Defect Detection in 3D Printing with Ai Build
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2022
- Defecting defects at the industrial scale is CRAZY. Ai Build is able to detect defects in a print AT THE NOZZLE.
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So it's finally happened. Someone finally put in the effort to try and put a sensor at the nozzle to prevent issues after the extruder. My current printer is down because it fails at the nozzle, where I can't stop it until too late
Most of the beginners struggle with this because of cheap printers and misinformation in the 3D community. With a year of experience and engineering knowledge I could turn my $140 ender 2 pro into a reliable hobby workhorse with spending about $7 for parts. There is no point to give you advices here, there are many good informations here on youtube, you just need to filter the junk.
@@dtibor5903 I don’t doubt it, but how many hours did it take to get that experience? I spent about $1000 on a really nice printer and I’m getting great results with zero actual experience printing before having gotten it.
@@DannoHung that's great! I decided to go on the cheap route because I had time, I'm DIY person, I enjoy challenges like repairing damaged stuff and my investment was not intended to return money. If you plan to do business, alwyas buy the most reliable one.
@Miguel Defares my next printer is going to have both direct drive and a hardened nozzle, so hopefully, that fixes it.
@@DannoHung I spent $120 on a factory return of some unknown printer all metal hot end, direct drive, stamped steel frame and it worked great out of the box. I'd take it over a prusa everyday 😂😂 even if the prusa was the same price.
I have been saying for years: The NEXT big advancement in 3D printing will be CLOSED LOOP CONTROL (where a camera monitors the build) and adjusts (fixes problems) as issue arise.
This will be critical in 3D Home building as you cannot just scrape off a bad print and start again.
You just need a large scraper, like a bulldozer :) problem solved! ( Just kidding)
Yeah, when I got into printing, I was super surprised that everything is open loop
It'd also be great for using expensive, hard-to-print engineering materials like PEEK, that cost hundreds of dollars per spool so you can't afford to waste any of it
This - Plus more!
No worries. Working on it. Though not using cameras.
Thanks for helping me nerd out today. I am 72 years old, and just can't get enough of this stuff. I own 14 3d printers myself and have had one since M3D cube. 3d printing has come a
If the goal is to "get more players in [any given] 3D printing space", patents are the direct antithesis to that. Kind of an interesting corner that the 3D printing industry has painted itself into.
Licensing is not a bad thing, so long as the patent has a reasonable sunset date and the fees aren’t ridiculous.
@Seeyou Seemee research is expensive, there has to be a return on investment or no-one does any, what's the alternative to patents?
What we also need is for the printer to be able to do automatic touch ups to defects. The printer could retract and use the hot nozzle to heat up the deformed plastic and try and push it back into it's place. Juste like ironing does on the uppermost layer but in the XY axis
Nice - Can’t wait to show you how we took this same concept to a more sophisticated level
Relativity Space does a lot of this for their rocket. They print a software-deformed shape so the thermal warp results in a straight barrel
Have you seen their new one!
Was wondering when 6 axis printing would become a thing. It is really interesting to watch this technology jump leaps and bounds every year. One thing that would make large format printing more viable would be to swap out the 3d printing tool head for a mill head after the 3d print is finished so that the plastic can be milled smooth. Much like in CNC machining where you use different tool heads / bits to mill away machining lines in aluminum / get finer details. You make sure the 3d print has a little extra material that can then be taken away to make a perfect machined part in the end. You no longer have to worry about layer lines or making the most perfect large format print (which sounds nearly impossible). If the surface has a defect where the layers are misaligned (much like that car door had all over) the milling process would take all that away. Even if you have catastrophic spaghetti failure the print could be salvaged. Just pause the print, mill away the mess, then resume the print (since it is being cnc machined away you should know exactly where the cut off area is to resume the print. Could also use feeler gauge on the print head so it can locate the resume point, or maybe software can figure it out from the camera recording). Sounds so easy in a youtube comment but in reality this would still probably take a decade or two to develop....but then again maybe it is already being done? haha
6 Axis Additive and Subtractive Manufacturing is the future! Maybe it is in devolpment somewhere!
Omgs. This is amazing. And love the outtro.
This is so important and I hope we start getting some more of these features down to a desktop level in some form...I know it will happen eventually.
