You guys are awesome! We Germans love when German-Americans celebrate our culture.❤️ (even tho some Germans won’t admit it) ~greets from Schleswig-Holstein😊
It’s absorbed into American culture now. Lots of midwesterners including myself have German last names and still have some old German foods/recipes and stuff but we almost never recognize it as German so it’s hard to distinguish. I’m learning German now but the case systems make me think I’m going to have to go to Germany to actually learn it. It’s not like a Romance language you can learn at home by yourself lol.
@@Deutscher297 You are obviously a Germaphobe (yes, i know, it's a joke!). Actually there is a lot of German-American culture celebrated throughout the United States, you just don't know where to look or are afraid of cultures other than your own. If the later is the case, you are what is known s a bigot.
Ganz ehrlich, ich finde die weisse Kleidung, die wehenden blonden Haare der Damen, und deren perfekte Haltung, absolut eine Augenweide, plus Hörgenuß!!! Solcher Art Musik, nebst Aufzug wahnsinnig schön!!!!:-) Das hat gar nichts mit Hj oder Herrenmenschentum zu tun, sondern ist eine feierliche Darbietung, für alle die das mit Herz, mögen!!!!!:-))))) Danke!
@@GP-pw5wb there's an old German saying. "Yorken Borken Forken Norken" loosely translated to "I'm old and fat. Just put me in the back so I can watch girls". Ok, I made that up, but truth can be found there ;)
I travel every year from Western Canada to NY for the Steuben Parade, lots of fun, then we go with family and friends to the Ompah Fest at Plattduestche Park on Sunday.
This group was excellent. Fine music, excellent marching, and a great deal of energy: They were playing before the parade and immediately after finishing.
@@hhds113what has Russia actually invented though? Germany and the UK have probably produced more contributions to humanity than all other countries combined, that is true.
German-American heritage was suppressed in 1917, but the soul of America is to be one nation uniting many heritages under constitutional principles. German-American heritage should be celebrated among Polish-American heritage, Punjabi-American heritage, Hmong-American heritage, (if it hadn’t been for the damned and damning triangle trade) Igbo-American heritage.
no that is not what Americans think, this is just a parade celebrating Baron Von Steuben the Prussian born General who trained and disciplined the American colonial army during the war of independence and help us win against the British en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Steuben
@@ABtheButterflyexcept this parade is full of Austro-Bavarian cultural stereotypes. Steuben was Prussian, and basically all Prussians at this time hated Austria and Bavaria. It’s extremely ironic to wear fake Tracht and play polka music at a parade named after a Prussian person.
@@yahoo463tell me, what have Australians invented besides Vegemite and Wikileaks? Exactly… You shouldn’t place all this hate on a country that already existed for over 1000 years when Australia was still in nappies. Colonial…
Germans play brilliant music. And in Germany they have brilliant musical festivals....I saw in Dusseldorf.. The Alt-Weiber Fest' and other brilliant Music Fests in Cologne and Munich. (October Fest.). Greetings from UK.
@@Marco-bf4uu Ich habe im Januar meine Ausbildung abgeschlossen und überlege in einem halben Jahr zur Bundeswehr zu gehen. Wo werden die alten Werte und Traditionen am ehesten hoch gehalten? Du hast übrigens sehr schöne Marschmusik Wiedergabelisten. Genau mein Geschmack!
Not true!! - For a certainty, you can be, absolutely, certain that The British (your ally) do it, far better! See for, yourself: th-cam.com/video/popbL1JuGqM/w-d-xo.html
They are literally german and I doubt that a Fanfarenzug exists in the US that didnt got the school corps influence. Also Pride is allowed in Germany???!!!
Yes. And if you wabt to see this as a competition than google "Fanfaronade ". Its the biggest Competition for "Fanfarenzüge" in Germany. I often bet on Strausberg bc they are pretty good (had the honor to performers with some of their members) Edit: also i recommend Neustrelitzer Fanfarenzug. They are pretty underrated tho they won a championship in the US and qualified for world championship in Singapore (i dont remember anymore)
No idea why YT threw this paritcular video my way, but the 'quality' of the comments didn't disappoint ;) At first glance it DOES seem a little overly "Aryan" but then you notice on the outsides there are brunettes etc? What I'm really annoyed at is they cut the scene 20 secs later, when an angry anti potsdam and anti prussian Bavarian threw bricks in front of their feet, and they were all steuben their toes-ies. Without that context, the "Steuben Parade" means nothing.
