring out across the horizon towards Padme's apartment, wondering if he should betray Palpatine or the Jedi.
Episode 3 is a close second to Empire for the best Star Wars film, and it has the best suite of music by a mile. That one scene (Anakin's Anguish I believe it's officially titled) proves categorically that Hayden Christensen is a good actor and Lucas a good director.
If you watch it silently you'll miss such great lines like:
"I don't like sand..."
Whats wrong with that line?
Think of the context: Anakin has been taught to be a stoic monk for the past 10 years, then he is reintroduced to his lifetime long crush and theyre in a romantic setting. He is socially awkward with his crush, something alot of us can relate to.
@@jaaxlo His 8 years on Tatooine, his male influences were his slave owner and freighter pilots (space truckers). The very first thing he said to Padme was "Are you an angel?". Socially awkward indeed.
@@jaaxlo "It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth."
*KISS*
Yeah, great writing.
I wish they'd reused this line in Dune.
Since Star Wars basically stole everything from Dune anyway, maybe Dune could steal this idiocy back. Or maybe not. Yeah definitely not.
This is silly.
@@Albtraum_TDDC you have an actual argument or are you just gonna whine?
@@thatHARVguy wasn't he like 9 years old at the time? That's not socially awkward time, that's adorable time.
This is all good but if the films were actually silent, I think the "Leia's my sister" line would be lost on me considering the visual context around it.
a big part of my job is to localize movies & tv for major streaming platforms, and one of my FAVORITE things to do is create a japanese dub. doesn't matter what the content is, it always makes it 10x better
I like the idea of watching them as a black and white film. Also maybe that is why some of the more cheesy dialogue never annoyed me.
Tbh, a lot of the dialogue sounds better in the mexican/latin american dub of the movies, especially for the prequels, even Darth Vader's voice sounds pretty idéntical to James Earl Jones.
As you say, maybe that's why the dialogue never bothered me.
Sometimes I like to _mess_ a little with saturation while watching in my laptop, and let me tell you... No one is ready for B&W Blade Runner 2049
Many more transform amazingly well too
Which is why Lucas doesn’t care if a lot of the time, the dialogue he writes doesn’t resemble how humans talk.
Well Tarantino dosnt know how actual humans talk either, but nobody seems to bother him about it 😂
i wanted to see star wars scenes without dialogue, but this is star wars with a voice over
7:48 Without colour, Anakin looks like a dark spot surrounded by light
Many children watch videos over and over.
I listened to the Star Wars score LPs over and over as a child. On my parents' four-channel hi-fi. I had it memorized.
...This is also what made the Lucasfilm video games of the 80s so great. X-Wing shifted the themes around as the battles shifted. You knew you were doing well when the Rebel theme rushed through your Soundblaster and announced your relief ships arriving.
Take away: Star Wars is one big music video
I acrually remember liking the music already before I even watched the films, also I played Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga and then watched it.
"Space Opera" Lucas says this all the time
That’s a totally different statement. You missed the point of the video
Good one
@@Grant-Shillings the video point is that it’s like silent movie not movie without sound.
Obi-Wan:” “
Anakin:” “
Backstroke of the West remains the definitive Star Wars edit.
I have to give it to Lucas. He knew dialogue was his weakest skill in crafting a story, so he worked around it by hiring who would become one of the greatest composers of the century.
I was just thinking about this exact idea on my last rewatch, I've always loved the "silent" moments in Star Wars like when Leia and Wicket are about to be shot at by a stormtrooper and you just hear the "silence" of the forest. I was wondering if some passionate editor could be paid to edit Star Wars to remove all dialogue but keep the sound design, so thanks for giving me this glimpse.
Actually it'd be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
I exaggerate, but there is a (free) program that utilizes deep learning algorithms to separate vocals from music. I haven't tried it to see if it works with sound effects as well, but it probably would.
The program is called UVR, btw (Ultimate Vocal Remover).
