For those who are not familiar with Driven Shooting in the UK, here is a short synopsis of how it works. A private estate employs gamekeepers to manage the wildlife and habitat on the land. In the summer they will either do a count of the wild population of game birds to establish a harvestable surplus or release young birds to become wilded. The conservation benefits and net-biodiversity gain that managing land for game shooting has is well documented. On a shoot day there are 3 'teams' in simple terms. One is called the beaters, they work in strategic lines to push these birds towards the guns. It is not easy as these birds are not tame in the slightest. One is called the pickers up. These are dog handlers in charge of collecting the fallen birds and getting then cooled down and ready for the food chain. They will also pick up wounded birds to be dispatched. The dead game is shared between all staff at the end of the day, and any surplus is allowed to be sold to retailers of game meat. Nothing is wasted. The last is the guns, the people shooting. They stand whilst the birds are driven towards them. It is one of the traditional ways that birds are hunted in the UK and some other countries. We do also walk solo with dogs, but this is less common. The clothes we wear are both practical and traditional. The man loading my gun is a friend and loading for someone else to increase the chance of a focused shot and clean kill is not uncommon. If you have any other questions - let us know! JC
It is accessible at many levels. Hunting and shooting is fairly niche in the U.K., but me and my friends all get out for a few days of the year and we are fairly average as a demographic
Not too different than the dove drives from my youth. I can promise you, most of us barely had enough money to keep our firearms fed. Just need a few friends, and know somebody with some land.
I turned 50 last Dec. I had never owned an O/u but saw a beautiful fiddleback Kofs 20. I did some investigating, saw your reviews and bought it. I couldn't be happier.👍 Great channel!
As an American this is a refreshing break from all the extreme tactical AR content. Don't get me wrong I'd never give up my American rifles for this but it would be a nice addition to get into this style of firearm appreciation and hunting.
Me as American, liking and also thrilled that other countries like their guns too. To me guns are a Tool and to some others a scary thing that if you own one, you must be evil. And that's why I like videos like this. : th-cam.com/video/5IKbgO9qnLs/w-d-xo.html
Considering my game gun has been an unmodified Remington 870, which cost a whopping $350 USD, and with which I’ve had successful hunts for 17 years, this video had me drooling over something more….refined.
Bah! I have the Remington 870 express magnum with a short and long barrel to switch between home defense and waterfowl / game hunting. It's an extremely versatile weapon, and as far as shotguns go the only one I like more is my old man's Belgium Browning 3" magnum semi-auto, with my old Ithaca double-barrel 12 gauge coming in at a close 3rd.
$3,000 semi auto Benelli Carbon fiber semi auto, my friend is the proud owner but it is the most light weight light recoil 12 gage I have ever had the pleasure of handling
@@halidehelux5221 respect for game thing. Even those of us who save for an occasional driven day dress to bring a sense of occasion and tradition to the day. Even when farmers get together they will dress for the day. A woman in tweeds and with a Holland and Holland over her shoulder is smokin' hot.
@@longlowdog well yes, but a tradition driven and formed by the upper class really. and closely associated with irrespective of actual form. tweed is pretty synonymous with posh folk these days, or farmers
@@ToraKwai so you'd get rid of it and have all shooters turn up in jeans and wife beater sleeveless t-shirt? I don't shoot a lot but when I do I want to be a part of something bigger than just going out to kill stuff.
@@longlowdog I've got nothing against it, all I was doing was pointing out the connection. Do what you like really. Having said that there shouldn't be a problem with someone turning up in anything, jeans and t-shirt seem practical enough. I could understand objections to a cocktail dress but where is the issue if its functional. As for wanting to be a part of something greater than yourself it sounds like a self justification for "just killing stuff" as you put it. Now nothing against it and I could be misinterpreting what you're trying to say so do set me straight if that's the case
Yeah, I mean if you don’t stalk the animal and camp a few days, carrying all the stuff and that you can bring a heavy gun But yeah for me that’s not hunting at all... just killing some birds for fun, still wanna do it to
I hunt PA and all my guns are on the heavier side. I carry a 9 pound Swedish mauser or 8 pound flintlock when I go for deer and an equally heavy Auto-5 for squirrels and turkey. Light guns are nice but I'd take fit and finish over weight any day.
@@FokkerAce1917 I'm talking shotguns for bird hunting. I can understand a deer gun weighing that. My 12 weighs 7.5lbs and the new 20 gauge sxs I just got weighs 6lb.
And if you can’t afford one , I highly recommend the Browning 725 Hunter or Sporting Clays which has palm swell. Remember this always it’s not the bow that matters it’s the Archer…..I have seen experienced hunters totally screw up on wild birds after being good on clays and pen raised birds it’s a big difference
The gun is beautiful but honestly Jonny the TGS cinematography and edits just get better and better, you are by far the highest calibre UK shooting channel on YT. Insane. More than happy to be a paying supporter and will continue to do so.
