Thanks for this video. You inspired me to build a hydraulic pedal set with this design using real floor mounted pedals. Got tired of waiting for higher end pedals sets (they are always out of stock) so I'm building my own. For now I'm only building a hydraulic brake and a hall sensor accelerator pedal mounted on a 80/20 frame. Clutch will come later.
@@JoshMullen35 can i use a 4350 psi version because i have looked everywhere at my local e shop and theres none except generator ones which dont have signal output
Hey Josh. Your videos are amazing. I came for the sim handbrake video only to realize that you were a real drifter too. Now I know you are the one who can give me a definite answer to the question that has been bugging me for quite a long time. I am a sim racing enthusiast myself with the skill level below 1% than yours, but I am also an IT engineer who likes math, physics and to tinker with various projects. I've been designing my own load cell based handbrake solution. The prototype is working great and I love the non-linearity that the load sensor provides, similarly to the pressure sensor in your build. The last thing I've been trying to achieve was realism in the hand feel. I've done a lot of research as far as mechanics of hydraulic brakes go. What I cannot understand is why so many top-tier designs use hydraulics in their products at all. How is this different from removing the line completely and pushing against the spring/poly bushing directly? Yes, it is true that different bore sizes of the master and slave can give you a different input/output pressure rate, but at the end of the day the rate is still linear, pressing against a spring or poly bushing. So if, say, your hydraulic system gives you 2x pressure on the slave side, all it actually means is that it takes you twice less force to pull the HB, to compress a given spring by a certain length. Wouldn't it be the same as removing the hydro lines completely, and press HB directly against a spring that has twice less compression rate than the original one? Just twice less pounds per inch. How would this feel differently in the hand? As a real racer, can you perhaps shed some more light on it. Maybe there is something beyond raw physics that I am missing out? Thank you very much! I know the video is not recent, but I hope you'll notice my comment anyway and have some free time to reply. Cheers!
This is a brilliant tutorial, and inspired me to build my own. 1 little critique for your fluid transfer system though, you only need thread sealant on taper threads (npt), the tape/sealant doesn't actually do the sealing; it promotes a friction weld between the male/female threads.
Great video. Very well explained and gives the viewer confidence to do it themselves. Just for personal knowledge. AN fittings aren't aircraft fittings the AN stands for Army Navy. They do use them on aircraft but it was a system designed originally for the Army and Navy.
Please, can you explain how you made the conections in the dsd 12 bit controler? The electronic part of the tutorial is not clear for me. Very thanks and good work.
You don't need an Arduino, you basically wire the 5v+ and - to the power outlet on the board, then connect the signal wire to one of the pads on the joystick input. ;)
So i took a screen shot at the start of the video to zoom on and it looks to me as if the 3 wires are red black and green coming off the pressure sensor and they are the same colour on the Auduino Cable so i guess he just cuts one end off and connects the wires colour for colour so red to red black to black the green to green and plug the other end into the DSD USB board. Kinda strange he doesn't cover this and presumes everyone will be aware of it but clearly not the case. Can not believe how much companies are charging for a pre built one. some of their prices are ridiculous
Thanks for the great how-to! So many other ones replace the hydraulics with a spring and use a potentiometer. This must feel 1000x better. Otdering my parts tonight. Safety Tip for the non-initiated: brake fluid is nasty stuff so be careful and bleed your system outside (or in the garage). Probably not something you want to do at your kitchen table. Catch it in a clean container (that you can toss afterward) and either put it back in the reservoir or bottle. Nice Tuerck shift knob, BTW.
I’m Going the potentiometer route too, except I’m still going to incorporate the slave cylinder. Going to use an usb arduino and take the pressure sensor out of the stainless braided line. It will take some soldering but It’s cheaper
You will need an arduino that will mimic an HID (human input device/joystick) and it will be a digital sensor. Check out this Button Box tutorial. Use the pressure sensor in place of a rotary encoder. You will only need to solder a few wires. th-cam.com/video/hSU630uGv2U/w-d-xo.html - You will need an ATTiny85. - The sensor has 3 wires. Red goes to 5v on the arduino. Black is ground. Then attach the signal wire to any GPIO (General Purpose Input Output) pin. - Download the Arduino IDE - Modify the HID arduino script so that the GPIO pin matches the one the sensor is wired to.