Some people say that all movies should be this clear with the sound turned off. The problem is not every plot nor every part of life operates this way.
The music and the cinematography of how the scenes are filmed are what give the Original Trilogy its power.
"I don't like dialogue" - Denis Villeneuve
"Star Wars films are silent movies, though!!!" - George Lucas
They're literally on the same line.
David Lynch has entered the chat....
@@phillipemery572 th-cam.com/video/PALjbTo1D5U/w-d-xo.html
Nice connection. I've watched Dune part one on mute and it was still incredible
Tenet is also a silent movie? *Runs for cover*
Dunkirk is as well
As Patrick Willems said, it's a "vibes movie"
Given that you can't hear any of the dialogue anyway, you'd hope so.
Love the OG Lego games shout-out. They were pure magic that was lost as soon as they started putting in dialog
Star Wars is a sci-fi series that focuses on elaborate special effects, sets, costumes & models, so yeah, it could totally work with the most minimum dialogue or the characters looking at papers and items that drive the plot (a printout titles Death Star Design Weakness before the Yavin battle, etc.)
4:03 unrelated but I just realized this is mirroring Padme taking care of kid Anakin when he left Tatooine (or more like that scene was mirroring this, but because it's a prequel it's really the siblings having echoes of their parents and... forget it)
My grandmother used to play the piano in Louisiana during the silent film days... She always used to exclaim "Weeeeeeeeeeee!" and it was that passion that she used to play the piano. When I was a youth, I accidentally VHS recorded "The Sting" in black and white. I was initially saddened, but 4 minutes into the film, it really went well, so well, that I watched the movie several times in that de-colorization. I have seen the film a couple more times in its original color, and it is NOT the same...
Negative space is a major element of art. In film, negative space takes on a very different form than it does in static art like paintings or ceramics. Absence of color, music, sound, or dialogue is negative space in film, and it almost always enhances the impact.
Godzilla Minus One is another great example of how a black and white version can be even more effective than full color. It's an excellent movie both ways, but the black and white cut feels so much more impactful because of the character's history.
Meanwhile the Disney movies require many dialogues just to explain a great many things.
No one has ever said Lucas doesn't know how to set a scene. He just can't write dialogue
The first Star Wars was not "saved" in the edit, that theory was long debunked. Even Marcia herself said that was not the case .
The story was more that Fox had a editor on the movie that started to work on the movie while Lucas and Crew were not even done shooting the thing.
While Lucas was in London shooting the Tantive IV stuff, John Jympson was doing a cut of the movie without the directors feedback, since he was on the other side of the planet.
There was no music, no vfx and placeholders were used.
That was the notorious cut that shooked everybody, including Lucas directors friends. Lucas fired that man and brought in his wife and two pals from his old USC buddy Walter Murch.
They started working on that movie (with Lucas as a uncredited editor) and the whole editing process took them (including the time of the previous editor) 14 months.
Empire Strikes Back was also edited for 14 months. Not my words these are from Paul Hirsch, who worked on Star Wars and Empire, himself.
But nobody said it was saved in the edit.
I recommend the Making of Book by JW Rinzler from each of the OT movies. They are incredible, with so much details about how these movies got made.
That's interesting and makes more sense to be honest. Better than "he made two good movies but was fucking up his passion project until...." story that was being told over and over.
Yeah, see I had remembered that story getting debunked, too. But then when I was working on this video I couldn’t find where I’d seen that, so I thought I must’ve been making it up that it’d been. Guess I should’ve gone with my gut.
@@CinemaStixyour recent community post had many comments arguing this and posting links to the amazing video by Nerdonymous.
@@thegoodgeneral I was making a comment about this, but deleted it now seeing this thread here.