Awesome! Mind blown again. As the talk progressed I started remembering previous videos, and Stefan from CNC Kitchen's videos, and it all came together. Ai Build has incorporated all of it into their platform. It was truely impressive. How is 3DPN going to blow my mind next. Wish I could go to events like Formex
Thanks! Our additive manufacturing platform, AiSync, controls, monitors and optimises the entire 3D printing process in one platform! It allows you to control all your 3D printers from one UI regardless of location. Our development team are always optimising AiSync to be even more intuitive and automated. Check out our socials for more: Ai Build
At some point, we'll have setups which detect defects, go in w/ a subtractive process to cut them out, and revert back to additive to fill in and continue on...
They might even add lasers!
This is nuts! Awesome, and nuts. I'm excited to see where this goes. Happy Holidays and High-5!
This is awesome, I must have this
Everywhere I look AI is exploding out into the world and I am SO HERE for it! Let's goooooooooooooo!
I love AI and am excited to see these kinds of implementations.
Ai incoperated into Addative manufactuing is the future!
6 axis printing!!! Yes please
Thanks! We have a LOT of robots in our AiLab printing some really impressive geometries! Check out our socials to see more! Ai Build
I want. This is very exciting. More tech so my ideas can become a reality in my spare room.
that is incredible, i cant waitto see wgat comes up next, Joe keep it up
The virtual model of the printer was awesome, just think you could run many iterations before an actual print just to find any problems and save so much time, money and not waste filament.
As well as our digital twin simulating the entire 3D print we also have build simulation capabilities in AiSync. One of these is thermal simulation which automatically adapts the printing speed for each layer, achieving an optimum bonding temperature to reduce build defects and increase strength in Z. Check out our socials for more info: Ai Build
These guys know what they are doing on a really level son !
Amazing. It's the future.
Thanks! We can't wait to show what 2023 has in store!
Thank you 3dprintingnerd.
I love this! And it sounds so good but all I can see is those terrible few layers behind Xavies head....
What a intensive video!
Wow. This is absolutely game changing! I can't wait for this sorta tech to trickle out to the rest of us. 6 axis alone is super cool and all but being able to create a digital twin AND use AI to figure out what it should be looking like as it prints is AMAZING!
This is just one company, with one idea and one approach. This is going to become a big thing eventually.
I have a bunch of ideas, I bet a lot of other folks have great ideas too. We all work to improve the process.
But I believe 6-axis is the future of additive manufacturing.
It's only a matter of time til Cura will be able to slice for 6-axis, I'm sure. It might be a while, it's a lot trickier to code for.
This will serve as inspiration for many folks out there working on their own printers.
The future of this field is pretty exciting.
Well that sounds nice. i like the reference through the printing of the ship. Hopefuly Ai will fix these problems.
That's. Just. Cool. 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Others are saying it: this is basically the future (for one aspect of printing). One complaint I've had on the consumer FDM side is all the touchy-feely "well this works for me" nature of 3D printing. What it should really be is "here's the model, print" and it works. No slicer tweaks, no changing flow or temps based on material. If I want it printed in white instead of orange, I will do that. But a lot of times you have to do those tweaks. Bambu does a little calibration ahead of time, the Prusa XL is supposed to be able to tell how it's printing with it's load cell, but those (and others) only get so far. Add a camera and you can get another level of detail. Add sensors and you can get more. But none of that will matter much if it's just going "am I printing?" instead of "how is the print?". Adrian Bowyer had an awesome talk at ERRF 2019 about how the goal shouldn't be to make printers that will be defectless... it's not possible. Instead, it should be able to take nearly any machine (consumer or otherwise) and go "my calibrations indicate I can move 0.001mm... but I have a model that needs 0.0001mm to get all the details" and be able to adjust to get those details. Or to recognize it's drooping (like the 90 degree print they show) and to adjust to still print perfectly.... because that's just gravity. So long as it's solid enough, add a support at the other end and you're good... but if it kept printing without taking the drooping into account, you now have a messed up print.
So what happens after a defect is detected? Can the system try to fix the defect? It would still be a waste of material if they would need to start over, I understand it would be less waste than if if kept going.
Sounds like a addative and subtravtive process combined.
this is so cool !
Very cool 😎
Awesome stuff
Thanks! Definitely a very exciting industry to be collaborating in!