Not exactly a bulge. Its an Es/ B fanfare with a rotational valve. This is always the standard from wich slight modifications are made. There are still some Züge (Corps) that use the even more traditional setup of a main standard Fanfare that plays Es and a secondary B horn (like hunters used). Yet most of them use modern build es/b fanfaren.
@@Avi-rn6ei Thank you for the updated information. In the US the competition bugle was in the key of G/D and used a rotary valve in the 1960's-70's. If those horns were in the key of Es/B they were probably imported for this type of traditional marching parade unit but never had wide support here. Edit: I thought these were Americans with German heritage, but it looks like that is not the case.)
@@Avi-rn6ei I just read your other comment further down that this group is actually from Germany, marching in a New York City parade. That is very cool! Do you know the name of the marching group? I'd like to see more.
@Florin65 What he's saying is that only non-whites are allowed to celebrate their culture. Whites of European ancestry are forbidden to demonstrate pride in their heritage. I'm actually surprised this took place in NYC. I fucking live there and I didn't know this happened.
@@jackgrimaldi8685 I think you are either ignorant or maliciously spreading misinformation to create a false narrative. Descendants of European settlers in the USA have been celebrating their culture for hundreds of years. The Irish, the Italians, the Germans etc. all proudly display their heritage and culture like Saint Patricks day or Irish pubs or Italian restaurants or German beer etc. I think you just want to push yourself in the victim role so bad you are fantasizing.
Brilliant Music. In his 12 volume text 'The World at War' author Winston Churchill (who was married to an American woman) said UK and France caused WW2, not Germany and Adolf. The volume of uneducated, mindless, uninformed comments on this web page is risible.
I can see that going to that collage would be very rewarding lol. Definitely join the band as well, think of all those late nights practicing with the girls Grin
From the Prussian army. At that time they still wore swords on the lefr side and had their hands on it when marching while having the bugle in the other hand, later then in the 20s swords were mostly removed from bugle corps and instead of having the left hand down, the tradition started of having the hand on the belt buckle.
*fanfare It is bc either the person is still a rookie and cant play it yet, one sets down to loosen the lips or this piece with solo passages for different sections
@@peterg.8941 last time i travelled home from work, i did not saw 1 (i repeat: one) young german kid in the tram. You maybe think germany can survive without germans....
Uhm id want to break the news but who do you think has roots to this? Its understandable that immigrants etc dont have anything to do with this tradition. Its like saying "Wow lack of diversity in traditional chrismas" well yeah obviously muslims dont have much to do with this tradition. Aint saying there is no diversity but it makes sense that there is not a lot of it
I would like to see one of those parades. Pssst. "WE" all live here. Roots? Meh, THIS is home, whatever the race color or creed makes no difference. Put a U.S. person of African origin in Africa, and they get discriminated against. There ain't no 'Bro' with them folks.
@@Avi-rn6ei wow you can make smart ass and dumb as- comment in one sentence you can make it to dork of the week , keep going youll make dork of the month maybe . go go go smart ass hole
We Germans are showing ourselves to be super exemplary. Yes, we Germans can make music and march. And we look damn good doing it.
Tank and cars
and along came the Tachibana Orange Devils......
You are 1000% correct.
today same parade is black & turkish
GERMAN-AMERICAN Friendship.
Love the German culture
Proud to be a German/American! Guten Tag von Pennsylvania.
German/American: perfect mixture!
Greetings from Germany!❤️ We love ya‘ll!
Ich bin ein Deutches Amerikaner aus Pennsylvania also. Guten tag!
@@EmperorTechno Guten Tag! Es lebe das Deutschland!
@@bstang93 es leben die westlichen Demokratien!
You guys are awesome! We Germans love when German-Americans celebrate our culture.❤️ (even tho some Germans won’t admit it)
~greets from Schleswig-Holstein😊
I still like those japanese highschool band. The kyoto tachibana SHS Band.
There is no german-american culture
@@Deutscher297 I didn’t say so, I just said I like when people celebrate our culture lol.