For anyone reading and not wanting the watch the video: _How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit (sort of, but not really),_ by Nerdonymous, the biggest fabrication in it was the claim that the Death Star sequence at the end didn't have a time limit of the Death Star blowing up the rebel base until the edit (which is debunked by shooting scripts), and RocketJump try to place Marcia on a pedestal for her editing while also shitting on the deleted Tatooine scenes of Luke and friends, which she had edited and liked, and Lucas didn't even want to film in the first place (only doing so because the studio didn't have confidence to not introduce the main character a.s.a.p.).
On the other hand, Nerdonymous' video is great and filled with info pulled from Making of Star Wars books and gives a lot of behind the scenes insights. Also has a pair of videos Star Wars Apocrypha that cover some lore and behind the scenes of sequels production and is great nerd juice.
Ah, brilliant! Well, it seems my curse that there always seems to be one error in every video that could’ve been avoided by the change of a single line. I was dealing in outdated intel-very bad practice :) I’ll fix it in next year’s compilation and find a way to redirect people accordingly on this one-or hopefully this thread will just rise to the top naturally.
I guess that’s why Star Wars is a space Opera. In opera, the words are secondary to the music (unlike musicals where the music is secondary to the lyrics). Star Wars is an Opera because the story and the plot are driven by the music!
it works so well even without dialogue
I have always felt that the dialogue was almost an afterthought and genuinely didn't notice that some of the lines were absurd until pointed out, because I sort of phased it out of my mind a little.
The clip of Williams conducting the main title is so captivating: the couple dozen faces in the background, all rapt, all revealing some different-visceral!-reaction to hearing that brass fanfare. Some swept away in it, others resting deep within themselves, in the place where they first heard it, others reveling in the almost ironic mimesis the theme has taken on in the last five decades. Fifty different reactions, all recognizable, all relatable.
the people who can't help but have little grins are my favorite
One of the best concerts I've seen, I wish I saw it live, well, any John Williams concert for that matter.
@@jesustovar2549 I don't know where you live, but if you can make it to Los Angeles, John Williams does a live show at the Hollywood Bowl every summer.
I heard the Toronto symphony orchestra perform the main title once and tears were instantly streaming down my face, it felt like my heart was in my throat and I couldn't wipe the smile from my face, it was incredible.
This made me realize, I'd actually like to see a modern movie made with no dialogue, as a sort of challenge to the director to see how much story they can still get across. And none of these old time pauses for slides with text either, just no words anywhere in the film.
Imagine not having the leaked 70% VFX screener of Revenge of the Sith. That is the only way to watch that film and it is glorious. Less cgi filler stuff, more music,and longer shots of humans showing emotion. It’s like watching a memory of a movie it’s beautiful
Dude. Every video you make is just so well done. Thanks for posting!
Thanks for watching!
:)
Smart decision to upload this on may the 4th
Why
@Tonyo-man May the 4th be with you.
All the films are silent, except for 'I am your father'.
Now that would be a gut-punch
You can't talk about "Star Wars" as if everything "Star Wars" is one cohesive whole. There is A New Hope and then there is... everything else.
The X-Wing / TIE Fighter games also had dynamic midi music during the missions which changed based on the events happening (enemy ship destroyed, mission goals achieved, etc.).
Oh, yes! Lucasfilm held the *patent* to video games using shifting thematic music matching the pacing of the player and scripted actions.
It's called iMUSE. LucasArts used it in many games, but it was incredibly effective in the X-Wing series.
7:43 It's like switching to Kurosawa Mode in Ghosts of Tsushima
On Disney+ there is actually a score-only version of The Last Jedi, and it's crazy good to watch it this way
This is why Star Wars will never be the same again.
inb4 the title inevitably changes from "no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid"
What does it mean?
@@mrtnhrng So I love the channel, and the guy is genuinely insightful, but he always uploads with a really provocative clickbait title (to boost views at the beginning) and then changes them after a day or two.
The video was posed yesterday as "no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid" and, predictably, has now changed to "star wars without music doesn't work very well."
