How slow can you go in each gear? I compare three different manual cars.
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- I drive three different manual cars and demonstrate how slow each car can go in each gear on a flat and uphill. I also explain the difference between the minimum gear speed in both petrol and diesel cars. I demonstrate how you can tell how slow your car will go in each gear using the rev counter without stalling. This video should also help you judge when to change down gears.
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00:00 Intro
00:18 Minimum speeds
01:26 Diesel vs Petrol
02:52 Using the revs
03:26 Seat Leon gear speeds
07:33 Seat Leon stall
08:40 Fiat Panda gear speeds
11:13 Fiat Panda stall
11:26 Mazda MX5 gear speeds
14:24 Why some cars stall more easily
16:06 How would a diesel perform in this test
16:39 Difference with a cold engine
17:02 Outro
Gotta love the typical imitation of 'being-in-the-wrong-gear'-shaking
I set off in 4th accidentally it did that then stalled
My car actually could have set off in second if i wouln't realised and put it in 1st i let the clutch out a bit and put a few revs on and wondered why it was only creeping forward i looked down and i was in 2nd😁
@Konnor Neil no. Nobody gives a damn :)
How bad is this for your car? It often happens especially in reverse because I reverse slow…
I am starting to think that this whole channel is an advertisement campaign for Seat Leon. What an exceptional learning car.
Haha 😂 it's my 3rd SEAT so it's saying something I guess. I think the Audi A3, SEAT Leon, VW Golf and Skoda Octavia are all brilliant cars. My favourite in this sector. Only trouble is their latest versions aren't really an upgrade, I'll be sticking with this Leon for a while yet.
@@ConquerDriving Good decision. The Leon is perfectly good for years to come, especially after that one time you cleared the engine of build-up.
@@ConquerDriving Have you looked at the new Skoda Octavia?
@@ConquerDriving I am Spanish and I have a 2003 Seat Toledo 20VT it is a brilliant car, fast and reliable. It does not perform very good at this hill stall challenge though :D
I love how the seat leon has been maintained. For 168459 miles on the clock, it's going strong!!!
Brother, your video was recommended to me on the exact day I had this question. Bless you and your divine assistance.
This is great, thanks Richard. I've been driving since 2009 and have picked up a few tips from your videos. I recently brought a 1.4L 2014 Leon FR and loving it, such a good car. Sport Mode is a nice touch when I want a bit of fun! Cheers, Ben
1.2L Fiat Panda my current car passed in October glad to see in on the channel useful video 👍
Thanks a lot, Richard ❤ The demonstrations are really meaningful to me. Now, I much more understand the function mechanisms of those pedals as my feet are keeping busy on it. I realized even if I do nothing off all of the pedals, the vehicle would still function well in low pace, and it helps a lot for me to cope with the situations in variation.The mechanisms of how the vehicles operate do crucially help for driving skill on the road. 🌹
Thank you, Richard. You really are a good teacher. # All the way from South Africa.
Another fantastic how to video. Thank you Richard
Thank you Joshua!
Excellent video as usual! I drive a Honda Civic Si (2020) and noticed I can go pretty slow in 3rd gear. I haven’t “pushed” my car to struggle though so I’ll have to give the experiment a try to see if I have those same issues with my Honda.
my ND MX-5 gear stick shakes from time to time as well! that's the rawer driving sensations you used to get from older cars, nice to see that revived on cars this modern
It's because the gear stick goes directly into the gearbox. This is common in cars with longitudinally mounted engines and gearboxes. Front wheel drive cars typically have the gearbox very far from the gear stick and use cables to change gear, so the connection is weak.
There’s a pretty steep-inclined backroad behind my go-to grocery store. I’ll try this exercise. Thank you!
Thank you , another helpful video.