Very nice . I as native of Birmingham, remember William Powell in the city Center, what a beautiful premises it was , retail on first floor and workshops above , probably out work in in gun quarter to . Shame it’s all gone
@@optimisticnihilist3417 wow, way different than here in the states. I live northern California and our deer herds a a lot smaller than they used to be. But there still there and we still get after em in the national Forrest every fall. Hope y'all have a good season whatever your after
Beautiful gun! Personally I think detachable triggers are pretty cool. One of my fave things about my renato gamba. cleaning and repairing is much easier by removing the trigger assembly. 🙌
spending next weekend on the rifle Range in my home state of Floridain the United States I love it when for my cousins from overseas come to America so I can show them all the fun guns that we have glad to see you guys are shooting it up over there and having fun too
As a long time Perazzi shooter, I love and will always have a detachable trigger for several reasons. first, they can be easily removed for routine cleaning and lubricating, especially after a wet day in the field either shooting clays or game. second, I find the leaf spring is vastly superior to coils for both lock time and maintaining lock time over time. the simplicity in keeping a fresh or newly replaced spring keeps me enjoying my guns without interruption. The prestige looks like a fine representation of a Box Lock / Drop Lock Boss / Perazzi knock off. although the drop out trigger is more expensive to produce, I believe it would be a step back to eliminate it.
The detachable trigger is a benefit if you have to leave the gun in your car because you can take the trigger plate with you rendering the gun safe and worthless to a thief.
The thief is still going to take the gun. That is what thieves do. They are not smart. If they were, they'd have jobs and not be out stealing other people's property. 🤔
@@bearded196 I agree but the gun will not be functional and he will not be able to kill with it or sell it unless he orders a replacement trigger mechanism.
@@optimisticnihilist3417 You are partly right. The price is £7495. I suspect that a replacement trigger mechanism is around £2000/£2500 possibly without engraving, only available from William Powell so not too hard for Constable Plod to check who is ordering a new trigger mechanism for a Prestige……
What a beauty of pure craftmanship. The only thing missing is a police officer that fra fra fra allo allo ghooting the sun. Love the English style of hunting.
This is does make me smile. My SxS is my dad's J.C. Higgins 12 gauge he first took to the field when I was about ten years old. We hunted for food to put on the table not for sport. It has been nearly 65 years since that gun came into the family and I do break it out for its proper use. However, the video gun is a beautiful combination of art and craft. Still a thing to make want just one more addition to my collection.
I'm intrigued but can't help notice the wood to metal fit on the action.. if I bought one would probably be the first thing I ask them to customise for me!
This is a really cool video and a beautiful looking shotgun but I can’t help but think of how different this is from our hunting culture in the USA. I’m not saying our style is better this is just very much the “old money” style. Our style here definitely isn’t as sophisticated.
European game managers couldn't catch up with those in North America if they had three decades of exchange. "Hunting" (here vs there) are almost unrelated activities when you cross the ocean.
I think doing away with the detatchable trigger would be a mistake. When staying in hotels it makes sense to leave the triggers locked in your car while your gun is locked away in your room.
@@imaxdigital7052 its obvious really. If the gun is in one working piece and gets knicked then there is a big problem. If you take the bolt with you all the time to dinner etc then that makes it all safer. If you left the stock in the car boot with a trigger lock on it, the barrels in the hotel room, and the forend in your pocket then it is much safer. You have taken reasonable precautions. Is this not self-evident?
Something about the crisp air, a good double and lively birds over dogs. Good companions, great country. Really helps one appreciate how grand life can be.
I ordered one which was custom built for me , unfortunately it got caught up in the first lockdown and so ended up taking twelve months to deliver . Once delivered it lasted about four shots before it failed to shoot , it has been back about three times with faults , not something you expect when paying this type of money ! It now has been sorted and does shoot lovely for the sporting clays I shoot , but it is a shame I had the problems which was bitter sweet for me . A great gun now , so perhaps I was unlucky and i have taken a lot of stick from friends with much cheaper reliable guns , such is life !
@@VexChoccyMilk I agree with you completely. My point was more along the lines of - once he gets it straightened out, it'll hopefully start shooting consistently and one day in the future, someone will enjoy the gun and have no idea the history. (Or, at least, one would hope!)
As an American, the idea that "it doesn't fit me well cause its not my gun" cracks me up. Nothing here is custom fit. We all grow up shooting 500 dollar pump guns and get really good with them. I know some guys that could kill 50 birds with 50 shells on a second hand cheep $200 Remington. I can only dream of a custom fit stock, I almost don't want to be spoiled by one, I would love to have a hand fit side by side, hopefully one day I can afford it. The gun does not make a good shot, but man can it make the shooting more enjoyable.
While it is beautiful… Uk firearms ‘laws’ have completely destroyed firearms communities in the UK, and unnecessarily so. Gone with them is freedom too in my opinion.
@@jhtsurvival I agree. shooting poor birds that fly overhead is not hunting in my opinion. Shooting a deer... to collect the animal to cook eat and eat it is one thing. Shooting random birds for 'sport' (not collecting them not eating them) does not really sit well with me.
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again They are picked up and at all the shoots I've ever attended the guns are able to take as many birds from the bag as they with the rest going to either the estate or butcher.
Yet another fantastic video, very professionally put together, great content and I must say one very tasty looking gun. Well done and keep up the good work.