@@AdamFunk Thanks! Tbh, I had to google "mid"... xD
@@mrtnhrng Ope, jk, now it's changed to "when the movie still works without dialogue" a few hours later. Lmao.
That's three titles in two days.
@@AdamFunkyeah, he does it quite a bit....but its not as if others dont do a similar thing, and I understand why he does it. Trialing the videos is important. Regardless, his videos are good and the titles always lead to what the video is about, so I don't mind 😊
Why does this video have the ability to play with a pop out player, while every other video on TH-cam doesn’t? Is it doing this for anyone else?
Because you opened it from the opera browser maybe?
Pop out player works for me. Copyright music is the only thing that I've found to not allow the pop out.
I’m opening it from the TH-cam app on my phone, are you doing the same? I’ve never seen a TH-cam video with pop out play on the phone, but think it would be amazing if it was the norm.
8:44 Mustafar has never looked so cold. Kinda neat.
Fittingly, I was listening with this video playing in the background. But even then, when you said there's really only one way to watch Star Wars as a silent film I could tell by the sound that it was Lego Star Wars. And you are 100% correct.
I am the biggest Star Wars fan/nerd/lover and I always learn something new whether from watching one of the shows or movies again, or seeing a video like this. Super insightful and enlightening, thank you very much. This just helped me understand Star Wars more deeply as well as appreciate it even more. It genuinely is the greatest franchise of all time and I think George Lucas’ movies should be watched by all forever!
Thumbnail changes more than I change my underwear.
I only change my underwear once a week.
In order to work, Williams will have to create an orchestral arrangement of the Cerveza Cristal ad.
It's odd because I agree the dialogue is very clunky, yet, it was some amazing lines. "Who's more the fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?" is a great "wise man" type line. Then there's the obvious catchphrases, so I can't say I'd want it as a silent film, but can't say it's a flowing film as far as dialogue.
holy, I left the tab open and got 3 different title lol
"Why star wars dialogue was mid" or smth along the line
"Do you agree with George Lucas?" or smth along the line
And now "he said it's basically a silent movie"
I'm not complaining, just glad I managed to witness it
(EDIT) : "no wonder the dialogue in star wars is so mid", there is it, it's back
This video serves as one of the best reminders of what we lost.
What have we lost?
Meaningful, iconic, thematic, and dramatic cinema that values normalcy, wonder, family, and silence
Acting without dialogue is definitely a skill every actor should have. Certainly more than seem to value it today.
7:44 *anime star wars INTENSIFIES !*
HE'S TOO POWERFUL TO BE LEFT ALIVE !!
This... made me respect the films and their impact in a whole new way. IF I could do my life over, I would have focused on music. Part of the reason is because of the subtle way that Lucas used music in this--has impacted why I gravitated towards music at all, in the first place.
Audience: Your dialogue sucks, George
George: (*adjusts glasses🤓) Ummm... ACKtuallyy (*nudges John Williams)
John Williams: (*sigh) YYYYYEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee
I can't tell you how many times my brother and I have played the entirety of Lego Star Wars on our Game Cube in a full day since we didn't have a memory card. Definitely the all-time best way to re-experience Star Wars
Lucas really went back on himself with "these are silent films" by making the prequels basically dialog only for 99% of the running time.
The Kurosawa re-edit of the Prequels made the dialogue...easier to understand.
Love your channel.
under sand?
@@Music--ng8cd Why would you say something so evil? brb gotta take out this sudden burst of anger on a few unsuspecting kids
@@BlazinInfernape They'll kick your ass
loss pfp lmao
I've felt like George's dialogue is the way it is because it's based on old Japanese movies.
It's nice to see more people, over thee past few years, actually understanding and discussing George's artistic vision. His vision is one of the things that Disney will never replicate.