Great video everything is clear the build is easy bit looking at the prices of each component buying a fully assembled one comes to about the same price but nothing to source and no building. Specifically if your like me in Canada where the handbrake assembly along is close to 400$ another 150$ for the slave 80$ for a board and another 100$ in hardware and fluid. With good deals I can see this being a great option just not is my market sadly.
@JoshMullen35 didn't say it was a good way to make a HB it's just a shame the parts are so expensive would make this a great option. Like many have said before showing how to connect the electronics would have been helpful to many but I did say this was a good option or maybe you only saw my parts breakdown 😉
Hey, awesome video!❤ I thought buying me a loadcell handbrake, but if I can get a hydraulic one for the same price, i probably will do it.😅 I've got a few questions: 1. Do I need the expensive clutch cylinder or can I buy a cheap one from Aliexpress? (It has no bleeder, just one input) 2. Why do I need the whole complex system, if i can just put the elastomers directly on the handbrake and the pressure sensor also directly on the handbrake output?
josh, amazing vids and settup. do you think its possible to use this handbrake and controller for a trunk mounted linear actuated brake by wire handbrake system? im considering something like this for the handbrake side of things.
What the pros/cons of using the slave cylinder vs reading the pressure directly off the handbrake? I assume it gives you greater control of the force of the handbrake?
Thank you for this. However could you elaborate on the how to connect the pressure sensor to the DSD board? I’m assuming the lose wires are plugged into the female to female cable?
Can you add another pressure switch for a brake pedal to the dsd controller? Is the Controller capable of working all controls, throttle, brake, handbrake and clutch? I am a total newbie to all this. The fabrication of the cockpit and controls is easy enough i'd get stuck on the electronics, but if the controller is capable i'll get some help to wire everything. Thanks Rich.
@@Rudys2000 Because the slave cylinder here is A) used to get a more accurate feel of the wheels locking up and B) used to bleed the air from the fluid. If you just hook up a pressure sensor directly to the master cylinder how are you going to bleed the air from it? Without bleeding the air from it the handbrake probably isn't going to move much. I mean you can just get rid of the master/slave cylinder altogether which is what most of the cheap handbrakes do but then you have to have it spring loaded instead.
wish my damn logitech wheel worked properly like yours (its not logitech i know), no matter what i do, i have to manually flick all the time, i cant just let go of the wheel and have it flick itself around
Dude that video tutorial is a fking awsome fonaly i can build my own thanx mate for tmdetailed info and so on🎉🎉🫡👌🤙and u also can use that hydraulic mode on brake pedal😉
@@JoshMullen35 Can u use a regular Pressure sensor (oil, fuel) M12, 10Bar, 5V or is it need to be 1000psi sensor? I also thinking to use Motorcycle Hydraulic Clutch Slave pull Cylinder i have laying around motorcycle brakes !!!
I think the setting is "spring" or "return to center force" or something like that, don't be afraid to mess around with settings to find what feels best for you.
@@coryhalvorson8874 It is the same as a real car he uses the momentum of the car amd lets go of the wheel as he power slides and it spins back in his hands no difference to a real drift car. Get a DD wheel it is so easy where as on my Thrustmaster i struggled
You could use water but it may cause rusting and corrosion of the internals. Water isnt used in brake systems because of its lower boiling point that can easily turn into a gas (creating air in your lines) and "corrosive" properties in conjunction with metal and oxygen. DOT rated fluids are denser, have a higher boiling point, and are less compressible than water. www.quora.com/Why-can%E2%80%99t-we-use-water-instead-of-braking-fluid-in-a-braking-system
Most people don't use break fluid in sim rigs as it is 100% pointless as no heat will going through it, so you do not need it to have a high boiling point. You should use power steering fluid or mineral oil instead, there is absolutely no difference in feel. When you buy hydraulic pedals etc for sim racing such as ricmotech real gear they use power steering fluid., I also use power steering fluid. Bike suspension fork fluid is also good as you can choose different weight oils but i doubt that makes any difference, as long as the oil pulls the cylinder in, it will work, water will also work but will cause rust and may go stale etc and wont lubricate anything so don't use that.