Thanks for the video. I've shot game for over 45 years and back then, 'standard' guns had 28" barrels, some 27" or even less. I find 28" barrels 'swing' more quickly and intuitively, especially from gun down. Each to their own but 32" barrels snap shooting partridge in a wood would be a challenge... Nice gun BTW - side plates would finish it off and shift the weight slightly rearwards.
I don't have words. Why am I moved in such a way by a darling of a shotgun? Your presentation left me feeling as though you were describing an old lifelong friendship that is steeped in intimacy and value. You gotta stop this wicked high caliber production, it's leading me astray.
I've never been a fan of the over under shotguns but this is a very pretty and well made gun, but I can't let go of my fathers old beretta side by sides, I grew up learning to shot those and I have never had a bad hunt with them 😊 Beautiful video and you have a new sub for sure! 😁
Never try a wedding dress that you can't afford! This is a wicked gun that can make you miserable if you can't afford it? -- I don't want to hear about it!
What is the budget? Would lean Rizzini. For £15k I could get a more or less custom engraved, custom built 460 that would stop you listing after anything else. Vs a black Perazzi with nice wood for the same money. I do love a Perazzi though, you can feel the pedegree when you pick them up,
I’m lucky, I shoot an H&H and I’d never ever change but wow that thing is stunning and if ever anyone asked for a recommendation I might just suggest it
A slightly different perspective on detachable triggers is that when removed, the gun is unusable. Not a bad security measure when travelling to and from the shoot/range. Same as travelling with the bolt removed from a rifle.
That bit about nice guns absolutely ruining lesser guns absolutely holds true. My experience is a little bit more limited on that front, but going from a $250-$350 pawn shop 12 gauge to a Benelli semi auto, it's an entirely different class of gun altogether. The weight, the balance, the fit and finish and feel, the way it pushes you back instead of smacking you back - there's just something about a nice gun that can't quite be properly communicated, it has to be felt. I'd love to see how one of these stacks up to a benelli, I can scarce imagine how much better a shotgun can even feel in all honesty.
Top-notch presentation as always, guys. "Finest gunmakers" is a really bold claim. It seems really nice, but probably not twice as nice as my F3. I must admit, it looks like it has more "soul" than my cold and mechanical shotgun. Personally, I'd rather have no engraving than one done by a machine. For eight grand, an over/under has to be almost perfect in my eyes. The competition is fierce at that price point, and the notorious P seems like an obvious choice.
That's fair point. I like the way engraving looks, currently don't own anything engraved. But yeah I suppose there is something about engraving being hand done.
I am more of a black gun guy, wood and engraving is, “yes very nice, but what does that bring to the party”. However just looking at this gun I really like it, the wood, the engraving the shape and style. With regards to your comment, “ you pick up a gun and fall in love”, well I thought I loved my side by side, but yep I got a cheap shadow from your shop, and have never shot clay or game as well with any other gun, so I know what you mean. Even had several comments on the high polish stock at a local clay shoot. Please don’t stop bring us content like this.
It brings heritage, beauty, style, craftsmanship, art and excellence to the party. As does being appropriately dressed for the occasion. Yes, the birds would come down if we used a rusty Baikal while attired in a boiler suit, but it ain't the same.
It’s a pretty under over, you can buy that here in the us for as low as $350 with all the glamorous etching you want, guess guns in the UK are just more expensive
I see the detachable trigger as a safety thing. If you need to leave your gun in the car or whatever you just take the trigger with you and the gun is worthless.
Detachable trigger is a good thing! If out shooting and your gun gets very wet (not uncommon in this country). You can strip it down that much quicker!
JC loosen those purse strings and buy some TSS and go after those high birds. 😁 On a serious note, would the removal of the detachable trigger group reduce the price a little? 🤔
Its nice to see some appreation for firearms outside of being vilified.. nice video... ive taken a look at Holland and Holland and my goodness i dont think i could ever afford one of those with out some kind of substantial income..
Eight and a half wh what the WHAT? Jaaaysus ima stick with the stalker's choice - TOZ Other than that this channel is a really nice change of pace from the White Claw drinking mag dumping riff raff from over the pond. I think I might wear a tie on my next trip to the range. Looks quite nice.
I remember pressing my nose up against the window of Powells gun shop as a kid drooling.....they were in still in Carrs lane in Birmingham back then. The buildings still there, a grand five story affair, unfortunately all boarded up and decaying the last time I saw it. It still has their name in the render work half way up. Shame....
I had a William Powell catalogue on my table when my parents came over. They remembered the owner of the store from back in the day and were surprised the company was still going, I think his son is still involved.
@@vondoom2876 Yeah, based in Banbury Oxfordshire. Interesting that their new building is called Carrs house after the road in Birmingham where they were for so long.
Adrian - me too and in later life working in the city centre I spent a lot of time in there and I’m ashamed to say I’m still wearing a Musto shooting coat I bought in there decades ago. Unfortunately the guns I bought have all been traded in. They were a quality firm with incredibly polite and helpful staff. I rarely visit that part of the city now but it is sad to see the building in such dilapidated state.