It’s absorbed into American culture now. Lots of midwesterners including myself have German last names and still have some old German foods/recipes and stuff but we almost never recognize it as German so it’s hard to distinguish. I’m learning German now but the case systems make me think I’m going to have to go to Germany to actually learn it. It’s not like a Romance language you can learn at home by yourself lol.
@@Deutscher297 You are obviously a Germaphobe (yes, i know, it's a joke!). Actually there is a lot of German-American culture celebrated throughout the United States, you just don't know where to look or are afraid of cultures other than your own. If the later is the case, you are what is known s a bigot.
Ganz ehrlich, ich finde die weisse Kleidung, die wehenden blonden Haare der Damen, und deren perfekte Haltung, absolut eine Augenweide, plus Hörgenuß!!! Solcher Art Musik, nebst Aufzug wahnsinnig schön!!!!:-) Das hat gar nichts mit Hj oder Herrenmenschentum zu tun, sondern ist eine feierliche Darbietung, für alle die das mit Herz, mögen!!!!!:-))))) Danke!
They put the cute fräuleins up at the front.
Smart.
And the overweight and old ones at the back. Got to be a case for human rights lawyer.
@@GP-pw5wb there's an old German saying. "Yorken Borken Forken Norken" loosely translated to "I'm old and fat. Just put me in the back so I can watch girls". Ok, I made that up, but truth can be found there ;)
@@NotThatBob If it isn't an old saying it should be!
Normal strategy for Blietz Krieg
I travel every year from Western Canada to NY for the Steuben Parade, lots of fun, then we go with family and friends to the Ompah Fest at Plattduestche Park on Sunday.
Enjoyed watching this , it's wonderful to see heritage still being celebrated !!
Absolutely. We're not allowed to do that here anymore.
@@Just1American1966 where
We need much, much more of this.
This group was excellent. Fine music, excellent marching, and a great deal of energy: They were playing before the parade and immediately after finishing.
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Love from Germany :D
Great, and none of that poncing about you get with the other marching bands. Well done to the Germans. We love you Germany, from U.K.
Well, were Germans.. Why would you dance why playing marches.
No we bloody don't love you, not one little bit!!
@@yahoo463 what do you want roblox guy
行進時の足並みが揃って居るのは綺麗に見え、また一体感が共感出来ますね、普段の生活、仕事、家事全ての行動や行為に共感致します、ミスばかりの人生ですが動画を観ると、もう少し頑張ろうって気持ちが高まります。
One of the Thing you ought to give to the Germans is that they are pretty good inventors.
Like the high five, they invented it.🤚
So was the U.S., UK and Russia. Also China and Japan.
@@hhds113 r/whoosh
r/whooosh
@@snkhuong Woosh right back to you troll.
@@hhds113what has Russia actually invented though? Germany and the UK have probably produced more contributions to humanity than all other countries combined, that is true.
My wife and I lived there for three years right after getting married. Had a great time. In Leideneck.
German-American heritage was suppressed in 1917, but the soul of America is to be one nation uniting many heritages under constitutional principles. German-American heritage should be celebrated among Polish-American heritage, Punjabi-American heritage, Hmong-American heritage, (if it hadn’t been for the damned and damning triangle trade) Igbo-American heritage.
Beautiful, and not enough.
Glad to see celebrating their German roots is perfectly OK these days for Americans. We came a long way.
Remember this corps is 100% german
@@Avi-rn6ei doubt it. already spotted a colored kid at 0:21
@@B_B463 he was german with curly hair, we exist
@@Marco-bf4uu He doesn’t look like an ethnic German.
@@B_B463war wahrscheinlich Türke, also ja, kein Biodeutscher.
*Diese Kommentarsektion ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland*
Now the Americans think we only listen to this music
For me it is the case haha
no that is not what Americans think, this is just a parade celebrating Baron Von Steuben the Prussian born General who trained and disciplined the American colonial army during the war of independence and help us win against the British
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Steuben
@@ABtheButterflyexcept this parade is full of Austro-Bavarian cultural stereotypes. Steuben was Prussian, and basically all Prussians at this time hated Austria and Bavaria. It’s extremely ironic to wear fake Tracht and play polka music at a parade named after a Prussian person.
Germany is lost, but its nice to see, that our military traditions live on in US an Argentenian military
Beautiful girl-drummers
Most of theem at least..