JoshMullen35 I been looking around for a year. My Clubsport v1 pedals and Porsche Wheel turbo S with a half ass setup have served me well over the years, but looking to upgrade. Plan on doing a hydraulic hand brake myself. Was looking to do wilwood pedals but idk. Sucks can't try anything for the price of the stuff lol.
Vax Dev Team I assume it’s because the DSD board is designed for sim racing so it’s preprogrammed, if you’re wanting to save a little more on costs you could probably go for an Arduino and would have to program it yourself
Can someone explain how companies are charging over £600 for there handbrake that looks just like this, am i missing something special they have this doesn't lol. Does anyone have a total price for this build, im in the UK but i can work out what ever currency you use
@@JoshMullen35 man that’s awesome there is a set of pedals made by sim coaches using the same wilwood slave, but I have seen a video where they leak but they don’t have the washer like you to protect the face of the unit
Thanks for this video. You inspired me to build a hydraulic pedal set with this design using real floor mounted pedals. Got tired of waiting for higher end pedals sets (they are always out of stock) so I'm building my own. For now I'm only building a hydraulic brake and a hall sensor accelerator pedal mounted on a 80/20 frame. Clutch will come later.
awesome man! Im glad i could help!
@@JoshMullen35 can i use cheap clutch slave cylinder from a car?
@@lifzz-gv1sx yes as long as you can plumb the pressure sensor to it, it will work
@@JoshMullen35 can i use a 4350 psi version because i have looked everywhere at my local e shop and theres none except generator ones which dont have signal output
@@lifzz-gv1sx check ebay that is where i got mine
I built one based on your tutorial. A friend of mine did also. Thanks for showing
Hey Josh. Your videos are amazing. I came for the sim handbrake video only to realize that you were a real drifter too. Now I know you are the one who can give me a definite answer to the question that has been bugging me for quite a long time.
I am a sim racing enthusiast myself with the skill level below 1% than yours, but I am also an IT engineer who likes math, physics and to tinker with various projects. I've been designing my own load cell based handbrake solution. The prototype is working great and I love the non-linearity that the load sensor provides, similarly to the pressure sensor in your build.
The last thing I've been trying to achieve was realism in the hand feel. I've done a lot of research as far as mechanics of hydraulic brakes go. What I cannot understand is why so many top-tier designs use hydraulics in their products at all. How is this different from removing the line completely and pushing against the spring/poly bushing directly?
Yes, it is true that different bore sizes of the master and slave can give you a different input/output pressure rate, but at the end of the day the rate is still linear, pressing against a spring or poly bushing. So if, say, your hydraulic system gives you 2x pressure on the slave side, all it actually means is that it takes you twice less force to pull the HB, to compress a given spring by a certain length. Wouldn't it be the same as removing the hydro lines completely, and press HB directly against a spring that has twice less compression rate than the original one? Just twice less pounds per inch. How would this feel differently in the hand?
As a real racer, can you perhaps shed some more light on it. Maybe there is something beyond raw physics that I am missing out? Thank you very much! I know the video is not recent, but I hope you'll notice my comment anyway and have some free time to reply. Cheers!
i need this setup in my life
Dude, sweet video. I will be building Hydro brake and handbrakes for my rig. It looks a lot less daunting now.
This is a brilliant tutorial, and inspired me to build my own. 1 little critique for your fluid transfer system though, you only need thread sealant on taper threads (npt), the tape/sealant doesn't actually do the sealing; it promotes a friction weld between the male/female threads.
Great video. Very well explained and gives the viewer confidence to do it themselves. Just for personal knowledge. AN fittings aren't aircraft fittings the AN stands for Army Navy. They do use them on aircraft but it was a system designed originally for the Army and Navy.
Please, can you explain how you made the conections in the dsd 12 bit controler? The electronic part of the tutorial is not clear for me. Very thanks and good work.
yeah... he doesn't say anything about why you need the Arduino 3 pin cable... Do you need to buy an Arduino and program it too?