That nice, I done like there guns Cannot find them in Kent. Great video as always TGS 👍 gone back to your roots with this one. Well I must say this Johnny I watch one of your old video, last week how it changed on your channel 👏
Only available at their showroom in Banbury or at shows they attend. And it’s funny looking back on how things have changed - it was certainly easier in the olden days!
I shoot clays with a $280 Ex Georgia department of corrections Remington 870 police magnum with a 18.5 in barrel… can do a 19-20 at 5 stand on a good day I guess I’m just not a proper gentleman to understand why one has to spend 8K and then some for a shotgun that being said that is a nice shotgun
Same for watches.... you can have a $5 quartz or a Rolex, Patek or Omega. Its more than the basic function, its the joy of ownership. Knowing what's gone into a quality gun makes it special (though I don't know the manufacturing process of this one. For interest heres a nice gunsmiths video for Verney Carron th-cam.com/video/Wj1k2jMYhuc/w-d-xo.html
For those who are not familiar with Driven Shooting in the UK, here is a short synopsis of how it works.
A private estate employs gamekeepers to manage the wildlife and habitat on the land. In the summer they will either do a count of the wild population of game birds to establish a harvestable surplus or release young birds to become wilded. The conservation benefits and net-biodiversity gain that managing land for game shooting has is well documented.
On a shoot day there are 3 'teams' in simple terms.
One is called the beaters, they work in strategic lines to push these birds towards the guns. It is not easy as these birds are not tame in the slightest.
One is called the pickers up. These are dog handlers in charge of collecting the fallen birds and getting then cooled down and ready for the food chain. They will also pick up wounded birds to be dispatched. The dead game is shared between all staff at the end of the day, and any surplus is allowed to be sold to retailers of game meat. Nothing is wasted.
The last is the guns, the people shooting. They stand whilst the birds are driven towards them. It is one of the traditional ways that birds are hunted in the UK and some other countries. We do also walk solo with dogs, but this is less common. The clothes we wear are both practical and traditional. The man loading my gun is a friend and loading for someone else to increase the chance of a focused shot and clean kill is not uncommon.
If you have any other questions - let us know!
JC
Interesting... looks expensive and not something the average joe would do.
It is accessible at many levels. Hunting and shooting is fairly niche in the U.K., but me and my friends all get out for a few days of the year and we are fairly average as a demographic
Not too different than the dove drives from my youth. I can promise you, most of us barely had enough money to keep our firearms fed. Just need a few friends, and know somebody with some land.
why can't the shooters keep some birds too?
I turned 50 last Dec. I had never owned an O/u but saw a beautiful fiddleback Kofs 20. I did some investigating, saw your reviews and bought it. I couldn't be happier.👍 Great channel!
As an American this is a refreshing break from all the extreme tactical AR content. Don't get me wrong I'd never give up my American rifles for this but it would be a nice addition to get into this style of firearm appreciation and hunting.
Thinking of wearing a tie with my beat up surplus gear next time.
The operating sounds are so smooth, yet so pronounced.
Me as American, liking and also thrilled that other countries like their guns too.
To me guns are a Tool and to some others a scary thing that if you own one, you must be evil. And that's why I like videos like this. : th-cam.com/video/5IKbgO9qnLs/w-d-xo.html
@@backfromoblivion3421 m
That's why I bought a Drilling
Considering my game gun has been an unmodified Remington 870, which cost a whopping $350 USD, and with which I’ve had successful hunts for 17 years, this video had me drooling over something more….refined.
Yeah, those stoeger side by sides are pretty sweet.
Bah! I have the Remington 870 express magnum with a short and long barrel to switch between home defense and waterfowl / game hunting. It's an extremely versatile weapon, and as far as shotguns go the only one I like more is my old man's Belgium Browning 3" magnum semi-auto, with my old Ithaca double-barrel 12 gauge coming in at a close 3rd.
@@GuitarGunner i got all but the ithaca double.
Ill bet thats a sweet old gal.
A Wingmaster is seldom a plumb wrong answer.
$3,000 semi auto Benelli Carbon fiber semi auto, my friend is the proud owner but it is the most light weight light recoil 12 gage I have ever had the pleasure of handling
Very pretty gun. I can't imagine wearing a tie while hunting, but I can appreciate a proper bird gun.
Conservative British Aristocracy thing.
@@halidehelux5221 respect for game thing. Even those of us who save for an occasional driven day dress to bring a sense of occasion and tradition to the day. Even when farmers get together they will dress for the day. A woman in tweeds and with a Holland and Holland over her shoulder is smokin' hot.
@@longlowdog well yes, but a tradition driven and formed by the upper class really. and closely associated with irrespective of actual form. tweed is pretty synonymous with posh folk these days, or farmers
@@ToraKwai so you'd get rid of it and have all shooters turn up in jeans and wife beater sleeveless t-shirt? I don't shoot a lot but when I do I want to be a part of something bigger than just going out to kill stuff.
@@longlowdog I've got nothing against it, all I was doing was pointing out the connection. Do what you like really. Having said that there shouldn't be a problem with someone turning up in anything, jeans and t-shirt seem practical enough. I could understand objections to a cocktail dress but where is the issue if its functional.