Germans sure do love marching
Imagine seeing armys march. Ikr shocking
So do British and Americans. Where have you been?
Yeah mostly in other people's countries......
@@yahoo463tell me, what have Australians invented besides Vegemite and Wikileaks? Exactly…
You shouldn’t place all this hate on a country that already existed for over 1000 years when Australia was still in nappies. Colonial…
Hoffentlich: Großer Zapfenstreich!! Nicht Heute, sondern, Ausgezeichnet!! Ich liebe alles!! Vielen Dank. Great work everyone!
**me and dimitri sweat nervously**
IKR? The drums are modern, but it sounds like recycled Hitler Youth tunes you see on those black and white documentaries.
What the fricks this? The new Hitler youth on the march?
I KNOW RIGHT?! it crazy! i mean im all for celebrating MY german ancestry, but i don't go marching around the city like a verdampt Hitler-Jugend.
And Europe will sleep uneasy tonight.......
Thank god for the Russian army and Vladimir Putin
...
I wished I have some German ancestors
I give you some of mine, no problem, but only if you lay down your stupid subgun first.
Yup I’m here because of TH-cam recommendations
It may be a German-American Marching Parade, but the marching style is strictly American. And that is why I liked to have seen more.
Nobody can march as good as Germans
Watch Musikfest Hirschfeld 2013 Fanfarenzug Strausberg and find out how American this style is.
The German use Gleichschritt, which is the non-goosestep march used by every German military throughout history
Germans play brilliant music. And in Germany they have brilliant musical festivals....I saw in Dusseldorf.. The Alt-Weiber Fest' and other brilliant Music Fests in Cologne and Munich. (October Fest.). Greetings from UK.
very nice! Keep track of your roots
DEUTSCHLAND 👍
That's what we call tradition.
@Erhart von Manstein Muss man als Ausbilder haha
@Erhart von Manstein Gebirgsjager haha
Dich sieht man auch unter vielen Videos Wilhelm
@@DeutscherKaiser Guck kein Gaming oder so lieber Marschmusik lol
@@Marco-bf4uu Ich habe im Januar meine Ausbildung abgeschlossen und überlege in einem halben Jahr zur Bundeswehr zu gehen. Wo werden die alten Werte und Traditionen am ehesten hoch gehalten? Du hast übrigens sehr schöne Marschmusik Wiedergabelisten. Genau mein Geschmack!
Every time I see Germans walking in step I get nervous!
Why? Is it bc of racist stereotypes you project?
@@Avi-rn6ei Yes.
Ja....please...
Get nervous
Are you French or Polish? Probably Russian.
So does most of Europe. Still they've almost achieved the fourth Reich now via the EU.
Real German blood!!!
And now?
@@Avi-rn6ei Now what?
germany❤I love you...
Nobody knows how to march like a German. Love from America.
Yeah and this isnt even german marching style, this is french
Not true!! - For a certainty, you can be, absolutely, certain that The British (your ally) do it, far better!
See for, yourself:
th-cam.com/video/popbL1JuGqM/w-d-xo.html
@@ece5925 What the fuck what? This in normal Prussian prodsecture after the Prussian manuak
Wow, that was great! Is this parade held every year? I've never heard of it before.
Yes, the German-American Steuben Parade is held annually in NYC (Manhattan) on the third Saturday of September.
America, a place where German pride is allowed.
Are you aware that those groups taking part in this parade are German? They're fron Potsdam..
They are literally german and I doubt that a Fanfarenzug exists in the US that didnt got the school corps influence. Also Pride is allowed in Germany???!!!
Would like to know if more videos of this unit exist. If so I hope they are longer. Love this marching music.
Google for fanfarenzug potsdam
Yes. And if you wabt to see this as a competition than google "Fanfaronade ". Its the biggest Competition for "Fanfarenzüge" in Germany. I often bet on Strausberg bc they are pretty good (had the honor to performers with some of their members)
Edit: also i recommend Neustrelitzer Fanfarenzug. They are pretty underrated tho they won a championship in the US and qualified for world championship in Singapore (i dont remember anymore)
No idea why YT threw this paritcular video my way, but the 'quality' of the comments didn't disappoint ;)
At first glance it DOES seem a little overly "Aryan" but then you notice on the outsides there are brunettes etc?