You don't need an Arduino, you basically wire the 5v+ and - to the power outlet on the board, then connect the signal wire to one of the pads on the joystick input. ;)
@@nissanpacific9793 3pin arduino cable is to run from the board to the PC. :)
@@troyd-motorsport9933 No, he says "to connect the pressure sensor to the DSD board without having to solder".
So i took a screen shot at the start of the video to zoom on and it looks to me as if the 3 wires are red black and green coming off the pressure sensor and they are the same colour on the Auduino Cable so i guess he just cuts one end off and connects the wires colour for colour so red to red black to black the green to green and plug the other end into the DSD USB board.
Kinda strange he doesn't cover this and presumes everyone will be aware of it but clearly not the case.
Can not believe how much companies are charging for a pre built one. some of their prices are ridiculous
Thanks for the great how-to! So many other ones replace the hydraulics with a spring and use a potentiometer. This must feel 1000x better. Otdering my parts tonight.
Safety Tip for the non-initiated: brake fluid is nasty stuff so be careful and bleed your system outside (or in the garage). Probably not something you want to do at your kitchen table. Catch it in a clean container (that you can toss afterward) and either put it back in the reservoir or bottle.
Nice Tuerck shift knob, BTW.
hell yea dude! i actually just shook down my real drift car with an asd handbrake and it feels identical
JoshMullen35 you forgot to mention to use some lubricant before putting on the bushings so they move smoother and not wear out as quick
I’m Going the potentiometer route too, except I’m still going to incorporate the slave cylinder. Going to use an usb arduino and take the pressure sensor out of the stainless braided line. It will take some soldering but It’s cheaper
It doesn't have to be Brake Fluid. You can use Mineral Oil. You aren't applying any heat to the fluid, so what you use is moot.
@@JoshMullen35 how do you wire these up though? You didnt show the wiring
Good video! However, I would LOVE to see how to hook up the electronics. For me that is the most challenging part.
You will need an arduino that will mimic an HID (human input device/joystick) and it will be a digital sensor. Check out this Button Box tutorial. Use the pressure sensor in place of a rotary encoder. You will only need to solder a few wires.
th-cam.com/video/hSU630uGv2U/w-d-xo.html
- You will need an ATTiny85.
- The sensor has 3 wires. Red goes to 5v on the arduino. Black is ground. Then attach the signal wire to any GPIO (General Purpose Input Output) pin.
- Download the Arduino IDE
- Modify the HID arduino script so that the GPIO pin matches the one the sensor is wired to.
How did you wire the sensor to the dsd board?
Great video everything is clear the build is easy bit looking at the prices of each component buying a fully assembled one comes to about the same price but nothing to source and no building. Specifically if your like me in Canada where the handbrake assembly along is close to 400$ another 150$ for the slave 80$ for a board and another 100$ in hardware and fluid.
With good deals I can see this being a great option just not is my market sadly.
to each his own
@JoshMullen35 didn't say it was a good way to make a HB it's just a shame the parts are so expensive would make this a great option. Like many have said before showing how to connect the electronics would have been helpful to many but I did say this was a good option or maybe you only saw my parts breakdown 😉
Brilliant idea thanks heaps! I was going to build one with a basic switch but this is a whole new level of awesomeness that I need to do! Thanks!
Thank you! and you are welcome! glad to help[
Hey, awesome video!❤ I thought buying me a loadcell handbrake, but if I can get a hydraulic one for the same price, i probably will do it.😅 I've got a few questions:
1. Do I need the expensive clutch cylinder or can I buy a cheap one from Aliexpress? (It has no bleeder, just one input)
2. Why do I need the whole complex system, if i can just put the elastomers directly on the handbrake and the pressure sensor also directly on the handbrake output?
josh, amazing vids and settup. do you think its possible to use this handbrake and controller for a trunk mounted linear actuated brake by wire handbrake system? im considering something like this for the handbrake side of things.
Gonna make this and make one for foot pedal
Hi...how did you Connect the Sensor with the Controller?