As for wanting to be a part of something greater than yourself it sounds like a self justification for "just killing stuff" as you put it. Now nothing against it and I could be misinterpreting what you're trying to say so do set me straight if that's the case
Best UK Shooting related videos on TH-cam in my opinion. The videographer you work with is brilliant. Another top video lads well done 👏🏼
Sasha is the Don
I second that 👍
Best gun channel for sure but Fieldsports Britain is the best game channel
I could'nt imagine stomping through the woods carrying an 8 pound gun. Here in the US we are looking for 5-6 pounds. Very different styles of hunting.
Their hunting feels much more like a stroll, then what I’m used to over here
@@romannumeralvii4285 if your hats not getting smacked off your head by the thicket then ya ain't grouse hunting.
Yeah, I mean if you don’t stalk the animal and camp a few days, carrying all the stuff and that you can bring a heavy gun
But yeah for me that’s not hunting at all... just killing some birds for fun, still wanna do it to
I hunt PA and all my guns are on the heavier side. I carry a 9 pound Swedish mauser or 8 pound flintlock when I go for deer and an equally heavy Auto-5 for squirrels and turkey. Light guns are nice but I'd take fit and finish over weight any day.
@@FokkerAce1917 I'm talking shotguns for bird hunting. I can understand a deer gun weighing that. My 12 weighs 7.5lbs and the new 20 gauge sxs I just got weighs 6lb.
And if you can’t afford one , I highly recommend the Browning 725 Hunter or Sporting Clays which has palm swell. Remember this always it’s not the bow that matters it’s the Archer…..I have seen experienced hunters totally screw up on wild birds after being good on clays and pen raised birds it’s a big difference
The gun is beautiful but honestly Jonny the TGS cinematography and edits just get better and better, you are by far the highest calibre UK shooting channel on YT. Insane. More than happy to be a paying supporter and will continue to do so.
A gun so exquisite it comes with a personal reloader
Very nice .
I as native of Birmingham, remember William Powell in the city Center, what a beautiful premises it was , retail on first floor and workshops above , probably out work in in gun quarter to . Shame it’s all gone
I’m so lucky to live in the USA 🇺🇸 where we can still pursue wild game on millions of acres of public land.
Yes you are
In Europe as a whole there's just no wild open land left sadly. Americans, Canadians, Aussies etc don't know how good they have it
Is there much wild game hunting in the UK? I've always assumed the driven hunts like these are pen raised birds but maybe I'm wrong.
@@Alex-ol5pk That's pretty much true. Even deer stalking happens on maintained reserves as far as I know.
@@optimisticnihilist3417 wow, way different than here in the states. I live northern California and our deer herds a a lot smaller than they used to be. But there still there and we still get after em in the national Forrest every fall. Hope y'all have a good season whatever your after
Beautiful gun! Personally I think detachable triggers are pretty cool. One of my fave things about my renato gamba. cleaning and repairing is much easier by removing the trigger assembly. 🙌
spending next weekend on the rifle Range in my home state of Floridain the United States I love it when for my cousins from overseas come to America so I can show them all the fun guns that we have glad to see you guys are shooting it up over there and having fun too
This is what "Fantastic Beasts: Magical Boomsticks in 18½", the movie would have looked like. Love your channel, true eye candy.
As a long time Perazzi shooter, I love and will always have a detachable trigger for several reasons. first, they can be easily removed for routine cleaning and lubricating, especially after a wet day in the field either shooting clays or game. second, I find the leaf spring is vastly superior to coils for both lock time and maintaining lock time over time. the simplicity in keeping a fresh or newly replaced spring keeps me enjoying my guns without interruption. The prestige looks like a fine representation of a Box Lock / Drop Lock Boss / Perazzi knock off. although the drop out trigger is more expensive to produce, I believe it would be a step back to eliminate it.
The detachable trigger is a benefit if you have to leave the gun in your car because you can take the trigger plate with you rendering the gun safe and worthless to a thief.
The thief is still going to take the gun. That is what thieves do. They are not smart. If they were, they'd have jobs and not be out stealing other people's property. 🤔
@@bearded196 I agree but the gun will not be functional and he will not be able to kill with it or sell it unless he orders a replacement trigger mechanism.
I mean this is still a 4-5 grand gun. Even without the trigger mechanism, a would-be thief would still stand to make a fair bit of money from it.
@@optimisticnihilist3417 You are partly right. The price is £7495. I suspect that a replacement trigger mechanism is around £2000/£2500 possibly without engraving, only available from William Powell so not too hard for Constable Plod to check who is ordering a new trigger mechanism for a Prestige……
This gun and hunt are out of my league. But I still love to watch and dream. Great video
What a beauty of pure craftmanship. The only thing missing is a police officer that fra fra fra allo allo ghooting the sun. Love the English style of hunting.
This is does make me smile. My SxS is my dad's J.C. Higgins 12 gauge he first took to the field when I was about ten years old. We hunted for food to put on the table not for sport. It has been nearly 65 years since that gun came into the family and I do break it out for its proper use. However, the video gun is a beautiful combination of art and craft. Still a thing to make want just one more addition to my collection.