WOW this sounds really interesting.
Thanks! If you want to see more robotic 3D printing from our AiLab check out our socials, Ai Build
Super video
Prusa better get moving… I think I need that AI in the Core XL. 😂
No one is FDM printing a mold plug without post-processing. If you do, your mold is gonna be garbage; full of layer lines. That’s just the nature of FDM printing.
very good report cheers from an tech nerd
What about a real-time 3D scan of your print?
Real Time scanning and Direct Laser line thinkness! That would be game changing
when can I get the feature/ upgrade on my prusa MK3S 👀
I find it laughable that this car door is held up as a success when I see it as a failure! It warped off the bed at both ends and had multiple layers that over extruded 3/4's the way up! One good thing that might have come out of this is that it was able to adapt to these issues and finish the print without making it worse! This part still wouldn't pass my my quality inspection, however!
"We cant have under-extrusion for one second..." Meanwhile his head in the camera view is right next to the defect and ugly layering
Perfection Takes time and subtractive tools - Mayvbe even a combined Process
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Why is this only coming now? I feel like this should be integrated into every slicer since day one.
my dude looks like a marvel villain
Seems a lot like welding. You should be keeping track of heat soak the whole time.
Joel’s mind was so blown he forgot to fit in a high5
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Standing in front of a model with three visible defects… oh- keh… but I like the idea
But I was wondering what happens if some error was detected. Does the AI correct the issue and instruct the printer to go back a mm and put out some extra material or does it simply stop the process?
That's a very good question! We are in talks and believe me, going to be diving deep on this tech.
@@3DPrintingNerd cool! Thank you very much for your reply, love your channel and personality. I guess there is more exciting tech coming in the future nobody expected.
Let's hope some of this AI goodness finds it way down to consumer grade 3D printers
Anybody notice the defect on the door behind him? Like at head level?
You ever heard of this thing called marketing? That’s all this video is, free advertising for AI Build. A lot of fluff, but not 100% accurate. Companies who need 100% accurate prints, like Aerojet Rocketdyne who prints rocket engines, probably aren’t relying on any sort of 3D printer or printing software that shows up to a trade show.
I guess the really hard thing with this kind of software is setting the treshold of what is an acceptable defect, and what is actually a defect that has too much impact and needs to be reacted on.
Maybe that little layer issue you see in the print was actually already detected at the slicing level as potential issue, so the software knew it would come out just like that. Or maybe the software logged it as a minor defect for the operator to check and evaluate after the print was done, because it realized that its only a minor flaw that will not cause issues for the next layer to print on. Or it was an example to show visitors at the show that theyr software actually detected that flaw in the print when it was actually printing, but they set it to keep going without intervention.
Is it actually artificial intelligence making that happend or is just the name confusing?
They use video analysis software that has been trained thru machine learning to see defects happening. You kinda need that training process to simplify the processing job enough to run fast without requiring massive processing power, especially when you get video streams from 9 cameras that need to be analyzed simultaneously and in real time. A lot of algorythms that have been developed thru machine learning are labeled under the "AI" term, because once the machine learning process is complete, no human actually fully understands how these systems get to the results they provide.
@@ProtonOne11 Yea i am familiar with AI topic. But since the complete pronunciation of the word didn't fall in this video, i got questioning this all the video long myself. Thanks for the info. Since i am waiting so much for 3d printers getting more AI involved, as i am pretty sure that Slicers like Cura could be way more better and also the printer itself. As AI is very flexable to do things and i don't understand why certain things in slicers are still that hard to do.
Hmm syncing cameras isn’t actually really amazing normally they take pps in if they aren’t complete trash and they timesstamp each frame.
Spaghetti Detective is great if you want to pay $45/month in case 1 spool of $20 filament gets wasted.
45 a month!? That is indeed a bit out there, but I guess its use if also for manufacturing.
If you're running a print farm the time it can save more than makes up for the cost.
If you have an old pc laying around and can follow their guide you can host it yourself for free
but everything has to be a subscription service today! How will people possibly deal with having to own things for themselves! Business revenue synergy touch base technology AI crypto!