Nice project 👍
What the pros/cons of using the slave cylinder vs reading the pressure directly off the handbrake? I assume it gives you greater control of the force of the handbrake?
Without the slave it will be like pulling on a solid bar, the system will pressure up very quickly
Absolutely brilliant! Great job.
Thank you! Im glad i could help!
Can you show how the board was wired?
Estoy haciendo un freno de mano inspirado un poco en tu modelo. Buen vídeo!
Great vid, thanks. I noticed that there’s some lag between oculus and ur main screen lol.
Yea there is a little latency with the screen mirroring
Thank you for this. However could you elaborate on the how to connect the pressure sensor to the DSD board? I’m assuming the lose wires are plugged into the female to female cable?
That an old video but big thank I will do same kind of handbrake
you are the man. thank you
You have my dream setup.
Thank you! youll have it one day
I hope so.
How do you wire the board?
I am using the same size lever you have and was wondering what durometers you are using to compensate for the length of the lever?
Any recomendations for a cheaper Pull-Type Slave Cylinder that will do a similar job?
go to napa tell them you want a slave cylinder and they will probably have bushings you can use too also the lines maybe even the all the fittings
Can you add another pressure switch for a brake pedal to the dsd controller? Is the Controller capable of working all controls, throttle, brake, handbrake and clutch? I am a total newbie to all this. The fabrication of the cockpit and controls is easy enough i'd get stuck on the electronics, but if the controller is capable i'll get some help to wire everything. Thanks Rich.
If I didn't want the slave cylinder is there a way to mount the pressure sensor straight to the handbrake
My question also...
Why not connect the pressure sensor directly to original handbrake
@@Rudys2000 Because the slave cylinder here is A) used to get a more accurate feel of the wheels locking up and B) used to bleed the air from the fluid. If you just hook up a pressure sensor directly to the master cylinder how are you going to bleed the air from it? Without bleeding the air from it the handbrake probably isn't going to move much. I mean you can just get rid of the master/slave cylinder altogether which is what most of the cheap handbrakes do but then you have to have it spring loaded instead.
U can. Use a T fitting with bleeder on end, sensor on the other.
very well explained! One question, if you dont put the bushings in will the master then feel more like a clutch?
Exactly
I connected the handbrake, that it just activated a button. How can I calibrate this?
The calibration step is done within the windows controller menu. i show you how to do it in the video! Hope that helps
What would you estimate you spent on costs?
want to know a secret? 3/8-24 is the same thread as the -3, but instead of that 37 degree flare there's an inverted flare :)
How do you hook up the electronics? Cheers mate.
Does the slave cylinder have to be on the handbrake assembly? Could I set the slave on my rig itself so it sits on the outside?
If all is connected you can put the slave anywhere just make sure you get a brake line long enough and mount the slave to something solide
do the bushings come in the full set of 4 or do i have to order 2x from their site?
there is any othrer DSD 12-Bit Controller that can be use ???
Can i make this all procedure, but making a pedal brake instead a handbrake?
yes
wish my damn logitech wheel worked properly like yours (its not logitech i know), no matter what i do, i have to manually flick all the time, i cant just let go of the wheel and have it flick itself around
Dude that video tutorial is a fking awsome fonaly i can build my own thanx mate for tmdetailed info and so on🎉🎉🫡👌🤙and u also can use that hydraulic mode on brake pedal😉
No problem! Yes you can
@@JoshMullen35 Can u use a regular Pressure sensor (oil, fuel) M12, 10Bar, 5V or is it need to be 1000psi sensor?
I also thinking to use Motorcycle Hydraulic Clutch Slave pull Cylinder i have laying around motorcycle brakes !!!
@@jumukene65 I would think so as long as it was able to be calibrated
@@JoshMullen35 calibrate with arduino i think
Nice video! I have one question: How do you make your wheel counter steer it self so fast? What setting do I have to higher for that?
I think the setting is "spring" or "return to center force" or something like that, don't be afraid to mess around with settings to find what feels best for you.
@@coryhalvorson8874 Called a DD and you let go like a real car and it re centres. cheap belt wheels struggle with this unless its a good wheel base.