What I'm really annoyed at is they cut the scene 20 secs later, when an angry anti potsdam and anti prussian Bavarian threw bricks in front of their feet, and they were all steuben their toes-ies. Without that context, the "Steuben Parade" means nothing.
We germans arent aryan tho. It was just hitler saying tjat
Yea I know, I'm just joking about what some other comments are saying ;)
@@FallNorth oh ok yea ^^
Most of the people today forget that that Prussia pionered the marching band and military marches that is widely used today.
for some reason, this video brings to my mind Poland...
Poles Look diffrent, more slavic type
@@maxkraus7063 I think you didn't get my point....xD
the Colour of Brandenburg where Potsdam lies is also red/white xD but red is on top, and the red eagle is placed in the middle...
Or Nurenburg?
Yes bc you seem to not know anything despite projecting racism on germany
sound good, look good
About as Germanic as an apple pie
Fun fact, the apple pie originated in England, with influences from France, and apples aren't native to America.
@@headhunter1945basically nothing American is actually American (despite what Yanks say).
Those are 2-valve soprano G/D bugles. A true drum and bugle corps style which was popular in the US in the 1960's. You can't buy those any more.
Not exactly a bulge. Its an Es/ B fanfare with a rotational valve. This is always the standard from wich slight modifications are made. There are still some Züge (Corps) that use the even more traditional setup of a main standard Fanfare that plays Es and a secondary B horn (like hunters used). Yet most of them use modern build es/b fanfaren.
@@Avi-rn6ei Thank you for the updated information. In the US the competition bugle was in the key of G/D and used a rotary valve in the 1960's-70's. If those horns were in the key of Es/B they were probably imported for this type of traditional marching parade unit but never had wide support here. Edit: I thought these were Americans with German heritage, but it looks like that is not the case.)
@@Avi-rn6ei I just read your other comment further down that this group is actually from Germany, marching in a New York City parade. That is very cool! Do you know the name of the marching group? I'd like to see more.
Jesus loves everyone and be safe
But not everyone loves Jesus...
But Jesus still loves them
@@meaningoflife8373 And still them don't love Jesus.
Jesus still loves everyone and love him back
Ramstein canceled their 2020 American tour. So we have to settle watching this .
10% Kids
20% fat
70% pretty woman
100% Discipline
This is some 'Man in the High Castle' stuff!
@Florin65
What he's saying is that only non-whites are allowed to celebrate their culture.
Whites of European ancestry are forbidden to demonstrate pride in their heritage.
I'm actually surprised this took place in NYC. I fucking live there and I didn't know this happened.
@Florin65 they are german tho. They are from Potsdam near Berlin
@@jackgrimaldi8685 I think you are either ignorant or maliciously spreading misinformation to create a false narrative. Descendants of European settlers in the USA have been celebrating their culture for hundreds of years. The Irish, the Italians, the Germans etc. all proudly display their heritage and culture like Saint Patricks day or Irish pubs or Italian restaurants or German beer etc. I think you just want to push yourself in the victim role so bad you are fantasizing.
There are Germans who have not been spoiled yet !
Bro bugle and fife and drum corps which are usually part of century old militias are literally seen in every smaller city and village..
Brilliant Music. In his 12 volume text 'The World at War' author Winston Churchill (who was married to an American woman) said UK and France caused WW2, not Germany and Adolf. The volume of uneducated, mindless, uninformed comments on this web page is risible.
ich bevorzuge ja immernoch Preußens Gloria xD
Und den königsdrätzer Marsch
Oh..those sweetest school days !!
I didn´t even know that we had a Fanfahrenzug -_-
Pleasant surprise for the Polish-Americsn locals
What song are they playing ?
BEAUTIFUL !!!!
In HS I played Die Fanhe Hoch and most everyone liked it. But no one caught on.
What the fuck?
Excuse me??
Bist du wahnsinnig?!
No one like, KYOTO TACHIBANA BAND.H.S.
You mean childish uncultured shit?
@@Marco-bf4uu Anime
@@ll-cm5jt Yes, so what I said.. Cringe shit over there
Why are you comparing? No one said anything.
I didnt even know this was a thing in ny
The parade yes, the corps no. The Fanfarenzug is really from Germany. Potsdam is the city right next to Berlin
What is the name of the song?