7/10/22
- cars normally stall ONLY when you press the brake and force the gear below its minimum speed
- no need to worry about stalling or struggling without pressing the gas in most cars (the car will just maintain the gear's minimum speed)
I will always follow ur videos bro ur a very nice teacher
Great vid as always
I'm really learning a lot from you
Thank you for this vudeo now i understand because simply explain clearly. God bless you
Mx5 has a super light flywheel! probably why it struggles a lot in low revs. Great video as always though. Greetings from New Zealand
Thank you. The ecu has more of an affect on idle control under load than the flywheel.
Thanks for the info i never knew this before
Damn those gear changes in that mazda were quick
I appreciate you adding SI units to your videos. It helps me understand even better. Thank you
1:12 Best 2021 looking face so far.
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1:11 my mood
wHy YoU aLwAyS In ThE mOoD?
I work at a country park and drive like this a lot when I'm cruisin' around the park. I can tell you that a Peugeot Partner does about 10mph in 2nd and an Isuzu D-max does about 8 ish (although it has 6 gears) if I don't use the gas. Not sure about 1st gear, but 1st gear in the truck in low range is barely 1mph :D.
4:44 Great weather for a drive.
Got to make the most of the English weather. No such thing as bad weather, only bad clothes. Actually I'll take that back, clothes won't help much in a hurricane or a tornado, but we don't really get them.
@@ConquerDriving I genuienly like cloudy weather. Oh and thanks, your videos helped me a lot. I just bought my first car couple of months ago and I've been your subscriber ever since.
Sorry, I just watched the video again and the weather was actually nice. I couldn't remember what the weather was like as I did that video 5-6 weeks ago. When you made the comment I assumed the weather was bad (as it's England) and I thought you meant nice weather sarcastically.
Could you explain what to do when you're in the "dead zone" between 1st and 2nd gear? What I mean is that you're going too slow for 2nd but potentially too fast for 1st as I've heard downshifting into 1st isn't great for the car when already moving.
I have the same problem, my first gear is really hard to change into above 5km/h, but the slowest I can go in second gear ist about 11km/h... So far I just use a lot of clutch, gas and second gear when I am in that dead zone, but that is really slow.
That's a good point, I normally put the clutch down if I'm too slow for 2nd and lift it up again once I want to accelerate. Too slow for second is normally less than 10mph so I don't consider this bad coasting. However, avoid crossing a give way line with the clutch down, although this is not always possible (starting down hill at a give way line for example) you want power available as early as possible when you enter traffic flow.
@@ConquerDriving put the clutch down and what though? ive just got a 2017 tdi golf, and lets say im going 6/7/8 mph and let the clutch up second gear, I can occasionally stall etc, but obviously if I pick 1st engine braking really jolts me etc haha
my guess would be to double clutch & match revs. that's really the only way a lot of cars would let you shift down to first regardless, and this way you're not harming any parts (if done correctly).
@@1Cee__1884 I think if you give some revs it won't stall usually. Don't know about your car specifically though. It's a bit harder with petrol than diesel in my experience. As someone else said, you could rev match to shift to 1 so you don't get engine braking but I can't do that yet.
1:12 "so anyways..." Hahahaha
Reminded me of Jeremy Clarkson's "Oh no! Anyway...!"
@@TheFullswordslord hahahaha i love Jezza!
Watching your video frm philippines
Thank you 😊
I've found diesels generally have more torque to pull away without accelerator use, but will stall more abruptly at only slightly below idle. The petrol tends to shudder and shake but will spring back to life unless you force it really low. The diesel just cuts out.