I'm intrigued but can't help notice the wood to metal fit on the action.. if I bought one would probably be the first thing I ask them to customise for me!
Shame that there is not a dealer of this gun in Houston Texas, it would sell well!
This is a really cool video and a beautiful looking shotgun but I can’t help but think of how different this is from our hunting culture in the USA. I’m not saying our style is better this is just very much the “old money” style. Our style here definitely isn’t as sophisticated.
They are worlds apart. Both have merits and way more facets and nuances that either of us would know without a 3 year cultural exchange.
@@tgsoutdoors. Very true
European game managers couldn't catch up with those in North America if they had three decades of exchange.
"Hunting" (here vs there) are almost unrelated activities when you cross the ocean.
I think doing away with the detatchable trigger would be a mistake. When staying in hotels it makes sense to leave the triggers locked in your car while your gun is locked away in your room.
Forend in car
Trigger with you
Stock and barrels in room
Why not just keep the whole gun with you?
@@gundude82 that's hard when you go down for dinner or something
@@RichardEnglander Why... What's the point in keeping everything separate in the first place
@@imaxdigital7052 its obvious really.
If the gun is in one working piece and gets knicked then there is a big problem.
If you take the bolt with you all the time to dinner etc then that makes it all safer.
If you left the stock in the car boot with a trigger lock on it, the barrels in the hotel room, and the forend in your pocket then it is much safer. You have taken reasonable precautions.
Is this not self-evident?
Something about the crisp air, a good double and lively birds over dogs. Good companions, great country. Really helps one appreciate how grand life can be.
I ordered one which was custom built for me , unfortunately it got caught up in the first lockdown and so ended up taking twelve months to deliver . Once delivered it lasted about four shots before it failed to shoot , it has been back about three times with faults , not something you expect when paying this type of money ! It now has been sorted and does shoot lovely for the sporting clays I shoot , but it is a shame I had the problems which was bitter sweet for me . A great gun now , so perhaps I was unlucky and i have taken a lot of stick from friends with much cheaper reliable guns , such is life !
How bizarre! Definitely not expected haha
In 50 years, when your kids are shooting it, they'll never know....
@@sdriza I’ve got my grandfather’s Savage .22 bolt gun from the 40s and it still shoots true, price does not equal reliability.
@@VexChoccyMilk I agree with you completely. My point was more along the lines of - once he gets it straightened out, it'll hopefully start shooting consistently and one day in the future, someone will enjoy the gun and have no idea the history. (Or, at least, one would hope!)
@@sdriza On that then we agree as well!
For £9000 it'd need to cook the fowl for dinner on top of being a great gun.
For that much I could 4 or 5 high quality rifles
The edition and photographs of this video was amazing!
As an American, the idea that "it doesn't fit me well cause its not my gun" cracks me up. Nothing here is custom fit. We all grow up shooting 500 dollar pump guns and get really good with them. I know some guys that could kill 50 birds with 50 shells on a second hand cheep $200 Remington. I can only dream of a custom fit stock, I almost don't want to be spoiled by one, I would love to have a hand fit side by side, hopefully one day I can afford it. The gun does not make a good shot, but man can it make the shooting more enjoyable.
it’s a rebranded rizzini isn’t it ?
Br460 el..
@@heberlefh1507 lovely guns all the same very aspirational to own unbelievably good value too
As an American, I always though Uk gun laws were really strict, but man do I respect how much they put into hunting, It looks so posh.
The nice thing about a detachable trigger is when travelling. It’s much easier to put a trigger in your pocket than a forend.
The shotgun is very nice but give it up to the gent at his side! The gun is never empty. Bravo
That gun is beautiful. Wish we looked this dapper hunting in the US. Love that old classic look. 10/10
While it is beautiful… Uk firearms ‘laws’ have completely destroyed firearms communities in the UK, and unnecessarily so. Gone with them is freedom too in my opinion.
No way. They look foolish. This isn't hunting either. This is dressed up slaughter
@@jhtsurvival I agree. shooting poor birds that fly overhead is not hunting in my opinion. Shooting a deer... to collect the animal to cook eat and eat it is one thing. Shooting random birds for 'sport' (not collecting them not eating them) does not really sit well with me.
@@prancer1803 I had no idea that they didn't collect them. That's ridiculous just to shoot and leave them dead on the ground.
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again They are picked up and at all the shoots I've ever attended the guns are able to take as many birds from the bag as they with the rest going to either the estate or butcher.
Yet another fantastic video, very professionally put together, great content and I must say one very tasty looking gun. Well done and keep up the good work.
👏 Thankyou
Great video as always, greetings from 🇧🇪
Just subscribed.. Love the channel. Love to be reminded that my British brothers also still hunt.
...simple effective design with a classy wood furniture and engraving. Can't get much better than that...:)
What a beauty! You should definitely be living in the states with your love of firearms :P
It has been said before
I wish American gun channels had this level of cinematography
Does this beauty come with a dedicated shot-shell installer ?
Tom is an optional extra
Cheers from America. Nice presentation, thank you.