I really don’t know. Maybe someone from Germany could tell us.
Where is Ferris?
Wait for the float.
A lot of 🤥 were triggered by this video, judging by the dislikes
Germans are allways marching.....They have that tendency.
Disrespect
@@Avi-rn6ei No, history.
I can see that going to that collage would be very rewarding lol. Definitely join the band as well, think of all those late nights practicing with the girls Grin
Those are normal civilian bugle corps. Not school.
This is not a school club. These are rarly school organized. But they mostly recruit frim schools. Tho there are a lot of adults and seniors too😉
still play the trumpet with their hands on the hip, I wonder where they got that from? saw it in the movies once about 1939
From the Prussian army. At that time they still wore swords on the lefr side and had their hands on it when marching while having the bugle in the other hand, later then in the 20s swords were mostly removed from bugle corps and instead of having the left hand down, the tradition started of having the hand on the belt buckle.
Why half of them be looking like kids 😂😂😂
There are only five people actually playing bugle. The rest spent too much time playing video games to learn the music.
*fanfare
It is bc either the person is still a rookie and cant play it yet, one sets down to loosen the lips or this piece with solo passages for different sections
Nobody plays bugle here.
That's it ? There should be long long parade.
This an big Fanfarenzug formation. Normaly theyre far smaller
Anyone elses right arm kinda tired after this? Weird right
Krauts can't resist a parade.
Next, will wearing black uniforms and goose-stepping
LOL. Never let them forget.
Off to the beer hall.
so schön, han weini gmacht
OK Deutschland lebt noch!
Wieso noch? Es lebt die ganze Zeit.
Guter Witz harhar
Good joke lol
Germany is dead.
But now it is: germany must die, so that the germans have a little Chance to survive...
@@kurkkamambusu4063 are you crazy? Germany is not dead and is stronger than ever. And it will survive perfectly.
@@peterg.8941 last time i travelled home from work, i did not saw 1 (i repeat: one) young german kid in the tram.
You maybe think germany can survive without germans....
@@kurkkamambusu4063 Ok, you saw one young german and the other were old germans 😉
¡Muy bonito!
effort is shining very german
That was a short parade
Well this is only a fraction of the whole parade 😂
❤❤❤
What are these types of bands called
Fanfarenzug (lit. fanfare unit)
where are the Beer steins?
What did I just watch...?
German culture that evolved through prussian military music corps
And bugles too! How cool is that?
Beautiful german Girls blonde hairy
Can pls be more respectful
Notice one thing? The girls are almost all blondes but not the men.
It was okay, I suppose.
But I must say I like the Therion's music video version a lot more.
Based.
Oy vey, not enough diversity
Uhm id want to break the news but who do you think has roots to this? Its understandable that immigrants etc dont have anything to do with this tradition. Its like saying "Wow lack of diversity in traditional chrismas" well yeah obviously muslims dont have much to do with this tradition. Aint saying there is no diversity but it makes sense that there is not a lot of it
from center of prussia gloria
I know nothing...... i see nothing....... 😁
Missing my girlfriend
👍
Ah, caray, suena como marcha mexicana !
I would like to see one of those parades.
Pssst. "WE" all live here. Roots?
Meh, THIS is home, whatever the race color or creed makes no difference.
Put a U.S. person of African origin in Africa, and they get discriminated against. There ain't no 'Bro' with them folks.
Fuck USA!
I am gonna, I am gonna ... hnnnnnnng
Remind you of anything??
@Florin65 Germany 1930"s
@@bobhager41 how fragile do you have to be to think like that
@@geraltofganymede LOL I am watching WW2 documentaries and it reminded me a lot of the bands marching in Germany in the 30's
@@bobhager41 you need to watch non white bands then, all of them are like it but without pretty girls, try Indian army marches.
@@geraltofganymede No thanks
ya ya !
Legal
blondes blondes blondes
Yes Yes Yes
Wow you can identify hair colors. Here is your "good job" sticker
@@Avi-rn6ei wow you can make smart ass and dumb as- comment in one sentence you can make it to dork of the week , keep going youll make dork of the month maybe . go go go smart ass hole
Good looking race the Krauts -although a bit inclined to weight
They are healthy tho? And weight isnt a matter there cause we have trousers and skirts in any size. And if not you are too thin