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Wow your Seat has done nearly 170k! That’s awesome. How far do you reckon you’ll go before needing a replacement? I’m sure it being a modern car will easily handle 200k+
The mileage is low compared to the hours! There is a lot of slow driving from beginners and practising reversing. I estimate I've done about 16,000 hours in it and most cars only do 2500 - 7000 hours before they're 15 - 20 years old and sent to a scrap yard. It drives as well as it did when I got it new, I've obviously replaced parts to keep it good. In my experience age affects cars more than mileage, it's 7 years old and a well maintained car can easily last 20 years. I'm not sure how long I'll have it but I have no current plans to change it. I expect to keep it at least another 3 years. Being only 7 years old it's still a modern machine and I enjoy the powerful and economical engine, it feels much faster than the numbers suggest. I also enjoy the "SEAT sound" system I paid extra for. Some of the more expensive systems I've tried aren't as good, I think it's better than the Bose system in the MX5, but it's close.
Yóo my brother thanks for the video it's helpful ☺️
Great video as always. So if understand this correctly (I'm a new driver), you can comfortably cruise at a gear's minimum speed without holding the clutch down and it will not stall?
I'm asking because I thought that if you go below 1000 revs, you have to press the clutch to prevent stalling (or does this only apply if we are braking)
Thanks for all your help
Most cars will only stall if you force it below the minimum speed with the brake. However, there are some cars that will struggle just from being off the gas and letting the revs go to low, but they give you plenty of warning before they stall and allow you time to add a bit of gas. This video may help: th-cam.com/video/golYCfvwbZQ/w-d-xo.html
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I've already made one, should be available soon.
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After watching your videos I realized that I'm so not ready for my driving exam which is in 5 days and I have only 6 hours to learn.
It may be worth moving it back, you'll save yourself the fee and someone else could use it.
in my parent’s car (2L TDI diesel seat leon) the engine management seems to force you to go above 5mph in first gear and 10mph in second gear, usually goes about 8mph in second uphill
That sounds about right.
SHOW MORE MIATA I put my 1990 in and tried this 2nd and it started banging and yarding forward over and over until I clutched it
In my car (petrol):
1 - 0-20 km
2 - 20-30 km
3 - 30-50 km
4 - 50-65km
5 - 65+
I just spoke about this ...like u read my mind
Haha, I made the video in January I think. I read your mind in the future.
can we drive in high gear and low speed (lower than range specified for that gear) for example drive in 5th gear and 20 km/hour
Could you make a video on downshifting uphill
This video may help: th-cam.com/video/GTX_A1zZIIk/w-d-xo.html
If I go at minimum speed in 2nd or 3rd, Can I press gas without any problem? I mean, stalling or forcing the engine. Great video!
Of course. You can only stall if your engine RPM is too low, and pressing the gas increases it.
Yes, pressing their gas will help prevent the engine from stalling.
My car had problems with this, but I think it's a spark plugs/misfire issue. If the engine is in a good state it shouldn't be a problem.
My problem is that when I am going quite slow in 2nd, I prefer to select 1st but that just slows the car too much and I even feel a jerk when I bring the clutch up in 1st .
First is very difficult, you have to be ultra careful with the pedals. In the Mazda and the SEAT first is actually really easy, but that's not normal. Try and use 2nd as much as possible in a more difficult car.
That's because of the way the gears are set up, to downshift to 1st you should really slow down a lot more compared to other gears, and you shouldn't use it for engine breaking
I’m a novice and my first car is a diesel and what annoys me is that, when driving in the city in between traffic lights where I usually limit myself to 45 km/h and I’m in 3rd when stopping for the traffic light and breaking it reaches 1K rpm while still going 20 km/h or so. So I am forced to either press the clutch early which feels a bit unsafe or change to 2nd while I am breaking which isn’t much better as I am half focusing on that. Is there a better way to do this in a diesel?
The cars behind you are probably like: Wtf is this guy doing?
I wouldn't do this with cars behind me, hence why I let someone pass me when I saw them approaching in the distance when I was driving the Panda.