The difference between what most people think and the actuality is that Disney shouldn't try. They should be exploring the space, not trying to emulate a singular vision. That's what made Last Jedi interesting (I'm not commenting on whether it was good or bad or whether it succeeded or not.) Johnson was starting to explore beyond the boundaries of OG Star Wars and it made so many folks uncomfortable. It is also why early Mandalorian is so successful. While it isn't *exactly* Star Wars, it is adjacent enough to still feel like Star Wars while not just being a rip off.
@@just_gut Nah. Johnson was purposely trying to undermine the core philosophies and characters. That's why people hated it. Plus it was just a trash story regardless of the SW backdrop.
Everything SW now is just fan fiction, and like most fan fiction, it's pretty bad with a sprinkling of mediocrity tossed in. It's just a corpse being leeched by vultures unworthy of the IP. If they at least stayed true to the universe's core concepts and could tell good stories it would be ok, but that's too much to ask these days.
@@just_gut The issue with The Last Jedi is it basically took a big dump on everything Force Awakens set up. Johnson should have made his own solo film separate from the Sequel Trilogy. Disney and Lucasfilm also should have had an entire rough draft of a story built up with a start and finish to give the Directors guidance on where the films were going. They rushed all the movies out, and didn't plan ahead, and we ended up with a bunch of crap.
@@just_gut I knew as soon as you mentioned The Last Jedi in anything other than a totally negative light that all of the responses to your comment would focus entirely on that. And lo and behold...
It's such a challenge to have engaging and polite discourse in the Star Wars fandom these days, but I very much respect your effort for trying. I think you've hit the nail on the head with your assessment: Disney's greatest strength is having the financial flexibility, resource pool, and an entire industry's worth of creatives at their disposal in order to tell any number of different stories in the Star Wars universe. Projects like Andor, The Last Jedi, The Mandalorian, and Visions highlight how much room their is to play within the Star Wars sandbox; with creators being given freedom to tell stories which have never been told before in the medium of Star Wars.
The Force Awakens, while successful, is about as much a carbon copy of A New Hope as you could possibly get; and I think it's emblematic of the greater issue that Disney is struggling with when it comes to finding success in their Star Wars storytelling: an overwhelming inability to take creative risks.
People loved Star Wars because of George Lucas' vision for the story. Why not continue to carry on that legacy by giving new creatives the freedom and control they need in order to tell their own stories in the universe? (Plus, when there's enough different types of Star Wars out there, for enough different groups of people, the loud and annoying voices of negativity in the fandom get a whole lot quieter when single projects don't have the impossible responsibility of trying to please everyone).
Disney fundamentally does not understand Star Wars. They are no different from the legions of fanboys who only engage with the very surface level elements of the story. The action, the explosions, the actors and the aesthetics. Disney doesn't care about the ideas that made Star Wars so compelling any more than the fanboys do. The only difference is that Disney wants to use its purchased assets as a vehicle to push their own message and the fanboys want to see more of what they've always seen.
Lucas did the action, Williams did the music, they forgot to hire a dialog guy.
Honestly it is one of the reasons Star Wars is so appealing to younger audiences. Even if you don’t understand what the characters are talking about, you can still move through the story
Thanks for bringing those old b/w reels to light! I don't think this is common knowledge.
I didn't knew about it either, first atrempt of home media, imagine playing the soundtrack LP while the movie is playing in your wall.
I'm so glad I found your channel, you're a kindred cinephile and this is a brilliant essay.
So glad you did too!
I first saw Star Wars on Super-8! It's so cool to see you acknowledge it, I would love for those cuts to be made available again!
i personally love the dialouge in the prequels
Music themed for a movie characters scenes is why I luv SYFY CHILDREN OF DUNE Brian Tylor Soundtrack 💯 times over Hans ether blasting background non music for Denis DUNEs
first title was better
Agreed!
It's just a normal thing for the algorithm
Hard to argue that the film still makes sense without dialogue when we've all watched them a dozen+ times/
7:04 That guy in the bottom right is low-key grooving