Thanks for the video. I've shot game for over 45 years and back then, 'standard' guns had 28" barrels, some 27" or even less. I find 28" barrels 'swing' more quickly and intuitively, especially from gun down.
Each to their own but 32" barrels snap shooting partridge in a wood would be a challenge...
Nice gun BTW - side plates would finish it off and shift the weight slightly rearwards.
Waiting for the ballistics gel test and tactical review. Does it have picatinny rails for laser and flashlight?
I don't have words. Why am I moved in such a way by a darling of a shotgun? Your presentation left me feeling as though you were describing an old lifelong friendship that is steeped in intimacy and value. You gotta stop this wicked high caliber production, it's leading me astray.
British gun channel? I was not expecting it but I vary much like it.
Johnny! Great luv of the Prestige, she surely is the fancier version of a Rizzini! I like you have fallen in luv with Rizzini BR460! Yassou!
I've never been a fan of the over under shotguns but this is a very pretty and well made gun, but I can't let go of my fathers old beretta side by sides, I grew up learning to shot those and I have never had a bad hunt with them 😊
Beautiful video and you have a new sub for sure! 😁
Well atleast some of you haven't completely lost your minds on those tiny islands when it comes to appreciation of firearms.
Such great filmography, well done TGS.
Song at 0:30 Continent - Adrián Berenguer
Never try a wedding dress that you can't afford! This is a wicked gun that can make you miserable if you can't afford it? -- I don't want to hear about it!
You already did/smile . . . . . but yes!
Sounds about right. A month of baikal reviews coming right up
My baikal is undoubtedly the best gun on the planet. 😀
Rizzini regal deluxe in disguise. Except it’s 3k more.
A weekend away in Italy having your gun custom fitted for 3k less have a nice week on lake Garda with that 3k
Not a Regal Deluxe, its based off the back of a different action spec
Your Rizzini factory tour was very impressive. Which one Jon? A custom made Rizzini or the P?
What is the budget?
Would lean Rizzini. For £15k I could get a more or less custom engraved, custom built 460 that would stop you listing after anything else. Vs a black Perazzi with nice wood for the same money.
I do love a Perazzi though, you can feel the pedegree when you pick them up,
I’m lucky, I shoot an H&H and I’d never ever change but wow that thing is stunning and if ever anyone asked for a recommendation I might just suggest it
A slightly different perspective on detachable triggers is that when removed, the gun is unusable. Not a bad security measure when travelling to and from the shoot/range. Same as travelling with the bolt removed from a rifle.
How would lugging around a disabled firearm make you more secure? It’s not like a horse you need to hobble to keep it from going off! 🤷🏽♂️
Some super shots there John, what a lovely piece of kit it is.
Thankyou Gerald. It certainly captured my heart!
That bit about nice guns absolutely ruining lesser guns absolutely holds true. My experience is a little bit more limited on that front, but going from a $250-$350 pawn shop 12 gauge to a Benelli semi auto, it's an entirely different class of gun altogether. The weight, the balance, the fit and finish and feel, the way it pushes you back instead of smacking you back - there's just something about a nice gun that can't quite be properly communicated, it has to be felt. I'd love to see how one of these stacks up to a benelli, I can scarce imagine how much better a shotgun can even feel in all honesty.
Hi Peter from South Africa,how rifle bags are made,which in the best for travel and ever day hunt,be nice
goodness, those ejectors are top notch
Top-notch presentation as always, guys. "Finest gunmakers" is a really bold claim. It seems really nice, but probably not twice as nice as my F3. I must admit, it looks like it has more "soul" than my cold and mechanical shotgun. Personally, I'd rather have no engraving than one done by a machine. For eight grand, an over/under has to be almost perfect in my eyes. The competition is fierce at that price point, and the notorious P seems like an obvious choice.
That's fair point. I like the way engraving looks, currently don't own anything engraved. But yeah I suppose there is something about engraving being hand done.
I am more of a black gun guy, wood and engraving is, “yes very nice, but what does that bring to the party”. However just looking at this gun I really like it, the wood, the engraving the shape and style. With regards to your comment, “ you pick up a gun and fall in love”, well I thought I loved my side by side, but yep I got a cheap shadow from your shop, and have never shot clay or game as well with any other gun, so I know what you mean. Even had several comments on the high polish stock at a local clay shoot. Please don’t stop bring us content like this.
It brings heritage, beauty, style, craftsmanship, art and excellence to the party.
As does being appropriately dressed for the occasion. Yes, the birds would come down if we used a rusty Baikal while attired in a boiler suit, but it ain't the same.
He really had a whole other person just to load his shells for him.
It’s a pretty under over, you can buy that here in the us for as low as $350 with all the glamorous etching you want, guess guns in the UK are just more expensive
I see the detachable trigger as a safety thing. If you need to leave your gun in the car or whatever you just take the trigger with you and the gun is worthless.
Haha do you guys not realize you could buy another trigger?
Hmmm, someone to reload my gun..........never thought of that.
I would love to go on that snob tour as well!
Needs extended trigger guard and engraved forend catch to finish it off.
Keep the removal trigger mechanism
Great location and cinematography and also,clothing also good the gun is good
Great review, facts and emotion.