Hi interesting watch i am a new driver and have noticed what you are describing for example when i am slowing down in second or 3rd gear and going too slow for the gear. I have noticed the engine tone will slightly change and pull me forward adding a few miles per hour the car seems to pull forward while doing so but after a second or two the vibration will stop either if i put the clutch down or speed up. The car i am driving is a Vauxhall Zafira 1.7 diesel (2011) and honestly i am still adjusting to it as a new driver . So my question is is this perfectly normal for a car to pull forward and vibrate when the car is too slow for a higher gear? Thanks
Yes that's very normal, if it happens just clutch down and use a lower gear.
Does it hurt the engine if you always do this accelerating/strolling from the lowest range of speed (at the point where there's vibration when applying gas) that the current gear can handle?
Unlikely to hurt the engine but it's not a nice way to drive. It's certainly not good to stress the engine like that though but I doubt you will notice much difference in wear. If it's an old engine then it's worse as they're not usually as reliable at low revs.
The panda isn’t as slow as you think I first thought it was having had lessons in a 2017 swift but it’s naturally aspirated just have to use higher revs and it’s quite nippy
It depends what you're used to, it's the slowest car I've driven for and while. It's quite fun at high revs though. Does yours add extra gas for you as you get moving? It's something that annoyed me about the car. I've made a video review with it, but I'm not sure if I will upload it as the reviews seem to do poorly on this channel. They seem to lower the view's of my other videos, must be something to do with the algorithm or I'm seeing a false pattern.
Did 100 mph in 3rd in a 1.7gtx Renault 5
So you take the feet out of the gas pedal, the car starts going slower but it stays moving at very low speed? What exactly causes this?
I live in Brazil, the everyday cars here just slow down until they 'die', they won't "move very slowly".
The engine has to keep spinning or it will stall. The car's computer will normally apply some power to keep it spinning.
I am always surprised when instructors in UK will require you to drive 20mph in second gear when you can see that the engine is struggling. But they wont let you to put in 3rd. I always think that if I was in my car I would cruise in third doing 20mph.
I always make my students put 3rd in around 20mph. The minimum speed for 3rd in my Kia is around 16mph so 3rd is ideal for cruising at 20mph. I think some instructors try to get home the idea of 1st=10, 2nd=20, 3rd=30 etc rather than doing what I do and what this video does and let them get a feel for what a gear can and can’t do.
@@chrishalsall188 I totally agree with you.
All cars are different, do what works best in your car and if you're teaching in my opinion teach people a method they can apply to other cars. I think using speed to change gear is poor, I have a video coming up in April which includes this method but also makes a point that I don't recommend it.
@@ConquerDriving if you driving instructor dont let me put my gear in third on 20mph (and this is the speed now I need to drive the most) then my hand is simply not trained enough to put the gear smoothly in third when I already need to do that on dual carriageway. This is what happened with me. Thanks great video.
Hey, after driving my I right leg which hurts in the arse very bad what should I do I drive a manual car?
This is normal for beginners.
hello i have a question lets say im driving the car in a rpm which is lowest for a gear to handle or lets say its close to 1000rpm, then will the fuel efficiency be dropped as compared to driving at 1500rpm??? sometimes i drive at 1100rpm lets say at 3rd gear and then think it can cause more fuel consumption and i downshift to 2nd to keep the revs lil bit higher than that. is my thinking wrong??? pls clear it. it will be highly beneficial if u can make a video on this topic and showing us graphs of fuel comsumption with rpm value. thanks.
I don’t think it matters too much as long as you’re not going below 1000, depending on the car. And also don’t stay at 3000+ or higher for very long at all. The key is staying at a good RPM whilst changing gear and whilst in gear, so it’s always comfortable and you’re making the most of your gears.
Petrol:1100/1300-2500rpm
Diesel:1000-2000rpm
In most cars
That's a very good question and is very car dependant. Generally speaking you want the rpm as low as possible for fuel economy until you feel the car start to struggle. When it struggles you used more fuel. You know when it's struggling because the engine will make a deep sound or you will be pressing the gas pedal a lot without much power. In older cars the best fuel economy was between 1500-2000rpm but with the latest engines - particularly diesels - you can run at very low rpm without hurting efficiency whilst still maintaining good oil and water pressure. Your oil pump and water pump spins with the engine, so the slower your engine speed, the slower the pumps.