Can we just move away from misusing the therm AI for gimmicky Vision things.
i work cnc machinist and i tell you if if doesnt mechanically prevent operation is nothing
you know what is the most wasteful 3d print?
raceboat
Good to see this being done, but can we PLEASE get rid of the term AI? This is Image Processing and Pattern Recognition. Very complex patterns compared against very complex and advanced calculated models (I'm trying to avoid the word "prediction" as it's calculating stuff, not doing something magical), but this is still nowhere near intelligence. The term AI makes many people think these machines are smart and might take over the world in a couple of decades, but in reality they are very limited in how they can interact with reality and basically just translate a huge number of inputs into a small number of outputs (print good or print bad) through weights that get slighly corrected every time their correct working gets confirmed or countered. If you present a machine like that the same example which it answered correctly over and over again, it will keep on giving you the correct answer without any problem. If you do the same with an intelligent being, it will realize that you're mocking it and will punch you in the face. So, stop calling this Intelligence!
What is the problem there? It clearly says that it is artificial, so not really intelligent. It's trying to look like it's intelligent, pretending, faking it, when it's actually not. I think the term artificial intelligence fits pretty well. If it would be a truly sentient machine or software it would actually give itself a better fitting name immediately... 😂
@@ProtonOne11 The term 'Artificial Intelligence' should mean true Intelligence in a system artificially created. It is not supposed to be used for "faking intelligence". The better term for all the stuff currently delivered is "Machine Learning" and some of the results are amazing, but still not intelligent - also not artificially intelligent. Ex. creating drawings that match a given description might seem fantastic and it is, but that thing still doesn't understand what it just drew. It only knows that there is a correlation between certain words used to describe drawings it had as samples and certain features of those drawings and the thing it generated seems to have similar features as the drawings that matched with the words from the description, but apart from that, the thing has no clue what a "unicorn" actually is, whether it really exists or even what existing (or anything else for that matter) actually means. It is not at all intelligent. The people that came up with it, they are very intelligent, but their creation is still just a very complex but "dumb" algorithm.
@@MisterkeTube it’s transitioned from a term found only in science fiction to a technical term of art. Languages do that.
@@seeyouseemee3863 Whether true AI will automatically yield self-awareness (and a personality) is debatable. However "intelligence" does assume the capability to think outside the box you are being trained in. This is where machine learning still falls short to deserve the term "intelligence". This is of course linked to the limited input and output space these algorithms operate in, but despite the results seen from various examples in the latest years, their space is still tiny compared with the one we as humans experience (both the "reality" we actually experience, but also the imagination that hugely expands this space). When machine learning starts to reach a point that its input and output space grows to a decent percentage of that of humans, then we may start to worry about machines taking over the world, but we're nowhere close yet... Note though that in order to have machines destroy the world, you don"t need true AI. Giving a bad algorithm control over nuclear launches is more than enough for that and currently the more likely scenario than an AI actually taking over.
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I find it ironic how he's talking about all this error prevention but every part they show is absolutely terrible quality 🤣🤣. Things are very clearly not working as well as he says.
Solid content, but I kinda don't like the way Joel is conducting interviews. To me it feels like he is trying to keep up with the expert too hard and his reactions are sometimes over the top too. Don't hate me for this, it's just how I feel and not really meant as feedback.
This channel has interesting videos but I wish the host wouldn't constantly sound like he's kissing the companies' asses
have to say this channel has sort just turned into a bunch of infomercials. While this is cool (a good infomercial always should be) this does not help or effect your core audience at all
Impressive! So you know every one of the over 500k subscribers and other visitors that might see this video and know what they want from Joel? He has been doing these 3D printing show visits for quite some time, and he always picks interesting topics and technologies to report about. If you are not interested at all in the industrial side of 3D printing, you can just skip these videos and look for comsumer printer reviews, collaborations with makers or other content from Joel you like more. For someone like Joel, who is doing youtube videos about 3D printing full time, and has bills to pay and a family to feed, he is actually doing a pretty good job most of the time to not just become a braindead marketing vessel for whoever waves with a $ bill.
Personally i find these videos very interesting as it shows me what is going on beyond the cheap consumer level printing world in a very easy to understand and entertaining way, without just being a full on advertisement.
Very cool. I have some ideas for slicer/camera integration for hobby printer error detection if you’re interested in hearing them @3DPrintingNerd just let me know how to contact you.
Im intrested in Hearing! We have a few too!