Having watched the Rizinni vid I think id rather go to Italy and buy a 460EL, have it fitted and spend the difference on good food and wine!
Think the Powell guns are made by rizzini any way
What's that piece of music @1.50? I've heard it somewhere on another youtube video and i find it so haunting.
It’s sustainable! Keep the removing trigger! In 100 years People will be happy with it! It has a lot of moving parts which will wear out over time..
It's...beautiful.
Detachable trigger is a good thing! If out shooting and your gun gets very wet (not uncommon in this country). You can strip it down that much quicker!
Very wholesome content.
JC loosen those purse strings and buy some TSS and go after those high birds. 😁
On a serious note, would the removal of the detachable trigger group reduce the price a little? 🤔
A slab of tss for special occasions is wise
No better than my Baikal
Theres a passage in the bible for Baikal owners COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM AND BE YE SEPARATE SAYETH THE LORD AND TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING.
Its nice to see some appreation for firearms outside of being vilified.. nice video... ive taken a look at Holland and Holland and my goodness i dont think i could ever afford one of those with out some kind of substantial income..
One has to pay attention 100% and then since because the gun doesn't fit you perfectly, which it can. I want one.
Legendary content
You got a Rode mic, Audio sounds great.
#virgovic
So much class
MIght b ethe most English video ive seen in awhile. Nice!
Eight and a half wh what the WHAT? Jaaaysus ima stick with the stalker's choice - TOZ
Other than that this channel is a really nice change of pace from the White Claw drinking mag dumping riff raff from over the pond.
I think I might wear a tie on my next trip to the range. Looks quite nice.
I remember pressing my nose up against the window of Powells gun shop as a kid drooling.....they were in still in Carrs lane in Birmingham back then. The buildings still there, a grand five story affair, unfortunately all boarded up and decaying the last time I saw it. It still has their name in the render work half way up. Shame....
Very sad indeed
William Powells are no longer William Powells any more they are they are now foreign made guns bearing the brand name.
I had a William Powell catalogue on my table when my parents came over. They remembered the owner of the store from back in the day and were surprised the company was still going, I think his son is still involved.
@@vondoom2876 Yeah, based in Banbury Oxfordshire. Interesting that their new building is called Carrs house after the road in Birmingham where they were for so long.
Adrian - me too and in later life working in the city centre I spent a lot of time in there and I’m ashamed to say I’m still wearing a Musto shooting coat I bought in there decades ago. Unfortunately the guns I bought have all been traded in. They were a quality firm with incredibly polite and helpful staff. I rarely visit that part of the city now but it is sad to see the building in such dilapidated state.
For the price of one of those you could buy a m107a1 or 4 Daniel Defense m4v7 and full battle rattle to boot
Quality TH-camr 👍
Great video, I have owned a few of those P guns and they are nice also.
They are very nice
being able to take the trigger unit away ,means that if they are kept in seperate safe's got to be more security .
Something else to go missing when the owner pass away?
- I've lost track of the number of bolt action rifle I've seen with missing bolts...
What's the difference between these and the Rizzini 460's?
That nice, I done like there guns
Cannot find them in Kent.
Great video as always TGS 👍 gone back to your roots with this one.
Well I must say this Johnny I watch one of your old video, last week how it changed on your channel 👏
Only available at their showroom in Banbury or at shows they attend.
And it’s funny looking back on how things have changed - it was certainly easier in the olden days!
@@tgsoutdoors well some time the old way are the better ways in some ways.
But hay it a fantastic channel !
Could you use this for clays? Or are there better options for the money?
Yes there is. Fishing.
Just watched this again…so what ARE your top ten guns of all time?
The real beauty was that water spaniel
We want this over the pond in the US please!
I’m sure the boys at Wm Powell could sort you out.
What do they do with the birds they shoot?
Pretty elite hunting
Awesome video Johnny lovey Gun I want one!!!!👌👏
Surprisingly lovely to shoot and very pleasant to look at
Does the ammo reload assistant come with he gun too?!
If you ask him nicely 😂
Not sure I dig the beefy forend, but a nice gun for sure!
I shoot clays with a $280 Ex Georgia department of corrections Remington 870 police magnum with a 18.5 in barrel… can do a 19-20 at 5 stand on a good day I guess I’m just not a proper gentleman to understand why one has to spend 8K and then some for a shotgun that being said that is a nice shotgun
It’s is a nice shotgun!
Guns are simple things right, a bit like cars. A basic car will get you from a to b, but a Ferrari is a Ferrari!
Choose the right tool for the job. Your gun will work but, there are better tools to use.
Same for watches.... you can have a $5 quartz or a Rolex, Patek or Omega. Its more than the basic function, its the joy of ownership.
Knowing what's gone into a quality gun makes it special (though I don't know the manufacturing process of this one.
For interest heres a nice gunsmiths video for Verney Carron
th-cam.com/video/Wj1k2jMYhuc/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the thoughts on this - intriguing. I’m looking for a hp gun around 10k gbp - how would you compare this to the Churchill Hercules
This is probably a better HP gun than the herc, although I would go with the latter for an average pheasant gun over this.