@@coryhalvorson8874 It is the same as a real car he uses the momentum of the car amd lets go of the wheel as he power slides and it spins back in his hands no difference to a real drift car. Get a DD wheel it is so easy where as on my Thrustmaster i struggled
what is you setting for the accuforce for the assetto corsa?
Could I use water instead of brake fluid? Seems alot safer if I'm just gonna chuck it a cupboard when it's not being used
No. Water isn't compressible.
You could use water but it may cause rusting and corrosion of the internals. Water isnt used in brake systems because of its lower boiling point that can easily turn into a gas (creating air in your lines) and "corrosive" properties in conjunction with metal and oxygen. DOT rated fluids are denser, have a higher boiling point, and are less compressible than water. www.quora.com/Why-can%E2%80%99t-we-use-water-instead-of-braking-fluid-in-a-braking-system
correct! water does not have the same hydraulic properties as brake fluid
if you have a quality master cylinder, the brake fluid will not leak and you wont have anything to worry about
Most people don't use break fluid in sim rigs as it is 100% pointless as no heat will going through it, so you do not need it to have a high boiling point. You should use power steering fluid or mineral oil instead, there is absolutely no difference in feel. When you buy hydraulic pedals etc for sim racing such as ricmotech real gear they use power steering fluid., I also use power steering fluid. Bike suspension fork fluid is also good as you can choose different weight oils but i doubt that makes any difference, as long as the oil pulls the cylinder in, it will work, water will also work but will cause rust and may go stale etc and wont lubricate anything so don't use that.
What is the total cost for all the pieces?
are there any guides for soldering to arduino board and coding instructions?
He was using a DSD board which i going to have to assume is preprogrammed for sim racing so I don’t believe he had to do much software work
@@bo55playz-gamingmore71 but how is he connecting the DSD board to the cylinder? Is there wires in it to connect?
Что за резинки оранжевые? Где взять?
my oculus 1 is so shitty on ac any hints?
Is It an H pattern or sequential shifter you have on the right?
I can’t identify make/model but as it was sitting slanted down toward second gear as he was drifting I would have to assume it’s an H-pattern
its a fanatec H
Hi, how hard are the RipTide Longboard Bushings?
Color looks like 80 or 60 sha
What pedals to use use? Did you happen to convert real pedals over to hydraulic?
I have MPPC pedals but they are discontinued! you can literally follow the exact same procedure to do this to a pedal set
JoshMullen35 I been looking around for a year. My Clubsport v1 pedals and Porsche Wheel turbo S with a half ass setup have served me well over the years, but looking to upgrade. Plan on doing a hydraulic hand brake myself. Was looking to do wilwood pedals but idk. Sucks can't try anything for the price of the stuff lol.
Can you make a video where you connect the controller to your pc?
All you do is plug the usb cord into your computer
+JoshMullen35 no software do you just map it?
Vax Dev Team I assume it’s because the DSD board is designed for sim racing so it’s preprogrammed, if you’re wanting to save a little more on costs you could probably go for an Arduino and would have to program it yourself
Is anyone selling the mount???
Can someone explain how companies are charging over £600 for there handbrake that looks just like this, am i missing something special they have this doesn't lol.
Does anyone have a total price for this build, im in the UK but i can work out what ever currency you use
Profit margin. And i guess quality control. This is a very niche product so prices are naturally high.
Your name is literally my cousin's name first and last name
So any leaks 3 years on?
no leaks still running strong
@@JoshMullen35 man that’s awesome there is a set of pedals made by sim coaches using the same wilwood slave, but I have seen a video where they leak but they don’t have the washer like you to protect the face of the unit
Please
anyone else noticed the cat. i almost freaked out when i saw it moving. '-'
It is too too too expensive....
$500 on gaming handbrake...
rock sorp if u want a cheap analog handbrake go buy a $30 usb flight stick it’s a great option and the usually have extra buttons
He purchased a $220+ handbrake. You can definetly find cheaper parts. i.e handbrake and slave cylinder.
That an old video but big thank I will do same kind of handbrake