Which MR2 did you have?
A face lift mk3.
i have the opposite problem, when i'm at say, 2nd gear 7 mph, without any gas, it drives fine, but as soon as i press the gas, the steering wheel shudders
That's quite normal, the engines sounds like it's struggling at low rpm with high cylinder pressures. Try pressing the gas more gently.
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Can I go slower than the minimum speed if I hold the clutch for a few seconds and let the clutch go back up without a risk of stalling? For example, when I am on the second gear and the minimum speed is 12 mph and I need to slow down just a bit for two seconds to check the road I am passing by, so I hold the clutch and the car will slow down on its own without braking to 9 mph, can I let the clutch go after this just like that?
You can push the clutch down to allow you to go slower than the gear can handle, then bring the clutch to the bite point when you need to accelerate.
@@ConquerDriving Thanks a lot for your answer!
It depends on how low ur idle is set
Most engines idle at a similar level. Most engines are between 750rpm - 900rpm once up to temperature. Gearing makes the bigger difference.
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The car I drive starts to struggle on 2nd gear it I break till 20-10 km/ph without the clutch to check the incoming cars from right. How do I prevent this without having to shift to 1st gear? Should I press the clutch while breaking to slow down?
You can put the clutch down, leave it in second gear and bring the clutch back up again when you need to accelerate.
@@ConquerDriving Thank you so much
And this thing is engine help to the driver at low RPM is it how the manufacturer deliberately makes it?
Yes, it is up to the people who setup the ecu.
I got a diesel and can take roundabouts in 3rd and it picks up almost instantly
I only need 2nd for the mini roundabouts
I've had a 1.9tdi pd 130 that was like that.
@@ConquerDriving mine is a pd its a 1.4tdi polo its actually the same engine as yours minus 1 cylinder
@@ConquerDriving what car did you have
for diesel engines, why did ypu start on 2nd gear and not 1st gear?
I recommend starting in 1st gear with both petrol and diesel engines.
Sorry I need help we have to change gears by considering speed, or speed by considering gears
Your choose your gear based on your revs. This video may help th-cam.com/video/Wrp5v8nVPHU/w-d-xo.html
Nice mazda...watch out for rust 😏.
Thanks! Yes, I know all about that, I may get some underbody rust treatment. Most the body is aluminium so that shouldn't be a problem.
Goddamn it I bought a Miata 1990 1.6 and I don’t understand ONE BIT I get absolutely ZERO recovery on hills.
I’ve got a 1.2L diesel and she hates being in 3rd anything under 20mph 😂
Also I thought diesel engines were stronger, so how come petrol engines can go up to 60mph in 2nd?🤔😅
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poor seat leon :(
It's treated very well and is well maintained, I'm sure it's a happy car.
@@ConquerDriving that s awseome :D
My car can go 20 mph in gear 5
How is that not installing?
First now
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@@ConquerDriving I don't mind playing the game to be honest 🤣
Thank you for your videos, I've just changed from diesel to petrol and these videos are helping me a lot.
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Second I'm afraid, Collyn got there just before you. Maybe next time!
It doesn’t matter, since being first isn’t gonna get you a prize.
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We're all first, just as long as you don't refresh the page! :P
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I’m soo happy manual cars are vanishing from the system.. we won’t worry about this again... automatic all the way
Nah, manuals are fun, automatic are easy. I feel there should be a variety still
Having both is the way to go 👍🏻
They will be on the road for a long while yet. They are not for everyone but many people enjoy them.
They are not going anywhere soon, in fact some manufacturers are still currently making them but with mild hybrid technology and just ditching diesel engines. Also, some others are making manual gearboxes available with fully electric cars, for driving enthusiasts who prefer manual driving. Manual all the way!